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Understanding Time Current Curves and Coordination Studies

Dave Bradley, PE, LEED AP

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In This Elective

• Time Current Curve Basics

• Uses of Time Current Curves

• Coordination Study Basics

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• Better understanding circuit breakers

• Understand what TCCs can be used for, and for what they shouldn’t be used

• Understand general differences between coordination and Selective Coordination

How will this help me next week?

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Where did it all start?

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In the beginning...

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Inverse Time Element

Current Time

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How It Works

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How it Works – Thermal Magnetic

LineConnection

LoadConnection

Electromagnet

Bi-Metallic Strip

Tripping “foot”

Contacts

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How it Works – Solid State

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Time Current Curves

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How to Show a Wide Range on a Small PaperTI

ME

CURRENT

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0

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Logarithmic Time

1,000s

100s

10s

1s

100ms

10ms

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Logarithmic Current

10A 100A 1,000A 100,000A10,000A

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Time Current Curves in the Real World

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Time Current Curves in the Real World

20

14

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Time Current Curves in the Real World

Inrush Currents• 20x for ½ cycle• 4-8x for several seconds

20

14 14

M 10HP

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Time Current Curves in the Real World

Inrush Currents• 20x for ½ cycle• 4-8x for several seconds

20

14 14

M 10HP

30

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Time Current Curves in the Real World

20

Inrush Currents• Worst case: 14x +

14 14

M 10HP

• Average: 5x for a couple of cycles

36

30

30kVA

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Time Current Curves in the Real World

20

Inrush Currents• Worst case: 14x +

14 14

M 10HP

• Average: 5x for a couple of cycles

36

30

30kVA

90

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30

100

250

Time Current Curves in the Real World

20

14 14

M 10HP

36

90

30kVA

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Time Current Curves – Thermal Magnetic

1985 2006

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Time Current Curve Details

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Changes to New TCCs

OLD

NEW

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Molded Case SwitchesMotor Circuit Protectors

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Thermal Magnetic vs Electronic

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Time Current Curves – Electronic

Long Time• Handle Rating• Overloads

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Time Current Curves – Electronic

Long Time Delay• Normal Inrush

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Time Current Curves – Electronic

Short Time• Coordination• Curve Matching

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Time Current Curves – Electronic

Short Time Delay• Coordination• Curve Matching

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Time Current Curves – Electronic

Instantaneous• Faults

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Uses of TCCs

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Time Current Curve Software – EasyTCC

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Time Current Curve Software – SKM

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Coordination Studies

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Uses of TCCs - Coordination

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Selectivity

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Coordination

100

250

800

0.1s

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Selective Coordination

100

260

800

0.01s

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Behavior in the Field

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Uses of TCCs

For application and coordination purposes only. Based on 40°C ambient cold start. Connected with 4 feet of rated wire (75°C) per terminal. Tested in open air with current in all poles.

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Uses of TCCs - Operation and Testing

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Uses of TCCs - Operation and Testing

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40ºC(104ºF)25ºC

NEMA AB-4

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Same Device, Different Settings

The purple time current curve (TCC) reflects how the breaker is set when it leaves the plant

The blue TCC shows one possibility for how the breaker could be set.

This leave a fairly wide range of possible settings

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Effect of Incorrect Settings

Add in the feed to the air conditioner and you can see why the main breaker tripped out

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Summary

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• You know how loads and circuit breakers interact, and how the time current curve shows that

• You understand what TCCs can be used for, and for what they shouldn’t be used

• You can now better address initial questions about breaker performance in the field

• You know the general differences between Coordination and Selective Coordination

Summary

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Questions?