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000011 STATE OF ALABAMA2 DEPARTMENT OF CONSERVATI ON3 AND NATURAL RESOURCES4 ADVI SORY BOARD MEETI NG5 * * * * *6 TAKEN BEFORE NI COLE PAULK,7 CERTI FI ED SHORTHAND REPORTER, ON FEBRUARY8 12, 2005, COMMENCI NG AT 9: 01 A. M. , I N THE9 ALABAMA STATE CAPI TOL AUDI TORI UM, 600

10 DEXTER AVENUE, MONTGOMERY, ALABAMA.11 * * * * *12 BOARD MEMBERS:13 MR. DAN MOULTRI E, CHAI RMAN14 MR. M. BARNETT LAWLEY, COMMI SSI ONER15 MR. ROSS M. SELF16 MR. LOUI S W. COLES17 MR. J OHNNY M. J OHNSON18 DR. A. WAYNE MAY19 MR. W. GRANT LYNCH

20 MR. J AMES W. PORTER, I I21 MR. MARVI N WI LLI S22 MR. BI LL HATLEY23 MR. GEORGE HARBI N

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000021 * * * * *2 MR. MOULTRI E: THE FEBRUARY 12TH3 MEETI NG OF THE ADVI SORY BOARD WI LL COME TO4 ORDER. I WOULD LI KE TO WELCOME EVERYBODY5 TO MONTGOMERY. THE BOARD I S GLAD ALL OF6 YOU ALL ARE HERE. THE I NVOCATI ON WI LL BE7 GI VEN BY MR. J OHN J OHNSON. J OHN?8 ( I NVOCATI ON GI VEN. )9 MR. MOULTRI E: THANK YOU,

10 MR. J OHNSON. FOR THE NEXT ORDER OF11 BUSI NESS, I ' D LI KE TO CALL ON COMMI SSI ONER12 BARNETT LAWLEY TO I NTRODUCE THE MEMBERS OF13 THE BOARD. COMMI SSI ONER?14 COMMI SSI ONER LAWLEY: I WANT TO15 WELCOME EVERYBODY TO THE ADVI SORY BOARD16 MEETI NG. I ' LL J UST START AT THE FAR END,17 GEORGE, AND LET EVERYBODY I NTRODUCE18 THEMSELVES. I THI NK EVERYBODY I S FAMI LI AR19 WI TH EVERYBODY, BUT I F YOU' LL J UST RAI SE

20 YOUR HAND AND SAY YOUR NAME.21 MR. HARBI N: I ' M GEORGE HARBI N,22 AND I REPRESENT DI STRI CT 4.23 MR. HATLEY: I ' M BI LL HATLEY, AND

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000031 I REPRESENT DI STRI CT 1.2 MR. SELF: I ' M ROSS SELF, AND I3 REPRESENT DI STRI CT 1.4 MR. LYNCH: GRANT LYNCH,5 REPRESENTI NG DI STRI CT 3.6 MR. PORTER: J I M PORTER, DI STRI CT7 6.8 MR. MAY: WAYNE MAY, DI STRI CT 7.9 MR. COLES: LOUI S COLES, DI STRI CT

10 2.11 MR. J OHNSON: J OHNNY J OHNSON,12 DI STRI CT 7.13 MR. WI LLI S: MARVI N "BUDDY"14 WI LLI S, DI STRI CT 5.15 COMMI SSI ONER LAWLEY: I REALLY16 APPRECI ATE ALL THE WORK THAT THESE MEN DO.17 AND THEY TRY TO REPRESENT THE DI STRI CTS18 BECAUSE THAT' S THEI R J OB TO REPRESENT THE19 WI LL OF THAT DI STRI CT. A LOT OF TI MES I T' S

20 NOT YOUR PERSONAL THOUGHTS, BUT WE WANT THE21 PEOPLE TO BE ABLE TO BE REPRESENTED, TO22 HAVE THE TI ME AND TO BE ABLE TO GET THEI R23 POI NT ACROSS. AND WE' RE DOI NG SOMETHI NG

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000041 DI FFERENT THI S YEAR. WE' RE CHANGI NG2 ADVI SORY BOARD PROCEDURES. I N THE PAST3 WE' VE HAD TWO MEETI NGS, AND A MOTI ON COULD4 COME UP, BE VOTED ON AT THAT MEETI NG. SOME5 BOARD MEMBERS WOULD HAVE HAD KNOWLEDGE,6 SOME WOULD NOT HAVE HAD KNOWLEDGE. THE7 PUBLI C, YOU OUT THERE, SOME WOULD HAVE SOME8 KNOWLEDGE; SOME WOULD HAVE NONE. BUT9 OBVI OUSLY, THERE WAS NO TI ME FOR PUBLI C

10 COMMENT OR NO TI ME FOR ALL THE BOARD TO BE11 ABLE TO RESEARCH A PARTI CULAR MOTI ON THAT12 WAS MADE. SO WHAT WE' RE TRYI NG TO DO - -13 AND THI S I S NOT WRI TTEN I N STONE THI S YEAR.14 I MEAN, J UST THE GOALS ARE THAT YOU HAVE15 TI ME TO EXPRESS YOUR VI EW, THAT THE HUNTERS16 AND THE FI SHERMEN AND THE PUBLI C HAS TI ME17 TO COMMUNI CATE THROUGH THEI R ADVI SORY BOARD18 MEMBERS, ALSO TO ME, AND THE DEPARTMENT OF19 CONSERVATI ON. WE WANT TO HEAR WHAT YOUR

20 VI EWS ARE ON DI FFERENT I SSUES. I SSUES THAT21 COME UP TODAY, SOME OF THEM WI LL BE WI THI N22 OUR DEPARTMENT. SOME OF THEM WI LL BE FROM

23 YOU. BUT THOSE I SSUES CANNOT BE VOTED ON

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000051 TODAY. THOSE I SSUES WI LL BE VOTED ON AT2 THE MARCH MEETI NG. THI S GI VES US TI ME TO3 GET I NPUT. I T GI VES THE PROFESSI ONALS ON4 OUR STAFF I N THE DEPARTMENT OF CONSERVATI ON5 TI ME TO RESEARCH THOSE I SSUES, AND I THI NK6 I T' S THE WAY THE SYSTEM SHOULD WORK. I7 KNOW MY CHARGE FROM MY BOSS I S TO HAVE I T8 OPEN, LET EVERYBODY SPEAK, KNOW WHAT THEI R9 VI EWS ARE, AND MAKE DI LI GENT DECI SI ONS THAT

10 BEST REPRESENT WHAT PEOPLE I N THE STATE11 WANT, WI TH FI RST PRI ORI TY BEI NG TO PROTECT12 AND PRESERVE THE NATURAL RESOURCES OF THE13 STATE OF ALABAMA. SO BEAR WI TH US. WE' RE14 GOI NG TO MAKE MI STAKES AND THE ESTEEMED15 PRESS SI TTI NG UP HERE TODAY, THEY HAVE SO16 ELOQUENTLY POI NTED OUT THAT THI S WAS A17 PROBLEM, AND I AGREE WHOLEHEARTEDLY THI S18 WAS A PROBLEM. SO WE WANT EVERYBODY TO19 FEEL LI KE THAT THEY HAVE HAD A CHANCE TO

20 EXPRESS THEI R VI EWS; THAT' S WHY WE' RE21 CHANGI NG THE FORMAT. SO BE PATI ENT, WORK22 WI TH US. THERE ARE GOI NG TO BE SI TUATI ONS23 PROBABLY I N THE NEXT MEETI NG, BUT WE' RE

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000061 GOI NG TO BE VERY FLEXI BLE THI S FI RST YEAR2 SO PEOPLE CAN ADJ UST TO THE THREE MEETI NG3 SYSTEM AND NONVOTI NG - - NOT VOTI NG ON4 I SSUES THAT PREVI OUSLY HAVE NOT BEEN5 DI SCUSSED. SO I HOPE EVERYBODY LI KES THE6 SYSTEM. I THI NK I T' LL WORK. I THI NK I T' LL7 GI VE EVERYBODY TI ME TO UNDERSTAND WHAT8 I SSUES - - OR ABOUT ANY I SSUE THAT I S COMI NG9 UP AND WE CAN BETTER REPRESENT THE PEOPLE

10 AND THE NATURAL RESOURCES I N THE STATE.11 EXCUSE ME, LET ME GET MY GLASSES.12 MR. MOULTRI E: THANK YOU,13 COMMI SSI ONER. ARE THERE ANY CORRECTI ONS TO14 THE MI NUTES OF THE MAY 22, 2004 BOARD15 MEETI NG?16 ( NO RESPONSE. )17 MR. MOULTRI E: I F NOT, THOSE18 MI NUTES STAND APPROVED AS READ. THE NEXT19 ORDER OF BUSI NESS I S OLD BUSI NESS. I S

20 THERE ANY OLD BUSI NESS THAT NEEDS TO BE21 BROUGHT UP?22 ( NO RESPONSE. )23 MR. MOULTRI E: I F NOT, THE NEXT

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000071 ORDER OF BUSI NESS I S DEPARTMENTAL REPORTS.2 I ' D LI KE TO CALL ON COMMI SSI ONER LAWLEY TO3 I NTRODUCE EACH DEPARTMENT.4 COMMI SSI ONER LAWLEY: THE5 DI RECTORS OF THE DI VI SI ON, I WANT TO TAKE A6 SECOND TO THANK THEM FOR THE HARD WORK AND7 DI LI GENT EFFORT THAT THEY DO. WHEN YOU' RE8 LOCKED UP I N THE FOLSOM BUI LDI NG ACROSS THE9 STREET, YOU' RE NOT REALLY VI SI BLE TO A LOT

10 OF PEOPLE, AND THERE' S A LOT OF DETAI L I N11 EVERYTHI NG AND THERE' S A LOT OF RESEARCH I N12 ALL THAT THEY DO, SO I APPRECI ATE THEM AND13 Y' ALL CERTAI NLY SHOULD. AND WE DO HAVE14 REPORTS THAT THEY WI LL GI VE. THEY HAVE15 SOME RECOMMENDATI ONS THAT - - TO BE16 CONSI DERED I N MARCH, AND, CORKY, I F YOU17 DON' T MI ND, I WI LL CALL ON YOU TO START18 WI TH. AND THE REASON I ' M DOI NG THAT I S HE19 NEEDS TO GET OUT OF HERE.

20 MR. PUGH: GOOD MORNI NG. I ' LL NOT21 GOI NG TO WEED THROUGH THE REPORT YOU HAVE22 I N YOUR PACKET. I ' LL J UST CALL YOUR23 ATTENTI ON TO SEVERAL I TEMS I N THERE. THI S

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000081 PAST YEAR WE' VE HAD 63 COMMUNI TY FI SHI NG2 EVENTS FOR KI DS WI TH OVER 12, 0003 PARTI CI PANTS; 48 I N YOUTH DEVELOPMENT WI TH4 OVER 1500 YOUTH. 29 PERCENT OF THOSE KI DS,5 THAT' S THEI R FI RST HUNTI NG EXPERI ENCE.6 WE' VE GOT 70 SCHOOLS CERTI FI ED I N OUR7 DEPARTMENT OF SCHOOLS PROGRAM. 40 OF THOSE8 SCHOOLS ARE ACTUALLY I MPLEMENTI NG A9 TWO- WEEK DEPARTMENT PROGRAM I N THEI R PE

10 CLASS WI TH THE KI DS, SO WE' LL CONTI NUE TO11 FORGE AHEAD WI TH THOSE OUTREACH EFFORTS.12 J UST CALL YOUR ATTENTI ON TO SOME OF THE13 OTHER THI NGS I N YOUR PACKET. WE FORMED THE14 ALABAMA QUAI L COUNCI L, AND WE REALLY ARE15 VERY OPTI MI STI C ABOUT WHAT WE MAY BE ABLE16 TO DO TO BRI NG QUAI L BACK. THE WI LDLI FE17 ENHANCEMENT UNI T HAS BEEN FORMED TO STEP UP18 OUR EFFORTS TO WORK AS PRI VATE LANDOWNERS.19 PRI VATE LANDOWNERS OWN MOST OF THE WI LDLI FE

20 HABI TAT I N THE SOUTHEAST, AND OUR ABI LI TY21 TO I MPACT DECI SI ONS ABOUT WHAT HAPPENS WI TH22 THAT HABI TAT DEPENDS ON OUR ABI LI TY TO DEAL23 WI TH THOSE PRI VATE LANDOWNERS. YOU' RE

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000091 GOI NG TO SEE US REALLY RAMP UP OUR EFFORTS2 TO DO THAT.3 CHRONI C WASTE DI SEASE4 SURVEI LLANCE CONTI NUED THI S YEAR. THERE5 WERE OVER 700 RANDOMLY COLLECTED SPECI MENS,6 AND ALL OF THOSE TESTED NEGATI VE. WE DON' T7 HAVE CHRONI C WASTE DI SEASE I N ALABAMA, AND8 WE' LL CONTI NUE THAT SURVEI LLANCE. WI LDLI FE9 SECTI ON PERSONNEL TRAP BAND I N A RELEASE

10 OVER 1100 MOURNI NG DOVES AS PART OF A BAND11 AI D RESEARCH STUDY OF POPULATI ONS. THAT' S12 PART OF A LARGER NATI ONWI DE EFFORT. WE13 MAKE ON THE RECORD 56 BALD EAGLE NESTS I N14 THE STATE, AND THE BALD EAGLE HAS BEEN15 RECOMMENDED FOR DELI STI NG FOR THE16 THREATENED SPECI ES. AS FAR AS OUR STAFFI NG17 LEVELS I N ENFORCEMENT, WE' RE CARRYI NG 2518 AGENCI ES. WE' LL FI LL TEN CONSERVATI ON19 ENFORCEMENT OFFI CER POSI TI ONS THI S YEAR,

20 AND WE LOOK FOR ABOUT THAT MANY TO RETI RE,21 SO THAT' S A CONSTANT ONGOI NG EFFORT OF22 FI LLI NG A HOLE I N A BUCKET AS FAR AS23 KEEPI NG OUR STAFFI NG LEVELS UP. WE SET UP

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000101 24/ 7 COVERAGE AS FAR AS COMMUNI CATI ONS UNI T2 SO WHEN THE CI TI ZENS TRY TO CONTACT3 ENFORCEMENT OFFI CER, THEY CAN GET AHOLD OF4 SOMEBODY RATHER THAN RELYI NG ON OUR5 OFFI CERS ANSWERI NG THE PHONE AT HOME TO TRY6 TO DO THAT, WE' VE GOT 24/ 7 COVERAGE HERE,7 AND I T' S WORKI NG OUT A LOT BETTER.8 A COUPLE OF THI NGS NOT9 I N YOUR REPORT THAT I WANT TO CALL YOUR

10 ATTENTI ON TO. WE GAI NED APPROVAL A COUPLE11 OF WEEKS AGO FROM THE LEGI SLATI VE OVERSI GHT12 COMMI TTEE ON AUTOMOBI LE PLATES, TO SELL13 THESE "TAKE A KI D FI SHI NG" AUTOMOBI LE TAGS.14 AND I WOULD ENCOURAGE EVERYBODY TO GO SI GN15 UP TO BUY ONE OF THOSE. WE HAVE TO PRESELL16 1, 000 OF THOSE TAGS BEFORE PRODUCTI ON17 BEGI NS. I T' S A GOOD- LOOKI NG PLATE. THE18 BOTTOM OF THE TAG SAYS "TAKE A KI D19 FI SHI NG. " THE PROCEEDS FROM THAT LI CENSE

20 PLATE WI LE BE USED FOR THREE PURPOSES: ONE21 I S TO I MPROVE FI SH HABI TAT I N ALABAMA;22 ANOTHER I S TO EXPAND THOSE COMMUNI TY23 FI SHI NG EVENTS FOR KI DS; AND THI RDLY, TO

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000111 RESTORE AQUATI C SPECI ES. AND THOSE ARE THE2 ONLY PURPOSES FOR WHI CH THAT MONEY CAN BE3 SPENT.4 ANOTHER I TEM I CALL TO5 YOUR ATTENTI ON THERE TO, THERE' S BEEN A LOT6 OF TALK OVER THE PAST FEW YEARS ABOUT THE7 CLI ENT AND HUNTER PARTI CI PATI ON. AND I T8 OCCURRED TO ME THAT WE OUGHT TO TRY TO9 QUASH THAT. I LOOKED AT THE LI CENSE SALES,

10 AND THESE WERE J UST THE YEARS THAT WERE11 READI LY AVAI LABLE. SI NCE 1991, THERE' S12 BEEN A 3. 7 PERCENT DECLI NE - - 3. 7 PERCENT.13 ANY DECLI NE I S UNDESI RABLE, BUT THAT' S ONLY14 AN AVERAGE DECLI NE PER YEAR FOR THE PAST 1315 YEARS OF 0. 28 PERCENT. THE REASON I WANT16 TO POI NT THAT OUT, SOME OF THE ANTI - HUNTERS17 WANT TO PAI NT A PI CTURE OF HUNTI NG18 PARTI CI PATI ON STATI STI CALLY DROPPI NG. I T' S19 NOT THAT WAY. WE ARE SLOWLY BLEEDI NG;

20 WE' RE NOT HEMORRHAGI NG. DON' T BUY ANYBODY21 TRYI NG TO CONVI NCE THAT YOU HUNTI NG HAS22 FALLEN BY THE WAY SI DE; THAT' S NOT THE CASE23 I N ALABAMA.

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000121 I ' D LI KE TO POI NT OUT2 LEGI SLATI ON AND REGULATI ONS THAT ARE BEI NG3 PROPOSED. AS YOU LI KELY KNOW, THERE' S BEEN4 AN OUTCRY FROM THE MAI NSTREAM HUNTI NG5 COMMUNI TY ABOUT THE I NTERNET BASED CANNED6 HUNTS I N TEXAS. I N FACT, I WAS TOLD THAT7 THERE WAS AN EPI SODE ON CSI THI S WEEK ABOUT8 CANNED HUNTI NG. I DI DN' T SEE I T. THERE9 ARE A NUMBER OF STATES THAT ALREADY HAVE I N

10 PLACE PROHI BI TI ONS ON CANNED HUNTI NG.11 WE' RE PROPOSI NG A BI LL THAT PROHI BI TS SAI D12 HUNTS WHERE THE HUNTER I S GUARANTEED A13 PARTI CULAR ANI MAL OR WHERE THE ANI MAL I S14 HOBBLED OR TI ED OR STAKED OR OTHERWI SE15 UNABLE TO EVADE THE HUNTER. THE BI LL WOULD16 PROHI BI T THE HUNTI NG OF EXOTI CS, I NCLUDI NG17 BI G CATS. WHAT' S HAPPENI NG I N THOSE18 SI TUATI ONS I S PEOPLE ARE GETTI NG RETI RED19 CI RCUS ANI MALS, LI ONS AND TI GERS, AND I N A

20 VERY SMALL PEN, MAKI NG THEM AVAI LABLE TO21 SOMEBODY TO SHOOT FOR A FEE. GENTLEMEN,22 THAT' S NOT HUNTI NG. OUR ABI LI TY TO23 MAI NTAI N THE HI GH LEVEL OF PUBLI C

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000141 ESSENTI ALLY, WE WOULD PROPOSE $250 FOR ALL2 SPECI ES EXCEPT MEMBERS OF THE FAMI LY3 CERVI DAE.4 MR. J OHNSON: EXCEPT MEMBERS OF5 THE WHAT?6 MR. PUGH: BEAR OR FAMI LY MEMBERS7 OF THE FAMI LY CERVI DAE. THE CERVI DAE THAT8 THEY KI LL WI LL BE $50 FOR THE FI RST 509 ANI MALS; $500 FOR 51 TO 100; $1, 000 FOR ANY

10 NUMBER OF ANI MALS I N EXCESS OF 100. THERE11 ARE REPORTI NG REQUI REMENTS SET OUT I N THE12 BI LL. THERE' S A PENALTY SECTI ON I N THE13 BI LL FOR PEOPLE WHO VI OLATE THE LAW I N THAT14 BUSI NESS. I T WOULD PROVI DE THAT FOR THE15 FI RST VI OLATI ON CONVI CTI ON, THERE WOULD BE16 A FI NE NO LESS THAN $500 OR MORE THAN17 $2, 000 FOR EACH OFFENSE, AND AT THE18 DI SCRETI ON OF THE COURT, THE GAME BREEDERS19 LI CENSE PRI VI LEGES WOULD BE REVOKED FOR A

20 PERI OD OF UP TO TWO YEARS FROM THE DATE OF21 CONVI CTI ON. SECOND OFFENSES WI THI N FI VE22 YEARS WOULD BE PUNI SHABLE BY A FI NE NOT23 LESS THAN $1, 000 OR MORE THAN $2, 000 FOR

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000151 EACH OFFENSE, AND UPON CONVI CTI ON, ALL GAME2 BREEDERS LI CENSE PRI VI LEGES WOULD BE3 REVOKED FOR A PERI OD OF UP TO TWO YEARS4 FROM THE DATE OF CONVI CTI ON. THI RD AND5 SUBSEQUENT OFFENSE WI THI N FI VE YEARS WOULD6 BE PUNI SHABLE BY A FI NE OF NOT LESS THAN7 $2, 000 FOR EACH OFFENSE AND ALL GAME8 BREEDERS LI CENSE PRI VI LEGES WOULD BE9 REVOKED PERMANENTLY AND ALL STOCK DI SPOSED

10 OF. THERE' S A PROGRESSI VE FI NE AND PENALTY11 ASSOCI ATED WI TH THAT. WE' VE ALSO GOT A REG12 DEALI NG WI TH GAME BREEDERS THAT I ' LL13 EXPLAI N I N J UST A LI TTLE BI T HERE WHEN WE14 GET TO REGS. WE HAVE ANOTHER BI LL THAT15 DEALS WI TH LI CENSED SHOOTI NG PRESERVES.16 BRI EFLY HI TTI NG ON SOME OF THE POI NTS HERE17 THAT WE WANT TO COVER, AND THI S AGAI N I S AN18 ANTI QUATED STATUTE THAT DATES BACK FROM THE19 ' 30S. THERE WOULD BE A MI NI MUM OF 40 ACRES

20 AS OPPOSED TO THE PRESENT 100 ACRES. I T21 MAKES NO DI FFERENCE THE SI ZE OF THE ACREAGE22 THAT SOMEBODY I S SHOOTI NG A QUAI L ON. THE23 SI GNAGE WOULD BE MODI FI ED SO THAT I T WOULD

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000161 BE REQUI RED ALONG PUBLI C ROADS. THE FEE2 WOULD BE I NCREASED FROM $25 A YEAR TO $1003 A YEAR FOR THE FI RST 100 ACRES, AND THEN $54 FOR EVERY 100 AFTER THAT. THE LI CENSE5 PROVI SI ON WOULD BE UPDATED. WE' D REPEAL6 THE TAGGI NG REQUI REMENT, REPEAL THE7 REQUI REMENT THAT THE LI CENSED SHOOTI NG8 PRESERVE KEEP A WRI TTEN RECORD OF EVERYBODY9 WHO I S HUNTI NG THERE. THEY' RE SELLI NG

10 LI CENSES, AND CERTAI NLY WE CAN LOOK AT11 THOSE LI CENSES I F WE NEED TO. THAT' S ABOUT12 I T ON THE LI CENSED SHOOTI NG PRESERVE.13 THERE' S ANOTHER BI LL14 DEALI NG WI TH THE SCI ENTI FI C COLLECTOR15 PERMI T. THI S AGAI N I S A VERY, VERY OLD16 STATUTE THAT REQUI RES A $1 FEE FOR ANYBODY17 WHO' S COLLECTI NG PROTECTED ANI MALS OR BI RDS18 OR EGGS FOR ANY PURPOSES. WE SELL 600 OF19 THOSE $1 PERMI TS A YEAR. AND WHAT WE

20 PROPOSE I S THAT THREE CATEGORI ES OF PERMI TS21 BE ESTABLI SHED I N THE LAW, ONE OF THEM A22 GENERAL PERMI T FOR I NDI VI DUALS FOR $50; AN23 EDUCATI ONAL PERMI T FOR PROFESSORS OR

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000171 TEACHERS WHERE ALL THEI R STUDENTS COULD2 OPERATE UNDER THEI R PERMI T FOR $10; AND A3 MASTER COLLECTI NG PERMI T I NVOLVI NG MORE4 THAN ONE I NDI VI DUAL ACTI NG I N THE NAME OF A5 FI RM, CORPORATI ON, OR AGENCY, FOR $100. AN6 EXAMPLE OF THAT WOULD BE NOAA. WE I SSUED7 40 $1 PERMI TS TO THE NATI ONAL OCEANI C8 ATMOSPHERI C ADMI NI STRATI ON A YEAR. SO WHAT9 WE' RE TRY DO WI TH THAT BI LL I S REDUCE THE

10 BUREAUCRACY FOR THE PERMI TTEES AND FOR OUR11 AGENCY.12 WE HAVE ANOTHER BI LL13 AGAI N DEALI NG WI TH A VERY ANTI QUATED14 STATUTE TO REPEAL THE LAW REQUI RI NG THAT15 ALL GARFI SH THAT ARE CAUGHT BE KI LLED16 BEFORE THEY' RE RETURNED TO THE WATER. AND17 THAT BI LL DATES BACK TO AN ERA WHERE I T WAS18 BELI EVED THAT ROUGH FI SH WERE UNDESI RABLE,19 THAT THEY SOMEHOW COMPETED WI TH THE GAME

20 FI SH AND THAT BI G FI SH WI TH A LOT OF TEETH21 COULDN' T POSSI BLY BE GOOD. I F THAT BI LL22 PASSES, I T WON' T BE I LLEGAL TO KI LL A GAR,23 BUT AT LEAST YOU WON' T BE VI OLATI NG THE LAW

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000181 I F YOU DON' T KI LL THEM.2 WE HAVE ANOTHER BI LL3 TO AMEND THE HUNTER EDUCATI ON LAW. THERE' S4 BEEN A CONCERN FOR A LONG TI ME THAT HUNTER5 EDUCATI ON REQUI REMENTS ARE A BARRI ER TO6 PARTI CI PATI ON FOR BEGI NNI NG HUNTERS. AND7 THI S BI LL WOULD ALLOW SOMEBODY WHO I S OVER8 16 AND HAS TO HAVE A LI CENSE TO HUNT TO GET9 THAT LI CENSE. I T WOULD BE A RESTRI CTED

10 LI CENSE I F THEY DI DN' T HAVE HUNTER ED. AND11 THE ONLY WAY THEY CAN HUNT WOULD BE WI TH A12 LI CENSED HUNTER OVER THE AGE OF 25. AND13 HOPEFULLY THAT I NDI VI DUAL WOULD THEN GO ON14 TO TAKE HUNTER ED AND GET CERTI FI ED. I T15 WOULD BE A WAY FOR, SAY, A 16- YEAR OLD WHO16 THI NKS HE MI GHT LI KE TO GO HUNTI NG, OR FOR17 THAT MATTER, A 30- YEAR OLD WHO THI NKS HE18 MI GHT LI KE TO GO HUNTI NG WHO DOESN' T YET19 HAVE HUNTER ED TO HUNT UNDER THE

20 SUPERVI SI ON AND CONTROL OF ANOTHER LI CENSED21 HUNTER OVER 25.22 WE HAVE ANOTHER BI LL23 TO AMEND THE LAW REGARDI NG FEES FOR PEOPLE

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000191 WHO SHOOT ON OUR SHOOTI NG RANGES. THE WAY2 THE LAW READS NOW, I T SAYS WHOEVER USES A3 SHOOTI NG RANGE ON STATE- OPERATED WI LDLI FE4 MANDATORY AREAS WI LL BE REQUI RED TO HAVE5 THAT - - WELL, WE HAVE SOME SHOOTI NG RANGES6 THAT WE OPERATE THAT ARE NOT ON MANAGEMENT7 AREAS. A VERY POPULAR RANGE, FOR I NSTANCE,8 I N ETOWAH COUNTY. AND THI S WOULD ALLOW US9 TO CHARGE THAT FEE FOR ALL THOSE RANGES.

10 WE ALSO OPERATE SOME RANGES I N PARTNERSHI P11 WI TH OTHER AGENCI ES LI KE THE FOREST12 SERVI CE. THERE' S A PROVI SI ON I N THE BI LL13 THAT WI LL RECOGNI ZE THE PERMI TS THAT ARE14 I SSUED BY THE FOREST SERVI CE SO SOMEBODY15 WOULDN' T BE FACED WI TH A NEW PERMI TTI NG16 REQUI REMENT.17 THERE' S BEEN18 CONSI DERABLE CONFLI CT - - SOME PEOPLE HAVE19 HEARD ABOUT I T FROM PEOPLE WHO ARE UNDER

20 THEI R DI STRI CT THI S YEAR BETWEEN DUCK21 HUNTERS AND LAKESHORE HOMEOWNERS THAT GOES22 ALONG WI TH A SI MI LAR CONFLI CT THAT OCCURRED23 ON GUNTERSVI LLE EARLI ER ON. WE' VE RESI STED

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000201 ATTEMPTS TO RESTRI CT HUNTERS, PARTI CULARLY2 WATER FOUL HUNTERS, ON THOSE LAKES. I N3 FACT, THERE WAS A PROPOSAL SEVERAL YEARS4 AGO TO CLOSE ALL OF LAKE GUNTERSVI LLE OR A5 BI G PORTI ON OF I T TO DUCK HUNTERS. WE' RE6 NOT I N FAVOR OF THAT. HOWEVER, THE7 CONFLI CT BETWEEN THOSE WATER FOUL HUNTERS8 AND PEOPLE WI TH HOUSES ON THE BANK HAS9 ESCALATED TO THE POI NT WHERE WE FEEL LI KE

10 I T NEEDS TO BE ADDRESSED. ALABAMA HAS FOR11 DECADES PLACED LI MI TS ON PEOPLE BEI NG ABLE12 TO HUNT ADJ ACENT TO A PUBLI C HI GHWAY OR A13 RAI LROAD. AND I T WOULD LOGI CALLY FOLLOW

14 THAT THERE SHOULD BE SOME PROTECTI ON AROUND15 PEOPLE' S HOUSES. THE COMMI SSI ONER' S HAD16 SOME DI SCUSSI ONS WI TH A COUPLE OF MEMBERS17 OF THE LEGI SLATURE WHO HAVE TALKED ABOUT18 ADDRESSI NG I T THROUGH LAW. WE WOULD MUCH19 RATHER SEE I T ADDRESSED THROUGH A

20 REGULATI ON. I ' M NOT COMFORTABLE SEEI NG THE21 LEGI SLATURE DEALI NG WI TH A BI LL THAT' S22 GOI NG TO RESTRI CT HUNTI NG PRI VI LEGES.23 THERE ARE TOO MANY UNPREDI CTABLE VARI ABLES

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000211 THERE. THERE' S TOO MUCH OF AN OPPORTUNI TY2 FOR THE ANTI - HUNTERS TO START TO LOBBY TO3 MAKE I T MORE RESTRI CTI VE THAN I T REALLY4 NEEDS TO BE. THE REGULATI ON THAT WE' VE GOT5 WE FEEL LI KE I S A REASONABLE APPROACH THAT6 PROTECTS THE HOMEOWNER WI THOUT UNDULY7 RESTRI CTI NG THE HUNTER. AND I ' LL J UST READ8 YOU THE PERTI NENT PORTI ONS OF I T HERE. I T9 WOULD BE UNLAWFUL TO HUNT OR ATTEMPT TO

10 HUNT WI THI N 100 YARDS OF ANY DWELLI NG11 BELONGI NG TO ANOTHER, WHETHER OCCUPI ED OR12 NOT, WI THOUT THE PERMI SSI ON OF THE OWNER.13 UNLAWFUL FOR ANY PERSON TO DI SCHARGE A14 FI REARM WHI LE HUNTI NG I N SUCH A MANNER THAT15 ANY PROJ ECTI LE STRI KES ANY LAND BELONGI NG16 TO SOMEBODY ELSE OR ANY COMMERCI AL VESSEL17 WI THOUT THE PERMI SSI ON OF THE OWNER. THAT18 WOULD HELP US I N DEALI NG WI TH THESE19 SUBDI VI SI ON DOVE HUNTS. OUR ENFORCEMENT

20 OFFI CERS GET CALLS EVERY YEAR DURI NG DOVE21 SEASON ABOUT SOMEBODY WHO I S PUTTI NG ON A22 DOVE SHOOT I N A SUBDI VI SI ON AND SPRI NKLI NG23 PEOPLE' S HOME WI TH BI RD SHOT, AND THE

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000221 OFFI CER GETS THERE AND THERE' S REALLY2 NOTHI NG HE CAN DO BECAUSE I T' S NOT AGAI NST3 THE LAW. SO WE FEEL THAT THAT REGULATI ON4 WOULD WORK LONG TERM TO PROTECT THE5 I NTEREST OF HUNTERS BECAUSE WE' VE CAUSED6 PEOPLE TO BE MORE REASONABLE AND7 RESPONSI BLE THAN THEY ARE BEI NG I N SOME8 I NSTANCES. THE REGULATI ON I MENTI ONED9 EARLI ER DEALI NG WI TH GAME BREEDERS, THI S

10 WOULD BE THE DETAI LS THAT GO ALONG WI TH11 THAT STATUTE. THERE' S A PROVI SI ON DEALI NG12 WI TH I NVENTORY REQUI REMENTS; A PROVI SI ON13 ALLOWI NG I NSPECTI ON BY AGENTS OF THE14 DEPARTMENT; A PROVI SI ON REQUI RI NG MARKI NG15 THROUGH ELECTRONI CALLY I DENTI FI ABLE16 I MPLANTS I NVOLVI NG CERVI DAE; A PROVI SI ON17 DEALI NG WI TH I DENTI FYI NG THE LOCATI ON AND18 NOTI FYI NG US I F THE LOCATI ON CHANGES;19 NOTI FI CATI ON OF THE DI VI SI ON OF ANY ESCAPES

20 OR DEATHS AND ALLOWI NG ANI MAL TESTI NG OF21 THE ANI MALS THAT HAVE DI ED; A PROVI SI ON22 PROHI BI TI NG THE MOVEMENT FOR REMOVAL OF ANY23 ANI MALS THAT HAVE DI ED WHERE THERE' S A

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000231 DOCUMENTED DI SEASE RI SK. FOR SPECI ES OF2 FAMI LY CERVI DAE MAI NTAI NI NG A PREMI SES3 REGI STRATI ON NUMBER AND COMPLYI NG WI TH THE4 CONDI TI ONS OF THE EARTH HEALTH MONI TORI NG5 PLAN THAT' S I N PLACE WI TH THE DEPARTMENT OF6 AGRI CULTURE; AND A PROVI SI ON THAT WOULD7 ALLOW THE COMMI SSI ONER TO ORDER THE8 CONFI SCATI ON AND DESTRUCTI ON OF ANY ANI MAL9 THAT' S DEEMED TO BE A SUBSTANTI AL DI SEASE

10 RI SK.11 THE LAST REGULATI ON WE12 HAVE I S ONE THAT WOULD MODI FY THE REG THAT13 PROHI BI TS I MPORTATI ON OF A VARI ETY OF14 SPECI ES. WE WOULD RECOMMEND THAT SEMEN, AS15 I N SEMEN STRAWS, BE REMOVED FROM THAT REG.16 THERE WAS AN I NDI CATI ON WHEN WE ASKED I T TO17 BE PUT I N THE REG THAT PERHAPS CWD COULD BE18 TRANSMI TTED THROUGH THE I MPORTATI ON OF19 SEMEN STRAWS. AND I T TURNS OUT THERE' S NO

20 SCI ENTI FI C BASI S FOR THAT, SO WE WOULD21 RECOMMEND THAT THAT BE REMOVED. HOWEVER,22 I F I N THE FUTURE I T BECAME EVI DENT THAT23 THERE WAS SOME RI SK OF CWD TRANSMI SSI ON OR

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000241 ANYTHI NG ELSE, THEN WE WOULD ASK THAT I T BE2 PUT BACK I N THE REG. ALSO WE' RE3 RECOMMENDI NG THAT BI SON OR BUFFALO BE4 STRUCK FROM THAT DI VI SI ON ON I MPORTATI ON.5 THERE I S A BUFFALO FARMI NG I NDUSTRY I N THE6 STATE, AND WE RECOGNI ZE THOSE BUFFALO AS7 FARM ANI MALS. THEY' RE REGULATED BY THE8 DEPARTMENT OF AGRI CULTURE AS FAR AS9 DI SEASE, AND AS LONG AS THOSE FOLKS ARE

10 COMPLYI NG WI TH THOSE REQUI REMENTS, THEN WE11 DON' T SEE ANY REASON TO PROHI BI T12 I MPORTATI ON.13 COMMI SSI ONER, DO YOU14 WANT ME TO GO AHEAD AND DEAL WI TH THE15 SEASONS AND LI MI TS AT THI S POI NT OR WAI T16 UNTI L AFTER THE OTHER DI VI SI ON REPORTS?17 COMMI SSI ONER LAWLEY: CORKY, WE18 CAN. YOU KNOW, WE' RE GOI NG TO POST THESE19 SEASONS AND LI MI TS ON OUR WEBSI TE. WHY

20 DON' T YOU J UST - - ANY CHANGES THAT MAYBE21 Y' ALL HAVE MADE OR ARE SUGGESTI NG?22 MR. PUGH: OKAY. WHAT I ' D LI KE TO23 DO I S CALL ON ASSI STANT DI RECTOR FRED

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000261 CHANGES. I F YOU HAVE ANY QUESTI ONS, I ' D BE2 HAPPY TO ADDRESS THEM.3 MR. MAY: I NOTI CED UNDER THE4 TURKEY SEASONS, COUNTI ES THAT HAVE FALL5 SEASON, THERE' S NOTHI NG THERE TO I NFORM

6 THEM THAT DECOY I S NOT TAKEN ON THAT SHEET.7 MR. HARDERS: WELL, WE' LL8 CERTAI NLY PUT THAT I N THERE. THAT WOULD BE9 I N THE REG BOOK, BUT WE CAN PUT A COMMENT

10 I N HERE.11 MR. WI LLI S: I ' VE GOT A QUESTI ON.12 I MI GHT HAVE MI SSED I T, BUT I DI DN' T HEAR13 ANYTHI NG ON THE LEGI SLATI ON FOR HUNTI NG14 OVER BAI T. I T' S POPULAR I N MY DI STRI CT AND15 I ASK THI S QUESTI ON - - THERE MAY BE A BI LL.16 COMMI SSI ONER LAWLEY: THERE I S A17 BI LL THAT HAS BEEN I NTRODUCED BY SENATOR18 PENN. HE PROBABLY WI LL BRI NG I T UP BECAUSE19 I T' S NOT I N HI S PACKET.

20 MR. PUGH: THERE A BI LL THAT' S21 BEEN I NTRODUCED BY SENATOR PENN THAT' S22 SENATE 224. I T' S I DENTI CAL, AS BEST WE CAN23 TELL, AS THE SUBSTI TUTED VERSI ON FROM LAST

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000281 RECOMMENDATI ON THAT CAME FROM US, SI NCE2 THERE WAS NO BI OLOGI CAL PREFERENCE AS TO3 WHEN TO SET DOVE SEASON AS LONG AS YOU WERE4 WI THI N THE FEDERAL REGI STER, WAS TO LET THE5 BOARD SET THOSE, AND WHEN ASKED FOR DATES,6 WE SUPPLI ED THE DATES THAT ARE I N THE7 PACKET BASED ON THE FEDERAL REGI STER AND8 VARI OUS REQUESTS FROM THE PUBLI C. YOU9 SHOULD HAVE THAT SEPARATELY.

10 MR. MAY: I N WHI CH PACKET I S THAT?11 TODAY' S PACKET?12 MR. HARDERS: YES, SI R, I BELI EVE13 YOU GOT THEM.14 MR. MAY: I DI DN' T SEE I T.15 MR. MOULTRI E: FRED, GI VE THOSE16 DATES I F YOU WOULD.17 MR. HARDERS: FOR THE NORTH ZONE:18 SEPTEMBER 17 TO OCTOBER 30, NOVEMBER 2419 THROUGH NOVEMBER 27, DECEMBER 24 THROUGH

20 J ANUARY 4. SOUTH ZONE - -21 MR. COLES: EXCUSE ME, WHAT WAS22 THE FI RST DATE AGAI N, ON THE NORTH ZONE?23 MR. HARDERS: SEPTEMBER 17 THROUGH

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000291 OCTOBER 30. SOUTH ZONE: OCTOBER 8 THROUGH2 NOVEMBER 6, NOVEMBER 24 THROUGH NOVEMBER3 27, DECEMBER 10 THROUGH J ANUARY 14.4 MR. MAY: WHY I S THE CHANGE? I S5 THERE SOME REASON FOR THE CHANGE FROM WHAT6 WE HAD?7 MR. HARDERS: THESE WERE J UST8 ALTERNATI VE DATES THAT WERE SUGGESTED.9 MR. MAY: I T J UST SEEMED LI KE WE

10 HAVEN' T HAD - - I HAVEN' T HAD ANY COMPLAI NTS11 ON I T WHATSOEVER.12 MR. HARDERS: SOME STAFF RECEI VED13 COMMENTS FROM THE PUBLI C, BUT THI S I S J UST14 AN ALTERNATI VE FOR THE BOARD TO CONSI DER.15 OUR ORI GI NAL RECOMMENDATI ON WAS TO LET THE16 BOARD SET THE DATES. WE DI DN' T SUPPLY17 DATES, BUT WHEN ASKED TO GI VE SOME18 SUGGESTED DATES, THI S I S WHAT WE CAME UP19 WI TH.

20 MR. MAY: WELL, I ' D LI KE TO21 RECOMMEND THE NORTH ZONE REMAI N WI TH WHAT22 WE HAD.23 MR. HARDERS: WELL, THESE WERE

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000301 J UST DATES THAT WERE SUGGESTED, AND LI KE I2 SAI D, SI NCE THERE WAS NO BI OLOGI CAL REASON3 - - PREFERENCE FOR US, AS LONG AS YOU' RE I N4 THE FEDERAL REQUI REMENTS.5 COMMI SSI ONER LAWLEY: I F YOU WOULD6 GET THOSE COMPLAI NTS FROM THE HUNTERS TO7 DR. MAY WHERE HE CAN LOOK AT I T, BECAUSE8 I T' S REALLY I MPORTANT TO KNOW WHAT LOCATI ON9 AND WHAT COUNTI ES THAT WE' RE TALKI NG ABOUT.

10 THESE WI LL BE POSTED, AND EVERYBODY THAT' S11 I NTERESTED I N THEI R DOVE HUNTI NG SEASON FOR12 NORTH ZONE OR SOUTH ZONE, I N THE SOUTH ZONE13 YOU HAVE ROSS SELF AND BI LL HATLEY. I F - -14 MR. COLES: AND LEWI S COLES.15 COMMI SSI ONER LAWLEY: OH, YOU' RE16 I N THE SOUTH ZONE ALSO?17 MR. COLES: SEVEN OUT OF 11.18 COMMI SSI ONER LAWLEY: YEAH, OKAY.19 BUT WHAT WE NEED I S AN AGREEMENT FROM THE

20 HUNTERS. WE REALLY DON' T CARE. I MEAN, WE21 WANT TO PUT WHATEVER DATES I N THERE ARE22 BEST FOR Y' ALL FOR HUNTI NG DOVE. SO I F23 Y' ALL CAN AGREE ON THE DATE, CONTACT YOUR

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000311 REPRESENTATI VES AND YOUR BOARD MEMBERS THAT2 ARE REPRESENTI NG YOUR AREAS, AND AT THE3 NEXT MEETI NG, WHEN WE VOTE ON THI S I SSUE,4 HOPEFULLY WE' LL HAVE SOME DATES FOR THE5 NORTH ZONE AND THE SOUTH ZONE THAT6 EVERYBODY CAN BE PLEASED WI TH. MOST OF THE7 COMPLAI NTS THAT I GOT, DR. MAY, WERE FROM

8 THE SOUTH ZONE AND NOT THE NORTH ZONE. BUT9 I - - WE' RE GOI NG TO GET OUT OF ORDER I N

10 J UST A LI TTLE BI T I F YOU DON' T MI ND,11 BECAUSE SENATOR PENN, WHO I S HERE TODAY,12 WOULD LI KE TO SAY A FEW WORDS AND I S GOI NG13 TO HAVE TO LEAVE, SO I ' D LI KE TO CALL ON14 SENATOR J ACK BI DDLE.15 SENATOR BI DDLE: THANK YOU, MR.16 COMMI SSI ONER. I DI DN' T KNOW THAT I REALLY17 WANTED TO SAY ANYTHI NG, BUT NOW THAT I ' M

18 HERE, I WI LL. MR. CHAI RMAN, MEMBERS OF THE19 COMMI TTEE. I ' VE BEEN ON BOTH SI DES OF THI S

20 THI NG, AND I THI NK I LI KE THI S SI DE OUT21 HERE A LI TTLE BI T BETTER. SOMETI MES I T' S22 EASI ER TO GET OUT OF THE BUI LDI NG. WE USED23 TO HAVE QUI TE SOME SHOW SOME TI ME AGO WHEN

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000321 MOST OF THE MEMBERS WERE ELECTED AT LARGE,2 AND I PUT THE LEGI SLATI ON I N THAT ELECTED3 THEM FROM CONGRESSI ONAL DI STRI CT. I THI NK4 THAT SERVED THE PEOPLE BETTER. I WOULDN' T5 GET TOO WORKED UP OVER THE BAI T BI LL.6 PEOPLE ARE GOI NG TO DO I T ANYWAY; YOU KNOW

7 THAT. SO DON' T MAKE I T LEGAL OR I LLEGAL.8 AND I COMMEND Y' ALL ON SOME OF THE THI NGS9 THAT Y' ALL HAVE DONE. Y' ALL ARE A LOT MORE

10 AGGRESSI VE THAN WE EVER WERE. WE WERE11 ALWAYS AFRAI D OF CHARLES. AND I ' M SPEAKI NG12 OF CHARLES KELLY. I LOVE HI M DEARLY. BUT13 YOU KNOW, CHARLES THOUGHT EVERY COON,14 RABBI T, SQUI RREL, AND POSSUM BELONGED TO15 HI M, AND WE THOUGHT I T DI D TOO. BUT16 ANYWAY, I APPRECI ATE THE J OB YOU OFFI CERS17 DO, AND I APPRECI ATE Y' ALL' S J OB, AND ANY18 LEGI SLATI ON THAT YOU HAVE I N MI ND OR SOME19 THAT YOU DON' T LI KE AND LI KE ONE OF THE

20 REGULATI ONS I J UST HEARD THAT I DON' T LI KE,21 AND CORKY, WHI LE YOU' RE HERE, ON THI S 10022 YARD DEAL, I F I HAD A PATCH OF LAND RI GHT23 HERE AND A GUY OVER HERE ON THI S SI DE

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000331 DI DN' T WANT ME TO HUNT, AND A GUY ON THI S2 SI DE DI DN' T WANT ME TO HUNT, THAT' S 2003 YARDS OUT OF MY LAND THERE THAT I CAN' T4 HUNT, AND I DON' T THI NK THAT ONE WI LL GO5 VERY FAR. BUT ANYWAY, THANK Y' ALL FOR6 LETTI NG ME SPEAK HERE. I F I CAN BE OF ANY7 HELP, HOLLER AT ME. OH, EXCUSE ME. I8 FORGET GOVERNOR WYNDHAM I S HERE WI TH US9 ALSO.

10 COMMI SSI ONER LAWLEY: HE I S.11 ( APPLAUSE. )12 COMMI SSI ONER LAWLEY: GOVERNOR13 WYNDHAM, WOULD YOU LI KE TO SAY A FEW WORDS?14 GOVERNOR WYNDHAM: THANK YOU,15 COMMI SSI ONER. AND AS MOST OF YOU KNOW, I16 REPRESENT THE DEER BREEDERS, AND WE17 APPRECI ATE, COMMI SSI ONER, MR. CHAI RMAN, AND18 MR. HATLEY AND MANY OTHERS ON THE19 COMMI SSI ON THAT HAVE HELPED TO PULL THI S

20 TOGETHER. THE STAFF HAS BEEN VERY GOOD AT21 COMI NG UP WI TH LEGI SLATI ON THAT SENATOR22 BI DDLE HAS AGREED TO SPONSOR. THE BREEDERS23 ARE VERY CONCERNED ABOUT CWD AND OTHER

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000341 I SSUES. I THI NK WE' VE GOT A VERY WORKABLE2 WAY TO DEAL WI TH I T, AND CERTAI NLY THE3 BREEDERS SUPPORT THE PROHI BI TI ON ON CANNED4 HUNTS, WHI CH I S NOT GOOD FOR ANYONE WHI CH I5 THI NK SENATOR BI DDLE I S ALSO GOI NG TO6 HANDLE. ONCE AGAI N, I WANT TO THANK YOU ON7 BEHALF OF THE DEER BREEDERS FOR YOUR WORK8 I N PUTTI NG THI S TOGETHER. WE DO HAVE AN9 AGREED BI LL AND AGREED REGULATI ONS, AND

10 HOPEFULLY THE WI LL OF THE LEGI SLATURE WI LL11 BE TO ADOPT CERTAI N BI LLS OF THE12 LEGI SLATI ON. THANK Y' ALL VERY MUCH.13 COMMI SSI ONER LAWLEY: THANK YOU,14 GOVERNOR. CORKY, DON' T YOU AND J ACK GET15 I NTO A DEBATE. THI S I S NOT THE TI ME OR THE16 PLACE.17 MR. PUGH: I LEARNED A LONG TI ME18 AGO NOT TO ARGUE WI TH J ACK BI DDLE. BUT I19 DI D WANT TO POI NT OUT - - THI S I S SOMETHI NG

20 I FAI LED TO MENTI ON; THAT' S MY FAULT. I N21 THI S REG THERE I S A PROVI SI ON THAT I T WOULD22 NOT APPLY TO A LANDOWNER OR MEMBER OF HI S23 OR HER I MMEDI ATELY FAMI LY ON THEI R OWN

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000351 PROPERTY, PROVI DED THAT NO PROJ ECTI LE2 STRI KES ANYBODY ELSE' S.3 SENATOR BI DDLE: I KNEW YOU WOULD4 DO THE RI GHT THI NG.5 COMMI SSI ONER LAWLEY: THAT' S GOOD6 THI NKI NG ON YOUR FEET, CORKY. WE ALSO - -7 RI LEY SMI TH, MY PREDECESSOR - - OH, THERE8 YOU ARE. I ' VE BEEN WAI TI NG ON YOU. WE' LL9 CALL ON YOU NOW, BECAUSE I UNDERSTAND

10 YOU' VE GOT SOME CONFLI CTS TODAY ALSO. WE11 APPRECI ATE YOU COMI NG.12 MR. SMI TH: COMMI SSI ONER,13 CHAI RMAN, THANK YOU, I WON' T TAKE TOO MUCH14 OF YOUR TI ME. I ' M HERE REPRESENTI NG MYSELF15 TODAY - - WE' LL COME ON BOARD LATER AFTER16 THEY' VE GOT CHANCE TO REVI EW CERTAI N17 THI NGS. BUT I THI NK THERE ARE TWO VERY18 I MPORTANT THI NGS THAT WI LL - - BEEN MY19 PERSONAL PHI LOSOPHY THAT WI LL MAI NTAI N THE

20 SPORT OF HUNTI NG THAT I KNOW ALL OF US I N21 THI S ROOM LOVE. AND THE FI RST I S TO22 ENCOURAGE YOUNGSTERS TO HUNT WI TH THEI R23 PARENTS - - MOTHERS, FATHERS, WHATEVER. BUT

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000361 THE SECOND I S MAI NTAI NI NG THE ETHI CS OF THE2 SPORT. GOVERNOR WYNDHAM, SENATOR BI DDLE I3 THI NK HAVE A GOOD BI LL, THE GAME BREEDERS4 BI LL. I ' VE TALKED TO COMMI SSI ONER LAWLEY5 ABOUT I T AND THE STAFF HAS WORKED6 EXTENSI VELY ON THE BI LL. I KNOW

7 COMMI SSI ONER LAWLEY HAS, WHO I HAVE TALKED8 TO A COUPLE OF TI MES ABOUT THI S AND I S9 COMMI TTED TO HAVE THE LEGI SLATI ON I N PLACE

10 OR REGULATI ONS I N PLACE BEFORE THE11 MORATORI UM I S LI FTED. I THI NK THE GAME12 BREEDERS BI LL I S GOOD. I T' S A LI TTLE PAST13 ME, BUT I ' VE DONE EVERYTHI NG I CAN, AS I14 KNOW WE ALL ARE. BUT THE CANNED HUNT BI LL,15 I THI NK - - I KNOW - - I ASSUME MOST16 EVERYBODY SAW THE PI ECE ABOUT THE TEXAS17 MATTER, WHI CH TO ME I S J UST OVERLY I NSANE.18 THERE' S ACTUALLY AN PLACE J UST NORTH OF OUR19 PLACE I N MCI NTOSH AND THE GUYS GOT GOATS

20 AND WHATEVER, I ' M NOT SURE WHAT ALL HE' S21 GOT OUT THERE. BUT HE' S GOT ONE LI TTLE PEN22 WHERE HE' S RAI SI NG THEM AND HE PUTS THEM I N23 ANOTHER PEN AND SOMEBODY GOES OUT THERE AND

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000371 SHOOTS THEM. THAT' S GOI NG TO KI LL THE2 SPORT WE ALL LOVE. AND Y' ALL HAVE GOT A3 REALLY GOOD HORSE TO CARRY THE GAME4 BREEDERS BI LL I N SENATOR BI DDLE. HE AND I5 WORKED TOGETHER FOR FOUR YEARS AND WHEN HE6 GETS THAT BUSI NESS, YOU J UST HAVE TO DEAL7 WI TH I T. AND I WOULD HOPE THAT HE AND8 OTHERS WI LL SEE FI T TO GET BEHI ND THI S9 CANNED HUNTI NG BUSI NESS. I THI NK I T' S

10 CRI TI CAL THAT THE LAW ENFORCEMENT STAFF BE11 GI VEN THE VEHI CLE TO SHUT THAT KI ND OF12 THI NG DOWN, AND I STRONGLY URGE YOU TO DO13 WHATEVER NECESSARY TO SEE THAT DI VI SI ON DO14 THAT. THANK YOU FOR YOUR TI ME.15 COMMI SSI ONER LAWLEY: THANK YOU.16 ( APPLAUSE. )17 COMMI SSI ONER LAWLEY: VERN MI NTON18 WI TH MARI NE RESOURCES.19 MR. MI NTON: THANK YOU

20 MR. COMMI SSI ONER, MR. CHAI RMAN, MEMBERS OF21 THE BOARD. THERE I S A REPORT FROM MARI NE22 RESOURCES I N YOUR PACKET, AND I WON' T READ23 THAT TO YOU. I J UST HAVE A FEW I TEMS I ' D

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000381 LI KE TO GO OVER. MOST OF THOSE,2 UNFORTUNATELY, DEAL WI TH HURRI CANE I VAN AND3 I TS I MPACTS ON US. LAST YEAR I REPORTED TO4 THE BOARD THE SUCCESSFUL FOUR AND A HALF5 MI LE SALTWATER PI PELI NE, HOW PROUD WE WERE6 OF THAT AND HOW MUCH I T WAS GOI NG TO CHANGE7 THE WAY WE WERE GOI NG TO CONDUCT OPERATI ONS8 THERE. I T WAS TI ED TO THE GULF STATE PARK9 PI ER. THE PI ER WAS DESTROYED ALONG WI TH

10 OUR PI PELI NE UP TO THE ROAD, AND I T LOOKS11 LI KE WE' RE GOI NG TO BE PROBABLY I N EXCESS12 OF TWO YEARS OF GETTI NG THAT BACK. SO I T' S13 A MAJ OR SETBACK. ANOTHER THI NG THAT' S14 GOI NG TO BE A MAJ OR SETBACK I N THE15 COMMUNI TY, THERE WAS A LOT OF THE MARI NAS16 WHI CH HOUSED THE CHARTER FLEET AND OTHER17 BOATS WERE DESTROYED. THEY CAN BUI LD BACK,18 BUT UNFORTUNATELY, BECAUSE OF BUSI NESS19 OPPORTUNI TI ES, WE' VE SEEN A LOT OF THE

20 MARI NAS SOLD NOW TO CONDOMI NI UM DEVELOPERS.21 THAT HAS PLACED A TREMENDOUS AMOUNT OF22 STRESS ON THE CHARTER FLEET, AND THAT FLEET23 CONTRI BUTES BETWEEN 60 AND 90 MI LLI ON

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000391 DOLLARS TO THE ECONOMY OF SOUTH ALABAMA.2 FORTUNATELY, THE TOWN OF ORANGE BEACH HAS3 STEPPED FORWARD AND PURCHASED THE MARI NA TO4 USE FOR PUBLI C HOUSI NG OF THESE CHARTER5 FLEETS. I THI NK I T' S A MAJ OR STEP I N THE6 RI GHT DI RECTI ON. WE ALSO SAW DAMAGE TO A7 LOT OF THE SEAFOOD DEALER SHOPS I N THE AREA8 WHI CH WERE LOCATED ON THE WATER. THERE WAS9 SUBSTANTI AL DAMAGE. I T' S TAKEN A WHI LE FOR

10 THEM TO GET BACK I NTO BUSI NESS. RI GHT11 AFTER THE STORM WE HAD SURVEYED OUR12 ARTI FI CI AL REEFS. AND I T LOOKS LI KE WE HAD13 COME OUT VERY WELL. WE SENT THREE VESSELS14 OFF SHORE WI TH A RANDOMI ZED SURVEY ATTEMPT15 TO LOOK AT THE DI FFERENT REEFS BY LOCATI ON16 AND BY SI ZE. WE HAD PLANNED FOR TWO DAYS17 BUT WHEN THEY RETURNED THEY FOUND18 EVERYTHI NG BUT ONE SPOT, SO WE' RE VERY19 HAPPY WI TH THAT. THE DOWN SI DE OF I T ON

20 THE LI GHTER MATERI ALS THAT PEOPLE USED HAD21 NOT BEEN FOUND, AND I WAS HOPI NG I T WOULD22 SEND THE MESSAGE TO THE COMMUNI TY THAT WE23 NEED TO START LOOKI NG FOR HEAVI ER

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000401 MATERI ALS. LAST YEAR WE PUT OUT2 APPROXI MATELY 222 ARTI FI CI AL REEFS BECAUSE3 OF THE DONATI ON OF $50, 000 FROM THE4 CHAMPI ONSHI P TOURNAMENT. WE MATCHED THAT5 WI TH FEDERAL FUNDS AND WE WERE ABLE TO GET6 $200, 000 TO PUT THOSE REEFS OUT. WE ALSO7 PUT OUT 1300 TONS OF CONCRETE FOR THE8 DEMOLI TI ON OF GULF STATE PARK, AND THOSE9 WERE PUT I NTO AREAS WE THI NK WI LL BE

10 SUCCESSFULLY USED. RI GHT NOW I ' M PROUD TO11 TELL YOU THAT OUR ENFORCEMENT SEGMENT I S12 FULLY STAFFED. THAT' S THE FI RST TI ME SI NCE13 THE 1950S. WE ARE VERY PROUD OF THAT, AND14 WE' VE GOT GOOD YOUNG OFFI CERS ON LI NE WHO15 ARE REALLY DOI NG A GOOD J OB FOR US. I HAVE16 ONE ACTI ON I TEM FOR YOU TODAY THAT I ' D LI KE17 YOU TO CONSI DER FOR THE MARCH MEETI NG. THE18 GULF OF MEXI CO FI SHERY MANAGEMENT COUNCI L19 REVI EWED THE RED GROUPER STOCK ASSESSMENT,

20 AND THE ASSESSMENT HAD SHOWN THAT THAT21 STOCK HAD DECLI NED AND THERE WI LL BE MORE22 PROTECTI VE MEASURES, BOTH COMMERCI ALLY AND23 RECREATI ONALLY. WE RECOMMEND THAT YOU

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000411 ADOPT REGULATI ONS COMPATI BLE WI TH WHAT THE2 FEDERAL GOVERNMENT HAS DONE NOW, AND THAT3 SI MPLY I S THAT OF THE FI VE GROUPER, ONLY4 TWO CAN BE RED GROUPER. WE RECOMMEND THAT5 ALTHOUGH WE DON' T HAVE A LOT OF RED6 GROUPER, THAT KEEPS I T LESS CONFUSI NG FOR7 PEOPLE FI SHI NG I N FEDERAL WATERS AND COMI NG8 I NTO STATE WATERS.9 LASTLY WE' VE GOT OUR

10 LEGI SLATI ON, AND I ' D LI KE TO ASK MAJ OR11 J ENKI NS TO GO OVER THAT.12 MR. J ENKI NS: THI S YEAR WE13 ACTUALLY HAVE UP - - THERE' S HOUSE BI LL 54,14 WHI CH HAS DO WI TH OUR FI NES. I N MOST OF15 OUR LAWS, WE ACTUALLY HAVE A DESI GNATED16 AMOUNT FOR THE FI NE; SOME OF THEM WE DON' T.17 BUT THE WAY I T' S WRI TTEN RI GHT NOW, THE18 FI NE I S 25 TO $100. WELL, I N REALI TY,19 RI GHT NOW I T' S CHEAPER FOR AN OUT OF STATE

20 SHRI MPER TO COME I N HERE AND SHRI MP WI THOUT21 A LI CENSE THAN I T I S TO BUY A LI CENSE - -22 THE FI NE I S CHEAPER. HOUSE BI LL 55 I S23 ACTUALLY - - HAS A COUPLE OF DI FFERENT

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000421 PARTS. ONE OF THE MOST I MPORTANT PARTS I S2 LI KE I N FLORI DA NOW, MI SSI SSI PPI ,3 LOUI SI ANA, PEOPLE FI SH I N THOSE STATES.4 YOU' VE GOT TO HAVE A SALTWATER FI SHI NG5 LI CENSE. I T' S NOT THAT WAY HERE I N6 ALABAMA, SO WHAT WE' RE ASKI NG TO DO I S GO7 FORWARD AND BRI NG US I N LI NE WI TH OTHER8 STATES THI S YEAR - - NO MATTER HOW YOU TAKE9 THEM, YOU HAVE TO HAVE A SALTWATER FI SHI NG

10 LI CENSE I N OUR J URI SDI CTI ONAL AREA. WE11 ACTUALLY HAD THE CHARTER VOTE ASSOCI ATI ON12 THAT CAME TO US TELLI NG US THE SAME THI NG.13 I F THEY GO FI SHI NG I N A TOURNAMENT I N14 MI SSI SSI PPI , LOUI SI ANA, TEXAS, THEY HAVE TO15 BUY A CHARTER BOAT LI CENSE. SO WHAT16 THEY' VE ASKED THAT WE DO I S COME BACK AND17 SAY I F YOU ACTUALLY CARRY A PASSAGE FOR18 FI SH AND YOU DOCK AND TRANSFER POSSESSI ON19 OF FI SH I N ALABAMA, THAT YOU HAVE TO HAVE A

20 CHARTER BOAT LI CENSE. THEY ALSO WANT TO GO21 FORWARD - - AND THI S LAW WAS WRI TTEN LAST22 TI ME - - MOST EVERY LI CENSE WE HAVE, I T23 COSTS YOU AT LEAST TWI CE WHAT I T DOES I N

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000431 ALABAMA FOR A RESI DENT TO BUY A LI CENSE OR2 WHAT I T WOULD COST FOR OUR PEOPLE TO GO3 OVER THERE AND FI SH. THAT LANGUAGE WAS NOT4 I N THI S LAW, AND WE ASK THAT I T BE PLACED5 I N THERE.6 WE ACTUALLY ALSO WENT7 FORWARD, AND WE HAVE A J URI SDI CTI ONAL BI LL.8 UNDER FEDERAL LAW RI GHT NOW, OUT OF 2009 MI LES, I F YOU VI OLATE THE LAW OUT THERE, WE

10 CAN ACTUALLY FI LE THOSE CASES I N AN ALABAMA11 COURT. WHAT WE' RE ASKI NG FOR I N THE12 J URI SDI CTI ONAL BI LL I S I F YOU GET CAUGHT13 ANYWHERE OFF SHORE WI TH FI SH THAT ARE14 I LLEGAL AND I T' S THE SAME VI OLATI ON OF THE15 LAW THAT WE HAVE I N ALABAMA, WE CAN FI LE16 THAT CASE I N DI STRI CT COURT. THERE ARE A17 COUPLE OF REASONS FOR THAT. ONE OF THEM I S18 OUR DI STRI CT COURT SYSTEM I S MORE19 USER- FRI ENDLY. I T' S EASI ER TO WORK

20 THROUGH. THE FI NES ARE NORMALLY LESS. THE21 OTHER THI NG I S, I S WE CAN HANDLE A LOT MORE22 OF THE SMALLER CASES THAN THE FEDS EVER23 CAN, SO WE CAN ACTUALLY HANDLE SOME OF THE

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000441 SMALLER PROBLEMS OURSELVES A LOT EASI ER.2 AND I T ALSO HAS TO DO WI TH FEDERAL MONEY.3 THERE' S A GOOD BI T OF FEDERAL MONEY THAT4 COMES I NTO THE DI FFERENT STATES THAT I S5 ENFORCED BY OFF SHORE. LOUI SI ANA AND SOUTH6 CAROLI NA AT THI S TI ME HAVE THI S EXACT SAME7 LEGI SLATI ON. WE' RE ACTUALLY ASKI NG THAT8 THERE BE A COMMERCI AL CAST NET AND BI G BI LL9 I NTRODUCED. THI S BI LL ACTUALLY NOW - - FOR

10 SOMEBODY TO SELL ANY CATCH, YOU' VE GOT TO11 HAVE A COMMERCI AL LI CENSE. TODAY WE DON' T12 HAVE A COMMERCI AL LI CENSE FOR THI S GEAR.13 THEREFORE, I T' S BEEN PRETTY WELL ALLOWED14 THAT I F THEY BUY A COMMERCI AL HOOK AND LI NE15 LI CENSE, WHI CH I S $100, SAME COST THI S16 WOULD BE, WE WOULD LET THEM SELL THOSE17 FI SH. I T COMPLI CATES OUR REPORTI NG SYSTEM.18 I T ALSO MAKES WHERE I T DOESN' T REALLY COVER19 THOSE YEARS, SO THE COMMERCI AL I NDUSTRY

20 CAME TO US AND ASK THAT WE GO AHEAD AND DO21 A LI CENSE TO CLARI FY ALL THAT.22 THERE ARE TWO OTHER23 BI LLS OUT THERE THAT ARE GOI NG TO PROBABLY

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000451 AFFECT US THAT ARE NOT REALLY DEPARTMENTAL2 BI LLS. ONE OF THEM I S SPECI AL NET SAME3 PERMI T. TODAY I N OUR GI LL NET FI SHERY,4 THERE ARE TWO LI CENSES THAT YOU CAN HAVE.5 ONE OF THEM I S WHAT WE CALL A 505. YOU DO6 NOT HAVE TO SHOW YOUR I NCOME TO GET THAT7 LI CENSE, BUT THAT LI CENSE DI ES WI TH YOU; I T8 CANNOT BE TRANSFERRED. THEN WE HAVE A 2059 LI CENSE, WHI CH MEANS THE I NDI VI DUAL THAT

10 COMES I N CAN BUY THAT LI CENSE, BUT HE HAS11 TO PROVE THAT 50 PERCENT OF HI S I NCOME12 COMES FROM THE CAPTURE AND SALE OF SEAFOOD.13 WELL, WE HAVE BEEN I N THI S PERI OD LONG14 ENOUGH NOW, WE HAVE A LOT OF PEOPLE THAT15 ARE GETTI NG OLDER, GETTI NG DI FFERENT16 BENEFI TS AND STUFF, AND THEY' RE HAVI NG A17 PROBLEM PROVI NG THAT 50 PERCENT OF THEI R18 I NCOME COMES FROM FI SHI NG. WHAT THESE19 PEOPLE WOULD LI KE TO DO I S CHANGE THAT

20 LI CENSE OVER TO A NON- TRANSFERRABLE LI CENSE21 J UST LI KE OUR 505, AND THAT LI CENSE WOULD22 DI E WI TH THAT I NDI VI DUAL. AND SO THAT' S23 ONE OF THE THI NGS THAT' S BEI NG PUSHED.

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000461 AND THE OTHER BI LL2 THAT WE HAVE I S DEALI NG WI TH OUR SEAFOOD3 DEALERS LI CENSE. AT THI S TI ME I WAS4 RECOUNTI NG - - THERE ARE SOME PEOPLE RAI SI NG5 SALTWATER POND- RAI SED SHRI MP. WE ARE NOT6 REPORTI NG THOSE SHRI MP - - TODAY THEY HAVE7 TO HAVE OUR SEAFOOD DEALERS LI CENSE TO SELL8 THOSE. WE DON' T FEEL LI KE THAT AFFECTS OUR9 REPORTI NG. THEY HAVE COME AND ASKED THE

10 ORI GI NAL FARMER OR CULTURI ST THEY CAN11 ACTUALLY SELL THAT STUFF TO THE PUBLI C12 WI THOUT HAVI NG TO HAVE OUR LI CENSE. SO13 THAT BI LL WI LL BE COMI NG UP. ONLY OTHER14 THI NG ABOUT I T I S I N THAT BI LL, RI GHT NOW

15 THE PEOPLE THAT SELL THEI R SHRI MP ON THE16 SI DE OF THE ROAD ARE GOI NG TO HAVE TO HAVE17 A HEALTH PERMI T. WE ALSO ASK THAT THOSE18 THAT HAVE A SEAFOOD DEALERS LI CENSE HAVE A19 HEALTH PERMI T AND SELL FROM A PERMANENTLY

20 ERECTED BUI LDI NG. NOW, THI S DOES NOT MEAN21 THEY CAN' T SELL OUT OF THEI R TRUCK. THEY22 CAN STI LL GO TO A FARMERS MARKET, GET THE23 HEALTH PERMI T THEMSELVES FROM THERE. I F

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000471 THEY WANT TO GO NEXT TO A BUI LDI NG THAT2 ACTUALLY HAS A SHED, THEY CAN PULL UNDER3 THERE. A LOT OF PEOPLE I N THE BUSI NESS4 FEEL LI KE I T WOULD MAKE THOSE PEOPLE MORE5 ACCOUNTABLE. SO THAT BI LL WI LL BE OUT6 THERE. THAT PRETTY WELL COVERS OUR LI ST.7 COMMI SSI ONER LAWLEY: DOES THAT8 CONCLUDE - - OKAY. THANK YOU. I N EACH OF9 YOUR PACKETS, YOU' LL NOTI CE THERE I S A DVD.

10 THE DVD I S THE VERSI ON OF ALL THE11 COMMERCI ALS THAT WE RAN LAST YEAR THROUGH12 CONSERVATI ON TRYI NG TO PROMOTE HUNTI NG,13 FI SHI NG, OUR NATURAL RESOURCES THROUGHOUT14 THE STATE, TRYI NG TO ENCOURAGE PEOPLE TO15 TAKE THEI R CHI LDREN OUT, ENJ OY THE WOODS.16 AND CORKY AND I FEEL LI KE THAT' S HAD A17 GREAT I MPACT ON THE WAY THAT OUR LI CENSES18 HAVE TURNED AND PEOPLE ARE BECOMI NG MORE19 I NVOLVED. AND WE' RE CERTAI NLY GOI NG TO

20 KEEP PURSUI NG THAT BECAUSE WE HAVE A LOT OF21 OFFER. I MEAN, I HAD NO I DEA OF WHAT ALL22 WE HAD, AND I ' M SURE A LOT OF Y' ALL DON' T.23 WE' RE TRYI NG TO PROMOTE WHAT WE HAVE, OUR

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000481 FI SHI NG LAKES, OUR WI LDLI FE MANAGEMENT2 AREAS, STATE PARKS. AND WHEN YOU SEE A3 COMMERCI AL THAT SAYS OUTDOOR ALABAMA DOT4 COM, J UST KNOW THAT' S THE DEPARTMENT OF5 CONSERVATI ON TRYI NG TO PROMOTE THE STATE OF6 ALABAMA. OKAY. RI CK LI LES WI TH THE7 ADMI NI STRATI VE DI VI SI ON.8 MR. LI LES: GOOD MORNI NG.9 GENTLEMEN, I J UST WOULD POI NT TO THAT

10 SUBJ ECT OF THE GAS, I F YOU HAVE I N YOUR11 PACKET SOME GRASS THAT I NDI CATES THE USE OF12 THE WEBSI TE SI NCE WE BEGAN THI S PROGRAM.13 TI MES ON THE BUSI NESS WEB SI TE I S UP ABOUT14 16 PERCENT AND TI ME SPENT ON THE WEBSI TE I S15 UP OVER 250 PERCENT. ALSO I N YOUR PACKET,16 THE FI RST PAGE, THE SECOND TAB I S THE17 DEPARTMENT' S FI NANCI AL REPORT, AND I T18 COMPARES THE LAST THREE YEARS WI TH19 CONDI TI ON THAT YOU SEE REPORTED THERE DUE

20 PRI MARI LY TO THE CLOSURE OF SOME OF OUR21 RESORT PARKS FOR RENOVATI ON. SO I N THAT22 AREA THE BALANCE FORWARD EACH YEAR I S23 DECLI NI NG BECAUSE OF THAT LOSS. AS YOU

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000491 CAME I N THI S MORNI NG, YOU SAWA NEW FEATURE2 I N THE DEPARTMENT. WE' VE NOW ESTABLI SHED3 AN OUTDOOR ALABAMA STORE, AND I COMMEND4 YOU. SO I HOPE YOU AND EVERYONE HERE THI S5 MORNI NG WI LL VI SI T THAT. I HAVE,6 MR. CHAI RMAN, A REPORT OF THE PHYSI CAL7 DAMAGES SUSTAI NED BY THE DEPARTMENT AS A8 RESULT OF HURRI CANE I VAN. I ' D J UST LI KE9 THAT TO BE PASSED DOWN; YOU CAN PERUSE

10 THAT. I T DOES NOT I NCLUDE REPORTS ON THE11 ESTI MATES FOR THE LOSS FOR THE PI ER AT GULF12 SHORES. WE' RE HANDLI NG THAT THROUGH RI SK13 MANAGEMENT AT THE I NSURANCE COMPANY. I ' LL14 BE GLAD TO ANSWER ANY QUESTI ONS YOU HAVE.15 COMMI SSI ONER LAWLEY: THANK YOU,16 RI CK. COMMI SSI ONER LARRY KELLY, MARI NE17 POLI CE.18 MR. KELLEY: GOOD MORNI NG. THE19 REPORT THAT LI EUTENANT CHEFMAN ( PHONETI C)

20 PREPARED FOR Y' ALL, I F YOU HAVE A CHANCE TO21 LOOK I T OVER AND SEE THAT THE MARI NE POLI CE22 DI VI SI ON HAS GOTTEN A LOT MORE I N DEMAND23 THAN I T HAS I N THE YEARS I N THE PAST. AT

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000501 THE PRESENT TI ME, THE CORPS OF ENGI NEERS2 ARE LOOKI NG AT APPROVI NG MARI NAS AND3 CONDOMI NI UM COMPLEXES ALONG THE COAST I N4 THE GULF SHORES AREA ALONE. WE' RE STI LL5 TRYI NG TO CONTROL ALL THI S. I N OUR EFFORTS6 TO CONTROL ALL THI S, THI S PAST YEAR WE7 HI RED SEVEN NEW PEOPLE, AND OF COURSE THESE8 PEOPLE WERE SCATTERED ALL OVER THE STATE,9 AND WE STI LL HAVE NUMEROUS VACANCI ES OF

10 WELL OVER 100, 000 ACRES OF WATER AND11 HUNDREDS OF MI LES OF RI VER. WE' VE ALSO - -12 SENATOR BI DDLE HAS I NTRODUCED THE13 LEGI SLATI ON FOR US TO HANDLE SOME PROBLEMS14 THAT WE' VE HAD I N THE PAST WI TH SOME15 REPORTI NG ON ACCI DENTS THAT THE MOTORI STS16 HAVE. THI S I S STRI CTLY DEALI NG WI TH17 PROPERTY DAMAGE ONLY; I T' S NOT WI TH I NJ URY18 OF OTHER TYPES. THE OLD CRI TERI A WAS I F19 YOU HAVE AN ACCI DENT AND YOUR VESSEL I S

20 TORE UP I N THE AMOUNT OF $50, YOU' RE21 REQUI RED BY LAWTO SUBMI T A REPORT TO US.22 THI S NEW LEGI SLATI ON WE ASK THAT THAT BE23 I NCREASED TO $2, 000. THEY SAY THAT' S QUI TE

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000511 A J UMP, BUT I N TODAY' S PRI CES, EVEN A2 PROPELLER WI LL COST YOU OVER 200 OR $300.3 ALL THESE REPORTS AND EVERYTHI NG HAS TO BE4 HANDLED BY SOMEONE, SO I F WE CAN REDUCE THE5 NUMBER OF FRI VOLOUS REPORTS, I T' LL HELP US6 I N THE LONG RUN ON OUR STAFFI NG AND THOSE7 THI NGS. ONE THI NG THAT WE HAVE NOTI CED I N8 THE PAST, WHEN WE HAVE A SHORTAGE OF9 PERSONNEL, WE DO SEE AN I NCREASE I N

10 ACCI DENTS. THI S PAST YEAR WE HAD A11 REDUCTI ON I N THE BOATI NG ACCI DENTS WI TH12 I NJ URI ES, BUT WE HAD A 23 PERCENT I NCREASE13 I N FATALI TI ES, BOATI NG ACCI DENT FATALI TI ES,14 AND THAT KI ND OF OVERSHADOWED THE DECREASE.15 WE ALSO HAVE SOME LEGI SLATI ON I N THAT16 SENATOR BI DDLE I NTRODUCED FOR US DEALI NG17 WI TH BOAT THEFT. SAME DEAL THAT WE18 I NTRODUCED LAST YEAR. I T PASSED THE SENATE19 AND GOT I NTO THE HOUSE AND I T DI ED WI TH THE

20 FI LI BUSTER. THI S BI LL MAKES I T I LLEGAL TO21 ALTER THE HULL AND I DENTI FI CATI ON NUMBERS22 OR THE MOTORS OR THE SERI AL NUMBERS ON THE23 MOTORS OR ANY OTHER RELATED EQUI PMENT. AND

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000521 LOT OF PEOPLE DON' T UNDERSTAND THAT THAT I S2 A BI G BUSI NESS I N THE STATE OF ALABAMA.3 OUR BOAT THEFT I NVESTI GATORS OPENED 634 CASES I N THE PAST YEAR. THERE WAS OVER5 $486, 000 WORTH OF EQUI PMENT STOLEN J UST6 LAST YEAR. THAT' S J UST - - THAT' S NOT7 ADDI NG ALL THE CASES THAT YOU HAD ON HAND8 BEFOREHAND. SO WE' RE LOOKI NG AT A VERY BI G9 BUSI NESS. HURRI CANE I VAN CREATED A GOLD

10 MI NE FOR THE PEOPLE - - THE BOATS AND TREES11 AND EVERYTHI NG ELSE DOWN THERE THAT THEY' RE12 TRYI NG TO STEAL. BUT WE MOVED ALL OUR BOAT13 THEFT PEOPLE I NTO THAT AREA TO TRY TO HELP14 THE GENERAL PUBLI C TO GET THEI R BOATS BACK.15 WE ALSO HAVE BEEN16 CHARGED WI TH THE CLEAN WATER VESSEL - -17 CLEAN VESSEL ACT WI TH THE MSD LAW THAT WAS18 PASSED, THE MARI NE SANI TATI ON DEVI CE LAW.19 WE HAVE I NSPECTORS ALL OVER THE STATE.

20 TODAY THEY' VE I NSPECTED 711 BOATS AND21 MARI NAS, BUT THEY' VE COME BY STATI ONS WI TH22 PROPER MSDS ON BOARD. AND ALL THE BOATS SO23 FAR HAVE BEEN I N COMPLI ANCE, WHI CH WE KI ND

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000531 OF EXPECTED THAT BECAUSE SOMEBODY THAT' S2 NOT I N COMPLI ANCE I S NOT GOI NG TO VOLUNTEER3 TO COME LET US CHECK THEI R BOAT. WE' VE GOT4 SOME PROPOSED CHANGES I N THAT LEGI SLATI ON5 THAT WI LL HELP US WI TH THOSE PEOPLE THAT6 DON' T WANT TO COMPLY WI TH I T. HURRI CANE7 I VAN DI D EXTENSI VE DAMAGE TO OUR FACI LI TI ES8 I N ORANGE BEACH. WE HAD OVER $100, 000 I N9 PI ERS AND BUI LDI NGS AND BOATS. THE BOAT

10 SLI PS I S ANOTHER THI NG THAT WAS DAMAGED,11 AND MOST OF I T WAS BEYOND REPAI R. SO AT12 THI S TI ME I T' S ALMOST COMPLETED, THOSE13 REPAI RS, AND BY THE END OF THI S NEXT MONTH,14 WE SHOULD BE BACK OPERATI ONAL, FULL STAFF15 DOWN THERE.16 COMMI SSI ONER, WE DON' T17 HAVE ANY REGULATI ONS AT THI S TI ME.18 COMMI SSI ONER LAWLEY: ALL RI GHT.19 MR. KELLEY: I F THERE' S ANY

20 QUESTI ONS, I ' LL BE GLAD TO CLARI FY.21 COMMI SSI ONER LAWLEY: WERE THERE22 ANY QUESTI ONS?23 ( NO RESPONSE. )

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000541 COMMI SSI ONER LAWLEY: THANK YOU,2 LARRY.3 MR. KELLEY: THANK YOU.4 COMMI SSI ONER LAWLEY: J I M GRI GGS5 WI TH THE LANDS DI VI SI ON.6 MR. GRI GGS: THANK YOU,7 COMMI SSI ONER. I ' LL BE BRI EF THI S MORNI NG.8 YOU HAVE A PACKAGE THAT GI VES YOU A GENERAL9 OUTLI NE OF WHAT THE LANDS DI VI SI ON WAS

10 I NVOLVED I N I N THE PAST YEAR. I WON' T11 COVER THAT. I WI LL POI NT J UST OUT THAT THE12 LANDS DI VI SI ON GENERATED MORE THAN $26713 MI LLI ON DOLLARS LAST YEAR FOR THE STATE OF14 ALABAMA. YOU MAY HAVE HEARD THAT $3115 MI LLI ON WAS RECENTLY DI STRI BUTED TO SCHOOLS16 THROUGHOUT THE STATE. THOSE WERE FUNDS17 THAT WERE GENERATED BY THE LANDS DI VI SI ON18 I N PREVI OUS YEARS, AND THROUGH SOME SNAFU,19 I T HAD J UST NOT BEEN DI STRI BUTED OUT TO THE

20 SCHOOLS. I T COULD NOT HAVE HAPPENED AT A21 BETTER TI ME, I ' M TOLD BY ALL OF THOSE22 SUPERI NTENDENTS. WE' RE PROUD TO BE A PART23 OF THAT. WE' VE DONE A NUMBER OF THI NGS

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000551 THAT I ' LL POI NT OUT THAT ARE NOT I N YOUR2 SUMMARY. LAST YEAR WE HAD THE FI RST EVER3 ALABAMA COASTAL BI RD FEST. WHAT WE' RE4 TRYI NG TO DO I S TO HAVE A BI RD FESTI VAL.5 I ' M NOT A BI RD WATCHER, BUT I FI ND THAT6 THERE ARE MI LLI ONS AND MI LLI ONS OF PEOPLE7 WHO ARE AVI D BI RD WATCHERS AND WHO SPEND A8 HUGE AMOUNT OF MONEY I N ALABAMA WATCHI NG9 BI RDS. WE' RE TRYI NG TO WORK WI TH THE

10 TOURI SM AND TRAVEL TO ENCOURAGE PEOPLE TO11 BRI NG MONEY FROM OUTSI DE THE STATE I NTO THE12 STATE. I T WAS VERY SUCCESSFUL, THE FI RST13 ONE WAS, AND WE NOW HAVE ANOTHER ONE14 PLANNED FOR OCTOBER OF THI S YEAR, WHI CH WE15 THI NK WI LL BE EVEN BI GGER THAN THAT. WE,16 LI KE THE OTHER DEPARTMENTS, HAVE BEEN17 I NVOLVED I N THE AFTERMATH OF HURRI CANE18 I VAN. THE CI TI ES OF GULF SHORES, ORANGE19 BEACH, AND THE GULF STATE PARK RI GHT NOW

20 ARE I NVOLVED I N A BEACH RENOURI SHMENT21 PROGRAM THAT' S COORDI NATED BY THE STATE22 LANDS DI VI SI ON. THAT' S SUPPOSED TO BE23 STARTI NG NEXT MONDAY, ACTUALLY. I THI NK

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000561 THE DREDGE I S ON SI TE RI GHT NOW.2 WE HAVE A BI LL THAT3 WI LL ALSO ALLOW US TO CUT UP TO $25, 0004 WORTH OF TI MBER WI THOUT GOI NG TO PUBLI C5 BI D, WHERE I T' S SALVAGED TI MBER, WI ND6 THROWN, SUCH AS HURRI CANE- DAMAGED TI MBER OR7 TI MBER THAT WE CLEAR FROM BUGS OR8 RI GHT- OF- WAY, THAT SORT OF THI NG. THAT' S9 PENDI NG I N THE LEGI SLATURE. WE' VE HAD THAT

10 BI LL I NTRODUCED A COUPLE OF TI MES BEFORE.11 I T ALMOST PASSED BUT DI D NOT. WE HOPE THAT12 I T WI LL THI S TI ME. NOW, I WANTED TO ALSO13 REPORT ON THE FOREVER WI LD PROGRAM. THI S14 YEAR, FOREVER WI LD PURCHASED 17, 200 ACRES15 I N 11 DI FFERENT TRACTS THROUGHOUT THE STATE16 OF ALABAMA. THAT' S THE GOOD NEWS. THE17 BETTER NEWS I S THAT I N THE COURSE OF THE18 FOREVER WI LD PROGRAM, WE HAVE PURCHASED19 107, 000 ACRES OF LAND I N ALABAMA. OF THAT

20 107, 000 ACRES, 95, 000 ACRES ARE AVAI LABLE21 TO HUNTI NG, PUBLI C HUNTI NG THROUGHOUT THE22 STATE OF ALABAMA. WE ARE VERY PROUD OF23 THAT. THE ONLY ACRES THAT ARE NOT

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000571 AVAI LABLE TO PUBLI C HUNTI NG ARE ACRES THAT2 ARE I N PARTS OR EI THER WI THI N A CI TY LI MI T3 WHERE THE CI TY WOULD PREVENT HUNTI NG.4 THAT' S THE GOOD NEWS. WE HAVE SOME BAD5 NEWS FOR FOREVER WI LD. TWO DAYS AGO A BI LL6 WAS I NTRODUCED I NTO THE LEGI SLATURE THAT7 WOULD CUT FOREVER WI LD' S FUNDI NG BY8 ONE- THI RD. WE' RE VERY ALARMED BY THAT.9 FOREVER WI LD HAS BEEN A POPULAR PROGRAM.

10 WE HAVE BOUGHT HUNTI NG LANDS. WE ARE11 OUTSTANDI NG - - THE STATE OF ALABAMA I S - -12 I N THE UNI TED STATES FOR ACQUI RI NG13 ADDI TI ONAL PUBLI C HUNTI NG LANDS THAT ARE14 AVAI LABLE. THI S WOULD DRASTI CALLY CUT OUR15 ABI LI TY TO CONTI NUE TO PURCHASE THOSE16 HUNTI NG LANDS, AND WE HAVE OUR EYE ON17 THOUSANDS OF MORE ACRES RI GHT NOW THAT18 WE' RE TRYI NG TO PURCHASE. NOT ONLY WOULD19 I T CUT OUR ACTUAL DOLLARS, BUT I T MAGNI FI ES

20 I TSELF, AND A LOT OF OUR PURCHASES ARE MADE21 WI TH FEDERAL GRANTS THAT WE APPLY FOR. WE22 GET MONEY FROM THE FEDERAL GOVERNMENT ON23 EI THER A 50/ 50 OR I N SOME CASES A 3 TO 1

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000581 MATCH. SO WE GET $3 FOR EVERY DOLLAR FOR2 THE STATE TO MATCH. YOU CAN SEE HOW

3 DRASTI CALLY THI S COULD CUT OUR PROGRAM.4 OBVI OUSLY THE FOREVER WI LD BOARD MEMBERS5 WHO I TALKED TO YESTERDAY ARE I N OPPOSI TI ON6 TO THI S PENDI NG LEGI SLATI ON, AND WE WOULD7 HOPE THAT THE PUBLI C WOULD TAKE A SI MI LAR8 STANCE I N REGARD TO THI S. I T' S SENATE BI LL9 255. THAT' S ALL I HAVE TO REPORT. I ' LL BE

10 GLAD TO TRY TO RESPOND TO ANY QUESTI ONS11 THAT YOU MAY HAVE.12 MR. PORTER: J I M, J UST TALKI NG13 ABOUT S- BI LL 255 AND THE STATI STI CS THAT14 YOU GAVE US, OVER 95, 000 ACRES, THOSE WOULD15 BE I N WI LDLI FE MANAGEMENT AREAS THAT ARE16 MANAGED BY THE DEPARTMENT OF FI SHI NG AND17 WI LDLI FE; I S THAT RI GHT?18 MR. GRI GGS: MR. PORTER, I T19 I NCLUDES BOTH OF THOSE. MANY OF THOSE

20 ACRES ARE WI THI N ESTABLI SHED WMAS, BUT21 THEY' RE ACRES THAT ARE SMALL ENOUGH THAT22 AREN' T WI THI N A WMA THAT ARE LOCALLY23 AVAI LABLE FOR PUBLI C HUNTI NG, SUCH AS THE

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000591 SI MPSON TRACT UP I N TUSCALOOSA COUNTY.2 I T' S 3, 000 ACRES. I T' S NOT ACTUALLY I N A3 WMA, BUT I T' S WI DE OPEN FOR HUNTI NG.4 MR. PORTER: AND THI S 95 ACRES I S5 ADDI TI ONAL PUBLI C LANDS FOR THE HUNTERS I N6 THI S STATE TO HUNT - - A RESOURCE HERE I N7 THI S STATE; I S THAT RI GHT.8 MR. GRI GGS: ABSOLUTELY. WE SAW

9 THI S AS A WAY THAT WE COULD HELP CORKY.10 CORKY FACES A CONTI NUI NG PROBLEM OF PRI VATE11 LANDS BEI NG LEFT OFF FROM WMAS WHERE THE12 STATE DOESN' T ACTUALLY OWN THE LAND. THI S13 I S A WAY THAT WE CAN ADD LANDS TO WMAS THAT14 WI LL NEVER BE WI THDRAWN FROM THOSE WMAS15 BECAUSE WE OWN THE LAND.16 MR. PORTER: AND WOULD YOU AGREE17 WI TH ME I T WOULD BE AN I SSUE THAT THE18 PARTI CULAR HUNTI NG PUBLI C SHOULD BE VOCAL19 ABOUT TO THEI R REPRESENTATI VES AND

20 LEGI SLATURE TO VOI CE THEI R OPPOSI TI ON TO21 THI S BI LL - -22 MR. GRI GGS: ABSOLUTELY. WE WOULD23 ASK EVERYONE TO CONTACT THEI R LEGI SLATURE

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000601 I N OPPOSI TI ON TO SENATE BI LL 255. WE THI NK2 I T CRI TI CALS THE FOREVER WI LD PROGRAM AND3 THE WORK THAT WE' VE DONE THROUGH FOREVER4 WI LD.5 MR. SELF: J I M, WHO I NTRODUCED6 THAT?7 MR. GRI GGS: I T WAS SENATOR DI AL.8 SENATOR GERALD DI AL.9 MR. PORTER: BI LL, I ' VE GOT A COPY

10 OF THE BI LLS I F YOU WANT TO SEE I T, RI GHT11 HERE.12 MR. GRI GGS: THANK YOU.13 COMMI SSI ONER LAWLEY: THANK YOU,14 MR. GRI GGS. WE' LL HAVE MARK EASTERWOOD15 WI TH THE PARKS DI VI SI ON.16 MR. EASTERWOOD: GOOD MORNI NG.17 LI KE EVERYONE ELSE, I J UST WANT TO POI NT18 OUT SOME HI GHLI GHTS THAT ARE CONTAI NED I N19 YOUR PACKETS. BUT ONE I N PARTI CULAR THAT

20 I ' VE BEEN VERY EXCI TED ABOUT FOR THE LAST21 COUPLE OF YEARS. WE HAVE REALLY MADE A LOT22 OF PROGRESS I N OUR NATURAL RESOURCE SECTI ON23 AS FAR AS MANAGI NG OUR WI LDLI FE AND FORESTS

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000611 THAT I THI NK HAS BEEN REALLY UNPRECEDENTED2 AS LONG AS I ' VE BEEN I N THE STATE PARKS3 DEPARTMENT, WHI CH I S CLOSE TO 30 YEARS. SO4 I BELI EVE WE' RE MAKI NG A LOT OF PROGRESS.5 YOU' LL SEE SOME RESULTS OF I SSUES, BUT6 REALLY OUR LONG- TERM PLAN I S REALLY TO7 START SHOWI NG THE BI G RESULTS I N, SAY TEN8 YEARS FROM NOW AND EVEN LONGER. SOME OF9 THE THI NGS WE' RE DOI NG THI S PAST YEAR, WE

10 HAD BURNS I N SI X PARKS THAT TOTALED ABOUT11 840 ACRES. WE HAD SELECT TI MBER HARVESTS12 I N THREE PARKS TOTALI NG ABOUT 828 ACRES.13 AND WHEN WE DO THESE TI MBER HARVESTS AND14 THE BURNS, OF COURSE, I T OPENS UP THE15 FOREST AND GENERATES NEW GROWTH, BUT WE' RE16 ALSO A LOT OF PLACES WE' RE HAVI NG SELECT17 TI MBER HARVEST, WE' RE GOI NG BACK I N AND18 REPLANTI NG SOME MORE DESI RABLE SPECI ES FOR19 THE DI FFERENT TYPES OF WI LDLI FE AND EVEN

20 SOME AREAS ARE ESTABLI SHI NG THE OLD21 SOUTHERN LONG LEAF PI NE PLANTATI ON. SO I N22 SOME AREAS WE HAVE ACTUALLY CLEAR CUT THE23 LOG, MI XI NG HARD WOODS AND PI NES OUT TO

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000621 ESTABLI SH THESE LONG LEAF HABI TATS. ALSO2 I N COOPERATI ON WI TH THE WI LDLI FE FRESHWATER3 FI SHERI ES, WE CONDUCTED THE THREE BOAT4 LAUNCHES THI S YEAR AT OAK MOUNTAI N STATE5 PARK TO HELP REDUCE THE OLD POPULATI ON OF6 THE DEER THERE. THERE WERE 54 DEER7 HARVESTED ON THOSE THREE HUNTS, AND BETWEEN8 LAST YEAR - - WE HAD ONE HUNT LAST YEAR THAT9 WAS ALONG WI TH THE SHARPSHOOTERS, AND WE

10 HAD FI VE SAMPLE DEER THAT WE TOOK FOR11 EVALUATI ON. I N THE LAST TWO YEARS WE HAVE12 HARVESTED 139 DEER FROM OAK MOUNTAI N TO TRY13 TO REDUCE THAT DEER POPULATI ON THERE. AND14 ALONG WI TH OUR FOREST MANAGEMENT PRACTI CES,15 WE HOPE TO DRASTI CALLY I MPROVE THE HEALTH16 HERD THERE.17 ALSO, OF COURSE18 HURRI CANE I VAN DI D A LOT OF DAMAGE AT GULF19 STATE PARK. I N PARTI CULAR, I T REALLY

20 DEVASTATED AND PUT A LOT OF OUR FACI LI TI ES21 OUT OF BUSI NESS. ALONG WI TH THAT, WI ND22 BROUGHT I N A TREMENDOUS AMOUNT OF DEBRI S.23 SO RI GHT NOW WE HAVE A PRETTY HI GH DANGER

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000631 OF FI RE OR FI REWOOD OR FI RE FUEL2 ACCUMULATI ON THERE, SO OUR NATURAL3 RESOURCES SECTI ON HAS ALSO GOT ON THAT. WE4 HAVE ALREADY DONE SOME BURNS I N THE5 CAMPGROUND, WHI CH I S CLOSED NOW, BUT THEY6 HAVE ALSO LI NED UP SOME GRANT MONEY TO PUT7 I N FI RE LANES PRETTY MUCH ALL OVER GULF8 STATE PARK WHERE WE CAN BURN THOSE AREAS9 THAT MAYBE NEVER HAVE BEEN BURNED. I F THEY

10 WERE, I T WAS A WI LD FI RE. SO WE' RE TRYI NG11 TO GET I N A SI TUATI ON WHERE WE CAN - - THI S12 GRANT MONEY PUT I N SOME FI RE LANES13 ESPECI ALLY I N SOME OF THE MARSH AREAS AND14 GET SOME OF THOSE BURNED. I T WI LL APPROVE15 THE AESTHETI CS AND HABI TAT OF THE PROPERTY16 AS WELL AS REDUCE THAT FUEL.17 THE STATE PARKS18 OPERATI ONS SECTI ON, WE - - OUR FI NANCI AL19 SI TUATI ON SI NCE A LOT OF OUR FACI LI TI ES ARE

20 CLOSED, ESPECI ALLY OUR MAJ OR21 REVENUE- PRODUCI NG FACI LI TI ES ARE CLOSED,22 WE' RE TRYI NG TO HANG I N THERE NOW, BUT OUR23 OPERATI ONS SECTI ON ALONG WI TH OUR DI STRI CT

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000641 SUPERVI SORS ARE WORKI NG EVERY YEAR WI TH THE2 I NDI VI DUAL PARKS TRYI NG TO DEVELOP NEW WAYS3 OF OPERATI ON TO REDUCE COSTS AND LOOK AT4 NEW WAYS TO RAI SE REVENUE. AND WE' VE BEEN5 SUCCESSFUL I N DOI NG THAT THI S PAST BUDGET6 PROCESS. WE DI D SOME REORGANI ZATI ON I N7 SOME PARKS WHI CH REDUCED PRI MARI LY8 PERSONNEL COSTS, WHI CH I S THE HI GHEST9 FACTOR, AS WELL AS A LOT OF OTHER EXPENSES.

10 WE' VE I NCREASED RATES WHERE WE THOUGHT THE11 MARKET WAS AS HI GH AS WE FELT LI KE THE12 MARKET WOULD BEAR. AND ALSO EFFECTI VE13 OCTOBER 2004 CHATTAHOOCHEE STATE PARK,14 WHI CH I S SECTI ON 16 SCHOOL LANDS, WE CLOSED15 I T FROM - - OUT FROM UNDER THE STATE PARKS16 DI VI SI ON, AND I BELI EVE MR. GRI GGS I S ABOUT17 TO ENTER I NTO AN AGREEMENT WI TH HOUSTON18 COUNTY TO TAKE OVER THE OPERATI ON OF THAT19 PARK. SO I T' S NOT LI KE THE DEPARTMENT WI LL

20 BE CLOSED. I T' LL STI LL BE I N OPERATI ON FOR21 THE PEOPLE USE I T, BUT BE I N OPERATI ON FOR22 THE COUNTY, WHI CH WE THI NK WI LL BE A LOT23 MORE EFFECTI VE THAN WE CAN. WE ALSO

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000651 TRANSFERRED THE CLAUDE KELLEY STATE PARK,2 WHI CH I S A PROPERTY THAT BELONGS TO THE3 ALABAMA STATE FORESTRY COMMI SSI ON. WE' VE4 TRANSFERRED OPERATI ON OF I T TO THE ALABAMA5 FORESTRY COMMI SSI ON. THEY I NTEND TO6 OPERATE I T BASI CALLY PRI MARI LY AS A DAY USE7 PARK, WHI CH PRI MARI LY THAT' S WHAT I T WAS,8 BUT STI LL MAI NTAI N SOME OF THE CAMPGROUND9 OPERATI ONS ALSO.

10 THE FI NANCI AL11 MANAGEMENT SECTI ON - - THE STATE OF12 ALABAMA' S ACCOUNTI NG FI NANCI AL MANAGEMENT13 I S A VERY COMPLI CATED BUREAUCRATI C14 BUSI NESS. I T' S DI FFI CULT TO UNDERSTAND,15 BUT ANYWAY, WE, I N OUR FI NANCI AL MANAGEMENT16 SECTI ON, HAVE BEEN TRYI NG TO STREAMLI NE A17 LOT OF THESE PROCESSES I N ORDER TO SPEED UP18 AND MAKE I T MORE EFFI CI ENT TO - - WE RUN19 ABOUT $30 MI LLI ON WORTH OF EXPENSES THROUGH

20 OUR DI VI SI ON. SOME TYPE OF PAPER HAS TO BE21 FI LLED OUT TO SUBMI T THAT TO BE PAI D TO THE22 COMPTROLLER' S OFFI CE. SO WE' VE COMBI NED23 SOME FORMS - - TWO FORMS I NTO ONE THAT THE

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000661 FI ELD PEOPLE FI LL OUT. WE PROVI DED THEM

2 THE BETTER I NFORMATI ON THAT THEY NEED TO3 BI LL THOSE OUT PROPERLY, ELECTRONI CALLY,4 GET THAT BACK TO US, AND WE' VE CUT OUR5 REVI EW TI ME DOWN I N THE MONTGOMERY OFFI CE.6 OUR OFFI CE STAFF ARE GETTI NG THOSE PAI D I N7 A MORE TI MELY FASHI ON AND GETTI NG THE MONEY8 BACK TO OUR VENDORS I N A MUCH BETTER TI ME.9 THEY' RE ALSO LOOKI NG AT A NUMBER OF WAYS

10 VI A E- MAI L TO GET THE FI NANCI AL DATA FROM 11 THE FI ELD BACK TO US I N A QUI CKER MANNER SO12 THAT WE CAN REVI EW I T AND MAKE DECI SI ONS ON13 WHERE WE STAND EACH MONTH WHEN THEY DO14 THEI R REPORTI NG. SO WE' RE MAKI NG SOME15 PROGRESS I N TRYI NG TO STREAMLI NE THAT, A16 LOT OF THOSE FI NANCI AL REPORTI NG FORMS AND17 REQUI REMENTS, AND WE' RE MAKI NG SUBSTANTI AL18 PROGRESS I N THAT.19 ADVERTI SI NG AND

20 MARKETI NG. ONE OF THE BI G ACCOMPLI SHMENTS21 WE MADE THI S YEAR I S WE COMPLETELY22 REDESI GNED OUR MAI N SYSTEMWI DE PARK23 BROCHURE. I T HAS A TOTAL DI FFERENT LOOK, A

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000671 LOT OF MORE I NFORMATI ON, UPDATED PI CTURES,2 VERY NI CE- LOOKI NG I THI NK, AND I BELI EVE WE3 REALLY DI D A GOOD J OB ON THAT, AND SO - -4 THE OTHER ONE WE HAD WAS PROBABLY 20 YEARS5 OLD OR SO, AND I T EVEN HAD PHOTOGRAPHS I N6 THERE ABOUT THAT OLD. AND ALSO WE ARE7 WORKI NG WI TH I NDI VI DUAL PARKS TO UPDATE A8 LOT OF THEI R I NDI VI DUAL BROCHURES TOO. AND9 ALSO WI LL BE WORKI NG WI TH THE LUCKY

10 ADVERTI SI NG COMPANY. WE HAD TV AND RADI O11 COMMERCI ALS LAST YEAR AND WE' RE GOI NG I NTO12 ANOTHER YEAR AND WE' LL BE WORKI NG WI TH THEM

13 TO CONTI NUE TO DEVELOP ADVERTI SI NG AND14 MARKETI NG RADI O AND TV SPOTS, WHI CH WE15 BELI EVE WI LL PAY OFF. AND YOU HAVE AN16 UPDATED VERSI ON OF WHAT ALL I S GOI NG ON I N17 THE RENOVATI ONS PROGRAM, WHI CH WE HAVE A18 LOT GOI NG ON. I WI LL POI NT OUT THAT19 THERE' S A LOT OF PROJ ECTS ON THAT REPORT

20 THAT HAVE BEEN COMPLETED, BUT WHEN WE21 TRANSFERRED I T TO THE DI SK, DI D NOT PI CK UP22 THE COMPLETED PROJ ECTS. BUT A LOT OF THOSE23 ARE COMPLETED, AND I THI NK I F YOU READ THE

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000681 VERY BOTTOM, YOU CAN PROBABLY TELL. AND I2 WANT TO GO OVER SOME THAT' S ABOUT TO HAPPEN3 AND I S GOI NG ON NOW, SOME OF THE MAJ OR4 ONES. AND ESPECI ALLY AT GULF STATE PARK,5 WE HAVE - - WE ARE WORKI NG ON A CONTRACT TO6 DESI GN THE NEW PI ER, WHI CH WAS DEMOLI SHED7 DURI NG THE HURRI CANE. WE HAVE AN8 ENGI NEERI NG FI RM THEY' RE I N THE CONTRACT9 PROCESS NOW TO DESI GN A NEW PI ER. THEY' RE

10 TALKI NG APPROXI MATELY FI VE MONTHS OF DESI GN11 TI ME AND MAYBE A YEAR OR LESS - - NI NE12 MONTHS TO A YEAR OF CONSTRUCTI ON TI ME, SO13 WE HOPE TO GET ON THAT AND GET - - HOPE TO14 GET THAT DESI GN FI NI SHED. THE BEACH15 PAVI LI ON, THE NEW CABI NS AND THE BEACH16 ACCESS POI NTS, WHI CH I S A FLORI DA POI NT,17 COTTON BAYOU ROAD MARK AND COUNTY ROAD 218 ARE ALL ABOUT TO BEGI N - - SHOULD BEGI N OVER19 THE NEXT TWO WEEKS. WE HAD PRECONSTRUCTI ON

20 MEETI NGS ON ALL OF THOSE, AND THEY SHOULD21 BE READY TO START WI THI N THE NEXT FEW

22 WEEKS. I T WI LL BE A BI G HELP.23 THE CAMPGROUND I S

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000691 UNDER CONSTRUCTI ON NOW FULLY. WE SHOULD2 HAVE ABOUT 100 SI TES READY, WE' RE HOPI NG BY3 THE END OF MARCH. I WAS OVER THERE I N THE4 LAST COUPLE OF WEEKS, AND THEY' VE ALREADY5 STARTED PAI NTI NG SOME OF THEM. THEY HAVE A6 LOT OF THE WATER, ELECTRI CI TY AND SEWER7 LI NES I N, SO WE' RE MOVI NG ALONG ON THOSE8 SI TES. THE HOTEL, WE' RE OF COURSE TRYI NG9 TO NEGOTI ATE WI TH THE I NSURANCE - - GET AN

10 I NSURANCE SETTLEMENT ON I T. WHAT WE WERE11 WORKI NG ON BEFORE THAT WE TEMPORARI LY HAVE12 TO HOLD UP UNTI L WE GET THI S I NSURANCE13 SETTLED. WE WORKED LAST WEEK, WE' LL BE14 WORKI NG NEXT WEEK ON GETTI NG ALL OF OUR15 I NFORMATI ON TOGETHER TO SUBMI T OUR CLAI M.16 AND THE BEACH RECONSTRUCTI ON ALONG THE17 COASTAL PEOPLE I S - - J I M, I THOUGHT - -18 TERRY TOLD ME I THI NK HI S UNI T I S I N THE19 WATER. HE MAY BE STARTI NG PUMPI NG SOME

20 THI S WEEK POSSI BLY. BUT J I M SAI D AT LEAST21 BY NEXT WEEK WE THI NK THE WHOLE - - FROM THE22 ALABAMA LI NE ALL THE WAY TO GULF SHORES I S23 - - THE BEACH RENOURI SHMENT OR THE BEACH

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000701 RECONSTRUCTI ON PROJ ECT SHOULD BE UNDERWAY,2 AND WE' RE A PART OF I T ALONG WI TH ORANGE3 BEACH AND GULF SHORES, WHI CH I S VERY TI MELY4 AFTER THE HURRI CANE. I THI NK WE' LL GET A5 NEW DUNE SYSTEM BACK VERY SHORTLY. WE HAVE6 ONE SECTI ON COMPLETED.7 THE GUNTERSVI LLE HOTEL8 I S COMI NG ALONG VERY WELL. THEY HAD I T9 MOSTLY DEMOLI SHED AND THEY STARTED COMI NG

10 BACK I N WI TH THE PLUMBI NG, ELECTRI CAL NOW.11 ACCORDI NG TO THE ORI GI NAL CONTRACT, THEY' D12 LI KE ABOUT ANOTHER YEAR. I THI NK I T' S DUE13 TO BE COMPLETED I N J ANUARY OF ' 06. AT LAKE14 POI NT THE MARI NA RENOVATI ON I S COMPLETED.15 THE CABI NS - - EI GHT CABI NS I S - - I WAS16 THERE THURSDAY. THEY' RE ABOUT 80 PERCENT17 COMPLETE. LOOKI NG ABOUT ANOTHER COUPLE OF18 MONTHS AND WE' LL HAVE THOSE. THE HOTEL19 SHOULD BE READY TO BI D BY - - WE SHOULD BE

20 ABLE TO GO OUT BI D WI TH I T BY THE END OF21 THI S MONTH. HOPEFULLY THE ARCHI TECT WI LL22 GET THE PLANS BACK OUT AND THE BUI LDI NG23 COMMI SSI ON WI LL BE READY TO PUT THOSE OUT

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000711 FOR BI DS.2 J OE WHEELER STATE3 PARK, WE HAVE AN ENGI NEERI NG AND4 ARCHI TECTURAL GROUP THAT I S DESI GNI NG 10 TO5 15 CABI NS DEPENDI NG ON WHAT THE COST I S AT6 J OE WHEELER STATE PARK WHI CH WI LL BE7 ADJ ACENT TO THE HOTEL COMPLEX ON THE LAKE,8 ALL OF THEM WI LL BE LAKE FRONT, TWO AND9 THREE BEDROOM CABI NS, WHI CH WI LL BE VERY

10 NI CE. WE HAVE AN ENGI NEERI NG FI RM THAT I S11 ALREADY DEVELOPI NG THE I NFRASTRUCTURE TO12 BUI LD ADDI TI ONAL COVERED BOAT SLI PS, RENTAL13 BOAT SLI PS, LONG- TERM SLI PS AT J OE WHEELER14 PARK. AND AT OAK MOUNTAI N, WE OPENED THE15 GOLF COURSE J ANUARY THE 14TH. THE16 CLUBHOUSE I S UNDER RENOVATI ON NOW AND I T17 SHOULD BE READY I N APPROXI MATELY A MONTH,18 PROBABLY A MONTH AND A HALF, TWO MONTHS.19 PLAY AT OAK MOUNTAI N THI S TI ME OF YEAR,

20 I T' S BEEN RECEI VED VERY WELL. WE' RE21 GETTI NG SOMEWHERE ON A GOOD DAY ABOUT 10022 ROUNDS A DAY, SO I T' S PRETTY GOOD OPERATI NG23 I N TEMPORARY FACI LI TI ES, BUT WE BELI EVE

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000721 ONCE WE GET THE PRO SHOP OPEN I T' S REALLY2 GOI NG TO MAKE A BI G DI FFERENCE AND BRI NG3 THAT GOLF COURSE BACK UP TO I TS 40, 0004 ROUNDS OR SO THAT I T WAS, SAY, TEN YEARS5 AGO. SO THAT' S ALL I HAVE NOW. I F Y' ALL6 HAVE ANY QUESTI ONS.7 COMMI SSI ONER LAWLEY: THANK YOU.8 ANYBODY HAVE ANY QUESTI ONS?9 ( NO RESPONSE. )

10 COMMI SSI ONER LAWLEY: THANK YOU,11 MARK. MR. CHAI RMAN, THAT CONCLUDES OUR12 REPORTS.13 MR. MOULTRI E: THANK YOU,14 COMMI SSI ONER. I F THE BOARD CHOOSES TO PUSH15 THROUGH, LET' S GO THROUGH OUR DI STRI CT16 REPORTS AND THEN TAKE A BREAK. SO WE CAN17 PUSH ON THROUGH AND WE' LL TAKE A BREAK18 I MMEDI ATELY AFTER THOSE. LET' S START WI TH19 DI STRI CT 1, WOULD BE ROSS SELF. DO YOU

20 HAVE ANY REPORT, ROSS?21 MR. SELF: YES, I DO,22 MR. CHAI RMAN. I WANT TO FI RST OF ALL23 MENTI ON ABOUT HURRI CANE I VAN AND HOW I T

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000731 DEVASTATED DI STRI CT 1. I T DI D PROBABLY2 MORE DAMAGE I N DI STRI CT 1, HURRI CANE I VAN,3 THAN FROM ANY OTHER DI STRI CT, PARTI CULARLY4 TO OUR FOREST LANDS I N MONROE, ESCAMBI A,5 BALDWI N, AND WASHI NGTON COUNTI ES. MOBI LE6 COUNTY AS WELL. NOT SO BAD I N MOBI LE7 COUNTY BUT MONROE COUNTY ESPECI ALLY GOT8 DEVASTATED. THE COASTLI NE, OF COURSE, WAS9 I MPACTED MORE THAN ANY OTHER AREA, AND THI S

10 HAD A TREMENDOUS I MPACT ON THE OYSTER11 CATCHERS I N MOBI LE BAY THAT - - BECAUSE12 ABOUT 75 TO 80 PERCENT OF THE OYSTER BEDS13 WERE DESTROYED. AND I DON' T KNOW I F VERN14 COVERED THI S OR NOT, BUT THEY APPLI ED FOR A15 FOUR- AND- A- HALF MI LLI ON DOLLAR FEDERAL16 GRANT AND I T WAS RECEI VED AND THEY17 PROCEEDED WI TH RESTORI NG - - PROCEEDED WI TH18 RESTORI NG THESE OYSTER BEDS, WHI CH I S GOI NG19 TO TAKE SEVERAL YEARS FOR THEM TO EVER GET

20 BACK TO THE CONDI TI ON THEY WERE PRI OR TO21 HURRI CANE I VAN. CURRENTLY THE OYSTER22 FI SHERMEN ARE FI SHI NG ON THE FAR WESTERN23 EDGE OF THE REEFS, AND THEY ARE CATCHI NG

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000741 SOME OYSTERS AND PRODUCI NG SOME OYSTERS2 FROM THOSE BEDS, BUT I T' S STI LL A VERY3 DEPRESSED SI TUATI ON.4 THE SHRI MP AND SEASON5 FAI R, I T FAI RED PRETTY WELL BUT THERE WAS A6 LOT OF DEBRI S I N MOBI LE BAY, AND THI S7 PROMPTED THE SHRI MPERS TO REQUEST THAT8 THESE TURTLE- EXCLUDI NG DEVI CES BE EXCEPTED9 DURI NG THI S TI ME, THAT THEY WERE PI CKI NG UP

10 SO MUCH DEBRI S THEY COULDN' T OPERATE THE11 SHRI MP BEDS. SO THEY GOT A 30- DAY12 EXCEPTI ON ON TEDS - - THAT' S WHAT THEY CALL13 THE TURTLE EXCLUSI ON DEVI CES - - AND THEN14 AFTER THAT 30 DAYS THEY HAD TO ACTUALLY GO15 BACK AND GET ANOTHER 30 DAYS BECAUSE THERE16 WAS STI LL SO MUCH DEBRI S I N THE WATER. THE17 FALL NET FI SHERY FOR MULLET DI D VERY WELL18 I N NOVEMBER, WI TH DEALERS REPORTI NG GOOD19 CATCHES AND PRI CES. I ' VE GOT A RESOLUTI ON

20 THAT I WANT TO I NTRODUCE TO THE BOARD - -21 AND I ' LL PROBABLY DO THAT LATER ON UNDER22 OTHER BUSI NESS - - THAT DEALS WI TH THE23 SPECI AL MANAGEMENT ZONES OFF SHORE WHERE

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000751 THE ARTI FI CI AL REEFS ARE. J UST BRI EFLY,2 SNAPPER SEASON I N ALABAMA FOR THE3 RECREATI ONAL FI SHERMEN OPENS I N APRI L, AND4 FOR THE COMMERCI AL FI SHERMEN, I T OPENS AT5 THE FI RST OF J ANUARY. AND THE COMMERCI AL6 FI SHERMAN I S ON - - HE' S ON A TOTAL TONNAGE7 - - A TONNAGE LI MI T SET BY THE FEDERAL8 GOVERNMENT THAT THEY CAN CATCH SO MANY TONS9 OF FI SH FOR THE YEAR. AND THEY HAVE A

10 QUOTE, AND ACTUALLY I T' S 4. 5 MI LLI ON A11 POUND. AND - - BUT THE RECREATI ONAL12 FI SHERMAN, OF COURSE, DOES NOT GET A CHANCE13 TO GO FI SHI NG UNTI L - - I BELI EVE I T' S APRI L14 THE 20TH - - 21ST? APRI L 21 THI S YEAR,15 BEFORE WE START - - I SAY "WE" - - BEFORE THE16 RECREATI ONAL FI SHERMEN CAN GO FI SHI NG. AND17 TRYI NG TO GET A - - I WANT TO SEE A LEVEL18 PLAYI NG FI ELD AND THAT' S WHAT THI S19 RESOLUTI ON I S DEALI NG WI TH BECAUSE THE

20 COMMERCI AL FI SHERMAN, HE USES 40, 50, 6021 HOOKS ON A LI NE. AND HE HAS A - - THERE' S A22 HI GH MORTALI TY RATE WHEN YOU CATCH23 UNDERSI ZED FI SH THAT THESE FI SH DON' T GET

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000761 BACK I NTO THE - - THEY J UST DI E; THEY DON' T2 SURVI VE. AND WE WANT TO - - I ' D LI KE TO SEE3 SOME KI ND OF LI MI T PUT ON THE NUMBER OF4 HOOKS THAT THESE COMMERCI AL FI SHERMEN CAN5 USE ON THESE SO- CALLED BANDI T RI GS. SO6 I ' LL COVER THAT I N THAT RESOLUTI ON WHEN WE7 GET TO I T.8 MR. MOULTRI E: I S THAT ALL YOU9 HAD, MR. SHELF?

10 MR. SELF: YES. ONE MORE THI NG.11 I HAD SOME COMPLAI NTS FROM SOME LANDOWNERS12 I N WASHI NGTON AND MONROE COUNTY THAT DEAL13 WI TH DOG DEER HUNTI NG. AND OF COURSE, I14 GUESS EVERYBODY ON THI S BOARD HAS PROBABLY15 HAD SOME COMPLAI NTS ABOUT THAT. AND16 ACTUALLY, THERE WERE ONLY TWO COMPLAI NTS,17 BUT THEY CAME RI GHT AT THE END OR RI GHT18 AFTER THE DEER SEASON, SO I PLAN TO19 I NVESTI GATE THOSE AND TRY TO TALK TO

20 LANDOWNERS AND SEE I F ANYTHI NG CAN BE DONE21 TO RELI EVE THAT SI TUATI ON. AND THAT' S ALL,22 MR. CHAI RMAN. THANK YOU.23 MR. MOULTRI E: THANK YOU,

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000771 MR. SELF. ALONG WI TH - - J UST OUT OF2 CURI OSI TY MR. SELF WAS TALKI NG ABOUT THE3 RELEASED FI SH, THE MORTALI TY RATE. I S4 THERE AN ESTI MATED MORTALI TY RATE OF5 RELEASED FI SH?6 MR. KELLEY: YES, SI R. I N THE7 RECREATI ONAL FI SHERY, AN ESTI MATED 208 PERCENT RELEASED MORTALI TY AND I N THE9 COMMERCI AL FI SHERY, I T' S 80 PERCENT. 80

10 PERCENT OF THE FI SH RELEASED I N A11 COMMERCI AL FI SHERY ARE ESTI MATED TO NOT12 MAKE I T. AND I F I MAY, MR. CHAI RMAN, THE13 OPERATI ON THAT THEY USE, AS MR. SELF14 POI NTED OUT, THEY HAVE - - BETWEEN 30 AND 5015 HOOKS ARE DROPPED. THEY CALL THEM BANDI T16 RI GS, AND I T' S A LARGE EI THER HYDRAULI C OR17 ELECTRI CAL REEL THAT COMES UP WI TH THI S.18 WHEN THAT LI NE COMES UP, THOSE FI SH ARE19 PLACED ON THE DECK. NOTHI NG' S DONE TO THEM

20 UNTI L THEY GET ANOTHER LI NE READY AND21 BASI CALLY DROP TO THE BOTTOM. THE FI RST22 FI SH THAT COME OFF OF THAT LI NE ARE THE23 FI SH THAT THEY KEEP. THEY HAVE A MI NI MUM

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000781 SI ZE OF 15 I NCHES. THE LAST FI SH ARE THOSE2 THAT THEY HAVE TO RELEASE, AND OUR REPORTS3 SO THAT THERE' S, YOU KNOW, LI TERALLY4 HUNDREDS OF FI SH THROUGHOUT THE BOATS THAT5 ARE DYI NG OR DEAD. WHAT THI S WOULD DO, AS6 MR. SELF POI NTED OUT, WOULD ALLOW ONLY7 THREE HOOKS PER DROP, RECREATI ONAL OR8 COMMERCI AL. I T WOULD NOT LI MI T COMMERCI AL9 FI SHI NG, J UST THAT EVERYBODY' S GOT TO FI SH

10 THE SAME AND HOPEFULLY REDUCE THAT11 MORTALI TY.12 MR. LYNCH: WHAT PERCENTAGE OF THE13 30 OR HOWEVER MANY FI SH THEY CATCH ARE14 UNDERSI ZED, TYPI CALLY?15 MR. KELLEY: I T' S VERY HARD TO16 ESTI MATE, OKAY. I T DEPENDS ON WHERE17 THEY' RE FI SHI NG. I F THEY' RE FI SHI NG I N OUR18 ZONE, PROBABLY ANYWHERE FROM 30 PERCENT TO19 50 PERCENT. THE FURTHER THEY GO OFF SHORE,

20 THAT PERCENTAGE GOES DOWN. AND AGAI N, I T21 DEPENDS ON THE I NDI VI DUAL FI SHERMAN. I F22 THEY' RE FI SHI NG - - SOME FI SHERMEN23 COMMERCI ALLY WI LL GO TO AN AREA, AND I F

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000791 THEY HAVE A VERY HI GH PERCENTAGE OF2 UNDERSI ZED FI SH, THEY LEAVE; SOME WON' T.3 SO, YOU KNOW, THERE' S NO SPECI FI C ESTI MATE4 FOR THAT, BUT I T VARI ES.5 MR. LYNCH: 80 PERCENT OF HALF6 THEI R CATCHES ARE DYI NG EVERY TI ME THEY7 PULL I N A LI NE?8 MR. KELLEY: WELL, 80 PERCENT OF9 WHAT THEY CATCH.

10 MR. LYNCH: OH, OKAY.11 MR. KELLEY: YES. 80 PERCENT OF12 FI SH THEY RELEASE WI LL DI E. SO HOWEVER13 MANY - - I F YOU HAD - - DO YOU UNDERSTAND?14 MR. LYNCH: I F HALF OF THE FI SH15 ARE LEGAL AND HALF ARE I LLEGAL, 80 PERCENT16 OF THE I LLEGAL ONES DI E.17 MR. KELLEY: YES, SI R.18 MR. LYNCH: OKAY.19 MR. MOULTRI E: ARE THERE ANY

20 ESTI MATES Y' ALL HAVE ON HOW THE PRESS I N21 OUR CHARTER I NDUSTRY WI LL BE DEALI NG WI TH22 LACK OF ACCOMMODATI ONS FROM FI SHERMEN BEI NG23 ABLE TO COME DOWN AND UTI LI ZE THE GULF?

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000801 MR. KELLEY: ACCORDI NG TO MAYOR2 RUSSO ON THURSDAY, HE REPORTED THAT I3 BELI EVE BY MAY THEY WI LL BE BACK TO 804 PERCENT OF THE FACI LI TY. I T SHOULDN' T HAVE5 AS BI G AN I MPACT AS WE WERE CONCERNED6 ABOUT, BUT RI GHT NOW THEY' RE WORKI NG7 FEVERI SHLY TO GET READY FOR THE APRI L 21ST8 OPENI NG.9 MR. MOULTRI E: THANK YOU VERY

10 MUCH. MR. HATLEY, DO YOU HAVE A REPORT11 ALSO?12 MR. HATLEY: YEAH, J UST A COUPLE13 OF THI NGS, MR. CHAI RMAN. MOST OF THE14 CONCERNS THAT I HAVE BEEN CONTACTED ABOUT15 I N OUR AREA HAVE DEALT WI TH THE FALL OF16 DOVE SEASON AND ALSO WI TH SOME OF THE AREA17 OF THE PANHANDLE I N FLORI DA AND ALABAMA18 WI TH DEER HUNTERS. THESE THI NGS ARE OF19 CONCERN, WHI CH I WI LL DI SCUSS I NDI VI DUALLY

20 WI TH CORKY AND ALLEN. AND ALSO,21 MR. CHAI RMAN, WHI LE I ' VE GOT THE FLOOR, I22 WOULD LI KE TO COMMEND THE STAFF AND ALSO23 THE DEER BREEDERS ASSOCI ATI ON FOR THE

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000811 EFFORT THAT THEY PUT FORTH THI S YEAR. AS2 YOU REMEMBER AT OUR LAST MEETI NG, I3 REQUESTED THAT WE FI ND OUT HOW MANY DEER4 BREEDERS WE THOUGHT WE HAD I N THE STATE OF5 ALABAMA. I ALSO THE REQUESTED THAT WE FI ND6 OUT HOW MANY HI GH FENCES WE HAD I N THE7 STATE OF ALABAMA. AND ALLEN AND CORKY HAVE8 DONE A GOOD J OB OF I DENTI FYI NG THOSE, AND9 AT THI S TI ME I THI NK WE HAVE, TO THE BEST

10 OF OUR KNOWLEDGE, SOMEWHERE AROUND 21311 COMMERCI AL OPERATI ONS I N THE STATE, GI VE OR12 TAKE, AND SOME OF THE THI NGS I DI DN' T13 REALI ZE AND WANTED TO KNOW WAS THAT WE NOW

14 CAN I DENTI FY 92, 93 DEER BREEDI NG15 OPERATI ONS I N THE STATE AND APPROXI MATELY16 50 SOME- ODD OF THOSE ARE MEMBERS OF THE17 ALABAMA DEER BREEDERS ASSOCI ATI ON. WE18 STI LL HAVE NOT PROGRESSED TO THE POI NT OF19 WHERE MY ULTI MATE GOAL WAS TO GET TO, WAS

20 TO TRY TO PUT - - I DENTI FY THE COMMERCI AL21 OPERATI ONS I N THE STATE AND ALSO I DENTI FY22 POSSI BLY THE NUMBER OF PROFESSI ONAL GUI DES23 I N THE STATE OF ALABAMA. AND HOPEFULLY,

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000821 DOWN THE ROAD WE CAN ACCOMPLI SH THAT AND2 LOOK AT UPGRADI NG AND PERHAPS PUTTI NG FEES3 AND LI CENSES ON THOSE I NSTI TUTI ONS AS I HAD4 ASKED FOR OR HOPED TO RELAY TODAY. BUT THE5 STAFF, I N WORKI NG WI TH THEM I N THESE LAST6 - - SI NCE OUR LAST MEETI NG, I THI NK WE' VE7 MADE A LOT OF PROGRESS I N THAT AREA AND8 ESPECI ALLY I N THE DEER BREEDI NG AREA. SOME9 OF THE STATI STI CS WE GOT I NTO AND THI NGS

10 THAT WE FOUND OUT REALLY HAS ASTOUNDED ME11 AS FAR AS THE STATE OF ALABAMA - - AND12 NATI ONWI DE, FOR THAT MATTER.13 MR. MOULTRI E: I S THAT ALL?14 MR. HATLEY: DO YOU WANT ME TO SAY15 ANYTHI NG ELSE?16 MR. MOULTRI E: THANK YOU,17 MR. HATLEY AND MR. SELF. OKAY. FROM

18 DI STRI CT 2, MR. COLES.19 MR. COLES: THANK YOU,

20 MR. CHAI RMAN. SI NCE OUR LAST MEETI NG, I21 HAVE MET WI TH FI VE DEER HUNTI NG CLUBS; I ' VE22 MET WI TH THREE DOVE HUNTI NG CLUBS; THREE23 LANDOWNERS ASSOCI ATI ONS; MET WI TH FI VE

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000831 CONSERVATI ON OFFI CERS; MET WI TH A DI STRI CT2 6 SUPERVI SOR CONCERNI NG COMPLAI NTS WI THI N3 THE DI STRI CT; RETURNED 73 PHONE CALLS;4 RECEI VED 52 LETTERS AND/ OR E- MAI LS5 CONCERNI NG CONSERVATI ON MATTERS, AND I6 WOULD LI KE TO COMMEND THE ENFORCEMENT7 DI VI SI ON AND THE ENTI RE DI VI SI ON DURI NG THE8 AFTERMATH OF HURRI CANE I VAN. I WAS9 SURPRI SED - - WELL, FI RST OCCASI ON REALLY

10 SURPRI SED ME I N THAT I SAW CONSERVATI ON11 OFFI CERS OUT DI RECTI NG TRAFFI C I N A RURAL12 AREA OF THE DI STRI CT THERE WHI LE THERE WAS13 UTI LI TY COMPANI ES TRYI NG TO ESTABLI SH POWER14 ON FOLKS THAT WERE WI THOUT POWER FOR A LONG15 DI STANCE - - A LONG PERI OD OF TI ME. BUT16 WHEN YOU HAVE THESE BI G BUCKET TRUCKS AND17 WHAT HAVE YOU OUT THERE, THEY TAKE UP A LOT18 OF SPACE BOTH ON THE RI GHT- OF- WAY AND ON19 THE ROAD, AND WE HAD TO USE SOME OF THESE

20 CONSERVATI ON OFFI CERS FOR TRAFFI C CONTROL.21 MR. HATLEY AND MR. SELF' S DI STRI CT WAS22 EXTREMELY DEVASTATED BY HURRI CANE I VAN, AND23 LI KEWI SE SOME OF MY DI STRI CT WAS. AND THE

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000841 PI CTURES THAT YOU SEE ON TV WERE2 HORRI FYI NG, VERY GRAPHI C, BUT WHEN YOU GO3 AND LOOK AT I T FI RST- HAND, I T' S VERY4 DEVASTATI NG, AND OUR HEARTS AND THOUGHTS5 STI LL GO OUT TO SOME OF THOSE PEOPLE DOWN6 THERE. I F YOU TRAVEL I N BALDWI N COUNTY OR7 ESCAMBI A COUNTY OR MONROE, SOME OF THESE8 AREAS, THERE' S A LOT OF BLUE TAR STI LL ON9 THE ROOFS DOWN THERE. THESE PEOPLE STI LL

10 HAVE NOT COME OUT OF THI S. MOST OF THESE11 PEOPLE HAVE I NSURANCE COMPANI ES THAT HAVE12 SETTLED WI TH THEM; HOWEVER, THE13 AVAI LABI LI TY OF LABOR REPLACI NG THESE ROOFS14 AND EVERYTHI NG I S NONEXI STENT. SO I F YOU15 WANT TO MAKE SOME MONEY REAL QUI CK, GET I N16 THE ROOFI NG BUSI NESS I N SOUTHWEST ALABAMA.17 THAT WOULD BE A GOOD J OB. MR. CHAI RMAN,18 THANK YOU, THAT' S ALL I HAVE.19 MR. MOULTRI E: THANK YOU,

20 MR. COLES. OF DI STRI CT 3, MR. LYNCH, DO21 YOU HAVE A REPORT?22 MR. LYNCH: THANK YOU,23 MR. CHAI RMAN. SI NCE OUR LAST MEETI NG, I ' VE

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000851 RECEI VED SOME OF THE NORMAL MAI L THAT I ' VE2 RECEI VED BEFORE AND PHONE CALLS. ONE THI NG3 THAT SENATOR BI DDLE SAI D THI S MORNI NG THAT4 WAS CONCERNI NG TO ME, I WASN' T SURE WHAT HE5 WAS SAYI NG ABOUT THE BAI TI NG BI LL, NOT TO6 WORRY ABOUT I T BECAUSE THEY' RE GOI NG TO DO7 I T ANYWAY. AND THAT I S AN AREA THAT I S OF8 GREAT CONCERN TO ME PERSONALLY, AS WE TRY9 TO PROTECT OUR RESOURCES OUT THERE. SO I ' M

10 MORE CONCERNED THAN J UST NOT LETTI NG THAT11 THI NG GOI NG AND NOT WORRYI NG ABOUT I T, BUT12 LET THI S BOARD TAKE A KEEN I NTEREST I N THAT13 BI LL AND THE PROGRESS OF THAT BI LL I N THE14 LEGI SLATURE. AND OTHER THAN THAT, I DON' T15 HAVE ANYTHI NG ELSE.16 MR. MOULTRI E: THANK YOU,17 MR. LYNCH. OUT OF DI STRI CT 4, MR. HARBI N?18 MR. HARBI N: YES, SI R. I ' M STI LL19 HAVI NG TROUBLE I N THE FOUR COUNTI ES THAT

20 WERE RECENTLY BANNED FROM RUNNI NG DEER WI TH21 DOGS. THE ENFORCEMENT AGENCY HAS WORKED22 HARD UP THERE I N PUTTI NG I N EXTRA CONTROLS,23 BUT TO MAKE A CASE I N THI S COURT' S EYES,

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000861 I T' S HARD TO DO. AND I HAVE A LETTER FROM

2 THI S LOCAL WARDEN UP THERE THAT I F YOU' D3 LI KE TO READ I T, I T' S THE REASON HE HAS A4 TROUBLE MAKI NG CASES AGAI NST THE DOG5 HUNTERS. I N 2003 I THI NK WE PASSED THI S6 BAN. THERE WERE 70, 000 DOG- RELATED7 COMPLAI NTS. AND THI S YEAR ALONE I THI NK8 THERE' S 69 - - 64 LEFT I N FRANKLI N COUNTY9 ALONE. SO YOU SEE, I T HASN' T DECREASED ANY

10 AT ALL.11 MR. MOULTRI E: WOULD YOU LI KE THI S12 READ, MR. HARBI N?13 MR. HARBI N: YES, SI R, I F YOU14 WOULD.15 MR. MOULTRI E: LETTER STATES THAT16 ON 1/ 15/ 05, 1/ 16/ 05, AND 1/ 22/ 05, A PATROL17 DETAI L WAS ASSEMBLED TO TRY AND CURTAI L ANY18 I LLEGAL DOG DEER HUNTI NG I N THE AREAS OF19 THE ( I NAUDI BLE) HC - - I GUESS HUNTI NG

20 CLUB - - BI G TRACK HUNTI NG CLUB, AND ATWOOD21 HUNTI NG CLUB, WHI CH ARE LOCATED I N FRANKLI N22 COUNTY. PATROL UNI TS WERE DI SPATCHED AND23 ASSI GNED ROVI NG PATROL AREAS AND

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000871 OBSERVATI ON POSTS AT PAROLE UNI TS. AREAS2 OF OPERATI ON WAS ADJ USTED TO SATURATE AREAS3 WHERE SUSPI CI OUS HUNTI NG ACTI VI TY WAS4 OBSERVED. DURI NG THE COURSE OF THE DETAI L,5 SEVERAL VEHI CLES WERE OBSERVED I N THE6 PATROL AREA THAT WERE SUSPI CI OUS. THESE7 VEHI CLES HAD DOG BOXES AND SOME CONTAI NED8 DOGS THAT APPEARED TO BE CONDUCI VE FOR DOG9 DEER HUNTI NG. UPON SPEAKI NG WI TH SOME OF

10 THE SUBJ ECTS, THEY ALLUDED THEY WERE RABBI T11 HUNTI NG. AT NUMEROUS TI MES THERE WERE12 AUDI BLE SI GNS OF DOGS RUNNI NG I N THE PATROL13 AREA. FOR THE MOST PART, A VI SUAL WAS NOT14 ATTAI NABLE TO DETERMI NE I F THEY WERE DEER15 DOGS. I N MY OPI NI ON, THE AMOUNT OF GROUND16 COVERED, CONTI NUI NG PRESSURE BY THE DOGS,17 AND I NFLUX OF HUNTERS WAS I NDI CATI VE TO18 I LLEGAL ACTI VI TY TAKI NG PLACE. AT ONE19 POI NT I HEARD DOGS RUNNI NG AND SEVERAL

20 RI FLE SHOTS I N CLOSE PROXI MI TY TO MY21 POSI TI ON. I LOCATED AND SPOKE WI TH HUNTERS22 THAT HAD TWO VEHI CLES I N THE I MMEDI ATE23 AREA. I N THE ABSENCE OF COMPELLI NG EVI DENT

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000881 TO MAKE A GOOD PROSECUTABLE CASE I N THE2 COURT' S EYES, THE SUBJ ECT WAS NOT CHARGED.3 THE SUBJ ECT WAS A MEMBER OF GARRI SON HALL4 HUNTI NG CLUB, WHI CH I S ADJ ACENT TO MI GO5 HI LL ( PHONETI C) HUNTI NG CLUB. SI MI LAR6 I NSTANCES HAVE OCCURRED I N THE PAST, AND I T7 REAFFI RMS THE PROBLEMATI C SI TUATI ON I N8 ENFORCI NG DOG DEER HUNTI NG BANS. I N MY9 OPI NI ON, THE ENFORCEMENT DETAI L

10 ACCOMPLI SHED I TS MI SSI ON I N RESPECT TO THE11 I MMEDI ATE DETERRENCE OF THE CLI ENT' S12 RELATI ONS. UNFORTUNATELY, I PERCEI VE THAT13 I F I T DOESN' T HAVE A LONG- TERM EFFECT AND14 I S DI MI NI SHED DUE TO THE VI OLATORS'15 KNOWLEDGE OF ENFORCEMENT CRI TERI A. I N VI EW

16 OF CONTI NUI NG COMPLAI NT RATES, A POSSI BLE17 AVENUE OF APPROACH MAY BE TO FURTHER18 DOCUMENT ALL SUSPI CI OUS ACTI VI TY AND19 COMPLAI NTS TO ESTABLI SH AN I NDEX THAT COULD

20 BE FORWARDED TO THE APPROPRI ATE TI MBER21 COMPANY LI AI SON, TAKI NG I NTO ACCOUNT THE22 BYLAWS THAT ARE I NCLUDED I N THE LEASE23 CONTRACT THAT APPEARS TO BE AN AVENUE TO

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000891 APPLY PLEASURE ON THE HUNTI NG CLUBS TO DO2 THE RI GHT THI NG OR RI SK LOSI NG THE3 PROPERTY. I APPRECI ATE YOUR CONCERN AND4 THE MANPOWER YOU' VE PROVI DED FOR THE5 ENFORCEMENT OF THE DOG DEER BAN