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SUBJECTS OSWALD LEE ACTIVITIES OF NOVEMBER 22-24 1963

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November 22 1963 7:OG a.m:'(cont.)

Oswald leaves his wedding ring at Mrs Paine's residence where

Marina finds it after the police come in the afternoon (23:477)Marina says that this is the first time that he has ever left it

(1:72,73 2:18,315 22:764 23:399 contra 24:230) (7:180 Does

Oswald give his USMC emblem ring to Detective Sims?)

z Oswald leaves Mrs Paine's residence at 7:00 a.m. which is earlier0-o than usual (Time Feb 14 1964:19)

pc. (Recall that Oswald is seen at Hutch's Grocery .8 mile from Mrs

t i o Paine's on several mornings at 7:00 a.m [10:329 26:178])

LQyOa , Marina says that Oswald has a small package with his lunch sack when

zy o he leaves Mrs Michael Paine's residence (1:73)

scAt Clay Shaw's trial Marina says that she does not see Oswald

` leave (New Orleans Times Picayune 2/22/69)._.try.

On 11/30 Marina says that she does not know of anything that Oswaldtakes with him She does not recognize the bag found on the 6thfloor of the TSBD (22:751)

On 11/23 Oswald denies that he takes a package to work on 11/22.(24:1

7:10 a.m Mrs Randle sees LHO with 2 or over package wrapped in brown

paper some weight to it She watches him put it in Frazier's carLHO comes to window waves Frazier leaves (SS interview 11/28)(CD87:SS175:2)

7:10 am to 7:15 a.m Mrs Randle Wesley Frazier's sister with whomFrazier lives sees Oswald approach the Randle residence in a lightbrown or tan shirt (24:223) Oswald is carrying a long packageOn 12/1 Mrs Randle says it is about 27 long (24:408) On 11/22Mrs Randle says it approximately 3 x 6 (CD5:320) No jacket?!!

7:20 a.m Wesley Frazier sees Oswald look in the Randle's kitchenwindow (24:408)

7:20 a.m Marina sees no signs of Oswald having breakfast in Mrs Paine'skitchen (22:747 23:412)

Oswald puts package on the back seat of Frazier's car andFrazierindicates that the package is about 2 long (24:209 26:385) On 12/1Frazier indicates that the package is about 27 long (24:409) Oswaldcalls this package 'curtain rods. (26:385 CD5:316-317) Frazier

says 'sack is like one coming from 5 & 100 store (FBI Report,CD1:5)(CD5:317)Frazier and Mrs Randle testify that the package is about 28 long(26:385 Washington Post 12/1/63:E-4)

Michael Paine estimates length of blanket bundle in garage as 37(2:415) 37-1/2 (9:438) Thinks rifle in one piece (9:446)

Pictures of the bag and rifle with a tape measure are in (22:480)FBI Lab Frazier testifies rifle is 40.2 overall and breaks downinto 34.8 and 28.9 components (3:395)

7:25 a.m Frazier and Oswald leave the Randle residence in Frazier's1954 black 4-door Chevrolet sedan 1963 Tex License VK 3926 (24:223293,408)Oswald does not bring his lunch and tells Frazier that he is going tobuy it (24:209)On 11/23 Oswald said his lunch was only package he brought to workon 11/22 (24:482)

(Oswald's activities 11/22/63 12:01 a.muntil 12:30 p.m Narrative 361-369)

(All others activites 11/22/63 12:01 a.m until 12:30 p.m N 424-434)(Evidence N 435)

November 22 1963 (Friday) Oswald spends the night of November 21/22 atMrs Michael Paine's residence in Irving (24:209,695)

On 11/22 Marina says that Oswald leaves before she or Mrs Paine areawake (23:383)

On 11/22 Mrs Michael Paine says that she is asleep when Oswaldleaves (24:221)

On 11/22 Marina says that Oswald is gone when she gets up (24:219)

On 11/28 Marina says alarm goes off at 6:40 LHO gets up at 7:00 Marinadoes not get up talked to LHO "Good-bye, etc (CD 344:26)

On 11/30 Marina says that the alarm at 6:40 a.m awakens her but notOswald She nurses the baby and awakens Oswald at 7:00 a.m(22:.747 23:412) On 9/11/64 Marina says she does not get up when

LHO does nor does she fix his breakfasts (CD 1546:237)

Mrs. Michael Paine says that Marina is nursing the baby when Oswald

gets up at 6:30 a.m (Redbook July 1964:88)

At Clay Shaw's trial Marina testifies that "I was awake but I didnot get up because he told me to stay in bed. (New Orleans States

Item 2/21/69)

November 22 1963 7:00 a.m

Marina to FBI 9/5/64 (CD 1546:221-225 229-231)a LHO prepares no document similar to one at time of General

Walker's shootingb LHO's unusual actions (but only in retrospect)

Leaving wedding ring(2) Telling Marina to buy needed articles for herself and

children

Visiting on Thursday night and not Fridayc LHO never intended to kill President Eisenhowerd Warren Commission asks FBI to ensure that no property of the

Oswald as of 11/22/63 the existence of which is unknown tothe Warren Commission still remains in the possession ofMarina Robert Oswald Michael or Ruth Paine or any other person_

e On 9/11/64 Marina is asked for all such property exceptclothing and correspondence from USSR since 11/22/63 Theitems produced

4 books in Russian for the study of English1 Russian-Polish dictionary1 Registration card at Richmond Freeman Memorial Clinic

for June Oswald1 Appointment slip for June Oswald at Freeman 11/21/631 Appointment slip for Marina at Dallas County Health Dept.11/201 Russian nametag for June Oswald at birth1 Photo of Mr/Mrs Alexander Zieger,Eleanor Zieger,3 Oswalds1 Photo of Eleanor Zieger & Anatole Kholodov Minsk 5/62

f Marina received no correspondence from Russia after 11/22/63other than that furnished FBI

Narrative 361

Evidence N.435

Oswald's activities 11/22/63 12:01 a.m until 12:30 p.m N 361-369

All others activities 11/22/63 12:01 a.m until 12:30 p.m N 424-434

November 22 1963 (Friday) Oswald spends the night of Nov 21/22 atMrs Michael Paine's residence in Irving (24:209,695)

On 11/22 Marina says that Oswald leaves before she or Mrs Paineawake (23:383)

On 11/22 Mrs Michael Paine says that she is asleep when Oswaldleaves (24:221)

On 11/22 Marina says that Oswald is gone when she gets up (24:219)

On 11/28 Marina says alarm goes off at 6:40 LHO gets up at 7 Marinadoes not get up talked to LHO "Goodbye etc (CD 344 26)

On 11/30 Marina says that the alarm at 6:40 a.m awakens her but notOswald She nurses the baby and awakens Oswald at 7:00 a.m (22:74723:412) On 9/11/64 Marina says she does not get up when LHO does nordoes she fix his breakfast (CD.1546:237)

Mrs Michael Paine says that Marina is nursing the baby when Oswald

gets up at 6:30 a.m (Redbook July 1964:88)

')At Shaw's trial Marina testifies that "I was awake but I did not getup because he told me to.stay in bed. (NOSI 2/21/69)

November 22 1963 7:00 a.m

Marina to FBI 9/5/64 (CD 1546:221-225 229-231)a LHO prepares no document similar to one at time of GeneralWalker's shootingb LHO's unusual actions (but only in retrospect)

Leaving wedding ringTelling Marina to buy needed articles for herself and children

Visiting on Thursday night and not Fridayc LHO never intended to kill President Eisenhowerd Warren Commission asks FBI to ensure that no property of the

Oswalds as of 11/22/63 the existence of which is unknown to theWarren Commission still remains in the possession of MarinaRobert Oswald Michael or Ruth Paine or any other person

e On 9/11/64 Marina is asked for all such property except clothingand correspondence from USSR since 11/22/63 The items

produced4 books in Russian for the study of English.1 Russian-Polish dictionary1 Registration card at Richmond Freeman Memorial Clinic

for June Oswald1 Appointment slip for June Oswald at Freeman 11/21/631 Appointment slip for Marina at Dallas County Health

Department 11/20/631 Russian name tag for June Oswald at birth1 Photo of Mr and Mrs Alexander Zieger Eleanor

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1 Photo of Eleanor Zieger and Anatole Kholodiv Minsk 5/62

f Marina received no correspondence from Russia after 11/22/63

other than that furnished FBI

Oswald leaves his wedding ring at Mrs Paine's residence where Marina

finds it after the police come in the afternoon (23:477)

Marina says that this is the first time that he has ever leftit (1:72,73

2:18,315 22:764 23:399 contra 24:230) (7:180 Does Oswald give his

USMC emblem ring to Det Sims?)

Oswald leaves Mrs Paine's residence at 7:00 a.m. which is earlier

than usual (Time 2/14/64:19)

Recall that Oswald is seen at Hutch's Grocery .8 mile from Mrs Paine's

on several mornings at 7:00 a.m (10:329 26:178)

Marina says .that Oswald has a small package with his lunch sack when he

leaves Mrs Michael Paine's residence (1:73)

At Shaw's trial Marina says she does not see Oswald leave (NOTP 2/22/69)

On 11/30 Marina says that she does not know of anything that Oswald takeswith him She does not recognize the bag found on the 6th floorof the TSBD (22:751)

On 11/23 Oswald denies that he takes a package to work on 11/22 (24:18)

At 7:10 Mrs Randle sees LHO with 2 or over package wrapped in brown

paper some weight to it She watches him put it in Frazier's carLHO comes to window waves Frazier leaves (SS interview 11/28)(CD 87:SS175:2)

At 7:10 a.m to 7:15 a.m Mrs Randle Wesley Frazier's sister with whomFrazier lives sees Oswald approach the Randle residence in a lightbrown or tan shirt (24:223) Oswald is carrying a long packageOn 12/1 Mrs Randle says it is about 27 long (24:408) On 11/22Mrs Randle says it approximately 3 x 6 (CD5:320) No jacket?!

At 7:20 a.m Wesley Frazier sees Oswald look in the Randle's kitchenwindow (24:408)

At 7:20 a.m Marina sees no signs of Oswald having breakfast in MrsPaine's kitchen (22:747 23:412)

Oswald puts package on the back seat of Frazier's car and FrazierIndicates that the package is about 2 long (24:209 26:385)On 12/1 Frazier indicates that the package is about 27 long (24:409)Oswald calls this package 'curtain rods. (26:385) (CD5:316-317)Frazier says 'sack is like one coming from 5 and 10 store (FBIReport CD1:5 CD5:317) Frazier and Mrs Randle testify that the

package is about 28 long (26:385 WP 12/1/63:E-4) Michael Paineestimates length of blanket bundle in garage as 37 (2:415) 37-1/2(9:438) Thinks rifle in one piece (9:446)

Pictures of the bag and the rifle with a tape measure are in 22:480

FBI Lab Frazier testifies rifle is 40.2 overall and breaks down

into 34.8 and 28.9 components (3:395)

At 7:25 a.m Frazier and Oswald leave the Randle residence in Frazier's1954 black 4-door Chevrolet sedan 1963 Texas Licence VK 3926

(24:223 293 408)

Oswald does not bring his lunch and tells Frazier that he is goingto buy it (24:209)

On 11/23 Oswald said his lunch was only package he brought to workon 11/22 (24:482)

On 11/22 Oswald tells Captain Fritz that he ate a cheese sandwich and

an apple which he brought as a lunch from Mrs Paine's house (24:19)

Oswald tells Frazier that he will not be riding tosIrving with Frazier

this afternoon (26:385 WP 12/1/63:E-4 24:409)

Arrive at Depository at 7:55 (CD5:317)

After leaving the car in the parking lot Oswald carries the package in

his right hand with the other end in his armpit (24:409 CD897:23,24)

On 11/22/63 Marina says that Oswald did not return to Irving this day(23:384)

November 22 1963 Friday 8:00 a.m

On 11/23 TSBD Superintendent Truly says that the depository itself has19 employees with Oswald being a temporary employee (24:227)

The payroll record which is also the attendance record at the TSBD isinaccurate

Oswald is listed as 'Leslie Oswald (23:751)Oswald is credited for 8 hours work every day including 11/22(23:751Frankie Kaiser a TSBD employee who lives in a trailer court at

5230 W Ledbetter Redbird Trailer Park (a good one) (Tippit'sDistrict?) is absent from the TSBD on Thursday and Friday with atooth ache (At the time bf the assassination he is at the BaylorDental School) (6:342)

The TSBD records show that Kaiser is working 8 hours both of these

days (23:751) (25:602)TSBD superintendent says that Kaiser was not working either dayKaiser is an order clerk and truck driver He finds Oswald's jacketon the first floor and his clipboard on the sixth floor several

days after the assassination (Kaiser finds the clipboard on 12/2.)(26:824,825 has pictures of the clipboard.) (3:234 6:334,343,34516:958 20:334,335 23:816 24:1)

FBI Lab examined jacket per DPD request of 12/21/63 Q-350 Nothing re

laundry marks (CD 321:52,53) No textile fibers from rifle can beassociated with this jacket Hair from LHO's head similar to hair

found but limb (arm) hair fragments don't have enough characteristics(CD329:52)

At 8:00 a.m Jack Dougherty a TSBD employee who is on the 5th and/or 6thfloor at 12:30 p.m. sees Oswald enter the building without a package(6:376 CD206:11) Dougherty starts at 7:00 a.m (CD5:366)

At 8:00 a.m Oswald enters the TSBD and places his blue jacket on the sillof the easternmost window on the north wall of the first floor dominoroom Frankie Kaiser finds it here several days later.(6:345 16:95820:334)

On 12/19 Marina recognizes this jacket as Oswald's blue one (23:475)

At 8:00 a.m superintendent Truly sees Oswald in the building (22:677)

About 8:00 Danny Arce sees Oswald on first floor TSBD_ (CD205:7)

Between 8:05 a.m and 9:00 a.m James (Junior) Jarman a checker onthe first floor sees Oswald on the first floor Jarman is acolored employee (3:200 24:213)

On 11/24 Jarman says he sees LHO on the 1st floor at 8:15 a.m(CD 5:334)

At 8:30 a.m Wesley Frazier sees Oswald working in the TSBD (24:209)

November 22 1963 Friday 9:00 a.m

Between 9:30 a.m and 10:00 a.m Oswald asks James (Junior) Jarmanabout the Presidential motorcade route (3:200 24:213 CD 5:334)

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(6) Charles D Givens Negro lists no names (22i:210)This man has been convicted under a narcotics charge 37 6 3 165 # DallasSheriff Department # 37952 (17:419)James ( Junior ) Jarman Negro

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November 22 1963 Friday 10:00 A.M

At 10:00 a.m Eddie Piper comes to work at his usual starting time at the TSBD (26:522+)Piper sees Oswald on the first floor Oswald describes Piper as a little short negro(6:383) 4.nio /,//2.z (o za4

At 10:00 a.m Oswald is filling orders for books to be shipped ( Life 2/21/64)

TSBD employee Billy Lovelady white says that Oswald asks him the location of certainbooks on the 6th floor (22 662) 4.e ,. 4 e", /'-V.-s.7 CCO5 33.2

At 10:15 a.m Harold ( Hank ) Norman a Negro sees Oswald looking out of the Elm Streetwindows on the first floor (3:188) io:a%:Jv .Z'-." .o L/Y29 (2-:1)-5291-/t...9These windows have a decorative screen of pierced concrete panels and the view is restricted

During the morning Bonnie Ray Williams says that many employees are planning on watching the Presidential Motorcade from the 6th floor (3:169)

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November 22 1963 Friday 11:00 A.M

At 11:00 a.m Wesley Frazier sees Oswald on the first floor (22 :209),bw,44a;rt,.Y"c..2,p3-. 3/ $

//.".ro.t~.-. /,zt-,e..lr1ez..,e-ece O /auu0z.e-aa.i.0, (CZ 20.5:*At 11:00 a.m Jack E Dougherty sees Oswald on the 6th floor getting books 377)(Co i-.?L0

,.ty A .n,~`.e.44.1.-oAt 11;30 a.m Oswald eats lunch with Negro TSBD employees Eddie Piper and James ( Junior)Jarman on the first floor (21.:267,2+82) Cf ses` b-e-7d,v~a.E f .irrh.L'~c G~s~tC~a'i+.11ll."s~~rm.~,.~.~ a~S.~.G~f.4~ " tee 2 z

.0n 11/22 Oswald tells Captain Fritz that he eats lunch with 'Junior and some other employeeon the second floor at the time of the assassination (12:30 p.m.) (4:224,231)(z.

'Oswald tells Captain Fritz that he eats his lunch in the lunchroom on the second floorand possibly 'Junior and a short Negro TSBD employee walk through the lunchroom whileOswald is there Oswald has a cheese sandwich and an apple m lunch which he brought

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from Mrs Michael Paine's Irving residence (21+:19)

Oswald tells Captain Fritz according to FBI agent Hosty that he eats lunch on thefirst floor and is still there at 12:30 p.m (17:786)

Recall that the TSBD lunch period is from 12:00 noon until 12:45 p.m (3:214 22:16224:872 25:601 DFP 12/7/63:A-2)

At 11:45 a.m James ( Junior ) Jarman a Negro says that all the workers on the 6th

floor including himself leave and are out on the street by noon (24:213)

Between 11:30 a.m and 12:00 noon James ( Junior ) Jarman a Negro sees Oswald getwonan elevator on the first floor to go and get some boxes (24 213)70 ,,acs

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At 11:45 a.m Bill Shelley a white supervisor does not see Oswald on the 6th floor

(24:206).,0 11 '.sec L.fi/O't s..e-// "1'T f (CDC737)('/?)

Between 11:30 a.m and 11:50 a.m Billy Lovelady (white) says that he Bill Shelley(white)Jack Dougherty (white) Danny Arce (Mexican) Charles Givens ( Negro) leave the 6th floorto see the President (6:337 24:214)

Between 11:40 a.m and 11:45 a.m Bonnie Ray Williams (Negro) sees Oswald on the eastside of the 6th floor (22

At 11:50 a.m Bill Shelley a white supervisor sees`Oswald on the first floor near a

telephone (7:390 22:673)

At 11:50 a.m Billy Lovelady (white) says that he and Bonnie Ray Williams go down on thewest automatic elevator from the 6th floor and Oswald is standing by the east non-automatic elevator on the 6th floor (6.337)(//3-/i"so7.,f1~;G/..4-e-tj-u7.o).c~

.G y4-fro 44,7 2 ~ Cenh fr z .. -42--.7e~ 0.53327At 11 a.m Bonnie Ray Williams (Negro) says that he and Charles D Givens a NegroTSBD employee who is a narcotics ex-convict go down from the 6th floor on the eastnon-automatic elevator (3:168)S//:5 2D 33)"/ ~i~ Lll~llw:~ Aho 5At 11:30 a.m Charles Givens says he went downstairs to the bathroom (11/22 -24:210)(C.0/c )At 11:45 a.m Charles D Givens a Negro TSBD employee who is a narcotics ex-convict

Ni says that he Bonnie Ray Williams (Negro) Danny Arce ( Mexican) and Billy Lovelady(white) are on an elevator going down from the 6th floor when they pass Oswald on the5th floor (6:349)

Between 11:40 a.m and 11:50 a.m Danny Arce (Mexican) sees Oswald on the 5th floor(24:199) (cDzos

At 11:55 a.m Danny Arce ( Mexican) says that he Bonnie Ray Williams (Negro) and BillyLovelady (white) race down on the east non-automatic elevator Arce thinks thatOswald is on the 5th floor (6:364)

Shortly before noon Jack E Dougherty (white) sees Oswald on the 6th floor (24:206)

At 11:55 R.m Charles D Givens (Negro ex-convict) takes the east non-automatic elevatorto the 6th floor to get his cigar ettes.(,,Gy(` '/e.0 &/i"tts4.q,1 'cNo ~. SEes..Givens sees Oswald on the 6th floor walking northward (toward the wall that the elevators adjoin) 30 40 north of the building's south wall ( along Elm Street) and 10west of the building's east wall ( along Houston Street) with a clipboard in his hand

CD296:3 (Insp Holmes report of 11/24/63 Oswald interview) At lunchtime

colored fellow invited Oswald to go with him Oswald said "You go on

down and just send the elevator back up and I'll join you in a few

minutes.

CD5:329 Givens on 11/22 says the exchange re elevators is at 11:30)

Givens asks Oswald if he is going to lunch Oswald says "No Close the

gate on the west (automatic) elevator, or "Not now Just send theelevator back up. When Givens returns to the first floor on the

east non-automatic elevator the west automatic elevator is not there

(6:349,351 24:491 WP 12/1/63:E-4 FBI Report CD1:6)

Bill Shelley says Rolling Reader boxes used to conceal Oswald's positionwere 1/2 building width away from their correct position (7:391)

At 11:50 a.m Bonnie Ray Williams (negro) says that he gets a Dr Pepperand takes the east non-automatic elevator to the 6th floor where hesits down by the 3rd set of two windows on the south building wall (Elm)counting''from the east building wall (Houston) Williams ate some

.chicken and drinks the Dr Pepper 1/8/64 Williams says he eats onthe 6th goes to 5th at 12:05 (CD 329:13) As no one else comes upand it is so quiet Williams puts the empty bottle down by a cart and

goes down to the fifth floor where he finds Harold (Hank) Norman (Negro)and James (Junior) Jarman (3:171,172,173) Check CE 2003 (Meagher:40)Williams goes to 6th floor stays 3 minutes goes down stairs to 5thhear 2 shots overhead (CD5:330)

Check on the location of chicken bone fragments and 'lunch sack(s) onthe boxes surrounding Oswald's hiding place as it might indicate howclose Williams comes to Oswald (Meagher:39,40)

November 22 1963 Friday 12:00 Noon

At 12:00 noon Eddie Piper sees Oswald on the first floor (6:383)DPD Statement 2/18/64=Piper tells LHO he is going to eat sandwich andOswald mumbles something that he is going up to eat (TAG 1:467)

At 12:00 noon Charles D Givens a Negro ex-convict goes to visit afriend at a parking lot at Elm and Record (24:210 CD 1069(c):11)This is the 100 block of North Record ("Friend Edward Shields says601 Main James Lacy = friend (See N.385)

On 11/21 Jack Ruby had visited the AAA Bonding Service 106 N Recordaround noon Re Phil Hodges bonds 607 Main Best Cafe 601 Commerce(1962 City Directory) (25:190,215,321,322)

A list of Dallas gamblers on April 2 196 includes"17 Smith and Stovall 106 S Record bail bondsman"(23:166)

On 1/8/64 Jarman says he Norman and Williams eat lunch on 1st flooraround noon 12:25 take west elevator to 5th floor Hear shots andgo downtown (CD 329:12) On 1/8/64 Norman says Jarman and he eatlunch on 1st floor go outside Go to 5th on west elevator and Williams

joins them (CD 329:14)

Between 12:10 p.m and 12:25 p.m James (Junior) Jarman and Harold (Hank)Norman take the west automatic elevator to the 5th floor.(3:210 24:229)

They see the east non-automatic elevator at the 6th floor (3:190)

(12:10/12:25 would indicate Williams came down at 12:15 p.m.??)

Bonnie Ray Williams (Negro) says that James (Junior) Jarman and Harold (Hank

Norman have already reached the 5th floor on the west automatic

elevator when he comes down from the 6th floor on the east non-automatic

elevator (3:172) At 12:05 (CD329:13)

12:10 p.m (CST) = 10:10 a.m (PST) (CD 1107:82,83)Two experiences (6 years) telephone operators on a toll call line

servicing 12,000 phones in Oxnard California reportVoice of middle-aged womanAt 10:07/10:08 a.m. "The President is going to die at 10:10

(12:10 CST)This said so rapidly that it might have been read "The Justice

the Supreme Court there is going to be a fire in all the windowsthe Government is going up in flames

Named 12 courts in order of importance starting with the SupremeCourt to Probate Court and Juvenile Court

"The President is going to die at 10:30. (12:30 CST)Courts again mentioned"The Government takes over everything lock stock and barrel.

(8).One of the operators heard "thermostat rheostat heostat.

(9) Lasted 10-15 minutes Operators switched to other calls Thiscaller was never connected to anyone else At one time when

operator offered help the voice said "Please get off the lineI'm using the phone. (This was a party line.)

(Legacy of Doubt:234 says Bobby Kennedy very curious aboutcall and investigated Oxnard 5/2.8/68) Call from Oxnard

Camarillo area 50 miles north of Los Angeles

At 12:10 p.m TSBD president Cason leaves the building to go home.(22:640)

12:15 p.m.(-) Mrs R E (Carolyn) Arnold tells FBI on 11/26/63 thatOswald was in hallway between front door and double doors a few minutesbefore 12:15 (CD5:41 Archives Meagher:225)

On 11/22 Jack E Dougherty says that he works on the 6th floor until noonand then goes to the first floor to eat his lunch At 12:45 p.mDougherty goes back to work and is on the 5th floor getting some stockwhen he hears a shot (CD5:366 CD206:11)

12:15 LHO is seen on 5th floor (CD 1210:4 Sgt Gerald Hill)

At 12 p.m Jack E Dougherty (white) goes back to work on the 6th floor(This indicates ! that Dougherty calls the west automatic elevatordown from the 5th floor and returns on it to the 6th floor.)

12:15/12:20 Danny Arce assists old man with kidney trouble to men'sroom on west side of 2nd floor of TSBD (6:366,367) Sees himleave in black car Arce describes (on 11/22/63) as real old manin old brown suit and western type hat Arce sees him leave TSBD anddrive off in old black Buick Old man is in TSBD after lunch but not

carrying anything in hands (TAG 1:5)

TSBD superintendent Truly says that the normal lunch period is from12:00 noon until 12:45 p.m. however as Dougherty comes an hourearlier than the other employees in the morning perhaps his lunch

period is different

Jack E Dougherty (white) takes the west automatic elevator on the6th floor and goes to the 5th floor where he is about 10 from theelevator when he hears something that he thinks

is a backfire(b) is a shot overhead (CD206:11 3:228,229 6:379,380

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White male 28 sallow complexion foreign appearance very prominentnose goes to Anderson Studios Cedar Springs and Harwood and asksto make Long Distance collect call to Indiana Leaves without

completing the call Nervous Just as reports of shooting come in(CD5:439( Rel W D Sanders

Geneva Hine only employee in TSBD second floor office says power wentoff and phones went "dead in TSBD as pilot car of motorcadeapproached TSBD (6:395 CD5 3 )

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