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Transcript of “303 with Rave Mehta”
Bulletproof Radio podcast #303
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Speaker1: BulletproofRadio,astationofhigh-performance.
DaveAsprey: Heyit'sDaveAspreywithBulletproofRadio.Today'scoolfactoftheday,isthatifyouwereanaverageperson,whichyou'renot,becauselet'sfaceit,you'reinterestedinhigh-performance,highperformersandnotaverageperformers,butlet'sassumeyou'reanaveragepersonandyouyelledconsistentlyforeightyears,sevenmonths,andsixdays,youhadproducedenoughenergytoheatonecupofcoffee,unlessofcourseyou'remymother-in-law,inwhichcaseitmightbealittlebitlesstime.Justsaying.Fortunately,Idon'tthinkshe'slisteningtothis,sorry,ifyouare.
Ifyouhaven'thadachancetocheckoutthegreenwavefilteronbulletproof.com,youshould.Ikeeptheselittlethingspluggedin,inmykid'sbedrooms,inmyoffice,andwhattheydoistheyfilteroutrandomemanationsfromyourhouseholdwiring.It'snotafullprotectionbutit'soneofthoseharmminimizationstrategiesthatIfollow.We'rehavingbasicreverberationswithinyourhouseholdwiring,doesn'tmakeforacalmelectromagneticenvironment.Filteringthoseoutcanimprovesleepquality.I'vecertainlynoticedthatwithafewclientsandI'venoticedthatmyself.IhaveagreenwaveEMIfilterpluggedin.It'snotabigpartofwhatIdoatBulletproofbutit'ssomethingthatIreallyrarelytalkabout,Ithinkyoumightbenefitfromthat.Checkitoutonbulletproof.com.
Today'sguestisgoingtobeamazingandthisisapodcastI'vewantedtodoforawhilebecausehe'saninterestingentrepreneurbuthe'salsoreallytalkingabouthackingfear.I'mtalkingaboutRavéMehta,who'sabest-sellingauthorofabookcalledTheInventor:TheStoryofTesla,whichisabest-sellingnon-fictiongraphicnovelbasedonNikolaTesla,who'soneofmypersonalheroes.He'salsoaTEDspeaker,aprofessor,andacomposer,apianist,andaguywho'sreallyfocusedonwhat'sgoingoninsideyourhead.
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Ravé,welcometotheshow.
RavéMehta: Thankyou,Dave.Greattobehere.
DaveAsprey: Now,wehangoutwithalotofthesamepeople.YouwerejustsayingthatyousawStevenKotlerandRobertCooperwhoweretwoofthespeakersfromTheBulletproofConference,kindofaneuroscientistbutnotlookingatfixingproblems,withneuroscientistlookingatenhancingperformance,there'sanewsideofneuroscience.Howdidyougettoknowallthesekindsofpeople?
RavéMehta: Weactuallyjustmetthroughothermutualfriendsofsimilarinterests.Steven,Imetoverayearagoandhe'sjustamazing.Hisbooksareamazingandwhathe'sdoingisamazing,completelyalignedwithmyinterests.ThenRobert'saninnovationexpert,alongthelinesofwhatIdoaswell,andsomeoftheothers,youhadaprettygoodgroup,aprettygoodcrewatyourconference.Ilookforwardtoseeingyounextyear.
DaveAsprey: Awesome.We'llmakesureIgetyousometicketsfornextyear.It'soneofthosethingswhere,whenyousurroundyourselfwithpeoplewhoareaskingbigquestionslikethataroundfear,innovation,flowstate,andoneofthethingsthat'sessentiallyaboutyou,isyou'veactuallyfocusedwhatyoudospecificallyoneachofthosethings.ThenyoutieditalltomusicwhichisnotsomethingthatIhavetheskillstodo.
Let'stalkaboutfear,becausethisisoneofthosethingsthatIdidn'trealizewasaffectingmyperformanceasahumaninrelationships,asanentrepreneuratallinmy20's.Ittookmeawhiletoevenrecognizewhatitwas.Whatisfeartoyou?
RavéMehta: That'sabigquestion.Feartomeistheone...Letmebackupactually.Inmyresearch,Ispent15yearskindofhacking,researching,chasingfear,justtounderstandwhatitlookslikeandhowitworks.WhatIfoundisthere'sreallyjustoneforce,onelifeforce.Sometimeswecallitflow,theflowstate,that'swhatwetap
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intobutIliketoreferittoaslove.Thekindofthebindingforcethatbindseverythingtogether,throughwhicheverything'screated.
DaveAsprey: Didyousaylove?
RavéMehta: Yeah.
DaveAsprey: Areyousomekindofahippie?Imeanyourhair'salittlebitlong.
RavéMehta: No.
DaveAsprey: I'minfullagreementwithyoubytheway,butsomepeoplelisteningarelike,"What'sthisguytalkingabout?"Yougottogodeeperonthatsoeveryonegetsit.
RavéMehta: Iwill.Ifthere'soneforcethatexists,essentiallythatkindofconnectseverything,that'swhatI'drefertoit.GeorgeLucascallsittheforce,EastAsiatheycallitchi,Indiacallsitprana,Ijustrefertoitaslove.
DaveAsprey: It'smidi-chlorianmediated.I'mtalkingabouttheStarWarsreference.
RavéMehta: TheMandorian.
DaveAsprey: Anyway.
RavéMehta: Therearetwoforcesthatactonit,onthislifeforce,whichisthesourceofourflow.Oneforceisfearandthatconstraintsourpipeforhowmuchofthisfloworthislifeforcewegetin.Thentheotheristheopposite,whatIcallorwhatIrefertoastrust,andthatopensthepipe,sowegetmoreofthislifeforceorloveorwhateverflowingthroughus.
Fearisreally,whatIdiscoveredisallnegativeemotionsisrootedinfear,whetherit'sanger,jealousy,insecurity,greed,guilt,shame,anyofthatstuff,thesourceemotionisfear.Thensimilarly,allpositiveemotionsarerootedintrust,theyhaveconfidence,grace,
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gratitude,humility,confidence,andcourageandallthatstuffcomesoutoftrust.WhenIbrokeitdowntojustthosetwofundamentalkindofforcesactingonthesourceofourflow,itmadeitsomuchsimplerformetoworkwithitandseehowIcouldtransformthesefear-basedemotionsintotrustandopenuporflow.
DaveAsprey: Theendsofthespectrumforyouarefearandtrust.
RavéMehta: Right.
DaveAsprey: Trustinwhat?Liketrustinyourfear?No.
RavéMehta: No,no-
DaveAsprey: Whatareyoutrustingin?
RavéMehta: Youtrust,okay,hereisaspectrumtotrust,itstartswith,andthesamewithfear,fearstatswithdoubt,leadstoskepticism,andultimatelyitleadstofear,andthenfearparalyzesyou.Theoppositeistrust,itstartswithhopeanditmovesupthescaleuntilyouhavefulltrustinessentiallytheuniverse,you'replaceinit,alltheeventshappeningaroundyou.Youhaveasenseofcomfortthateverythingisworkinginyourfavorandyoumaynotknowalltheanswersorwhy,butyouhavethatsenseoftrustandthat's...Whenyou'reinthatstateofultimatetrust,that'swhenyou'retappedintoultimateflowandweseethat.Weseethatlikewhenwe'rereallypresent,you'reinastateoftrust.
DaveAsprey: Right.
RavéMehta: Whenyoumoveawayfrombeingpresent,youallowfeartocomein,allthewhat-ifquestions.Themorefurtheryou'reoutinthefuture,themoreroomforfeartoenter.BeingpresentisjustoneofthethreepillarsoffearthatIkindofcameupwithorthatIdiscoveredovertime.Fearisalwaysbasedinthefuture,whatifthishappens?Whatifthathappens?Manytimesit'sstimulatedbythepastandthenweexperienceitinthepresent.However,whenyou'reverypresentthere'snoroomforfear.That'swhenyou're
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inastateoftrustbecauseyou'reinflow,you'recompletelyinthemoment.Youhavetobetrusting.
DaveAsprey: Whenyou'reinthemomentyoucan'tbeafraid?
RavéMehta: No,there'snoroomforfear.
DaveAsprey: Exactly.
RavéMehta: Right.
DaveAsprey: Itotallygetthat.
RavéMehta: Thesecondpillaroffearis,thefirstistime,thesecondisattachment.Therearetwotypesofattachment.FirstIwaskindoflike,"Oh,maybeweshouldn'thaveattachments."ThenovertimeIrealized,"No,there'snothingwrongwithattachment.It'sthenatureofhowweareattachedtotheseobjectsorsubjectsofourattachment,"andtherearetwotypes.
Oneisarigidattachment,somethingthatkindoflikeasteelbeamconnectingyoutotheobjectofyourattachment,andthere'salmosttheseuniversalforcesactingonyouthat'screatingstress.Ifthere'senoughstressandoppositedirectionsinthatbeamthat'sconnectingyouto,snapsandyoujustslingshotawayfromeachother.Thewholeexperienceismiserablebecausethere'sstressthewholetime.
TheothertypeofattachmentiswhatIcallgravitationalororbitalattachment.That'swhenthere'snothingholdingyouinplace,it'sjustyourowngravityandthegravityofwhateveritisthattheobjectofyourattachmentthat'skeepingyouguyswithineachother'sforceorfield.Whenalltheseuniversalforcespushonyou,youjustrotatearoundeachotherbutthere'snostressinthesystem.Asdynamicschangeyoucannaturallygravitateawayfromeachotherorclosertogether,butonceagain,it'snatural,there'snostressinthesystem.
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ChangingfromarigidattachmenttoanorbitalattachmentwasanotherpillaroffearthatIfoundwouldbreakdownfear.Thedifferencebetweenthetwoiswhenyou'reinarigidattachmentsituation,youarefocusedontheattachmentandwhereitshouldbe.You'retryingtocontrolit.Whereinagravitationalattachment,you'reactuallyfocusedonyourselfinbecomingabetterpersonorgrowingineveryaspect,andthat'sattractingtherightthingsintoyourspaceandpushingthewrongthingsaway.It'sjustaslightshiftinmindset,insteadoffocusingonsomethingelse,focusingonyourself,andtheneverythingcorrectsitself.
Thenthethirdisaveryspecifictypeofattachment,it'sanattachmenttoaspecificoutcome,wecallthatanexpectation.Whenyouhaveanexpectation...Ithinkaboutexpectationas,ifyouachieveanexpectationthere'snorealgloryorjoybecauseyouexpectedit,butifyoudon't,thenthere'sallthesedismayanddisappointmentanddemoralizationthattakesplacethatbringsyourflowstatedown.
However,whatIfoundifwechangeourexpectationstopreferencesandleavingthefinaloutcomeofhowthatintentionisserved,thatwhenyouachieveitthenthere'sthisgreatjoyandelationthattakesplace,andwhenyoudon'tyoustillleaveitopenforotherwaysthatthat'sinitialintentionbeingsatisfied.
Goingback,there'snoproblemwithhavinggoals.It'sjustattachingacertain,veryspecificformandoutcometothatgoalmaynotnecessarilybethebestinterestofyourintentionofwhyyousetthegoalinthefirstplace.Changingtheexpectationtopreference,becauseexpectationsisverytiedtoform,preferencesistiedtotheintention.Justasubtleshiftinmindsetopensitup.Itturnsout,anyoneofthesethreepillars,time,attachmentandexpectation,ifyouknockanyoneofthosethreedownthenfearjustgoesaway.Becauseallofthemhavetobeactiveforfeartoexist.
DaveAsprey: Interesting.Doesthatmeanifyouhavenoneofthoseactivecanyougetridofyourfearcompletely?
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RavéMehta: Yes,evenifyoujustgetoneofthem,feargoesaway.Ifyou'representthentheothertwodon'tmatterbecausethey'reembeddedineachother,theothertwogoaway.Butifyoucan'tbepresent,sayyouhavetoplanforsomethinginthefuturethenyoumovetothenextpillar,attachment.Ifyoucouldchangethenatureofattachmentthenyourfeargoesaway,butifyoucan'tbecauseit'sashorttermthingthatyouneedtoreallycontrolandmanage,thenyoumovetoexpectation.Ifyoucouldchangethattoapreferencethenthatgetsridoffear.There'skindoflikeacascadeeffect.
DaveAsprey: Now,I'lltakearidiculousexamplehere.IreallywanttounderstandfearandIthinkalotofpeoplelisteningtothis,everyoneknowsthatfearplaysaroleintheirlife.Everyonewantstohavecontrolovertheirfear,andyou'rewritingabookabouthowtohackfear.I'mgoingtogodeeponthisandyoucantellmeifI’mbeingridiculous,I'mokaywiththat.
RavéMehta: Sure.Sure.
DaveAsprey: Allright,nowthere'satigerinmid-aircrouchinginyouordoingwhatever,crouchingandjumpingatyoulikereadytotakeabite.Yousaylike,"Well,I'mfeelinglikeI'minthepresentmoment,maybe,butI'msortofattachedtotheoutcomeofnotbeingtorntobits."Great.
RavéMehta: Great.Crazy.
DaveAsprey: Iwouldprefernottobeeaten.AmIreallygoingtofeeltheandbendthisfearandactorlike...justwalkmethrough.Itseemslikethere'savisceralkindoffearthat'ssurvivalbased,thatmaybebeingpresentisn'tthesolutionfornotbeingafraidofthetigertearingmetopieces.
RavéMehta: Ihadasimilarexperienceactually.IwasinSouthAfricansafariandwewereobservingaprideoflionstakeoutanelephant.Aswe'resittingthereoneofthelion,we'reinourcartandoneofthelionsactuallywalkeduptome.Iwasinthefrontseat,inthefront
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leftcorner,closesttothegroundanditliterallywalkeduptomeandIhadapicture,becauseIwastakingpicturesofitasitwascomingcloser,untilourrangersaid,"Stopmoving.Stopmoving."Hesaid,"Stopmoving.Stopbreathing.Pretendyoudon'texist."Icouldfeelthebreathoftheliononmyforearmanditsatthereandit'sjustlookingandobserving.It'stryingtofiguremeout.It'stryingtofigureoutprobablyifIwasedibleornot.
Naturally,mymindwanderedinthefuturelike,"OhmyGod,thisisgoingtobetheworstwaytodie,"allthosewhat-ifquestions.Iwasinthefuture.Ihadtheattachmenttonotdyingandmybody,andthenIhadexpectationofwantingtosurvive.Butitwasn'tuntilIpulledmyselfinthepresent,Iusedabreathingexercisethatgotmeverypresent,gotmeverysettled,anditdidfeel,Ifeltcomfortable.Thetrustkindofreemergedinme,Isaid,"Everything'sgoingtobefine."Thenitwasn'twithinsecondsofmefeelingthatwaythatthelionwalked,gotupandjustwalkedaway.Theysense-
DaveAsprey: Animals.
RavéMehta: Theysense-
DaveAsprey: Animalssensethat.
RavéMehta: Theysenseitandsodowe.Wesenseittoo.We'renotnecessarilyconsciousofitallthetimebutweallsenseeachother'sfeelings.Thequestioninthatscenariois,whatleduptothetigerorlionwantingtopounceonyou?Becauseitwasn'tlikeallofasuddenyou'vegoneintoastateoffearwhenhe'smid-air.Thereisaseriesofthingsthatwouldattractittowardstoyoupossibly,thatcouldleadtoyoubeinginthatstate.Inthatstateifyourpresentyouwouldknowwhattodo.Youcanmoveoutoftheway.Youknowhowtomaneuverbecauseyou'dbeinaflowstate,youwouldn'tbeparalyzed.
DaveAsprey: IthinkitwasAlbertoVilloldowho'sashamanandacultureanthropologist,he'sbeenonBulletproofRadio.He'safriend.If
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I'mquotinghimrighthesaidsomethinglike,"Ifyougetbittenbyasnakeyougotothedoctor.Ifyoudon'tknowwhattodoandyou'rebittenbythesnakegotothedoctor.Ifyouknowwhyyougotbittenbythesnakeyougototheshaman."Whichkindofillustratewhatyou'resaying,likeifyou'relivinginthestateoffear,Ibelieveanyway,andit'sbeenmyexperiencethatyouattractthethingsyoudon'twantintoyourlife.Ifyou'relivinginastateoffloworastateofpresenceorastateofgratitudeorwhatevertheantidotethatyouhaveis,forfearinyourlife,atleastmostofthetime.Likeifyourtechnicaltermis,"Goodshithappens."Isthatkindofwhereyou'regoingwiththis?
RavéMehta: Yeah,Imean,Ifeellikewegiveofffeelsandeverything'sgettingoffafieldandweattractthefieldsthatwe'regivingoff.Essentiallythey'relike-
DaveAsprey: Giveofffields.Allthescientistslisteningtothisanddoctors,likegiveofffields.Whatkindofafield?Doyouknowwhatkindoffield?
RavéMehta: Energeticfields.Ifeellikethere'sa...Thisisnot,Imean,thisisprovablescience.Youcoulddomultipletestingandmultipletestsatdifferentthoughtpattern,oreventhe,Iforgothisname,Mokimoto,whotestedthecrystalandwater.Whereheputemotionsonthewaterandthedifferentcrystalformationsformwhenthey'refrozen.Ourthoughtshaveenergeticqualitiesandwegiveofftheseenergeticqualitiesallthetimeandtherearethingsreceivingthat.Thingsthatkindofcorrelatewithitcomeintoourspaceandthosethatdon'tmoveaway.
DaveAsprey: It'sroughbecauseifyouwouldlookatLynneMcTaggart'sworkaroundthefield,there'sgreatamountsofevidencethatthere'ssomethinggoingonbutwehaven't,atleastinmyknowledge,figuredouthowtodirectlymeasurethosefieldsusinginstrumentsoutsideofus,whichisyou'regetting.Butwecanmeasure,whatIwouldguesshappenedwithyourlion.That'sactuallyamagneticfieldanditdoescomeoffyourheartanditis
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trainable.That'ssomethingthatIdo.Doyouworkwithheartratevariabilityatall?
RavéMehta: Yeah.
DaveAsprey: Let'stalkaboutwhatyoudowithheartratevariability.Whatdoyoudowiththat?Becausethat'soneofthosedreadedmeasurable,youcanseeit,youcanfeelit,youcanlookatitwithamagneticfielddetector,andweknowthatitinteractswithotherpeople.Let's,fortheskepticslistening,thisissomethingthatisbeyondthefieldofskepticismwhereit'smeasurable,quantifiable,andweknowitaffectsotherbeings.Let'sassumethatit'smagneticeventhoughitmaybealotmorethanthatandwe'llgofromthere.Justtohelppeopledoathoughtexperimentherearoundfear.Goahead.
RavéMehta: ThewayIworkwithheartvariabilityisIusedifferentbreathingtechniquestohelpmegetintodifferentstatestogiveoffdifferent,Iguess,heartfeels,Iguess,forlackofabetterword.Havinggonethroughanextensiveprocessofmeasuringthedifferentfeelsorfrequenciesthatwe'regivingoff,butIcoulddefinitelynoticeachangeindifferenttechniques.Thisgoesallthewaybacktoevenlikevedicsciencesinourculture.Theyfiguredthisoutthousandsofyearsago.
DaveAsprey: It'snotnew.
RavéMehta: It'snotnew.We'rejustusingdifferentinstrumentstofigureouthowitworksandadifferentlens.Asayogateacherandpractitioner,Imean,I'vebeenusingbreathingtechniquesandmeditationtechniquesforawhileandreallymanagingmyownstatewiththose.There'savideogamethatDeepakChoprashowedmeonce,acoupleofyearsago.Heuseoneofthosefingerclipstotrackyourpulse.Itwascalledthebio-sensorbutreallyapulsetracker.Inthegamehewouldhaveyoudodifferentbreathingtechniques,andasyougot,yourheartbeatgottherangeofwhatthey'relookingfor,basedonthosebio-sensor,
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whateveryou'retryingtoaccomplishwouldstarttohappen.Liketheballsinthegrasswouldstarttojuggle.
DaveAsprey: Iknewthatgame.
RavéMehta: Ittrainyouindifferenttechniquestomovethroughthisjourney,sotospeakand-
DaveAsprey: Thegame,bythewayforlisteners,mybuddyKylerunsit.It'scalledWildDivine.Itwasthefirstbio-feedbackvideogame.That'stheoneyou'retalkingabout.
RavéMehta: Exactly.That'sexactlyright,andthatwasyearsago.That'sfairlyaheadofitstime,Iwouldsay.
DaveAsprey: Itwaslikelate90's,Ithinkwhenitcameoutorsomethinglikethat.
RavéMehta: Exactly,veryaheadofitstimebutinasimilarwayhe'susingtheheartratevariabilitytoshowsomekindofdirectfeedbackfromavideogamestandpoint.
DaveAsprey: Youworkedinthevideogameindustry,didn'tyou?
RavéMehta: Yeah.
DaveAsprey: That'swhyyou'veseenit.Itwasnotamajorsuccess.Iwasgoingtosay,that'sokay.
RavéMehta: No,itwasn'tbutIdon'tthink...AlotofthingsI'vedoneandI'msureyou'veexperiencedsometimesifwe'retooearly,it'salltiming,right?Itdoesn'tmeanit'snotagoodproductquality,itjustmeansthetimingisoff,themarketisnotreadyortheaudienceisn'treadyforit.
DaveAsprey: Asayogateacheryourecognizedthatwhenyoudodifferentbreathingexercisestheydosomethingtoyourheart,likeyouseeyourheartopeninmeditation.That'smorethanafewtypesofmeditationteaching.You'redoingthisandthatdoesaffectheart
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ratevariabilityandthenyou'renoticingthatithasaneffectonthepeopleorthethingsaroundyou,right?
RavéMehta: Sure.
DaveAsprey: Inthecaseofthelionyouwereinastateoffearbecauseit'sanormalthingtohappenwhenyoufeellikeacarnivoreissniffingyourarmtoseeifit'smadeoutofbacon.Thenyouovercamethatusingyourbreathingexercise,andthesecondyouovercameitthelion'slike,"Oh,notfood."Becauseitdoesn'thavethefearoffood,right?
RavéMehta: Right.
DaveAsprey: That'sanexampleofwhereyoutotallyhackedyourfearinaverysubstantialway.Now,let'ssaythatI'm...Let'sgotoanotherexample.Thisisonewhere,afewofmyclientshavethisandthey'resupersuccessful,it'slike,"IfIgoonstageI'lldie."
RavéMehta: Right.
DaveAsprey: Right,like,"Ihavestagefright,likeIwillnotgoinfrontofagroupofpeopleandtalk."I'mlike,"well,it'skindofwhatyoudoifyou'regoingtobeinaleadershiprole,isyouneedtobeabletotalkaboutwhatyou'redoing,andtobeabletobeinastateofflowwhenyoudoit."Thefearblockstheflowortheflowcancelsthefear.Whatdoyoutellsomeonewhowantstohackthatkindoffear?
RavéMehta: Sure.It'sfunnydidashowcalledASPIRE,whichwasdifferentthananyofmyothershows.ItwasapianoconcertcoupledwithkindoflikeaTED-likeseriesoftalks,whereIcuratedthepianopiecestothedifferenttalks.What'sdifferentaboutthisisthistimeitwasjustme.Itwascompletelyme,it'smeandamike,meandapianoandthere'snootherdistractions,there'snoPowerPoints,there'snootherdancersonstage,novisuals.Itwasraw.Intentionally,Iwaswantingtopushmyboundaries.
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It'sprobablyIwouldsayoutofeverythingI'vedone,Imean,I'vejumpedoutofplane,swamwithsharks,doveoffcliffs,ImeaneverythingI'vedoneyouknowalmosteatingbyalion,thatwasprobablythescariestthingI'veprobablyeverdone,andbecauseitwasraw.IhadtobesovulnerablethatIhadtojustexposemyselfandbewhoIwas,otherwiseitwouldn'thaveworked.
Iwouldsayforsomeonethat'sgoingonstage,thekeytobeingonstageinfrontofabunchofpeopleandbeingagreatperformeroragreat,havinggreatpresenceisvulnerability.It'ssocounterintuitivetoeverythingwe'vebeentaught.Welayerourselfwithallthesearmor,oridentities,whoweare,whowethinkweare,andafterawhileitstartstogetheavyandwestarttoblockthisqualitythatmakesusuniqueandspecial,itmakesusreal.Peoplefeelthat.Peoplecanfeelthedifferencewhensomeoneisladedwitharmorandthenwhentheyarestrippednaked.Ineverycaseaperson'smoreattractedtoapersonthat'smuchmorevulnerableandopenandauthenticthantheotherwayaround,nomatterhowamazingtheyare.
DaveAsprey: Nowthat'savery,verydeepstatement.Vulnerabilityissomethingyoushouldn'tbeafraid.Ifyou'reananimal,let'ssaythatyou'readeer.Ifyou'revulnerableyou'regoingtobeconstantlysearchingforthethreatsbecauseyouhavenodefenses.You'resayingthatforpeopletobemosteffectiveon,especiallyonastagelikethat,theyneedtobevulnerable.Howdoyou,especiallyformen,thisisreallychallenging.Ittookmeyearstolearnhowtobevulnerable.I'mprobablystillworkingonitoncertainlevelsbut,actuallyforbothgendersbutIknowmenjusthaveabiggerproblemwiththisbecauseofthewayourcultureis.Howdoyourecommendpeoplepracticebeingvulnerable?Howdoyougetintoavulnerablestateifit'snotastatethatfeelsnaturalforyou?
RavéMehta: Sure.OneofthethingsIfiguredoutiswegetintotheseflowholes.We'llbeinalife-threateningsituationorachallengethatwewanttoachieve.Wegetpresent,wegetinthemoment,we'reinastateandwedowhatweneedtodo,wegetthroughitandwecelebrateafterwardsbutnowwe'renolongerinthatstate,likeDannyWay
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whenhejumpedtheGreatWallofChina.He'sinaflowstatefromthefewjumpsandthenafterthathe'sinthehospitalbecauseheshatteredhisleg.
Howdoyousustainyourflowstate?Howdoyoulevelupyourflowstate?WasthenextquestionIhaslike,nowIknowhowtogetinflowstates.Icangettothosenomindstates,buthowdoIkeepit?That'swherevulnerability,that'swhereIfiguredoutvulnerabilitywasthepathwaytothat,becausethemoreauthenticwebecome,theclosertoourauthenticselves,thehigherourflowratelevelsupautomatically.
Thenitwentbackto,well,vulnerabilityisscarybecausewe'reafraidofgettinghurt.We'reafraidofgettinghurtinanyway,physical,emotionally,spiritually,whateversense.WhatI'lladdtothatisvulnerabilitywithawareness,withtrust.Trustisnevermeanttobeblind,inotherwordsvulnerabilityisnotmeanttobeanaïvevulnerability.It'smeanttobeavulnerabilitywithawarenessandyoucanachieveboth.
Ifyou'reawarewhichmeansyou'reinflow,thenyoucouldbeopenandstillbecompletelyhigh-performingorsafe,whateverthecaseis.Whatitdoesisitstrengthensyouremotionalimmunesystem.Wehaveourphysicalimmunesystembutwealsohaveanemotionalimmunesystemthatnevergetsexercisedifweconstantlyhaveourarmoron.Itjustgetsweaker,theminutethatarmorgetsrippedofflikeifwehavefallentoahealthcrisis,youdon'thavetheenergytoholdontothatarmoranymore.Theegojusthastomeltawaybecauseittakesalotofenergytoholdontoit.Allthoseemotionsjustgoaway.Thenyoureallyfeellikehow...Thenyoureallyvulnerable,youreallygetasenseofthat.Everyonewillgothroughahealthcrisisbecauseeveryonedies.Atsomepointtheywillexperiencesomekindofcrisisintheirlifeandtheygetasenseofthatvulnerability.It'salmostlikebydesignitwascreated.
DaveAsprey: Youobviouslydon'tknowmytranshumanistsfriends.
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RavéMehta: Iknowafew.Iknowafew.
DaveAsprey: Iimagineyoumust,whobelievethey'renotgoingtodie,whichwouldbeastateofinvulnerability,whichmeansifthatdoeshappentheymightbeinforsomeroughtimes.Isthatwhatyou'resaying?
RavéMehta: Yeah,Imeantheyhaveanexpectation.Itdependsifit'sapreferenceoranexpectation,ifwe'renottodiethat'sonethingbutlet'sassumethattheywilldielikeeveryonedoes.It'sasafeassumption.
DaveAsprey: Allright,I'mnotgoingtonamewhoitisbutoneoftheverymajorfiguresinthatfield.Imethim-
RavéMehta: RayKurzweil?
DaveAsprey: No,Iwon'tnamewhoitisbutaguyIrespectgreatly.Oneoftheoriginaltranshumanist.Imethimbeforehecalledhimselftranshumanist.We'retalkingaboutanti-agingandallthatstuffandI'mlike,"Look,we'reallgoingtodie,"andhewashorriblyoffended.I'mlike,"No,listen.Theuniversewillcometoanend,likewe'reallgoingtodie.Itdoesn'tmatterwhatyoudo,likeitisinevitablebecauseofthefactthatwethinktheuniversewillcollapsebackend."IactuallythinkIpissedhimoffbecauseofthat.It'slike,"No,really,likeIbelieveyoucanextendhumanlifetimesaverylargeamount.I'mplanningonatleast180butcomeonhere,liketheplanetwillcrumbleatsomepoint."I'mgettingofftopichere.Itookyououtofyourflowaswell.Youweregoingthroughthiswholeprocessaroundfearofdeathandwhat'sgoingtohappentherewithvulnerability,let'sgetbacktothat.
RavéMehta: Yes,IfoundthatthemorevulnerableIamthemoreflowIhaveaccessto,whichlevelsmeupmyflowstate,whichallowsmetodomore.ItgivesmemorepotentialbecauseIdon'thave,I'mnotusingthatenergytoholdontothing,tofalseidentitiesortogettooattachedtothemanymore.Ihavealltheseenergyavailableto
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methatIcanusetocreateandexploreanddiscoveranddoproductivethings,thingsthatwilllevelmeup,expandmybeing.
DaveAsprey: WhenIdoneurofeedback,likethe40yearsofZenprogramwithelectrodesandliedetectorsforsevendayswhereI'mbasicallylookingwhat'sgoingoninmybrain,youfindthatthere'saproblembecausewhenyouworkonbeinginavulnerablestate,thepartsofyourbrainthatyoudon'tnormally,youhavecontroloverunlessyou'retrainedtohavecontroloverthem,they'llimmediatelysnapyououtofvulnerablestatebecausethosepartsofyourbrain'sresponsibleforkeepingthemeatofyourbodyalive,likeit'sthemeatoperatingsystemthatdoesit.I'llbelike,"Iwanttobevulnerable,"it'slike,"Yeah,right,overmydeadbody."There'sthisinnerdialoguelikethat.Iknowsomanypeoplearesodefendedlike,howdotheycrackthroughthatdefense?Howdoyouhackthat?
RavéMehta: There'stwothingsthat,there'retwopartofthis.Let'sgobacktofearforasecond,fearandtrustandthentrust,Icoupledtrustwithawareness,andfearwithignorance.Thosearethetwosides.SayI'mwalkingdownthestreetandIseeapotholeinfrontofme.WhenIlookatapothole,InoticeditandIwalkedaroundit.Nowinthatprocess,couldhavelookedatthepotholeandbescared,"OhmyGod,whatifItripped?WhatifIslipped?WhatifIbreakmyankle?WhatifIfallandhitmyface?"OrIjustnoticedthatthere'sapotholethereandthesolutionistowalkaroundit.
Nowlet'ssaythere'sasnakeinthatpotholeandIwalkeduptoit.Nowthere'salittlemorefear-inducingelement.Thesamething,Istillwalkaroundthepothole.Thedifferenceis,inthatcaseIcouldhavebeenscared,"Whatifthatsnakebitesme?WhatIf...,"onceagain,"WhatifIslip?WhatifIfall?Whatifit'spoisonous?"OrIcouldnoticeitandbeawareofitandthenmovearoundit.
That'swheretrustandflowcomesinasyoujustknowwhattodo,becausefear,ifyouhitthefearstatesometimeswemovebackandforthbetweenfearandtrust,fearandtrust,andthat'swhatwecallhesitation.Whenyou'renothesitating...Whenyou
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hesitateyou'removingbackbetweenawarenessandparalysis,awareness-paralysis,awareness-paralysis.Fearisparalysisandtrustisawareness,butwhenyou'reafraidyou'restuck.You'restuck,youdon'tknowwhattodobutthenwhenyousnapbackintotrust,that'swhenyoumovearoundandsolve,findsolutionsforwhateverthesituationis.
Ithinkthesamethinginvulnerabilityisaformoftrust,becauseforyoutobevulnerableyouhavetotrustthatyou'regoingtobeokay.Thenwhenyou'revulnerableandyou'retrustingthenyou'reawarethat,what'sgoingonbuttheminuteyouhitsomethingandallofsuddenyouhitafearstate,youstop.Yougetparalyzedandthenthehesitations,thedancebetweenawarenessandtheparalysis.
DaveAsprey: Peoplecanfeelwhenyou'revulnerable.AllofthebestpresentationsI'veevergivenarewhenthey'relikeyoucomethroughwithoutthedefensesup,thenthere'sacertaintypeofpersonwhosensevulnerabilityandthentriestoexploitit,wecallthembullies.Theyexistinhighschoolandgradeschoolandtheyexistasadultstoo.They'retheoneswhoarealwaystearingotherpeopledowninsteadofsaying,"Idon'tagreewithyou,"it'slike,"You'reascumbag,"orwhatever.There'ssomewhat2%ofthepopulationwhoaresociopathsandstufflikethat.Whatdoyourecommendorinyourownexperiencejusthackingfear,whatdoyourecommendpeopledowhentheygointostateofvulnerabilityandtheycomeacrossoneofthesepeoplewholookstoexploitvulnerability?
RavéMehta: Sure.WhenIsayvulnerabilityIdonotimplyaweakness.
DaveAsprey: No,no,notatall.Ifyoushowupasvulnerable,liketherewillbepeoplewhoarelikethey'lltryandtakeadvantageofyou.Youdon'thavetoletthem.
RavéMehta: No,becauseyou'recreatinganattractiveforce,you'regoingtodrawpeopletoyoubecausepeopleareattractedtovulnerabilityandauthenticity,Imean,anditgoesbacktobeingaware.There's
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thisother...I'llgiveyouanexample.There'sthisotherthingItalkedaboutinASPIRE,myshow,whereItalkabouthowtotapintoflowstatesandvulnerabilityisinoneofthesetalks.Anotheroneisthepowerofyesandittalksabouthowyes,justeventhewordyes,increasesyourabilitytotapintoflowstate.Youhavemoreflowjustbysayingthewordyes.Mostpeople...Thesecondmostrecognizedwordintheworldisno,Cokeisthefirstonebutnoisthesecondone.
DaveAsprey: Really?
RavéMehta: Yes,thisistrue,atleastitwas.Idon'tknowifthatchanged.I'msureithasn'tchangedbutitmakesyouwonderthatthere'ssomanypeoplesayingno.Atleasttheworldunderstandsnobutveryfewunderstandyes.ItookthemthroughanexercisewheretheyhadtosayyesaftereverythingIsaid.Youcanseetheenergyintheroomjustincreasingyesbyyes.EveryyestheysaiditincreasebutthenItookthemthroughthesameexercisehavingthemtosaynotoeverythingIsaid.Thatfirsttimetheysaidnothegameisover.Theycanseetheextremecutoffbetweenthisbeautifuljourney,andfunjourneyandeventuallytheytookbysayingyesallthewaythrough.There'simmediateheartstop,"No,"thattheysaidandcutoffallinformationallpotentialtothemfromtheminutetheysaidno.Youcansayyes,thatis...Sayyesleadsyoutoopportunityandpotentialbutyoucansaynobysayingyes.Iwouldsayyestoyouandwecoulddointhroughanexerciseandthenyoucanaskmesomeridiculousquestion.
DaveAsprey: Allright,buttakemethroughthat.I'msurepeoplelisteningwouldlovetodothat.Bytheway,ifyou'rewatchingyou'llprobablygetmoreoutofthis.IfyouwatchonYouTubejustbecausewe'reseeingeachotherbut...Allright,whatdoIdo?Ihavetoaskyouaridiculousquestionortheotherwayaround?
RavéMehta: JustaskmewhateveryouwantmetodoorwhateveryoufeelandI'lltrytodemonstratewhatImean.
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DaveAsprey: Allright,I'mgoingtotryandbreakthisjustbecauseI'mahackeraswell.Let'ssee,doesyourmomknowthatyou'reanaccountant?
RavéMehta: Yes,shedoes.IhavefinancialaccountingclassesthatI'mtakingatschool.
DaveAsprey: Cool.Isupposedbeinganaccountantisaterribleconfessionbutitcouldhavebeendoesyourmomknowyou'reanaxmurderer?
RavéMehta: MymomknowsthatIhavenocriminalrecord.
DaveAsprey: Itdidn'tsoundlikeayes.
RavéMehta: Wellno,butthepointbeingisI'mdirectingyouinto...I'mnotsaying,"No,mymomdoesnotknowthatI'manaxmurderer."
DaveAsprey: Bynotsayingnoyou'releavingitopenandthenyou'requalifyingit,Igetwhatyou'resaying,allright.
RavéMehta: Theideaof...There'swhatIcall...Icallthisyes-ing.Yousayyestothings.Whenpeopleaskyoutodothingsoraskyoutoexplorethingsyoustartwithyesbecauseyouwanttoopenthatinformationflowtoyou.Thenwhentheystarttoaskyouthingsthatstarttofalloutofyourrealmofinterests,thenifyougetgoodatthisyoucouldsayyes,stillsayyesbutredirectthemtomovingintotherealmwhereyouareinterestedin.Whenyou'reaskingme,sayyouaskme,"Hey,canIbringyouacupofcoffeerightnow?"Clearlythat'snotpossiblebecauseI'mhereandyou'reacrossthatcoast,acrosstheothersideofcontinent,butIcansayyesnexttimeIseeyouI'llbringyouacupofcoffee.
DaveAsprey: Yes,yeswithanasterisk,Igetyouthere.
RavéMehta: Right,youcanconditionyouryesesandthenredirecttheirbehavior,butwhenyoudothatwhathappensistheyfeelvalidatedandtheybecomemuchmoreopentoyourconditions.
DaveAsprey: Howdoesthattiebacktofearandvulnerability?
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RavéMehta: Thepointbeingiswhenyouhad...Ihadasix-yearoldthatIwasmentoringandthisisoursituationset-up.Hewasfromadivorcedfamily,havealotofbuiltangerandresentment.Iputhimthroughthisemotionalselfevaluation,whereeverytimehegetsangryItoldhimtositonthecouchuntilhe'snotangryanymore,andthencomeandrejoinwhateverwe'redoing.Afterafewtimesofdoingthathestartedrecognizingwhenhe'sgettingangryhimself,tothepointwherehewouldputhimselfonthecouchandthenafterawhilehejuststoppedgettingangry.That'swithinathreeweekperiodoftime.Hebecameselfevaluativeofhisemotions,hebecameself-aware.
Nowhehadabullyinschoolandthisbullyisafemalebutshe'slikeheavierwoman,biggergirl,andshe'sbullyinghimandhisfriendsandwhatnot.Hehadsomuchconfidencetothatpointthatheactuallywenttothebullyandtoldher,"Heylook,thereasonyoudon'thaveanyfriendsisbecauseyou'resomeantoeverybodyandifyouweren'tsomeantoeverybodythenyouwouldhavemorefriends.Infact,Iwanttobeyourfriendbutyoudon'tletmebeyourfriendbecauseyou'resomean."
Nextthingyouknow,theverynextday...Hespoketruthbecausehe'svulnerabletoo.Theverynextdaythatgirlstartedbeingnicetoeveryoneandthenaweeklatertheyallwereplayingtogetherliketherewasnoproblems,likeitneverhappened.That'sanexamplefromafirstgradelevelbutfirstgradersare,they'rerough.Theycanberoughastheyimbibealltheirparentalandotherenvironmentalfactorsandtheydon'thaveafilter.Justbybeingvulnerableandbeingconfidentandspeakingtruth,Iguessinthatcase,andlettingthemknowthatyou'reagoodperson,justshowthat.Itkindofmeltedthosewallsandthenshetransformed.Itwasprettypowerful.Iwasprettyamazedthatheevenadmitthathimselfwhenhetoldusthestory.
DaveAsprey: That'sprettycool.IwanttotalkmoreaboutyourASPIREpiece,becauseyou'reoneofthefewguysthatIknowwho'stalkedaboutexpressingscientificknowledgethroughartsorbeinga
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metahuman.Talkaboutthoseconcepts,likewhydoyouneedarttoexpressscientificknowledge?
RavéMehta: BecauseIfeellikewelearnthroughstories.Imeanweimbibeinformation.Weimbibefactsandwhatever,wedon'tconnecttoitasdeeplyuntilthere'ssomekindofstorythateitherwecreateourselves,orthatwerelateto.We'repattern-searchingmachinesandwe'relookingforconnectionsessentially.Whenwelookatscientificdatathere'stwolevelsofit.There'sonethatweobserveit,asanoutsiderwenoticeitandthat'sit.Thenthereisthedatathatweactuallyexperienceandcanconnecttoandthat'swaymorevaluablethanbeingjustanobserver,becauseyoucandostuffwiththat.
Ifeellikeartisawayofbringingthatexperienceintoaconnectioninto,whateverinformationI'mtryingtocommunicateacross.Ifoundittobereallyeffective,likethegraphicnovelofNikolaTesla.That'sstoryhasbeentoldinlotsofdifferentbooksbutthewaykidsconnectedtoMosesisbecauseoftheart,thevisuals.Thevisualsbrought,andnotjustkids,adultstoo.Imean,theyvisualsiswhatattractedpeopleintothestoryandthenthestorytellsthefactsofhistory.
Ilearnedthisinthegamingindustry.Youcanbuildthebestgame,themostamazinggamewiththebestgamemechanicsbutit'stheartthatsellsyou,thathooksyouin.Onceyougethookedandthenit'sthemechanicsandtheactualgameplaythatkeepsyouthere.Idon'tknow,artsellsandthenthetruthchangesyou.Iguess,themechanicsofhowIfeel,likeweashumansabsorbandlearnandexpress.
DaveAsprey: Thebookthere,Ilovethatyouchosetodothis.Iwantedtoswitchgearsandtalkaboutthebookanyway,you'retiming'sperfect.Youwroteaboutsomethingthatveryfewpeopleknowshaped,reallymuchofourworldweknowtoday,whichisthefightbetweenNikolaTeslaandThomasEdison.Wherebasicallywe'reprettysurethat,well,TeslastolesomestufffromRoyalRifeandThomasEdisonstolesomestufffromTesla.Allthreeofthemprobably
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stolesomestufffromeachotherorthemoreenlightenedperspectiveonthatmaybeisthatwhenideascometheytypicallyemergeinatleastthreeplaces.
Alotofpeopledon'tbelievethatbutafriendofmine,MarkLemleyaStanfordLawProfessor,actuallywroteapaperdocumentingthatwithinourpatternsystemthatmanynewideasemergeinmultiplepointsjustlikeitwastimeforthemtocomeout.Onepersongotthepatternbutthere'susuallyacoupleotherpeopleworkingonit.Wehavegoodevidencethisistheway.
Anyway,wehavethesethreeguysandyouchosethetwobigones,TeslaandEdison,andtheyfoughtaboutalternatecurrentversusdirectcurrent,whichisthedumbestthingyou'deverthinkoftofightaboutunlessyou'reanengineer.Tellmewhythisisimportantandwhyyoudidagraphicnovelaboutit.
RavéMehta: That'sbecause...Itwasn'tthatspecificbattlethatIwasfocusingon,it'smoreofthehumanemotionaljourneythathehadtogothrough,thatweallgothrough.Thatstoryisreallythestoryofanycreator,artist,entrepreneur,inventor,anyonethatwantstoputanideatothisworld,evensomeonethatwantstocreateafamily,it'sstillcreation,andallthehurdlesyouhavetogothroughtogetthere.
Youhaveeconomichurdles.Youhavetheselittlehurdlesbutthemost...butthehurdlesthateverysinglepersongoesthroughisemotionalones,theupsanddownsandthenhowdoyoupersistthroughthat?Thebiggerthestakes,thehigherthosehurdlesareandthehigherthatrollercoasterofemotionalturbulenceyou'regoingtoruninto.Thenitgoesbacktofear.Ifyouknowhowtomovefromfeartotrustthenyoucouldtakethesehighamplitudeofwavesandmakeitsoftwaves,andmovethroughthatspacemuchquickerandmoreefficiently.Hisjourneywas,Ithinkofinasense,hebroughtlightpowertotheworldbutit'scompletelyrelatabletoeveryone'sjourney,whetheryou're,especiallyartists,creators,andinventorsandentrepreneurs.Ithadsomanylayers
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toitthatIjustfeltlikethatstoryhadtobetoldinthatmanylevels.
Theguyhadsome...Hehadit,Imeanitshowsthathehadadestinyandhepushedthrough.Healmostdiedwhenhewasyoung.Hehadcholeraandhisbrotherdiedfromit.Everyone'sdiedfromitbutatthelastminutehesomehowjusthadamiraculous,he'smiraculouslyhealedhimselfbecausehisfatheroncesaid,"Okay,I'llletyougotouniversity,"insteadofhisreligious,pursuinghisreligiousschooling.Allofasuddenalltheflowcamebacktohim,hejust,andithealedhim.Thathappenedseveraltimesthroughoutthestory.Healmostdiedbutsomehowhejustcontinuetomovethroughthosespaces.Ifeelthatstoryisreallyimportantonsomanylevelsthat,anditfocusthepoint...thepoint,Ithink,washishumanjourney.
DaveAsprey: ThehumanjourneyisdefinitelypowerfultoTeslaandIhavealotofhisoldpapersandstuff.I'vestudiedhiswork.Alotofpeopledon'tknowthatTeslawaslookingatbiologyaswellaselectricity.He'sfamousforhiselectricstuffbutsomeofthefirstvibratingplatformsweremadebyTesla.Infact,there'safamousstory,thisisliketheBulletproofVibe.Imanufactureavibratingplatformthat'sthegreat,great,great,greatgrandson,granddaughter,grandchildofthekindofresearchtheyweredoing,butTeslahad,ifmemoryserves,inhislabavibratingplatform.Ifyouputitdownto8hertzitwouldbasicallymakeyoupooponyourself,likeveryreliably.I'veplayedwithdifferentfrequenciesandithasaverystimulatingeffecttoputitthatway,disasterpantsfrequencies.
Hewouldactuallywarnpeoplecominginhislablike,"Don'tstayontheretoolong,don'tdothis,"like,"It'sstrong."Becausehewaslookingattheeffectofvibrationsandthere'ssoundvibrations,there'sphysicalvibrations,there'slightvibratingorparticle,wesawhimfiguredthatoneout,there'smusic,likethere'sallthesethings.ButTeslawasaboutthevibrationsasmuchashewasanythingelse.That'swhyI'vealwaysbeeninterestedinhimbecauseit'slikeelectricplusbiochemical.
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ThereasonthatIthinktheAC/DCthing,whichisthecontextforyourstoryisinteresting,isthatdirectcurrentdoesn'tcreatetheelectromagneticfieldsthatareharmfulbutalternatecurrentdoes.Therewasabigfightaround,"Dowehaveadirectcurrentelectricalgridordowehaveanalternategrid?"Theychoseonethatwaseconomicallyinterestingbutbiologicallyharmful,asfarasIcantellatthispoint.Certainlynotbiologicallyoptimal.Thedegreeofharmfulness,Idon'tknow,butitdoesn'tappeartobeideal,let'sjustputitthatway.
Iappreciatethatyouhaveputthestorytogetheraroundareallyfascinatingthingthat'saffectingpeoplebutit'sreallyaboutaninterestingperson.IsthereacoolfactaboutTeslathatnooneknowsthatyoucameacrosswhenyouweredoingthis?
RavéMehta: ThereisthisquoteIsayinASPIRE.I'mgoingtopopitbacktoASPIREalittlebit.Italkedabout,andthistome,thisreallyconnectedwithmebecauseit'sreallypowerful.Wetalkedabouthowwearethese,essentiallywe'recosmicspecstothisuniverse.Ifameteorcamein,justwipedouttheplanet,theuniversewouldn'tmissus,itwouldmoveon.Itwillcontinuetomoveonandcontinuetounfoldinthewayit'salreadydoingso.
Butthenitkindoftakesmebacktolike,"Wellthen,what'suniqueaboutus?Whyareweevenhere?What'sthepoint?"Thenitcametome...Itdidn'thitmeuntilTeslasaidthisbuthesaidthat,"Ifalltheforcesoftheuniverse,"I'mparaphrasingalittlebitbuthesaidthat,"Ifalltheforces..."No,"Accordingtothelawofconservationofenergy,youcan'tcreateenergyordestroyenergy.Thereforealltheforcesoftheuniversewillcanceleachotherouttomaintaincompletebalanceandharmonyoftheuniverse."Ifthat'strue,thentheonlythingleftisthought,andthereforeasinglethoughtcandeterminetheentiremotionoftheuniverse,becauseit'soutsideofthosephysicalmatters,outsideofthephysicsofhowtheuniversalforceswork,matter,energy,soonsoforth.
That'slike,"Wow,"ifthat'strue,asinglethought,unfortunatelyalotofourthoughtsonthisplanetcanceleachotheroutsoweend
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upwithtricklesofwhatcouldbeapowerfulthought,apowerfulcollectivethought.Butifasinglethoughthasthatmuchinfluenceonthisuniverse,ithasarippleeffect,ourthoughtcanbeheardorfeltacrosstheuniverse.What'sinterestingisweknowthisbecausewenowimplementdouble-blindexperimentsbecauseweknowthatourthoughtaffectstheoutcomeonamorelocallevel.Wehavewhatwecall,what'sthewordwhen...It'llcomebacktomebutwhen-
DaveAsprey: Therandom,therandomgeneratorkindofstufforsomething?
RavéMehta: No,no,no,likewhenwe'reina,whenweheal,liketosaywe'resickandallofasuddenwefeelbetterbecausesomeonetoldussomething.
DaveAsprey: Spontaneoushealingkindofstuff?
RavéMehta: No,it'llcomebacktome.It'sacommonwordinmedicalindustry.Theplaceboeffect.
DaveAsprey: Placebo,ofcourse.
RavéMehta: Wetalkedabouttheplaceboeffectlikeallofasuddenwebelievesomething,webelievewearebetterorwe'retakingasugarpillthat'shealingusandthenwe'rehealedessentially,atleastforthattimeframe.That'sbecauseourthoughtisaffectingyouroutcome.Unfortunately,themedicalindustryavoidorinvalidatestheplaceboeffectbutIthinktheplaceboeffectisapartofthehealingprocess.Infactit'smorepowerfulthanallthestuffwetake.
There'ssomuchresearchIcantalkaboutthatbutthere's...it'sourthought,ourthoughtandemotionalstatesareaffecting,andonceagain,they'reaffectingtheoutcomesofeverythingaroundus.Thenitgoesbacktothefearandtrust.Themoretrust,themoreweareinastateoftrust,themorepowerfulandimpactfulthosethoughtsaretomoveustoahigherfrequencyorahigherpotentialandthenvice,andthenoppositeforfear.
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WhenTeslasaidthatlike,"Wow."Wearenotonlyinsignificantcosmicallybutwe'reextremelypreciousandextremelypowerfulandinfluentialonwhathappenstotheuniverse.Itkindofreversethelensonme,like"Wow,everyperson'sthought,feeling,action,emotionmatters,andithasadirectimpactoneverythingthat'sgoingon."
DaveAsprey: TheydoindeedandoneofthethingsthatIteach,isthatit'snotenoughtowalkintotheboardroomandacttherightway,becauseitdoesn'tworkverywell.Ifyouwalkintotheboardroomandyouactedtherightway,andyouaretherightway,youfeeltherightway,you'llgetwhatyouwerelookingfor,likethingshappenthewaythey'resupposedto.Ialwaysbelievedinthemodelofifyoudotherightthing,youdowhatyou'resupposedtodoforthesituation,yougetwhatyouwant,anditturnsoutthere'smultiplelevelstoit.
Ithinkwe'rebothsayingthesamething,whetherit'sfromafield,andItendtoagreewithyou,itisfromafield,it'soneweeitherhaven'tmeasuredormaybeaninformationfield.Ifyoulookatsomeoftheverynewrandom,Idon'twanttocallthemrandom,newhighlyunusualsciencearoundinformationfielddensity,there'sprobablysomethinginthereaboutit.Buthonestly,Ihaven'tstudiedenoughtoknow,butIdoknowthatinthepracticeofdoingwhatIdoasanentrepreneurandadadandalltheotherstuff,likeyou'vegottohavethebehaviorandtheinnerpartinalignment,otherwisethingsdon'tmove.
RavéMehta: Youhavetohavethatpresenceofmind.
DaveAsprey: That'showthingshappen.
RavéMehta: Right.
DaveAsprey: That's,ofcoursechallengingtoteachasyouknow,becauseyou'reayogateacherwhere,findingwhetheryoucanstandononelegandcloseyoureyesandalltheotherthingsthatyoudoinyoga.
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RavéMehta: Youknowthat'sfunnyyousaythat.WhenIfoundawayIteachinwhatIfoundtobemosteffectiveastoallowthemtoexperiencethedifferences.Likethatyesexample,whereItookthemthroughtheyesjourneyandItookthemthroughthenojourney,whichwasaveryshortjourney,theyimmediatelyfeltthedifference.Ididn'thavetoexplainanything,theyjustknewandapplaudedasaresult.It'sveryobvious.WhatIteach,andeventhatsixyearoldItoldyouabout,Iwaslettinghimdiscoverwhenhewasindifferentemotionalstatesandbecomeawareofthat.
Thiswholefearjourney,expeditionI'vebeenchasingforthelast,overadecadenow,allI'vereallydoneisputmyselfintostatesthatwhereIfeltlikeI'llbeconfrontingfearforme.ObservemyemotionsasI'mconfrontingitandthenasI'mnotconfrontingit.LookattheDeltathedifferencebetweenthetwoandseewhatischangingandthenfindingthepatternbetweenthat.That'showIunraveledalotofthesethingsthatI'mwritingaboutnow.It'sreallypointingoutthedifferences.Ifsomeonecan't,exactly,they'renotequippedortrainedtoidentifythoseinternallythenit'sjustpointingit,pointingthemtolookthere.Thentheystartlearningreallyfastandonceagain,oncetheystartfiguringhowtonoticethedifferencesandemotionalthoughtstatestheycouldlearnanythingatthatpoint.
Thatsixyearold,hisfirstdayatfirstgradehe'slearningsingledigitaddition,2+1=3.AttheendoffourmonthsIspentprobablyanhour,aneveningwiththemforlikefournightsaweek.Igotthemuptobasicalgebra.Hewassolvingequations2/3x+195=268,andsolvingforXandthengraphingit.Doingallsortsofmath.Heknewhissquares,hissquareroots.Heknewprettymucheverythinguptobasic,whatwouldnormallybelikesixthuptoeightgradelevelinfourmonths.
That'sbecauseIwasteachinghimpatterns,patternrecognitionandinternalprocessing,andinternalDeltaidentification.Thatjustopeneduptolearningmorelanguagesandeverythingelsejuststartedgettingbetter.Hestartedimbibingmoreconfidence
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withhimself,talkingtobullies,allsortsofcool,interestingthingsstarttohappen.
DaveAsprey: It'samazingwhatIthinkconfidencewilldo.We'recomingupontheendoftheshow,Ravé,andIwanttoaskyouthisquestion.Ithinkyouhaveauniqueperspectiveonit.ThisoneI'veaskedeveryguestsinmorethan250episodes,sonopressure.Doingallthestuffyouknoworallyourexperiences,ifsomeonecametoyoutomorrowandtheysaidlike,"Iwanttoperformbetterateverything,likeIwanttokickassandwhateveritisIwanttodo.WhatarethethreemostimportantthingsIneedtoknow?"Whatwouldyousay?
RavéMehta: Iwouldsay,andIactuallyjusthadthisquestion.IcantellyoutheresultbutIwouldsay,one,focusontrust.Startexercisingyourtrust.Youcandothisbyvariousways,sayyes,startingwiththewordyes,andsoandsoforth.Two,findwhatyoureallycareabout.Trytostartoffwithyourauthenticselffromthebeginning,insteadofmovingintothesespaceswhereyoufeellikeotherpeoplewantyoutodosomethingelse.Figureoutwhatyoureallycareabout,passionateabout,becausethesooneryougetthere,that'swhenyourlifereallybegins.Everythingelseisjustajourneytostartyourlife.Onceyoufigurethatoutyouhaveareallyfuntimeaheadofyou.
Thenthree,Iwouldsaywouldbetrytounderstandpeopleandthat's...everythinghastodowithinteractingwithpeopleortheenvironment,whateveryou'reinteractingwith,trytounderstand.Firstisjudgeandassessandwhatnot,becausethemoreyouunderstandthemoreknowledgeyougainandthemoreappreciationyouhave.Thatallfallsinthattrustrealm.Itjustmovesyounaturallytotrustandthemorepoweryouhave,becauseyoucan't,it'sveryhardtodirectthingsormanagethingsintoorcreatethingswithoutunderstandingwhatalltheotherelementsare.Wearesoquicktojudgeandassessthat,whichisafear-drivenemotionthatwemissedoutonsomuchinlife.
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Iwouldsaythosethreethings.I'dsay,learntotrust.Figureoutwhatyou're...what'smostauthentictoyou,you'repassionateabout.Allthatstuffwillchangeovertimebutkeepfollowingthat,keeptrackingthatandtrytounderstand.
DaveAsprey: Cool.Thanksforsharingthatandnowshareacouplemorethings.Youhaveanewshow,ASPIRE,youhaveFlow,whichispremiering,andyouhaveyourbookaboutTesla.Wherecanpeoplefindoutmoreaboutyourwork?GivemesomeURL.
RavéMehta: Sure.TheInventorSeriesistheTeslagraphicnovelandI'mdevelopingothergraphicnovelsasaseries,asapartofthat,flowtheshow.comisfortheupcomingshow,whichiskindoflikeyogacrosscirquedusoleiltomypianoconcert.ThentheASPIREshow.comistheURLforASPIRE,whichisoneagainapianoconcertcuratedtoaseriesinTED-styletalksallaroundunlockingthesecretsofhumanpotential.
DaveAsprey: Beautiful.Awesome.ThanksforbeingonBulletproofRadio.Itotallyappreciateit.
RavéMehta: Thankyou.Great,it'sfun.
DaveAsprey: Ifyouenjoyedtoday'sepisode,domeafavor,gooutandcheckoutRavéMehta'swork.It'sprettyinterestingstuff,andwhenhisbookonhackingfearcomesout,I'mprettysureit'sgoingtobeaninterestingread.Becausewhetheryoureallyknowthisornot,thereasonyourprocrastinate,thereasonyoudon'tdothethingsthatyouwanttodo,isoftentimesfear,butit'snotthekindoffearthatyoucaneasilyseeorrecognize,butit'sintheirsomewhere.
Ifyouspendyourtimehackingyourfearinonewayoranother,includingthewaysRaveabout,well,youwillkickmoreassandthat'swhattheshowisallabout.Haveanawesomeday.
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