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Page 1: Disclaimer! This presentation is informational in nature only and is NOT at this time endorsed, supported, or under consideration by either Fire Administration

Disclaimer!Disclaimer!• This presentation is informational in This presentation is informational in

nature only and is nature only and is NOTNOT at this time at this time endorsed, supported, or under endorsed, supported, or under consideration by either Fire consideration by either Fire Administration or the VCPFA Board of Administration or the VCPFA Board of Directors- Rather it is a “grassroots” Directors- Rather it is a “grassroots” effort to educate our members on a viable effort to educate our members on a viable alternative to our current work schedule.alternative to our current work schedule.

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IntroductionIntroduction• This PowerPoint presentation was originally

developed to introduce the members of the Beverly Hills Fire Department to the concept of the 48/96 (2on/4off) work schedule and has been slightly modified from it’s original version to account for some of our particular overtime practices and policies. Please view this presentation on a possible alternative work schedule with an open mind and you just might find yourself surprised at the end. Enjoy…..

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VCFDVCFD

Proposal for 48/96 Proposal for 48/96 ScheduleSchedule

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IntroductionIntroduction

• Some of our members have been looking at and discussing the possibility of a 48/96 schedule for several years.

• This issue has never been subject to a union ballot vote, but the demographics of the department and the realities of increased commuting times have changed in the last few years and will continue to change.

• Many of the members have been asking about and discussing the 48/96 in the past couple of years and especially over the last several months.

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Introduction, continuedIntroduction, continued

• The purpose of this presentation is to present the issues relevant to such a change in our working hours.

• Any trial period that we would ever propose to undertake would be ONLY a trial.

• Any Vote on the matter would be a ballot vote by all members, not a hand vote at a meeting

• This is meant to be a fair treatment of the issues and questions and comments are welcome from all.

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What does the 48/96 schedule What does the 48/96 schedule look like?look like?

JanuarySunday Monday Tuesday Wednesday Thursday Friday Saturday

1 2 3 45 6 7 8 9 10 11

12 13 14 15 16 17 1819 20 21 22 23 24 2526 27 28 29 30 31

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How do the schedules compare?How do the schedules compare?VCFD January

Sunday Monday Tuesday Wednesday Thursday Friday Saturday

1 2 3 45 6 7 8 9 10 11

12 13 14 15 16 17 1819 20 21 22 23 24 2526 27 28 29 30 31

48/96 JanuarySunday Monday Tuesday Wednesday Thursday Friday Saturday

1 2 3 45 6 7 8 9 10 11

12 13 14 15 16 17 1819 20 21 22 23 24 2526 27 28 29 30 31

Days Worked C/B Opp'sA-Shift 10 21B-Shift 10 21C-Shift 11 20

Days Worked C/B Opp'sA-Shift 10 21B-Shift 10 21C-Shift 11 20

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How many weekends do you How many weekends do you work?work?

Present Schedule• 18 weekends off per

year• 34 weekend days

worked per year• 0 full weekends

worked per year

48/96 Schedule• 26 weekends off per

year• 34 weekend days

worked per year• 9 full weekends

worked per year

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How many four day off periods How many four day off periods do I get in a 48/96 schedule?do I get in a 48/96 schedule?

Current Schedule• 40 times per year.

• 3 - 4 per month

48/96 Schedule• 60 times per year

• 5 per month

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How many days will I wake up How many days will I wake up at home with my family?at home with my family?

Current Schedule

• 10 days per month

• 120 days per year

48/96 Schedule

• 15 days per month

• 180 days per year

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How much vacation time do I get?How much vacation time do I get?(Figured on 14 Vacation Days Per Year- VCFD max.)(Figured on 14 Vacation Days Per Year- VCFD max.)

Current Schedule• 3 C/L days to make a

segment vacation.• 13 days in a segment

vacation.• 4 complete segment

vacations in a year• 52 days per year in

segment vacations.

48/96 Schedule• 2 C/L days to make a

segment vacation.• 10 days in a segment

vacation.• 7 complete segment

vacations in a year.• 70 days per year in

segment vacations.

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How many days will I have to How many days will I have to commute to or from work?commute to or from work?Current Schedule

• 240 days per year• Using example commute

of 25 miles with 30 minute average travel time:

6000 miles per year

120 travel hours per year.

48/96 Schedule• 120 days per year• Using example

commute of 25 miles with 30 minute average travel time:

3000 miles per year

60 travel hours per year.

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How many overtimes can I How many overtimes can I work without working a 72?work without working a 72?

Current Schedule

• 80 days per year

48/96 Schedule

• 120 days per year

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How many overtimes can I work How many overtimes can I work without working another 48?without working another 48?

Current Schedule

• 40 days per year

48/96 Schedule

• 60 days per year

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How many times could I be How many times could I be mandated into a 72 hr. shift?mandated into a 72 hr. shift?

(Assuming no C/B worked)(Assuming no C/B worked)

Current Schedule

• 80 times per year

48/96 Schedule

• 60 times per year

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Are the shifts hired as 24 hour Are the shifts hired as 24 hour shifts or 48 hour shifts?shifts or 48 hour shifts?

• All overtime shifts could be hired by TeleStaff as 24 hour shifts and treated as such for all hiring purposes.

• Could work both days of a vacancy if you were up for both and did not exceed “maximum hours worked” rules.

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Will this affect my ability to do Will this affect my ability to do Shift Trades ?Shift Trades ?

• Should still be able to do shift trades for the same amount of days under the current MOA

• Could be 24 hour or 48 hour as long as you do not exceed “maximum hours worked” rules.

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How is eligibility for overtime How is eligibility for overtime figured for any one day?figured for any one day?

• Each shift could be eligible to bid for C/B on all of their days off.

• Current “maximum hours worked” restrictions should apply- Usually automatically managed by the TeleStaff program.

• Overtime opportunities will remain the same for each shift.

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Here is an example of the Here is an example of the eligible days for the A-Shift in eligible days for the A-Shift in

a typical montha typical monthJanuary

Sunday Monday Tuesday Wednesday Thursday Friday Saturday

1 2 3 45 6 7 8 9 10 11

12 13 14 15 16 17 1819 20 21 22 23 24 2526 27 28 29 30 31

Yellow boxes are eligible daysYellow boxes are eligible days

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How many Overtime How many Overtime Opportunities Opportunities << 48hrs ? 48hrs ?

VCFD Schedule 48/96 ScheduleA-Shift 122 121

B-Shift 123 122

C-Shift 120 122

Example: Typical Year

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Why should management like the Why should management like the 48/96 schedule?48/96 schedule?

• Better workflow and Continuity as a shift works for two days in a row.

• Easier to schedule training coverage on second day of shift without the complication of holdovers and delay in coverage we currently experience.

• Morale increase in the members creates a happier workforce.

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Why should management like the Why should management like the 48/96 schedule?...continued48/96 schedule?...continued

• Some daily routines do not need to be repeated such as Shift Change, thus increasing productivity.

• Management can show that they are indeed forward-thinking and willing to accept and embrace change.

• More efficient fire inspection program due to less time between initial inspections and follow-up inspections.

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Why should management like the Why should management like the 48/96 schedule?...continued48/96 schedule?...continued

• 50% reduction in employee vehicle mileage to and from work that could benefit the city and gain AQMD benefits.

• Possible incentive to recruit FF/PM laterals that can’t afford or want to relocate to Ventura County

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Comparison of Weekdays WorkedComparison of Weekdays Worked

Amount of weeks where you work one weekday.

  A-Shift B-Shift C-Shift

Current Schedule 22 22 23

48/96 17 18 18

Amount of weeks where you work two weekdays.

  A-Shift B-Shift C-Shift

Current Schedule 23 22 23

48/96 35 34 34

Amount of weeks where you work three weekdays.

  A-Shift B-Shift C-Shift

Current Schedule 7 7 6

48/96 0 0 0

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Will the 48/96 Schedule affect Will the 48/96 Schedule affect normal business day operations?normal business day operations?• There should not be a major impact since

there are less weeks where you would work only one weekday.

• In our current schedule there is an average of 22 weeks where you would work only one weekday.

• In the 48/96 schedule there is an average of 18 weeks where you would work only one weekday.

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Similar occurrences of back to Similar occurrences of back to back weeks where only one back weeks where only one

weekday is worked.weekday is worked.January

Sunday Monday Tuesday Wednesday Thursday Friday Saturday

1 2 3 45 6 7 8 9 10 11

12 13 14 15 16 17 1819 20 21 22 23 24 2526 27 28 29 30 31

JanuarySunday Monday Tuesday Wednesday Thursday Friday Saturday

1 2 3 45 6 7 8 9 10 11

12 13 14 15 16 17 1819 20 21 22 23 24 2526 27 28 29 30 31

Occurs 12 times a year.

Occurs 9 times a year.

Current Schedule

48/96 Schedule

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Would the 48/96 schedule affect Would the 48/96 schedule affect our fire inspection program?our fire inspection program?

• No! The current schedule and the 48/96 schedule both offer each shift between 16 and 18 days for inspection duties.

• The 48/96 schedule offers one advantage and that is there would be less turnaround time between initial inspections and the follow-up inspections.

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What Happens if One Shift is What Happens if One Shift is Scheduled to work both Christmas Scheduled to work both Christmas

Eve and Christmas Day ?Eve and Christmas Day ? • If a shift was scheduled to work both

Christmas Eve and Christmas Day, the shift could be flip-flopped with the one before or after, depending on which shift had to work Thanksgiving.

• This only happens every 6 to 9 YearsThis only happens every 6 to 9 Years

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Christmas SampleChristmas SampleDecember XMAS SAMPLE

Sunday Monday Tuesday Wednesday Thursday Friday Saturday

1 2 3 4 5 67 8 9 10 11 12 13

14 15 16 17 18 19 2021 22 23 24 25 26 2728 29 30 31

December XMAS SAMPLE

Sunday Monday Tuesday Wednesday Thursday Friday Saturday

1 2 3 4 5 67 8 9 10 11 12 13

14 15 16 17 18 19 2021 22 23 24 25 26 2728 29 30 31

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CONCON• Every shift is a 48 hours• This disturbs a long standing routine• May cause more stress with family routines initially.• Both days of a weekend would be worked 9 times per

year• Second of 2 shifts could be more demanding if a busy

first shift occurred.• Almost all mandates would be a 72• Decrease in Morale of some members who do not

want to try the 48/96

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PROPRO• Every time you go home you have a 4-

Days off• 8 More full weekends off per year• More overtime days without working a 72• More overtime days without working a 48• Less total times that you can be mandated

into a 72• Better continuity of workflow for two

days in a row

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PRO, con’tPRO, con’t

• Increase in Morale as seen in Departments that have switched.

• More Time with family• More 4-Days - 24 More Per year• 8 More total days in segment vacation per

year• Commuting time and distance cut in Half

resulting in less driving expenses and less wear and tear on vehicle.

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Are constant-manned Are constant-manned departments using this departments using this

schedule?schedule?Department Manning Personnel

Colton Constant 51El Segundo Constant 62Hermosa Beach Constant 18La Verne Constant 71Los Alamitos Constant 17Manhattan Beach Constant 26Norco Constant 26Redondo Beach Constant 65San Bernardino City Constant 150South Pasadena Minimum (-1) 25

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What do we do now????What do we do now????

• If you think this proposal has merit, talk it up with you crew, families, other members, and VCPFA District Rep

• If enough interest is shown, we can move towards a poll and than a vote to move forward with a trial run period of six months- See next slide for BHFD example

• The trial would be contingent on approval of management.

• All issues relating to the trial would be worked out by committee and with management between now and the start of the trial.

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BHFD Vote Proposal for 48/96BHFD Vote Proposal for 48/96Paper vote to start

6 month trial period then a paper vote

(YES)Make it permanent

(NO)Return to normal schedule

(YES)Continue Trial

After one year conduct a paper vote

(YES)Make it permanent

(NO) Return to normal schedule

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Yahoo! Group PageYahoo! Group Page

• Go to http://groups.yahoo.com/group/vcfd4896

to view this Power Point presentation on- line at home or anywhere you go and join the 48/96 discussion group to express your opinions (free Yahoo! Membership required).