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Stanley MEYER

Water Electrolysis

WO 92/07861

A Control and Driver Circuit for a Hydrogen Gas Fuel Producing Cell

Intl. Cl. C07G 13/00, H03K 3/3014 May 1992

Abstract

A control circuit for a capacitive resonant cavity water capacitor cell (7) for the production of a hydrogencontaining fuel gas has a resonant scanning circuit cooperating with a resonance detector and PLL circuit toproduce pulses. The pulses are fed into the primary (TX1) transformer. The secondary (TX2) transformer isconnected to the resonant cavity water capacitor cell (7) via a diode and a resonant charging chokes (TX4, TX5).

Description

This invention relates to electrical circuit systems useful in the operation of a water fuel cell including a watercapacitor/resonant cavity for the production of a hydrogen containing fuel gas, such as that described in my USPatent # 4,936,961, Method for the Production of a Fuel Gas (26 June 1990).

In my aforesaid Patent for a method for the production of a fuel gas, voltage pulses applied to plates of a watercapacitor tune into the dielectric properties of the water and attenuate the electrical forces between the hydrogenand oxygen atoms of the molecule. The attenuation of the electrical forces results in a change in the molecularelectrical field and the covalent atomic binding forces of the hydrogen and oxygen atoms. When resonance isachieved, the atomic bond of the molecule is broken, and the atoms of the molecule disassociate. At resonance,the current (amp) draw from a power source to the water capacitor is minimized and voltage across the watercapacitor increases. Electron flow is not permitted (except at the minimum, corresponding to leakage resultingfrom the residual conductive properties of water). For the process to continue, however, a resonant condition

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must be maintained.

Because of the electrical polarity of the water molecule, the fields produced in the water capacitor respectivelyattract and repel the opposite and like charges in the molecule, and the forces eventually achieved at resonanceare such that the strength of the covalent bonding force in the water molecule is exceeded, and the atoms of thewater molecule (which are normally in an electron sharing mode) disassociate. Upon disassociation, the formerlyshared bonding electrons migrate to the hydrogen nuclei, and both the hydrogen and oxygen revert to net zeroelectrical charge. The atoms are released from the water as a gas mixture.

In the invention herein, a control circuit for a resonant cavity water capacitor cell utilized for the production of ahydrogen containing fuel gas is provided.

The circuit includes an isolation means such as a transformer having a ferromagnetic, ceramic or otherelectromagnetic material core and having one side of a secondary coil connected in series with a high speedswitching diode to one plate of the water capacitor of the resonant capacitor and the other side of the secondarycoil connected to the other plate of the water capacitor to form a closed loop electronic circuit utilizing thedielectric properties of water as part of the electronic resonant circuit. The primary coil of the isolationtransformer is connected to a pulse generation means. The secondary coil of the transformer may includesegments that form resonant charging choke circuits in series with the water capacitor plates.

In the pulse generation means, an adjustable first, resonant frequency generator and a second gated pulsefrequency generator are provided. A gate pulse controls the number of the pulses produced by the resonantfrequency generator sent to the primary could during a period determined by the gate frequency of the secondpulse generator.

The invention also includes a means for sensing the occurrence of a resonant condition in the watercapacitor/resonant cavity, which when a ferromagnetic or electromagnetic core is used, may be a pickup coil onthe transformer core. The sensing means is interconnected to a scanning circuit and a phase lock loop circuit,whereby the pulsing frequency to the primary coil of the transformer is maintained at a sensed frequencycorresponding to a resonant condition in the water capacitor.

Control means are provided in the circuit for adjusting the amplitude of a pulsing cycle sent to the primary coiland for maintaining the frequency of the pulsing cycle at a constant frequency regardless of pulse magnitude. Inaddition, the gated pulse frequency generator may be operatively interconnected with a sensor that monitors therate of gas production from the cell and controls the number of pulses from the resonant frequency generatorsent to the cell in a gated frequency in a correspondence with the rate of gas production. The sensor may be agas pressure sensor in an enclosed water capacitor resonant cavity which also includes a gas outlet. E gaspressure sensor is operatively connected to the circuit to determine the rate of gas production with respect toambient gas pressure in the water capacitor enclosure.

Thus, an omnibus control circuit and its discrete elements for maintaining and controlling the resonance andother aspects of the release of gas from a resonant cavity water cell is described herein and illustrated in thedrawings which depict the following:

Figure 1 is a block diagram of an overall control circuit showing the interrelationship of sub-circuits, the pulsingcore/resonant circuit and the water capacitor resonant cavity.

Figure 2 shows a type of digital control means for regulating the ultimate rate of gas production as determinedby an external input. (Such a control means would corresponding, for example, to the accelerator in anautomobile or a building thermostat control.)

Figure 3 shows an analog voltage generator.

Figure 4 is a voltage amplitude control circuit interconnected with the voltage generator and one side of theprimary coil of the pulsing core.

Figure 5 is the cell driver circuit that is connected with the opposite side of the primary coil of the pulsing core.

Figures 6, Fig. 7, Fig. 8, and Fig. 9 relate to pulsing control means including a gated pulse frequencygenerator (Figure 6); a phase lock circuit (Figure 7); a resonant scanning circuit (Figure 8); and the pulseindicator circuit (Figure 9) that control pulses transmitted to the resonant cavity/water fuel cell capacitor.

Figure 10 shows the pulsing core and the voltage intensifier circuit that is the interface between the controlcircuit and the resonant cavity.

Figure 11 is a gas feedback control circuit.

Figure 12 is an adjustable frequency generator circuit.


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The circuits are operatively interconnected as in Figure 1 and to the pulsing core voltage intensifier circuit ofFigure 10, which, inter alia, electrically isolates the water capcitor so that it becomes an electrically isolatedcavity for the processing of water in accordance with its dielectric resonance properties. By reason of theisolation, power consumption in the control and driving circuits is minimized as voltage is maximized in the gasproduction mode of the water capacitor/fuel cell.

The reference letters appearing in the Figures, A, B, C, D, E, etc., to M and M1 show, with respect to eachseparate circuit depicted, the point at which a connection in that circuit is made to a companion or interrelatedcircuit.

In the invention, the water capacitor is subjected to a duty pulse which builds up in the resonant changing chokecoil and then collapses. This occurrence permits a unipolar pulse to be applied to the fuel cell capacitor. When aresonant condition of the circuit is locked-in by the circuit, amp leakage is held to a minimum as the voltagewhich creates the dielectric field tends to infinity. Thus, when high voltage is detected upon resonance, the phaselock loop circuit that controls the cell driver circuit maintains the resonance at the detected (or sensed)frequency.

The resonance of the water capacitor cell is affected by the volume of water in the cell. The resonance of anygiven volume of water maintained in the water capacitor cell is also affected by contaminants in the water whichact as a damper. For example, at an applied potential difference of 2000 to 5000 volts to the cell, an amp spikeor surge may be caused by inconsistencies in water characteristics that cause an out-of-resonance conditionwhich is remedied instantaneously by the control circuits.

In the invention, the adjustable frequency generator (Figure 12) tunes into the resonant condition of the circuitincluding the water cell and the water therein. The generator has a frequency capability of 0-10 KHz in a typical3.0 inch water capacitor formed of a 0.5 inch rod enclosed within a 0.75 inside diameter cylinder. At start up, inthis example, current draw through the water cell will measure about 25 milliamp; however, when the circuitfinds a tuned resonant condition, current drops to a 1-2 milliamp minimum leakage condition.

The voltage to the capacitor water cell increases according to the turns of the winding and size of the coils, as ina typical transformer circuit. For example, if 12 volts are sent to the primary coil of the pulsing core and thesecondary coil resonant charging choke ration is 30 to 1, then 360 volts are sent to the capacitor water cell.Turns are a design variable that control the voltage of the unipolar pulses sent to the capacitor.

The high speed switching diode shown in Figure 10 prevents charge leakage from the charged water in the watercapacitor cavity, and the water capacitor as an overall capacitor circuit element, i.e., the pulse and charge statusof the water/capacitor never pass through an arbitrary ground. The pulse to the water capacitor is alwaysunipolar. The water capacitor is electrically isolated from the control, input and driver circuits by theelectromagnetic coupling through the core. The switching diode in the VIC circuit (Figure 10) performs severalfunctions in the pulsing. The diode is an electronic switch that determines the generation and collapse of anelectromagnetic field to permit the resonant charging choke(s) to double the applied frequency and also allowsthe pulse to be sent to the resonant cavity without discharging the capacitor therein. The diode, of course, isselected in accordance with the maximum voltage encountered in the pulsing circuit. A 600 PIV fast switchingdiode, such as an NVR 1550 high speed switching diode, has been found to be useful in the circuit herein.

The VIC circuit of Figure 10 also includes a ferromagnetic or ceramic ferromagnetic pulsing core capable ofproducing electromagnetic flux lines in response to an electrical pulse input. The flux lines equally affect thesecondary coil and the resonant charging choke windings. Preferably, the core is a closed loop construction. Theeffect of the core is to isolate the water capacitor and to prevent the pulsing signal from going below an arbitraryground and to maintain the charge of the already charged water and water capacitor.

In the pulsing core, the coils are preferably wound in the same direction to maximize the additive effect of theelectromagnetic field therein.

The magnetic field of the pulsing core is in synchronization with the pulse input to the primary coil. The potentialfrom the secondary coil is introduced to the resonant charging choke(s) series circuit elements which aresubjected to the same synchronous applied electromagnetic field, simultaneously with the primary pulse.

When resonance occurs, control of the gas output is achieved by varying voltage amplitude or varying the timeof the duty gate cycle. The transformer core is a pulse frequency doubler. In a figurative explanation of theworkings of the fuel gas generator water capacitor cell, when a water molecule is hit by a pulse, electron timeshare is affected, and the molecule is charged. When the time of the duty cycle is changed, the number of pulsesthat hit the molecules in the fuel cell is correspondingly modified. More hits result in a greater rate of moleculardisassociation.

With reference to the overall circuit of Figure 1, Figure 3 receives a digital input signal, and Figure 4 depicts thecontrol means that directs 0-12 volts across the primary coil of the pulsing core. Depending upon designparameters of primary coil voltage and other factors relevant t core design, the secondary coil of the pulsing core


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can be set up for a predetermined maximum, such as 2000 volts.

Figure 5, the cell driver circuit, allows a gated pulse to be varied in direct relation to voltage amplitude.

As noted above, the circuit of Figure 6 produces a gate pulse frequency. The gate pulse is superimposed over theresonant frequency pulse to create a duty cycle that determines the number of discrete pulses sent to the primarycoil. For example, assuming a resonant pulse o 5 KHz, a 0.5 Hz gate pulse may be superimposed over the 5 KHzpulse to provide 2500 discrete pulses in a 50% duty cycle per Hz. The relationship of resonant pulse to the gatepulse is determined by conventional signal addition/subtraction techniques.

Figure 7, a phase lock loop, allows pulse frequency to be maintained at a predetermined resonant conditionsensed by the circuit. Together, the circuits of Figures 7 and 8 determine an output signal to the pulsing core untilthe peak voltage signal sensed at resonance is achieved.

A resonant condition occurs when the pulse frequency and the voltage input attenuates the covalent bondingforces of the hydrogen and oxygen atoms of the water molecule. When this occurs, amp leakage through thewater capacitor is minimized. The tendency of voltage to maximize at resonance increases the force of theelectric potential applied to the water molecules, which ultimately disassociate into atoms.

Because resonances of different waters, water volumes, and capacitor cells vary, the resonant scanning circuit ofFigure 8 is useful. The scanning circuit o Figure 8 scans frequency from high to low to high repeating until asignal lock is determined. The ferromagnetic core of the voltage intensifier circuit transformer suppresseselectron surge in an out-of-resonance condition of the fuel cell. In an example, the circuit scans at frequenciesfrom 0 Hz to 10 KHz t 0 Hz. In water having contaminants in the range of 1 ppm to 20 ppm, a 20% variance inresonant frequency is encountered. Depending on water flow rate into fuel cell, the normal variance range isabout 8-10%. For example, iron in well water affects the status of molecular disassociation. Also, at a resonantcondition harmonic effects occur. In a typical operation of the cell with a representative water capacitordescribed below, at a frequency of about 5 KHz at unipolar pulses from 0 to 650 volts at a sensed resonantcondition into the resonant cavity, conversion of about 5 gallons of water per hour into a fuel gas will occur onaverage. To increase the rate, multiple resonant cavities can be used and/or the surfaces of the water capacitorcan be increased, however, the water capacitor cell is preferably small in scale. A typical water capacitor may beformed from a 0.5 inch in diameter stainless steel rod and a 0.75 inch inside diameter cylinder that togetherextend concentrically about 3.0 inches with respect to each other.

Shape and size of the resonant cavity may vary. Larger resonant cavities and higher rates of consumption ofwater in the conversion process require higher frequencies such as up to 50 KHz and above. The pulsing rate, tosustain such high rates of conversion must be correspondingly increased.

From the foregoing description of the preferred embodiment, other variations and modifications of the systemdisclosed will be evident to those of skill in the art.

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WFC PLL - the Oscillation OverthrusterPosted by: Visual Echo in Mad Scientist - Boo

Notes on phase-lock-loop circuitry of a Meyer resonant water fuel cell

Here’s the schematics. They are improving daily. Note: all POV-Ray images on this site are just for laughs and areinherently inaccurate.

Files: THESE ARE NOT DONE! DRAFT! THIS DOES NOT WORK!

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“ZeroFossilFuel” has a fabulous idea in this video: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vKjUzsNj8NM (also see http://youtube.com/watch?v=Ru8YQ6HUwbU ). I have not tried this yet, but the more Ilook at it, the more I like it.

Picture Right: Lawton style gated pulse circuit, 4″ toroid, 3/8″ ferrite rod, E-core ferrite, newmeter

Referring to WO 92/07861 ( http://www.rexresearch.com/meyerhy/wo92.htm ) , the ‘A27′ chipin Figure 7 is equivalent to a 4046 PLL chip. The write up on Figure 8 is particularly interesting.Note that ‘A31′ chip looks like a 555, there are many of these throughout the drawings. “Thescanning circuit o Figure 8 scans frequency from high to low to high repeating until a signallock is determined.” : it runs a siren! I had thought about this as a way to initially discover theresonant frequency on start up. The next statement is incredibly enlightening: “The ferromagnetic core of the voltageintensifier circuit transformer suppresses electron surge in an out-of-resonance condition of the fuel cell.” The pulsemonitor tap on the VIC circuit toroid in Figure 1 gets cleaned up like in Figure 9 and feeds the PLL control.

I was having trouble figuring out how to pickup and feed back the ‘resonance’, this is helping a lot. The original Puharichdesign also addresses this.

09-AUG-2008 The preliminary circuit design is nearing completion. I need to get breadboarding!

12-AUG-2008 I’m getting some help on the forums at WaterFuelCell.org . Files and schematic picture updated.

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17-AUG-2008 I had to split the schematic into two parts, the frequency counter is now on it’s own board. The free version ofEagle wouldn’t handle one big board, not that I could handle it either.

25-AUG-2008 Files updated. There are new driver transistors on the MOSFET, and the board layout is pretty close. Currently breadboarding the Frequency Counter. This is still DRAFT.

1-SEP-2008 Files updated. The Frequency Counter is complete, PC boards are ordered and should be here in a week. Nowbreadboarding the PLL circuit. The Resonance Scanner is working, but sensitive. VCO-IN is responsive to 1 volt - 4.9 volts,but can go to VCC. The top quarter volt is VERY reactive.

15-SEP-2008 With the frequency counters built, and me ramping up my metalworking capability, I’m concentrating on thePLL now. The best values for the PLL chip itself seem to be 0.22uF and 10K, with a 1uF lock detect cap. I might make a’scan speed’ select on the resonance scanner, it’s a lot easier to adjust the scale and shift of the output when it goes fast, butI’m worried that the equipment won’t be able to handle too quick a scan speed. I’ve got the dwell side of the 556 making astandard astable square wave, and feeding it into the PLL SIG-IN line. When power is applied, it scans once, finds it, andlocks. It’s working well, I can ‘adjust’ the frequency to simulate skewing and it keeps track. I’ve also worked out the drivercircuit after a few different tries. I’ve settled on a push-pull totem pole design which I’ve tested up to 100KHz with the“ST8NKy” MOSFET, this is working very well. Schematic updated. I’d like to add a lot of goofy cool blinky lights, but I’mrunning out of real estate. I’m considering a ‘hybrid’ design which uses surface mount components for lots of little indicatorLEDs, they aren’t required for circuit operation but look nice.

16-SEP-2008 I’ve decided to split the safety circuits off to a daughter board, like the frequency counter. As sad as I am toadmit it, some people’s kids just aren’t going to use the safety circuits, and removing them from the main board will give melots more room for blinky LEDs.

18-SEP-2008 Schematic updated. PLL capacitor 0.22uF is good for 20Hz - 35KHz locking. 0.1uF is working for ~200Hz to120KHz, but I need to do more testing on this range. Sometimes it won’t re-lock after losing it at high frequency, but willinitialize and lock if power is cycled.

21-SEP-2008 Lots and lots of blinky LEDs! I’ve added 5 different color LEDs to the board now: red = fault, blue = pulse,green = lock, yellow = dwell, and white = gate. I’m also adding in an LM3914N chip to drive a bar array of LEDs to thescanner voltage. Thatt should be interesting. It will do a sawtooth back-and-forth of the LEDs, this will allow limitedadjustments to be made without an oscilloscope. Lots of lights! I’ve ordered 10K millicandela (so like, 10 candle) LEDsfrom SparkFun.com , so a big Hello to them and the China Young Sun LED Technology Co., Ltd.

24-SEP-2008 On the breadboard… I have the resonance scanner circuit working, the dwell disable signal is working, the PLLis interfaced to the scanner and dwell with logic gates, the MOSFET driver works, the pulse pickup circuit kinda works. I’vegot a store-bought dual coil choke on the pulse circuit and the MOSFET driving a resistor + LED + capacitor + the other sideof the choke.Given this primitive testing setup, I’m feeding the MOSFET output back into the pulse pickup circuit.

The ’scanner’ display looks pretty cool, and will allow fine tuning of the scanner without a scope. That could be critical tooperation in some iffy combinations.

Power on: it starts up and locks. Sometimes it scans a couple of times, other times the lock is instantaneous. Changing thevalue of the feedback capacitor makes it unstable (smaller caps are more stable too)… for a while… then it seems to mellowout. Freq rises slowly while doing this, which I think is some type of slow magnetization of the choke core, not significant.

I have a magnet I took out of a hard drive, pretty powerful and polarized right across the flat center on one side. I hold thismagnet near the D-core of the choke and the frequency goes up . I tend to pull the choke coil out of the breadboard aboutthis time, but if I hold it down, I can hold the magnet very close to the top… and it goes fast . When the magnet gets too closeor I click it onto the coil core, it loses lock and won’t regain until I hold the choke and pull the magnet off. I’m guessing themagnet blocks the transfer of the pulse in the coil, so the lock is lost and the scanner switches into circuit. When I pull themagnet away, it scans a couple of times and locks. I’ll bet I’m demagnetizing my magnet too.

Bottom line… I can modify the environment, this changes the frequency of the pulse, and the PLL keeps lock. It’s doingwhat it’s supposed to do. The frequency counter is a big help with this Asfar as I’m concerned, I’ve got a circuit that mostly works. I need to work out the final design of the pulse pickup amp, and it’sready for the proto shop.

I don’t have all the LEDs hooked up (just gate and lock for now), but I’ve tested the transistor driverfor them and they’ll work. I’ll put the whole thing in a blue translucent NEMA box and it will glow .

I’ve discovered McMaster-Carr. I have good stuff on the way, delrin, nylon, stainless steel, pressure switches. I need to getoutside and get to working on the test tube, I just can’t seem to get motivated to get off the breadboard now that I’m havingsome luck with it. I got a really nice 12VDC brass water valve from Omega.com . I’m about to send the safety circuit designoff for prototyping.

24-SEP-2008 (Later) Schematic and POV-Ray updated. I cut some tubes with the new saw, it’s… scary.

27-SEP-2008 Made test cell. Tired.


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28-SEP-2008 Delrin sucks, no way to glue it, but it will be useful one day with mechanical sealing. Remade holder out ofsome of the 2″ clear PVC. It looks great! Schematics, files, pics updated. I added a nice trick with one of the spare 4066gates, now the scanner display gets brighter when the PLL is not locked, and dimmed when it locks. I ordered more fromDigikey, some very nice switches and knobbies for the front panel, a bunch of forgotten resistor values, and the relays for thesafety board. When I can test the optoisolator circuits with the relay, I can send the safety board design off for prototyping.

03-OCT-2008 Files and images updated. It’s very close.

06-OCT-2008 Okay, so the circuit is close, but everything else is still far away. It’s not delivering the voltage through thepower transformer, and I’m confused. I’m trying distilled water in the test cell and getting almost nothing. Yes, I actually seetiny bubbles, but with the amount of juice I’m giving it, I should be melting wires. Very very low current, and I can’t raise iteven with the dwell gate defeated. I blew an oscilloscope probe, I think I overvolted it, but I’m not sure how. This isconfusing. I need a proper VIC transformer, that’s for sure. I have a small heat sink on the output MOSFET, and it doesn’teven get warm. Maybe I already cooked it, but I don’t think so. I have to look at this another way and go back and rereadthe old tomes.

I tried using the Triad power transformer as the step-up, it just doesn’t seem to be drawing much from the MOSFET. Iprobably need to (minimally) heat sink the MOSFET properly, but the current draw is very small, I can’t get it to draw morethan 200mA, and the regular breadboarded PLL circuit draws 100mA or so of that. The other side of the transformer showslike 20mV (MILLI volts), maybe that transformer is just a lot screwier than I thought.

I’m using a 7.5 inch ferrite rod bifilar (two wires) choke with another few turns (third winding) as the pulse pickup, that muchseems to work, but the polarity of the pulse pickup seems to be the big factor on that part of the circuit. This chokemeasured like 1.75mH a side when I measured it before with the cheap meter (now with blown fuses and mostly burned out). With the pickup coil loosely wrapped over the ferrite one way, it works great, the other way, the response is very awkward inthat a signal only appears when the dwell is off. That’s strange, I have to play with that some more, at least it seems to beworking. With the diodes across the +/- inputs to the pulse op-amp, anything bigger than about 1.5 - 1.75 volts (forward biasof the MUR800E diodes) should be clipped. Output from that op-amp is between VCC and GND. I can see that output pulseon the scope, it works with the dwell and a little bit more after the dwell cuts. I’ve noticed that it’s rather stable oscillation(unless the pickup coil is reversed), for all I know, it’s working perfectly and picking up too much garbage electricalinterference from computers, oscilloscopes, video monitors… the other electronics in the room. I’ve already noticed thatwith no pulse coil (open leads), it readily locks onto a 60Hz line signal out of the air.

At any rate, I’m becoming convinced that the circuit is doing what it’s supposed to do, and not much will need to changeeven if I get the right inductor(s). If I determine that there won’t be anything I could add to the circuit to make up for anydeficiency, I may send the PLL PCB off to get made anyway. I’ll probably add in the manual override again, but that’sabout all I can think to do.

I’ll take some pictures soon, maybe that will help.

07-OCT-2008

Pictures of Oscillation Overthruster output measured with a Tektronix 475 oscilloscope.

1189. Top trace is dwell, about 25% at 878Hz (active low) taken at TP3 in the schematic(2V,0.5ms). Bottom trace is MOSFET gate (2V,0.5ms). MOSFET is driven by 9 volt supply, dwell is from one side of a 556dual timer running on 5 volts.

1188. Top trace is dwell, same as above. Bottom trace is the pulse output and PLL pin 14 SIGIN(2V,0.5ms). Notice that pulses are detected after the dwell has shut off.

1190. Close up of one dwell cycle with PLL VCO output. Top trace is dwell (2V,50μs). Bottomtrace is PLL VCO OUT at TP6 (2V,50μs). Here you can see the VCO is following the pulses. Frequency counter at the VCOOUT says about 30K, it varies from 31K cold to 29K warm. About 33 pulses in this picture per 878Hz dwell cycle is 28974,that’s about right.

1191. Measurement at the test cell using 1.75mH dual choke, blocking diode, but no VICtransformer (1V,50uS, GND at center) Input DC Amperage is 90 - 120 mA, sorry my cheap meter won’t do better than that


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right now. The circuit normally uses that much juice, I don’t know why it’s not pulling more power.

Obviously, there’s no bubbles. No hydrogen here, move along.

Note: I just saw something strange. I noticed that after I turned the power off, the test cell had some voltage still on it. Ithought the scope was just decalibrated, but on GND it was at center. Flipped back to DC, it was still showing 1.75 volts DCoffset, same as in the picture above (the line at center of the waveform). Huh? I disconnected one of the cell wires, and thevoltage is still there. As much as I can figure, the cell is pulling some DC from the scope, and when it gets to the forward biasof the blocking diode, it stops. So I short the cell, and it bounces back to about 0.6 volts. I turned the circuit on, and voltagerose slowly to around 1.8 volts DC offset. I turned the power off again, and it stays around 1.7V. It looks like it’s sinking,very very slowly. It’s a little weird. It’s actually acting like… a capacitor? Naw, that couldn’t happen. Okay, Idisconnected the scope, shorted the cell, reconnected the scope (0 volts), and then unshorted the cell. The voltage startedrising. It’s acting like a capacitor and charging from the oscilloscope probe leakage. Very cool, that’s a nice clue. If I’mright. It’s been a long day, I might be hallucinating.

This might explain a few things, there’s not even enough impurities for the water to conduct at all, so I can’t pump anycurrent through it. Maybe tomorrow I’ll try tap water. Here’s a picture of my desk, don’t make me regret this:

Left to right: roll of solder, oil can of ‘Tap Magic’ cutting fluid, one-tube-set test water fuel cell (4 inch tubes), connectionbox with rod inductor choke, Tektronix 475 oscilloscope, yellow cased ampmeter behind banana connectors and wires,breadboard with 7046 PLL circuit, roll of Scotch 92 kapton tape, frequency counter (30579 Hz), stereo boom microscope

16-OCT-2008 I’ve done some rewiring. The MOSFET and regulator diode are heat sinked, the test cell is hooked up. It’staking amperage, not a huge amount amount, but I’m still using distilled water. It locks too easily, I’m thinking I might addthe divider chip. For some reason, the scanner circuit is invading the locked signal and knocking it out of lock. I’m under theimpression that once locked, it should really stay that way. It falls out of lock regularly with the scanner, usually at the topwhen the frequency is highest. I need it to stop scanning when locked, maybe I can tie the lock signal into the reset on thatside of the 556.

26-OCT-2008 Okay, that’s doing something. Now the scanner stops when the PLL locks, and this has a big effect. TheTriad still isn’t putting out the voltage that it should, but I’m getting a few tiny bubbles, what I might call an hour-oldAlka-Seltzer. I hooked up the cell directly (no VIC transformer) but with chokes, and I saw some hot spot frequencies. There was one around 44KHz, but that spot was not very stable and usually jumped to 22Khz or 11KHz fairly quickly. Sometimes the scanning would rest at 22KHz, but more often between 10 and 11 KHz. This is interesting in that these are(reasonable) harmonics of each other and so this would tend to indicate something good. Sometimes the circuit would jumpto these points on it’s own, but more often I would cycle the power and these occured on first scan.

I’m trying the full circuit now, with reversed chokes. If I run it with the dwell disabled, it soaks 1.82 DC Amps total circuit. The control circuitry uses about 100 DC milliAmps. The secondary of the Triad power transformer I’m trying as a VICtransformer is 0.92 Henries inductance according to my half burned out VC9808+ “Sinometer”. Both sides of the chokemeasure 1.8 milliHenries. The dwell at 150Hz and “ON” about %40 draws about 0.9 DC Amps (1.20 AC Amps).

When running this way there are some spikes in the +5VDC power supply, they occur on the MOSFET on times, as would beexpected. There are thick pulses during the gating times 50 millivolts high, and thin spikes at 0.1 volt. This is ugly, itprobably deprecates performance of the PLL. I may experiment with powering the control circuitry completely separately. This would involve cutting a fat trace on the safety board, but nothing a dremel won’t handle.

I’m also using the divider (CD4040) chip. The chip divides the PLL Comparator input from the VCO output by 2 (̂thenumber of the pin), so Q1 = 1/2, Q2 = 1/4, Q3 = 1/8, et cetera. This is providing a manner to adjust something… but I’m notsure what. The frequencies change, things move around, but not really sure if it’s helping. It will probably be a nice option tohave a switch on the front of the box for it even if it’s a LOT of wires, so I’m thinking it might be permanent. Note thatMeyer’s circuit used 4017 decade counters, and so he could divide by 10, 100, or 1000. Not sure if I want to try that.

I just tried using the JW Miller / Bourns choke instead of the 1/2 rod choke. It seems to be working well, the circuit doeseverything the same but the frequency is much lower.

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15 Responses to “WFC PLL - the Oscillation Overthruster”

Bui Xuan Ngoc says: September 24th, 2008 at 21:40:02

Good work. I read your blog everyday. If you agree I’ll replicate your circuit.Cheers

Ngoc

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Visual Echo says: September 25th, 2008 at 00:35:372.


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I don’t have any problem with this as long as you respect the Creative Commons BY-NC-SA license athttp://creativecommons.org/licenses/by-nc-sa/3.0/us/ . This circuit is not finished yet, but it’s getting close. Iappreciate you asking. I’m glad you’re interested, and thank you for your comment! Comment here or email me [email protected] if you have questions or I can help.

I can have extra boards made from the prototype shop if you are interested, but no promises as to when that will be, Ihave to keep my day job for now I mentioned that this isn’t finished yet, right?

Bui Xuan Ngoc says: September 26th, 2008 at 10:24:49

What frequency do you expect the circuit works at? Did you see circuit of Chris on Yahoo groupmeyer_wfc_replication? He said he is running car on water now. Chris was talking 30-100mhz.Anyway I’m not an electronics engineer so I don’t understand the circuit much. But when you say the circuit makeswater resonance I’ll replicate your circuit immediately. Now I’m collecting stuff to build cell.Keep good work. I’m watching now!

Best regards,

Ngoc

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Visual Echo says: September 26th, 2008 at 11:55:36

With my experimentation, using a 0.22uF capacitor on pins 6 & 7 of the PLL VCO gives a locking range of 0.5Hz -100KHz, realistically more like 20Hz - 80KHz. Dropping that to 0.1uF raises the range to 100Hz - 120Khz and a littlehigher, I didn’t test higher than that because that’s the best I could get out of one side of a 556 chip. Meyer ran his cellsat under 10KHz, so I don’t know anything about 30-100MHz, that just doesn’t make any sense at all. That’s FMtransmitter speed. The PLL chip I’m using here can go upwards towards 13MHz if I remember correctly, but therewould have to be some significant changes to the rest of the circuit to support this speed.

Oh, and I don’t mean to be cranky, but I did not say this circuit makes water resonate, nor will I ever say that. I makeno claims whatsoever. This is an electronic circuit for entertainment purposes only. It makes LEDs blink. When it iscompleted, if somebody wanted to hook it up to a Meyer water fuel cell, it might track the changing resonant frequencyof the cell, but I don’t know anybody who has done this because it’s not completed yet. Making any claims aboutsuitability of purpose on this circuit could open me to criticism, liability, and ridicule. Sorry, but I’m not here to feedthe trolls. It blinks light emitting diodes, nothing more is claimed.

Achieving a resonant frequency in the circuitry of a Stanley Meyer water fuel cell causes the most efficientcatastrophic breakdown of the water dielectric, or at least that’s the subject of several patents that he owns and owned.I’ve never seen this, I don’t personally know anyone who has done this. From what I have read, water resonates in amicrowave oven at something like 2.45GHz, if that’s what you want, try making a nice cup of tea

Hey, I’m not picking on you, you’re just the first Thanks again for your comments.

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Bui Xuan Ngoc says: October 7th, 2008 at 02:39:47

Can you measure voltage that output from VIC transformer? What kind of VIC transformer core do you use? I’m goingtake a core from flyback transformer. Is it OK?

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Visual Echo says: October 7th, 2008 at 21:16:00

I’m currently using a Triad brand power transformer, 115/120VAC to 5/10VAC. It’s hooked in series for 10V:230V or23:1 ratio. No, it’s not good, and I need to wrap a new VIC. I’ll get measurements and pictures soon.

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New post shows all my parts, I still need to get a few scope pics after doing a little rewiring.

I know some experimenters are using flyback coils, so that should be fine. In particular, take a look at the forums onhttp://waterfuelcell.org/phpBB2/, I know they discuss flyback coils and circuits in detail there.

Take a look at the design by 2curious4WFC at http://waterfuelcell.org/phpBB2/viewtopic.php?p=5167#5167 , it’squite impressive.

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Frog says: October 22nd, 2008 at 18:05:04

WOW, you are truly amazing… this is electronics in einstein although I have no friggin clue how all this workstogether, it’s easy to read … and I’m glad you are releasing this to the public ….

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Thank you! Now if only it actually worked Day job has been rough lately, I haven’t been able to spend time on itthat I would like. The “rot” is here, all the leaves are falling, rain is forecast for the next week solid, snow will be heresoon, and I have a few more weather-related tasks to perform before I can get back to this. I have to make jigs to windcoils, all different types and sizes. I’m convinced some function of this circuit will work, but I’m not getting any voltageout of the Triad, I need to find something that works better.

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DonL says: November 7th, 2008 at 12:58:15

Hi

I’ll be in line for a set of your prototype circuit boards when you’re ready! I haven’t seen you post on the other wesite lately so I thought I’d better leave a comment here with my email address.

DonL

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Visual Echo says: November 7th, 2008 at 13:32:26

Sorry, I did get a email that there was a response from the forum, I’m just swamped. I’m hammering on a softwarerelease at my day job, and researching about it in the evenings. Once every few days I take a break to pee. I shouldhave some time coming into the holidays to wind come coils and get a little more done on this, but I’ve had to do a fewsmall miracles elsewhere lately.

All right, I’ll admit to a playing a little Fallout 3. Just a smidgen.

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DonL says: November 7th, 2008 at 13:52:55

I know how those software deadlines can come and go….. I work for a software development company.My wife will say something about church tomorrow and I think to myself that I didn’t even know it was Saturdayalready!

We all need some down time (brainless game play) now and then.

DonL

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Don L (a different one) says: March 3rd, 2009 at 10:11:41

Hello, and great work here. I am wondering what has happend with the PLL scanner, have you gotten any good signsof Hydrogen yield? I have 2 Lawton circuits, and I have been all over the net trying to find a simpler way to create ascanning PLL circuit. I keep looking for a Lawton based scanner and Pll? do you have any info or ideas thanks theOther Don L

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Visual Echo says: March 3rd, 2009 at 12:16:13

No on the yield, the voltages aren’t going through the Triad transformer, I’m still not sure why. It works better if I usethe ‘Direct with Chokes’ hookup (see http://pyroflatulence.tv/?p=162 ).

A ‘Lawton’ type circuit uses two 555 timers to provide (for lack of terminology I’ll invent a couple of word usementshere) a ‘hum’ high-frequency square wave, modulated by a ‘gate’ lower frequency square wave. The composite outputwave biases a MOSFET and pulses a relatively high power voltage through stainless steel electrodes in water. The‘Oscillation Overthruster’ circuit shown here replaces the ‘hum’ timer with the Voltage Controlled Oscillator (VCO) ina 74HC7046 Phase Locked Loop (PLL) chip. This oscillator can be controlled manually with a potentiometer at TestPoint 10 (TP10), or can be hooked into supporting circuitry that A) provides a moving ’scanner’ voltage that attemptsto lock-on to a resonant frequency, and B) when the PLL locks, switches the scanner voltage to feedback from the VICcoil back into the PLL. The 7046 and one side of the 556 dual timer (’dwell’) act like a ‘Lawton’ type circuit withPLL, so if that’s what you’re looking for, this is an example. However, I’m not Dave, so I get to call it something else.

I go a bit further and provide some support circuits which feedback the VIC pulses to the PLL, provide an initialscanning voltage when the PLL isn’t locked, safety shut-off circuitry, and lots of blinky LEDs. Don’t get lost in thesupporting circuits… the 7046 PLL and the ‘Dwell timer’ to the left in the schematic are the guts of the circuit. The‘driver’ circuit is just a fancy interface to the MOSFET, it all performs the same functions.

Now, if I just had another life, I could get back to work on it. I’m coming to decisions about some of the problems Iwas seeing, so new post soon I hope.

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Post subject: Patent Discovered! - Driver Circuit for the VIC

Hi Guys

I have never seen this patent before, it was somehow overlooked.

Patent 9207861

"A Control and Driver Circuit For a Hydrogen Gas Fuel Producing Cell"

Download it Please

http://www.waterfuelcell.org/WFCprojects/Patents/WO9207861A1.pdf

This Patent has been brought to my attention by a private email from a person I will keepanonymous.

This is what was needed to progress, I have high hopes now.

cheers

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Quote from patent.....

Quote:

"Conversion of about 5 gallons of water per hour into fuel gas will occur on average. Toincrease the rate, multiple resonant cavities can be used and/or the surfaces of the watercapacitor can be increased, however, the water capacitor cell is preferably small in scale. Atypical water capacitor may be formed from a 0.5 inch in diameter stainless steel rod and a0.75 inch inside diameter cylinder that together extend concentrically about 3 inches withrespect to each other."

It has been said that

1 gallon = aprox. 2000 L of e-gas, 5 gallons = aprox. 10,000 L of e-gas, this is equal to 166 L perMin. , 2.8 L per second, or 2,800 CC per second..

This is pretty amazing using High Voltage and minimal to no amperage to produce this amount ofgas!

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Can someone help me find the exact calculations for litres of water dissociated into H/O?

Thanks

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w.elliott

Joined: 10 Jan 2006Posts: 2Location: Manitoaba, Canada

Posted: Mon Mar 20, 2006 2:34 am Post subject:

Dear Site Admin,

3 inches of cell composed of 3/4 inch pipe and 1/2 inch pipe. No electrolyte!

Voltages of about 600 volts across the water. I don't believe it. If this amount of gas can be producedby this little cell I'll eat my shirt.

Best regards,

Willard_________________Best regards,

Willard

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softtom

Joined: 11 Mar 2006Posts: 3Location: Germany


Hi Site Admin, hi everyone,

I read the document now for about 4 hours, have to think about it some time. Be careful in using thethings inside, i think it's scanned via OCR-software and there are several errors.For instance the switching diode "NVR 1550" is not existing, i think the real type is MUR 1560 (a ultrafast rectifier with 15A, 600V and trr 60ns).

For me personally the part with the the PLL is most interesting. It shows to me the importance of thefrequency in the process.The ratio of the secondary to primary coil is given at 30 to 1, in the patent ...961 it is termed as 3 to1 (600 to 200 turns).

Best regards

Tom

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warj1990

Joined: 01 Feb 2006Posts: 253Location: USA


Tom,

Thanks for figuring out the diode, that was driving me nuts searching for it.

Looking at figure 12 I will attemt to analize what the compoents are, should be easy for anyone thatcan build it.

A40 looks to be a 555 timer, with the standard RC time constant for frequency adjustments.

A41,42,42 look to be J/K flip flop circuits.

The last one (trangle) is an inverter,

I think it will be easy to construct most of the circuits in this patent, the main problem is still theresonating of the WFC itself. Maybe this patent is a missing link in the design of the WFC, but I stillthink the WFC needs some missing compoents filled in before all this gets put together and workingcorrectly.

Warj1990


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warj1990

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Willard,

4 QT = 1 gallon

1 QT = 946.35 cc

3,785.4 cc per gallon

3,785.4 cc h20 = 2000 L E-Gas(over)X = 2.8 L E-Gas

3,785.4 * 2.8 = 10,599.12

10,599.2 cc / 2000 L = 5.23 cc H2O

So the question is can a 3/4 inch tube 3 inches long hold 5.23 cc h2o with a center of 1/2 inch cut out?

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Cylinder volume = 0.25 * pi * diameter * diameter * height

cylinder 1 volume = 3.142 * 1.705 cm * 1.705 cm * 7.76cm = 17.4cm3

cylinder 2 volume = 3.142 * 1.27 cm * 1.27 cm * 7.76cm = 9.65cm3

Volume of electrolyte is therefore 17.4 - 9.65 = 7.75cm3

I am guessing the thickness of the outer tube is 1mm so I have subtracted 2mm from the outer tubediameter.

Its more than I thought there would be so feel free to check my maths.

Regards

Rob

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Posted: Tue Mar 21, 2006 2:56 am Post subject:

Quote:

Maybe this patent is a missing link in the design of the WFC, but I still think the WFC needssome missing components filled in before all this gets put together and working correctly.

While watching one of my favourite shows Stargate SG1 the other night one of the Asgar mentioneda device for immobilsing ascended beings, and he mentioned using a standing wave.

Maybe the circuit for the water fuel is all there, just only half the quantity.What if you need to pulse one cell with the first pulse and the adjacent cells with a second pulse, andso on.So that you get a to and fro motion of sonic waves in the water 180 degrees out of phase of eachother. I'm not sure but with the right frequency can you setup a standing wave where the two meet?

Did the video with Meyer and his cell show 3 wires going to the cell or 2 (he could have got away with2 wires and put diodes in the cell)?

Just a thought

Rob


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Torquefreak

Joined: 05 Mar 2006Posts: 4Location: UK


Hi, this is my first post here at the request of Site Admin.

Following notification of this patent on the egaspower list I wrote some PIC code to replicate thewaveform which appears on page 27 marked 'Pulse Input'. The idea being to make this available toanyone interested as a hex file for downloading and programming into a PIC 16F88. Two variableresistors are used to independently set the pulse frequency and symmetrical blanking count forexperimental purposes, the output is a 5 Volt signal. Page 9 of the patent suggests 5KHz as being theoptimum frequency for resonance and my code can currently range from 470Hz to 6.7KHz but I planto extend this. Two aspects of the patent concern me, one is the waveform shown after choke TX4and the other is the feedback mechanism for the PLL. I have insufficient experience to understandthese without further research. Comments welcomed.

Regards,

Nigel

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kingrs



Hi Torkfreak,

I am also looking at a PIC microcontroller solution for the pulse generator.

For the feedback I plan to use an op amp to measure the low voltage drop across a shut resistorsupplying the driver power mosfet. This can be read through the A to D input on the PIC.

I am about to order a series of different op amps to experiment with so that I can build a high speedamp meter that monitors the current drawn by the cell so that it can turn off the pulse train for a setperiod of pulses.

I want to use the PIC 16F873 and drive an LCD display to show the frequency, peak current,mark/space, train pulses, rest pulses etc.

Are you using the timer interrupt?

Rob

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Posted: Tue Mar 21, 2006 7:19 pm Post subject:

Hi Rob,

After posting here I read some of your posts about PICs.

I've been using PICs for over ten years and apart from a couple of early projects in assembler I codeexclusively in HiTech C.

Yes, I used interrupts and the pot reading provides the reload value for Timer 1. Using the 16F88sinternal 8MHz oscillator I can get a steady 6.7KHz pulse stream using firmware or up to 10KHz butwith jitter due to periodic reading of the A to D. I could write my own interrupt handler in assemblerto increase the output frequency or use a faster crystal.

You may wish to consider the 18F252 as an alternative to the 16F873 as it has an internal PLLenabling it to run at 40MHz (10MHz after / 4).

I have quite a bit of experience writing to character LCDs so please contact me directly if you'd likesome code examples.

Regards,

Nigel


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awrj2000

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Posted: Wed Mar 22, 2006 12:51 am Post subject:

In figure 10 of the patent TX5 is shown as a variable inductor.

Then on figure 1 both inductors TX4 and TX5 are not variable.

I think Meyer actually states TX4 and TX5 are bifilar wound and equal lengths in other patents andthe Tech Manual.

I think with figure 10 the step charging effect is from the inductor TX4.

The pulse voltage should always be "high", since inductors act as a resistor to DC I think the sameeffect is being shown with the step charging effect.

Power supplies use inductors as "soft start" systems for preventing current spikes during start-up,basically the same effect.

Don't get stuck on the 30 : 1 ratio on the voltage step-up (bottom page 9) that was just an examplefor the top of page 9 so you have an idea how Meyer got 2000 to 5000 volts across the cell.( or this could have been a condition of resonance )

Many of my experiments have been with regular diodes, I look forward to getting the diode specifiedin the patent (MUR 1560 crosses to NTE 6248)

The NTE diode is about $4 usd.

NTE Website: www.nteinc.com

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kingrs


Posted: Wed Mar 22, 2006 9:34 am Post subject:

Hi Nigel,Thanks for the reply, I am coding in assembler as I want to know whats happening at the lowestlevel - cycles required for each step in the program, the pulses are generated in code, although I didlook at the PWM feature of the chip and decided it was not flexible enough.I developed the LCD code some years ago but probably need to update it for the faster clock speedof 20MHz.

Send me your code for the LCD anyway as this will probably be more code efficient than mine is.

I was considering using an standard function generator chip, but setting the frequency is tricky tocontrol.

Its interesting to note that the whole patent may have been OCR'ed at some time, it means all sortsof figures could be wrong.

Regards

Rob

PS. Ooh and Site Admin, had a bit of a oops tonight while cutting out the sink hole in my kitchenworktop, it fell off the bench while I was recipro sawing it and broke it in two pieces, blastedchipboard worktops. Dohhh!

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kingrs


Posted: Sun Mar 26, 2006 10:52 am Post subject:

After reading through the patent a bit closer I realise that it is not separate pulse circuits but parts ofone large circuit.There appears to be lots of 555 timers in there,OR gates, AND gates, dividers, hex inverters and soforth.The bit I find interesting is the frequency scanner, how on earth does that work?If it can be built it will be a work of art.


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The first bit that does not make any sense is the two additional resonant charging chokes wound onthe same former as the secondary, surely they (all 3 windings) would represent the same winding.

If we each tackle a section each using Multisim 8 or Eagle I am sure we can piece together the wholecircuit.

Any suggestions?

Regards

Rob

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Torquefreak


Posted: Fri Mar 31, 2006 9:21 pm Post subject:

Hi Rob,

I've been trying to simulate part of the resonant circuit using 5spice (free evaluation download -www.5spice.com) but it just wants to generate noise waveforms at the moment.

Did you get my private message sent a few days ago (about LCD code)?

Regards,

Nigel

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