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SPEAKER: Ivor Ries, Wilson HTM Investment Group LOCATION: Melbourne DATE: August 2012 ASX INVESTMENT TALKS Investing in internet stocks DISCLAIMER: The views, opinions or recommendations of the presenters are solely their own and do not in any way reflect the views, opinions, recommendations, of ASX Limited ABN 98 008 624 691 and its related bodies corporate (ASX). Information and material presented at the seminar is for educational purposes only and does not constitute financial product advice. Investors should obtain independent advice from an Australian financial services licensee before making investment decisions. No responsibility is accepted by ASX for any loss or damage arising in any way (including due to negligence) from anyone acting or refraining from acting as a result of this information or material. © Copyright 2012 ASX Operations Pty Limited ABN 42 004 523 782. All rights reserved 2012 .

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Page 1: ASX INVESTMENT TALKS · 2012-09-03 · The other stuff… 0% 10% 20% 30% 40% 50% 60% 70% 80% Purchase Groceries Gambline Trade Shares Sell Goods & Services Online Auctions Government

SPEAKER: Ivor Ries, Wilson HTM Investment Group

LOCATION: Melbourne

DATE: August 2012

ASX INVESTMENT TALKS

Investing in internet stocks

DISCLAIMER: The views, opinions or recommendations of the presenters are solely their own and

do not in any way reflect the views, opinions, recommendations, of ASX Limited ABN 98 008 624 691

and its related bodies corporate (“ASX”). Information and material presented at the seminar is for

educational purposes only and does not constitute financial product advice. Investors should obtain

independent advice from an Australian financial services licensee before making investment

decisions. No responsibility is accepted by ASX for any loss or damage arising in any way (including

due to negligence) from anyone acting or refraining from acting as a result of this information or

material.

© Copyright 2012 ASX Operations Pty Limited ABN 42 004 523 782. All rights reserved 2012.

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Investing in Internet Stocks Ivor Ries

Senior Research Analyst

Wilson HTM Investment Group Ltd

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Growth in online advertising

Growth in online shopping

Growth in online services

Sector growth continuing at 3-4 times GDP

Exposure to offshore markets

Low capex needs – high dividend growth

Volatility – can be traded for profit

Why invest in online stocks

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Rapid levels of technology change

Companies must continually innovate to survive

Trends difficult to predict

High multiples

Risks in online stocks

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Online stocks – relative performance

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August 2006 = 1, Index composed of SEK, REA, CRZ, WEB, MCU (to Aug10)

Internet Sector Performance

Internet

All Ords

Media

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Dow Jones Internet Index (DJINET)

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Trend 1: Advertising

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Print Vs Online Ads USA

Online

Print

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Trend 1: Advertising Australia

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Print Vs Online Australia ($m)

Print

Online

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Trend 2: Online Shopping

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Non-Food Retail Trend ($b)

NF Retail

NF+ Online

Online OS

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Trend 2: Online Shopping

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2006 2007 2008 2009 2010 2011 2012 2013 2014 2015

Frost & Sullivan Forecasts ($b)

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The other stuff…

0% 10% 20% 30% 40% 50% 60% 70% 80%

Purchase Groceries

Gambline

Trade Shares

Sell Goods & Services

Online Auctions

Government Services

Property Search

Purchase Travel/Hotels

Purchase Goods & Services

Pay Bills

Banking

E-commerce activities in the past six months

Banking

Pay Bills

Purchase Goods & Services

Purchase Travel/Hotels

Property Search

Government Services

Online Auctions

Sell Goods & Services

Trade Shares

Gambling

Purchase Groceries

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No longer small caps

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SEEK REA Group Carsales.com Wotif Webjet

Market Capitalisation ($m)

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Big Three Strategy

Big Three Category Killers

SEEK Employment ads, education

Carsales Automobiles & liesure goods

REA Real estate

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High level of new product innovation

Willing to sacrifice short-term earnings

Do not chase margin above all other factors

Dominate a sector

Focus on tight group of activities

Common features

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Big Three Strategy

Big Three Online Vs Australia Inc Profits

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2004 2005 2006 2007 2008 2009 2010 2011 2012 2013 2014 2015 2016

Online Big3

Australia Inc

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Big 3 Strategy

Big Three Online Vs Australia Inc Profits

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2011 2012 2013 2014 2015 2016

Online Big3

Australia Inc

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Companies that lose their way

Webjet Vs Wotif

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WEB

WTF

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Slowing revenue momentum

Profit growth delivered by cost reductions, rather than investment in reinvigorating growth

Changes in competitive landscape

Management slow to change

Common danger signs

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Companies that have yet to produce significant cash flows, or have high cash burn rates

Companies with “new paradigm” technologies

Explosive capital growth upon success, but less than one-in-20 chance of becoming viable.

Only for professionals or people who like to lose money

Early stage investment

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Investing Abroad

PowerShares NASDAQ Internet Portfolio

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Pick well-established companies that have continuing revenue momentum

Companies that re-invest heavily at the expense of earnings

Spread your bets

Overseas – ETF is best

Conclusions

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