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Comments to WS coexistence draft PAR

Notice: This document has been prepared to assist IEEE 802.19. It is offered as a basis for discussion and is not binding on the contributing individual(s) or organization(s). The material in this document is subject to change in form and content after further study. The contributor(s) reserve(s) the right to add, amend or withdraw material contained herein.

Date: 2009-09-01

Name Company Address Phone email Stanislav Filin NICT 3-4, Hikarino-oka, Yokosuka, Kanagawa, Japan, 239-0847 sfilin@nict.go.jp

Tuncer Baykas NICT 3-4, Hikarino-oka, Yokosuka, Kanagawa, Japan, 239-0847 tbaykas@nict.go.jp

Zhou Lan NICT 3-4, Hikarino-oka, Yokosuka, Kanagawa, Japan, 239-0847 lan@nict.go.jp

C.S Sum NICT 3-4, Hikarino-oka, Yokosuka, Kanagawa, Japan, 239-0847 sum@nict.go.jp

M. A. Rahman NICT 3-4, Hikarino-oka, Yokosuka, Kanagawa, Japan, 239-0847 aziz@nict.go.jp

Yohannes Alemseged NICT 3-4, Hikarino-oka, Yokosuka, Kanagawa, Japan, 239-0847 yohannes@nict.go.jp

Chen. Sun NICT 3-4, Hikarino-oka, Yokosuka, Kanagawa, Japan, 239-0847 sun@nict.go.jp

Changwoo Pyo NICT 3-4, Hikarino-oka, Yokosuka, Kanagawa, Japan, 239-0847 cwpyo@nict.go.jp

Ha Nguyen Tran NICT 3-4, Hikarino-oka, Yokosuka, Kanagawa, Japan, 239-0847 haguen@nict.go.jp

Kentaro Ishizu NICT 3-4, Hikarino-oka, Yokosuka, Kanagawa, Japan, 239-0847 ishidu@nict.go.jp

Gabriel Villardi NICT 3-4, Hikarino-oka, Yokosuka, Kanagawa, Japan, 239-0847 gpvillardi@nict.go.jp

Chunyi Song NICT 3-4, Hikarino-oka, Yokosuka, Kanagawa, Japan, 239-0847 songe@nict.go.jp

Junyi Wang NICT 3-4, Hikarino-oka, Yokosuka, Kanagawa, Japan, 239-0847 junyi.wang@nict.go.jp

Hiroshi Harada NICT 3-4, Hikarino-oka, Yokosuka, Kanagawa, Japan, 239-0847 harada@nict.go.jp

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Abstract

This contribution raises some comments to the WS coexistence PAR described in 19-09-0060-00 and proposes the way to resolve these comments

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Title

• In general, we feel comfortable with the title in 19-09-0060-00– Standard for TV White Space Coexistence Mechanisms

• We propose one more option to consider with differnet wording– IEEE Standard for coexistence mechanisms for operation in the

white spaces of the TV bands

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Scope (1/5)

• Scope in 19-09-0060-00– The standard will specify mechanisms for coexistence amongst

dissimilar TV Band Devices and dissimilar or independently operated networks operating in the US FCC defined TV White Space Bands.

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Scope (2/5)

• Comments– From this scope it is not clear whether “mechanisms” will be

specific to particular radio interface specification or they will be media access independent• It is better to specify this in the scope

• We believe these mechanisms should be media access independent

– From this scope it is not clear whether only 802 wireless networks are considered or non-802 wireless networks are also considered• It is better to specify this in the scope

• Actually, similar statement is in Need in 19-09-0060-00

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Scope (3/5)

• Comments (continued)– When several secondary networks operate in white space, there is a

question on how to enable fair use of this white space by these networks

• We believe 802.19 is perfect place to address this question• So, we propose to include this in the scope• Actually, this corresponds to “etiquette” in Explanatory Notes in 19-09-

0060-00

– Coexistence between secondary networks is only one coexistence scenario

• Another important coexistence scenario is coexistence between primary and secondary networks

• We propose to include this scenario to the scope

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Scope (4/5)

• Comments (continued)– This scope is limited to USA market only

• We do not see any strong rationale to limit the standard only for the USA

• If USA is mentioned in the scope, it is still possible to define a standard for operation in the USA only

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Scope (5/5)

• Proposed scope– This standard defines extensible media access independent

mechanisms for 802 and non-802 wireless networks operating as secondary users in TV white space to facilitate coexistence between secondary users, fair use of white space by secondary users, and enhanced protection of primary users from harmful interference from secondary users.

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Purpose (1/3)

• Purpose in 19-09-0060-00– The purpose of the standard is to enable the family of IEEE 802

Air Interface Standards to most effectively use TV White Space by providing standard coexistence mechanisms. This standard addresses coexistence for IEEE 802 networks and may also be useful for non IEEE 802 networks in TV White Space.

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Purpose (2/3)

• Comments– We believe that purpose should mention three key points proposed

for the scope in the previous slides• Coexistence between secondary systems

• Enhanced protection of primary systems

• Fair use of white spaces

– Also, it is better to mention what are the economical benefits for manufacturers and consumers of “TV WS Coexistence” equipment

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Purpose (3/3)

• Proposed purpose– This standard facilitates cost-effective and multi-vendor

production and operation of a system which will enable multiple 802 and non-802 wireless secondary networks to coexist in white spaces of TV bands, including coexistence among these networks and enhanced protection of primary users. Also, such system will provide mechanisms enabling efficient and fair use of white spaces of TV bands by multiple secondary networks.

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Need for the project (1/3)

• Need for the project in 19-09-0060-00– Existing IEEE 802 standards groups are working to develop

modifications of their standards to comply with the regulatory rules for accessing TV White Space. Mechanisms that allow these revised standards to coexist are needed. The work proposed here will result in standard overlay mechanisms that allow these different 802 standards to coexist in TV White Space. It will also seek to allow coexistence with other well established non IEEE 802 wireless standards.

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Need for the project (2/3)

• Comments– We believe that need for the project should mention three key

points proposed for the scope in the previous slides• Coexistence between secondary systems

• Enhanced protection of primary systems

• Fair use of white spaces

– Also we believe that wording should be stronger

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Need for the project (3/3)

• Proposed need for the project– Given that USA FCC regulations has allowed secondary operation

in white spaces of TV bands and other countries regulatory bodies are considering their actions regarding TV white space, it can be expected that many 802 and non-802 wireless networks will be operating in white spaces of TV bands in the future. Correspondingly, questions of coexistence in white spaces and fair use of white spaces will arise. The proposed standard will provide mechanisms addressing these questions. Also, the proposed standard will provide mechanisms for enhanced protection of primary users from harmful interference from secondary users.

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Standards or projects with a similar scope (1/3)

• Text in 19-09-0060-00– It appears that there may be related work going on in The TV

White Space Data Base Group, 3GPP, OMA, and SCC 41. These will be explored and if there is material that would be valuable for this effort, it will be incorporated.

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Standards or projects with a similar scope (2/3)

• Comments– Typically, more specific information is expected in Section 7.1 of

the PAR

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Standards or projects with a similar scope (3/3)

• Proposal– It is proposed to briefly mention the following standards and

projects that have similar scope• IEEE Standard 1900.4-2009

• P1900.4.1

• P1900.4a

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Explanatory notes (1/3)

• Text in 19-09-0060-00– The coexistence mechanisms that will be standardized will address

the following and related areas:• Discovery …

• Connection …

• Logical mechanism…

• Etiquette…

– These mechanisms will include ways to assure that they are correctly functioning.

– The term “dissimilar networks”…

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Explanatory notes (2/3)

• Comments– Our concern is that the text in 19-09-0060-00 limits the scope of

the project by describing specific mechanisms

– We do not see any strong rational for such limitation at this early stage, when project has not started yet

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Explanatory notes (3/3)

• Proposal– We believe it is better to delete the current text from the

explanatory notes