captive review dublin report 2016: brexit roundtable discussion
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DUBLIN | BREXIT
Captive Review (CR): What impact would
Brexit have on the captive market in Ire-
land?
Sarah Goddard (SG): It’s fascinating just
how much isn’t known about the impact
Brexit will have. This is genuinely uncharted
territory and there is no previous experi-
ence to indicate what may or may not hap-
pen should the UK referendum decide to
follow the Brexit path. There is, of course,
a very high level outline structure of how
a country may leave the European Union,
including the possible two-year timeline for
exit, though even at such as high level there
are options. Moreover, in trying to assess
the impact of a Brexit on Ireland’s captive
market, one has to make certain assump-
tions.
My first assumption is that the access
to Freedom of Services for all EU member
states will be curtailed for the UK. Although,
there are arguments about whether the UK
will be able to get EEA status alongside that
currently enjoyed by Iceland, Liechten-
stein and Norway, as well as Switzerland’s
single market status. It appears unlikely
that a UK withdrawal from the EU would
positively incline other EU member states
to allow it access in this way. Captives for
which cross-border access is important may
find greater restrictions in the future, and
therefore may decide that a new location
for this business proves more effective.
It remains unclear how individual Euro-
pean member states will or will not be able
to trade with the UK on a bilateral basis
should a Brexit take place. Ireland and the
UK have a very long history, and a impres-
sively strong relationship, so there could be
a good starting point to build on the unique
relationship into the future.
Tim Scanlon (TS): Brexit would potentially
have a significant impact on Irish author-
ised captive insurance companies who use
their authorisation to carry on business in
the UK by insuring UK-based insurance
risks. Depending on the nature of the agree-
ment reached between the UK and the EU
in the event of a Brexit, it may no longer be
possible for those captives to use their Irish
authorisation to carry on business in the
UK. In such circumstances, it may be nec-
essary for those captives to obtain a licence
or authorisation to carry on business from
the UK regulatory authorities or to use the
UK authorised fronting insurer to insure
the risk.
CR: Has the run up to EU referendum
caused instability among the captive
industry?
TS: In our experience the referendum has
not caused instability among the captive
industry or any other parts of the insurance
industry at this time. We have had quite a
number of discussions with financial insti-
tutions on the impact of a Brexit. Some of
those we have spoken to are actively con-
ducting high-level contingency planning.
Our overall sense, however, is that many
financial institutions are conscious that
there will be a two-year transition period
should Brexit transpire, which would allow
them time to formulate a response. Also,
given the range of potential scenarios which
could arise post-Brexit, it is not possible
to plan at this time for a particular out-
come regarding the ultimate relationship
between the UK and the EU.
SG: I haven’t seen any instability about the
referendum with respect to captives specifi-
cally, though I am aware that other sectors of
the international financial services industry
with UK operations have been considering
alternative centres for their businesses in
the event of a pro-Brexit decision.
Tim Scanlon of Matheson and Sarah Goddard of DIMA explore the effect that a potential ‘Brexit’ would have on the captive industry in Ireland
Written byTim Scanlon
Tim Scanlon is head of the Corporate and Commer-cial Department at Matheson and also leads the firm’s Financial Institutions Group. Tim is a highly experi-enced lawyer who has advised on many of the largest transactions which have taken place in Ireland.
BREXIT ROUNDTABLE DISCUSSION
Written bySarah Goddard
Sarah Goddard is the CEO of DIMA (Dublin Inter-national Insurance & Management Association), the representative body for international (re)insurers conducting non-domestic business from Ireland.
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BREXIT | DUBLIN
opportunity to attract staff from UK finan-
cial institutions which may seek to relocate
part of their business to Ireland. These
individuals tend to be highly educated and
experienced professionals who would help
to build Ireland’s reputation as a leading
European jurisdiction in which to locate
financial institutions. Similarly, an increase
in the number of financial institutions set-
ting up in Ireland would also give Ireland an
opportunity to attract talent from other EU
member states who might otherwise have
chosen to reside in the UK.
SG: I don’t think there are any particular
advantages for Ireland from the EU move-
ment laws within the Brexit environment.
Ireland itself has been a country of emigra-
tion, and the Celtic Tiger years saw many
Europeans relocate to Ireland under the
Freedom of Movement provisions. The
recession years resulted in a reversion to
emigration, though this is re-reverting, as
it were.
CR: What key industry trends would be
of most significance following a poten-
tial Brexit to Ireland?
SG: An extraordinary amount is unclear
about the impact of a Brexit and it is nigh
on impossible to identify possible indus-
try trends. It is possible that there would
be an exodus of international financial
services companies from the City of Lon-
don, but there are likely to be much more
fundamental impacts as far as sovereign
issues, trade at the highest levels, eco-
nomic impacts, what happens to people
with UK passports living in other Euro-
pean countries. All in all… there’s a lot at
stake.
TS: The key trend that would be of
most significance following a Brexit is the
increasing nature of regulatory supervision
in the insurance industry. If Ireland is to
encourage UK domiciled financial institu-
tions to relocate some of their business to
Ireland, the Central Bank would have to be
able to demonstrate to those institutions
that it has the resources available to accom-
modate applications for authorisation of
potential new entrants and to ensure ded-
icated and sophisticated supervision. This
will require investment by the Irish State in
the resources that are available to the Cen-
tral Bank of Ireland.
CR: If Brexit occurs, Ireland, and Dublin
in particular, could significantly capital-
ise on the relocation of institutions for EU
related reasons. How could Dublin draw
these institutions in?
SG: We have to bear in mind that the finan-
cial services aspect of the ramifications of a
Brexit vote are a very small part of the overall
picture. There are many potential impacts
which would have a profound influence on
Ireland, not least the possible construction
of a physical border between the Republic
of Ireland and Northern Ireland.
The UK is Ireland’s biggest trading part-
ner, and it is estimated that up to six million
people living in the UK are able to claim
Irish nationality. This also means that both
countries have an ingrained connection and
there is currently a clearly open door for
institutions to visit and examine the options
open to them. The Irish Ambassador to the
UK, Dan Mulhall, has been vocal in com-
municating the Irish government’s support
for the UK to stay within the EU. The IDA is
an Irish government agency which explains
the rationale for international companies to
establish in Ireland, and has many offices
around the world with information for
any companies thinking about moving
their operations.
TS: A vote in favour of Brexit will
undoubtedly impact on the Irish finan-
cial services industry. Whether it leads to
increased or reduced activity levels over
the medium to long-term is very difficult
to assess at this point. That being said,
we believe there may well be increased
demand from UK-based financial insti-
tutions for engagement with the Central
Bank of Ireland on the issues arising from
Brexit both with respect to on-going
business and potentially moving author-
ised activities from the UK to Ireland.
We believe that positive and constructive
engagement from the Central Bank in rela-
tion to the issues that arise would be very
positively received by those financial insti-
tutions.
CR: The hostility towards immigration
from the EU is a key factor in the reason
for the EU referendum, how can Ireland
take advantage of the movement laws
should Brexit transpire?
TS: To the extent that there is an increase in
the number of financial institutions seek-
ing to establish operations in Ireland as a
result of a Brexit, this may give Ireland the
“We have to bear in mind that the financial
services aspect of the ramifications of a Brexit vote are a very
small part of the overall picture”
Sarah Goddard