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GOVERNOR'S OFFICE OF COMMONWEALTH PREPAREDNESS P.O. BOX 1475
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COIMMONWEALTZI of WRGINU Ofice of the Governor
Mark R. Warner Gavemar
August 22,2005
The Honorable Anthony J. Principi Chairman Base Realignment and Closure Commission 2521 South Clark Street Arlington, Virginia 22202
Dear Chairman Principi:
Thank you for the opportunity to be with you and the Defense Base Realignment and Closure Commission on Saturday. The Commonwealth of Virginia remains firm in its commitment to NAS Oceana and to meeting the needs of the United States Navy. The paramount and compelling factor in your decision, we believe, must be those interests. Tne Navy has been consistent in multiple testimonies in stating its strong belief that NAS Oceana not only best meets their needs for the foreseeable future, but also that only NAS Oceana meets those needs.
Attached you will find depositions taken under oath earlier today from Admiral Fred Metz USN (Ret) and Captain Phil Grandfield USN (Ret) which directly address some statements made by witnesses for the State of Florida concerning Naval aviation training and other issues. In summary these are:
Pilot training at NAS Oceana meets the Navy's needs - As noted in the depositions, no current military aviatian facility possesses completely optimal training characteristics. Both the 800-foot approach limit and the night time flying hours restrictions at Fentress are, in fact, Navy restrictions that have been made with the full understanding of the entire training experience. The Navy has stated that these are acceptable deviations. One musr also recognize that adjustments are necessary at Cecil, especially when departing Whitehouse, where a pilot makes a right versus left Nm because of encroachment.
Srsre Capitol Richmond. V~rginh 23219 (804) 786-2211 TTY (804) 371-8015 www.governor.virginia.gov
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Quantitative data, not opinions, are critical to assessing the comparison of Oceana and Cecil. What quantitative data are there to support the argument that training at Oceana is in any way inferior or increases risk to aviators?
Air Encroachment Is severe around former Cecil Field - The FAA data are compelling, and indicate that two of the top 10 heaviest air traffic route control activities across the nation are in Florida - Miami (ranked 7) and Jacksonville (ranked 8), with approximately 2.4 million flights each. In the airspace above Cecil, there is far more air congestion than the airspace above Oceana. At Oceana, Navy pilots remain in total Navy air traffic control, regardless of the training mission. At Cecil, Navy pilots would cross multiple FAA main air traffic routes to reach their training ranges. Florida argues that the F&4 would give Navy pilots priority, but they can never guarantee it operationally, especially in bad weather, given the level of air traffic saturation.
What quantitative studies have been provided to the Commission on the impact on the Navy training missions of the documented overall air congestion and air saturation in the skies over former Cecil Field?
Environmental Impact statement (EIS) Process and site remediation cannot be completed with the speed promised by Florida officials -The EIS process is regulated by federal law, mandating certain steps and processes. The introduction of military jets, especially with the level of activity contemplated, will require lengthy and major EIS activities.
Cecil Field remains listed on the National Priorities List as of August 22, 2005, as is shown on the following link www.e~a.govlrerrion4/waste/nr>l/n~lfln~cecnasfl.htm. Several operable units containing numerous specific cleanup sites remain on the National Priorities List as of this writing.
How can Florida promise that it can turn over the base free of environmental problems by the end of the year given the base's continued listing as a Superfund site?
Joint Training Opportunities are Greater at NAS Oceaaa - While there are numerous military installations in Florida, there is not the opportunity for full cross-senice training within a single flying cycle. Oceana possesses significantly greater opportunity for cross-service and joint-training activities with other Navy, Air Force, Marine and Army activities within a single flying cycle. This is due to Oceana's proximity to key operational and command hct ions .
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Shouldn't the entire training experience, from "wheels up to wheels down," be part of the comparison between Oceana and the former Cecil Field?
Certified Data on Costs are not available for Cecil - Beyond the sworn deposition, the estimated costs by Florida officials to re-establish operations at the former Cecil Field have almost doubled in the past 10 days. There is no guarantee that the costs will not continue to rise because of the absence of a detailed analysis by independent and knowledgeable officials. There are also no guarantees that timing commitments can be met. The BRAC Commission noted that it had run an independent COBRA analysis that places the costs in the $400 million range, and this differs from the Navy's $1 -6 billion estimate significantly.
While it is reasonable to assume there will be wide variances in costs given the short timeframe for carefkl analysis, who bears the burden if Florida is wrong?
In summary, Mr. Chairman, assertions and promises aside, the wide variance of information, coupled with the absence of critical data, underscores that a decision to close or realign NAS Oceana to a specific site -- going directly against the recommendations of the Department of Defense and the Navy -- can not and should not be made within a limited time window as part of the BRAC process. The Navy should be provided the tools to continue its tangible progress towards long-term Master Jet Base planning and be given the opportunity to develop such a facility on its own timetable.
Thank you for the opportunity to submit these comments. I appreciate your taking the time to consider the Commonwealth's views on this issue.
Please feel free to contact me if you have any questions.
Sincerely,
Mark R. Warner
Cc: The BRAC Commission Members The Honorable John Warner The Honorable George AlIen The Honorable Thelma Drake The Honorable Randy Forbes
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SWORN STATEMENT OF
F R E D METZ, REAR ADMIRAL, U S N RETIRED
August 22, 2 0 0 5
Virginia Beach, V i r g i n i a
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DELIVERY TO THE BASE REALIGNMENT AND CLOSURE
COMMISSION, ARLINGTON, VIRGINIA
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REAR ADMIRAL METZ: My name is Fred Metz,
Rear Admiral, United States Navy, retired.
I was i n t h e N a v y for 34 years. I had
seven major commands. I was stationed on b o t h the
E a s t and West Coast, where I had b o t h air and s e a
commands. I have 1,000 carrier landings, over 300
combat missions in Vietnam.
Of the variety of tours that I had , I was
a landing signal officer f o r five tours. One of my
l a s t jobs, I was a division head for a l l t h e aircraft
carriers in the Navy , all the air stations, and I was
the Department of Defense Navy representative for air
s p a c e .
I was concerned with the testimony given
by the Florida delegation to the Commission. Many of
the comments did not tell the complete position needed
to make a crucial decision f o r the base of t h e f u t u r e
of Nava l Aviation.
What is Florida offering the Navy?
Florida is offering the Navy land and a runway and
some buildings. To give that property to the Navy, a
very comprehensive EIS needs to be completed,
environmental impact statement, and I question t h e
timeline that's required for t h e BRAC process to
unfold for the EIS to be completed.
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We've heard a lot of promises. I am
I and a lot of promises. 2
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concerned r h a t the promises were not backed up with
actual f a c t s , and there was a lot of speculation made
would not be able to be completed to make the timeline
t h a t ' s r e q u i r e d by t h e BRAC process.
I One of the critical things the Governor
I of Florida said was that he was going to give Cecil to
the Navy, but we need to remember what he was actually
giving is l a n d and not the air space.
The actual air space around Cecil Field
I that is controlled by the facility includes up to 3,000 feet w i t h i n f i v e miles. Ceci l Field is a
tenant. The air s p a c e around Cecil Field that is
described is the limit of t h e i r c o n t r o l . I f you want
to go anywhere else, you h a v e to go to t h e FAA. You
cannot fly out of Cecil Field without permission. You
I h a v e to get clearances from the FAA to get in the
I We heard a lot in the testimony on
I Saturday about going to different areas and how it was not encumbered. Nowhere did we e v e r hear any
testimony from the FAA, who controls that air space.
I When I was doing air space matters in
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'91, one of the things that we recognized at that time
w a s the increased air traffic along the East Coast was
going to be detrimental to flying in certain ar,eas.
Cecil Field was one of them.
In 1993 the Navy did a very comprehensive
air space study in the area of Cecil Field. And the
concerns t h a t t h e y had a t that time was air space
encroachment around Cecil Field. There were many
consultations with the FAA, and the Navy presented a
lot of questions to the FAA a s far as t h e future
ability for the Cecil Field area to grow and t o be
accommodated also in the FAA structure.
Nowhere in any of the testimony did we
hear or was anything mentioned about F A A ' s approval of
the Navy returning to Cecil Field. We can buy the
land but we cannot control the air space. FAA must be
a major p l a y e r in t h e decision to move to Cecil F i e l d .
If the F-18s go to Cecil Field, they are
going to compete with commercial aircraft leaving from
3uffal0, Boston, New York. Thousands of airplanes a
day pass through the Cecil Field area. The Navy will
:hen be competing with those aircraft for airspace.
Another thing is, there is a proposal to
Lncrease the number of P-3s to go to NAS Jacksonville,
rhich further complicates the air issues in this area.
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A comprehensive study needs to be done
regarding airspace issues. Many questions have to be
answered before a decision for the future of Naval
Aviation can be made.
Is the FAA safely able to accommodate 285
airplanes into the area? Are they willing to
accommodate and can they support the air requirements
of those aircraft?
Have The airspace areas required for the
F-18 Super Hornet been established, which have never
flown out of Cecil Field?
Have they established routes to go to the
target at Pinecastle, which hasn't been in existence
at Cecil Field for four years?
Have they cleared the commercial
approaches into Orlando Airport for the construction
of the new r u n w a y with a major target area for maximum
utilization at Pinecastle?
There are many questions that we did not
hear the answers to that must be addressed before any
decision can be made to go to Cecil Field.
There may be ground encroachment at NAS
Oceana, however the potential air encroachment at
Cecil Field presently a n d also anticipated in the
future has to be addressed before any decision can be
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made.
L i v i n g i n t h e Harnpton R o a d s a r e a , I ' v e
h a d t h e o p p o r t u n i t y t o use some o f my p a s t s k i l l s a s
b e i n g a l a n d i n g s i g n a l o f f i c e r t o be a guest l e c t u r e r
at t h e L a n d i n g S i g n a l O f f i c e r S c h o o l h e r e a t NAS
O c e a n a w h i c h t r a i n s LSOs f r o m a l l o v e r t h e c o u n t r y .
I n t h i s c a p a c i t y I s t a y v e r y c u r r e n t i n
f i e l d c a r r i e r l a n d i n g p r o c e d u r e s ; I v i s i t F e n t r e s s a n d
I a l s o g o a b o a r d s h i p . I ' m v e r y c u r r e n t i n p r e s e n t
p r o c e d u r e s f o r a i r crews t o t r a i n a n d go a b o a r d s h i p .
A s w a s s t a t e d i n o t h e r t e s t i m o n y , F C L P ,
field c a r e l a n d i n g p r a c t i c e , a n d g o i n g a b o a r d s h i p i s
3 v e r y d e m a n d i n g p r o c e s s , b u t no p l a c e i n t h e Navy - -
3nd I ' v e f l o w n a t e v e r y f i e l d i n t h e Navy -- do w e
l a v e t h e o p t i m u m c o n d i t i o n s t h a t r e p l i c a t e t h e
: o n d i t i o n s we encounter on t h e s h i p . The way w e l a n d
)n t h e ship a n d the way we practice on t h e f i e l d a t
l i g h t i s n o t t h e same a n y w h e r e we t r a i n .
The pattern on t h e s h i p i s a v e r y
l e m a n d i n g p a t t e r n , but w e h a v e l i m i t a t i o n s a t e v e r y
i i e l d . The f i e l d t h a t the Navy i s c o n t e m p l a t i n g
) u i l d i n g i n N o r t h C a r o l i n a i s g o i n g t o have the
: a p a b i l i t y t o come c l o s e s t t o r e p l i c a t i n g t h e c a r r i e r
a n d i n g p a t t e r n t h a t we use a b o a r d s h i p a t n i g h t .
However , w e h a v e p r o v e n o v e r t h e years
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1 / since I started flying in 1960 t h a t the way that we do I
4 1 young aviators to safely land is tremendous.
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carrier landing practice now is acceptable, and our
safety record is amazing, and the ability for these
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I The Hampton Roads area offers the Navy
Being a lecturer at the LSO school, I
continually am in contact with the amazing, young
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pilots, the men and women, that fly the aircraft from
our carriers.
12 1 e d u c a t i o n a l opportunities, t h e y are provided a safe
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family so much. In addition to the excellent training
offered to t h e pilots, the family is offered excellent
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l9 1 life the Hampton Roads area has to o f f e r .
environment to raise their children, as well a s
excellent health facilities.
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What the Chief of Naval Operations said
People who come here, many w i l l end up
staying here when they retire. We have one of the
largest milltary retirement communities in the nation,
which is confirmation of the attractive q u a l i t y of
21 I in one of his first statement is, we need to worry
22 1 about combat readiness and family readiness. This
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area offers both. I can attest to the high morale of
the Officers, men and women, and their families that
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a r e a .
With regard t o j o i n g t r a i n i n g , we h a v e
many o u t s t a n d i n g f a c i l i t i e s i n t h e a r e a . Dam Neck
o f f e r s t h e s q u a d r o n s b a t t l e g r o u p t r a i n i n g . The F l e e t
I n t e l l i g e n c e C e n t e r offers a i r c r e w s s t r i k e t a r g e t
t r a i n i n g . T h e p r o x i m i t y o f t h e s h i p a l l o w s u s t o
c o n t i n u a l l y i n t e g r a t e t h e s q u a d r o n s and f a c i l i t i e s .
B u t more i m p o r t a n t l y , a s we have l e a r n e d
o v e r t h e l a s t 1 0 years, t h e r e i s n o t o n e s e r v i c e ; i t ' s
a j o i n t s e r v i c e .
H e r e a t Hampton R o a d s we h a v e t h e a b i l i t y
:O t r a i n w i t h e v e r y s e r v i c e : t h e A i r F o r c e a t L a n g l e y ,
:he s p e c i a l w a r f a r e u n i t s a r e h e r e i n t h e Hampton
t o a d s a r e a a n d c o n t i n u a l l y t r a i n w i t h t h e s e u n i t s . W e
: r a i n w i t h t h e M a r i n e a i r c r a f t down a t C h e r r y P o i n t .
le t r a i n w i t h t h e c o m b a t M a r i n e s a t Camp L e j u n e w h e r e
le have t h e a b i l i t y t o d o c l o s e a i r s u p p o r t . We a l s o
o t o F o r t B r a g g w h e r e we t r a i n w i t h S p e c i a l F o r c e s
Seyrnore J o h n s o n Air Force B a s e .
I t ' s a l l i n t e g r a t e d t r a i n i n g . No l o n g e r
i s i t just o n e Navy: i t ' s a j o i n t b u s i n e s s , a n d
:here's n o w h e r e e l s e on t h e East C o a s t t h a t affords us
;his ability.
We have t h e J o i n t Training Center here in
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t h e Hampton Roads area where we a r e a b l e t o a c t u a l l y
interface w i t h joint training worldwide.
When we deploy, we just don't go as a
ship, we go a s the whole unit. And the joint training
that is afforded t o us in the Hampton Roads area is
essential. Nowhere else can this be accomplished.
The biggest concern that I h a v e r e g a r d i n g
t h e C e c i l F i e l d o p t i o n i s t h a t t h e lack o f c e r t i f i e d
d a t a would make a n y such decision speculative and
risky. T h e Navy has a mission, and the Chief o f Naval
Operations and the Secretary of Defense know better
t h a n anybody how to accomplish t h a t mission.
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A u g . 22. 2005 1:25PM TAYLOE ASSOCIATES N O . 7785 P. 1
COMMONWEALTH OF VIRGINIA AT LARGE, to wit:
I, Scott D. Gregg, R P R , a Notary Public for the
Commonwealth of Virglnia a t Large, of qualification in
the C i r c u i t Court of t h e C i t y o f N o r f o l k whose
commission expires J u l y 31, 2008 , do h e r e b y certify
t h a t the within pe r son , F R E D METZ, REAR ADMIRAL, USN
R E T I R E D , appeared before me a t Virginia Beach,
Virginia, as hereinbefore set forth; and a f t e r being
first duly sworn by me, t h e r e u p o n made t h e above
statement; t h a t h i s statement was recorded in
stenotype by me and reduced to typescript under my
d i r e c t i o n ; a n d t h a r the foregoing transcript
Constitutes a t r u e , a c c u r a t e , and complete t r a n s c r i p t .
I f u r t h e r certify that I am not related t o
nor otherwise associated with any party to this
proceed ing , n o r otherwise interested in the event
thereof. G i v e n under my hand and notarial seal at
2005- N o r f o l k ,
Scott D. Gregg, RPE
Notary public
Fred Metz, Rear Admiral, USN R e t i r e d
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SWORN STATEMENT O F
PHIL GRANDFIELD, CAPTAIN, USN RETIRED
August 2 2 , 2005
V i r g i n i a Beach, Virginia
DELIVER TO:
DELIVERY TO THE BASE REALIGNMENT AND CLOSURE .-
COMMISSION, ARLINGTON, VIRGINIA
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CAPTAIN GRANDFIELD: My name is phi1
Grandfield, former naval aviator and retired Navy
captain. I have about 4,000 hours of experience
flying F-148, F-4s, and F-18s. I also have ten years
of experience as a landing signals officer where my
primary responsibility was training naval aviators to
fly aboard the ship and prepare to fly aboard the
ship.
The decision to support the question
about what is best for the Navy and the future of
naval aviation should be the primary focus of the
decision on NAS Oceana or the former NAS Cecil Field.
Foremost, the decision must support quality of
training for F-18 fleet training squadrons and the
fleet squadrons.
Despite the interviews with NAS Oceana
pilots by BRAC commissioners and che articles and the
press quoting disgruntled pilots, NAS Oceana's
location with e a s y access with over-water and
air-to-ground range has provided quality training to
TACAIR pilots for decades.
Despite comments to the contrary, NAS
Oceana's resources continue to provide high-quality
training. There's never been any official Navy
statement referencing degraded training capabilities
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As stated before, each field has its own
pluses and minuses. The flight restrictions imposed
by the FAA upon operations at Cecil Field have been a
negative impact for years and will likely get worse a s
air traffic through Florida increases. The expanded
traffic flow into Orlando will likely adversely affect
the use of the Pinecastle bombing range in the future.
On the contrary, NAS Oceanats location
allows much improved synergy to train in accordance
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squadrons and those based elsewhere.
Fighter squadrons at NAS Oceana need to
train with Navy E-2 squadrons, surface ships, Special
Forces, Marine Corps units at Camp Lejune, and a t MCAS
Cherry Point, as well as active duty Air Force
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with the DOD Training Transformation Guidelines,
particularly when compared to Cecil Field.
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enlisted training a s part of the Navy's Revolution In
Training and Sea Enterprise concept as well as joint
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enlisted and maintenance training.
The System of Systems for training
systems e x t e n d s into Homeland security with combined
area resources for force protection.
This consolidation of training assets in
the fleet concentration center will improve readiness
if NAS Oceana stays here in this area as well.
To emphasize my previous comments with
reference to field carrier landing practice
differences between OLF Whitehouse and OLF Fentress.
I reject the implications that aviators
are at any greater risk when flying aboard an aircraft
carrier if their field carxier landing practice
training was conducted at OLF Fentress, vice OLF
Whitehouse. The pattern differences that exist are
considered acceptable deviations in training and h a v e
served us well in t h e p a s t .
Cecil Commerce Field is only a guess a s
t o who gets hurt if we g u e s s wrong. The Cecil
proposal is immensely speculative and if adopted could
easily impair and degrade the Navy's readiness and
mission capabilities in the future.
We cannot create tomorrow's Navy by
relying on the opinions of yesterday's naval
leadership. The current Navy leadership and the
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Secretary of Defense have made their decisions crystal
clear: NAS Oceana must not be closed and remains the
best choice for naval aviation training on the East
Coast.
The Navy trains its people for demanding
skills, piloting aircraft, operating nuclear
propulsion on submarines, surface ships, and on and on
as I referred to in the System of Systems.
T h e r e is a n exemplary record of success
t o show how t h i s long-established training syllabus
has worked here at NAS Oceana. There's absolutely no
credible evidence t h a t pilots trained at NAS Oceana
are any less qualified and competent and capable of
those trained anywhere else.
NAS Oceana served us well for decades
with the resources that still exist today.
It's wrong to rely on the biased opinions
of a few disgruntled aviators and disregard and ignore
the informed, honest, and comprehensive statements of
the Chief of Naval Operations.
Only he has knowledge from every level of
command and every u n i t y in his organization concerning
the quality of training and morale of his people. And
the CNO has stated that he prefers to remain at NAS
Oceana.
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interdependent organization and is moving away from
stovepipes formed of military organizations into the
System of Systems that I have described.
Moving a key element s u c h a s NAS Oceana
will h a v e far-reaching, adverse consequences to the
Navy's revolution training as it collocates in Harnpton
Roads.
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Aug. 22. 2 0 0 5
:OMMONWEALTH OF V I R G I N I A AT LARGE, to wit:
I, S c o t t D. Gregg, R P R , a N o t a r y Public for
che Commonwealth of V i r g l n i a at Large , of
qualification i n the circuit C o u r t of the City of
l o r f o l k whose commission expires July 31, 2008, do
hereby certify that the w i t h i n person, CAPTAIN P H I L
GRANDFIELD, R E T I R E D , appeared be fore me a t Virginia
Beach, V i r g i n i a , a s hereinbefore s e t forth; and after
b e i n g f i r s t d u l y sworn by me, thereupon made the above
statement; t h a t h i s statement was recorded in
stenotype by me and reduced to t y p e s c r i p t u n d e r my
direction; and that the foregoing transcript
constitute5 a True, a c c u r a t e , and complete transcript,
I f u r t h e r cextify that I am not r e l a t e d to
n o r otherwise associated with any party to this
proceed ing , nor otherwise interested in t h e even t
t h e r e o f . Given under my hand a n d n o t a r i a l seal at
Norfolk, 2005.
S c o t t D. Gregg, RPR
Notary Public
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EXECUTIVE OFFICE OF THE GOVERNOR FAX COVER SHEET
DATE: August 22,2005
PLEASE DEILIVER THE FOLLOWING 1 5 PAGES (INCLUDING COVER SHEET)
TO: Bill Fetzer Senior Analyst Navy Team
FAX: 703-699-2735
FROM: Governor Jeb Bush Executive Office of the Governor
PHONE NUMBER: 850-488-5603 PAX NUMBER: 850-922-4292
MESSAGE: Attached is a copy of Florida's comprehensive proposal to reopen Naval Air Station (NAS) Cecil Field. The original document is being sent via Federal Express to arrive tomorrow morning, Tuesday, August 23,2005.
Thank you.
Governor Bush