2015.10.11 hhfhoa walk-around transcript

2015.10.11 HHFHOA Walk-Around of 55

2015.10.11 HHFHOA Walk‐Around re Proposed Amendments to the CCRs Bruce Hensley, John Galles, Andrew Hill, Rob Dayton

John Galles : Hello there.

Bruce Hensley: Hi John, can't complain about this weather.

John Galles : No, this is just about perfect I'd say.

Bruce Hensley: Yes it is.

John Galles : Is Rob joining us?

Bruce Hensley: I think Rob and Andrew. Andrew had some questions like you, so I invited him to join us, too.

John Galles : Oh great. How are you?

Bruce Hensley: I'm doing well.

John Galles : You look good.

Bruce Hensley: Thanks, thank you. Working around the house, planting stuff. I got to replace this light bulb. Wait a second.

John Galles : It's never ending.

Bruce Hensley: A leaf pile.

John Galles : I had to go into the office for a while today. I got to go to Durham tomorrow, and Ill be there most of the day.

Bruce Hensley: What's going on in Durham.

John Galles : Oh, it's our annual interview, Blue Cross Blue Shield, for the annual enrollment period of the healthcare.

Bruce Hensley: For your employees?

John Galles : Well, for business health insurance, yeah.

Bruce Hensley: Just to bring you up to speed here, we have recently purchased 2, a master controller. That box on the back side is new.

John Galles : Okay.


Bruce Hensley: For the irrigation and the lights.

John Galles : For this corner.

Bruce Hensley: For this corner. Andrew already knows all this, I told him the other day.

Andrew Hill: Hey man.

John Galles : Hi Andrew, it's good to see you, [inaudible 00:01:40]

Andrew Hill: Yeah, thank you.

Bruce Hensley: We have added ...

Andrew Hill: Hi John.

John Galles : [inaudible 00:01:43] like me.

Andrew Hill: Yeah, that's right.

Bruce Hensley: ... we have added 3 sprinkler heads on that end, that's what the mud was for.

John Galles : Okay.

Bruce Hensley: We're going to go ahead and take care of watering that portion that's not quite on the common area. Even though it's not green weeds, it's brown weeds, so we're also going to get this over‐seeded, and hopefully eradicate all of the weeds and make it a little nicer.

John Galles : Its always hard on those outdoor rims, those rims around the outside of property.

Bruce Hensley: They just need to kill the weeds, and over‐seed it, it's just a mess. It's green, but it's weeds. Then down here, beginning Tuesday, we're going to take out 27 Bradford pears.

John Galles : I remember they voted on that, I wondered whether it was going to happen or not.

Bruce Hensley: Bridget and Lisa asked us to hold of until the fall, so they would have a canopy during the summer, and I didn't have any problem with that. Then Roger called me today, and said he's got 3 leaning half dead Bradfords in his backyard that are in a common area. He said he doesn't care if those are down, and since they're a nuisance anyway, we'll take those down and maybe he can grown some grass.

Andrew Hill: When was the vote on those trees? Was it at the annual meeting?


John Galles : Actually it was before then.

Andrew Hill: I didn't remember seeing that. Was that in an email?

Bruce Hensley: Well, it was in an email this week to the people that live on Fairchild and letting them know what's going on.

Andrew Hill: Nobody else?

Bruce Hensley: It was in the minutes of the meeting, yeah. [crosstalk 00:03:09]

John Galles : To be replaced by.

Bruce Hensley: To be replaced by to be determined. Bridget and Lisa said they wanted input, and Dave [Hawk 00:03:15], the guy, who we've hired to do it, is recommending Eastern Redbuds. Which, Mark [Fritz 00:03:20] has one in his yard. I'll show it to you when we do our loop. He recommends half as many as we're taking down. Actually was 24 and he's recommending 13, 6 on this side, and 7 on that side. We're going to try to plant grass down there, because grass won't grow. The sidewalk gets funky with algae and slime, because it doesn't get any light.

Andrew Hill: Is there irrigation down there?

Bruce Hensley: No.

Andrew Hill: The hope is for the grass to just grow by itself?

Bruce Hensley: Yeah.

John Galles : Yikes, is your son getting tall?

Andrew Hill: I know.

John Galles : Holy smokes, oh wow.

Andrew Hill: When we used to have to play soccer I used to be able to shoot it over his head into the goal. I can't do that so much anymore.

John Galles : Not anymore.

Andrew Hill: No.

John Galles : Boy have you sprouted since I saw you last. You look good.

Andrews son: Thank you. Three inches in the last two years.

John Galles : For real, wow.


Bruce Hensley: He needs a [inaudible 00:04:14] head.

Andrew Hill: That's right, yep. Probably I don't know two more inches and Carson will be the smallest one in the family, because Olivia will overtake her. Olivia's in the 95th percentile for height.

John Galles : Is she really? What age is she?

Andrew Hill: She's 11.

John Galles : 11, so she's just starting the junior high years, right?

Andrew Hill: Yeah, she's in grade 6.

John Galles : Yeah, okay, one more year. That's when the girls usually get taller than the boys.

Andrew Hill: That's right.

Bruce Hensley: I got 3 nephews that are 6'4".

Andrew Hill: Wow. That's crazy.

Bruce Hensley: 30, 24, and 18. Yep.

John Galles : That's great.

Bruce Hensley: Well, I don't know where Rob is. Here comes Matt.

Andrew Hill: I guess the biggest question I have is implementing what it is you guys are trying to put in place. Who's the committee? Who's the committee who's going to go around and say ...

Bruce Hensley: To be determined, probably members of the architectural committee, and Pam has volunteered as a citizen, non‐board, or non ...

Andrew Hill: Shocking.


John Galles : I think that's part of what I have to, the process of it. I mean, nobody needs to be ambushed.

Bruce Hensley: Right, exactly. What?

John Galles : What kind of notice is appropriate.

Bruce Hensley: What John's questions were is specifically ...


Andrew Hill: John?

Bruce Hensley: John Galles' questions are why we're here today. He wanted to know what we view as infractions. What would be an infraction, and I wanted to go around and literally look at every house, and saying, "Based on what we've had written, and what this committee and the board has decided, and everybody's on board, and signed off on it on the board, and architects, too." I think this is great that we're going through this exercise.

John Galles : Hello Matt.

Bruce Hensley: There's some subjective stuff, and some borderline stuff, but I think you always err on the side of professionalism and neighborly communications. I'd love to get your input. Why don't we go ahead and start and if Rob comes, he'll catch up with us.

John Galles : You're the leader.

Bruce Hensley: Just go this way. I walk the neighborhood, as you guys know, quite often. Howdy.

Speaker 1: How's it going, how you guys doing?

Group: Good.

Speaker 1: Good.

Bruce Hensley: [inaudible 00:06:58] achieve this goal, okay, I'm walking around, go around ...

Andrew Hill: Right.

Bruce Hensley: ... to keep this [inaudible 00:07:05] he has some improvement and I think it's fine and he told me and he is attempting to take [inaudible 00:07:12].

John Galles : This is one of the 12.

Bruce Hensley: No I would not, no. We've got leaves in the bed and this is user friendly, that's user friendly or a reminder it's not an infraction.

John Galles : It's usually the sender to do the

Andrew Hill: I mean, I would say that looks pretty bad.

Bruce Hensley: It does.

Bruce Hensley: I would replant [inaudible 00:07:31] and trim. Unbelievably these guys have worked on this for days [inaudible 00:07:41].


John Galles : His name [inaudible 00:07:44].

Bruce Hensley: They've just done ... They've actually done a lot better. They had saplings here that was more than 4 feet tall and never had [inaudible 00:07:59]. His mailbox does need refurbishing and [inaudible 00:08:03] just [inaudible 00:08:13]. The gas can outside, I don't think there's a place for it [inaudible 00:08:20]. This mailbox is okay I think.

Andrew Hill: You have a problem with that mailbox.

Bruce Hensley: No, I think that's okay, I mean, with age it's not great and you've got plastic under there and I don't think that they personally like the concrete border but it's better than plastic. He's got [inaudible 00:08:53]. Some stay there for years and [inaudible 00:09:00]. A lot of issues in [crosstalk 00:09:03].

John Galles : I don't know, but I would say we're going to run into more and more of that.

Bruce Hensley: You're going to keep getting this [inaudible 00:09:10] like Andrew and Rob have gotten [inaudible 00:09:13] and patio and [inaudible 00:09:18] and he spent a lot of money and a time and it looks great. I don't know if you've ever ...

John Galles : No I haven't seen it, it's in the back.

Bruce Hensley: I've got no issue with this. They've done a good job of [inaudible 00:09:35] equipment in the front yard [inaudible 00:09:39].

John Galles : When they don't see [inaudible 00:09:43].

Bruce Hensley: Mailbox.

John Galles : I see the lot on the other side of here is for sale.

Andrew Hill: The lot has sold.

Bruce Hensley: The lot has sold.

John Galles : Oh, it did. Really>

Bruce Hensley: They're putting the house beside of it for sale. These guys do a great job.

John Galles : They didn't notice [inaudible 00:10:02].

Andrew Hill: It's like [inaudible 00:10:03] at the bottom of the sign.

Bruce Hensley: The curb has buckled in [inaudible 00:10:12] that's probably a city issue, but I've got no problem with [inaudible 00:10:19] here.


Andrew Hill: Yeah, I would say that's ...

John Galles : I would think it has something to do with this piece over here too. Did they do a lot of work, because that's further down.

Bruce Hensley: That's right. They've got a culvert [inaudible 00:10:40] a year and a half. This yard has got a lot of weeds, there again, I've checked it, I don't know if he's got true green coming in or but it's green and it looks good. The mailbox obviously needs a little sprucing up. The sidewalk is really [inaudible 00:11:08], this is where we had a problem [inaudible 00:11:13].

John Galles : It took them a while to work on this one.

Bruce Hensley: [inaudible 00:11:12] months and Duke Power had to come back 7 times [inaudible 00:11:23]. I don't know what she's done [inaudible 00:11:24] I don't know if this is Fescue or Bermuda. It looks like it's Bermuda.

John Galles : Yeah.

Andrew Hill: I would say it is.

Bruce Hensley: She kind of overseeded. She actually moved her mailbox about a year ago because the people backing out the driveway kept ...

John Galles : Don't people supposed to overseed Bermuda in the spring and Fescue in the fall.

Bruce Hensley: I don't know. Hey man.

Rob Dayton: A couple of minutes late and you guys take off on a guy.

Bruce Hensley: We ain't waiting on you, we ain't waiting on you.

Andrew Hill: Hey there buddy.

Rob Dayton: I come see to how [inaudible 00:11:52] [crosstalk 00:11:53] which game. How are you?

John Galles : Which game just finished up.

Rob Dayton: I have no idea. I got caught taking out a sprinkler head and, of course, you don't ever have the right tools, you've got to run to Lowe's right?

John Galles : Of course.

Bruce Hensley: I've been there.


Rob Dayton: I haven't adjusted it yet, it's in.

Bruce Hensley: No issue here, you can see he's overseeded and has new grass coming up. They do a really good job I think, just keeping this stuff [inaudible 00:12:24] all around it. Only 55 miles an hour in the neighborhood.

Andrew Hill: This sign over here needs pressure washing as well.

John Galles : The entrance sign?

Andrew Hill: Yeah.

John Galles : Yeah. What it needs is Tylex, it's got all that [inaudible 00:12:44] on it.

Rob Dayton: We just did all that, the entrance.

Andrew Hill: The brick column there Rob and the sign on the right side.

Rob Dayton: You mean because of the mildew?

Andrew Hill: Yeah.

Rob Dayton: I just got through doing that.

Bruce Hensley: Oh did you.

Rob Dayton: That's what I spent my day doing, pressure washing.

John Galles : Did you use Tylex? You mean, you did it here or ...

Rob Dayton: No, I used bleach.

Bruce Hensley: That mailbox needs refurbishing, it just needs sprucing up, 75 bucks and he can get is moved. By the way I told Jim, did Roger call him today?

Rob Dayton: Yeah.

Bruce Hensley: These 3 Bradford pears down here are not on his land.

Rob Dayton: Okay.

Bruce Hensley: I'm going to tell Dave to take them out because Roger doesn't want them.

Rob Dayton: These right here on the corner?

Bruce Hensley: Yep.


Rob Dayton: Okay.

Bruce Hensley: One of them is already dead and we're going to get this pressure washed as soon as Roger's trees are down.

Rob Dayton: It sound like this is a time [crosstalk 00:13:26].

John Galles : Help me understand here, if he doesn't get his mailbox fixed and he goes 30 days without it getting fixed, you're going to fine him 25 bucks a day until it gets fixed?

Bruce Hensley: That's correct. That's the plan.

John Galles : It doesn't sound right to me.

Bruce Hensley: These four are coming down.

Andrew Hill: He doesn't [inaudible 00:13:46].

Bruce Hensley: He's going to spray them for me to make sure, cause he's got these 4 right here, 1, 2, 3, 4 [inaudible 00:13:53].

John Galles : He'll enjoy that, he'll have more sound [inaudible 00:13:56].

Rob Dayton: [inaudible 00:13:55] Look at this one right here, it's dead and leaning anyway and you can't grow anything.

Bruce Hensley: He already soaks. Irrigated.

Andrew Hill: I think it's a mistake to try and put grass back in there.

Bruce Hensley: I've been wondering about that. It will need irrigation.

Andrew Hill: You also got a 2 foot wide shoulder.

Bruce Hensley: Yeah. I'm thinking grass definitely on this.

Andrew Hill: You could put grass down the median, but I'd almost run a row of shrubs if you want to do something decorative.

Bruce Hensley: Well, we're going to put some sort of tree, we don't know what yet. Eastern Redbud seems to be the top contender.

Andrew Hill: You can have shrubs in between the trees.



Andrew Hill: I wouldn't put any sod in there.

Bruce Hensley: Okay.

John Galles : What happens to the root structure when you take the trees out?

Rob Dayton: Does it rot eventually?

John Galles : Is it going to lose the strength that it's giving the side of that wall?

Andrew Hill: No.

John Galles : No.

Andrew Hill: They'll still do that, but that's a good question, like, if you're putting trees in, where are you putting the new trees in?

Bruce Hensley: 13.

Andrew Hill: Well where are they going? You won't be able to dig in that.

Bruce Hensley: I don't know. They're going to take it down. They're going to take the stump out. So I don't know.

Rob Dayton: No, it's not taking them out.

Andrew Hill: Yeah.

Rob Dayton: They're going to, yeah. I don't know. I'm going ...

Andrew Hill: I mean, it's going to be interesting putting how many trees, 13?

Bruce Hensley: 7 and 6, that's what they recommended. That's what Dave Hawk has recommended.

Andrew Hill: It's going to be interesting digging the holes for those things with the bank the way that it is.

John Galles : All the root structure in there.

Andrew Hill: And all the root structure that's leftover. You might be okay if you determine whether these trees are, and you plant in the middle of where these trees were.

Rob Dayton: Seven in the middle? I mean there's what 20?

Bruce Hensley: There's 24, there's 13 and 11, and we're talking about replacing 7 and ...


Rob Dayton: Well that's roughly every other one.

Bruce Hensley: Yeah, every two. We talking small Redbuds with about a 3 inch diameter, that's what he recommended. It also depends on what we can afford. If we wait a year, once we get more [inaudible 00:16:08] dues we can afford more. Unless we have any surprise expenses, but right now ...

John Galles : [inaudible 00:16:16], their leaf structure starts pretty low, and can run into the sidewalk.

Rob Dayton: You'll have to lift the skirt, that will be part of the maintenance.

Bruce Hensley: I like lifting skirts.

Rob Dayton: Yeah (laughs).

Bruce Hensley: You can rake.

Rob Dayton: I like lifting skirts better. I guess we'll have to do that. [inaudible 00:16:39]

Bruce Hensley: Yeah, I'm going to miss working on these.

John Galles : Have we spent a lot of maintenance on those?

Bruce Hensley: No, I do it. I do this side and Dave does that side.

Rob Dayton: We have to [inaudible 00:16:58] we don't spend anything on maintenance.

John Galles : Shoot, it sounds like a deal, we ought to keep doing it.

Rob Dayton: I don't see the issue with keeping it that way to be honest with you.

Bruce Hensley: I've got no issue, more than anything based on what we're proposing [inaudible 00:17:09]

Andrew Hill: You don't think the [inaudible 00:17:13] pressure washing with all the moss all over.

Bruce Hensley: I haven't even looked, that would be nice.

Andrew Hill: I mean, if you [inaudible 00:17:18] some of the mailboxes that you've gone under.

Bruce Hensley: This need refurbishing.

John Galles : I didn't even notice that.


Bruce Hensley: Well, we're going to give.

Andrew Hill: That's what I'm getting at.


Andrew Hill: That's were the problem lies, is what they're going to have to do.

John Galles : [inaudible 00:17:35] that was perceived by who?

Rob Dayton: I walk here everyday and I've never noticed, I noticed that. That's like a hood ornament.

Bruce Hensley: I think our authority does cover mailboxes, I don't think it covers front steps.

Andrew Hill: You're going after people's front yard.


Andrew Hill: Why can you go after the front yard, if you can't go after the front step. It's all aesthetic, I'll check the review stuff.

Rob Dayton: I've never noticed it.

Bruce Hensley: Some people like moss covered rock around. Aesthetically some people like vines on the front of their houses, we can't do anything about that.

Andrew Hill: Some people like weeds in their beds.

Rob Dayton: I will challenge you the authority of your comment, I'll challenge you to show [crosstalk 00:18:18]

John Galles : Some people like decorations on their garage doors, is that approved?

Andrew Hill: I know what you're saying Rob.

John Galles : Rob is that approved?

Rob Dayton: What's that?

John Galles : Were the decorations on the garage door approved?

Rob Dayton: Yeah, cause mine are like that.

John Galles : Were yours approved?


Rob Dayton: So is David Brittan's. That's a perfect example of ... We didn't have that when the neighborhood was build 15 years ago.

Bruce Hensley: Have what?

John Galles : The decorations on the garage door.

Rob Dayton: Those are things that we foresee. I was a real smart ass to Bruce and I said "Okay, where am I going to park my hover craft?" That is being a smart ass, and I don't mean it to be that way, but we can't foresee what's going to happen in 15 years it's going to be impossible.

John Galles : I think we stood in the way of your neighbors putting a garage door in that ...

Rob Dayton: Wooden.

John Galles : Wood or [inaudible 00:19:08] or something.

Rob Dayton: We did. I regret doing that.

Bruce Hensley: Nobody sends all the upgrade.

Andrew Hill: Like the approval of a door like that.

Rob Dayton: No, it was ...

Andrew Hill: What I'm saying is the approval of a door like that, like that door right there is 10 times nicer than that door.

Bruce Hensley: Absolutely.

Rob Dayton: Yeah, that's what [crosstalk 00:19:28] 10 years ago we prevented someone from making it nice which was stupid.

Andrew Hill: Like that right there makes the house look higher priced.


Andrew Hill: Than the next one.

Bruce Hensley: No question, I mean look at the [crosstalk 00:19:37]

Andrew Hill: We all have those.

Bruce Hensley: Right. When our dies we're getting one of these.

Rob Dayton: When you [inaudible 00:19:43] I didn't mind, you can get one of those.


John Galles : It's the same door, it's just the hardware on it.

Bruce Hensley: Exactly, really and truly.

John Galles : You have to wait for it to die.

Bruce Hensley: No. [inaudible 00:19:53] traffic that needs a cleaning but that's not part of our infractions and I think it [inaudible 00:20:02].

Andrew Hill: [inaudible 00:20:08] I don't know the [inaudible 00:20:06] this is an infraction in the front yard.

Bruce Hensley: It's taking up the [inaudible 00:20:11].

Andrew Hill: The pots in the front yard. I'd say the pots in the front yard is [inaudible 00:20:28].

Bruce Hensley: The pots?

Andrew Hill: Yeah, like the pots right there in Wayne's front yard. [inaudible 00:20:34]. I don't know if that's [inaudible 00:20:39] out or whatever, but Rob's got stuff to keep the [inaudible 00:20:46] at his house and you don't even see it.

Bruce Hensley: Knowing Lisa that's probably what it is. She can be really [inaudible 00:20:56]. The bottom limbs of the car backing in towards here.

Rob Dayton: I don't know what that is.

Bruce Hensley: That's got to be keeping deer off.

Rob Dayton: That's just [inaudible 00:21:02].

John Galles : From eating the lower leaves.

Andrews son: Away from it.

Bruce Hensley: This house, the bushes need trimming and I'd cut down a lot of this. You can't see from here but they never put their recycling bin in their garage [inaudible 00:21:20]. You've got to keep in mind that's a huge [inaudible 00:21:21]. Their mailbox needs refurbishing. I've never met these people. Bob's house is fine. His mailbox could use a refurbishing but not as bad this one and you can see the difference. The cauldrons he's got on the corner are empty but I don't consider that the same thing that Wayne has in his front yard where they're all trash.

He's the hose reel up front, and I think if you've got in a box or on a reel that's better than what this guy does, throw it out on the driveway and leave it forever. This mailbox technically doesn't fit in with what we're suppose to but


it's the same size and it's good enough it could use refurbishing. They've got a hose reel. Now this guy here, he's at the top of the list of infractions. He's had these shutters missing for months. Until last week he had lumber stacked up, rotting lumber under these 3 trees right here that looked like spiders [crosstalk 00:22:30]

Rob Dayton: This is the guy that had the ...

Bruce Hensley: This is the guy that had a 2 story ladder leaning up against his house for what? 4 months.

Rob Dayton: Yeah.

Bruce Hensley: Finally, Dave came and they took it down.

Rob Dayton: They took it down and laid it inside.

Bruce Hensley: It wasn't to fix that missing shutter because it was on the right side of that shutter. It was there for 4 months. I wrote him, I called him. Finally Dave [inaudible 00:22:46], because if he had climbed up that ladder and it a liability, so the hose, the shutters, it just looked lousy and he did finally clean this up. His mailbox still needs refurbishing, but this could be a target. Perfect example. It's a little better. My shutters fall off and you go to Lowe's and you get a thing and you drill it out and you paint it ...

Andrew Hill: I don't like [inaudible 00:23:21].

Bruce Hensley: Dave is a friend of this person.

Rob Dayton: [inaudible 00:23:28]

Bridget Graves: Who's down there?

Rob Dayton: Hello, what did you do to your foot?

Bridget Graves: Oh, I had some surgery, just a minor little something, no big deal. Am I violation of anything that I can take of right away?

Bruce Hensley: No, no. I just said, I worship you.

Bridget Graves: That's a temporary thing right there.

Bruce Hensley: The mailbox looks good. Your yard looks good. Your driveway is freshly cleaned.

John Galles : We talked about whether we ought to say something about the vines growing on your house.


Bridget Graves: Oh, you know what an effort that takes to get it to do that?

John Galles : I'm sure it does.

Bridget Graves: Dave just come in here.

Bruce Hensley: Are you trying to cut that thing out of here.

Bridget Graves: Oh, yeah, oh, oh.

Bruce Hensley: I'm kidding.

Bridget Graves: Oh yeah, we had to work really hard and it took me over 2 years to convince my husband that it was good idea and he didn't finish today.

Rob Dayton: [inaudible 00:24:04] teach him how to grow poison ivy.

Andrew Hill: Exactly.

Bridget Graves: Yeah, this doesn't destroy the brick. Andrew, you know that right?

Andrew Hill: That's right.

Bridget Graves: Okay. Which I need to call you because I want to do a whole cement thing in my backyard, like stamped concrete under the deck which is now just mud, so can I give you a call cause you're the expert on that?

Andrew Hill: Sounds good.

Bridget Graves: So the trees, they're getting ready to go out.

Rob Dayton: Tuesday.

Bridget Graves: Tuesday.

Rob Dayton: Do you know what you want?

Bridget Graves: We're sort of close, Lisa and I, we kind of want to do not all the exact same, we're thinking maybe every other. I didn't know that you were ground up the stumps which I think is great because you see, which I'm sure you've already seen, there is so little land to do anything other than where they really are. We thought if you put them further back and then did a zigzag but you can't go further back because then they're down the hill. Then you have to put some kind of something to keep the soil from going down. I don't usually go slow and walk on that side, but this side you'll see the construction stuff. The concrete, the bricks, the rebar.


John Galles : When you choose you trees would you consider how tall they'll be before the foliage is going to come out, because the ones I've seen are really pretty short and the foliage would come right back out on the sidewalk.

Bridget Graves: We're trying not to go with something as short as Bert's. We want something ... It's going to look really, really, really bare after these go which we understand, we totally understanding because these trees are just a pain, but we don't want to go back to tiny little saplings. We went to the nursery and we looked so we're still looking.

Bruce Hensley: If we have to wait a year until we have more money in the budget to get bigger tree or more trees or different trees, I mean, that's ...

Bridget Graves: Okay.

Bruce Hensley: That gives the grass more time to mature and maybe more research time and bring in an [arbor 00:26:08] to say what do we need to do.

Bridget Graves: Right.

Bruce Hensley: Just keep that in mind.


Bruce Hensley: I'm not suggesting that but that's an option.

Bridget Graves: No, I hear you. I'm just wondering.

Bruce Hensley: If we're going to plant it needs to be done between November and March.

Bridget Graves: Right, right. Sooner than rather than March right?

Andrew Hill: Yes.

Bridget Graves: November, December is the best time?

Andrew Hill: Yeah, I mean even ...

Bridget Graves: In this climate?

Rob Dayton: Right now, I mean ...

Andrew Hill: Yeah, you could still do it later in the beginning of the year.

Bridget Graves: You can, okay.


Andrew Hill: Especially in this condition, in November and December you're going to have to worry about erosion, it's going to be wet.

Bridget Graves: Which we clearly have that problem. I've seen in the past where there's a little grass but now that the trees are bigger and over they're over and then they're shady and then there's no grass and then the rain we've had. It's just been like a mud pit.

Rob Dayton: Would it be worth it just getting some of those blankets from Lowe's, those erosion blankets and just role them down, just getting level and rolling on the back side of it just ...

Bruce Hensley: I don't know.

Andrew Hill: Yeah, the blankets would definitely help.

Rob Dayton: I think just doing the first season here. They'll disintegrate and go away.

Andrew Hill: You have to staple those down.

Bruce Hensley: Andrew had an interesting idea about maybe some shrubs in between the trees, because Dave Hawk has suggested, and by the way we are going to take down the street light, which is back there, which is not really his back yard.

Bridget Graves: We talked to him about that so that was good.

Bruce Hensley: He called me today.


Bruce Hensley: What Dave Hawk is recommending is 6 trees on this side, or maybe 6 on this side and 7 and 6.

John Galles : Look at the holly bush that they planted over at Cedar Wood.

Bridget Graves: Well if you did go ... Mm‐hmm (affirmative)‐

John Galles : They've got that whole berm along the right side as you're going east on Pineville [inaudible 00:27:48] Road, was planted what? 3 or 4 years ago and it's filled in, it's almost a nice hedge there now, that could fill in between the trees.

Rob Dayton: That's low maintenance.

Bridget Graves: That's true, you've got to trim them.

Rob Dayton: I have trim mine every other month.


Bridget Graves: That's something that you guys don't do.

Rob Dayton: Right, right, absolutely.

Bridget Graves: I'm just saying, that would make it easy.

John Galles : They're green year round too.

Bridget Graves: Dave just goes and you once in a while come clip them, but you're right on the bushes. 6 trees and 7 trees versus how many trees right now makes it seem kind of not as nice, but if they're the right size then I would understand that. If we're going to go maybe 6 trees where there's currently 11 well then we wouldn't want them to be little tiny saplings. I'm not planning on going anywhere anytime soon, but I would like to see them bloom before I die.

Bruce Hensley: Are you guys consulting an arborist, or you're just [crosstalk 00:28:39]

Bridget Graves: We just talked to the people at Pike's but we're most certain open to ... Of course, of course.

Bruce Hensley: We might want to bring in somebody other than Dave Hawk, let's get a second opinion, he's good at taking them down and ...

Bridget Graves: I like the people at Heartwood.

Bruce Hensley: That's the most expensive place in the country.

Bridget Graves: I know. I wasn't suggesting to have them do our trees, but they're not bad on advice.

Bruce Hensley: Oh yeah, they'd be great.

Bridget Graves: Right, right. I send them to a lot of my clients. I know, I'm frugal. I wouldn't want them to be cutting trees or replacing trees, because I get it, they're expensive.

Bruce Hensley: He's probably be 5 times [inaudible 00:29:18]

Bridget Graves: I know he's expensive but is Dave as good at planting trees and suggesting trees as he is taking them down?

Bruce Hensley: That's a good question. I don't know.

Rob Dayton: That's a good question.

Bridget Graves: Right, right. We're all in agreement. We want it to look nice and those have looked nice for a long time but now they're just really ....


Bruce Hensley: A tree this nice.

Bridget Graves: Snap and falling.

Rob Dayton: I'm surprised we didn't have [inaudible 00:29:46] the last couple of years. I thought about that. I was in Boone last weekend with the wind and there was Bradford Pear split in half.

Bridget Graves: You know what's funny, they just don't look that big, until the one we lost last, no not last year.

Rob Dayton: Two years ago.

Bridget Graves: Two years ago and it went across the road and you're thinking "Oh big is that?" So we're out there and we're trying to move, it was a little bit heavier and bigger when it hit the ground than when you're standing under it. It just has this optical illusion like "I'll just pull this big old branch." I know, it didn't work like that.

Bruce Hensley: All right.


Rob Dayton: I guess I don't have an opinion on it because I don't see it.

Bruce Hensley: Have you talked to any of the other folks in the circle or is it just you and Lisa. Everybody got the memo.

Bridget Graves: Oh yeah, no, they don't care, they don't care. Everyone's fine.

Bruce Hensley: Okay, cool.

Bridget Graves: Everyone's fine.

John Galles : Good to see you.

Bridget Graves: All right, thank you. Good seeing you. All right. Sounds good on no violations.

John Galles : Thanks for having such a wonderful property. We're going to have the sidewalks pressure washed as soon as the trees are down too and tell them to stop where it's obvious that the keep theirs clean.

Bridget Graves: We try, we try.

John Galles : You do great.

Bridget Graves: I don't want to get any of those nasty grams from the [inaudible 00:30:57]. Thank you gentleman.


John Galles : Thanks Bridget.

Rob Dayton: From what I understand it's not easy.

Andrew Hill: No, it just gets worse. Every time I walk the dog here I wonder how he gets over that.

Rob Dayton: Repelling over.

Bruce Hensley: Helicopter. [inaudible 00:31:16] [crosstalk 00:31:14] there's a lot more room.

Rob Dayton: Here's some of the construction debris that she's talking about where they just dumped cement. There's some up there on the left.

Bruce Hensley: Cement?

Rob Dayton: Cement. When they were done laying the sidewalk.

Andrew Hill: Cement.

John Galles : Here's a big old chunk of it that they threw into the woods there I think.

Rob Dayton: I think it will be fine, I just wouldn't want something chew off a paw and chew off [inaudible 00:31:45], [crosstalk 00:31:47].

John Galles : Concrete?

Bruce Hensley: Concrete.

Rob Dayton: Yeah it looks like.

Andrew Hill: This side is completely different than the other side.

John Galles : Cement chunks coming up right here.

Andrew Hill: Yeah.

Rob Dayton: She said there was rebar somewhere but I've never seen any rebar, but right here the ... It just leaked out from under where they had a spring.

Andrew Hill: So what are you going to do, are you going to cut this and spread this all out and put new sod down?

Rob Dayton: Overseed.

Andrew Hill: Are you going to put soil in?


Rob Dayton: I don't know, we need to.

Andrew Hill: Yeah.

Bruce Hensley: Do you think?

Andrew Hill: You can seed that all day long and it won't ...

Rob Dayton: Another [inaudible 00:32:33] to grab a hold of.

Andrew Hill: Soil being the most problem, [inaudible 00:32:41].

John Galles : Yeah.

Andrew Hill: What's Bob done?

Bruce Hensley: Bob's having his porch redone and his mailbox.

John Galles : He's already done.

Bruce Hensley: Are they done?

John Galles : Yeah.

Bruce Hensley: His mailbox is dreadful and he knows it. He knows it needs refurbishing.

Rob Dayton: All right, we're have way there.

Bruce Hensley: Yep. [inaudible 00:33:07], [inaudible 00:33:35]. I don't know what's supposed to be and what ain't. I don't know if we should move those and put shrubs in.

John Galles : The next thing to do is take the tree out because if you trim the hedge off the sides you're going to end up with all the sticks coming out. We took one out already.

Rob Dayton: Is that yours or his?

Bruce Hensley: That's yours.

John Galles : They're probably both ours. I think the light one is just to the right to the mechanical box there, somewhere right down here.

Rob Dayton: The sidewalk usually.

Bruce Hensley: Is this is it?

John Galles : No it's not that far.


Bruce Hensley: All right, where is it?

John Galles : Hell, I don't know.

Andrew Hill: [inaudible 00:34:40]

John Galles : Yeah, right.

Bruce Hensley: I have to tell you, I'm not picking on you, I'm just telling you the way it is all, of all the calls and all the emails and all the conversations I've seen in the neighborhood, your yard is at the top of the list, over the noisy neighbors, over shitty [inaudible 00:34:52], over everything, including some of the real estate agents.

John Galles : Well I've had it looked at, they say take the trees out and put dirt on top.

Bruce Hensley: Have you talked to Charles?

John Galles : No I've not talked to Charles. He put the tree in when he moved in. It's his tree, it's not mine.

Rob Dayton: Oh, that one?

John Galles : Yep. You can't do anything with all the root structure in the ground. It's a bad tree to plant in the front yard anyway.

Bruce Hensley: What is it?

Andrew Hill: It's a Birch.

Rob Dayton: Birch.

John Galles : River Birch.

Rob Dayton: That's [inaudible 00:35:26] up everywhere.

Bruce Hensley: The mailbox needs refurbishing. Then the little sprouts coming up, the Oak sprouts coming through.

John Galles : Those get trimmed once a year anyway.

Bruce Hensley: You've got to pull them up so they don't grow back, because they're not part of the

John Galles : If you've got time to do it, you can come and do it. I'm not going to pay 25 bucks a day for that crap.


Rob Dayton: What happened to your yard?

Bruce Hensley: A yard crew can probably do it.

Rob Dayton: Now have you ...

John Galles : This is my fault now.

Rob Dayton: Have you thought about taking the downspout and trenching it and you could probably trench it and come in like in the ...

Bruce Hensley: Curb.

Rob Dayton: ... well, where the joint is right here and would be very unnoticeable. My thought is ... I think that's the biggest ... I'm not Andrew but just looking at it I think that would be the biggest problem with this washout here because [crosstalk 00:36:25]

John Galles : It's a terrible washout.

Rob Dayton: I just did it my backyard just this spring because the same thing, I've got trees back there.

John Galles : The water comes all the way from Charles's yard because you see it goes right up to their front door, so it's draining in this direction.

Bruce Hensley: Well, they could come in and consult [inaudible 00:36:50].

John Galles : I've got them coming in and seeding and aerating but there's only so much you can do with that because it gets washed away again.

Bruce Hensley: Someone has got to have a solution.

John Galles : I mean if we could reach a reasonable conclusion I'd sure like to figure out how to do it initially.

Rob Dayton: I think I would do that just for ... I believe that ... You've got a crawlspace right?

John Galles : Yeah.

Rob Dayton: Have you been up in this corner?

John Galles : It's all dry.

Rob Dayton: Is it? It looks like, it's sloping this way I know but it's certainly sloping that way, that's kind of scary.


John Galles : It's dry. We had it all papered and blocked and everything.

Rob Dayton: I sure wish we could figure out something because this is the number one complaint that I get.

John Galles : If we take the 2 trees out we can do something with it, but ...

Rob Dayton: You think this Oak tree is causing this?

John Galles : This Oak tree if you look them up has drippings that kill grass. Look at all the oak nuts in the ...

Rob Dayton: Yeah.

John Galles : It does. You can overseed it and throw stuff back on it, but with the wash off

Rob Dayton: I would be more concerned about the root structure.

John Galles : Over there.

Rob Dayton: Yeah. I didn't know that about the ...

John Galles : This is worse than that.

Rob Dayton: Yeah, that's a good point.

John Galles : This is where the wash comes, that's more the roots.

Bruce Hensley: Now we're here at this house, I'm perpetual ...

John Galles : I would happy to hear some recommendations.

Bruce Hensley: [inaudible 00:38:23] [crosstalk 00:38:23]

John Galles : What I've gotten are not good enough yet.

Bruce Hensley: ... and their trashcans out, that would be an infraction. The mailbox is one of the worse in the neighborhood. Currently a pretty good job, I hate this, they park on the street and look what they're doing, they're trenching up and now it's muddy.

Andrew Hill: When this neighborhood was designed all rules were broken because you're not allowed to drain from a neighboring lot to another lot. All of the irrigation comes from the neighboring house next door to me and comes into my yard and then sits next to my patio. That's the reason that when you go to most neighborhoods that you see swells in between lot lines and stuff.


The solution for you is ... I don't have a problem with Oak trees and grass, there's Oak trees all over the place. We have an Oak tree over there and grass will still grow under it, if the canopy is a little bit higher and things along those lines. Where the problem is, all of this drainage is coming over from Charles's yard and his bushes. What needs to happen is he need to have a bigger cut, like his is flat, it needs to have more of a slope in it and then there needs to be a swell that's dug in basically right down here so that when all the water comes down this way you've got some water coming down this way and it's all swelling out and coming out here. That's the only thing that going to prevent all of this water from coming over this way.

John Galles : That's right.

Bruce Hensley: Digging a trench like that and put a drain in it.

Rob Dayton: Then you could bring in topsoil and plant grass and not have to worry about it.

Bruce Hensley: Yeah, yep.

Rob Dayton: Do you have people that you can get in touch.

John Galles : If the water ran down here that would work.

Andrew Hill: I have people.

Rob Dayton: That's the only thing, there's been a lot people to do it.

Bruce Hensley: John I would challenge the Oak think because grass is growing here.

Rob Dayton: Andrew just said you need to raise the canopy and then trench it.

Bruce Hensley: Okay, okay. You need to raise a skirt.

Rob Dayton: Raise a skirt ...

Andrew Hill: Just a tiny bit.

Rob Dayton: ... because he's got one with grass under it.

John Galles : I did study it and was told that it does have an acid that is not good for yards. If we were to do it all over again, I mean I hate to take out a tree that size because first of all.

Rob Dayton: Well it's not yours is it?

John Galles : No it's not.


Bruce Hensley: Is that the property line, is that?

John Galles : The property line is just ...

Andrew Hill: Probably half of it belongs to you and the other half belongs to Charles.

John Galles : They put it in.

Rob Dayton: I've got half of a chainsaw.

John Galles : Somebody put it in.

Rob Dayton: I kind of looks like it's been there a while.

John Galles : Yeah, probably more than 16 years.

Rob Dayton: I would think so.

Bruce Hensley: Cut down and we'll see, count the rings.

Rob Dayton: It's a problem and I don't have an easy solution.

John Galles : Maybe Andrew can recommend some folks to talk, I mean ...

Rob Dayton: This makes it [inaudible 00:41:29] washout and you can see it's kind of overflowing ..

Bruce Hensley: ... the sidewalk. That becomes a ...

John Galles : What are you recommending?

Bruce Hensley: I'm just saying when the washout puts the mud on the sidewalk I always have a concern about somebody, if it was wet and muddy, somebody slipping and falling.

Andrew Hill: Yeah, man it's just a lot ...

John Galles : It's a river when it's raining.

Andrew Hill: Yeah.

Rob Dayton: I'm sure.

Bruce Hensley: This guy, as I just said, recycling trash bins are always out and mailbox needs refurbishing. Charles did a great job over the last couple of years and it doesn't happen overnight, we all know that.


Andrew Hill: He does a great job every fall, but July and August it all dies back and he throws all the same money on it.

Bruce Hensley: Does he not have a?

Rob Dayton: He does, he irrigates.

Andrew Hill: He's got everything. The problem he doesn't have is he doesn't have a shield to stop the sun from shining over the front of this yard.

Rob Dayton: Right, that's the thing, we all deal ... The only way to fix that is Bermuda grass. It is the only grass that will be hardy in the south in July and August.

Andrew Hill: Right.

John Galles : Andrew's house has got a dented mailbox.

Bruce Hensley: His mailbox is misshaped.

John Galles : Yeah he does.

Bruce Hensley: I can't get the door to open to put stuff in it.

Andrew Hill: Yeah, I spent $75.00 on that mailbox and then vandals came through and smashed them all to pieces.

John Galles : Yep, that happens pretty regularly.

Andrew Hill: I had trouble with the mailbox. The postmaster probably hates me, I think my wife hates me.

John Galles : I think there's 3 of them that way.


John Galles : Yep.

Andrew Hill: Then the front bed needs to be planted. Probably need to do a little bit of pruning on the [crosstalk 00:43:08].

John Galles : This swell goes down into your backyard, is that what you're saying?

Andrew Hill: Yeah, that whole yard slope that way into our back yard. Do you realize that if I put a fence all the way up to the corner of the house they wouldn't be able to get their backyard.

John Galles : Oh, is that right, it's that close?


Bruce Hensley: He learned that when he [crosstalk 00:43:22]

Andrew Hill: My property line is where that Cherry tree is.

Rob Dayton: That's [inaudible 00:43:26] far.

Bruce Hensley: If I put this back there will you trash it for me?

Andrew Hill: Yeah, I'll recycle it for you.

Bruce Hensley: Well.

Rob Dayton: Put it in that dented mailbox.

Bruce Hensley: Hey, there's an 1982 newspaper in your mailbox.

Andrew Hill: Oh, we need to remove that? I spoke to Mr. Miller.

Bruce Hensley: Yeah, I thought he was going to ...

Andrew Hill: He's going to make some improvement.

Bruce Hensley: You guys take out that whole corner?

Andrew Hill: He's taking the front 2 trees out in the front, he's taking these junky things out back here.

Rob Dayton: The Crepe Myrtles?

Andrew Hill: No the ...

Bruce Hensley: That's the biggest problem we have the neighborhood right there.

Andrew Hill: The dwarf Burford's that have just gone off on their own.


Andrew Hill: Then the shrubs in front of the garage he wants to put new stuff in there. See, he has a drainage problem, see how all of the drainage slopes towards his driveway. Every time it rains all the water comes onto his driveway.

Bruce Hensley: Oh man.

Andrew Hill: There is no way to solve it.

Rob Dayton: Without taking the driveway up.


Andrew Hill: It's not an easy fix for John and Charles, but you could dig a swell in, not an easy fix, but you could dig a swell in. There's nothing he can do here. What I was going to suggest for them is that he almost needs to dig basically a dry well. He needs to have a 12 inch wide or 18 inch wide channel 3 feet deep full of rock so every time it rains that just fills up and it will just filter into the ground and it won't all run onto his thing. The only other thing that he can do that would prevent it from happening, is he could build a small cheek wall. If he built a small brick wall the same size as those pots and had it come off the side of his garage and curve around the side of driveway then he can build up to that. He can build up to the wall so all the water is going back the other way.

John Galles : The water just won't wash the fill‐in away from [crosstalk 00:45:22]

Rob Dayton: It would go against the wall.

Andrew Hill: It would go against the wall so it would channel it all back out into the middle.

Bruce Hensley: Water control remains [inaudible 00:45:33]

John Galles : Submerge too?

Andrew Hill: Yeah.

John Galles : Same as y'all?

Andrew Hill: Yeah and the same as the one in between our house and Peter's house, that's got that gigantic canopy on it, you can see it right there.

John Galles : Oh yeah. [inaudible 00:45:45]

Bruce Hensley: I've never seen anything wrong this, pretty nice.

John Galles : This is as good as Mark [Fritz's 00:45:58].

Andrew Hill: Yeah.

Bruce Hensley: The mailbox appears to be in pretty good shape, the same thing with the [inaudible 00:46:04].

Rob Dayton: I don't like the blue twine.

Andrew Hill: The kitty with the tape on the driveway?

Rob Dayton: No the blue twine and the cloth tape on his house. We need more of a ... I've got to do something, can I come over [inaudible 00:46:22]

John Galles : How are you?


Andrew Hill: Does this need refurbishing?

Bruce Hensley: Yes, yes.

Speaker 2: Can I get an honorable mention for the fact that I redid that fire hydrant a while ago.

Rob Dayton: Did you really?

Speaker 2: Yeah. When Janie was here?

Rob Dayton: He had to straighten it. It needs to be straightened.

Speaker 2: Yeah we tried it out.

Rob Dayton: It's crooked.

Speaker 2: It is crooked.

Bruce Hensley: You're going to ...

Speaker 2: I'm not the installer, I'm only the painter.

Rob Dayton: Push it real hard, it'll move over.

Speaker 2: I was thinking we might use the chain that we yank and [inaudible 00:46:50] property, to get this property's hydrant right.

John Galles : There you go. You can take down my tree for me.

Rob Dayton: Take the beer, chain and the [inaudible 00:47:04]

Bruce Hensley: I hate the people [inaudible 00:47:06]

John Galles : [inaudible 00:47:09]

Bruce Hensley: [inaudible 00:47:13]


Andrew Hill: Theo has 2 days off a week with no kids.


John Galles : Yeah.


Rob Dayton: What else have you got to do. I've got to play golf.

Andrew Hill: You don't play golf.

Bruce Hensley: It's a new mailbox because the Canadian movers hit it and knocked it over.

Andrew Hill: The what did?

Rob Dayton: Did they move?

Bruce Hensley: The Canadian hits them. The Canadians hit them. People doing some stuff [inaudible 00:47:36]. I don't see any infractions on the house.

Rob Dayton: That's pretty isn't it?

John Galles : Mm‐hmm (affirmative).

Rob Dayton: Look for all the acorns. I have one of those in my backyard, it falls down and then I overseed and the damn squirrels dig down and get the acorns out.

John Galles : Probably got a few trees growing in your yard too.

Rob Dayton: Yeah.

Bruce Hensley: She sometimes leaves her recycling and trash bins out on the corner there for days on in but not always, not like the people across John.

John Galles : Just when it smells really bad.

Bruce Hensley: I don't know.

Rob Dayton: What's the deal with the driveway?

Bruce Hensley: Other than runoff, I know there's drainage of rain.

John Galles : Free standing rain water.

Bruce Hensley: She does have it cleaned every now and then. We're going to have our steamed as soon as we're overseeded next week. I try not to have any infractions. Linda did our mailbox a couple of years ago and it still looks okay.

A fresh coat of paint. This is all weeds and the mailbox is dreadful. I've spent thousands and thousands of dollars over the last 14 years on my yard and then this shit will creep over into it and then brown spots will creep over. I've had 2 of their trees taken down, [inaudible 00:48:56] property. They had a tree right here that was taken down 2 years ago and this one was taken down this year. Of course they plant over it, they just let the weeds.


Rob Dayton: You had them taken out?

Bruce Hensley: I had them taken out. I arranged for it and then Brent paid Dave Hawk, he did them both.

Rob Dayton: It's amazing. There's not a blade of grass in this [crosstalk 00:49:14]

Bruce Hensley: No, huh‐uh (negative), there isn't.

Rob Dayton: 100 percent crabgrass.

Bruce Hensley: I killed their fire ants earlier this week.

Rob Dayton: No you didn't, you just moved them out. Talking about the flood they had ... A group of fire ants that evidently when they get washed like that they make a raft.

Bruce Hensley: I saw that.

Rob Dayton: Yeah.

Bruce Hensley: Look at this mailbox, it's leaning, it doesn't even have a flag on it, the numbers are missing, that's just terrible. The only other option to me is have her do it, and then bill the homeowner.

Rob Dayton: That's crazy.

Bruce Hensley: That is, when they put the mail in the box literally they [inaudible 00:50:02] flag up. The only infraction on this house I see is the mailbox.

Rob Dayton: Yeah this has got to go, I just noticed that on the way back.

Bruce Hensley: You've got an $800,000.00 house with Mylar numbers, are you serious?

Rob Dayton: Wal Mart numbers.

Bruce Hensley: That would drive me nuts.

Rob Dayton: They've actually sprayed it since they've put these numbers on.

Bruce Hensley: Yeah, you're right.

Rob Dayton: There's over spray on those number. Unbelievable.

Bruce Hensley: That would be a ... You don't do that on an $800,000.00 house which is what this is.


Andrew Hill: Yeah, that's pretty bad.

Rob Dayton: That's ridiculously redneck right there.

Bruce Hensley: I ain't a fan of the color of the door but it's actually kind of grown on me.

Rob Dayton: You know, there's something to be said for something that ain't white.


Rob Dayton: Matt by the way is taking and peeling all of this off.

Bruce Hensley: He just did it.

Rob Dayton: Making it a natural area. They're going to dig it up.

Andrew Hill: That I would like.

John Galles : Making it what?

Rob Dayton: A natural area, just mulch. Not having the grass at all. I don't know why. He didn't want to mess with it.

John Galles : I know he purposely planted this.

Rob Dayton: He just did this not too long ago, right? What is it [inaudible 00:51:14]

John Galles : Ten years ago.

Andrew Hill: [inaudible 00:51:18].

John Galles : Yeah, it's been quite a while.

Rob Dayton: I remember when it was done, it couldn't have been 10 years ago, but you're probably right.

Bruce Hensley: This is what you're talking about here on ...

Rob Dayton: This was coming out here you said.

Andrew Hill: Yeah.

Bruce Hensley: Why do we have such bad buyers around here?

Rob Dayton: You would think the builder would put a drain right here, right? Wouldn't that make sense.


John Galles : That's what Andrew, that they ignored those rules when they built this neighborhood.

Bruce Hensley: James is pretty conscious. Let's see what he has [inaudible 00:51:58] and here he is. When you have your doubts about [inaudible 00:52:07].

Rob Dayton: Kenny and I walked this neighborhood, he had to sell some books. It was the first time I had ever seen him knock on a door.

Bruce Hensley: Their mailbox needs refurbishing, that's the only issue I've got here.

Andrew Hill: Hey guys, I don't think I need to continue walking.


Andrew Hill: I appreciate your time.

Bruce Hensley: We are going to go to the Welch's if you have some thoughts on that one.

Andrew Hill: The Welch's.

Bruce Hensley: Two more on the right.

John Galles : Why don't you walk down with us on that and then you can ...

Andrew Hill: Okay.

Bruce Hensley: That's got serious issues.

Andrew Hill: Yeah.

Bruce Hensley: That's effecting this neighborhood.

Andrew Hill: You were going to say something.

Bruce Hensley: The mailbox needs refurbishing.

Andrew Hill: You and I have discussed it, I still have ... I appreciate what you guys are trying to do and what you are trying to do makes a lot of sense because really all you're trying to do is increase the value of everybody's home.

John Galles : Exactly.

Andrew Hill: Living in a nice looking neighborhood and I appreciate that. I think it's going to be challenge, the subjectivity of a lot of it.

Bruce Hensley: Certainly, I agree with you. I think I told John we don't want to fine people.


Andrew Hill: Yeah.

Bruce Hensley: We want just people to take a little bit of extra incentive just to do the little, little things, like the mailboxes, to add bushes and recycling bins [crosstalk 00:53:44]

Rob Dayton: There's some homes that doesn't look like they belong on Raintree Lane.

Andrew Hill: Yeah, that's what we're trying to avoid. I mean, there's a lot of stuff. I think it's great, Like Wayne I guarantee you, like you say, he probably doesn't even realize those pots are there. If we reminder. He'll like "Oh, I'm so sorry I will move the pots." You'll get that kind of stuff, but the other thing too is ...

John Galles : If we move them he might not ever know.

Andrew Hill: I don't want to be a negative nancy like my wife says I can be but it will amaze me if it passes. I will be amazed if the people in this neighborhood ... If you get the houses that you need ... What you're trying to do is fantastic.

Rob Dayton: Would you vote for it?

Andrew Hill: I don't know yet.

Bruce Hensley: Okay, so I guess my thing, I appreciate questions. I like it better when questions are offered with solutions.

Andrew Hill: Yeah.

Bruce Hensley: I understand where you're coming from because we've had a conversation for a long time. What would you suggest then? What would be your suggestion?

Andrew Hill: I would say like you probably need to define what is okay. You need to define what's good. What's acceptable. What is not acceptable and not necessarily take a photo of people houses in this neighborhood but of similar conditions elsewhere or off the internet or whatever saying this is what your yard should look like. This is what your grass should look like. This is what your driveway should look like. You've got to get examples to where some someone says "Oh, okay, well mine doesn't so this is what you voted for, you voted for your mailbox to look like this."

John Galles : You almost need a set of standards rather than infractions.

Andrew Hill: Yes. You need a set of examples because...

John Galles : What you value and what someone else values could be entirely different.

Andrew Hill: Absolutely.


Rob Dayton: I guess my thought is that I'm not inclined to try to define down to the very lowest common denominator because the standard will change.

Andrew Hill: I don't think that you need to do that, like telling somebody they need to get empty plant pots out of their front yard, you don't need a standard for that. Telling somebody what a uniform stand of grass, taking a photograph of that and you adding that as an example of this is what your front yard or your backyard or whatever it is needs to look like. I have no problem with that.

John Galles : That's if you use grass. You have to use Fescue or you have to use ...

Andrew Hill: Yeah, absolutely.

John Galles : Or can you make it natural.

Rob Dayton: I guess that's where to me it is and maybe I'm just a simpleton but it is understood when we talk about an acceptable stand of grass I just inherently understand what that means. I can draw it, I can picture it and I can take you to one and I can take you to one that doesn't fit. I guess that's my thing is I'm afraid to. I really don't want to define things like that because then there's no ... If we define it as a stand of grass and Matt wants to a natural area then now it doesn't fit.

Andrew Hill: It does because if he doesn't have a good stand of grass then it needs to be fixed, but if he wants to go to a natural area that's a completely different issue. He could have the most spectacular natural area that this city of Charlotte has ever seen.

John Galles : I don't know if I could ...

Andrew Hill: It could be better than any uniform stand of grass but if you have grass this is the standard you need to go by. All I'm saying Rob is is they're not going to vote for some group coming here and tell them what's wrong with their house.

Rob Dayton: Let's be honest. The challenge is the more [crosstalk 00:57:44] we have the same 9 households who come to the meeting every year anyway. Our work is cut out for us.

Andrew Hill: Right.

Rob Dayton: There is no question.

Andrew Hill: Right.

Rob Dayton: It's going to take a door to door by every board member and every ARC member and we're asking when we all agree to this, then we then put in that time, energy and effort on all of our parts to do it. It's going to take nothing less than


that. It may or may not pass the first time because the biggest problem if we didn't have such bad apathy in this neighborhood we wouldn't be to this point. That's my opinion. If we didn't have this we wouldn't be to this point.

Bruce Hensley: Do you think it's apathy?

Rob Dayton: Yeah and cultural differences. Some people just don't care.

John Galles : Some people don't have solution like my yard. I could have overseeded it and [inaudible 00:58:40] the last 6 years and it would have washed away every year.

Rob Dayton: No, you could have spent that money. There's a solution, it's not easy.

John Galles : You have your solution and I'll have my solution. Which is appropriate?

Rob Dayton: The one that get grass in the yard.

Andrew Hill: What's appropriate is if you want to have grass in your yard then it needs to look like that.

Rob Dayton: Not this.

Bruce Hensley: This house is vacant. Odessa and Jim Welch are both in a home, a separate home, I think, and the 2 daughters are overseeing this property which is a problem.


John Galles : They can take out the grass and make that natural and leave the tree there.

Rob Dayton: The problem is you can't see when you're making a left out of that street you can't see past it, it's become an issue.

Bruce Hensley: This is a Bradford pear, that should probably go. All these bushes are dead.

Andrew Hill: This house is a joke.

Bruce Hensley: Yeah, this kills a lot of sales in this neighborhood. I mean, how long was what's her names house [crosstalk 00:59:47].

Rob Dayton: The truth of the matter is this house hurts itself. You can't leave a house vacant like that.

Bruce Hensley: Poison ivy on the back. Let's go around back, I'll show you what Mark gets to look at. Obviously the mailbox.

John Galles : What do they intend to do with it?


Bruce Hensley: Mark is in contact with the daughter. They're always late on their bills and he has to ... I mean they're months late, months and months. Mark has to ...

Rob Dayton: Andrew would it be too much ask [inaudible 01:00:21]

Bruce Hensley: That's a Bradford pear, that's a Bradford, [inaudible 01:00:25] pretty. I don't know, I'd probably take that one out.


John Galles : Somebody's got a fire burning. Is that you Rob?

Rob Dayton: No that's Mark watching the football game.

John Galles : Who?

Rob Dayton: Mark.

John Galles : Oh.

Rob Dayton: He had a tree down last weekend, knocked down the fence and almost ...

Bruce Hensley: Look at the gutter. Look at this. Mark is really the only that has a view of this.

Andrew Hill: Yeah, it's a shame that they take incredible care ...

Bruce Hensley: Home and garden

Andrew Hill: ... of their own.

Rob Dayton: He takes more care of this house than the people that own it do.

Bruce Hensley: This is unacceptable, the front and back, look at the door. This isn't really visible to the general public driving by but [inaudible 01:01:35] and the rotten wood up there, rotting wood and we can't let this happen.

Andrew Hill: It's just going to continue to deteriorate.

Rob Dayton: The worse it gets, the more rapid it gets.

Bruce Hensley: This house will eventually eat itself. A vacant house doesn't work.

Rob Dayton: If I'm looking to buy a house in this neighborhood and I happen to go over here and look at this, I'm thinking well that's a weak HOA. They don't give a shit. How many other houses are going to fall in disrepair. That's 16 years old and it looks like that.


John Galles : My front porch got rotten wood like. They used poor wood in the first place.

Rob Dayton: Mm‐hmm (affirmative). I've had both of my dormers worked on. [crosstalk 01:02:16]

Andrew Hill: What does Mark say about the girl?

Bruce Hensley: Now they put in plastic wood.

Rob Dayton: It actually was rotten but it twisted and fell down.

John Galles : Where does the drainage go from here?

Andrew Hill: The drainage goes [inaudible 01:02:36]. I mean, that's the thing that I'm talking about. When these lots were designed. The drainage from here goes onto Mark's wall is where is goes. If the wall wasn't built, I mean, the drainage is not going out that way which it should.

Bruce Hensley: He's done a lot of work to keep it.

John Galles : [inaudible 01:02:53] the wall would be gone. I want you see one more [inaudible 01:02:55]

Andrew Hill: All right.

Bruce Hensley: Here's a thought you guys. Let's switch over and go down this side, we'll be on the route to my house. No you're good, he's good, you're good. You got your mailbox done. That's like Home and Garden or Home Beautiful.

Andrew Hill: There's a weed in your cherry tree.

Bruce Hensley: You need to trim your bushes there sport.

Rob Dayton: It was supposed to be done yesterday and they're doing it Saturday. We found a deal, I told you 4 hours of bush trimming for $70.00 on Angie's List.

Bruce Hensley: That's pretty good. I think Danny is controlling his [inaudible 01:03:45]. I think Mark advised him on how to ... That needs to be refurbished. I would like for that to be good.

Andrew Hill: Yeah.

John Galles : This house sold didn't it?

Rob Dayton: Mm‐hmm (affirmative).

John Galles : Nobody moving it?


Rob Dayton: Yeah, they're in, they've been in.

John Galles : Oh, they're in.

Bruce Hensley: Yeah, that's a little unkempt. That pine tree is an accident. (Lawnmower)

Rob Dayton: Put some spray on it.

John Galles : What's this?


John Galles : Is that an electrical wire?


John Galles : Is that electrical?

Rob Dayton: They were doing some tree removal so they put ... I don't know what they did here but they put ... I saw where they had marked it and then ...

Bruce Hensley: Three of them removed.

Rob Dayton: Yeah.

John Galles : [inaudible 01:04:39] 1, 2, 3.

Rob Dayton: Friday they had this ... All this was from where the thing that cuts everything up and they blew it.

Bruce Hensley: Watch that thing there.

John Galles : Walk around the left side of it.


Bruce Hensley: Not only the yard, but the weeds that are 3 and 4 feet tall but there's junk on the wood pile, I mean, just shit, old furniture, there's a shutter that's down. This stove pipe is an uninsulated stove pipe from a sauna that they installed themselves. I called 311 on behalf of [Lasetta 01:05:33] to see if that was against any code. They said they came out and they said "Okay, they didn't have any violation."

Rob Dayton: The permit from when they fixed 6 years ago is still in the front window, so you go look and check that out.

Andrew Hill: That's brittle.


Rob Dayton: There's a ...

Bruce Hensley: Look at all the shit [crosstalk 01:05:48]

John Galles : How is this a wall? Is the wall secure?

Bruce Hensley: The wall [inaudible 01:05:58].

Rob Dayton: Andrew, look at this. [inaudible 01:05:57] Toy, they even have kids there. I guess they do. On the other side of the blue pile apparently they ...

John Galles : Which is Lasetta's house?

Bruce Hensley: This one. She sees snakes and rats and 4 feet weeds. This shutter has been down for months.

Rob Dayton: Months, it been down for years. We're watching you.

Bruce Hensley: Hey, we're watching you.

Speaker 3: Do we need to go?

Bruce Hensley: How are you?

Speaker 4: You guys want to go around back you can too.

Bruce Hensley: I'm showing them your views, can we see more from the back?

Speaker 4: Yeah, you can totally go. We have a tree that's falling so don't walk under it. We're going to take it down.

Rob Dayton: Can we have the firewood?

Speaker 4: It's Hickory so we're going to save it.

Rob Dayton: Oh.

John Galles : Yeah, that's good.

Speaker 4: He said he would cut it down for us.

John Galles : Somebody will buy it from you.

Speaker 4: We have some much wood back that.

Rob Dayton: When did it fall?


Speaker 4: During the storm.

Rob Dayton: Because Mark had one that fell as well.

Speaker 4: Yeah, it's leaning up on some other trees, but he checked it out and the roots are hold it, so we're going to try it.

Bruce Hensley: We're actually having [inaudible 01:07:01], we found a deal for some [inaudible 01:07:03]

Rob Dayton: See that, this is bad, they've never put their recycling bin there. The [Sasenkos 01:07:11]. They're Russian.

John Galles : You've talked to them?

Rob Dayton: No, Lasetta has. The issue is their daughter Emily is best friends with [inaudible 01:07:25].

Speaker 4: [inaudible 01:07:30]

Rob Dayton: So it makes it difficult when your daughters are best friends. [inaudible 01:07:32] They're fucking pigs.

John Galles : Yeah. I'm not going to go back there. We don't have any rights back there whatsoever.

Andrew Hill: You can kind of see if from the side anyway.

John Galles : I know. Pepper you're a good soul.

Speaker 5: Hey, what's up guys.

John Galles : You got a good day to do it.

Speaker 5: Well, we had church and soccer today and there's only so many hours in the day to get all in, so you just got to keep moving. Trying to stay [crosstalk 01:09:08]

John Galles : You're working hard.

Speaker 5: Thank you sir.

John Galles : It looks nice.

Speaker 5: Thank you.

John Galles : Well I'm standing at the cul de sac here waiting for Andrew and Bruce and Rob to come up from behind Lasetta's house. They're concerned about the house at


the bottom of the cul de sac over here which is apparently owned by Russians. Who have put a sauna in the back with a stovepipe up the side of their building, but it's not accessible, it's not viewable from the street. I think they're overstepping their bounds when they start looking behind people's homes. Hello. I'm standing in front of Pepper's house where he did not put in his parking place.

Speaker 5: I know you.

Speaker 6: How are you?

Speaker 5: Good. You're walking a different dog today.

Speaker 6: [inaudible 01:10:27]

John Galles : Bruce is very bold. Bruce goes right up and tells them what he doesn't like, but about half the mailboxes need to be maintained.

Rob Dayton: That's near the top of the list.

John Galles : I don't know what you can do about the stove pipe or anything in the backyard.

Bruce Hensley: I called the city. It was at the request of Lasetta.

John Galles : It's not in our CCR, so you didn't do anything at the backyard.

Speaker 3: You should see the shit, the back full of junk and the weeds.

Bruce Hensley: Those guys are good, this could use refurbishing, other than that he's good.

John Galles : What happened to the parking space, did you decide not to do it?

Bruce Hensley: I guess, thought he was too expensive. I don't know that. Ask Rob I don't communicate with him. Thank you Andrew. You're dismissed if you'd like to be.

Andrew Hill: All right, I've got to go feed the boy.

Bruce Hensley: Thanks very much, or the girl.

John Galles : It looks like you've done good job feeding him already.

Andrew Hill: Yeah, that's right.

Bruce Hensley: Where are the girls?


Andrew Hill: The girls are going bike riding. My wife's the driver and she doesn't like being the ... Kimberly wanted a horseback rider and Carson wanted a dancer. Kimberly got a dancer and Carson got a horseback rider.

Bruce Hensley: I'll trade you right now.

Rob Dayton: No you want, do you know how expensive horseback riding.

Bruce Hensley: Do you know how much I've spent on damn dance a year, [inaudible 01:11:53] every year.

Andrew Hill: He doesn't care about the money, it's that he's got to sit through it every week.

Bruce Hensley: What's on the back of the garage door?


Bruce Hensley: That garage door.

Rob Dayton: Okay, so how we talked about, let me see if [crosstalk 01:12:07]

John Galles : She came out while we were in the other driveway by the way.

Bruce Hensley: Yeah, I saw her. Lasetta told ....

Rob Dayton: I know. Anyway the lights in the garage door, like the windows are knocked out, there's two of them are completely out.

John Galles : In this house.

Rob Dayton: Look at the garage door the next time.

John Galles : I put the shutter, I leaned it up against the garage.

Rob Dayton: It's completely out.

John Galles : Did Pepper decide not to put his parking space in?

Rob Dayton: They kind of tabled that.

John Galles : Postponed it.

Rob Dayton: Yeah.

John Galles : It was approved if he wants to add that?

Bruce Hensley: Right.


Rob Dayton: Doesn't he have to act within a certain amount of time?

Bruce Hensley: Yeah, I don't know how long that is, I'd have to go back and look at it, I don't know. I think he's actually gotten a little better.

Rob Dayton: They got rid of the vein.

Bruce Hensley: The pulled the poison ivy off, yeah. His mailbox needs refurbishing, other than he's playing by the rules.

Rob Dayton: It's about as small as you can get.

John Galles : It's pretty much weeds too.

Rob Dayton: There's a lot of crap in the middle, a lot of Bermuda. This is where I have to get my mud off of here. This is where I replaced my sprinkler head that died.

John Galles : That's what you did today.

Rob Dayton: Well, after I did the pressure washing on the front porch.

John Galles : Have you met Denny?

Rob Dayton: We've talked but I can't say that I've met him. I got a video but I had to give it somebody [inaudible 01:13:34]. There's a nice black snake that lives back there, it's about 4 feet long. It scares the living the shit out of me every time I walk ...

John Galles : In the bushes?

Rob Dayton: Yeah. I don't want to get rid of him because he keeps [crosstalk 01:13:44]. I found a copperhead up here.



Rob Dayton: About 3 weeks ago I found a copperhead in that front bed over there, it was dead. Somehow it had gotten himself into the little deer netting that I've got there.

John Galles : Yes.

Rob Dayton: I had to physically take a pair of scissors and cut him out of that net. He got in there and twisted himself.

John Galles : Dehydrated.


Rob Dayton: Yeah.

Bruce Hensley: That smells good.

Rob Dayton: You don't want to see me see a snake, I'm like a school girl.

Bruce Hensley: I had a pet snake at Appalachian and [crosstalk 01:14:20]

Rob Dayton: If you'd been in my room it would have lasted about 30 second.

Bruce Hensley: He was named Wallace, it was great. Put him out on the top of the table and he'd just sit there on a big old branch.

Rob Dayton: I would have had to go to the Red Carpet Inn down there [inaudible 01:14:33]. He's done a really nice job.

Bruce Hensley: Yeah he's [inaudible 01:14:43] overall. There's not a lot of huge stuff, but it's the little things.

John Galles : Who moved in here?

Bruce Hensley: Mike and Elise Moore, a young couple. There's parents are some kind of contractors.

John Galles : They've got a nice house.

Bruce Hensley: They moved from Raintree.

John Galles : Is that right?


John Galles : Did anybody ever get to the bottom of that story?

Bruce Hensley: What story?

John Galles : There was a nail into the head.

Rob Dayton: Oh.

John Galles : He died?

Rob Dayton: No, I know she got a Chantix settlement, but that's ...

Bruce Hensley: A what?

Rob Dayton: Chantix.


Bruce Hensley: What is that?

Rob Dayton: He was taking Chantix as a smoking cessation nicotine.

John Galles : I didn't hear you Rob, what did you say?

Rob Dayton: Chantix is a nicotine smoking cessation drug. He was trying to quit smoking and there's a class action against a lot of suicide or for a lot of suicide on that. You're also talking, Ken was an alcohol, a functioning alcoholic, but he was alcoholic and PTSD from Vietnam. So take your pick.

Bruce Hensley: The perfect storm.

Rob Dayton: Yeah.

Bruce Hensley: This doesn't have a number plate on top.

John Galles : They really think that it was not an accident?

Rob Dayton: Oh no, no. He went and bough the nail gun.

John Galles : I know he did but he did it right in the parking lot right there.

Rob Dayton: I didn't do it at home because his daughter was in [inaudible 01:15:58].

John Galles : Jesus Christ.

Rob Dayton: Yeah. That's a perfect storm of PTSD and alcoholism and Chantix.

Bruce Hensley: There's an Oak tree growing in the ...

John Galles : She's working on it right there.

Bruce Hensley: The mailbox I would refurbish.

Rob Dayton: I would get rid of these chalk drawings.

John Galles : Hello.

Rob Dayton: He had a Bradford pear he took out last week.

Bruce Hensley: He has blocked his recycling, the brick doesn't quite match, but he gives a shit.

John Galles : Right, trying.

Bruce Hensley: The only thing with this house would be the mailbox.


John Galles : Hey sweetie.

Bruce Hensley: This is Pam Harris and her mailbox, there again Mylar numbers and those bins are always out and that's in view and that's just.

John Galles : Yep. I know we look at them across the street all the time.

Bruce Hensley: I know, and Rob and I have both ...

Rob Dayton: I've let a note in his mailbox.

Bruce Hensley: I've gone and met the guy and told him. Given him a schedule.

John Galles : [Ghesko 01:17:08]

Rob Dayton: He's a thoracic surgeon, how would like to have someone operating on you that can't get the Tuesday right when they come pick up your waste bin.

Bruce Hensley: I've never met these guys, they do a pretty good job. The mailbox is

John Galles : It's pretty nicely taken care of I'd say.

Bruce Hensley: Yeah, this is either Indian or Pakistani. I'm not even sure if it's a couple. She died and then they met in a morning group. This is a Joe Blythe. His yard is okay except for this scrub here and he needs a refurbished mailbox. Most of these people, I've said mailbox more than anything, but they can give the infraction and look great for $75.00 to have it refurbished.

Rob Dayton: There's only a few houses, when we talk about fining this place. There's only a few houses that would really be ...

John Galles : With as many as you've got you ought to put it into the annual fee and have the woman redo one‐third of them a year.

Rob Dayton: That's not a bad idea actually. We're going to raise dues by this amount ...

Bruce Hensley: We can't raise the dues.

Rob Dayton: Why not?

Bruce Hensley: It's tied to the ...

John Galles : You could raise it over time, you don't have to raise it ...

Rob Dayton: [crosstalk 01:18:30] retroactively?

Bruce Hensley: No.


John Galles : You don't have to raise it overnight.

Bruce Hensley: I've actually thought of that and I've thought about the sidewalk, 180 feet of sidewalk, I've got 12.

Rob Dayton: Right.

Bruce Hensley: It's more expensive for her to do it but if the neighbor. We have one mile of sidewalk right? I don't know what it would cost to ...

John Galles : You won't get it passed if you're talking mailboxes.

Bruce Hensley: Good mailbox, good yard. These guys have got some dead look [inaudible 01:19:06] to the bushes, but they're not really dead.

John Galles : It's nice in back too where the pond is, see look up and it always looks nice.

Bruce Hensley: The only issue with this house is mailbox, Mylar numbers, that seems to be the thing and some recycling bins. Nothing huge. Some yards that need obviously that we've discussed. It ain't a slum.

John Galles : No, it's not.

Rob Dayton: Who owns this house?

Bruce Hensley: Jimmy Patel.

John Galles : P‐A‐T‐E‐L.

Bruce Hensley: Mm‐hmm (affirmative).

John Galles : Indian.

Bruce Hensley: That's three rentals, one on either side of Andrew and the one beside me with the ...

John Galles : This is a rental?

Bruce Hensley: Mm‐hmm (affirmative).

John Galles : I've never met the couple that live there, I think they're, are they German?

Bruce Hensley: I've met them. Andrew and me. They seem to be very nice.

Rob Dayton: That sort of irritates me. You've got kids, you gotta ...


Bruce Hensley: I don't like it at all but I think there's something to be said for somebody driving by seeing that going ...

John Galles : No, it's friendly to families.

Bruce Hensley: Yeah, I've had to kind of temper my thoughts ..

Rob Dayton: [inaudible 01:20:26] this when they were putting this wall in back there.

Bruce Hensley: I've kind of tempered my thoughts on that.

Rob Dayton: That is it, we've just visited 52 homes. I hope that answers some of your questions.

John Galles : It let's me know what your thinking about. I don't how to resolve the problem.

Bruce Hensley: I don't want to fine people, I just want people to thinking that if I just did this and this I could spruce up my house, straight a dented mailbox up.

Rob Dayton: I'd buy them a mailbox, it's as free and frugal anything.

Bruce Hensley: Cheap you mean.

Rob Dayton: Exactly.

Bruce Hensley: Charles looked like the Gobi desert 3 or 4 years ago and that turned out nicely.

John Galles : Yeah. Ever since his wife started selling real estate it turned around real quick.

Rob Dayton: Amazing how that works, right?

John Galles : Yeah.

Bruce Hensley: I do understand where Andrew is coming from and I think you might have had a similar perspective. I get that. I would rather not have to worry about it, but I don't know how to get people to understand it's not a big deal. There's nothing, but for a couple. I think yours is going to take some work, there's just no question.

John Galles : The way you had described it to me that's a whole lot more than I was thinking.

Rob Dayton: Yeah, that's the big challenge.

John Galles : I would say it's going to take my neighbor a part of that cost, it's coming off of his land. I can't do anything until he does something.


Bruce Hensley: For the most part everything is very minor. I don't understanding going back to the Sasenko's down there. Put your freakin' shutter up. Why should be subjected to that.

Rob Dayton: Why didn't take it out of the yard, it's breading mosquitoes for 2 years.

Bruce Hensley: That's, that's [crosstalk 01:22:15].

John Galles : We actually put shutters all the way around the house and a lot of people didn't do that.

Rob Dayton: Have you had them fall off, any of them.

John Galles : Sure.

Rob Dayton: Who puts them back up?

John Galles : We've done some but we had Andrew [Robie 01:22:29] do it and we had it fixed and they haven't come off since so.

Bruce Hensley: Nice.

John Galles : We had the right size grates for the openings in the ground space. They put in ones that were too small.

Bruce Hensley: This irritates me, why you park an $80,000.00 automobile on the curb, on the grass and you have a 2 car garage.

Rob Dayton: That you can't fit you ...

Bruce Hensley: It might be an $85,000.00.

Rob Dayton: That you can't fit your 2 trashcans in for some reason.

Bruce Hensley: I know.

John Galles : We going to get a lot more of those Germans coming over here too.

Rob Dayton: Oh, I bet.


John Galles : Big time.

Bruce Hensley: He's not German, he's a ...

John Galles : Albanian or something, it's Eastern Europe, some place.


Bruce Hensley: Romanian Czech.

John Galles : Slovakian.

Bruce Hensley: One of those.

John Galles : Well, thank you for the education.

Rob Dayton: Thank you.

Bruce Hensley: I'll mention to you like I mentioned to Andrew, if you take a minute and take the document that we have and adapt something, I don't mean to say do the whole document, but something that you would think would make it acceptable, some language in it that would make it acceptable.

John Galles : I would just say don't use a sledge hammer when you need a [inaudible 01:23:47].

Bruce Hensley: Listen, if I had a ...

John Galles : As long as there's a plan put in place to rectify it whether it takes 6 months or 12 months or 3 years.


John Galles : As long as there's progress being made.

Bruce Hensley: Absolutely. I'd rather work with somebody. Hell to be honest with you I'd probably help half of them. I've done all of my shutters. I take a drill and drill out the plastic and I put a screw and washer and it looks fine.

John Galles : Maybe that's another way to do it, to do a neighborhood fix‐up day and bring somebody who does home repairs and sign people up and walk around with them. Bring the mailbox person in and ...

Bruce Hensley: I think what we need honestly is we need a retired committee to be all in in everybody's business, because again I go back we have the same 9 households that show up at the meeting and to me it's apathy.

John Galles : It is.

Bruce Hensley: It's just a big old case of not giving a shit and I don't understand.

John Galles : I'll tell you, in my case it's financial.

Bruce Hensley: No, no, I don't mean that. I mean ...


John Galles : It's not just apathy.

Bruce Hensley: ... John yours is, yours is, I'll use the word structural, it's not ... We're not talking putting up a shutter or refurbishing a mailbox.

John Galles : No, no, I mean that's what it costs. This is the first time anybody has ever mentioned the drainage. I know it's a drainage problem, but I don't know how to fix it.


John Galles : I don't know that I can on my property alone, so I may have to have a talk with Charles.

Rob Dayton: I need to show you my backyard, just to give you an idea. When they trenched, I had to buy 2 pieces of pipe, so how long is that 36 feet?

John Galles : Yeah, but I think it's got to be a divot in the ground, if you're going to get the water.

Rob Dayton: He hand dug. I see what you're talking about, but he hand dug the thing.

John Galles : We've got a swell on the other side, but we don't have one on this side.

Rob Dayton: It cost me $200.00 to have him hand dig 60 [crosstalk 01:25:56]

John Galles : $200.00 we'd get it done right away.

Bruce Hensley: Right, right, no absolutely.

Rob Dayton: I thought it would be more, it's going to be significant.

John Galles : Yeah.

Rob Dayton: I thought I could rent one of the Ditch Witches.

John Galles : Yeah, you know, yeah, I can look into it, we'll see.

Bruce Hensley: [crosstalk 01:26:14] scheduled or something, something that's reasonable and fair that you can live with.

John Galles : All right, well thank you for your time.

Rob Dayton: Good to see you again.

John Galles : Good to see you. Take care.


Bruce Hensley: Have a good week.

John Galles : You too.

Bruce Hensley: Cheers.

John Galles : Bye.

How did Joan do?

If you rate this transcript 3 or below, Joan P will not work on your future orders

2015.10.11 hhfhoa walk-around transcript

Documents