big bang and starlight travel
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Larry Kisner
Arizona Origin Science Association
World View Outreach Church
Big Bang?God Created
TopicsHow did the universe begin?
Is the Big Bang the Answer?
Did the Big Bang happen
or is it coming?
What about the Starlight and Time Problem?
Credits: Adapted from presentations
by Mike Riddle and Dr. Russ Humphries
Big Bang – Then What?
Questions for Evolutionists
Origin of the Universe
1. What specific evidence supports the claim of a natural origin of the universe?
2. Explain how something can come from nothing in contradiction to the first law of thermodynamics.
3. What is the evidence that the universe increased in its order and complexity after the big bang in contradiction to the second law of thermodynamics.
Two Models
Biblical model God spoke the universe into existence
Young universe
God created the stars
Evolution / Theistic evolution Big Bang
Universe 12 – 15 billion years old
Stellar formation (natural processes)
Evaluating the Evidence
Evidence against one position is
support for the other position
What is the actual evidence
To support creation or evolution
Evidence against evolution is
Support for creation
If the cosmos is so young,
how can we see so much of it?
A Young-EarthCosmology
Farthest Galaxy seen:14 Billion Light-years
If light traveled that distance at today's speed, would it have had time to get here?
By Dr. Russell Humphries
Earlier creationist
theories were not adequate
1. Light createdin transit
2. Speed of lighthas decreased
Theory Problems
Fictional history in the skyNo scientific explanations
Data against itTheory unclear
Neither explains other phenomenaNeither gives decisive biblical basis
The Bible + relativity
= different clock rates
Earth near center of universe
Clocks slower near center
Enough time to see stars
Billions of years
Summary
1day
This newer creationist theory
starts from a Biblical basis
Biblical assumption gives a different cosmology
Big bang theory uses a non-biblical assumption
The Big-bang assumption needs scrutiny
ho mo ge ne ous : uniform composition throughout
Big bang theories assume
the cosmos is the same everywhere
“ ... our position in space is [not]specially distinguished in any way…this assumption ... [implies] that …the universe is approximatelyspatially homogeneous .”
— Stephen Hawking & George Ellis,The Large Scale Structure of Space-Time
The assumption means the cosmos
would have no edge or center
"In popular literature ...the universe ... has acenter and an edge.
"This is wrong ...[It] has no center and edge."
— Edward R. Harrison, Cosmology
Edge
of Matter
Center
of Matter
The Public's Big Bang:
―Island‖ universe
Big Bang theorists imagine
that matter fills all space
The Experts’ Big Bang:
Travel infinitely—
you’ll never find space
without galaxies
No edge of matter
—no center !
(Window frame)
But the Bible says there is a center
Waters
Expanse
And God said, “Let
there be an expanse
in the midst of the
waters…”—Genesis 1:6
expanse
waters
below
The Earth is near the center
[God] separated the
waters which were
below the expanse from
the waters which were
above the expanse… —Genesis 1:7
Became the Earth
(Genesis 1:9,10)
―Island‖ universe with Earth near center
The expanse is big
“Let there be lights in
the expanse of the
heavens …to give light
on the earth” … and it
was so. —Genesis 1:14,15
―Island‖ universe with Earth near center
The expanse is big
“Let there be lights in
the expanse of the
heavens …to give light
on the earth” … and it
was so. —Genesis 1:14,15
A center makes gravity important
Big Bang Cosmos Biblical Cosmos
Matter fills all space Island Universe
No net force Net force toward center
In the Biblical cosmos,we must reckon with gravity
Scripture says gravity affects the cosmos
For as the heavens are
higher than the earth…—Isaiah 55:9
―Altitude‖
Distance
Distance
Big Bang
Biblical
―Altitude‖
Earth
Earth
Heavens
Heavens
Scientists agree: gravity affects time
Gravitational time dilation
— Lower clocks tick slower
Shown by experiment
Predicted by Einstein
Slow
Fast
If today's cosmos is an “island”,clocks near its center tick ~ 2% slower
2 % Slower
Faster
20 Billionlight-years
Insignificant today, but what about the past?
Billions of years
In the past,
the cosmos was smaller
Evidence for expansion:Scientific: Red shift of light from galaxies
Biblical: 17 verses in Old Testament, such as:
Who stretches out the heavens like a curtain
And spreads them out like a tent to dwell in.
— Isaiah 40:22
When the cosmos was smaller,
clocks at the center were very slow
1 Day
Billionsof years
0.5 Billionlight-years
This happened on the fourth day of creation
During six days on earth, billions
of years elapsed in the distant sky
Age of Universewhen Adam saw it
= 6 days, E.S.T.(Earth Standard Time)
So light from distant galaxies could reach us,and distant objects would appear to be "old."
This theory follows
straightforwardly from the Bible
+ =
+ =
―Island‖ Cosmos
Unbounded Cosmos
Relativity ―White-hole‖ Theory
Relativity Big-bang Theories
Youngearth
Bang!
The basics of this theory
are scientifically sound
If the cosmos is an “island”
— clock rates must be different
If the cosmos has expanded
— clock rates must have been very different
From all the science we know,
these conclusions are unavoidable !
God used relativity
to let us see a young universe
Conclusion
Enough time to see galaxies
Clocks on earth slow during 4th day
1day
Book and video explain much more
The meaning of “very good” in Genesis 1:31
Death before sin
The Genesis Flood was not worldwide
Colossians 1:16 “all” does not mean all
things
What do the heavens declare: God or
evolution?
The authority of Scripture
God’s creation was not 6-days
Implications of the Big Bang
Big Bang or Big Deception
The big bang is NOT a fact
Most evidence contradicts the big bang
Many scientists (including astronomers)
disagree with the big bang
The Bible does NOT teach the big bang
The Bible teaches a young earth (universe)
which agrees with science
Lift up your eyes on high, and behold who hath
created these things, that bringeth out their
host by number:…
Isaiah 40:26
And God made two great lights; the greater
light to rule the day, and the lesser light to rule
the night: he made the stars also.
Genesis 1:16
The Origin of the Universe
When I consider thy heavens, the work
of thy fingers, the moon and the stars,
which thou hast ordained;
Psalms 8:3
(Ps 19:1) The heavens declare the glory
of God
(Ps 33:6) By the word of the Lord were
the heavens made; and all the host of
them …
(Ps 148:5) … for he commanded, and
they were created
(Ex 20:11) For in six days…
The Origin of the Universe
I, even my hands, have stretched out
the heavens, and all their hosts have I
commanded (Is 45:12)
Thou, even thou, are Lord alone; thou
hast made heaven, the heaven of
heavens, with all their host…
Nehemiah 9:6
The Origin of the Universe
(John 1:3) All things were made by him…
(Rev 4:11) …for thou hast created all
things, and for thy pleasure they are
and were created
17 times the Bible declares that God stretched
the heavens
2 Sam 22:10 Job 37:18 Isaiah 51:13
Psalm 18:9 Isaiah 40:22 Jeremiah 10:12
Psalm 104:2 Isaiah 42:5 Jeremiah 51:15
Psalm 144:5 Isaiah 44:24 Ezekiel 1:22
Job 9:8 Isaiah 45:12 Zechariah 12:1
Job 26:7 Isaiah 48:13
Nothing Too Difficult for God
God created trees mature with fruit
God created mature animals
God created Adam mature
Jesus fed the 5,000
Jesus turned water into wine
Jesus withered the fig tree (Matt 21:18-19)
Instant learning of language (Tower of Babel)
Instant healing of soldier’s ear (Luke 22:51)
Creation was “very good” (Gen 1:31)
A God of Miracles
What Did Jesus Say
Jesus confirmed Moses: John 5:46-47
God wrote it down for Moses: Ex. 20:11
Jesus confirmed Abel: Matt 23:35
Jesus confirmed the Flood: Matt 24:37-39
Jesus confirmed creation: Mark 10:6
Jesus is the Creator
John 1:1-3, Col 1:16, Heb 1:1-3, Eph 3:9
Why do you believe the Resurrection if
you don’t believe the Creation ?