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After reading yeur letter of Dae. 4, I af greatly surprised by the lack ofunderstandbg yeu people ebeu after reading all of =y varleus letters. Cbviouslyue do not achieve understanding in our co .'111eaticns. 7:is =skes everythi g =cre.

I ca:n,tdiffleult. Svever,in your letter there ce inaccuracies and areas vhersageo with your reply.

Tirst, I vc-ald thin on any matter vhare Raeles: Safety asy be invelied thst anin depth investigstion vould be =ade. Svever, I vould ac r tbst it coald et-srtwith only one er t.o areas,1at, if 30:e depoe of substt tiaties develeped, thenand as =en substa.stistienthe invest!gstion vould be deeper and more extensivedeveloped, in depth i=vestigstion vould reduany evolve.

fo frtbr illustrate this point we can use the fone. ring:

ille:-t eet Tig velded Zi;:-er fitti .gs when they vero not certified. Seky ssidthin ICO. Thaa crall qus:tity. As I ree ll,it was either very near ICO,er norequestion then is, vhst is ::all? Tev this is an illustratica er what happe:ed

6 veldors were able to psss only 11. crut of a total regaire=ent of 43 if theywhe:were to veld an all jobs as they esse along. Kev, de I hsve te ten the .C.C bovI think this is your .*ob to=any =ers tiaes this was reposted? I don't thf u se, I d es' t knewfind out hev =.sny .-ero times it occurred. I k ,ev that it occurre-3.hov .any times.11.1 er abeve is in referer.ca to your eseer.1 p.t agaph ar.d to iten8 in your letter.

areas of co E c.:?liIn regsrd to your ites 1, >n Septe= oar 30th I asrked up theenee with 10Cy'.*0. Everyoce of these ite=s is a basic requiresent in any QO pro-I hav e s ele c te d only 7 ite=s ,ga.= and =ust never be vaived under any circu= stance.If these Erd b.aen adhersd to therebut, these are the hee.rt cf any QC preps:2.vould be no proble=.

In rsesed to your ite 2, there was a =f rup is the =sterial. :' ave your pecpleverified the total veights? Needed veight for job agsisst veight of =sterial

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Something happened to the psp-: erk. To wh.t dept'a anden records sheva the=7 velds, I hsve-

ertent has the h'?.C gone to uncever this.fset? In renvet to thethst the Test'sg Processchecked out 2 velding bocks and both specifically stc never id-ntical at

p eduction process have to remain CICIC AL. T.ey were Cn v!.st autherityand theis ky. Tr_i s is v ery e as y to e s t sblis h. Why ha s it no t be a n J o n e ?" ''ey are r.at to W the

identics''o r bac kup , 'de yen have to s ay they nee d ne t be asying in effact is, any oldvy za.ke the test to b-gin with? What you are ans er is that all velds esaa s.c e ,

veld is go<d enough. This is vreng, v ong vren.g. -"hegoc.d veld is a pressure voeselga<A vol ds. A mini =u.sbe pcd velds and shou.ld te isky knevs this, but decided not to disturb theirveld. It is as sisple as thst. vcu.1d load ywu to believe theIncentive setup to do it. Tet their QO ramiop.x sita. 3:ra17 se:4hody at h''.C = cst k=.sv right fre3 vre:., ,

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ETP has not yet ccepletel'. detemined all aspects cf seal crerat:cn..

25. State whether the Project is asseninc that seals in questicnare subject to reacter pressure dur mg :eraticn"

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26. Describe in detail the safety significance of the seals when thereacter is in a cold shutdcv.n ccnditicn.

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27. State what in'o rntion the Project has that the Applicants didnot intend to re, r or replace all seals cc metirg all specifications.

E7P has no infcnnaticn that Applicants nave corrected the prcblen.

2E. If any seals which did not meet specifications have been repaired crreplaced, state why this would not meet the Pro,'ect's particular allegationsregarding the seals.

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i.s ra f a r e nce to ym;r i tes. 3, I a rs in r e pa st that t he t e s t i n g an d pre b e t i on p ro: e s s=ust be IL2CICAL and r e2ain IE.CIC AL. A r e te s t e sn e nly b3 3- f e AM.7 the tan

r e c e iv e s ne c e s s ary and needed training ar.d practire. Se le ngth o f t he ved d bacentinpnt on t u ceed for sese. *r.t-v ar 10 =l eu te s o f tra i31 n r an d pr a c t i c e isec,pletely ridic21eus. This is the length of training and practice that occurred.Ce n n s e nz e vill tell y ou t hs t tr aining, ime lu di g le n gt h ar.d e xS nt i s e nt i. el ycoctbpst en the need. Then as proficiency is att ained , a re te s t veuld be in order.

In referen:e te pur ites 4, W. Spievack vas called in to review cur situst!.nand 'a see if be o.uld set up a training prega.m fe cur velders. I called hin in.3e flatly told me the day be was in, that under ce circumstances veuld he allcvhis school to become associ.ated with isty velders. 3e felt that in the len; runit veuld be injurious to the reputation ef his scheel. Ee asid it is far ecrediffic lt to "untrain" and then " retrain" than just to train. *e said before heleft that he vould write up a report of his findings so that we vould knov vhersve stec 3. Ter your 1.ifer=ation the veldi g as of August 1, IM3 is EIACTLT thesus as it was the day M . Spievack observed it. Esky velders never received thetrtining they need. A pregras to train thes at Northern Iectucky Tecatier.al scheolvss set up. Only one -= of the 20 plus vbo signed up, cenyleted the pregaa. Thiswas ?.. Pratt an Industrial Ingineer. Tunty Flus signed up, Chly 11 sheved up forthe first sessien, 5 or 6 for the seeemi, 3 or 4 for the third, 2 fer the nort 2sessions, then enly R. Pratt. This was the only ge=uine atta=pt at training. Sis:o

shertly after M . .?pierack:s visit R., Pratt and =7self would go out peric41cally inshipping and leok at velds. Ve did this to see if there was any ceticeable chinp.Sc:e days the s ve e =cre, some days less, but alveys ve cocid find ylesty of bsdvelds. In hrch of this year ve f ound se:e cf the vor,rt velds ve ever saw en so eal " c2 Cectray. It was so bad I hrcught F. Psnta out to skv him. 5s was u tis--

pr e s s ed c.:-d enc o cc erned. Ms later told me , "they vers voiced a long time ago. " Icheck:i, a:A it vas-3 days ago hedless to say, it was shipp^d as is. It didn'tcoce Esch, so by yecr definition it was good Velds!

In reference to your ites 5, the CNLT var to ever inov if you cas rea.,enablyervet a g*c4 veld is to find cut if ths velder Ess the capability thru a tent.A cW.ime his ability is uncer question be is retested. Incidentally, I noticedthat this same situation es.=e up at Zis=er in as 20 inspectio reyert, n.isi:Telved 2 velders frc= Teung & Bertke who vere in.stalliny. air handling equip ent.Gla.dstene Lsberatory was called and they es.>e out IM".I.DI.A*ILT and retested t.Sse2 re n. Se , se 3e 20 people do tv)t share your viev. I a= extremely curious as towhy you refuse t,3 retesc the .tsky veldors. I feel this is artre:ely criticaland pr=.s:s to the entire veld situatio . Instead, for an ansver, I get "a Visvv e d e no t s hare . " .bige=ents should be based on facts,not " views."

In refe esce te yeur ite= 6, " Veld Testisg" Tha first " testing" was visualandar.d ev e ything locked rosy, per M . Tester. TVs a te s t or te s ts vas ma de

a decisio: vss ade that they are goc 4. This is hog vash, it simply can't be.C tre Leuisville Css & E ectric job (M: . Tester has a eery of the - M)afull t s il e r lesd o,f . trays and fitt brs wer e r e tur n- d . lookin g a t it 2 ik e you d e,it was:'t had. C 17 40% of the velds broke. Tally 60% of the velds were goed. Se,a'l va chcu.ld have deze vas to ebeck or test s~_e of the eC5 velds. nese veuld

"thegec4 by yecr test' and we eculd then have told Lo:isville Cas & Iloetric,bevelds ars go.c4, ve tested thes to E0 acecytance standaris." rou are deing ersetly

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In r e gard t.o ymr iten . 7, you ar e v e ry sis take n. A ft e r M , Sp ! -v a r k r.a d e hisreport I verked pretty hard for a long time to lesrn bev te visuslly identLfyvelding defecte with a high degree of aceracy. "c.ev er, wh-n e.b M:t al v octhi gis done to train the Insreters, then whatever quality there is in a weld isleft up enti. ely to the velder. fis pri=sry concern 13 quantity for 1.neonti e,he could care less for quality. Irdirectly, you are saying this is CT M: fo nald shas higher sta.Mards for their &2burgar palaces than you erpres s for Raslear vark.

In regard to ycur iten 10, he o agsin yea are in error. Mit k'*1 ding with a bandis per issable and is what should have been done. Ins t.ad , a Hi g Spe t , hal f onand bal.f off the joined ite=s was us>f. The specifications clearly prohibitsa spot veld. 'ihst they get was only i of a epot ve'_d. Nsky had no procedurefo alu=i=u a bronse velding a.nd no veldora certified in its us e, so they nsdehalf spots. 2 &nday evenlog Cetober 16, 1978 M . Te s ter c alle d no and re portMon the status of the Clisten investigative activities. 5 ssid the velding ofthe fittings was in non-co:pliance essentially as I repcrted. N also reporte1problar.s nneevered on the et.raights. In later repcrts be repeated =ost cf thisplus added information. & once told es thst none of this na'arisl could beinstalled in the contal:=:ent area. On Dece=ber 5,1973, (one d.sy later t. tanyour letter) essentially the sana. New I read your iten 10 and it cour.ds 3 * kethirqs at Clinton are not ao bad. If yen vill resi tr.,; first paragaph of nyletter of Cetober 19, .1975 to Mr. 7oster confirsing abcTe and tut I censidere.1=y involvenant in Clinton at a close. Why is this oev recpen*47

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jobs it bec.s. , a pattern of operating non-complisnee. 'n'se n a man is M 11 e 1vith 5 bullets, what difference dees it -aa whether bullet No. 3 or buJletNo. 4 killed hi:37 & is still dead!

Teur greup is respensible for IM?ECTICK AND IXTO?.::SVH" ar.d ncv you say youwant the Utilities and the Engineering Cce::panies to ce=pleto yen verk Theflav here is yn don't rer.117 knov vhat to tell than to ec=plete. This seer _sto me nearly incredible!

If pstience is a virtue, then I as beg'--4 g to feel virtnaus.

I sincerely bey Sis letter accenplishes e.1.ittle better c:xf orst Wing.

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I he;e' y certify that ccpies of the Ans.mrs to the Nucler ? gala: cry Cmssicn'sc

Interrcga: cries, Cbjecticns to Certain of the Nuclear Regulatory Car.ission's Interrcga:^r:es..inwrs ic Acclicants' Irie: ccatorW, 2-d Rjectin"s to Certain of ApplicantaInte"rcga: cries have ten sent ic the folicwing parties h3 crdinar. U.S. rail cr the

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Srles Bechhoefer, Esq. Stephen l' Sc h in' .1, Esq.Cha1=an Atcric Safety Ccunsel fcr the STr Staffand Licensing Ecrd Office of the ExecutiveUS Nuclear Regula:cr/ Ca r.issicn T_ Leal DirectorWashingicn, D.C. 20555 US Nuclear ?4culatore Car.issicn

Washing cn, D.C. 2C555Dr. Frank F. Focper, 5! enterAtanic Safety and Licensing Ecard Willir. J. .\teran, ".cq .

Schcol of Natural Rescurces General CounselUniversity of ',iichigan Cincinnati Gas and Electric CmpanyAnn Arter, hiichigan 48109 Post Of fice Ecx 930

Cincinnati, Chio 45201

..!r , Glenn C. Bright, 5!mber'

Atr.ic Safety and Licensing ?crd Prk J. We :erhahn, Esc.~

US Nuclear Regula:cr/ Ca r.ission Counsel for Cincinnati Gas and ElectricWashing cn, D.C. 20555 Co pany

Ccnners, 5!ccre & Corber

Richrd S. Sal =an, Esq. Suite 1050Chai=an, Atanic Safety and 1747 Pennsylvania AvenueLicensing Appeal Bord Washing cn, D.C. 200CGUS Nuclear ?,egulatcry CarlssionWashington, D.C. 20555 lir. Chase R. Stephens

Ibcketing and Service Secticn

Dr. Lawrence R. Qaarles Office of the Secretary

Atanic Safety and Licensire US Nucler Regulator / Car.issicn

Appeal Board Washington, D.C. 2C555US Nuclear Regula:cr/ CarlssicnWashington, D.C. 20555 William Peter Heile, Esq

Assistant City Solicircr

5fichael C. Farrr, Esq City of Cincinnati

Atanic Safet'/ and Licensing Box 214Appeal Ecard Cincinnati. Chio 452C.2US Nuclear Regulatcry Car.issicnWashrg:cn, D.C. 20555 Jchn D. Wcliver, Esq

Clermnt Ccunt, Ca runity CcuncilChair 2n, Atanc Safety and Licensing Scrd Ecx 181F1nel Eatavia, Chic 45103

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