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I am not a public servant {officer or employee} and any claim to the contrary must

be proved by payroll records and my alleged public servant {officer} title and sworn

under penalty of perjury with full commercial liability for the person who swears to

it.

Im not an officer or agent or employee of the government. I am not resident within

the government and any claim to the contrary must be proved by payroll records.Prove that Im being paid by the government to be a government employee. If you

cant then your law doesnt apply to me.

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When they impose any of these rules and regulations beyond government upon any

of us {private} theyre breaching their fiduciary duty {as public officers and trustees

of government}. All employees of government are in a trustee position. The courts

have said this emphatically

Public means governmentprivate means non-government.

Your acceptance of anything that government offers you at any level in any way,

shape or form is a consent to cooperate with them and to put yourself under their

authority and control.

Governments have all the authority, rights and duties to make all the laws necessary

to regulate themselves. Their law, rules, regulations, codes and so-called statutes do

not apply to the people outside of government.

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The scam that has been used is this lawyer reference to resident. You are a resident

of the State of Blank. They will always say that. They will go so far as to put it inwriting in the complaints or motions to the courts that the defendants, the plaintiff

or any other party is a resident of the State of Blank. In order to get the individual

under the jurisdiction of the courtthey use this languagethis is a presumption

that is created which must be rebutted with rebuttable evidence to prevent them

from proceeding against you. Now, this is going to really upset lawyers and judges

because if you learn how to do this, and its not hard, but if you learn how to do this

and you take an affidavit into court with a motion to dismiss under Rule 12(b)(6),

they fail to state a claim upon which relief can be granted, thats Rule 12(b)(6)

because the complaint is made against a person who is not a resident of the State.

Accompany that with an affidavit signed and sworn to under penalty of perjury and

witnessed by a notary public that states the same thing, I am not a resident of the

State of Blank because I do not work for the State of Blank. I am not employed in

any way, shape or form. I am not an officer of the State of Blank. The presumption

that I am is erroneous and must be corrected on the record. Simple enough, isnt

it? Motion to dismiss this claim under Rule 12(b)(6) because the claim fails to state a

claim upon which relief can be granted against a person who is not a resident of the

State of Blank. End of motion. Between the two, the motion and the affidavit, the

court must rule and it must rule that you are not the person that the complaint can

be lodged against. The case must be dismissed. When they dont then you want to

start looking up this Code of Judicial Ethics. Theyre not following the law.

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If they create the presumption and you rebut it and then they come back at you

with, well you do have a drivers license, you say, well, if I do its also erroneous.

Dont let them trick you back into admitting that youre within the state because if

you have a drivers license its within the states jurisdiction.

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There is no government left. The government has ceased to function in its normal

position that it was in under the Constitution. Everything has been farmed out to


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privately owned corporations to do the government work. So Social Security is

actually a private insurance company. Its not government. Its doing it for

government but its there for anybody to do business with it. So, in reality social

security is not a benefit or a privilege from government but theyll try to tell you it

is. All you got to do is do a little bit of leg work to find where its listed as a business

on Dunn and Bradstreet and present it to them that, look, this is a private company.Its in business to make money. This is not government.

*********************************If you look at most statutes thats what they say and all persons only applies to all

persons in the agency that they give it to unless it specifically says, all persons who

have a license to sell alcohol or all persons who operate a motor vehicle or all

persons who have a license to sell tobacco products. It has to be specific. It cant just

say all persons and when it does it hasnt been properly assigned to the agency for

implementation. So what the agencies do is they sue in their own name. For

instance, the IRS makes a complaint against you under United States v. You or The

United States of America v. You, IRS, Department of the Treasury complaining that

you didnt pay taxes. Well, what they are doing is acting as an assignee of anauthority to collect taxes but where in the statutes were they assigned this authority

to take you to court, to bring claims against you? Its not there.

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This is all important to understand that in most cases the actual action is being

made against you by an assigned person. Either the agency has been assigned or has

not been assigned. The police department is acting like they are the assignee but by

law have not been assigned to do the functions that theyre doing. There is no

statutory law that they can bring themselves within a provision of in order to

execute the assignment of action that theyre doing, an action on a negotiable

instrument of any kind is an action on a note or on a chosen action.

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Every action shall be prosecuted in the name of the real party in interest.

The rule requires you to objectan objection for ratification of commencement of

the action by or joinder or substitution of the real party in interest and such

ratification, joinder or substitution shall have the same effect as if the action had been

commenced in the name of the real party in interest. See the trickery of this kind of

stuff that lawyers put together? As long as you dont object we can do this with

assignment and get away with it and theyre doing it and theyre getting away with

it because we dont know enough to object.

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It is a dishonest act of enforcing a law upon a private individual that government

has no right, no power, no authority whatsoever to enforce upon the private

individual. That is breach of their fiduciary duty with no stupid questions asked.

When you file a breach of fiduciary duty case you are actually filing in equity. Leave

out all statutory references even though that example that we send around came out

of Colorado forms and it refers to a Colorado statutory representation that does put

it in equity but it isnt necessary to quote any statutory reference in order to open

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(unless youre a teacher or government worker or have contracted with the

government with full disclosure, etc whereby youre not private anymore and youre

resident within the government.)

You got to be party to government to enjoy governments benefits, privileges and

opportunities.

*********************The executive branch of government is only enforcing the legislation for the benefitof protecting the government and not necessarily doing what theyre supposed to do

to protect us. The one that is the most guilty of not following the law is the judges. It

comes from the canon of ethics for judicial conduct. Canon #2, very important, the

canon says: a judge shall avoid impropriety and the appearance of impropriety in all of

the judges activities. Subsection A,Promoting Public Confidence. You know

anybody whos competent in the courts? I dont. Nobody believes the courts are

honest, correct and truthful and fairnot even most of the lawyers.

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This defendant states that he is without knowledge sufficient to form a belief as tothe correctness of the statement of the claim of the plaintiffs and he neither admitsnor denies the allegations concerning the claims of the plaintiffs but demands the

plaintiffs strictly prove their claim.************************************

Failing to answer is devastatingits a total loss. Failing to answer and back the

answer up with an affidavit denying what they claim amounts to a total loss. A vague

or ambiguous complaint is remedied by a request for a more definite statement.

That will put things off for a little while until you get a decent statement. You must

object to whatever they finally state by affidavit.

************************************Now, another rule that I found to be interesting Rule 11. Rule 11, its called signing

of pleadings but its got a very interesting statement in it that I think clarifies

something I bought up a week or two ago and that is I have been finding that

lawyers are not making a notice of appearance and putting it in the docket record of

the case and I thought sure they were supposed to because I read parts of the

dictionary definition to you about the appearance of an attorney and the duty of the

court recorder to put it in the docket. The docket is the list of actions that are done

within a court action. The complaint itself, the answer to the complaint, the motion

to dismiss, all those different functions that go on within a complaint, notices that

are written into it, theyre all docketed in this sheet called the docking sheet or a

docket sheet depending upon what court and what name they have for it.

*************************************We need to object every time an attorney goes into court and the docket sheet shows

that they have not entered their appearance on the docket sheet with an official

entry that everything that theyre doing is a sham pleading and that they should be

sanctioned for this or at least ordered by the court to put the notice into the record

that they are the attorney for the attorney for the party before they proceed any

further. That will stop the proceeding for that day.

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The reason why lawyers dont write affidavits is because the lawyer cant. They

dont have first-hand knowledge. They cannot testify because they werent there.

*******************************Sometimes theyll get an affidavit signed by somebody they call a robo signer,

somebody who signs hundreds and hundreds of these affidavits for the benefits of

the lawyers that theyre not the real party in interest. Theyre not real either andthat can be proven. All you have to do is object to that affidavit because you have no

proof from this party that they actually work for such-and-such a bank or such-

and-such a government agency or whatever. You have no proof given within the

affidavit and you have no proof that this individual was there at the time of the

incident or the transaction and really does have first-hand knowledge because they

didnt express that in the affidavitand they dont. And thats how you object to

their affidavits and that proves that theyre just a robo-signer, theyre not the real

party.

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Theyll always say that we need the information from you.The burden of proof isupon the complaining party, not upon the defendant. That, again, is a violation ofdue process.

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You didnt give me enough knowledge or information about what youre talking

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How can there possibly be a credit card when the law forbids the banks to lend

credit?

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Dont give them the facts that they want. Dont give them the answers to creates

facts or even the appearance of facts that they want. The burden of evidence

according to the law is upon the complaining party, not upon the defendant.

The defendant doesnt have to produce or admit to anything.

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Their own paperwork is your evidence to prove their dishonest act, have a copy of

the statute, for instance, that shows what they were supposed to do which they

didnt do or a copy of the rule that shows what they were supposed to do that they

didnt donot that complicated for any of us to do.

****************************************The state of some name is the government.

We have been so misled into thinking that we live in the state of something but when

in fact the only time youre in the state of something is when youre employed as an

officer or an employee of the state government or any of its political subdivisions.

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Look it up in the states laws. Every state has laws on the procedure of how theyre

supposed to do things, even the rules of filing a complaint. They can be found and

those rules require things that are commonly left out of complaints.


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***************************************The whole basis of appeal is based on whether or not due process was met and

whether the judge erred in the due process.

****************************Resident means located at, an agent of or associated with the state government when

you admit to being a resident of the state. When they make a claim that youre aresident of the state you can rebut that claim by an affidavit stating that you are not

a resident of the state.

You are not employed by the government and if they want to claim that you are all

they have to do is come up with payroll records to prove it.

Caution: The Department of Education is an agency of the State.

*****************************What land is in the State of Blank? Certainly not your private land that you bought

the land that the state bought to build state office buildings or state agencies

would be in the State of Blank, not your private land. That law does not apply to

private land and it cannot. The law is not allowed by the constitutional mandates to

extend any of its law and its activities of taxation and regulation to private property.So it cannot extend to your private land and cannot require your private land to be

recorded. But some lawyer told you it had to be because he lies and you didnt

question it, you let it happen and its recorded. If you want to get out of the private

property tax or the property tax on private propertyI should have said that more

correctlyyou have to get that deed back out of their records, out of their recording

to that land. The same thing applies to birth certificates. The only thing that the law

related to births can apply to its corporations. It cannot apply to a natural child

birth of people because the government is a corporation and the only thing a

corporation can do is deal with other corporations and it can even extend the

authority of operating as a corporation to individuals who request such an authority

from the state. And on the date that that requested corporation is authorized that

corporation is born and that birth has to be recorded in the states records as a

corporation. A natural child from natural people does not fall under that statute.

The wording does not cover people and any lawyer that will tell you that it does is

lying to you.

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[Howard] for those of you who end up in court there is a I brought this up lastweekI talked about itIm not sure that I got this point through because Ive talked toa couple of people that are using all my calls and it didnt sit with them. They didnt getanything out of what I talked about, this court case that I brought up last week. ThomasHutchens v. Maxicenters USA is the name of the case. It is found at 541 Southern Rptr2d, p. 618. It is a discussion by the dissenting judge. Its the only discussion in the wholecase about the courts failure to address personal rights in property, that the court reliedstrictly on legal maneuvers and legal procedures and did not involve equity in theirdecision. They would not use equity to protect the individual rights of the people in theirdecision. This is what the judge talked about. The dissenting judge talked for, I think, its3 and a half pages or four and a half pages, something like that. I really havent looked atmaybe its five. Its about four and a half pages. About personal rights of people, theprivate rights of the individual and that they are not protected by law. Now, why did ittake us so long to come up with this, to find and realize that the law is not there for ourbenefit. Equity is there for our benefit. Equity protects the individual and his liberty andhis property rights, not the law, much less the common law because the common law wasabolished in 1939 by theErie Railroaddecision. It no longer exists as it did prior to thatdecision. Today, the common law is the commercial law. The commercial law is codifiedas the Uniform Commercial Code accepted and ratified by every state in the union. Its intheir code books. If somebody were to take the effort to bother to study a little bit and


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read that code and read the Rules of Court they would find that it fits exactly what theSupreme Court said in 1939 that from now on the rules of decisions of the courts will bein accordance with the negotiable instrument laws and not with the common law as itexisted prior to this. And theres a good reason for this. And whoever wrote this stupidarticle that the country is not brokeit doesnt matter what kind of money is where, its

not money. Theres no reality to this money. Theres no wealth or value behind thismoney. Its is broke. Its been broke since 1933 when the government declared that goldand silver were no longer going to be money. Well, actually they declared that silverwould not be money all the way back in 1871 {Earnest Seyd, British agent} but whoknows that? Nobody reads the newspapers much less do they read the statutory laws.Silver was abolished as money in 1871 by Congress {they sold out cheap). Gold wasabolished as money in 1933 and that took it all the way. There is no valued money incirculation. Everything today is negotiable instruments. Thats why the court ruled as itdid and correctly so. If Congress is going to get away with this and if nobodys going tochallenge the fact that Congress did this wrongly to take away the value of money andreplace it with worthless paperand nobodys challenged that, not really, not correctly.

Being they havent the Supreme Court said, without a challenge to that we have to goalong with it and we have to address the issue thats in front of us. And the issue in frontof is can the common law still apply? And no, it cannot. Everything has to be done withnegotiable instrument laws today because all we have in circulation is negotiableinstruments. We have no equitable principles in court anymore to bring these privaterights of value forward. Isnt it interesting what our legal profession in this country, lawenforcement idiots from the bottom to the top have managed to accomplish and do to us,to take away any remedy that would protect the individuals private property rightswithin the courts by abolishing the use of equity and combining it with law and thenstatutorizing it so that you could only use the part that was applicable through the statuteand not the general equitable principles that regulate and control the law. Now, if youunderstand this and you wont. Probably even reading this case you still wont butthinking about it eventually listening to us talk about this in the extent to which it goesthat we will cover at different times and have covered parts of in the past and will in thefuture, continue to cover it eventually you may get the drift of it and you will be able tosay to a judgeand the case that Dave just read, this very last thing that he coveredthatgentlemen that was trying to do that to show that the government personnel had not donewhat they were supposed to dothey are the supposed to be the trustees. At every levelof government, government employees are trustees, the courts have said. As trustees theyhave a duty to protect us, the American people, to look out for our personal propertyrights, our liberties, not to look out for the benefit of government to profit off of us for thebenefit of government but this is what theyre doing. This is dishonestnow, dishonestsimply because it is the opposite of the purpose of government. The real purpose ofgovernment is spelled out in the preamble of the state constitutions and the Preamble tothe United States Constitution. Now, of course, that wording was done by people withintelligence several centuries ago, something that has been completely diluted in thepeople ever since then by education. So it may be a little bit hard for you to grasp theconcept that government has a duty to protect commerce to make sure that it is there forour benefit. Government has a duty to create a military force for the benefit of protectionof the American people, to defend the country. Who gave them the right to attack another


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countryits not in the Constitution. I guess we did by not objecting when they did it inmasses. Well, thats because we have educated people in the masses, as Neil Bortz wouldrefer to the people, the dumb masses. Now, dont say that too fast or youll know exactlywhat he called the people. Education has made us stupid. Now, stupid is fixable.Ignorance is something that might not be able to be fixed, but stupidity can. Stupidity is

caused by leadership, by control over the people and the people can overcome that. Theycan overcome stupidity. Downright ignorance thats because everything is lackingcompletely, theres nothing there to learn from, well, that might not be overcomeable.But stupidity yeahIll grant you I went to school. I got somewhat of an education andI came out just as stupid as anybody else. But I put out an effort in my life to try toovercome that stupidity. Now, Im not doing too well. I realized that theres so muchmore yet for me to learn, so much that I dont realize and so much to be proven such aswhat I have said about the courts being corrupt. They are not there to protect the interestof the people. They are there to extort from the people for the benefit of government andthats all theyve been doing. I couldnt prove that but if you get a hold of this case.Hutchens v. Maxicenters USA 541 Southern Rptr 2d, p. 618. Get the dissenting opinion,

the follow-up of the original case that was filed and the original denial. This was amotion for a re-hearing en banc. Motion for re-hearing en banc is denied. That was theend of this part of the case. And then this judge named Cowart disagreed and one of theother judges, Judge Cobb, also concurred with the dissenting opinion of Judge Cowart.Out of seven judges on the court panel that were named two of them disagreed with thecourt. Of course, five to two, you know who loses, dont you? The two. The court gotaway with what it normally does but these two stood up and spoke out and agreed that thecourt is not doing what its supposed to do, that the lawyers are idiots. As a matter of factone of the comments that was made by this judge is, unfortunately, equity is no longertaught in our law schools as a separate body of substantive law. The separate treatises onthe subject by Pomoroy, Story and Conan are now substantially out of print and the fieldis clearly declining in recognition. They dont even recognize equity. Equity was whatwas used in England. It grew out of the common law because the harshness of commonlaw, that the law could be used against you to harm you and equity was the only thingthat would protect you from that harm. Thats how the equity courts came to be to protectan individual from the harm of the law. In America were supposed to have equity. Itsupposedly came to this country from the English law that we brought here with us.Theyre doing away with it, these are the lawyers. The lawyers are behind this. Thelawyers want to be able to use the law to steal everything from us which theyre veryeffectively doing. They dont want equity. They dont want to protect our rights. Theydont want to protect the individuals. The problem we have in this country is lawyers.Shakespeare once wrote that if you want to straighten out a corrupt nation the first thingyou have to do is kill all the lawyers. I disagreed with that when I first heard of it or readit. I dont think thats a real good idea but the more Ive learned about what lawyers aredoing the more I realized that Mr. Shakespeare was 100% correct. These lawyers have tobe done away with. And in America like I told you earlier we do not have jury trials. Welynch thieves. Look at the history of America. We lynch thieves in America. We do nothave jury trials. The state government has jury trials. The state governments laws applyto people that work for the state and for property of the state. Thats all they apply to.They dont apply to your private property or to your life. When the state interferes with


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your life you have the last word according to the 10th Amendment of the United StatesConstitution and the last word could be lynching. Lynch these bastards. Dont go outthere with gunslynch them. Do it at night time in the cover of dark in the public squarefrom the cross tie of a telephone pole. Leave their body hanging there so that the peoplein town get to see that these people that are corrupt are being lynched. Maybe itll wake a

few of them of upI hope that it only takes a couple of lynchings, I really do, to wakethe rest up and make them quit what theyre doing. Save their own lives. I dont wanteverybody killed. But I see things getting very violent in the near future and there will beguns, there will be plenty of guns. As a matter of fact theres a Bible story that says thegovernment will bring troops from foreign lands in against us for a little while as long asthe money system lasts. And they will bring so many guns that we will kill a bunch ofthem, take their guns, have so many guns we wont need them as guns so well break thestocks off and the Bible says well use them for firewood to keep warm. Well burn thestocks from the weapons. Interesting little story. I forget where that is in the Bible andwhich Bible its in because theres dozens of different versions of the Bible out there andtheyre not all identical which just shows you that theres something wrong with religion

because if it was all true and all provable and all honest it would all be written the sameway, wouldnt it? And when theres conflicts between the books then evidently theressomething wrong with the truthits not all there.But anyhow, this case that I keep referring back to is a means for you to hand it to a judgeand show him that you will not put up with the fact that the court will not protect yourprivate property rights no matter what they might be, your private automobile, yourprivate land, your private labor against any kind of claims of government to extort fromyou. You will not put up with it and you will not put up with the fact that the court has setequity aside and refuses to protect your rights, that lawyers dont understand it. Yourenot going to put up with that. What you will do is you will bring an equitable action ofbreach of fiduciary duty which is breach of the trust against everyone of these peoplewho are dishonest and not doing what the Constitution and the trust part of it says. Andthe trust part of it is the preambles. Thats what sets up the trust. The rest of theConstitution is all the organization of government except for that Article 4, Section 4 thatguarantees a republican form of government. All the rest of it is the duties of government,the establishment of government, the powers and authorities of offices of government.Thats all it is. Its a set of bylaws for a corporation. Theyre written identically the sameway, believe it or not whether its a corporation like General Motors or a corporation likethe United States of America or the State of Blank, theyre all corporations and theirbylaws are all written basically the same way, any corporation at all, Wall Mart, Inc.,every corporation, their bylaws are written the same way. They establish that there is anexecutive office, a president with certain powers and duties. They establish that there is aboard of directors. We call it the legislature in the Constitution. All it is, is a board ofdirectors, thats the legislature. They sit down and make the rules. They decide what thecorporation is going to do and how its going to proceed. And then theres anenforcement arm. Do you know that every corporation has the right to have its ownpolice force, the power to have its own police force to police its own properties? Well,the state government has the right to have a police force to police its own property. And ifyou break into their property and steal you can be arrested by those police and they wouldhave absolute authority when they catch you trespassing on their property and stealing


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something to arrest you. They could bring their laws against you because you broke intostate property. Outside of state property they have no authority whatsoever when theyresent out here by these idiot lawyers and tell these little idiot cops to come out and dothese things to your private property. Theyre outside of their authority. Theyre farbeyond their authoritytheyre breaching their trust duty. Theyre not supposed to be out

here imposing their laws on you and me. But you and I have a duty as well as a right togo into court and bring a claim against a fellow American who did something wrong toyou if you wish to do that. Thats what the courts are supposed to be there for to resolvedisputes and differences between us, the people, not for the good of government to extortfrom us which is exactly what this scum lawyer system has been doing for years andgetting away with it. And were starting to wake up, just barely starting to wake up. Theyhave a duty to protect our interests. They have a duty to protect our property and ourrights in property which is what our interest is. They have a duty to protect our libertythat we are to be left alone to move about freely, to involve ourselves in commerce, to geta license in commerce and follow the commercial rules if we wish or to just move aboutfreely and have our own little private business organizations, little activities like

manufacturing chairs in the garage in the back yard and selling them to somebody. Thatsnot a commercial business. Thats a little private activity. A commercial business is whenyoure dealing in paper internationally such as bills of lading or deeds or mortgages orinsurances. These are commercial activities. Well, Social Security is an insurance, didyou know that? You happen to be the insurer. You have to read and do a little bit ofstudying about how Social Security is set up. But you and I that are asked to sign up, allof us stupid people in America that arent required to but did sign up, we are the insurerof all the other people that have signed up and they are the insurer ofincluding us.

[Dave] It was originally called the FICA, Federal Insurance Contributions Act,not Social Security.

[Howard] Thats right. That is what its called. Thats the technical name for it. Itsan insurance operation. It is not a government agency. It is a private corporation. Theycannot associate your connection with Social Security with a government benefit becauseits not a government agency so its not a government benefit. So how can it be aprivilege that attaches you to the income tax? What a fraud and a scam these people haveperpetrated on the American people. Wake up, Americans.

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