19618773 in conversation with emil stejnar

8/13/2019 19618773 in Conversation With Emil Stejnar

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fantastic recipes for Austrian cuisine there is also revealed the alchemical secret for thepreparation of authentic ?iennese ream


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For you the soul is not a nebulous ghost of light, but a subtle organism 'hose organs, limbsand elemental being esences% stand in analogy to the astrological planetary principles,and fulfillspecific anatomical and physiological functions.

&n the spirit you dont see a higher and lo'er & or self, but only a single true #& Self% but that isnot complete or divine, but depending upon e/perience, identifies 'ith various of its o'n

#elemental being essences.%

0his #& Self%doesnt land in a beyond after death, but 'aes up first in its o'n personal soulgarden, a ind of soul bubble, 'here all of the thoughts and feelings that one had appear asspirit beings coming to meet us and they form the surrounding environment. At the same timeyou sho' these spirits as elementals and elementaries and see in them personal soul essencesof the subtle body that are to be governed and cultivated. 1nly 'hen it is possible to controlthem could one also control his subtle body, limbs and organs, that are built out of thesepersonal soul essences, and 'illingly use them 'ith purpose and place oneself in the actualbeyond 'ith its beings and spirits.

&n addition you mae a connection of the primal qualities of the four elements to theconsciousness cells, the personal characteristics and after that endeavor to mae a practicalinitiation system to'ards self completion and perfection.

But you have also proposed really heretical theories. You see for e/ample humanity as milco's for the gods. 0hat 'ill not be very encouraging for many esoteric students, even if yousho' some 'ays out.

And no' my question for you is 'here have you gotten all of this) 1ut of 'hich secret archivesor spiritual springs have you created your no'ledge)

The academic footnotes are missing from my +ooks, +ut not everything is new. =ithout scrapingaway at the tradition 0 have only freed $nosis and Hermetics from the patina of time.(A+out this,recently someone who is not an occultist has lamented.)..... But 0 give thanks for my

knowledge neither to mediumistic gifts nor were they otherwise channeled from somewhere. 0have also not copied from old masters, +ut have tried to think through farther where others havestopped. 0t is clear that in the process of writing there is always the collective, already givenknowledge that is reworked, and through thinking it through again nothing new is discovered.0tself, that which is apparently and really new is created or given out of the respective plane orprominent 0ntelligence. That is why 0 meet all inspirations with great caution. #?er+al andacoustic communications from other planes must if one is to trust them, should and may +etreated as if one were speaking to oneself.& as $ustav 3eyrink has already esta+lished. Thatgoes for all inspirations and 0 havetherefore tried to very critically test everything that 0 pu+lish. $nostic Hermetics doesn2t see itselfas science, +ut the continuation of the tradition, and as points to think on, to give axioms ordogmas, and avoids all forms of +elief that are not logically comprehensi+le. $ulli+ility is in ourcurrent enlightened time a widespread fog, exactly like in the dark middle ages. :ot only in thethe esoteric scene, where a heap of errors, the half of which (the anointed which $ustav3eyrink calls them) something is preached of which they have no idea, and the other half (thesuckers)reverently eavesdropping and +elieving what they don2t understand. /ven moreem+arrassing is that this state of mind fogs up the mental capacity of exactly as many so calledscientists. 6pright academics naively +uy into the greataest idiocy from their gurus, or otherrogues, occult pu+lishers and pharmacy firms. That is 1uestiona+le for example if degreeddoctors +elieve that instead of through experience and intuition,they can track down illnessesand indicate suita+le homeopathic remedies using +io%resonance e1uipment, misused liedetection machines and whatever other hocus pocus. The natural scientist would +e welladvised, if they are made insecure through 1uestions of +elief, to not let go of the fundamentalsof scientific procedure, exactly as the esotericist should stick to his magic and mysticism andinstead of shrinking +ack, em+arrassed, trying to explain everything scientifically.

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But to the point, that is e/actly the chasm bet'een esotericism and science that 'e at !nostiaaretrying to bridge. +o you mean that this is bad or pointless)

But no, "ust the opposite. 3agic and science don2t contradict each other. 0ts only that theintolerant , the uninformed, the one sided fanatics, contradict one another, or while they don2t

understand the material and let deformities arise. $nostika will depending on the contri+utor,again and again lose unreasona+le readers from +oth sides, +ut 0 +elieve it is important in spiteof this, to help open minded people to open up to, for them, a strange picture of the world. Thatwill already +e hard enough. Before that the esotericists must define the concepts with whichthey operate more exactly, for example what is descri+ed +y the word spirit and +y soul thereis no common voca+ulary making fruitful conversation possi+le +etween the esotericists ofdifferent traditions and the scientists must on the one side impartially and wakefully listen andon the other side show in a way that they can understandthat the knowledge of natural science is often much more exciting and fantastic as the reportsout of the world of $nomes and emons, and can +e immensely fruitful for the esoteric worldview. 6nder the hermetic law #as a+ove, so +elow& natural science offers a+ove all the onlyrelia+le method in the material plane to draw relia+le conclusions from #higher& planes.

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(here do you see the possibility of the first lin in the bridge)

Between psychology on the one side and astrology on the other it is already completed. A goodserious astrologer today knows in addition the fundamentals of psychological knowledge and onthe other hand more and more psychologists use the many possi+ilities that astrology offers tothem. Astrology conveys an accessi+le model of the soul, that leads to an understanding of theindividual invisi+le soul structure of every single human +eing. A+ove and +eyond that, it makesit possi+le to recognie ahead of time when a certain soul organ will +e functioning +etter or forthe worse. This #soul weather report& is similar to an economic forecast for the economy, for theconscious planning of the life path and is immensely helpful and places every therapist in the

position of +eing a+le to recognie, without time consuming tests and dou+tful methods, thepersonal weak points of the sanityof his patients and also the causes of his momentary distur+ances. 0 have in the twenty fiveyears of activity as an astrological adviser tested thousands of horoscopes for their accuracy,and haveknown really no one who has who as soon as they studied the fundamentals ofastrology and made it their own, and practically applied it, that still had dou+ts a+out it. 8n theother side, it doesn2t surprise me at all that many otherwise intelligent and open minded peopledon2t investigate it +ecause they are repulsed +y the nonsense and popular marketing. !o longas serious astrologers write newspaper horoscopes and lay people who, having no idea a+outastrology write a+out #3oon Astrology&, and so long as every charlatan may call themselves anastrologer things will not change. Astrology is not a science, at most it could +e classified as ascience of clarifying appearances, +ut it+rings forth evidence in such a way that the facts cannot +e denied that next to the laws of the

material world a more su+tle mechanism is influencing life and consciousness.

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You qualify as a successor of Fran- Bardons. +o you hold him to be an &nitiate)

Ies, definitely. =hatever one imagines an initiate to +e, Bardon2s faculties are uncontested, hehad demonstrated them often enough, and there have +een different people that haveconfirmed to me many anecdotes. That is also the reason why he had to experience such adramatic destiny. /very initiate, who supports the accuracy of his teaching with miracles,proving the power of the spirit over the material world, proves there+y also, the existence ofanother world +esides the material, and violates the law of creation that divides, for very good

reason the various planes. He a+andons himself to "ust compensation from the #;ord of this=orld& of whom it is known that very much depends on humanity +elieving that this world is theonly principle of existence. The power of energies +elonging to entities who oversee the laws of


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nature of the material world, is limited to this world and has no effect in the su+tle worlds. 0n thepersonal soul garden and +eyond, the so called #+eyond& on the levels of the hierarchies onemay not plunge gravitation into the a+yss, +ut at most one2sfear...

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0here are also stories that Bardon had incarnated into the t'elve year old Frantische Bardonand hadtherefore taen his arma on himself.

3rs ?otava had spread that around +ecause she wanted to place her guru e1ually with 'esus.Bardon himself had never said that. His widow had written to me though, that Bardon2s motherhad said to her that he had +een +orn a still +orn, and the midwife........had +rought him first tolife only after two hours. The whole karma theory would contradict itself if such an exchangemarket for +ad karma would come into fashion. Their karma must +e carried through +yeveryone themselves so that the reigning and chiming #cells of +eing& can also really +emastered and +uilt into their light +odies.

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&t is said that Bardon had been a student of (ilhelm 2uintscher and had re'ritten material fromhis'ors 'ithout citing him. Some'here else it can be read that he 'as a student of 3arl(einfurter. +oyou no' something closer to the truth)

Bardon2s father was a student of =einfurter. 3rs


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volumes +e first pu+lished after his death. He had certaintly not read the edited version since hehad +een arrested a week +efore it was +rought to him. But even the manuscript was changedonce from the then pu+lisher Bauer ?erlag2s 3r. $eisler, and later +y ieter 4Jgge+erg where+ystill other things were added to the appendix that did not come from Bardon. There are forexample the pictures of the adepts that in truth came from a +ook from -@, #Book of theBuddha of the =est& ( Buch vom Buddha des =estens) a copy of which Bardon possessed.

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+roken for years and had no +attery +egan to tick and the +ig hand moved for some dayslonger.

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&n contrast to many other esotercists you stand 'ith both feet on the ground in life. You have

family,'ere an o'ner of a successful je'elry shop, and not only as a je'elry designer, but alsoacno'ledgedinternationally as an astrologer and have for decades have been 'oring for, not only in the'orld ofFreemasonry, but also in the profane 'orld the acceptance of serious esotericism. But suddenlyyouhave fully 'ithdra'n yourself You receive only close friends and you dont hold esotericgatheringsanymore. (hy) Are you disappointed, have you resigned yourself)

After periods where something can +e accomplished there follow times in which one must pull+ack. Therefore compare a hermetic lodge with its work at the turn of the century to the goldendawn of morning. =hoever is familiar with nature recognies this phenomenon> There the sky isturning a golden red, and one thinks the sun is coming up, +ut then suddenly it +ecomes dimand dark. The spectacular display disappears for ten minutes +efore the sun really appears overthe horion. =e find ourselves in this dark phase at this time.=hat is introduced as a very promising new age has, in the meantime degenerated into anem+arrassing unappetiing #:ew Age.& =ith that 0 cannot identify myself even with the +est ofmy inner will. But also 0 cannot do anything a+out it. Then we must, following the laws of natureaccept this renewed dawn time. At most we can spark a light in 1uiet places for those few whofollow. =hat we may not do is to stamp out the torchlight of others +ecause they +ring to light apart of the path that is not pleasing to us. The phenomenon of the 8T8 for example has not+een exhaustively addressed, largely +ecause the founder and grandmaster degenerated into ascoundrel and its practitioners were damned. That would +e the same as if one were to

measure the worth of hristianity +y the respecta+ility and deeds of the cardinals and popes.=hat is really valid to investigate is the phenomenon of seeking and +elief. This, primal energyof consciousness in wakeful humans, that also moves the readers of these sentences to go outand ac1uire $nostika, moves everyone in different directions. Those of a *austian nature seekin lodges, orders and #secret +rotherhoods& and find there through a consecration or initiation ina 9night2s ordination the self confirmation that lends them the necessary strength to follow thespiritual path. The mystically natured find in religion their support, and trust in the loving $odand the powers of the hierarchies instead of in their own power. And the purely intellectualsafeguard themselves with theses of philosophy and science. 3eyrink excuses himself for acritical comment made to the opposite camp of Theists immediately with the statement that hedidn2t want to speak against 4eligion, then that would mean to kick away the crutches out fromunder the feet of the lame. =e must +e careful that we don2t take away someone2s crutches only+ecause they are cut out of a different kind of wood than those that

support us in this moment. The #/nlightenment& should not go so far as to then dim down thelight again. =e have already had that as the devil was taken out of the picture and at the sametime the path to +elief and to a $od and good spirits was disassem+led. 0t is easier to stand a +itof superstition. The sun will sometime come up again.

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/mil !te"nar gave this interview rich with information for $nostika, a magaine for !cience and/sotericism ,Iear three, issue 'anuary -

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