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INTERNATIONAL ELECTROTECHNICAL COMMISSION TECHNICAL COMMITTEE NO. 3: INFORMATION STRUCTURES, DOCUMENTATION AND GRAPHICAL SYMBOLS SUBCOMMITTEE NO. 3C: GRAPHICAL SYMBOLS FOR USE ON EQUIPMENT Consolidated Preliminary compilation of comments on 3C/1587/DC

Agenda item 11 This consolidated version after a preliminary compilation of comments 3C(Prague/Secretary)4 included the following documents sorted out for ease of review by the members at the meeting in Prague 2008.

3C/1596/INF, Liaison letter from Chairman SC 34D on document 3C/1587/DC 3C/1599/INF, Comments from the Chairman of SC 34A on 3C/1587/DC 3C/1602/INF, Comments from Secretary ISO TC 145/SC 2 (Safety identification, signs, shapes,

symbols and colours) on document 3C/1587/DC. 3C/1606/INF, Compilation of comments on 3C/1587/DC: Document for Comments on survey of

graphical symbols for use on equipment standardised by Product Committee but not registered in IEC 60417, Project PWI 3C-1

This document superseded document 3C(Prague/Secretary)4. Noting IEC 60417 being Horizontal Standard, recent Administrative Circular AC/25/2008 on IEC Guide 108 - Guidelines for ensuring the coherency of IEC publications – Application of horizontal standards – Implementation - Phase 2 (Final) should also be taken into account. This document is of also interests of the following committees. 3, 17B, 23B, 26, 32B, 34A, 34C, 34D, 61, 61E, 61F, 61H, 61J, 62D, 64, 80, 82, 91, 96, 108, ACOS and ISO TC 145/SC 2. Annexes

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Annex Date Document Project Nr. 2008-09-29 3C/1587/DC PWI 3C-1

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COMMENTS Proposed change OBSERVATIONS OF THE SECRETARIAT on each comment submitted

CZ 01 General From the document it is obvious the problems involved cover not only different fields of standardization but also the sphere of EU directives and IEC Guide. Within the framework of the research at the Czech NC level thus it follows that the form of solution according to 3C/1587/DC exceeds our activities and thus our possibilities to express ourselves responsibly to the entire extend of these problems.

Accordingly, we will express ourselves to this matter only individually in the framework of work in SC 3C, i.e. without any direct participation in PWI 3C-1 work.

DE-01 General German NC fully supports the SC 3C coordination activities and standardization of the graphical symbols to be recorded and standardized within IEC 60417. However, it has to be answered if all symbols itemized in 3C/1587/DC

• are graphical symbols to be recorded in IEC 60417 or are designations not falling into the scope of SC 3C;

• are safety signs to be recorded in ISO 7010 or are safety related assertions applying the rues of ISO 3864.

At the forthcoming SC 3C meeting a determination concerning

• designation / graphical symbol in the sense of IEC 60417

and • safety sign / safety related

assertions applying the rues of ISO 3864

should be made.

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DE-2 General German NC fully supports the SC 3C coordination activities and standardization of the graphical symbols within IEC 60417.

Detailed work process for the consideration of the individual graphical symbols should be discussed at the forthcoming SC 3C meeting. After set up of the work process German NC is prepared to participate active in the project and to provide comments. The symbols identifying controls, switches, etc. should be improved in accordance with ISO/IEC 80416 maintaining the original intended text and graphic.

DE-3 General For the coordination of safety signs SC 3C should cooperate and forward the requests to ISO/TC 145/SC 2 for standardization within ISO 7010.

The safety signs should be forwarded to ISO/TC 145/SC 2 for standardization within ISO 7010 maintaining the original intended text and graphic. If a graphical symbol is used as symbol element within the safety sign the graphical symbol should be in accordance with the IEC 60417 or developed in close cooperation with SC 3C. Cross referrences between IEC 60417 and ISO 7010 should be amended where appropriate or missing.

FR–1 General The French Mirror Committee 17B submits the following comment.

JP-01 All General Noting IEC 60417 having a status of Horizontal Standard in terms of IEC Guide 108, and recognizing a recent Administrative Circular AC/25/2008 on application of horizontal standards – Implementation – Phase 2 (Final), Japanese National Committee for SC 3C is in opinion as in the right column.

JP NC proposes: - for CO to make an effort to increase

awareness of Horizontal Standard IEC 60417 to product committees;

- for secretariat to invite the product committees in Annex A of 3C/1587/DC for collaboration with SC 3C in earliest stage as far as possible in order for relevant graphical symbols also to be standardized in IEC 60417

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JP-02 Category 1

General JP NC understood that the past collaboration was not in success, but follow up collaboration shall be continued.

Aiming at the maintenance result data of relevant standards, collaboration with product committees should be kept in order for all graphical symbols within IEC corpus to be coherent.

JP-03 Category 2

General Although each of product committees is free to develop graphical symbols for use on equipment for its own purpose, it should be encouraged to communicate with SC 3C both in National level as well as in International level.

JP NC proposes to invite those product committees in the list to collaborate with SC 3C. As the first step, liaison letters should be sent.

JP-04 Category 3

General Noting that listed graphical symbols are under development, SC 3C is requested to act for effective collaboration with the relevant committees.

JP NC proposes for secretariat to send a liaison letter to each of the relevant committees.

IEC/SC 34D

Missing Symbols

In addition few symbols are missing which are given in IEC 60598-1 Ed.7, Fig 1as follows: - Minimum distance from lighted objects- Luminaires not suitable for direct mounting on normally flammable surfaces- Replace any cracked protective shield (rectangular and round)

ISO TC145 SC2(DE)

General Ge A number of graphical symbols listed in this survey are basically safety signs (signs that are intended to convey a message related to the safety of people). These are: A.1: 6, 7 A.2: 8-13, 17, 20, 23-31, 33, 34, 50, 56 A.3: 59, 60, 61, 64

Safety signs should not be standardized in IEC 60417, but submitted to ISO/TC 145/SC 2 for consideration

ISO TC145 SC2(GB)

General Ge As many of the symbols are clearly intended to convey messages related to the safety of persons, …

… they should not be processed for inclusion in IEC 60417. In addition, IEC/TCs developing symbols intended to convey safety messages should be made aware of ISO/TC 145 design principles standards and be encouraged to submit such symbols to SC 2 for consideration.

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ISO TC145 SC2(NL)

General Ge A number of the graphical symbols listed are basically safety signs and they should therefore be sent to ISO/TC 145/SC 2 for consideration.

Especially the following symbols are to be considered by SC 2: A.1: 1 A.2: 8-13, 18, 24-31, 50, 56 A.3: 59-61

ISO TC145 SC2(US)

General All Ge This survey illustrates that there is a basic misunderstanding or overlap of responsibilities taking place between committees responsible for the standardization of graphical symbols. Many of the symbols shown in this survey of graphical symbols for use on equipment have direct and/or indirect safety implications. When the referent, the intended message, is a safety-related message, the symbol should fall under the responsibility of ISO/TC 145 SC2. When the symbol is informational and there is no safety implication, then the standardization of the symbol belongs to ISO/TC 145 SC3 or IEC SC3C.

The subcommittee liaisons from ISO/TC 145 SC2, SC3 and IEC SC3C should come to agreement on their respective responsibilities.

ISO TC145 SC2(US)

General All Ge Symbols used on equipment should either be sent to either ISO TC 145/SC 3 or IEC TC 3/SC 3C. All symbols with the prohibit circle or symbol inside a triangle should go to ISO TC 145/SC 2 for review. They should not be intermixing the "symbols for equipment" along with "safety symbols".The Annexes should be deleted and all symbols sent to the proper TC for review and possible registration.

ISO TC145 SC2(US)

General Many symbols

Te The prohibition surround shape (circle with diagonal upper left to lower right slash) is defined by ISO 3864 as a safety sign surround shape to indicate the “no” or “do not” negation message. Its use for non-safety related messages should not be allowed. When its use is for a safety message, the line widths of the circle and slash should be consistent with ISO 3864’s specifications.

For non-safety related “do not” or “no” messages, use an “X” or a single slash. For safety related messages, the symbol should be standardized by ISO/TC 145 SC2.

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ISO/TC145/SC2 (US)

A.1 1 te Consider replacing with or using with a symbol indicating not suitable for children 0-7 years old. This could be similar to the commonly used symbol indicating toys are not suitable for children 0-3 years old (child’s face, “0-x” surrounded by prohibition sign).

Add a symbol indicating not suitable for children 0-7 years old to the standard.

DK-1 Symbol No. 2

T Symbol used by SC17B Should be standardized in IEC 60417 DB.

ISO/TC145/SC2 (US)

A.1 2 te This symbol is complex and seems very difficult to understand. The difficulty seems to stem primarily from the abstract depiction of the switch positions (rather than showing a physical switch in various positions or labelling the switch itself). In addition, the large number of arrows is confusing.

Consider requiring markings on the switch itself or using a symbol that depicts the switch in various positions. Reduce use of arrows – simply label switch positions.

PL-1 page 1 A.1 item 2, Note

Editorial In the Note there is the permission: “If it is not possible to affix the marking to the switch due to size constraints, then the symbol may be put in the instructions for installation, operation and maintenance.” This permission is also typical for many other small products and, if possible, it could be a general rule.

Consider the possibility of providing a more general guideline concerning similar cases and delete this particular note.

PL-2 page 2 A.1 item 3 Technical The letter F is intended to denote “High-Frequency isolated patient circuit”. In the document, according to A.1, item 5, the letter F is to be used for indication of “fail safe control transformer”. According to A.2 (items 39 to 41) the same letter F is to be used for indication of flammable surfaces. This causes confusion.

Whenever possible, consider the use of, e.g. SF letters, which we propose to denote surgical frequency - that should be the better solution for now. Another solution could be, e.g. HF letters accompanied by any sign connected with electrosurgery - the letters HF used alone might cause confusion in the case of typical non-medical high frequency!

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PL-3 page 2 A.1 item 3, Note 1

Technical It is not clear that the proposed symbol for “High-Frequency isolated patient circuit” is usually attached to the front panel of defibrillation-proof applied parts as the result of the proposed Note 1. Although Note 1 is within the one cluster of paragraphs, it would be more reliable for a reader to connect the note with associated HF surgical equipment. What is more, the defibrillators are not the only devices which may be connected to patients undergoing electrosurgery. So the Note is wrongly limiting the potential equipment to one type only.

Reconsider wording.

ISO TC145 SC2(US)

A.1 3-7 Te Probably cannot be understood without training.

Use only to communicate with trained personnel or provide training.

DK-2 Symbols No. 5, 6 and 7

T Symbols used by TC96 Earlier rejected by SC3C, however they should be standardized in IEC 60417 DB

ISO TC145 SC2(FR)

A.2 8 Not in accordance with the design principles of ISO 3864-1. The tap is different from ISO 7010-P005.

ISO TC145 SC2(US)

A.2 8 Te Lines are too thin. Increase line thickness. Consider solid black tap. See ISO 7010 P005 for example.

ISO TC145 SC2(US)

A.2 8 Te This symbol could potentially be confused to mean do not use product near water.

Show the prohibitive action more clearly as “connection to water” rather than “no water”.

ISO TC145 SC2(FR)

A.2 9 May be harmonized with ISO 7010-P010.

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ISO TC145 SC2(US)

A.2 9 Te Poor graphic quality. Use red prohibition sign. This symbol doesn’t seem to convey “If the drum is still spinning when the lid is opened, do not touch the laundry inside until rotation stops.” It seems unlikely that a safety sign conveying “do not touch” is useful for this situation. Rather, it seems that the more important message is that the drum can be spinning after the lid is opened.

Improve graphic quality. Use red prohibition sign. Consider using a hazard symbol instead to depict the potential rotation of the drum. In order to convey the conditional concept ‘do not touch if spinning,” it may be necessary to use more than one symbol. In fact, it may not be practical to convey this with symbols.

ISO TC145 SC2(US)

A.2 10 Te Symbol seems too abstract – hard to understand. Use red prohibition sign.

Consider depicting a more realistic water jet cleaner. Use red prohibition sign.

ISO TC145 SC2(US)

A.2 11 Te Consider merging this idea with recent new safety sign proposal for ISO 7010; “Do not use this device in a bathtub, shower or water-filled reservoir.” It seems that a single safety sign indicating that a device should not be used in water, rain, showers, etc. could be developed. Use red prohibition sign.

Make single sign that covers all types of water and moisture. Use red prohibition sign.

ISO TC145 SC2(US)

A.2 12 Te Use red prohibition sign. Lack of context makes it difficult to provide useful comments.

Use red prohibition sign.

ISO TC145 SC2(US)

A.2 13 Te Use red prohibition sign. Lack of context makes it difficult to provide useful comments.

Use red prohibition sign.

DK-3 Symbol No. 14 and 15

T Symbols used by TC26 and SC17B Symbol no. 14 should be deleted and symbol nr. 15 should be standardized in IEC 60417 DB

ISO TC145 SC2(US)

A.2 14-15 Te I suspect that none of these can be understood without training.

Make separate symbols for meanings 14 and 15. Use only to communicate with trained personnel.

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ISO TC145 SC2(US)

A.2 15 Te There is incomplete text in Note 2 describing the meaning of MRCD.

Complete the text for Note 2.

ISO TC145 SC2(US)

A.2 16 Te Poor graphic quality. Lack of context makes it difficult to provide useful comments.

Improve graphic quality.

ISO TC145 SC2(US)

A.2 17 Te Lacks surround shape and colour for safety sign. Only appropriate for lamps shaped as depicted.

If this is a safety symbol, use appropriate surround shapes and colours. Consider presenting as two mandatory action signs. Limit use to luminaries that use lamps shaped as depicted. Provide alternate sign for other types of lamps.

ISO TC145 SC2(US)

A.2 18 Te Poor graphic quality. Does not use surround shape and colour.

Improve graphic quality. If this is a safety sign, use red prohibition sign.

JP-07 Annex A No.19 of table A.2

Editorial This symbol has already deleted in IEC60598-1 Ed.7.

IEC/SC 34D

A2, Symbol 19

Deleted in latest edition, reference to read IEC 60598-1: Ed.6. 2003, all lines of symbol to be the same size and with no thickening of line


Technical This symbol shall be leaved in IEC60598-1 Ed.7. Because this symbol had been established to protect thermal accidents which occurred by some kind of tungsten halogen cool beam lamps in fact.

ISO TC145 SC2(US)

22 Te Seems to be saying, “Don’t use with 1 phase supply. But, not “Use with 3-phase supply only.”

Consider using a mandatory action surround shape to say “Use with 3-phase supply only.”

DK-4 Symbol no. 23

T Symbol used by TC64 Should be standardized in IEC 60417 DB.

ISO TC145 SC2(US)

A.2 19-23 Te Probably none of these can be understood without training. Does not use surround shape and colour.

Use only to communicate with trained personnel or provide training. Use red prohibition sign.

ISO TC145 SC2(US)

A.2 23 The meaning of this symbol is not clear from the text.

Add text to describe the meaning of the text rather than a reference to a standard.

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ISO TC145 SC2(US)

A.2 24 Use red prohibition sign. It isn’t clear why this precaution focuses only on candles and not other types of flames.

Use red prohibition sign. Consider whether a more general safety sign related to flames in general is appropriate.

JP-06 A.2 25 Editorial Modify first sentence of Note 1 and Note 2 as in the right column.

Note 1 – For all slide/rail mounted equipment, a label shall be affixed to this the equipment, in a location visible to operators when the equipment unit is in its fully extended service position. Note 2 – It is permitted to use the this symbol to provide this the information if its meaning is also contained in the operator operating instructions.

ISO TC145 SC2(US)

A.2 25 Te It isn’t clear why not to use as a shelf. Breaking the component? Tipping the rack? Is this a safety sign?

Consider using a hazard sign if this is related to a hazard. Or, if using a prohibition sign, use red and increase thickness of surround shape.

ISO TC145 SC2(US)

A.2 26 Te The function of this symbol is to pay attention to the presence of toxic fumes.

Change "Do not inhale fumes" to "Emanation of toxic fumes" or "Toxic fumes".

ISO TC145 SC2(US)

A.2 26 Te Description “Do not inhale fumes” describes a prohibition sign, but this is a hazard sign. Is this intended to be a Carbon Monoxide warning? This is unlikely to be considered an adequate CO warning by itself.

If prohibition sign is desired, revise sign, use prohibition surround shape and color. If not, change description. Consider CO warnings used in other domains (e.g., boats) to get ideas for how to convey information about this topic.

ISO TC145 SC2(FR)

A.2 27 Te The symbol is too complex and can generate a misunderstanding.

ISO TC145 SC2(US)

A.2 27 Te Colour appears not to be standard shade of yellow. Picture is unusually detailed. It isn’t clear how the upward motion of the door is related to a hazard. Does not actually depict hazard.

Change yellow colour. Change picture to more typical style for safety signs (less detail). Remove extraneous objects (tricycle, ball). Consider depicting only downward arrow. Depict entrapped child.

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DK-5 Symbol

No. 28 E Text is in French Add also the English text.

ISO TC145 SC2(FR)

A.2 28 Te The symbol is not quite comprehensible.

ISO TC145 SC2(US)

A.2 28 Te English would be helpful to describe the meaning of the symbol. Sign border is not correct. I think this relates to the hazard of hot liquid spilling, but the context is unclear to me.

Provide English text. Make border thicker per standard. State context for application.

DK-6 Symbol No. 29

E The symbol has no title Add title

ISO TC145 SC2(FR)

A.2 29 Te Not in accordance with the design principles of ISO 3864-2.

Do not use with a damaged cord.

ISO TC145 SC2(US)

A.2 29 Te No title. This seems to be depicting a mandatory action. Is it a good idea to tell people to grab a cord that is attached to mains and is damaged?

Provide title Make this mandatory action sign or use two signs, one for the damaged cord (hazard) and one for disconnecting from mains (mandatory action). Consider whether this symbol is suggesting a potentially unsafe action.

ISO TC145 SC2(US)

A.2 30 Te I think there is an existing symbol for flammable materials that looks like this.

Use existing symbol for flammable materials, with better graphical quality.

IEC/SC 34D

A2 Symbol 31


ISO TC145 SC2(US)

A.2 31 Te Looks similar to #43. What is the difference between a square shape and a triangle shape?

Consider having only one symbol for rain and splash proof

ISO TC145 SC2(US)



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DK-7 Symbol no. 31 and 43

T Symbols used by SC34D Both symbols should be standardized in IEC 60417 DB.



IEC/SC 34A

A.2 Symbol 32

Symbol also included in IEC 60432-3 and IEC 62035

Add IEC 60432-3 and IEC 62035

IEC/SC 34A

A.2 Symbol 33

Symbol also included in IEC 62035 Add IEC 62035

ISO TC145 SC2(US)

A.2 33 Te Why not mandatory action surround shape and colour?

Consider using blue circle instead of triangle.

ISO TC145 SC2(US)

34 Te Why not use prohibition sign? Consider using prohibition sign instead of triangle and X.

DK-8 Symbol no. 35

T Symbol used by SC34C Related to symbol for double isolation, however it should be standardized in IEC 60417 DB.

JP-05 General The 36th ,45th symbols are classified categories 3 “Graphical symbols under development by other committees than SC3C “

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ISO TC145 SC2(US)



DK-9 Symbols no. 38 – 42

T Symbols used by SC34C, SC34D and TC64

Coordination is needed, but (some of) the symbols should be standardized in IEC 60417 DB



IEC/SC 34D

A2 Symbol 39


IEC/SC 34D

A2 Symbol 40

This is the same symbol as 19

IEC/SC 34D

A2 Symbol 41

This is the same symbol as 19

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Technical The necessity of this symbol shall be refer to the meeting of maintenance agency LUMEX of SC34D committee.

Refer to the LUMEX meeting.

IEC/SC 34D

A2 Symbol 42

Lines of symbol should not be thickened, reference to read "IEC 50598-2-24 Ed.1.1997”



IEC/SC 34D

A2 Symbol 43

Deleted in latest edition, reference to read IEC 60598-1: Ed.6. 2003

ISO TC145 SC2(US)

43 Looks similar to #31. What is the difference between a square shape and a triangle shape?

Consider having only one symbol for rain and splash proof.

PL-4 page 10 A.2 item 44 Technical It would be purposeful to distinguish the isolation in the symbol of “isolated gripping-lugs”.

Our proposal is as follows:

ISO TC145 SC2(US)

A.2 45-46 Te These symbols are almost identical. Consider whether they need to be distinct.

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GB Annex A.2

46 and 47

IEC TC80 (Secretariat United Kingdom) is named against symbols 46 and 47 concerning panel illumination and display brilliance. The background to these symbols is that they are part of a set of symbols adopted by the International Maritime Organization for shipborne radar equipment in resolution A.278(VIII) (see attachment 1). The annex to resolution A.278(VIII) is reproduced in standards IEC 62252 (Radar for craft not in compliance with IMO SOLAS Chapter V), IEC 62288 (Presentation of navigation-related information on shipborne navigational displays) and IEC 62238 (Shipborne radar).

Attachment 1 TC80 Graphics symbols (embedded Adobe file)

Adobe Acrobat 7.0 Document

ISO TC145 SC2(US)

A.2 47-49 Te Probably none of these can be understood without training.


DK-10 Symbol no. 49

Symbol used by SC17B Should be standardized in IEC 60417 DB.

PL-5 page 10 A.2 item 49 Technical There are possibilities to make this symbol more readable.


ISO TC145 SC2(FR)

A.2 50 Te Not in accordance with the design principles of ISO 3864-2.

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A.2 50 Te Isn’t this hazard open and obvious? Why would you need a warning symbol? Graphical quality is poor. Lacks surround shape and colour. Symbol is unlikely to be well understood. It is hard to convey time with symbols.

Consider whether you need a warning symbol at all. Improve graphical quality. Use yellow triangle.

PL-6 page 11 A.2 item 51 Technical There are possibilities to make this symbol more readable.


ISO TC145 SC2(US)



ISO TC145 SC2(FR)

A.2 56 Te Warning:This symbol should be abrogated by GHS regulation.

ISO TC145 SC2(US)

56 Te Use established symbol for corrosives. Use proper surround shape and colour.

Use established symbol for corrosives. Use proper surround shape and colour.


Technical This symbol shall be leaved in IEC60598-2-11 Ed.1. Because this symbol is necessary to protect accident of electric shock while maintenance of aquarium.

ISO TC145 SC2(US)

A.2 57-58 Te Context of application is not clear. What is the top semi-circle? I suspect that none of these can be understood without training.

Include more context in the description. Use only to communicate with trained personnel or provide training.

ISO TC145 SC2(US)

A.2 57 Is the “mm” supposed to have 15 in front of it?

Add 15 in front of mm..

FR–2 Figure 58

Editorial Figure 58 and comments are the same as figure 49.

Delete Line 58 (figure 58 and attached comments).

ISO TC145 SC2(FR)

A.3 59 Not in accordance with the design principles of ISO 3864-1 or ISO 3864-2.

ISO TC145 SC2(US)

A.3 59 Te Consider using standard surround shape and colour.

Consider using standard surround shape and colour.

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A.3 60 Te Not in accordance with the design principles of ISO 3864-1 or ISO 3864-2.

ISO TC145 SC2(US)

A.3 60 Te This looks too much like a symbol related to hearing protection. Consider using standard surround shape and colour. Does not seem to convey the message stated (e.g., hearing impairment, lowering volume, shortening duration)

Develop alternate symbol that is different than typical hearing protection symbols


Editorial/Technical

This symbol shall be leaved in IEC60598-1 Ed.7. However, it is not specified that this symbol is one of example. Therefore it should be refer to the meeting of maintenance agency LUMEX of SC34D committee to discuss the suitable adding note.

Refer to the LUMEX meeting.

IEC/SC 34D

A3 Symbol 61

Incorrect symbol, correct symbol in IEC 60598-1 Ed.7. 2008

ISO TC145 SC2(US)

A.3 61 Te Use standard prohibition symbol. Does not seem to convey “normally flammable surface”

Develop new symbol. Use prohibition symbol.

IEC/SC 34A

A.3 Symbols62

This symbol is already included in IEC 60662 Ed 1.10 :2002

ISO TC145 SC2(US)



IEC/SC 34A

A.3 Symbol 63

This symbol is already included in IEC 60662 Ed 1.10 :2002

ISO TC145 SC2(US)

A.3 64 Te Green circle surround shape is non-standard – but there is no appropriate surround shape for permitted actions.

ISO TC145 SC2(US)



ISO TC145 SC2(US)

A.3 66-67 Te “Ditto”? Include actual text rather than “Ditto”

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ISO TC145 SC2(US)

A.3 68 Te The meaning of the blue background is not clear.

Remove the blue background if it is not critical to understanding the symbol’s meaning.

ISO TC145 SC2(US)

A.3 69 Te Potential confusion in comprehension could be “Do not use lead” rather than “Lead free”

IEC/SC 34A

Missing Symbols

Many symbols not included in 60417 aremissing from this draft. See attached overview of SC34A symbols

Attachment SC34A_Annex.PDF

FORM COMMENTS (IEC)2007-03-07

Pictogram Text IEC

publication

Do not touch with bare fingers 60357

Do not touch with bare fingers 60357

Dichroic-coated reflector lamp 60432-1 60432-3

Bowl mirror lamps 60432-1

Do not use cap up 60432-1

Self-shielded lamp symbol indicating that the lamp can be operated in a luminaire

without a protective shield

60432-3 62035

Symbol indicating that the lamp shall be operated only in a luminaire with a

protective shield

60432-3 62035

Symbol indicating that the lamp shall not be operated when the outer bulb is broken

62035

A safety hazard exists when the outer bulb is broken

60432-2

COOL

BEAM

Pictogram Text IEC

publication

Symbol indicating that the luminaire shall be disconnected from the power supply

before insertion or withdrawal of the lamp 60432-3

Symbol indicating that the lamp emits a high level of UV radiation

62035

Germicidal lamp 61549

Protect against direct water contact 61549

Radiation Hazard 61549

Lamp not suitable for dimming 60968

Lamps without internal starting device and requiring ignitor

60662

Lamps with internal starting device 60662

See also IEC 61549 concerning operation position symbols. In addition see 34A/1244/CDV which has been approved and is currently being published.

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