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6/16/14 MLS: what should Library and iSchools be teaching us? Hosted by @sendaulas 9pm ET

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66INALJ (Naomi House) @needalibraryjob 10m

Next week's #inaljchat is Mon 6/23 at 9pm is about non-Library jobs for Librarians last chat

before #alaac14 http://inalj.com/?page_id=63968

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42Elizabeth Dill @Liz_Librarian 11m

@needalibraryjob You've been quoted in my #Storify story "#INALJchat Twitter Chat

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46INALJ Pennsylvania @INALJ_PA 12m

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@sendaulas @NeoMediaLuddite Awesome :) #inaljchat

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38Josh Rimmer @NeoMediaLuddite 13m

@INALJ_PA @sendaulas awesome, congrats! #inaljchat

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47Stephanie Sendaula @sendaulas 13m

@INALJ_PA @NeoMediaLuddite And we'll have an INALJ celebration. #inaljchat

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@7shores will avoid pointing to one institution in particular, but so true. #inaljchat

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@NeoMediaLuddite @sendaulas haha love it, although in less than a year, I actually will be

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@NeoMediaLuddite @INALJ_PA Nope, great analogy. #inaljchat

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@INALJ_PA @sendaulas I'm always the bridesmaid and never the bride. Keep trying, you will

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41Monique K. Clark @mkclarkinva 17m

@sendaulas @7shores First thing that came to mind. #inaljchat

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@INALJ_PA Thanks Leigh! #inaljchat

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@asgoodson Belated, but thanks Aimee! #inaljchat

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@mkclarkinva @7shores Lawyers, welp. #inaljchat

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@zillermil @mkclarkinva @sendaulas @7shores I get to the interview stage, but can't get

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@zillermil @mkclarkinva @7shores Yes, so different. And every position is now extremely

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@NeoMediaLuddite It does always go by too quickly. #inaljchat

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51Liz Miller @zillermil 19m

@mkclarkinva @sendaulas @7shores Very different job market now. #inaljchat

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@sendaulas @ninatravis @needalibraryjob but everyone had someway different to handle it

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@mkclarkinva @sendaulas @7shores When I first interviewed, I got every job I interviewed

for. Now I can't even get call backs. #inaljchat

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@sendaulas @ninatravis @needalibraryjob I remember I did a group project on different

library scenarios #inaljchat

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@HollyCroft Thanks for joining us, Holly! #inaljchat

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@asgoodson @needalibraryjob @7shores It could be a whole another hour-long chat!

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@sendaulas @ninatravis @needalibraryjob I remember that class too, yes it was situation

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@sendaulas @7shores You could make a case for the market being over-flooded with all types

of degrees, not just lib science. #inaljchat

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@ninatravis @needalibraryjob I took a management course, but I think that's very situation-

based and best learned on the job. #inaljchat

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@needalibraryjob Thanks Naomi! #inaljchat

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@mkclarkinva @dschrecker @needalibraryjob Thanks everyone! #inaljchat

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35Holly Croft @HollyCroft 22m

Thanks, everyone, for a great chat and some pointers for my next two years. Congrats on the new

job, @sendaulas! #inaljchat

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42Aimee S. Goodson @asgoodson 22m

@needalibraryjob @7shores Have a feeling that discussion could go on for hours. #inaljchat

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@needalibraryjob @7shores Love this idea! #inaljchat

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@7shores Um, right now? They do. But I don't know what we can do about it? #inaljchat

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@sendaulas Thanks for a great chat! #inaljchat

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Wow, this hour flew by! Shame it ended! #inaljchat

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@continuants @asgoodson Oh, what a great idea! #inaljchat

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@7shores def a hot topic!!! #inaljchat any takers?

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@dschrecker @sendaulas @needalibraryjob Yes, thanks! #inaljchat

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Great chat @sendaulas! #inaljchat

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@INALJ_PA @zillermil @joshualaporte @needalibraryjob I did the general route for that

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68amanda brennan @continuants 24m

@asgoodson I was v grateful my program had so many digital and social media related classes,

allowed me to build my own degree. #inaljchat

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47Diane L. Schrecker @dschrecker 24m

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@zillermil @joshualaporte @needalibraryjob @sendaulas same here, I was so into being a

children's librarian but now not so much #inaljchat

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48Jules Shore @7shores 25m

#inaljchat So, when are we going to talk about schools producing too many Librarians?

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Once again thanks to Stephanie @sendaulas for hosting #inaljchat and leading this discussion!

A++ and much appreciated!

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@wawoodworth Of course! I'll get the motorcycle ready. #inaljchat

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@asgoodson I learned about text a librarian, skype a librarian, e-mail chat services etc.

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@asgoodson I love digital reference services, was so neat to see what services were available

digitially #inaljchat

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@sendaulas @wawoodworth #brooklyn #librarian #inaljchat

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61Andy Woodworth @wawoodworth 27m

@sendaulas You tell your helper monkey to answer the telegraph and ride off into the blue

sunset, of course. #inaljchat

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@needalibraryjob @joshualaporte @INALJ_PA Or which skills will be most useful to us in

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@sendaulas @zillermil although at this rate, I would take a job in either, being an unpaid

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Curious which electives people find most useful for different types of librarianship. #inaljchat

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@wawoodworth How to juggle while riding a unicycle and renewing someone's overdue books

on the phone? #inaljchat

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@sendaulas @zillermil I love the small medical library so much more, never though I would do

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@joshualaporte @needalibraryjob @INALJ_PA @sendaulas Yes, that's why I got a basic

Ref degree, didn't know where I wanted to be. #inaljchat

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@LizLieutenant @needalibraryjob Clarion was huge on theory. Scholarly... well, not that I

remember but my memory is hazy. #inaljchat

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@joshualaporte @INALJ_PA @sendaulas So true!!! #inaljchat

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Too bad a critical practicum isn't required, where you have to write an operating budget that was

less than last year. #truth #inaljchat

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46Joshua LaPorte @joshualaporte 30m

@needalibraryjob @INALJ_PA @sendaulas revisiting; the problem is, none of us know

where we'll end up after earning the degree, #inaljchat

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@sendaulas @zillermil @INALJ_PA sure would if it would ease the burden for some folks.

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@zillermil @INALJ_PA I never thought I would either. It's surprising to see what just fits you

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@nschvan Although my mentor from #NMRT was very helpful as we were both trying to get

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@mkclarkinva @zillermil @INALJ_PA That would be nice, right? #inaljchat

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@INALJ_PA @zillermil @sendaulas I worked part-time in a library and volunteered in two

other libraries. Lib school was grueling. #inaljchat

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@LizLieutenant lol! you have been heard! #inaljchat :D

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@sendaulas @INALJ_PA And it's funny cos, when younger, I never would have thought I'd

like public. I loved corporate then. #inaljchat

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@nschvan Agreed I would have loved that, it would hav been such a great resource #inaljchat

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@dschrecker @needalibraryjob @INALJ_PA I think that's helpful experience all-around

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42Nena Schvaneveldt @nschvan 32m

@INALJ_PA I like this idea as part of LIS education - it sets up mentorship as a normal part of

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@joshualaporte Guilty about being bad at numbers ... and budgeting. :) #inaljchat

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51Elizabeth Lieutenant @LizLieutenant 32m

RT x1000 “@needalibraryjob: I know many librarians wish there were more theory in classes

& MLS programs were more scholarly #inaljchat”

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@sendaulas @INALJ_PA Public. Definitely. #inaljchat

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@zillermil @sendaulas Yup I volunteered at public library and special medical library and

theres definitely pros and cons #inaljchat

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@zillermil @INALJ_PA So helpful, right? Which do you prefer? #inaljchat

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#inaljchat A4: Oh gawd, the old "I wish library school taught me X" question. (╯°□°）╯︵ ┻━

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@NeoMediaLuddite @needalibraryjob @INALJ_PA Yes, of course! #inaljchat

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@sendaulas @INALJ_PA I never would have known otherwise. #inaljchat

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@zillermil @sendaulas @INALJ_PA I wonder if there's a way to work around that? Maybe

reduced tuition for internships and such? #inaljchat

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@needalibraryjob @sendaulas @INALJ_PA for me it was different libraries. work in public

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#inaljchat A4: definitely marketing, community relations, networking. And math, so many folks

are so bad at slicing and dicing numbers

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@sendaulas @INALJ_PA But I will say I've volunteered at public and schools and it was v

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Very common for research assistants @hsifnihplod #inaljchat

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@needalibraryjob Me too. My most interesting classes were non-LIS related. #inaljchat

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@needalibraryjob @sendaulas @INALJ_PA agreed, that would be sensible! #inaljchat

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@sendaulas @INALJ_PA Yes, me too. #inaljchat

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@zillermil @INALJ_PA I've heard that too. I have conflicted feelings about that. #inaljchat

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@dschrecker Practicum was available, not requried, I volunteered at a public library #inaljchat

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@sendaulas @INALJ_PA But I do think you should know what it's really like, so on that level

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But if you work in a library or info center you should be able to opt out #inaljchat (my 7 yrs

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Ray Maxwell @hsifnihplod 35m

@needalibraryjob really? That is too bad. But who would want that job anyway! #inaljchat

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@sendaulas Yes! I was able to do a practium, but it was volunteer unpaid, experience, but it gets

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@sendaulas @INALJ_PA I've heard people complain about required internships cos they are

paying school to work somewhere. #inaljchat

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@INALJ_PA interesting. was there no practicum or in field option available? #inaljchat I spent

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A4 I like the idea of taking a few courses like #dataviz from other departments #inaljchat

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@INALJ_PA Required internships, for sure. It's surprising how many people graduated without

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@sendaulas A4. Nothing. Practical experience should be encouraged, preferably required.

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A4 We have seen job apps that say "no MLS" apply and the reasoning is that it is not as

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@nschvan sounds familiar, it's possible! #inaljchat

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@INALJ_PA Yes to all those! #inaljchat

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And maybe the opportunity like an apprenticeship to work while I was in school, something I

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@wawoodworth @needalibraryjob fantastic analogy! #inaljchat

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@NeoMediaLuddite I liked my research class, except there was always _an answer_. 1 thing I

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42Nena Schvaneveldt @nschvan 38m

@INALJ_PA was it action research? That class's title sounded exciting but it was stats.

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@mkclarkinva @topshelver They can. Great professor + boring class = still a good time.

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A4 I know that many librarians wish there were more theory classes and that MLS programs

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A4 Already said this but Information literacy, teaching in academic libraries, how to ace a library

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@sendaulas @topshelver in a good way. :-) awesome profs can make or break a class.

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@sendaulas Haha same, I started looking for it on drexel's website but couldn't find it

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@INALJ_PA I don't either. I only remember the courses vaguely by their numbers. #inaljchat

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@INALJ_PA @sendaulas heh, heh. I said same to one of my grad students a few years ago. he

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Q4: Some of you have answered this but ... what courses *should* we be taught? What do you

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@NeoMediaLuddite Resumes are like the SATs. It's a measurement of work, but not of work

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@sendaulas Haha me too, I can't even remember what it was called that's how bad it was

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@mkclarkinva @topshelver Oh, I'd love to hear more about this. #inaljchat

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@INALJ_PA I'm still trying to figure out the point of that class... #inaljchat

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@topshelver My user needs class was very interesting....#inaljchat

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@sendaulas This is where they coulda fit in information literacy classes, and how to ace a libray

interview, not math! #inaljchat

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@INALJ_PA I think I would have liked a quant course, along the lines of analytic methods.

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@sendaulas Possibly. #inaljchat

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@joshualaporte @INALJ_PA @sendaulas Can't say anything 'should' be universal- all our

experiences are true (for us) :) #inaljchat

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@sendaulas haha yes! It was terrible I hate math. #inaljchat

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@zillermil Information overload? #inaljchat

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@needalibraryjob @garvinfo @USAgov @llrx @beSpacific See?! So much easier now.

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@wawoodworth Things to put on resume. I successfully used Westlaw's KeyCite to research a

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@joshualaporte @INALJ_PA @needalibraryjob I found that to be helpful as a public

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For gov docs @zillermil I highly recommend @garvinfo @USAgov @llrx and @beSpacific

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@sendaulas Or maybe that's just my memory of it, heh. #inaljchat

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@INALJ_PA @needalibraryjob @sendaulas Disagree, I am in public services and use what I

learned as a cataloger constantly. #inaljchat

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@sendaulas Yeah and I think it's so different now. Everything was like on musty old paper

hidden away in a dark room. #inaljchat

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A3 The only math I have done as a librarian was budgets, so not useful to me at all #inaljchat

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@INALJ_PA THEY STILL HAVE IT AND IT'S STILL AWFUL. #inaljchat

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45Michael Rodriguez @topshelver 46m

A3 Assessing Information Needs. Conforming behavior to models, then debating the models.

Fascinating? Yes. Useful? We'll see. #inaljchat

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A3 I can't remember the name of it at Drexel, but I had a math class, it was like statistics,

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Q3 I like creating your own degree out of the courses and having few required ones- I like the

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@zillermil I took that too. I actually liked it, but of course I never used anything I learned in

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@wawoodworth I learned that cataloging and building databases aren't my forte. #inaljchat

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A3. I took a Gov Docs class, which I thought wld be super useful. Instead super confusing.

SUPER. CONFUSING. #inaljchat

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@needalibraryjob oops Q3 #inaljchat

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@INALJ_PA Me too. Me. Too. #inaljchat

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A3 I can honestly say while some weren't favorites (again w the cataloging) all were

fundamentally useful. #inaljchat

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#inaljchat A3: All courses were helpful, even if it just demonstrated what you never wanted to

do EVER. :P #buildscharacter #uhhuh

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Q4 I took Children's Lit ...but don't use what I learned so it is easy to forget #inaljchat

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@sendaulas A3. My coding class. I already knew some coding thru years of livejournaling. You

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@INALJ_PA I try not to think about it. :) #inaljchat

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Very pleased with my CUA experience. Great courses/profs, and emphasis on service, ethics,

and scholarship. And project mgmt. #inaljchat

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A3 Now I actually on Drexel's website trying to remember the names of these classes #inaljchat

I've been outta school way to long :(

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44Whitni Watkins @NimbleLibrarian 49m

A3 for me it was as useful as the effort I put into it. Overall all my course I took @sjsuslis I am

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@NeoMediaLuddite @hsifnihplod Totally true. If there's one thing libraries need, it's better

marketing. #inaljchat

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@topshelver yes! and lets not forget LibGuides (migration time) & all the widgets we develop.

:-) #inaljchat

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@zillermil @hsifnihplod some libraries I have seen, literally have no signs showcasing their

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#inaljchat A2: My reference class. Great instructor. Dr Ishmael Doku.

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@dschrecker nice!!! INALJ and KhanMoving (my sites) are both WordPress so basic html

helped :) #inaljchat

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Q3: On the other hand, what course/courses were the least helpful and why? #inaljchat

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60John Fink @adr 52m

@DerangeDescribe yeah I'm reading it and not being too super thrilled. #inaljchat often gets

me down though.

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@INALJ_PA @topshelver Yep, the old 'how can I get experience if no one will give me

experience'? #inaljchat

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@needalibraryjob hah! guess it worked. :-) I still have all my HTML course handouts. built 1st

IRC web site w simple code. #inaljchat

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@zillermil Yes. Marketing for libraries/ information centers. Basically, notforprofit marketing,

but with a project mgmt slant. #inaljchat

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@zillermil @hsifnihplod It is amazing how many lib directors don't think about this aspect -

marketing. #inaljchat 1/2

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One thing I want to add is many MLS students already work in libraries so they have foundations

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@NeoMediaLuddite Instruction experience is so impt. #inaljchat

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A2 Also, a class teaching HTML/CSS. So helpful, even if you're just tweaking the CSS of a

Drupal or WordPress site. #inaljchat

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A2 Human Information Behavior -it is no wonder that I remember all the fights I got into with

classmates so well :) #inaljchat #onlineMLIS

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it was very useful in public library (children's librarian) and academic library (resource center &

juvenile collection) 2/2 #inaljchat

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@INALJ_PA @topshelver I wish Drexel taught that too. Not enough emphasis on instruction,

IMO. #inaljchat

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Students without instruction experience are in a disadvantage situation on the job market if you

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@hsifnihplod Marketing should be a required course! (And jumping ahead of myself question-

wise.) #inaljchat

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@topshelver Part 2 and I can't seem to get hired in academic because I don't have the experience

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We should all give a shout out to our fav profs too! #inaljchat

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collection development comments are great. we built a new collect from scratch for assignments.

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@hsifnihplod Marketing? For libraries? That sounds really interesting. and... impt. #inaljchat

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@NeoMediaLuddite @mkclarkinva It really, really should. #inaljchat

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@sendaulas Also, my humanities reference, collection mgmt and academic seminar classes.

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@topshelver I really wish they offered that at Drexel, I really wanted to learn how to teach in

academic libraries #inaljchat

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A2 #inaljchat @dschrecker after grades were in I told my HTML prof my dirty little secret - I

had used Craigslist's html cheat sheet :)

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@zillermil Whoops, I mean A2. Der. #inaljchat

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Q2. Learning to code was super useful. Now it's so easy for basic stuff, but we had to hand code

everything. #inaljchat

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@needalibraryjob Aw, I love that! #inaljchat

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A2 Library/information literacy instruction. Vital in academia and gaining importance in public

libraries too. #inaljchat

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@mkclarkinva @sendaulas wish I would have taken this course. Instruction class should be a

mandatory course for matriculation. #inaljchat

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#inaljchat my favorite courses have been Marketing, Info Literacy, and Info Architecture.

Slightly off the beaten path...

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A2 LOL. I had a single technology class. we learned basic HTML building web sites. it

continues to be useful on a daily basis. #inaljchat

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@mkclarkinva That's so good to hear! #inaljchat

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44Whitni Watkins @NimbleLibrarian 58m

@sendaulas @needalibraryjob A2 reference services and information management. #inaljchat

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A2 Also my grant writing class, because I was able to use my outline for the class to actually

write a grant for my job #inaljchat

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A2 #inaljchat I found that it was the faculty and people, not specific classes I learned the most

from (Ross, Lilia and GraceAnne) <3

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@NeoMediaLuddite Couldn't agree more. Seriously. #inaljchat

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@mkclarkinva True that. #inaljchat

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@sendaulas A2. My user instruction class. I teach info lit and having a foundation was SO

beneficial and the prof was great! #inaljchat

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A2 I actually do collection development on the job. #inaljchat

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@zillermil @needalibraryjob All the time. People have a very limited view of our field.

#inaljchat

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48Jules Shore @7shores 59m

#inaljchat A2 I'm firmly in the 'require cataloging' corner. It is a building block of libraries.

Everyone should understand the code.

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35Holly Croft @HollyCroft 59m

Same here, @asgoodson! #inaljchat

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@sendaulas Not going to lie, rolling from quarter to quarter, it made retention of material

somewhat difficult unless practiced. #inaljchat

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@NeoMediaLuddite When I'm subbing, I'm always so interested in collection mgmt., but I

don't get much oppty to work on it. #inaljchat

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A2 Collection Development, because it taught me how to build a collection and how to manage

it, weeding donations, budgeting. #inaljchat

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A1 Not in a Master's program yet but hope tonight's comments will help when it comes time to

choose one. #inaljchat

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47Stephanie Sendaula @sendaulas 1h

@NeoMediaLuddite @zillermil Answering Q2 - I feel collection management was my most

helpful class, but learned A LOT on the job. #inaljchat

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47Diane L. Schrecker @dschrecker 1h

@NeoMediaLuddite @joshualaporte agree. 1 class does not a cataloger make. I've done very

little, a bit of copy, none in current. #inaljchat

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51Liz Miller @zillermil 1h

@sendaulas @needalibraryjob Yes, people often surprised when I say was in consulting cos.

"Really? Didn't know that existed" #inaljchat

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38Josh Rimmer @NeoMediaLuddite 1h

@zillermil I have learned way more about collection management systems on the job than any

textbook could possibly offer. #inaljchat

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41Monique K. Clark @mkclarkinva 1h

@zillermil that's how it always is. You can only learn so much in class. #inaljchat

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Q2: What course/courses were the most helpful and why? #inaljchat

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46INALJ Pennsylvania @INALJ_PA 1h

@needalibraryjob @joshualaporte @sendaulas Mostly for the library technicians and those

who specialize in cataloging #inaljchat

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@zillermil @needalibraryjob I do too. I hate it when people assume all librarians are public

and forget others exist. #inaljchat

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@sendaulas @NeoMediaLuddite @joshualaporte following school library tract (tchr) meant

limited choices to fill requirements. #inaljchat 2/2

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TBH, I learned way more about info systems when I was a researcher in corporate libraries than

ever in a class. #inaljchat

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@NeoMediaLuddite @dschrecker @joshualaporte Yes! I felt like some of the courses were

too short to truly learn the material. #inaljchat

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@sendaulas @NeoMediaLuddite @joshualaporte the 4 were required for everyone. 'electives'

dependent on area of study. #inaljchat 1/2

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@dschrecker @joshualaporte cataloging was a requirement, but i think an 8 week (?) course is

an insufficient amount of time. #inaljchat

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@7shores I think iSchool can mean either. Drexel's is both online and on-campus. #inaljchat

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I took two cataloging classes--was not a fan. #inaljchat

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66INALJ (Naomi House) @needalibraryjob 1h

@INALJ_PA @joshualaporte @sendaulas Only for certain types of LIS jobs- didn't need it

for Ref & it isn't how my brain functions #inaljchat

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@sendaulas @needalibraryjob I think anything that can make the degree more marketable is a

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@dschrecker @NeoMediaLuddite @joshualaporte I had 6 required, wish I had more room

for electives. #inaljchat

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48Jules Shore @7shores 1h

@sendaulas I meant define ischool. To me it is an online only school, but there may be a better

or different definition. #inaljchat

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@sendaulas A1. I went to U Maryland's iSchool. I think a person know what they're getting

into, no matter the degree. #inaljchat

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FYI I did cataloging at work but never took the class- I am soooooo not a cataloger- even within

LIS there are specialties #inaljchat

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@needalibraryjob Right. I think the idea behind it is to make the degree more marketable ...

which is good. #inaljchat

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@NeoMediaLuddite @joshualaporte cataloging (1 of 4 basic info classes) was a requirement

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@joshualaporte @sendaulas Agreed! I learned so much from it and still use it in the libraries I

work in #inaljchat

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46Joshua LaPorte @joshualaporte 1h

@INALJ_PA @sendaulas it's such an essential building block of how most libraries function!

#inaljchat #cataloging

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A1 - I attended Drexel's iSchool. I often wonder if lib sci should be combined with a similar field

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@joshualaporte so much so in fact, that I am still learning this on my own through YouTube

and ALA books. #inaljchat #RDA

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2/2 so degrees using MSI/ MSIM to nonLIS employers can be seen as more marketable even if

both groups hold similar skills #inaljchat 2/2

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@sendaulas No just general Library and Info science, but I wish I did now #inaljchat

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#inaljchat I'm late, but I'll intro now. Jules from Bethesda, MD. Systems Librarian. MSLIS USF

class of 2000.

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@INALJ_PA @joshualaporte Wait, really?! I had no idea. #inaljchat

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#inaljchat A1 cont; but bigger picture thinking, part of MLS, is also important!

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@joshualaporte I took cataloging and I know alot of people dreaded it. There is a lack of

teaching the new RDA format. #inaljchat

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@sendaulas @joshualaporte It was required for me when I went #inaljchat

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@INALJ_PA Did you do the combination MLS/MSIS? #inaljchat

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@dschrecker They are, as far as I know. #inaljchat

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@joshualaporte Yeah, cataloging was an elective at Drexel and I know a lot of people didn't

take it. #inaljchat

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A1 One of my challenges in selling employers on our multi-dimentional LIS skills is they have a

narrow view of Libraries #inaljchat 1/2

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A1 I should have added from University of Pittsburgh ... #inaljchat

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@zillermil Nope, definitely not. #inaljchat

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cont. You need to make your own connections, contacts, for assignments. Cold calling through

email, or phone may be in order. #inaljchat

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@7shores MSI = Master of Science in Information. MSIM = Master of Science in Information

Management. #inaljchat

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#inaljchat A1 cont: I notice that many MLS students even avoid such basics as cataloging, a

pretty simple database architecture.

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@sendaulas Trendy or not, I don't think we're going to go back to what we had then. #inaljchat

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A1 Especially since librarian can be more of an information professional in the market

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#inaljchat AFAIK, I attended a Library school, but you may want to define your term. A1

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A1 (cont) but I think info management is such a big thing right now, super impt. #inaljchat

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@zillermil I sometimes worry that the concept of an iSchool is becoming too trendy though.

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A1 I LOVE that we are starting to see related Master's programs like MSI and MSIM as this

allows specialization #inaljchat

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A1 I did not attend a ischool (mine is an mlis). are the MIS degrees accepted as alternatives by

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A1. I loved that Drexel offers information management with the degree, I feel they go hand in

hand #inaljchat

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@joshualaporte That's what I was thinking too... #inaljchat

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I attended an ISchool on the east coast. Distance education requires commitment, and being a

motivated self-starter. #inaljchat

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I got an MLS at Rutgers in their SCILS program, but like 150 years ago, so iSchool wasn't really

a thing then. #inaljchat

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#inaljchat A1 I have neither degree, but at this time I suspect that the nuts and bolts of MSI/M

are more marketable

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A1 #inaljchat I attended a SC&I program- Rutgers MLIS and loved that it was 50% I (info) and

50% L (library) in focus! @RutgersCommInfo

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A1 I attended Drexel's ISchool #inaljchat

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@hsifnihplod I wish I could have went. The conference sounded amazing. #inaljchat

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57DerangeDescribe @DerangeDescribe 1h

Possibly relevant to your interests, tonight's #inaljchat is about what lib skls should teach.

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BTW for newbies to #inaljchat I consider this a great way to pick your brains and crowdsource

for INALJ and other things I work on #urock

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MSI = Master of Science in Information. MSIM = Master of Science in Information

Management. #inaljchat

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Q1 - Did you attend an iSchool? What are your thoughts on schools that offer an MSI or MSIM

as an alternative to an MLS? #inaljchat

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Ray Maxwell @hsifnihplod 1h

#inaljchat Had a swell time in Vancouver. Jazzed about taxonomy, comp. intelligence, and

knowledge mgmt! What is #SLafortomorrow?

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Okay, first question coming up in a minute! #inaljchat

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@NeoMediaLuddite @needalibraryjob @LibraryJournal Thanks Josh! #inaljchat

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@sendaulas @needalibraryjob @LibraryJournal congrats Stephanie! Very cool! #inaljchat

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Leigh of INALJ PA here and medical librarian in Philly #inaljchat

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@joshualaporte @needalibraryjob @LibraryJournal I consider them librarian must-haves.

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So excited for tonight's #inaljchat Be sure to follow @sendaula for the Qs!!!!

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#inaljchat @sendaulas @needalibraryjob @LibraryJournal I love cats and cheese too!

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@joshualaporte @needalibraryjob Hi Josh! Thanks for joining us. #inaljchat

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@needalibraryjob the article touches on the distance education experience, so it will be a nice

follow up to tonight's chat. #inaljchat

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@hsifnihplod I am seriously craving some ice cream, to be honest. Maybe post-chat. #inaljchat

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.@needalibraryjob @sendaulas evening all, Josh here, library assistant & manager at academic

law library in Connecticut. #inaljchat

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@Liz_Librarian I like your twitter name! #inaljchat

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@sendaulas @hsifnihplod Beware I too like cheese #inaljchat :)

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@needalibraryjob @LibraryJournal Thanks Naomi! #inaljchat

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Congrats @sendaulas !!!!! #inaljchat @LibraryJournal

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I'm Monique from Northern VA. #inaljchat

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@hsifnihplod Thanks Ray! Wish I still lived closer to CUA - great school! #inaljchat

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@poliscibrarian Welcome, Erin! #inaljchat

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@zillermil Hi Liz! So glad you could make it. #inaljchat

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And check out @NeoMediaLuddite 's article today on INALJ #inaljchat

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Hi, #inaljchat Diane, academic librarian in Ohio.

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28Erin Ackerman @poliscibrarian 1h

Hi, I'm Erin, new academic librarian. #inaljchat

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Liz from NJ, currently working as a substitute librarian in school and public libraries. #inaljchat

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35Holly Croft @HollyCroft 1h

Hi, all! I'm Holly from Georgia. :-) #inaljchat

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@NeoMediaLuddite Welcome Josh! #inaljchat Josh runs @INALJWestVA too!

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42Aimee S. Goodson @asgoodson 1h

Aimee, Library Specialist in Fort Worth. #inaljchat

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@hsifnihplod You can always study later. (Clearly, we're a bad influence.) #inaljchat

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#inaljchat I'm Stephanie, @needalibraryjob editor, former public librarian, and newly-minted

@LibraryJournal editor. I love cats and cheese.

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Ray Maxwell @hsifnihplod 1h

#inaljchat Hi! I am Ray, student at CUA. Should be studying for class tomorrow but can't resist

a good inaljchat!

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Hi everyone! Josh here from Schenectady! #inaljchat

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Naomi here- founder of #inalj and #inaljchat and http://INALJ.com :) Waving hi from New

Orleans!

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#inaljchat and remember the hashtag! :)

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Hi Everyone! Welcome to tonight's #inaljchat hosted by @sendaulas on what we think

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Feel free to join us! RT @needalibraryjob: #inaljchat in 10! Hosted by @sendaulas Details

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#inaljchat in 15! Hosted by @sendaulas Details here: http://inalj.com/?page_id=63968

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#Inaljchat on about MLS schools should be teaching starts in 30 mins! Hosted by@ sendaulas

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#inaljchat with @sendaulas starts in 50 minutes!!!!

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Tonight at 9pm ET join @sendaulas for #inaljchat All about what MLS and iSchools Should be

teaching! http://inalj.com/?page_id=63968

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RT “@needalibraryjob: #inaljchat is tomorrow!!!!”

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#inaljchat is tomorrow!!!!

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@sendaulas @needalibraryjob Not sure if an entry-level librarian job would be better than my

current position; I've worked hard to work up!

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@sendaulas My pleasure! @needalibraryjob

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Liz Miller favorited your Tweets

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Next week's #inaljchat is Mon 6/23 at 9pm is about non-Library jobs for Librarians last chat before

#alaac14 http://inalj.com/?page_id=63968


@joshualaporte @needalibraryjob A lot of my circ friends have said the same. Basically,

unsure if it's worth going into debt for.

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Josh Rimmer retweeted some Tweets you were mentioned in

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@needalibraryjob would be SO interested in a chat on MLIS folks who worked in the field before the

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Josh Rimmer favorited some Tweets you were mentioned in

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@needalibraryjob would be SO interested in a chat on MLIS folks who worked in the field before the

degree, what they think of the value

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Monique K. Clark, Jennifer Weggeman and Diane L. Schrecker retweeted you

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Next week's #inaljchat is Mon 6/23 at 9pm is about non-Library jobs for Librarians last chat before

#alaac14 http://inalj.com/?page_id=63968


@sendaulas @needalibraryjob Seems related to the too-many-librarians bit. I'm struggling

with this, no degree here, not sure of value

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Elizabeth Dill favorited your Tweet

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@joshualaporte @needalibraryjob I would too. Future chat idea?

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@needalibraryjob would be SO interested in a chat on MLIS folks who worked in the field

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@Liz_Librarian @needalibraryjob Thanks Liz!

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@needalibraryjob You've been quoted in my #Storify story "#INALJchat Twitter Chat

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@wawoodworth @needalibraryjob @adr V imp to have a balance. I'm just cranky about

libschool. I <3 the ppl but program could b SO much better

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35T. Dixon @ninatravis 3m

@INALJ_PA @sendaulas @needalibraryjob I took a youth services mngt class, but I would

like one that deals with the organization as a whole.

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@sendaulas @ninatravis @needalibraryjob but everyone had someway different to handle it

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@LizLieutenant @needalibraryjob @adr Usual answer about importance of each. Usual punt

in favor of more debate.

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@sendaulas @ninatravis @needalibraryjob I remember I did a group project on different

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Aimee S. Goodson favorited some Tweets you were mentioned in

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@asgoodson @needalibraryjob @7shores It could be a whole another hour-long chat! #inaljchat


@asgoodson @needalibraryjob @7shores It could be a whole another hour-long chat!

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@sendaulas @ninatravis @needalibraryjob I remember that class too, yes it was situation

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@ninatravis @needalibraryjob I took a management course, but I think that's very situation-

based and best learned on the job. #inaljchat

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@needalibraryjob Just saw your email and thanks for fixing the photo. It's nice not seeing a

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@needalibraryjob Thanks Naomi! #inaljchat

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@sendaulas @needalibraryjob #Management and #budgeting. I would have loved to have

learned more about #Leadership.

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@mkclarkinva @dschrecker @needalibraryjob Thanks everyone! #inaljchat

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@needalibraryjob @7shores Love this idea! #inaljchat

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Elizabeth Lieutenant favorited your Tweet

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@adr @LizLieutenant :) Glad to have your input too, John! :)


@wawoodworth @needalibraryjob I think it appeals to a lot of students, but I want to be

mentally challenged. As I told @adr I want to THINK!

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