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OPR #09029Best

Holstine: This is Sgt. Paul Holstine of the Bullhead City Police Department, Office

of Professional Responsibility and present with me is Sgt. Glenn Best.

And I understand Glenn is spelled with two AN=s@ since I got it wrong onthe notice. And we are at the Office of Professional Responsibility it is

October 15, 2009 at 9:19 A.M. and we=re here to interview on OPR

#09029. Uh...Glenn have you taken time to review the notice including

the uh... allegation and also the rules of the game?

Best: Yes.

Holstine: Okay and do you understand you specific rights and responsibilities in this

investigation?

Best: Yes.

Holstine: And do you have any questions about your specific rights in this

investigation?

Best: No sir.Holstine: Okay then sign here to acknowledge and we=ll get going with this. Just

before we start I=m going to kind of lay down a little bit of uh...

foundation. Because you and I have spoke before and there=s a lot of...

there are a lot of things that uh... obviously have transpired to lead us up to

this point. But as I mentioned before we got on tape. You and I spoke

about this I want to say a week and a half ago approximately. And I was

trying to hurry you through giving me a summary of all that all the

information that I would now like to slow down and get in a highly

detailed fashion. And as I understand it and correct me if I=m wrong.

It=s been the...the marital woes if you will of the...of Marion and Tammy

Morgan had uh...presented themselves in some manner in the work place.Going back I=m guessing several months. And at some point uh..you

became aware of this and were uh...doing some of your best doing...as a

supervisor you were addressing some of these issues is that correct?

Best Yes.

Holstine Okay so you had more than one conversation with Tammy Morgan related

to this?

Best Yeah I say direct contact with Tammy involving the alleged affair in such

I had uh...couple conversation with Marion Morgan.

Holstine: Okay. And I...we=ve touched on those like I said the other day we were

in your office and I was trying to get you to give me the quick notes

version. I was hurried and we were interrupted and I did not take notes.

And uh...so now what I want to do is...is completely find everything there

is as far as what information you can provide for the record.

Um...basically you saw the allegations in the notice. Some of these

allegations to my knowledge uh...at this point don=t really uh...wouldn=t

involve you or you might not have any knowledge about some of these

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allegations.

Best: I was aware of the first line or two but after that uh..uh..that stuff had

never been brought to my attention.

Holstine: Okay. So let me go through them here. It was my understanding from our

like I said from our brief conversation that most of what you have

information about would be the...your asking Marion Morgan aboutwhether or not his relationship with Lori Battey would have gotten him

some sort of special treatment from Lori as a dispatcher? Is that..does that

cover pretty much the line shared of what your knowledge pertains to?

Best: That what I got involved in and...just to set the foundation it was because

we had just had shift change and Marion came to my shift. And I hadn=t

had him on the previous one. And I notice that within about two or three

weeks of him being on my shift, he uh...he seemed rather withdrawn.

Holstine: Um..hmm

Best: He was not the same individual that I recognized I had a year ago on my

shift and he=s a great guy. I like him. And he was...he go out and he=d

work and everything like that and when I came...when he came back to mehere this summer he seemed like a different fellow. And he seemed very

quiet. We=d have our briefing and he wouldn=t talk , he seemed kind of

withdrawn and I noticed that he didn=t really uh...get involved in the

activities of the squad during the day. And that=s when Cpl. Otero made

a complaint to me saying uh...basically Morgan=s not doing anything.

He=s not doing any work and some of the other guys that are on the squad

have been grubbing saying that Marion seems to be taking the easy route

and you know skirting away from taking calls and being involved with the

other officers. And that=s when I concurred with him saying yeah I=ve

notice that. And when Al told me the other side of that saying now he=s

having some martial problems and he=s possibly you know dating this

uh... one dispatcher.

Holstine: And is that Lori Battey?

Best: Yes.

Holstine: To your knowledge?

Best: That =s what he uh...

Holstine: That=s what Al said?

Best: Al told me.

Holstine: Okay. So how did things progress from there?

Best: Well you know I...I recognized that he had not done a lot of work. I pulled

up his call activity in Cody. And you could see you know the other

officers that were on the squad you could see where you pull up their

activities they were doing normal amounts, and it seemed though Marion

wasn=t pulling a lot of things. He was more like second officer on scene,

or / and hadn=t done a report, and when he does reports they seemed to be

seemed like he wasn=t proof reading his stuff. Seemed like you know

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when he was writing his things he would kind of ramble in his reports and

it didn=t seem like it was proof read or he wasn=t concentrating and stuff

when I was looking at his reports.

Holstine: Now compared to his prior performance you were aware of a difference?

Best: Yes. That=s what I knew. We all have a certain feel for your squad you

know how they are. And I notice when he came to me in the summer hewas a different guy. It just seemed like he was not concentrating on his

work.

Holstine: I think that I have a Cody...a printout of some information from Cody that

is a...a list of flagged reports...

Best: Yes.

Holstine: ...and I kind of list of your reviews. And they all come back to Marion ?

Best: Yes.

Holstine: Is that does that pertain to that issue you talked about?

Best: Yes sir.

Holstine: The performance or lack there of?

Best: W ell that=s kind of jumping ahead some. But yes I had asked uh...Inoticed that a lot of his reports seemed like they..sometimes I look at them

they seemed nonsensical. It wasn=t following an order of events, it just

didn=t look like he was proof reading it and stuff.

Holstine: Okay.

Best: So...when I had ask uh...Wincentsen you know Wincentsen I ask him two

different things. I said one I heard that maybe Lori Battey garnering some

special preferential treatment to Marion Morgan do you know of that?

Could that be happening? Could you monitor that for me? I=ll take care

of Marion he=s my employee.

Holstine: Um..hmm

Best: And then I had also ask him you know in Cody I had flagged theseparticular reports yet when they go back in they get corrected and stuff

they=re just more difficult for me to find. Would you be able to do some

kind of Cody search for anything that I had flagged of his and then that=s

it right there. Anything that I had flagged the log number, the date, the

time of the call, and then any kind of comments that may of put on in the

incident review.

Holstine: Okay and you just pointed to this document I have in front of me and said,

Athat=s it right there.@ Is this the report that Barry generated for you?

Best: Yes and I had ask Barry to do it. At the time that I ask him he said that he

couldn=t do it right at that very moment. But to give him a little while

and then this came to me about a week after I written the memo to

uh...(not audible)

Holstine: All right and you told me a little bit I had jumped ahead just a bit. So I

want uh..get this established and then let you continue on because I think I

threw maybe your chronology off a little bit. Um... I=m going to label this

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document uh...flagged...flagged...flagged

Best: Flagged reports?

Holstine: ....history. (sound of writing) report. So if I have to talk to anybody else

ab out it. It will have a name and it=s two pages. ( sound of page turning)

Shows your comments the things that you ask...you ask Marion to correct

or direct him to address.Best: Yes.

Holstine: Um...that what sergeant fill out when they flag a report and uh...send it

back to the officer for corrects or additions, etc. And so now that I

interrupted your flow please go on.

Best: Well after I had spoken to Al about that sat down with Marion and he had

just cleared a call just on Central Ave. and I went there with the deliberate

intention of meeting with him. He was pulling away and I ask him to

hook up with me and we talked for a little bit about his performance and

stuff because I pushed him before casually you know let=s make some

traffic stops, go and help out some of the other guys. And this was kind of

like to re-affirm...you know what I had already told him about. And I askhim I said, did you know forty-five in the field. Some of the guys are kind

of complaining about your activity levels can you explain, what=s going

on about it? And then he basically re-affirmed what Al Otero had said the

(not audible) that he had some marriage problems with his wife. He=s got

a lot of stress. He not thinking about work so much. He knew that uh...I

ask him to do stuff like write tickets or hook up with the guys, fill out

witness statements or collect witness statements. He said he was working

towards those things. He became more and more depressed about his

possible, pending divorce or something like that. Serving her documents

and he thought about you know addition child support that he would have

to pay because he had a previous marriage or something like that. He=sgot two mortgages. He got a house in Kingman, he=s got a house here in

Bullhead. He thought all these things are crumbling down here around

him, and he just became immersed in what=s going on. And that=s why

he had been doing much. And I said, okay now that you=ve told me about

it. You know I understand how you become depressed. And he basically

agreed with all those things. He said yeah okay I=ll start trying to bring

myself around and talk more about and do more things in the work place.

So then the second part of my question to him is this. It=s not my

business but I=ve heard that maybe you=re having some kind of

relationship with one of our dispatchers and everything like that. Yes or

no? But the reason why I ask you this is because there is a suspicion that

because she=s our day shift dispatcher. She=s on the radio four to six

hours everyday. That maybe you=re getting some preferential treatment

about the uh...you know what kind of calls you=re getting and such. And

that=s what the guys are thinking and maybe you know can you tell me

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everything like that. He looked at me and said no that=s untrue. I=m not

having a relationship with her and I=m hacking my calls and doing

everything. You know whenever dispatch calls me I answer. And that=s

true he does. Every time they have called they never have to scramble

around to find him. I said okay, that=s...that=s fine. Let=s...let=s those

are some things there=s counseling effort that are available and he saidnah...counseling was horrible. That didn=t work for him.

Holstine: Okay going back to the conversation....we=re talking about a casual

conversation two squad cars pulled up to each other.

Best: Yes.

Holstine: ...in the field after a call ten forty-five...?

Best: Yeah....we were down on uh...Central Ave.

Holstine: Um...and just to...to pick apart what you just told me. Did you ever ask

him directly if he was during that conversation. Was there ever a direct

question to him whether he was involved with Lori Battey?

Best: Yes.

Holstine: Okay. You named her?Best: Yes.

Holstine: Because when you talked about her a minute ago you referred to her as a

dispatcher.

Best: Dispatcher yeah.

Holstine: Okay. So he denied in affect during that conversation having any sort of

uh....romantic involvement with Lori Battey? Is that accurate?

Best: No.

Holstine: Tell me what is accurate.

Best: W ell one...

(spoken simultaneously)

Holstine: Or he denied having he denied benefitting from it.Best: Well what I did was...when I...when I posed the question. I think it was a

two part question. There was a pause in-between and then I continued

talking and then I said you know if this is happening it=s because some of

the guys think that you may be getting preferential treatment you know

because you may be having this relationship with this dispatcher. Is that

what=s going on? And so I think it was poorly constructed type of

question. I ask him you look at it as you know a direct question. Are you

having a relationship with this girl, yes or no? Or if you are having it is

there uh...is are you getting any kind of special treatment or show

favoritism because it....I framed it as one question yeah, one response.

And that was no that=s not happening.

Holstine: Okay and what was that one question again?

Best: The one question was if you are having a relationship with this girl are

you getting any kind of special favoritism because of that? He said no

that=s not happening. That=s what I remember of that conversation.

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Holstine: So correct me if I=m wrong here based on the question being phrased in

that manner. It wasn=t really clear rather he was flatly denying any

relationship or if he was denying getting any benefit from it, being in a

relationship. You allow him some wiggle room.

Best: Yes sir.

Holstine: Okay.Best: I think what I did it was and maybe possibly my fault. I did not ask him a

direct question. Because I did not feel comfortable asking him about are

you having some kind of relationship with this girl. Don=t care about it

but the work issue. Is this coming as a you know you can get some kind

of favorable treatment and I think that maybe wording the question in such

away allowed him to have that wiggle room to answer it. And no I=m not

doing that kind of stuff. I=m doing my job.

Holstine: Okay at any point during that conversation was there before that or after

that any sort of flat denial about the relationship itself?

(Pause)

Best: No.Holstine: Okay.

Best: Cause we talked about you know after I posed that question and I was

talking to him about counseling afterwards that could be available. The

city had a counseling benefit that you can go and see you know.

Counselor with the city at no cost. And then he went off on hey I=ve

already been to counseling that was horrible, that was a really bad thing

because we both went to it. And we spent our hours in counseling and my

wife was beating me over the head with every single thing bad that I had

done in the marriage.

Holstine: Um..hmm

Best: And I didn=t even get to have my say so....I was giving him that option toknow here=s a counseling therefore, you should maybe look into. That=s

when he went into his part about what happen with his previous

counseling.

(Long pause)

Holstine:` Okay. Now this...this memo that I have that you wrote to Lt. Jerry Duke

Best: Yes.

Holstine: Dated June twenty-seventh um...there=s...this memo also addresses the

same subject. Does it address the same conversation about the subject or

were there more than one.?

Best: Well there was a second interview at the station.

Holstine: Okay. All right and before we get there is there any other or....before I

interrupt your flow to much again um...I just wanted to clarify that. So...

Best: Well we had this conversation in the field that forty-five on Central Ave.

Holstine: Um..hmm

Best: I concluded it with that about the counseling and such. After that week

there was a some schedule changes uh...

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Holstine: Um..hmm

Best: And we had some shortage on graveyard shift for a supervisor. And I=ve

been taken off my day shift and put on graveyard shift for a week. And Al

Otero had remain on day shift as the supervisor. He had already been

flopped three times. We swapped and uh... basically then I had to go a

take the next time as being a graveyard supervisor.Holstine: Who had been swapped and (not audible)

Best: Al

Holstine: I=m sorry Okay.

Best: There was a lot of times when there was no supervisor on graveyard shift

so they took Al and I think this was his third time he had already spent a

week on graveyards. When he had been on day shift. He didn=t want to

do it a fourth time and then I=m the one who got pulled and put on

graveyard shift. So I went on graveyard shift. And I think at the

conclusion of that work week Al called me at home on our days off and

uh...and then told me about apparently my little coaching in the field I

heard about doing good at work and concentrating and making sure we doour job here. And stuff was apparently a negative impact.

Holstine: How so?

Best: Well, Al talked about when Marion returned to work apparently he was

withdrawn and made some uh...grubbing statements not directly to any

individual but said, statements like you know you guys are a bunch of

back stabbers um...you know cry babies, I=ve never worked with a bunch

of idiots like this before you know this squads all shit. I can=t wait to get

out of here things like that. Those are the statement that may have taken

place in the report writing and or some thing like that.

Holstine: Um..hmm

Best: And that=s what Al said, this is what happen while you were on graveyardshift. You maybe want to take another look this.

Holstine: So you think it possible that, that was a...that was push back or that was

fallout from this conversation this...ten forty-five in the field conversation.

Best: Cause what I done you know in the field. I=ve given him a PPR at the end

of that day. You know Personal Progress Report. And that PPR that I had

given him during this contemporaneous about our conversation about what

happen. I kept it very generic. Saying you know that there=s some

problems we=re having about the performance issues, and we had some

goals that were set. About going out there and doing more work traffic

stops and maybe prisoner transports um...

Holstine: So that talk and the PPR seem to...seem to uh...maybe be the...

Best: Blew up on me...

Holstine: Do what?

Best: I think it maybe blew up on me.

Holstine: Okay.

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Best: But I used I look at it as a you know this a goal you know not like you

towards him doing these things and such...and uh....he signed it and he

was a little upset when he signed it. Because I...this was maybe some

negative impact on his on his career. I didn=t look at it like that I thought

it was a coaching type of thing and you know I do have some pressure on

me from the lieutenant to document this type things and uh..that=s whyyou know I thought a conversation like this friendly out there in the field

followed up with some written documents would be beneficial. So that=s

why I wrote it.

Holstine: Sounds like the thing to do. Um...okay what happen after that?

Best: When I returned to work and uh....Al had that conversation with me at

home and I returned to work and I think All wanted to uh...tell me saying

hey, when you come back I think you=re going to be stepping into some

issues. And this is what=s transpired over the last week. You know the

comments of uh...you know you=re a cry baby, we=re going to complain

on you, you snitch us out so I=m going to show you. I=m going to write

you up for every dirty little trick that you do. And Al had portrayed wereit became hostile. Where the officers were almost going to step outside

and do something.

Holstine: Were there any spec...spec...specific incidents, any confrontations?

Best: Not that I know of. But I thought there was something had transpired

where they initiated a conversation during the report writing and then took

it outside in the parking lot. This is what Al had told me I was not there. I

was not at the station at this time but words had been spoken between

Officer Teague and Officer Morgan.

Holstine: Right

Best: Who the snitch was and stuff. And so that=s when I had a second

um...interview you know with the squad bringing each squad member intothe office talking with them, seeing how their relationship was and what

working relationship with Officer Morgan was and then concluding the

uh...the interview with Officer Morgan.

Holstine: Okay. And then they all....and so...you had a second interview with

Morgan too?

Best: Yes. On the date of that memorandum is when I had the second interview

with him.

Holstine: Okay. Just...uh...tell me about that interview.

Best: Well we started with each squad member. Officer Mooney, Officer

Ersland, Officer Teague and uh...

Holstine: Did any of them bring up any of this confrontations during that interview?

Best: Officer Teague spoke a little bit about it. But it was...it wasn=t coming

completely out and saying there was hostilities or anything like that. He

said yeah he heard about some things about snitch, back stabber, cry

babies things like that. Uh...Mooney...Mooney told me says you know I

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get along with everyone and I like working with this squad we=re doing

good and all that kind of stuff. I heard some shit but he says but dismiss

it. He says that=s just nonsense I don=t worry about those things. Officer

Ersland uh...made comments that you know he didn=t know why the

uh...Officer Morgan had pulled away like he did. He did hear Morgan

make statements like you=re a bunch of cry babies, back stabbers and hesaid that he had even tried to go out to breakfast with Morgan at the Castle

restaurant in old Bullhead. As was there habit.

Holstine: Um..hmm

Best: And got flatly rejected. And said nah, I don=t want to hang out with any

of you cry babies or anything like that. Ersland took that kind of tough.

Cause he thought they were friends. And that what Ersland was telling me

as far as work you know was everyone doing there same amount of work.

Everyone said yeah looks like everyone=s doing okay. There was maybe

like a bunker type of mentality saying yeah we=re all doing what we need

to do. Morgan too. But yes we have spoken about cry babies things like

that.Holstine: So...how....getting on to the Morgan interview. Tell me about the Morgan

interview.

Best: Well I talked with him about it and...and uh...

Holstine: Was anyone else present when you spoke with him?

Best: Yes. Cpl. Otero.

Holstine: Okay.

Best: He was in the room. And uh... we talked a bout you know this....the

relationship and everything like that he may be having with this

dispatcher. Um....the words that were spoken to squad mates and things

like that and he generalized the conversation and he said. I thought that

was all rectified a week ago when you were on graveyard shift? And thatI made amends with the guys yeah I said that made amends and I

apologized to the guys. That was done about a week ago and we moved

on. I said well I=m the one who just came back to day shift and I was told

about it on my days off so now I have to address it. Just want to move

from there.

Holstine: Move from where?

Best: I went from did this things happen were you saying these things to the

guys and such. And was this relationship that you=re having with this

dispatcher, your productivity is still down. Um...I flagged a bunch of your

reports. Yet you took off and went to a school in Nevada on shooting.

Guns training thing. You didn=t address any of your flagged reports.

What=s going on I=m mean this is the second time that we=re dealing

with it. And you know I was telling him about flagged reports and how

these things just weren=t making sense. And a you know we got in about

this girl is it because you=re getting preferential treatment. About this

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relationship you on tape hacking calls. And he looked at me and said no.

No I=m not having that. And...because I=d also given him a second PPR

so he got really upset with me cause it=s a write up. I said no this is not a

write up it=s a coaching type of thing. I want you to concentrate on

working and you know doing your job and here. You know this stays

good. You know you=re having a horrible relationship at home with animpending divorce. You got to keep this thing here at work going.

Holstine: Okay again back to the specifics of...of the question. And what I=m

talking about again in this in this conversation you had with him. This

second conversation that pertained to his possible relationship with Lori

and or whether he was getting beneficial treatment, favoritism in fact.

What was the specifics of that conversation? How did that pan out? Okay

your memo indicates...well you...you tell me. Did he flatly deny

relationship or just flatly deny the benefits of the se possible

relationship?...or was it ambiguous?

Best: It wasn=t ambiguous. I was asking him the question you were having the

relationship with this dispatcher. He did not respond. He just looked atme. And there was an uncomfortable moment or two....

Holstine: What that was an uncomfortable silence?

Best: Yes and then I ask him the same is there because you=re having these

relationship with this dispatcher are you getting this preferential treatment

by not taking these calls? And he kind of turned the tape and he said the

PPR that I had given him, why did I do that and why is that a write up.

You know...

Holstine: He changed the subject?

Best: Yes. I think there was a combination of you know the uncomfortable

pause and the non verbal answer. Then I told him I said because this is

my suspicion this is my foundation of why I believe this and he just kindof...he look at me for the first time directly and he was talking with me

and says is this because of the PPR write up that you gave me? Is this you

know why would you do that to me. This is personal integrity about my

work. You know that I can do my work and everything like that. And he

didn=t respond to my question. He ask me a question.

Holstine: Did you ever go back to the Lori Battey relationship subject or did you

move on?

Best: We moved from that one because the way that he was sitting in his chair

he sat basically in the center between Al and I and uh...this time he was

when we got to this part of the conversation he was rocking back and forth

in his chair spinning. He had been looking at the tile floor in the office.He had been looking you know towards where all the mailboxes are. And

uh...every time that he actually really wanted to respond to me is when

I...he brought up the conversation about the PPR. And I look at that and

I=m going that=s when I thought that there were the absence of an answer

and the way that he was moving twitching and doing that kind of stuff

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inside of his chair. And then redirecting the question back to me. That=s

when I thought yeah there=s something going on here.

Holstine: Well based on your experience and training what did...what did you think

was going on?

Best: Well I believe that he was lying to me. That=s...that=s when I felt I=m

going oh...okay. We=ve come to...does he want to answer this question intwo ways. One there=s the moral issue. Am I having an affair in my

marriage that kind of stuff. That=s an uncomfortable question for anyone

to go and answer and stuff. Does he even have a reason to tell me?

Because it=s personal. But I tried to give him that foundation it=s

because you=re having an affair with this girl is it affecting your work?

Holstine: Right.

Best: That makes it my business.

Holstine: Exactly. And...and if in fact he were receiving preferential treatment you

know getting the easy calls whatever from Lori Battey as well as having a

romantic affair with her uh....would that not be your business?

Best: Yeah, yeah.Holstine: Even without the romantic affair would that not be your business?

Best: Yeah. I mean you...it was my business because I had my suspicion about

what was going on. You could pull up you can do the simple thing

yourself. You can pull up activities from day to day to day through out

week and you look at one guy and you look at the other officers and it

not just you in t he in the beat not doing anything. He=s number two,

he=s number

three guy at the scene.

Holstine: Is he...is he shushing off the calls in his own beat he=s...he=s handling

his...

Best: When dispatch calls for him he answers and he does those calls. But the

self initiated every day, the actual patrols, the traffic stops, the normal

things that the you know the officer would have though out his day you

know those weren=t happening. My...that=s what I felt and those I had

my suspicion I looked at Cody, Cpl. Otero had his suspicion about it and

that

that=s how we talked about it.

Holstine: Now, did you take any measures to try and figure out if there was truly a

link between his performance or lack of activity if you will and Lori

Battey=s role as a the person that hands out calls?

Best: Well what I did do was we concluded our interview.Holstine: Um...hmm.

Best: And I given Officer Morgan a second Personal Progress Report

specifically in nature about our conversation we had in the office about the

fighting, about the squabbling you know back stabber and everything else

like that. It was more. It wasn=t the generic one that I=d given him you

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know weeks prior to this one. It was one that was specific to the issue

than the one that he got upset about. And he signed it and everything and

left. And within about five minutes uh... Lt. Duke enter the office and ask

me simply how it go? And Cpl. Otero he had left the office when on a

potty break or whatever. And that=s when I told Jerry I said, I think there

was a meeting a part in our interview where he was being less thantruthful with me. About this relationship and getting the preferential

treatment. Because I told him this was the only time that he looked at me.

And then when he was getting my question you know that=s when he

starts spinning in the chair and he wouldn=t answer my question. And

then ask me a question about his PPR. And I said Jerry you know that to

me I thought he was lying. Al Otero comes back in from his potty break

and everything like that and he=s more emotional about it. I believe he=s

fucking lying so...Al had not heard what I told Lt. Duke. Well then Al

comes in a moment later and looks at Jerry and says he=s lying. And I

said, okay. And then Lt. Duke says Glenn write it down. Write me a

memo. So I sat there in my office and I wrote him a memo.Holstine: This is the June 27

thmemo? I=m going to go through this memo real

quick. Cause I think we pretty much (pause) covered most if not all of

this. The material in this memo. And I=m going to read through this so

there will be an uncomfortable silence.

(Long pause)

Holstine: Okay now as I=m reading this memo I want to clarify something...as I=m

reading this memo and I get to paragraph of this memo it looks like in

paragraph four your describing the beginning of the what I=m calling the

field meeting the ten forty-five, two cars pulled up to one another the first

time you brought this subject up with Marion.

Best: Yes.Holstine: And then it looks like in paragraph five you=re talking about the...the

more of the same interview?

Best: Let me take a look so I can refresh my memory. The second half of the

interview surrounded the possibility of an extra marital affair. Yes that

was paragraph four, and paragraph five both speak of the same interview.

Holstine: Okay.

Best: In...out there on Central Ave.

Holstine: Cause uh...in the uh...towards the end of paragraph five it indicates that

you...you posed this question to him. The...the combination question of

the affair, and its...him possibly getting preferential treatment from the

dispatcher. And it says, he flatly deny any relationship between him and

the dispatcher. That=s accurate?

Best: Yes.

Holstine: He admitted they did have lunch and they had visited but nothing else

further. So is he trying to tell you that there was a relationship that

uh...was just platonic?

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Best: That =s what (spoken slowly and drawn out) I was getting into and then at

this time in my mind set talking to him about the counseling.

Holstine: Um..hmm

Best: that=s when he came back and it seemed like it struck a cord with him

because he said I been counseling it wasn=t beneficial all I did was I spent

my hour sitting there in counseling with my wife beating me over the headabout every negative thing I=ve ever done.

Holstine: Right.

Best: And he said he doesn=t want to go that route. And I said okay I can

understand that but, maybe this is something just for you. Instead of you

going with your partner maybe you can go by yourself. And uh...you

know set things right in your own head.

Holstine: Okay. I going to probably continue reading through this memo for any

questions. Now before I was under the impression that uh...uh..a few

minutes ago during this first interview. That the first interview allowed

him and this is my metaphor. Allowed him wiggle room on the whole

relationship question.Best: Yes.

Holstine: He flatly deny any relationship with the dispatcher that doesn=t sound like

wiggle room. That sounds like you posed him a more pointed question

straighten me out on how this was.

Best: I ask him that question are you having this affair with this dispatcher?

Because I think that maybe you=re getting you=re getting preferential

treatment from the dispatchers on the calls. So it was two questions in one

sentence.

Holstine: Right.

Best: And I got one response.

Holstine: And that response was?Best: No.

Holstine: No. So you get no to two questions in affect?

Best: Yes.

Holstine: Okay that would be fair. Okay. All right let me continue here.

(Short pause)

Holstine: Now at that time did you have any...did you have any. First of all at that

time did you have any reason to believe that an affair between him an the

dispatcher was necessarily you business?

Best: No.

Holstine: Did you have any evidence that was inferred to you that they were having

such an affair?Best: No.

Holstine: Okay.

(Pause)

Holstine: As far as this stepping outside into the parking lot between Teague and

Marion Morgan to resolve issues in paragraph ten. Um...it indicated in

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general a lack of detail. Did you probe Teague to find out what happen

during this confrontation?

Best: I did ask him and uh...I think he was...he wasn=t really wanting to give a

lot of details about it. I think it was more between two officers saying

man hey go do your job. Type of thing and that=s what the sense that I

have from him. How we characterized this you know Ado your job@ Idon=t want to take over your calls. Well you may be butt hurt about your

marriage but I got shit to do too. That=s the sense that I was getting from

Teague and you know um...this had taken place while I was on graveyard

shift, I did not know directly what had transpired. This is when Al was

running the day shift.

Holstine: Um..hmm

Best: I didn=t feel really comfortable asking direct questions is this what really

happened? I was kind of looking at Al to ask these questions he was in

the room you know what happen between you guys while you were in the

report writing room. Did you go outside did you talk? Did you have you

know some kind of coarse language between the two of you? Al didn=task those questions.

Holstine: Okay.

Best: That =s why I was kind of using but Al had told me as a fishing type of

thing is can you get me a better answer.

Holstine: Okay. I=m going to continue on reading here.

Best: Can I get a drink of water?

Holstine: Yeah.

Best: W here=s a...

Holstine: All the way to the other end of the conference room.

Best: Is there cups.

Holstine: Yeah. There=s uh...I think I might (not audible) myself.

Best: Give me two...and I=ll bring...

Holstine: No I already got one.

(Door opening and closing)

Holstine: And it is 1007 tape still running. All the way over in the

(Long pause)

Holstine: Okay so we still got tape running in here. Unless you need a break?

Best: No I=m good. I just wanted to...

Holstine: So I=m looking through this uh...memo dated June 27th

from you to

uh...Lt. Duke. And we have covered a great deal of what=s in here.

(Long pause)(Sound of pages turning)

(Long pause)

Holstine: Now as I read through paragraph sixteen go ahead I want to clarify

something in my mind. At least so I=ll have something straight.

Best: Okay.

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Holstine: Now that paragraph the way it reads and cause of the chronologically of

you know you calling all the officers into the squad. Is that the

conversation where you addressed the Battey relationship issue to use with

Morgan the second time.

Best: Yes sir, this took place in my office.

Holstine: Okay. And this was with officer...Cpl. Otero as a witness?Best: Yes.

Holstine: Uh...

Best: This took place prior to uh...to our forty-five that we had out in the field.

Holstine: Prior to?

Best: We talked about you know that I had met with him there on Central Ave.

Weeks later...

Holstine: Weeks later?

Best: Yeah.

Holstine: Weeks after your initial forty-five with him and a PPR entry?

Best: That same day.

Holstine: Then weeks later it round number two in affect.Best: Yes on June 27

th.

Holstine: As far as you addressing the Battey relationship with him.

Best: Yes.

Holstine: Now I see in this paragraph you describe uh...some of the things that...that

also rang true with what you told me earlier about the uh...deceptive

behavior is what it sounds like to me. Um...is it this is the point and time

where you addressed the Battey issue the second time with him and he

correct me if I=m wrong. He didn=t deny the relationship at that point but

he did redirect the conversation. He did fail to give an answer and

redirected the conversation to something else?

Best: Yes sir. I had ask him. My language was more specific. Are you havingthis affair with this dispatcher. And because so you=re having preferential

treatment. He didn=t respond to that question and there was a pause delay

and then for the first time he looked back at me and then ask me the

question about the PPR the right up the negative connotation in his

personnel file about all of this.

Holstine: Um..hmm.

Best: And that=s when he was squirming in his chair. Because the previous part

of our interview he spent time looking at the tile floor, looking at the

mailboxes. In the office and such and this was the first time he looked at

me when he was asking the question.

Holstine: When he took control of the situation?Best: No he didn=t take control of the conversation. He posed a question. He

wouldn=t respond to my question that I ask. He posed the question he

said you know why is this a negative connotation and I said, the PPR is

a...is a coaching mechanism. I said buddy if you were a write up you

would of know about it. You know that=s a whole different kind of form

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it takes a whole different manifest. I said...

Holstine: So you=re telling him if I would of written you up you would of know it

because it would be uh...complaint form.

Best: Yes sir. It a difference it would be a real...this is a PPR this is what I want

you to do...

Holstine: Was he aware of the...the procedures of the whole PPR system as a as itapplies to the...the uh...performance evaluation? Was he aware of how

that process of which things get condense. And people get a to correct

their...their uh...deficiency?

Best: I don=t know sir.

Holstine: Okay.

Best: I know that at that time um...Lt. Sessions and Lt. Appleby at that time

um...it might of been even Cpt. Appleby but we did PPR=s on every

employee.

Holstine: Um..hmm

Best: Every single month.

Holstine: Right.Best: And most of the time those PPR=s are you did a good job. You know you

handled this call...

Holstine: Right.

Best: Or they do something exceptional but they=re really kind of general in

nature. This PPR was you know more specific in nature as I said.

Holstine: Well I guess my question should of been do you think in general down in

patrol that the guys are aware that just because something has a PPR entry

doesn=t mean it necessarily going to end up uh...being a negative entry on

a permanent record?

Best: I don=t know.

Holstine: You don=t know huh?Best: I think Marion should know this. He=s been around the block enough to

know that a PPR what it is...it=s a document it=s there it=s written in

black and white you know...what someone does with it there after is you

know that=s an administrative tool.

Holstine: Um...hmm...Okay let=s

Best: But he should know.

Holstine: All right. Um...we=re getting off track here a little bit. I=m going

to...I=m just going to go through the last few paragraphs of this memo and

make sure I don=t have any other questions about it.

(Long pause)Holstine: Ah...in paragraph seventeen it says I explained to Officer Morgan the

complaint / information that I had received that required my attention. I

research the issue and found that it had merit. Which issue are you talking

about were you...you research the issue and found it had merit? Was this

the confrontation between him and Teague or the uh...Battey thing.

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Best: Yes. It was the confrontation that he had with Officer Teague.

Um...that=s why Cpl. Otero called me at my home. Told me about what

had transpired while I was gone on graveyard shift.

Holstine: Um...Barr....I talked to Barry Wincentsen um...because as you know I=ve

been trying to uh...since this came forth in the form of a complaint. I=ve

been trying to back track and literally collect all of the documents to findout what=s already been done to address this thing that=s...that=s really

started out as peoples personal issues and now its has grown but one of the

things that I discovered in my queries was in addition to Barry generating

that report to you about all your flags on Marion. He said that based on

uh...based on this theory that Marion had received preferential treatment

from Lori Battey he did some research but did not um....did not document

this research in a form of a memo or a report. Um...but he said, there

simply was no information to collaborate this theory Lori was passing out

the easy calls or given you know given Marion an easy day. Was that ever

communicated to you?

Best: Well when I talked to Wincentsen about this issue. I talked to himspecifically about his dispatcher. Saying I=m not going to go and talk to

his dispatcher without Barry knowing about it. I said, this is the suspicion

that I have. Would you do me a favor would you look at you know could

this be happening between your dispatcher and my officer over your

police radio. And Barry told me oh, absolutely they=re having an affair. I

knew about that and stuff.

Holstine: Right.

Best: You didn=t know it Glenn? You fool.

Holstine: Okay did he tell you that he had disproved or collaborated... or... What

did he tell you about researching it?

Best: Well I ask him I said...I wasn=t asking for any kind of report. I ask for thereport about my incident reviews. I ask him to go and monitor the

situation between the calls that come out, the calls that are dispatch to the

officers and such. Cause I didn=t look at it from a specific angle of

what=s on Cody or what it shows...

Holstine: Right...right Your getting off track a little bit here Glenn. Did Barry ever

communicate to you what uh...his findings that...that he could not

substantiate with this favoritism theory? Did he ever communicate that to

you?

Best: Yes.

Holstine: Okay. He did communicate it to you. Okay thanks. All right.

Best: That was over the phone call. He called me back I sent that report to you

inter-office mail. And I look into it and I didn=t see any bases.

Holstine: All right. Okay let=s move on to...did you...Um...I got a memo here from

Al Otero. Did you ever...did you ever see that memo before? And this

pertains to the same stuff that...

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Best: I didn=t read it no.

Holstine: Okay. Go ahead and read through that and I=ll uh...just bounce all that off

of you.

(Long pause)

Holstine: And that=s a memo from Al Otero to Lt. Duke and what is the date on that

memo?Best: July 2

ndof 2009.

Holstine: All right.

(Long pause)

Holstine: Now I=m going to read through it and see what pops up.

Best: There =s no subject.

Holstine: Correct. This is a July 2nd

, 2009 memo. To Lt. Duke from Cpl. Al Otero.

And this just overlaps basically everything we already discuss.

Um...(pause) he has some specitificty issues of dispatch it looks like.

Um....and correct me if I=m wrong. But it looks like this might have been

some of it. (Not audible) that lead you to believe that there was substance

to the Battey / Morgan favoritism relationship. It says here I noticeduh...Officer Morgan had no activity on a certain day...

Best: Go ahead.

Holstine: ...Dispatcher Battey was dispatching for police and some calls had held for

over an hour, before being dispatched to officers other than Officer

Morgan. So yeah that sounds like uh....to me would prompt a question

Officer Morgan about the topic. Um...we=ve got the Morgan comments

after your first meeting with him down here in paragraph five. We have

the break-up between Ersland and Morgan. And...

Best: It was there habit to my understanding they had breakfast together.

Pause

Holstine: And then of course this memo ends with him discussing or himdocumenting the meetings the second rounds of meetings if you will.

Best: Yes.

Holstine: ...with the entire squad including Morgan so...

(pages turning)

(pause)

Holstine: Okay there=s really nothing in there that we haven=t already covered. I

need you to authenticate a couple of documents really quick... It look as if

you cut and pasted your PPR into an email and sent it to the lieutenant is

that correct?

Best: Yes.

Holstine: And this is an email dated 6-4-2009 from yourself to the lieutenant.Best: That would be you know the lieutenant was...he wanted to know what

was...what I was going to write on that thing. And so I cut and pasted it

sent it to him and let him take a look at it. Before I printed out and gave it

to the officer.

Holstine: And here I have a patrol supervisor inspection report on Officer Morgan

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dated 6-4-09. Now is that actually the PPR ?

Best: Let me take a look at it.

Holstine: I=ve never seen that document before. I=ve never seen that type of

document before I got that. We didn=t have those when I was in patrol

the last time. Is that the PPR ?

Best: Yes sir.Holstine: Okay. But it=s called a patrol supervisor inspection report?

Best: Yes. It probably should be renamed for a PPR or this is like a generic.

This is what its officially called by the lieutenants. There the ones who

devised this form and created it.

Holstine: Okay.

Best: But I think we just use it and call it a PPR.

Holstine: I remember hearing the phrase PPR from way back. Is this just...

Best: This was the PPR car that I had written when I was in the field on Central

Ave with Officer Morgan.

Holstine: Okay so this is a PPR from the first Morgan meeting as I=m..I=m calling

it.Best: June fourth that transpired between our first talk and our second talk.

Holstine: Okay the second page tier is also the same document or the same form but

it is a 6-26-09. It looks like I have uh...uh...do I have them both?

Best: Yes sir.

Holstine: So I have them both here...

Best: One would be the one from the field that I...and then this would be the

second PPR that I wrote. I put in date for the interview.

Holstine: All right good enough. And then here is I forget how I got this document

to tell you the truth.

Best: (Not audible)

Holstine: It=s a printout of June 2009 is that your daily ledger or something?Best: Yes.

Holstine: On who...on who...

Best: It...it I...I put that in my calendar all the time the officer called off sick or

courts.

Holstine: Is this a printout of uh...uh...of...of our Micro Soft Outlook...

Best: Yeah.

Holstine: ....thing? You printed that out?

Best: Yes. I use that on my calendar all the time. Only thing I need is a mental

tickler to put it in there.

Holstine: I use it too. I=ve never printed it out. Never knew what it look liked

printed out. Okay, so...um...now from what I interviewed. Let=s see Italked to Tammy Morgan and she indicated that at one point in this

journey that we=re talking about what I=m referring to. As tongue and

cheeky of the progression of the Morgan issues....

Best: Um ..hmm

Holstine: ...as they progressed and as the other incidents happen, other issues came

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forward. Now I know a lot of that was addressed by Lt. Sessions, but one

of the...one of the meetings that I=ve been told about was that at...and I

think we spoke about it, in your office the other day. Is this time when

Tammy Morgan and uh...Jamie Crawford uh...in my mind I want to say

cornered you in your office. But they...they uh...came to you with some

information and questions about this whole uh...Morgan related business.Tell me about that.

Best: Sure. Uh... it was at my office. They called me, actually Tammy call me

on the phone and said would you come up and see me.

Holstine: And when was this in relation to the Marion PPR=s and all that?

Best: Well this was only within the last month.

Holstine: So this was after both of the Marion...

Best: And all of this had transpired, all of this had taken place at the conclusion

of the...that second PPR that I wrote uh...Officer Morgan had a meeting

with Lt. Duke and went to another shift.

Holstine: Okay.

Best: He left my shift and when to another shift. Uh...I had Officer Clevingercome to my shift, Officer Morgan went to swing shift.

Holstine: Okay I think I may have a date out of this. First of all... did they ever...did

Jaime or Tammy ever present any memos to when...during this cause ...

Best: No in this meeting that took place. They called me. Tammy called me

and said would you come up and see me in my office.

Holstine: Uh..huh.

Best: I walked upstairs the door was closed. I opened it and Tammy Morgan

was there and Jaime Crawford was there in the office. She said come on

in close the door.

Holstine: Okay. According to her memo this meeting would of happen on 9-16 of

09. Does that sound....Best: Probably...

Holstine: Okay. I=m sorry I just wanted to establish that date and time frame is

relatively accurate. Please go on.

Best: So I walked in and they=re both looking at me and they said close the

door. I said, what=s going on? And she gave me a greeting card that she

had found. She said I found this greeting card at home or something like

that and ask me to read it. On the face of the greeting card there was

basically a love note and things like that.

Holstine: Is that a copy...is that what you saw or did you see to the actual card or

none of the above?

Best: I saw the card.Holstine: You saw an actual greeting card. But this is a copy of that?

Best: Correct.

Holstine: Okay. And this is uh...just for the tape...this is the copy of a greeting card

in which the front of the greeting card reads sexy smile, sexy talk, sexy

kisses uh...etc. etc. sorry.

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Best: So I read the card and uh...she ask me she said what do you think? And

then she put a time line of the nature of the greeting card was something

about something between Lori Battey and Marion Morgan love you that

kind of nonsense and stuff like that. And then she put a time line on that

to say that it occurred this card was made or delivered or something like

that prior to my interview that I had with Officer Morgan. Also it said, itsaid that this should prove as a bases that there was an adulteress

relationship, that it occurred prior to my second meeting that I had with

Officer Morgan.

Holstine: Right.

Best: And I said okay. I said so what do you want to do? She goes well didn=t

he lie to you about it? I said well I don=t know. My lieutenant told

specifically what to do. This is to write him a memo. And I sent it down

right away and I gave the memo that to Lt. Jerry Duke. I knew based on

the history and the ups and downs of what this two were doing this is a

progressing type of thing. And I told them I said, I told Tammy I said I

gave my memo to the lieutenant about what transpired. It is if thelieutenant wants to further this or use this then he can. But I don=t know

at what status what time he wants to do that.

Holstine: Jaime Crawford present during this meeting? Right?

Best: Yes.

Holstine: Did she uh...was she an active participant in the meeting or?

Best: She produced the memo that was addressed to Scott Gillman.

Holstine: And did she...did you read that memo?

Best: Yes.

Holstine: Okay.

Best: I perused it.

Holstine: Now I have a memo that is undated. But the subject line is informationreceived from a student. And that memo was from Officer Crawford to

Scott Gillman and the base the...the readers digest version is that

apparently months before all this started some school child came to

uh...came to uh...Officer Crawford and claimed that Marion was her aunts

boyfriend. Is that...

Best: That =s what I remember.

Holstine: Okay. So you perused that memo.

Best: I did. And I remember also a commenting there was no date to the memo

and stuff. And...I think both of them are looking at me saying, well

here=s the proof that he lied to you about having an adulteress relationship

what else do you need? I told them I said we...I wrote this memo up tolieutenant and since I knew that this was a developing issue its up to the

lieutenant as to what we=re going to do.

Holstine: Right and speaking of the developing issue part of this were you...at what

part or any...if at all did you become aware that also Lt. Sessions was

uh...triaging and dealing with some of these issues. Were you aware of

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that at that time? Yes or no?

Best: Yes sir.

Holstine: Had you been given any instructions by the lieutenants as to how to

handle this you know reoccurring and still developing personal nightmare

between the Morgans. Had they told you anything/

Best: Lt. Sessions no.Holstine: Okay. And what had Lt. Duke directed you to do in general? Had he

given you a play book as to...okay in the future when this comes up we=re

going to this?

Best: No sir.

Holstine: What I was getting from Lt. Duke was he wanted me to document what

had transpired. You know he was aware of my first interview that I had

with Marion Morgan out in the field. And that I gave him the PPR. He

was aware about you know the complaint that happen when I was on

graveyard shift and he wanted me to make sure I addressed it and had the

interviews. This is what I want you to do. You know I want you to

interview everyone. I want you to come up with it. I want you to dealwith it at your level Glenn and stuff. And write about it he says, because I

don=t want to deal with it at my level as lieutenant. I want you to deal

with it at yours. This is your work issue and stuff. So I said I understand

and that=s why I wrote up all of this things and then I gave it to him and I

said, now there might be something that happens in you know in the

future. Do we want to play this card now? Or do we want to wait for

something else to happen that=s the sense that I felt you know when I got

what I got from the lieutenant. Saying he wanted all of this documents

together.

Holstine: Um..hmm.

Best: And that=s what...that=s the way I felt from you know Lt. Duke saying hewanted all this information. And that=s why I cut and past PPR to send

them off to him is this the right kind of language.

Holstine: All right well, okay. I want...I want to get back to uh...the actual meeting

between you, Tammy Morgan, Jaime Crawford. Now so they presented

you to you...

Best: Um ...hm

Holstine: ...correct me if I=m wrong. They presented to you what they portrayed as

proof positive that you=ve been lied to. What else did they...what other

topic did they address?

Best: Yeah that=s what they spoke about you know the greeting card that they

put this time frame in there. This greeting card was recovered at her house

in some files. And she made the discover of it only like a week ago.

Something like that she found it. Then Jamie talked about she had the kid

at the school. She wrote up the memo to Sgt. Gillman. I looked at the

memo and she had a copy in her hand that she had given it to Tammy

Morgan.

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Holstine: Sure.

Best: And I said okay. And then after I left that I went and talked to Scott

Gillman. I said, Scott are you aware Jamie Morgan gave a copy of the

memorandum that she wrote to you. Is now in the possession of Tammy

Morgan. And Scott said, no I was not aware of that. That irritates me I

need to find out what=s going on. I think that memo was between thewriter and it was her memo.

Holstine: Right. Back to the meeting. Did other than this greeting card , love letter

thing and evidence that they brought you. Did they bring you anything

else to you at that point? During that meeting. Was there

Best: I remember them saying what else do you need as far as proof that he had

an adulteress relationship...

Holstine: Right.

Best: ...before I had my interview. And I said okay you have a memo...

Holstine: Right.

Best: ...that has no date on it. And I=m not disputing what you said there in

your memorandum because (not audible)Holstine: Right...I understand that we=ve covered that. Is that all that they brought

you? Did they bring you anything else ? Did they bring up any other

topics that they thought were uh...were uh...pertain? Or is it just about

what we=ve already talked about?

Best: She talked about how she been discussing this issue with Lt. Sessions.

Holstine: Um..hmm

Best: And uh.. I went around and talked to her about saying..okay apart from all

of this stuff how are you doing?

Holstine: Right.

Best: Are you doing okay? Are you staying focus on it, because she still has to

write reports everyday.Holstine: Um..hmm

Best: And uh...she has you know her reports scatter. Some days she has good

reports for me. And I read them and I read them everyday. Cause she

writes her reports and other days I get her reports and they=re horrible. I

mean I positively feel dizzy after I=ve read the report. I have to walk

around and then come back because I said apart from all these things

happening in your personal life you still have to do reports here. So let=s

stay focus. So you ended up having this counseling session with her

and...within the meeting?

Best: Yeah.

Holstine: ...with her and Jaime Crawford?Best: Yes I said stay focus here in the workplace.

Holstine: Okay. Did she mention...did she ever mention to you during this meeting

that she had already addressed some issues with Lt. Duke as well?

Best: I don=t recall Duke being brought up...she brought it up with Lt. Sessions

and she said what she was speaking with Lt. Sessions about was more on a

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emotional key...

Holstine: Right.

Best: How are you dealing with the stress going on?

Holstine: Right, right..right.

Best: ...she spoke about that and then I kind of built upon that saying how are

you doing because I knew of the reports that I get from her. Someday arefine. Other days are just horrible. And that=s how I spoke about...

Holstine: All right then that=s...that=s pretty well...established that every stage in

this game. I mean every supervisor or manager that dealt with these folks

was trying to have a sympathetic ear. And take a counseling approach

uh...so that=s not uh...I=m really not terrible interested in all of the details

with that. But what I...what I do want to nail down here is among all these

other allegations that were in the notice. Did any of this other stuff come

up? During this Sgt. Best, Tammy Morgan, and Jamie Crawford meeting.

Best: I didn=t hear about...

Holstine: Okay. It was just the...it was just the hey, sergeant Marion lied to you and

here=s the proof?Best: That =s just the jest of what I felt from her because they were saying

here=s your supporting documents...

Holstine: Okay.

Best: Then when I read in your complaint about I didn=t hear

any of those things.

Holstine: Okay. Did she uh...um...and you told her you had forwarded...you told her

you would advise your lieutenant?

Best: Yes.

Holstine: ...of what has gone on. Did you...did you accept this from her?

Best: No.

Holstine: Okay. Uh...cause um...so she never gave you a copy of this?Best: No. She didn=t. She let me read it. It was I remember the face it was red,

with kind of glittery stuff on it.

Holstine: All right I think we=re getting on down the road here. So...

(pause)

Holstine: Let=s see we=ve covered...we=ve covered your essentially two meetings

with Marion regarding the possible relationship between he and Lori.

We=ve covered your meeting with Tammy Morgan, and Jamie Crawford

and what they presented at you. And we=ve obviously covered you

know...you know the reporting you done to the lieutenant. What else is

out there that we haven=t talked about that pertains to this.

Best: I had a sense after I left Tammy Morgan, and Jamie Crawford that I think

that they were upset with me that I didn=t actually take their documents

and write a complaint. I had a sense But that was it.

Holstine: Right

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Best: However, I have a good working relationship with my lieutenant, Duke. I

trust his gage on what should be done. And Lt. Duke told me to write a

memo, I wrote him a memo. He didn=t tell me to write out a complaint

form and I felt at the time that you know they were looking for stuff to

push me to that part where I had to write a complaint saying you know

Officer Morgan lied to you.Holstine: Was there ever any overt solicitation? Did they ever just say are you

going to write a complaint?

Best: No. I think that it=s that non verbal saying you know or expecting me to

do something.

Holstine: Yeah, you=re a sergeant step up and do this...

Best: Um ..hmm

Holstine: ...that kind...that kind of..

Best: You know this is the things that yo should be doing and stuff but, the way

that I have a relationship with uh...Lt. Duke. Are we going to do

something about this or are there going to be further developments.

Holstine: Um..hmmBest: Because you know I know how Jerry is he wants you know all his ducks

in a row before he does anything. And he=s very methodical in and he

wants to have you know chronological order of events. And there=s an

expectation of events that Jerry wanted from me and that=s what he laid

out for me. Because he was monitoring what was taking place and I did

that and then I was uh...when I left their office there was like what else are

you going to do? Saying they=ve investigated all these things...I mean

there=s an investigation taking place here, there what else do you need.?

Well and like I told this is a are we going to play this card at the moment

or is this going to be something else. You know if the lieutenant says

we=re going to write out a complaint based on what we have, okay I=ll doit. But I can...you know there=s a certain trust element that I have with

my lieutenant and he told me to do this.

Holstine: Well we=re getting off...off track here again. Not that its horrible but, I

just want to make sure that as far as any contact, any meetings that you

had with any...any of the principals in this Tammy Morgan, and

uh...Marion Morgan in particular. Have we covered all that material.

Best: Yes sir.

Holstine: And um...based on other conversations that you had, rumors you heard,

you know smoke signals you=ve read, whatever. Uh...what other

witnesses obviously Al Otero uh...what other witnesses can you point me

to that can shed a light on this. I mean I=ve got Al Otero, Tammy

Morgan, Marion Morgan I mean we know who all the players are. It=s an

in-house thing. Anybody...anybody that=s

Best: I don=t know of anybody new that you=ve spoken about that would have

more direct knowledge about it. Okay. I heard there=s been some things

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that have taken place. I know that once Marion Morgan left my shift and

he went to swing shift and he went to go work for Tom Messina. I knew

that during that...after a shift change apparently some kind of

confrontation had taken place in the hallway at the station. Where Tammy

had confronted uh...Marion about this greeting card. Though she lied and

uh...I knew that Tammy came into my office and told me about it. Shewas upset about it um...Marion went to Sgt. Messina and the language to

the effect you better control her, get her away from me. That kind of stuff,

we=re not going to have that kind of stuff taking place inside the station. I

knew that...that had transpired. I didn=t hear the conversation, I didn=t

see the conversation but I knew that both of them were running in and out

the sergeants office. I was trying to triage Tammy with her emotions.

And Marion went to Messina saying you better control her.

Holstine: Okay.

Best: Those kind of things took place.

Holstine: So there might be some conversation between Marion and uh...Tom

Messina...Best: Tom Messina.

Holstine: That may or may not be pertinent. Okay.

Best: Well I think that when dealing with this greeting card. The greeting card

is the touch stone moment about it. You know Tammy had brought the

greeting card to my attention I think that=s when she showed it to him.

Marion saying I caught you.

Holstine: I caught you I know you lied to a supervisor I got you now

Best: Yes sir.

Holstine: Yeah...she maybe correct in that. We=ll see. Anyway you know when

you look at this greeting card. Do you automatically know who wrote it?

Best: No. Is it signed?Holstine: Signed by somebody name Lori.

Best: You probably looked at it before I did. I just breezed over it.

Holstine: All righty we have...we have dissected it and I think that we=ve ask you

the question about three or four different ways. Anyone else or any other

episode, meetings, outburst or anything else that pertenet that we haven=t

talked about.

Best No sir.

Holstine: If you don=t have any more questions of me then we=ll end this at 10:50

hours.

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