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THE INDEPENDENT STUDENT NEWSPAPER OF THE UNIVERSITY OF TORONTO FACULTY OF LAW
NOVEMBER 26 2014 | ULTRAVIRES.CA
35%of students said their
financial situation (i.e. debt load) influenced
which employer they chose to apply to
62%of students
who applied to at least one job
got an offer
66%of students were
satisfied with the outcome
of the process
Toronto Fall Recruitment Special 2014
RELIEVEDI honestly found the process much less cutthroat than I was led to believe
Like a weight has been taken off my shoulders
Exhausted and dazed, but could not be happier
Relieved that it's over and couldn't be more excited to have a job with the firm I'm going to summer at... I got what I wanted
Excited to get started
Exhausted
Glad it is over and looking forward to never having to go through it again
Not sure where it all went wrong
Disappointed with TO approach. It felt very artificial, rushed, manipulative
—like terrible speed-dating. New York just felt like... job interviews.
It's not the end of the world, but it is rather dispiriting
Drained and slightly bitter
Unhappy
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Job Distribution by Firm and SchoolFIRM TOTAL
STUDENTSU OF T OSGOODE WESTERN QUEENS OTTAWA MCGILL WINDSOR DALHOUSIE OTHER
Aird & Berlis 8 2 2 1 2 1
Baker & McKenzie 4 1 1 1 1
Bennett Jones LLP 13 4 2 3 1 1 2
Bereskin & Parr 3 2 1
Blake, Cassels & Graydon, LLP 32 13 8 1 1 1 4 2 2
Blaney McMurtry LLP 7 2 2 1 1 1
Borden Ladner Gervais LLP 20 6 4 2 2 3 2 1
Brauti Thorning Zibarras LLP 2 1 1
Cassels Brock & Blackwell LLP 12 2 3 1 2 2 2
Dale & Lessmann LLP 1 1
Davies Ward Phillips & Vineberg LLP 17 3 5 4 1 1 1 1 1
Davis LLP 4 1 1 1 1
Dentons LLP 12 4 1 2 2 1 1 1
Dickinson Wright LLP 2 1 1
Dimock Stratton LLP 2 2
Edward H. Royle and Associates 2 2
Fasken Martineau DuMoulin LLP 12 2 1 2 1 1 2 3
Filion Wakely Thorup Angeletti LLP 4 1 1 1 1
Fogler, Rubinoff LLP 6 1 2 2 1
Gardiner Roberts LLP 3 1 1 1
Gilbert's LLP 1 1
Goodmans LLP 14 5 4 2 2 1
Gowling Lafleur Henderson LLP 15 2 4 3 1 2 2 1
Hicks Morley Hamilton Stewart Storie LLP
5 1 3 1
Koskie Minsky LLP 4 2 1 1
Legal Aid Ontario 21 3 1 2 1 2 3 2 7
Lenczner Slaght Royce Smith Griffin LLP
4 1 1 1 1
McCarthy Tetrault LLP 23 4 4 4 4 0 2 2 1 1
McMillan LLP 12 3 1 3 1 3 1
Miller Thomson LLP 9 5 1 1 1 1
Ministry of The Attorney General —Crown Law Office—Criminal (Toronto, ON)
7 4 1 1 1
Ministry of the Attorney General —Family Responsibility Office
3 1 1 1
Norton Rose Fulbright Canada LLP 19 5 2 4 2 1 1 1 1 2
Osler, Hoskin & Harcourt LLP 25 8 6 3 1 2 5
Paliare Roland Rosenberg Rothstein LLP
3 2 1
Reisler Franklin 5 1 1 3
Rueter Scargall Bennett LLP 1 1
Shearman & Sterling LLP 1 1
Skadden, Arps, Slate, Meagher & Flom LLP
3 1 1 1
Smart & Biggar 2 1 1
Stikeman Elliott LLP 24 8 4 1 5 2 2 2
Thorsteinssons LLP—Tax Lawyers 0
Torkin Manes, LLP 3 1 1 1
Torys LLP 19 5 5 4 3 1 1
WeirFoulds LLP 6 1 2 1 1 1
Wildeboer Dellelce LLP 4 1 1 1 1
TOTAL 399 97 83 48 46 35 27 26 15 21
Approx class size (based on 2013 OLSAS/LSAC first year registrants)
1135 (Ontario)
194 306 176 173 390 174 228 170 7171
Approx % of Class with Toronto Fall Recruitment jobs
50.00% 27.12% 27.27% 26.59% 8.97% 15.52% 11.40% 8.82% 2.79%
2013 total 351 94 75 44 43 30 13 23 13 16
2012 total 379 89 89 43 43 39 18 28 14 16
2011 total 403 96 83 53 47 36 27 27 18 16
2010 total 444 104 99 55 43 44 25 44 15 15
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Seven Sisters Stats
Last year’s cover!
Firms with biggest changes in summer students numbers (keep in mind these firms will likely be participating in the 1L recruit this year):
Osler: 17 25 = 47% increase Stikes: 18 24 = 33% increase Davies: 13 17 = 30% increase Cassels: 17 12 = 29% decrease Blakes: 37 32 = 13.5% decrease
39% of total students hired are at Seven Sisters (131)
30% of students hired at Seven Sisters are from U of T (46)
13 STUDENTS
40% OF HIRES
BLAKES
STIKES
8 STUDENTS33% OF HIRES
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8 STUDENTS32% OF HIRES
Firm with highest number
of U of T students hired
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What Helps You Get an Offer? We delved into the survey results to determine what factors had a significant effect on the probability of getting a job offer. Here we present to you factors that seem to be significantly helpful, factors that are significantly harmful, dubiously harmful, and then, those factors that just plainly don’t do anything.
100%of JD/MBA
respondents who applied
got a job (5/5)
76%of students with offers
had some kind of contact with the
employer before the recruitment process
even started
Firms v
Government
Of the students who applied to firm jobs, over
56%
received and accepted an offer
Of the students who applied to
government jobs, over
33%
received and accepted an offer
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80%of those with
4+ Hs participating in the process got an offer
62%of U of T students
who applied to at least one OCI
job got an offer
75%of those with
4+ HHs participating in the process got an offer
49%of those with
4+ Ps participating in the process got an offer
43%of those with any LPs participating
in the process got an offer
49%of those with
0 HHs participating in the process got an offer
Do grades matter?*
*These are hard categories. I.e. Neither the 4+ HHs category nor 4+ Hs would include someone with 3 Hs and 3HHs.
SPECIAL FEATURE
“The evils the law society rules were intended to correct have simply morphed
into something more insidious. The process is dominated by nudges and code
words. The impossibility of clear expression and the tight time-frame of in-firms
make for a very harrowing and opaque process.”
“Indirect pressure to get a sense of my intentions (ex: consistently asking me at a
reception ‘is there anything else you need to know to make your decision’). As a
result I felt a lot of pressure to explicitly say they were my first choice, especially
after hearing horror stories about students not getting a job without saying those
magic words.”
“If someone tells you a firm really
cares about hearing "first choice", be-
lieve them. I heard this about one of
my top choices, but they seemed so
nice that I thought it wasn't necessary
if I expressed enough interest. Totally
not true. A friend was interviewing at
the same firm and she used a lot more
language very similar to first choice
and they called her mid-afternoon
Wednesday to confirm that they were
her first choice. She eventually caved
and told them they were her first choice, but I have no doubt that if she had not,
there would have been no offer. At the end of the day, they completely lead you
on and don't feel bad about it at all if you don't tell them they're your first choice.”
For goodness' sake, tell a firm they're your #1—they may still not give you an offer
but reading between the lines after speaking with the student directors, I know of
at least 2 firms who quite simply took me out of the running because I didn't tell
them I loved them.
Look out for number one. Tell every firm they are your top choice. I didn't and it
hurt me in the short term, but probably the right choice in the long term.
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Class Profile
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SPECIAL FEATURE
The CDO What you had to say about the CDO
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76%of students who
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DO YOU HAVE ANY COMMENTS ON YOUR CDO’S SERVICES?
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The Process
ONE PIECE OF ADVICE FOR NEXT YEAR:
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The majority of students who were eligible for OCIs, but didn’t participate, had already obtained a job, either through the 1L recruitment process (14 people), or through the NY recruit (9).
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Firm Behaviour and LSUC Compliance
“One smaller boutique firm told me at the end of the interview that I would likely receive an offer, then
called me on Tuesday and basically said I would receive an offer. They didn't pressure me to accept
before the offer period, but did pressure me to respond quickly either way so they could find someone
else, which I thought was fair enough.”
BESIDES LSUC VIOLATIONS, DID YOU OBSERVEANY OTHER INAPPROPRIATE BEHAVIOUR?
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WHAT WERE THE MOST INAPPROPRIATE, AWKWARD, OR UNEXPECTED QUESTIONS YOU RECEIVED?
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IF YOU WITNESSED ANY LSUC VIOLATIONS, PLEASE DESCRIBE:
9 students reported offers communicated prior to 5pm on Wednesday
8 students reported indirect or borderline rule-breaking
7 students reported that they were asked where the firm stands
6 felt aggressively pressured to indicate where else they were interviewing
5 felt pressure to commit prior to offer day
3 told that students who did not say “first choice” would not be considered for offers
23%of U of T students
witnessed employersbreaking LSUC rules
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Other: 10/262 = 4%
“Prestige”
“Debt”
“I really need money to help pay off school”
“I want to pay off my interest- accumulating student debts”
“Wanted to have a job lined up for articling”
“I wanted the prestige and income that comes with a Toronto firm job.”
“Make money”
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