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IEEE P802.11Wireless LANs

Minutes of the IEEE P802.11 Full Working Group

Date: 2017-07-10

Author(s):Name Company Address Phone email

Stephen McCann BlackBerry Ltd The Pearce Building, West Street,

Maidenhead, SL6 1RL, UK +44 1753 667099 [email protected]

Minutes page 1 Stephen McCann, BlackBerry

AbstractThis document constitutes the minutes of the IEEE 802.11 full working group for the July

2017, Berlin, Germany meeting.

Please note that all affiliations at this meeting are shown in Annex A.

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IEEE 802.11 Plenary Meeting – Session #164Estrel Hotel, Berlin, Germany

July 10th – 14th, 2017

IEEE 802.11 Opening Plenary, Monday 10th July 2017

The chair: Adrian STEPHENS (Intel Corporation) opened the meeting at 10:30 Central European Time (CET).

Jon ROSDAHL Vice-chair 1 (VC1) QualcommDorothy STANLEY Vice-chair 2 (VC2) HPEStephen MCCANN Secretary BlackBerry

There are 328 voting and 12 Ex-Officio members of IEEE 802.11

1. Approve/modify joint opening agenda (11-17-0847r1)

1.1. This is the main agenda for the week and shows the allocation of meetings to time slots. The meeting is in Quorum.

1.2. Chair: I would like to recognize that there are four IEEE fellows present at our meeting this week. There is also a representative of the IEEE-SA present.

1.3. Chair: Please note the changes to the agenda meeting graphic as shown.1.4. Move to approve the agenda (graphic and Monday agenda only) which will become 11-17-

0847r21.5. Moved Al Petrick , 2nd Dan Harkins1.6. No objection to the approval of the agenda.

2. Notices (11-17-0848r0)

2.1. Please note that photographs and recording devices are not allowed in these meetings and put cell phones to vibrate please. There will be one exception to this rules, within the Wednesday mid-week plenary for an award ceremony. If there are any members of the press present, please can they make themselves known.

2.2. None

3. May 2017 WG Minutes

3.1. Are there any matters arising from those minutes please?3.2. C: I understand that these minutes also include the 802 Wireless Chairs session, so perhaps the

title of these minutes should be reflected to state that.3.3. Chair: it’s not necessary as we’re only approving the IEEE 802.11 minutes within that

document.3.4. Move to approve the Daejeon May 2017 minutes in document 11-17-0739r1


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3.5. Moved: Stephen McCann, 2nd: Jon Rosdahl3.6. Following neither discussion nor dissent, the minutes were approved by unanimous consent.

4. Attendance

4.1. Please remember to login and register your attendance.4.2. 22 people attended this meeting for the first time out of 190 people in the room.4.3. Secretary: There will be a new member’s meeting today at 13:30 (PM1) today, in room 30441

on the fourth floor.

5. Policy and Procedures (11-17-0874r0)

5.1. Regarding patent information, please view http://standards.ieee.org/board/pat/pat-slideset.ppt for IEEE-SA patent information.

5.2. The VC2 called for essential patents information.5.3. No statements were made.5.4. The IEEE-SA policy and procedures were also reviewed.5.5. There are no proposed changes to the IEEE 802 EC rules at this meeting. There may be some

changes in November 2017 regarding the ICAID (industry connections) process and other aspects from IEEE-SA AudCom. Modifications to the meeting’s visa application process will also be discussed.

5.6. Please respond to WG letter ballots to avoid losing your voting rights.5.7. No questions

6. Announcements

6.1. Liaisons (11-17-0848r0)6.1.1. Chair: There are quite a few liaisons both incoming (slide #4) and outgoing (slide #5) this

week, as described in these slides, specifically to and from 3GPP and ETSI BRAN.6.1.2. No questions

6.2. Other IEEE projects of interest6.2.1. Chair: This is a new slide and shows other IEEE projects which may be of interest to IEEE

802.11 members. However, there is nothing to report at this meeting.

6.3. Other IEEE 802 working groups (11-17-0848r0 slide #7)6.3.1. VC1: This slide shows links to the agendas of the other working groups, together with an

additional slide showing an online schedule which is suitable for most mobile devices.

6.4. Meeting rooms and online calendar (11-17-0856r0)6.4.1. VC1: Please note that online calendar has been updated and is more automated and should

match the attendance and online schedule. There is a QR code on your registration pack to find an online agenda and schedule.

6.5. September 2017 interim (11-17-0856r0 slide #7)


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6.5.1. VC1: Please note that the September 2017 meeting will be in Waikoloa, Hawaii. Please remember to reserve your hotel rooms as soon as possible.

6.6. November 2017 plenary (11-17-0856r0 slide #7)6.6.1. VC1: This meeting will be held in Orlando, Florida.

6.7. Attendance (11-17-0856r0 slide #8)6.7.1. VC1: Please remember to register your attendance including affiliation for each meeting

that you attend. Please record your attendance honestly.

6.8. Breaks and Wednesday social (11-17-0856r0 slide #11)6.8.1. Please note the times of lunches and breaks.6.8.2. Breakfast is included in your room rate.6.8.3. Morning and afternoon breaks are available in the Estrel Convention Centre lobby and also

back in the hotel. Lunch is provided in the hotel atrium this week.6.8.4. The social is on Wednesday evening. If you have signed up for this event, you will require

a wrist band as your ticket. This can be collected on Monday or Tuesday by the IEEE 802 registration desk. Also, note that there will be 2 boats for the canal cruise. Dinner will be provided on the boats.

7. EC decisions (11-17-0848r0 slide #8)

7.1. Chair: These are items that were approved by the EC at their last teleconference.7.2. Please note that the IEEE-SA board requested an update from the IEEE 802 EC chair. This

document was considered and there has been no output from the IEEE-SA board at this time.7.3. There is a IEEE-SA public review process ongoing as mentioned on slide #10. At the moment,

no comments have been received on the 802.11 amendments shown.

8. Status of all groups (11-17-0848r0 slide #12)

8.1. Chair: These slides show the general structure of the IEEE 802.11 activities and all the current officers for all the sub-groups. Please note that the TGaj vice-chair will lead their meetings this week.

8.2. Chair: There have been some comment collections as shown in slide #18.8.3. Timelines8.4. No changes have been noted for the timeline chart at the moment.

8.5. There are reports of all the current groups within the document 11-17-0873r1. Here are some extra notes:

8.6. Editor’s Meeting: This occurs at 7am on Tuesday morning.8.7. ARC:

8.7.1. There will be a joint meeting with IEEE 802.1AS on Tuesday PM2.8.8. Coex SC: This will be the initial meeting of this new Standing Committee (SC).8.9. WNG: There is one meeting on Tuesday morning to consider future topics for IEEE 802.11.

There are currently 5 presentations.8.10. PAR SC: This Standing Committee (SC) will formalize the review of PARs from other IEEE

802 working groups. There are 9 PARs to be reviewed this week. Note, that some of the PAR meetings may be quite short this week.


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8.11. REVmd: there will be a discussion this week about whether 11ax is to be included in the next baseline release of IEEE 802.11 or not. There will also be a discussion about removing some older features from the IEEE 802.11 standard in Tuesday PM1.

8.12. TGaj: Please note that Haiming Wang (the vice-chair) will be chairing these meetings this week.

8.13. TGax: There are still many comments to resolve from the initial comment collection earlier this year.

9. Approval of TGai and TGah final minutes

9.1. Chair: As TGai and TGah have completed their meetings, it’s necessary to approve their final set of minutes from those meetings.

9.2. TGai: Approve the minutes in 11-16-1258r1.9.2.1. Moved Hiroshi Mano, 2nd Marc Emmelmann9.2.2. Comment (C): Perhaps this process should be added to the IEEE 802.11 operations

manual.9.2.3. Chair: Ok.9.2.4. No objection to approving by unanimous consent

9.3. TGah: Approve the minutes in 11-16-1297r1.9.3.1. Moved Yongho Seok, 2nd Alfred Asterjadhi9.3.2. No objection to approving by unanimous consent

10. Any Other Business

10.1. None10.2. Meeting recessed at 11:49 CET


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Wednesday, 12th July 2017

IEEE 802.11 Mid-Week Plenary

Presiding chair: Adrian STEPHENS (Intel Corporation) opened the meeting at 10:32 CET

182 people present.

11. Approve/modify joint opening agenda (11-17-0847r1)

11.1. Chair: There have been a few changes earlier today, so I propose to approve 11-17-0847r211.2. Any objection to accepting these changes to the agenda.

11.2.1. Moved: Marc Emmelmann, 2nd Richard Kennedy11.2.2. No objection to approving by unanimous consent

12. Call for Essential Patents

12.1. Call for essential patents12.2. No statements were made.

13. Announcements (11-17-0848r0)

13.1. CAC13.2. Chair: Please can all sub-group chairs remember to attend the CAC on Thursday evening at

7.30pm. If you can’t attend, please can a delegate be found.13.3. Photographs13.4. Chair: These are not normally allowed under the IEEE 802 rules, but they will be allowed

today in this plenary during the awards ceremony.

14. 11ax PAR change

14.1. There will be no motion today for this 11ax PAR change. This will be brought on Friday.14.2. C: Please note that the PAR form needs to be edited a little bit more, hence the delay.14.3. No questions

15. TGmd obsolete IEEE 802.11 features

15.1. Regarding certain IEEE 802.11 features which may be deleted, there are about 12 comments which were discussed within TGmd yesterday. An email has been sent out with the outstanding issues. There will be a motion about removing obsolete operating classes from the Japan band table during a TGmd Thursday meeting.

16. Social


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16.1. Please note that this evening’s social will occur this evening and the boats can be covered if it decides to rain. There will now be 3 boats, starting to depart at 6.15pm on the canal opposite the hotel. If you have children, please consider taking the 2nd boat, as there are less stairs aboard.

16.2. No questions

17. IEEE 802.18 Liaison

17.1. There is a 60 GHz work item for ETSI and European bodies. This is regarding extension of the band together with ITS. This discussion will occur in a later IEEE 802.18 meeting this week.

18. IEEE 802.11 graphic changes (11-17-0847r2)

18.1. Chair: Are there any room releases?18.2. IEEE 802.18 will release the Thurs AM2 slot.18.3. Chair: Are there room requests?18.4. TGay would like another slot on Thurs AM1.18.5. TGax would like 2 more slots on Thurs AM1 and AM2. 18.6. WNG would like another slot.18.7. C: Please note that AANI will have a short meeting, so this can be limited to an hour and

therefore WNG can use the 2nd hour of that slot.18.8. Chair: So, the AANI slot will be shared with WNG on Thurs AM2. The WNG will be for the

student paper review that was not covered earlier in the week. It is not a joint meeting.18.9. Chair: TGay can go into Wed PM1 and TGax into Thurs AM1 although this means that there

will be 6 IEEE 802.11 meetings running in parallel for Wed PM1 and so I’d like to verify that the membership is content with this situation.

18.10. Straw Poll: Do you support having an additional session for TGay Weds PM1 (6 parallel)? (11-17-0875r6 slide #7)18.10.1. Chair: From the show of hands, it’s clear that the membership is support of this.

18.11. Motion: Approve the room changes to the agenda 11-17-0847r218.11.1. Moved: Jim Petranovich, 2nd: Nikola Serafimovski18.11.2. No objection to approving by unanimous consent

19. Industry Update Activity

19.1. This will occur during the AANI meeting tomorrow.

20. LC TIG Report (11-17-1048r2)

20.1. Q: regarding slide #11, how many light APs would be required to cover this meeting room that we’re in? Also, how do you prevent interference between APs in the same room?

20.2. A: probably about 40/50 for this room. Regarding the interference, this is a problem that needs to be solved within any future task group. Of course, if you switch off the lights in a room, the light communication will also stop.

20.3. Q: The major appeal of IEEE 802.11 is its appeal and the large volumes. 20.4. A: The goal of the study group would be to define a scope and produce a PAR.


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20.5. C: Commercial viability should also be considered by the study group. It needs to consider why light communications is required in addition to 11ax or opposed to 11ax. It should address the incremental advantages of this new technology.

20.6. Q: Within one of your usage scenarios, downlink doesn’t really require CSMA/CA?20.7. A: Yes, and this does need to be considered by a future task group. Slide #31 may hint at such

a solution.20.8. Q: Is there any concern about light sensitive people?20.9. A: There are various safety standards for lighting which need to be met, especially for

flickering.20.10. Q: Regarding the figure on slide #31, how will the upper MAC be connected to the

individual lights and lower MACs. It appears to be a new architecture.20.11. A: This is just one solution that has been proposed. Handling rapid mobility between lights

will be difficult and needs to be considered within a future group.20.12. Q: This appears to be an asymmetric solution?20.13. A: The study group will have to discuss this and decided whether an asymmetric or

symmetric solution is the way forward.20.14. Q: One slide #31, are there suitable radio regulations for the multiple radio approach?20.15. A: I’m not sure.20.16. C: Thanks for the work that the LC TIG has group. My concern is whether this should be a

standalone standard or part of IEEE 802.11. The current standard is 4000 pages and is becoming unmanageable. I think for green field bands, we should consider new standards as opposed to amendments to IEEE 802.11.

20.17. A: Yes, this needs to be discussed within the study group.20.18. C: I think this topic is very vague and I wonder if IEEE 802.11 is the correct venue to discuss

this topic.20.19. C: This is a very interesting technology and the LC TIG has done a good task covering the

problem space. The study group will now consider whether this should be standardized. However, will be there be enough people with sufficient interest to move this forward.

20.20. A: Yes, I think there will be enough people to do this work.20.21. Chair: What would you like to do next?20.22. C: I would like to have a straw poll please20.23. Straw Poll: Would you support the formation of a Study Group for LC to 20.24. evaluate and to develop a PAR proposal?

20.24.1. C: I am not in favour of this straw poll, as certain aspects are not very clear20.24.2. C: I am in favour as a study group will further discuss the scope of work required.20.24.3. C: I am not in favour as I don’t think IEEE 802.11 is the correct venue for this work.20.24.4. Yes: 75, No: 31, Abstain: 49

21. Awards (11-17-1024r0)

21.1. Chair: We will now present awards to everyone who provided considerable assistance within TGah. Photographs are now allowed.

22. Recess

22.1. Meeting recessed at 12:17 CET


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Friday, 14th July 2017

IEEE 802.11 Closing Plenary

Call to order at 08:00 CET by Adrian STEPHENS (Intel Corporation).

83 people present in the room.

23. Agenda (11-17-0847r3)

23.1. Chair: Since the previous version, I’ve added various agenda items for this meeting. In addition, there are some new motions.

23.2. Move to approve the agenda in document 11-17-0847r323.3. Moved: Jim Lansford, Second: Al Petrick23.4. No objections, so moved and approved.

24. Call for Essential Patents

24.1. The meeting is still operating the P&Ps as described on Monday24.2. Call for Essential Patents and Letters of Assurance (LoA)24.3. None

25. Announcements (11-17-0849r1)

25.1. Minutes and documents25.1.1. Please can everyone remember that minutes, should be completed within 30 days, once

the meeting is closed.

25.2. Preparation for September 201725.2.1. There is currently a draft agenda for the September 2017 meeting, starting on 11th

September 2017 and there will be our usual CAC teleconference meetings between now and that meeting, on August 7th 2017 and August 31st 2017 noon ET.

25.3. LoA (slide #12)25.3.1. Chair: Please note that there is one outstanding LoAs as shown on the slide.25.3.2. No questions

25.4. IEEE Store (slide #13)25.4.1. Chair: everything is currently up to date.25.4.2. Please note that the “Get 802” program will move into the IEEE Explorer tool.25.4.3. No questions

25.5. ISO/IET JTC1/SC6 (slide #14)25.5.1. This slide shows the drafts, which will be shared with ISO.25.5.2. No questions


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26. Meeting Location (11-17-0856r1 slide #18)

26.1. VC1: Can I have a show of hands to see who is in favor of returning to this location again?

26.2. For: 32, Against: 626.3. VC1: How many people enjoyed the social?26.4. Yes: 24, Did not: 5, Did not attend: 7

27. Future Venues (slide #19 and slide #20)

27.1. VC1: Please note that the future wireless interims are:27.1.1. September 2017 is at the Waikoloa resort in Hawaii, USA.27.1.2. January 2018 is at the Hotel Irvine, CA, USA

27.2. The venues for the other future wireless interims and plenaries are also shown.27.3. Q: Is there a Bangkok meeting coming up?27.4. A: Yes, this will occur in November 2018 and replaces the original China meeting.

28. Treasurer’s Report (11-17-0855r0)

28.1. VC1: This is the current treasurer’s report. This is the balance sheet to June 30th 2017.28.2. Thank you to ETRI for their sponsorship of the Daejeon, South Korea meeting in May 2017.28.3. The estimates for the September 2017 meeting assume that 300 people will attend.28.4. Q: It would be useful to see the attendance per meeting?28.5. A: The information is here, but is spread over 2 slides.28.6. Q: Regarding the number of attendees this week, how many are for 802.11?28.7. A: There’s about 700 in total. There are 255 registered for 802.11.28.8. No questions

29. Timeline Update

29.1. There are changes to the following timelines: TGak, TGaj, TGaq, TGay and TGmd. The timeline chart will be updated shortly.

29.2. Chair: It has been noted that TGak should finish before TGaj and the current updated timings don’t reflect that. Therefore, TGaj may need to wait for TGak to finish. It would be useful for the two sub-groups chairs to discuss this offline.

29.3. No questions

30. WG Committee Reports (11-17-0876r1)

30.1. Attendance (slides #3, #4)30.1.1. The main attendance this week has been in TGax, followed by TGba.30.1.2. It’s also interesting to see that the general trend is a constant level of about 800 document

submissions per meeting.30.1.3. No questions

30.2. Technical editor (11-17-0876r0, slide #9)


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30.2.1. Please note the editor’s style guide and the rules on slide #11 for figures.30.2.2. Slide #12 shows a revised order and publication dates of the next amendments. TGax will

not currently be included in the next baseline update of IEEE 802.11.30.2.3. Chair: It appears that the TGaj, TGak order on slide #12 differs from what was mentioned

earlier in the timeline agenda item of this meeting.30.2.4. C: Yes, so some discussion and correction is required between TGaj and TGak.

30.3. AANI SC (slide #14)30.3.1. No questions

30.4. ARC SC (slide #18)30.4.1. No questions

30.5. PAR SC (slide #25)30.5.1. VC1: These are the various comments compiled by IEEE 802.11 regarding the 11 PARs

from other IEEE 802 working groups this week. They were primarily from IEEE 802.1.30.5.2. No questions

30.6. WNG SC (slide #48)30.6.1. There were 5 presentations this week for WNG SC:

30.6.1.1. Overview of the ETSI SDR project30.6.1.2. Low Complexity and Constrained Peak Power Consumption WLAN30.6.1.3. Orchestrator pilot signal30.6.1.4. Broadcasting on WLAN30.6.1.5. Student projects at University of Colorado – Boulder: Measurements of temporal

occupancy and a comparison of indoor performance of OFDM vs CCK/DSSS30.6.2. No questions

30.7. Coex SC (slide #50)30.7.1. This was the first meeting of this group.30.7.2. There will be a Coex SC briefing for TGax on the Thursday of the September 2017

interim meeting.30.7.3. No questions

30.8. IEEE 802 JTC1 SC (slide #53)30.8.1. No questions

30.9. TGmd (slide #58)30.9.1. The new timeline suggests that this group will finish in September 2020. It has been

decided that the most recent published amendments 11ai and 11ah will be in the initial WG REVmd D1.0 letter ballot later this year.

30.9.2. No questions

30.10. TGaj (slide #62)30.10.1. A re-circulation sponsor ballot has been approved and will start shortly.30.10.2. No questions

30.11. TGak (slide #68)


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30.12. TGaq (slide #71)30.12.1. No questions

30.13. TGax (slide #74)30.13.1. The task group has managed to resolve a further 480 comments from the initial letter

ballot this week. D1.4 will be published shortly and there will be a request for a TGax ad-hoc in early September, later in this meeting, so it should be possible to request a re-circulation letter ballot of D2.0 in the IEEE 802.11 September 2017 interim meeting.


30.14. TGay (slide #79)30.14.1. VC2: Please also note that TGmd is considering the removal of some obsolete IEEE

802.11 features from the baseline update. Some of these may be relevant to TGay.30.14.2. No questions

30.15. TGaz (slide #85)30.15.1. No questions30.15.2. Q: Regarding the items that are not on the PAR, will there be a modification to the

PAR?30.15.3. TGaz chair: The group will consider a PAR change to accommodate the security issues.

It’s also likely that the TGaz timeline will be updated.30.15.4. Q: What features will be dropped to accommodate the security updates?30.15.5. A: TGaz has multiple PHYs, so the scope of these may be changed.30.15.6. Chair: Any activity outside the PAR cannot be worked on, so it appears that a PAR

modification is required.30.15.7. VC2: Please note that the next opportunity for an update will be in the November 2017

plenary, so this PAR update will need to be worked on in the September interim meeting.

30.16. TGba (slide #90)30.16.1. No questions

30.17. LC TIG (slide #95)30.17.1. This is the last meeting of the TIG.30.17.2. There will be a motion later in this meeting to consider the creation of a study group.30.17.3. No questions

31. Liaison Reports

31.1. IEEE 802.24 (11-17-0876r1 slide #98)31.1.1. No questions

31.2. IEEE 802.1 OmniRAN (slide #101)31.2.1. No questions

31.3. IETF (slide #105)


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31.4. IEEE 802.15 (11-17-1164r0)31.4.1. There will be an updated version of this report, posted to mentor, once this meeting

finishes.31.4.2. No questions

31.5. IEEE 802.21 (11-17-1165r0)31.5.1. A lot of their work is now complete.31.5.2. No questions

31.6. IEEE 802.18 (11-17-1163r1)31.6.1. No questions

32. Working Group Motions (11-17-0875r3)

32.1. Teleconferences (slide #10)32.1.1. Move to approve the following teleconferences

Group Date(s) Start Duration

CAC Mon Aug 7, Thurs Aug 31 Noon ET 1 hr

TGaj Thurs Aug 3, 10, 24, 31 22:00 ET 2 hrs

TGak Mon July 31, Aug 7, 28 9:00 ET 1 hr

TGaq Friday Aug 4, 11, 18, 25 Sept 8, 22 Noon ET 2 hrs

TGax

Thurs July 27, Aug 10, 24, Sept 21Thurs Aug 3, 17, 31, Sept 28Thurs July 20

20:00 ET10:00 ET10:00 ET

2 hrs2 hrs 2 hrs

TGay Wed July 26, Aug 2, 9, 16, 23, 30, Sept 6 10:00 ET 1 hr

TGaz Wed Aug 30 11:00 ET 1 hr

TGbaMon Aug 14Mon Aug 28

10:00 ET17:00 ET 2 hrs

TGmd Friday July 28, Aug 4, 11, 18, 25 10:00 ET 2 hr

ARC Tues Aug 1, 15 09:00 ET 1 hr

AANI July 27, Aug 3, 10, 17, 24, 31, Sept 7 09:00 ET 1 hr

32.1.2. Moved Mark Hamilton, 2nd Joseph Levy32.1.3. No objection to approving by unanimous consent.

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32.2.1. Believing that the PAR modification contained in the document referenced below meets IEEE-SA guidelines, Request that the PAR modification contained in https://mentor.ieee.org/802.11/dcn/17/11-17-0913-02-00ax-par-modification-to-support-6-ghz-band.docx be posted to the IEEE 802 Executive Committee (EC) agenda for WG 802 preview and EC approval to submit to NesCom.

32.2.2. Moved: Osama Aboul-Magd, 2nd: Peter Ecclesine32.2.3. C: If passed, this will be considered in the November 2017 plenary32.2.4. [TGax result: Moved: Rich Kennedy, 2nd: Stephen Palm, Result: 54-0-0]32.2.5. For: 48, Against: 0, Abstain: 0 (Motion passes)32.2.6. VC1: The process will that the PAR change will be consider in the November meeting

and then go to the EC for their consideration. Then NesCm will consider it in December 2017.

32.3. TGax ad-hoc Motion (slide #12)32.3.1. Authorize TGax to hold an ad-hoc meeting on September 6-8, 2017 in the Bay area,

for the purpose of comment resolution32.3.2. Moved: Osama Aboul-Magd on behalf of TGax32.3.3. Chair: As this is an ad-hoc, can you confirm that no motions will occur in this meeting.32.3.4. TGax chair: Yes32.3.5. [TGax result: Moved: Hongyuan Zhang, 2nd: VK Jones, Result: 45-0-2]32.3.6. No objection to approving by unanimous consent

32.4. LC Study Group Motion (slide #13)32.4.1. Request approval by IEEE 802 LMSC to form an 802.11 Study Group to investigate

the requirements and feasibility of light communications as described in doc 11-17/1048r4 with the intent of creating a PAR and CSD.

32.4.2. Moved: Chris Hartman, Seconded: Andrew Myles32.4.3. LC TIG chair: There have been some changes to the submission (11-17-1048r4), that was

presented during the Wednesday plenary, which I will summarise.32.4.4. The main changes are:

32.4.4.1. The study group will decide whether the proposed document is an amendment or a standalone specification (e.g. IEEE 802.11.3).

32.4.4.2. The study group will not attempt to standardise the split between the upper and lower MACs as described in slide #31.

32.4.4.3. The study group will consider that when illumination lights are switched off, data may still be able to be transmitted.

32.4.5. C: This motion is different from the template, as it adds an additional requirement on the study group.

32.4.6. Chair: I believe that this is in order and this is required for a CSD.32.4.7. C: I think this has been great work and the study group should go ahead.32.4.8. C: I believe that the lighting industry has been asking for APs to be placed within their

equipment. If this work is not done here, then that industry will go elsewhere.32.4.9. C: Thanks for the LC TIG work. A study group should create a PAR and CSD, which

then leads on to the scope definition of a task group. Therefore, we should be careful about how many activities IEEE 802.11 is dealing with. In other words, is this a good time for IEEE 802.11 to have another task group? I also have concerns about this becoming a competing technology to the ongoing 60 GHz activities within IEEE 802.11.

32.4.10. C: The lighting industry is asking for this now. Some lighting industry representatives have been attending IEEE 802.11 this week to support this activity going forward.


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32.4.11. C: I have two concerns. The first is yet a further large extension to the IEEE 802.11 specification, as there will be a new MAC for this technology. The second is that IEEE 802.11 does not have enough expertise in this area.

32.4.12. C: Please remember that the IEEE 802.11 specification used to have an optical MAC, so this is nothing new. Additionally, there was a US based company that tried to do this in the past. There is a resurgence of interest in this technology and the study group is the correct place to have this debate.

32.4.13. C: I am the chair of IEEE 802.15.13 and I speak in favour of this activity occurring in IEEE 802.11. There is a synergy for both 802.15 and 802.11 technologies to be supported by light communications. One addition advantage of light communications is to off-load data from conventional IEEE 802.11.

32.4.14. C: Regarding the size of the standard, I also think it is very large. This should be considered by the study group. Regarding the expertise, this is the correct place to do it, as this is where the IEEE 802.11 experts are. This exercise is about integrating IEEE 802.11 and light communications technologies.

32.4.15. Chair: Please note that this a procedural motion, with a 50% threshold.32.4.16. For: 32, Against: 10, Abstain: 9 (Motion passes)32.4.17. Chair: I would like to thank Nikola for chairing the LC TIG, which is now dissolved. I

have asked Nikola to become the chair pro-tem of the study group, if the study group creation is approved by the EC.

33. Wireless Chairs Meeting (11-17-0849r1 slide #15)

33.1. Chair: This will be at 4pm on the Sunday September 9th 2017. If you are interested in the activities of the IEEE 802 wireless WGs, please come along.

33.2. Chair: Please remember that the next interim meeting is at the Waikoloa Hilton, Big Island, Hawaii, USA (slide #16)

34. Adjournment

34.1. Chair: having exhausted the agenda, the meeting is adjourned.34.2. The meeting adjourned at 10:25 CET


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Annex A: Attendance & Affiliation

Name Affiliation Attended >= 75%?Aboulmagd, Osama Huawei Technologies Co. Ltd Yes

Adachi, Tomoko TOSHIBA Corporation Yes

Ahn, Jinsoo Yonsei University Yes

Ahn, Woojin WILUS Yes

Alpert, Yaron Intel Corporation Yes

Ansley, Carol ARRIS Group Yes

Aoyama, Hideki Panasonic Corporation No

Armstrong, Lee US Department of Transportation Yes

Asai, Yusuke NTT Yes

Asterjadhi, Alfred Qualcomm Incorporated Yes

Au, Kwok Shum Huawei Technologies Co. Ltd Yes

Auluck, Vijay Self Yes

Awater, Geert Qualcomm Incorporated Yes

Azizi, Shahrnaz Intel Corporation Yes

Baeten, Robert Qorvo Yes

bang, saehee LG ELECTRONICS Yes

baron, stephane Canon Research Centre France Yes

Baykas, Tuncer Istanbul Medipol University Yes

Berens, Friedbert FBConsulting Sarl Yes

Berger, Christian Marvell Yes

Beruto, Piergiorgio Canova Tech Srl No

Bhandaru, Nehru Broadcom Corporation Yes

Bims, Harry Bims Laboratories, Inc. Yes

Bourdoux, Andre IMEC Yes

Brand, Hermann IEEE STAFF No

Calcev, George Huawei R&D USA Yes

Canchi, Radhakrishna Kyocera International, Inc. No

Cao, Rui Marvell Semiconductor, Inc. Yes

Cariou, Laurent Intel Corporation Yes

Carney, William Sony Corporation Yes

Chang, Soo-Young California State University, Sacramento (CSUS) No

Chen, Xiaogang Intel Corporation Yes

Cheng, Gary Peraso Technologies Incorporated Yes

Cheong, Minho Newracom Inc. Yes


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Name Affiliation Attended >= 75%?CHERIAN, GEORGE Qualcomm Incorporated Yes

Choi, Jinsoo LG ELECTRONICS Yes

Chu, Liwen Marvell Semiconductor, Inc. Yes

CHUN, JINYOUNG LG ELECTRONICS Yes

Coffey, John Realtek Semiconductor Corp. Yes

Cordeiro, Carlos Intel Corporation No

da Silva, Claudio Intel Corporation Yes

Dauphinee, Leonard MaxLinear Corp Yes

De Ruijter, Hendricus Silicon Laboratories No

de Vegt, Rolf Qualcomm Incorporated Yes

Debergh, Pierre Orange Yes

Easson, Mike Peraso Technologies Incorporated No

Eastlake 3rd, Donald Huawei Technologies Co. Ltd Yes

Ecclesine, Peter Cisco Systems, Inc. Yes

Edgar, Richard Imagination Technologies Ltd. Yes

Emmelmann, Marc Self Employed Yes

Erceg, Vinko Broadcom Corporation Yes

Estrada, Andrew Sony Corporation Yes

Fan, Xiaojing Fujitsu Research & Development Center No

Fang, Yonggang ZTE TX Inc Yes

Fawcett, Darren ARRIS Group No

Finn, Norman Huawei Technologies Co. Ltd No

Fischer, Matthew Broadcom Corporation Yes

Fujio, Shunsuke FUJITSU LABORATORIES LIMITED Yes

Furuichi, Sho Sony Corporation Yes

Garcia Villegas, Eduard Universitat Politecnica de Catalyuna (UPC) Yes

Ghosh, Chittabrata Intel Corporation Yes

Gilb, James Gilb Consulting, Inc. No

Godfrey, Tim Electric Power Research Institute, Inc. (EPRI) No

Grass, Eckhard IHP GmbH Yes

Grigat, Michael Deutsche Telekom AG Yes

Guo, Qiang Huawei R&D USA Yes

Guo, Yuchen Huawei Technologies Co., Ltd Yes

Gyungho, Hwang Hanbat National University No

Haasz, Jodi IEEE Standards Association (IEEE-SA) No

Hach, Rainer Nanotron Technologies GmbH Yes


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Name Affiliation Attended >= 75%?Hamilton, Mark Ruckus Wireless Yes

HAN, Xiao Huawei Technologies Co. Ltd Yes

Handte, Thomas Sony Corporation Yes

Hansen, Christopher Covariant Corporation Yes

Harkins, Daniel Aruba Networks, Inc. Yes

Hartman, Chris Apple, Inc. Yes

he, shiwen Southeast University, China Yes

Heberling, Allen Tensorcom, Inc. Yes

Hiertz, Guido Ericsson AB Yes

Hoglund, David Johnson Controls Inc No

Holcomb, Jay Itron Inc. No

Holland, Oliver King's College London No

Hong, Hanseul Yonsei University Yes

Hu, Chunyu Broadcom Corporation Yes

Huang, Lei Panasonic Asia Pacific Pte Ltd. Yes

Huang, Po-Kai Intel Corporation Yes

HUANG, YUN-LIANG MediaTek Inc. Yes

Inoue, Yasuhiko Nippon Telegraph and Telephone Corporation (NTT) Yes

Jacobs, Darnell US Department of Defense No

Jauh, Alan Spreadtrum Comm. Yes

Jeffries, Timothy Huawei R&D USA Yes

Ji, Chenhe Huawei Technologies Co., Ltd Yes

Jia, Jia Huawei Technologies Co. Ltd Yes

Jin, Liang Spirent Communications Yes

Johnsson, Kerstin Intel Yes

Jones, Allan Activision Yes

Jones, Vincent Knowles IV Qualcomm Incorporated Yes

Jungnickel, Volker Fraunhofer HHI Yes

Jurczak, Christophe lucibel Yes

Kakani, Naveen Qualcomm Incorporated Yes

Kalke, Jerome CBS Corp No

Kang, Hyunduk Electronics and Telecommunications Research Institute (ETRI)

Yes

Kang, Tae-Gyu Electronics and Telecommunications Research Institute (ETRI)

No

Kapetanovic, Dzevdan Ericsson AB Yes


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Name Affiliation Attended >= 75%?Kasher, Assaf Qualcomm Incorporated Yes

Kedem, Oren Intel Corporation Yes

Kennedy, Richard Hewlett Packard Enterprise No

kim, ajung sejong No

Kim, Jeong Gon Korea Polytechnic University Yes

Kim, Jeongki LG ELECTRONICS Yes

Kim, Jin Min LG ELECTRONICS Yes

kim, junghun Telecommunications Technology Association (TTA) No

Kim, Sang Gook LG ELECTRONICS Yes

Kim, Suhwook LG ELECTRONICS Yes

Kim, Youhan Qualcomm Incorporated Yes

KNECKT, JARKKO Apple, Inc. Yes

Kojima, Fumihide National Institute of Information and Communications Technology (NICT)

No

KOMORI, MINORU Ushio Inc. Yes

Kumar, Manish Marvell Semiconductor, Inc. Yes

Lalam, Massinissa SAGEMCOM SAS Yes

Lange, Christoph Deutsche Telekom AG Yes

Lansford, James Qualcomm Incorporated Yes

Lee, Hyeong Ho Electronics and Telecommunications Research Institute (ETRI)

No

Lee, Jae Seung ETRI Yes

LEE, SUNGEUN Cypress Semiconductor Corporation Yes

Lepp, James BlackBerry Yes

Levy, Joseph InterDigital, Inc. Yes

Li, Dejian Huawei Technologies Co. Ltd Yes

Li, Guoqing Apple, Inc. Yes

Li, Qiang HUAWEI Yes

Li, Qinghua Intel Corporation Yes

Li, Yanchun Huawei Technologies Co. Ltd Yes

Li, Yunbo Huawei Technologies Co. Ltd Yes

Liang, Haixiang Huawei R&D USA Yes

Lim, Dong Guk LG ELECTRONICS Yes

Lin, Wei Huawei Technologies Co. Ltd Yes

Lindskog, Erik Qualcomm Incorporated Yes

Liu, Jinnan HUAWEI Yes


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Name Affiliation Attended >= 75%?Liu, Yong Apple, Inc. Yes

Loc, Peter Huawei Technologies Co. Ltd Yes

Lomayev, Artyom Intel Corporation Yes

Lv, Kaiying ZTE Corporation Yes

Lv, Lily Huawei Technologies Co. Ltd Yes

Ma, Jing National Institute of Information and Communications Technology (NICT)

Yes

Ma, Mengyao HUAWEI Yes

MADHAVAN, NARENDAR TOSHIBA Corporation Yes

Maierbacher, Gerhard Osram No

Malinen, Jouni Qualcomm Incorporated Yes

Mano, Hiroshi Koden Techno Info K.K. Yes

Marks, Roger EthAirNet Associates; Huawei No

Mccann, Stephen BlackBerry Yes

Mcconnell, Ray Blu Wireless Technology Ltd Yes

McGarry, Andrew Octoscope Yes

Meyer, Dirk Osram No

Monajemi, Pooya Cisco Systems, Inc. Yes

Montemezzo, Nicola Canova Tech No

Montemurro, Michael Research In Motion Limited Yes

Morioka, Hitoshi SRC Software Yes

Morioka, Yuichi Sony Corporation Yes

Motozuka, Hiroyuki Panasonic Corporation Yes

Mueller, Robert Ilmenau University of Technology - TU Ilmenau Yes

Myles, Andrew Cisco Systems, Inc. Yes

Nakano, Hiroki Kyoto University No

Nandagopalan, SAI SHANKAR Cypress Semiconductor Corporation Yes

Nguyen, Trang Kookmin University No

Noh, Yujin Newracom Inc. Yes

Noshad, Mohammad VLNComm No

Notor, John Notor Research; ARM, Inc. Yes

Oehmann, David Technical University of Dresden No

Oh, Minseok Kyonggi University Yes

OUEDRAOGO, Abdoulaye Ministere du developpement de l'economie numerique et des postes

Yes

Ozaki, Kazuyuki FUJITSU LABORATORIES LIMITED Yes


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Name Affiliation Attended >= 75%?Palm, Stephen Broadcom Corporation Yes

Paraskevopoulos, Anagnostis Fraunhofer Heinrich Hertz Institute No

Park, Eunsung LG Electronics Yes

Park, Minyoung Samsung Semiconductor Inc. Yes

Park, Sung-jin LG ELECTRONICS Yes

Parsons, Glenn Ericsson AB No

Patil, Abhishek Qualcomm Incorporated Yes

Petranovich, James ViaSat, Inc. Yes

petrick, Albert Jones-Petrick and Associates, LLC. Yes

Pienciak, Walter IEEE No

Popper, Ambroise Quantenna Communications, Inc. Yes

Pulikkoonattu, Rethnakaran Broadcom Corporation Yes

Qi, Emily Intel Corporation Yes

Riegel, Maximilian Nokia Networks Yes

Rison, Mark Samsung Cambridge Solution Centre Yes

Robert, Joerg University of Erlangen-Nuremberg No

Rosdahl, Jon Qualcomm Technologies, Inc. Yes

Ryu, Kiseon LG ELECTRONICS Yes

Sadeghi, Bahareh Intel Corporation Yes

Sakamoto, Takenori Panasonic Corporation Yes

Sakata, Ren TOSHIBA Corporation No

Sambasivan, Sam AT&T Yes

Sampath, Hemanth Qualcomm Incorporated Yes

Sark, Vladica IHP GmbH Yes

Sasaki, Shigenobu Niigata University No

Sato, Naotaka Sony Corporation Yes

Sawhney, Salil Facebook No

Schelstraete, Sigurd Quantenna Communications, Inc. Yes

Schwenk, Martin FUJITSU No

Segawa, Yoko Toshiba Yes

Segev, Jonathan Intel Corporation Yes

Seok, Yongho MediaTek Inc. Yes

Serafimovski, Nikola pureLiFi No

Sevin, Julien Canon Research Centre France Yes

Sewankambo, Irene Uganda Communication Commission (IEEE fellow) No

Shellhammer, Stephen Qualcomm Incorporated No


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Name Affiliation Attended >= 75%?Smith, Graham SR Technologies Yes

Son, Ju-Hyung WILUS Inc. Yes

Sowter, Paul Anritsu Company Yes

Srinivasa, Sudhir Marvell Semiconductor, Inc. Yes

Stacey, Robert Intel Corporation Yes

Stanley, Dorothy Hewlett Packard Enterprise Yes

Stephens, Adrian Intel Corporation Yes

Suh, JUNG HOON Huawei Technologies Co. Ltd Yes

Sumi, Takenori Mitsubishi Electric Corporation Yes

Sun, Bo ZTE Corporation Yes

Sun, Li-Hsiang InterDigital, Inc. Yes

sun, sheng Huawei Technologies Co. Ltd Yes

Sundman, Dennis Ericsson AB Yes

Takai, Mineo Space-Time Engineering Yes

Tanaka, Yusuke Sony Corporation Yes

Tao, Wu Huawei Technologies Co. Ltd Yes

Tian, Bin Qualcomm Incorporated Yes

Tiedemann, Stephen Sony Corporation Yes

Tong, Fei Samsung Cambridge Solution Center Yes

Trainin, Solomon Qualcomm Incorporated Yes

Tujkovic, Djordje Facebook No

TYAGI, VIPIN C-DOT/Centre for Development of Telematics No

Urabe, Yoshio Panasonic Corporation Yes

Vaden, Sterling Surtec No

Van Nee, Richard Qualcomm Incorporated Yes

Van Zelst, Allert Qualcomm Incorporated Yes

Vangelista, Lorenzo Patavina Technologies Yes

Vanthournout, Jerome CEVA-DSP Yes

Varshney, Prabodh Nokia Yes

Venkatesan, Ganesh Intel Corporation Yes

Verma, Lochan Qualcomm Incorporated Yes

Verso, Billy DecaWave No

Wang, Chao Chun MediaTek Inc. Yes

Wang, Haiming Southeast University, China Yes

Wang, Hao Fujitsu Research & Development Center No

Wang, Huizhao Quantenna Communications, Inc. Yes


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Name Affiliation Attended >= 75%?Wang, James June MediaTek Inc. Yes

Wang, Lei Huawei R&D USA Yes

Wang, Xiaofei InterDigital, Inc. Yes

Wang, Xuehuan Huawei Technologies Co. Ltd Yes

Want, Roy Google Yes

Ward, Lisa Rohde & Schwarz No

Webber, Julian Advanced Telecommunications Research Institute International (ATR)

Yes

Wentink, Menzo Qualcomm Incorporated Yes

Wilhelmsson, Leif Ericsson AB Yes

Withey, James Fluke Corporation No

Wu, Jianbing itest Yes

Wu, Tianyu MediaTek Inc. Yes

Xin, Yan Huawei Technologies Co. Ltd Yes

Xu, Han Huawei Technologies Co. Ltd Yes

Xu, Mingguang Apple, Inc. Yes

YAGHOOBI, HASSAN Intel Corporation Yes

Yamaura, Takahiro Toshiba No

YANG, RUI InterDigital, Inc. Yes

Yang, Xun Huawei Technologies Co. Ltd Yes

Yang, Yunsong Huawei Technologies Co. Ltd Yes

Yano, Kazuto Advanced Telecommunications Research Institute International (ATR)

Yes

Yee, James MediaTek Inc. Yes

Yee, Peter NSA/IAD Yes

Yong, Su Khiong Apple, Inc. Yes

Yu, Chinghwa Spreadtrum Comm. Yes

Yu, Jian Huawei Technologies Co. Ltd Yes

Yun, SunWoong LG ELECTRONICS Yes

Zehl, Sven Technische Universitat Berlin No

Zeleznikar, Alan ARRIS Group Yes

Zhang, Hongyuan Marvell Semiconductor, Inc. Yes

Zhang, Xingxin Huawei Technologies Co. Ltd Yes

Zhu, Chunhui Huawei Technologies Co., Ltd Yes


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Annex B : Working Group Officers

Working group

Name (Affiliation) Position Contact DetailsAdrian Stephens(Intel Corporation UK Ltd.)

IEEE 802.11 Working Group Chair

+44 1793 404825 (office)[email protected]

Jon Rosdahl(Qualcomm)

1st Vice Chair (Venues and meeting planning)Treasurer

+1 (801) [email protected]

Dorothy V. Stanley(HPE)

2nd Vice Chair (Rules and reflectors)IEEE 802 (LMSC) EC delegate


Stephen McCann(BlackBerry Ltd.) Secretary +44 1753 667099

[email protected]

Peter Ecclesine(Cisco Systems, Inc.) Co-Technical Editor +1 (408) 527-0815

[email protected] Robert Stacey(Intel Corporation)

Co-Technical Editor802.11 Assigned Numbers Authority

+1 (503) 712 [email protected]

Standing Committees

Name (Affiliation) Position Contact DetailsJim Lansford(Qualcomm)

Wireless Next Generation Chair(WNG)


Joseph Levy (InterDigital Communications Inc.)

Advanced Access Network Interface (AANI) Chair

+1.631.622.4139 [email protected]

Mark Hamilton(Ruckus Wireless)

Architecture Chair(ARC)


Andrew Myles(Cisco Systems, Inc.)

ISO/IEC/JTC1/SC6 shadow committee (JTC1) Chair

+61 418 [email protected]

Jon Rosdahl (Qualcomm) PAR Review SC Chair +1 (801) 492-4023

[email protected]

Task Groups

Name (Affiliation) Position Contact Details


TGmd Chair(802.11 revision project - P802.11REVmd)



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Jiamin Chen(HiSilicon/Huawei Technologies)

TGaj Chair(China Millimeter Wave)

[email protected]

Donald Eastlake, 3rd(Huawei Technologies)

TGak Chair(General Link)


Stephen McCann(Blackberry Ltd.)

TGaq Chair(Pre-association Discovery)

+44 1753 [email protected]

Osama Aboul-Magd(Huawei)

TGax Chair(High Efficiency WLAN)


Edward Au (Huawei) TGay Chair (Next Generation 60GHz)

+1 (773) 782 [email protected]

Jonathan Segev (Intel Corporation)

TGaz Chair(Next Generation Positioning)

[email protected]

Minyoung Park (Samsung Semiconductor Inc.)

TGba Chair(Wake Up Radio)

[email protected]

Study Groups

Name (Affiliation) Position Contact DetailsNikola Serafimovski (pureLiFi)

Light Communication (LC) Study Group chair

+44 131 516 [email protected]

Topic Interest Groups (TIGs)


Liaison Officials to non IEEE-802 organizations



Liaison to IETF(Internet Engineering Task Force)


Ian Sherlock(Texas Instruments Inc.)

Liaison to WFA(Wi-Fi Alliance)


Liaison Officials to IEEE-802 organizations

Name (Affiliation) Position Contact DetailsRich Kennedy(HPE) Liaison to IEEE 802.18 +1 (832) 298-1114

[email protected] Tim Godfrey Liaison to IEEE 802.24 +1 (650) 855-8584 (office)





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(Electric Power Research Institute) [email protected]



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Annex C : Minutes

This Annex contains references to all IEEE 802.11 SC/TG/SG minutes from this meeting. Please note that they are NOT subject to the approval of these minutes, but are confirmed and approved by their individual group in the opening meeting at their next session.

WG TE 17-1035r1TGMD TG 17-0857r0TGAJ TG 17-1145r0TGAK TG 17-1106r3TGAQ TG 17-1142r0TGAX TG 17-1105r0TGAY TG 17-1162r1TGAZ TG 17-1171r0TGBA TG 17-1197r0ARC SC 17-1156r0WNG SC 17-1123r0JTC1 SC 17-1198r0

LC TIG 17-1157r0PAR Review SC 17-1092r0

AANI SC 17-1093r1Coex SC 17-1179r0

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