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Are there Differences doing Are there Differences doing Physics in Europe or the USPhysics in Europe or the US ??Are there Differences doing Are there Differences doing
Physics in Europe or the USPhysics in Europe or the US ??
a very personal viewa very personal view
E.C. AschenauerE.C. Aschenauer
JLabJLab
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Touring through jobsTouring through jobs
studies / master at university of Erlangen, Germany studies / master at university of Erlangen, Germany (1989)(1989)
PhD at ETH Zuerich (1990- 1994)PhD at ETH Zuerich (1990- 1994)
European Fellowship (1994/1995) European Fellowship (1994/1995) NIKHEF Amsterdam, The NetherlandsNIKHEF Amsterdam, The Netherlands
Gent University, BelgiumGent University, Belgium
PostDoc at DESY (1995 – 2000)PostDoc at DESY (1995 – 2000)Hera–B; HermesHera–B; Hermes
Staff Scientist at DESY (2000 – 2006)Staff Scientist at DESY (2000 – 2006)Hermes Run-Coordinator and Deputy Spokesperson 3 Hermes Run-Coordinator and Deputy Spokesperson 3 yearsyears
Hermes Spokesperson 3.5 yearsHermes Spokesperson 3.5 years
Hall-D group leader at JLab (2007 - ...)Hall-D group leader at JLab (2007 - ...)Hall-D @ 12GeVHall-D @ 12GeVWith a lot of “funny” ;) stories over the timeWith a lot of “funny” ;) stories over the time
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General SituationGeneral Situation
Ex-BRD:Ex-BRD:public kinder gardens only for children > 3 yearspublic kinder gardens only for children > 3 years
basically no mentoring programsbasically no mentoring programs
no carrier planningno carrier planning
still very traditional societystill very traditional society
the 3 Ks (Kirche = church; Kueche = Kitchen; the 3 Ks (Kirche = church; Kueche = Kitchen;
kinder = children) kinder = children)
Females with family and carrier still very rareFemales with family and carrier still very rare
Ex-GDR:Ex-GDR:public kinder gardens already for very small babiespublic kinder gardens already for very small babies
mentoring coupled very often with partymentoring coupled very often with party
nearly all females have been workingnearly all females have been working
still very few females in top positionsstill very few females in top positions
but a lot combined carrier and family but a lot combined carrier and family
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General SituationGeneral Situation
Germany today:Germany today:still very much like the BRDstill very much like the BRD
quota system for high level jobsquota system for high level jobs
very bad “taste” very bad “taste” she got the job because she is she got the job because she is femalefemale
old boys club still in big businessold boys club still in big business
current hierarchy: males from the Ex-BRDcurrent hierarchy: males from the Ex-BRD
femalesfemales
males from the Ex_GDRmales from the Ex_GDR
Female percentageFemale percentage
Begin of studiesBegin of studies
MasterMaster
PhDPhD
HabilitationHabilitation
ProfessorProfessor
For the same job females need twice the publicationsFor the same job females need twice the publications
2006:2006: 21% females are getting an appointment as Prof. 21% females are getting an appointment as Prof. (all faculties)(all faculties)
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The “ Rest” of EuropeThe “ Rest” of Europe
Switzerland even worse than GermanySwitzerland even worse than Germany
Belgium is small Belgium is small statistics; but also very statistics; but also very conservativeconservative
The Netherlands, Sweden, Denmark, ... are much The Netherlands, Sweden, Denmark, ... are much more openmore open
great childcare great childcare
very modern socialistic societiesvery modern socialistic societies
Italy, Spain and France Italy, Spain and France extremely high % of female scientists at lower carrier extremely high % of female scientists at lower carrier levelslevels
fraction of females in high level positions as low or fraction of females in high level positions as low or lower than in Germanylower than in Germany
correlation with income?correlation with income?
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General ObservationsGeneral Observations
So why do good social conditions don’t really helpSo why do good social conditions don’t really help asking around revealed as most frequent answer: asking around revealed as most frequent answer:
there is anyway no chance for females there is anyway no chance for females missing role missing role models ?models ?
Much more work needed to get females in higher Much more work needed to get females in higher educationeducation
have to start at kinder garden to overcome society biashave to start at kinder garden to overcome society bias
gender separated science classes gender separated science classes more confidencemore confidence
Traditional male female roles in society Traditional male female roles in society females are supposed to follow male partnerfemales are supposed to follow male partner
physics requires a lot of movingphysics requires a lot of moving
Can male partners deal with a more successful female in Can male partners deal with a more successful female in
the partnershipthe partnership
Why is the look of a female more important than her Why is the look of a female more important than her intelligence (for males ;) and females)intelligence (for males ;) and females)
Nice example: German Kanzler Dr. Angela MerkelNice example: German Kanzler Dr. Angela Merkel
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Personal QuestionsPersonal Questions
Why is the situation at national Labs worse than at Why is the situation at national Labs worse than at universitiesuniversities
Maybe there is a genetic gender difference Maybe there is a genetic gender difference are females maybe less carrier drivenare females maybe less carrier driven
are females maybe less competitiveare females maybe less competitive
to look for the health of the group does not help the to look for the health of the group does not help the carrier (females are more care takers)carrier (females are more care takers)
are females less self centeredare females less self centered
Does a new trend in society require for successful Does a new trend in society require for successful females females
to have family and carrierto have family and carrier
How to overcome the demographics of current leader How to overcome the demographics of current leader shipship
the “zoo” effect: one female in a big group of malesthe “zoo” effect: one female in a big group of males
extremely frustratingextremely frustrating
there are crown princes not crown princesses breedthere are crown princes not crown princesses breed
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ConclusionConclusion
Till now I saw NO difference betweenTill now I saw NO difference betweenEurope and the USEurope and the US