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I. Introduction

STATEMENT OF MARGARIT1FLORES -JUNE 4, 2009

lvfy name is ivfargariio Fiores. I have testiped before this grand jury on a of prior occasions. I am giving this statement freelyfd voluntarily, pursuant to proth:r letters with the United States Attorney's Offices for t e Eastern District of Wisconsin and the Northern District of Illinois. I have read this st tement carefully and have been given an opportunity to go over it with my attorney and t make changes. This statement is just a summary and does not contain every detail I about the drug trafficking activities in which I have participated. If asked additional tuestions, I could provide more detail. As with my previous statements and as I will discu s in greater detail later in this statement, although no promises have been made to me rega ding my cooperation or the sentence I will ultimately receive, I am cooperating with the gov rnment in the hope of receiving a reduced sentence in a federal case where I have been indlcted on federal narcotics charges.

As I have testified previously, since apploximately 1998, my twin brother, Pedro Flores (who I will generally refer to in this tatement as "Pedro"), and I have been

.... ... : a:•u .1 ua.vv pa..t u:c a.uu .w tut..:.:; perrorm onrerent roles, we are generally aware j each other's activities an<1 we cooromate our business together. Throughout this state ent, I will refer to our drug-trafficking organization as the "Flores DTO." In terms ofo operation in Chicago, Illinois and the rest of the United States, Pedro held the primary res onsibility. I was primarily responsible for coordinating the receipt of drugs from our of supply in Mexico. This statement wiii talk about our drug trafficking in general, but will focus primarily on our interactions with two of our primaty sources of supply, Joaquin (who I know as "El Chapo" or "Chapo Guzman"), and members of his orga ization, and Ismael Zambada-Garcia (who I know as "El Mayo" or "Mayo Zambada"), an members of his organization.

cocaine in Chicago. By approximately 1999, Pedro and I had expande our business and were selling wholesale quantities of cocaine to a large customer base hroughout Chicago. From approximately 2000 through 2008, we steadily increased the vdlume of our business, which I will describe later in detail. From 2006 through 2008, we wle coordinating, at its peak, the distribution in Chicago to our customer base of approxima ly 1500 to 2000 kilograms of cocaine per month. From approximately 2000 to 2007, ur Mexican sources of supply primarily delivered cocaine to us in Chicago. Beginning i approximately late 2006, we expanded our business and began also receiving cocaine in Mhico and Los Angeles. When we received cocaine in place; other than Chic;go, this cocainf was generally in tractor trailers

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with hidden compartments, or "traps," located inEe roof. These same trap compartments were used to transport money from the sale of e cocaine. In addition to these tractor trailers, we also used freight trains to transport ocaine. Although we had customers in several cities. most of the time the cocaine that P dro and I distributed in the United States

in the Chicago area.

B. Move to Mexico

In approxhTiatcl/' late 2003, I went to on vacation. Once I vvas there, I decided that it would be better slay than go back to Chicag and from that point on, I lived in Mexico. Shortly thereafter, Pedro made a similar move an joined me in Mexico. Before Pedro left Chicago, we made arrangements to continue selli g cocaine in the United States by setting

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C. Summary of the Structure of the ores DTO

In trafficking vve ':ith groups ot people. !he t1rst group was our soufes ot supply ot cocame anCI nerom m Mexico. These individuals obtained large quantiti s of cocaine, heroin, marijuana, and other narcotics in Mexico and we obtained large shipme1 ts of drugs from them that we in turn sold in the United States. The second group was our " orkers" or "crew" in the United States, individuals who, at our direction, took delivery shipments of cocaine and heroin and distributed those drugs to our customer base, turn received, packaged and returned large amounts of money to us in Mexico. These in ividuals worked at our direction, and we paid them to provide these services to us. The th" d group was our wholesale customers in the United States. Pedro and I maintained approxi ately 30 large customers for cocaine and heroin in the United States in eight principal cities I Chicago, New York, Washington, D.C., Philadelphia, Cincinnati, Columbus, Detroit, ald Los Angeles. We also had a large wholesale customer in Vancouver, Canada. Whe we took delivery of a load of cocaine, on almost all occasions we either took delivery in C icago, or took delivery elsewhere in the United States and arranged to have the drugs tran ported to Chicago, where we distributed the drugs to our customers. We maintained several warehouses and "stash houses" in Chicago and other cities where our crew unloated shipments of drugs for delivery to customers, and then in tum counted and package money from payments for those drugs. Generally, we made deposits of money to our Me ican sources of in supply in Chicago or Los Angeles for drugs that we received in the Uni · ed States. I am aware that these deposits were then transoorted to Mexico. hecause in mod instHnces. one of onr workers wm;lcl P"O

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money was correct. For drugs that we received in Mexico, we generally made money deposits in Mexico. Regardless of where we deposited the money, from my conversations with our sources of supply, I am aware that the. was ultimately transported to our Mexica..11 sources of supply. ! understood that all the money deposited to our sources of supply that was collected from our customers and to .M:exico was provided to our sources of supply in order to perpetuate our drug rraJmcKmlg

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2. In approximately 2005, I met a man

Alfredo's last name. I was introduced to AI already known him for several months. The

Unknown ("Alfredo" and-

I know as "Alfredo." I do not know by my brother Pedro. My brother had

time that I met him was in a hospital in Guada!aj ara, Vlhile Alfredo was recovering from · c surgery. Alfredo told me that hew as a lifelong friend ofChapo's and that he is Chapo s son Alfredo's godfather. I understood from conversations with Alfredo that he Chapa with some of Chapa's logistical matters. On behalf of Chapa, on certain occas Alfredo organized the transportation of cocaine from Colombia to Mexico in involved in the transportation of cocaine from Colombia to in submruines and used to evade law enforcement and the miiitary moving cocaine across the open and facilitated the transportation of cocaine in

Shortly after I met Alfredo, I also met his wife - I believe that - 's name is the same as Alfredo's, however, I do know what it is. I have been shown #6, which is a photograph of - · - worked with her husband in transporting both cocaine and cocaine proceeds. Together wi - Alfredo handled the logistics of transporting large shipments of bulk from drug proceeds, including the transportation of payments made to Chapo by his and payments made by Chapo to his sources of supply. In addition, Alfredo - exchanged money from the currency of one nation to another.

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In late 2006 or early 2007, Pedro and I "'"'1-t• .. ,ri into an agreement with Alfredo and his wife - to establish a series of companies would allow us to more easily move cocaine throughout the United States. At this Pedro and I were moving almost all of tl}e. cocaine that we distributed in semi -trucks and with trap compartments in the roof \Vhile this system worked very well for us, we to have a back-up plan or insurance policy to supplement the trucks. Alfredo had ly told Pedro and I that he was involved with a train company in the 1990's, as as early 2000's, with a person that I knew as - . Due to Alfredo's prior in dealing with the trains, Pedro and I thought that he would be a good person to regarding our idea to branch out into train transportation. Pedro and I decided to invest $600,000 with Alfredo and

to set up an importing business and a company. We understood that the companies would be legitimate and would import and sell goods; however; the real purpose for these companies was to serve as a that would allow us to transport cocaine by train.

Pedro and I told Alfredo that we were to invest money and wished to use the to be responsible for running the

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agreed that, in addition to providing the $600,000 start up money, t.l:tat we would also pay Alfredo and - a fee each time we used the · . On average, we paid Alfredo and - approximately $1000 per kilogram of e that we moved by train. While Pedro and I did not participate directly in making deci for the businesses, Alfredo and -would occasionally ask us for our advi.ce and let us know what on with the companies. After the was started we ed that Alfredo and - had hired a man they referred to as Pedro and I knew three brothers who participated in setting up the companies. was-· While I met all three brothers at one point, I I have been shown Exhibit #7, which is a photograph ·of brothers were in charge of loading and unloading the trains at the warehouses near the lines that Alfredo and- had set up. Once this operation was up and running, we using it to transport cocaine from Los Angeles to Chicago in the walls of rail cars. The load that we moved was in late 2007.

In approximately October or November 08, Pedro and I arranged to have 200 kilograms of cocaine transported from Los to Chkago using the train system that we set up with Alfredo and - On November 3, 2008, Alfredo,-

- and others came to visit Pedro and I at ' s house in Guadalajara. While Alfredo was at Pedro's house, we discussed many things, .... .................. 1"-. the load of cocaine that we were currently moving with the train, one of the 74 airplanes that Chapo uses to transport Cocal'ne " 1hl'"h A 1f' .... AA n .. n-ant'7<:>A ., ..... d an . ,,.,,A ,..,+"""a; ... .,. 1"'1--apo V"3S bn'no1n"" ..... ' Vl .to "" .. J..L.&."''U-'-' u.t' 1 .&.VUU VL '"'V\.1 J..l l ...... ""'JJ. r' J. 11.01 J.S

from Colombia in a submarine that Alfredo, Pedro and I had all invested in. Pedro recorded

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.... this conversation by placing a digital recording device in ·m5' pocket. I have had the opportunity to listen the recordings contained on a CD labeled "Recorded I have initialed the. exhibit sticker. On this CD are true an recordings that Pedro and I made, including a conversation that Alfre o, - Pedro, and I had on approximately November 3, 2008. I also recorde a portion of this conversation as well on a cell phone.

At the time that Alfredo first came to my ouse, the only cocaine that I was aware was in transit in the train ·was the 200 kilograms be onging to Pedro and I. However, during our conversation, Alfredo informed me that he had placed an additional76 kilograms of his own cocaine into the same train car. Alfredo and me that he was running very short on money and asked if we would be willing t purchase these 76 kilograms. I told him that we would only purchase the cocaine if we cou d agree to a price that would allow Pedro and me to make enough of a profit from the cocai e to make it worth taking on the risk of

Pedro and I agreed to purchase the load of76 kilos f cocaine for approximately $2,166,000, which worked out to $28,500 per kilo. Approxim ely one week later, the train carrying the cocaine arrived at Alfredo's warehouse in Chicag_[ I sent my workers to provide Alfredo's

Once the train arrived in Chicago, Alfredo's worke s loaded the t-vfurano and called Pedro to tell him that the kilos were ready to e picked up. Pedro and I then called our UTf"'rlrPr r .. 'PPrP'7 <.>nrl tnlrl him tr. 1'l"''<>t>t A !h-ariA' U.TA.-lr<>r<' <>t" 1\JfPVll"an l"PgtallT''.>nt lf"'r"!ltPrl TT'-".&..1.11...,_..._ ......,_U'""'-L ..&. '-"'..L"""'LJ 'LV.l'-& .1..1.• .J....ol. \.V--_J,._,L.I.""'-' .J. J..LL.l.'-"U.V 1 YlV.L.I,'l.."-".1..., \.41.- "_-""_.J.v.a .. •v A..l. .L....- ILo.._..\..6-.L'IA.L..I."' ... ......,_'-"'-"-'-+

near I 59th Street. A short time later, I talked to who confirmed that he picked up the 276 kilos.

During the same conversation on approxim tely November 3, Alfredo also explained to Pedro and me the specifics ofhow Chapa's airpl ne operation worked to transport cocaine from Central and South America to Mexico. This lwas not the first time that Alfredo talked to us about the airplane. Essentially, Alfredo that Chapo had multiple 74 7 aircraft that he used for this purpose. Alfredo explained at the 747s were cargo planes with no seats in the body of the aircraft. Chapo would arr nge to have a shipment of clothing sent to Central or South America as oart of a humanita ian aid oroiect. Once the olanes landed in Central or South America, clothing ".vas a.;d ;p to 13 tons of cocaine was loaded onto the plane for the return trip to The planes would land at Mexico City International Airport and Chapo would then use h s contacts to have the cocaine offloaded from the planes and get the cocaine out of the airp rt. Alfredo explained specifically about

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In addition to her involvement in the train anies,-also was involved in the transportation of bulk currency from Chicago Los Angeles to Mexico. For a fee of approximately 3 to 7 percent of the money guarantee that she would transport money safely from one location another. From my conversations with - I know that she was aware that the money she transported was proceeds from the sales of drugs and that - was transporting money in order the drug conspiracy in which we were all involved. We money through- transportation system approximately dozens oftimes. The that she transported on our behalf ranged from shipments of approximately $100,000 up to dollars. - told me that she transported the money by both cars and anes. When large sums of money were being transported, - would use private to move the money.

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Narcotics Trafficking with the Chapo

A. Means and Methods ofNarcotics Mayo Zambada Cartels

n and Mayo Zambada Cartels

actions with the Chapo Guzman and

Through Pedro's and my discussions wnn 1v1ayo, Juancho, Olivares, Vicente Zambada, Alfredillo, and others, beginning with our face to face meetings in May 2005, Pedro and I agreed with Chapa and Mayo and lieutenants that they would supply Pedro and me with cocaine in the United States and, with heroin. Vlhile it would V&J' from transaction to transaction, we agreed that Chapa Mayo would be "'responsible" for the cocaine until it arrived in a certain location, and Pedro and I would be "responsible'' for it from that location until it was sold to our in the United States. In general, in our dealings with both Chapo and Mayo, we responsible for the cocaine in Chicago (although, starting in early 2008, we also occas took possession of the cocaine in Los Angeles and then transported it to Chicago). and Mayo bore the responsibility for having the cocaine or heroin cross the U.S. border. Due to the fact that we generally took receipt of narcotics in the United States, the er in which Chapo and Mayo crossed the narcotics into the United States was not part of our general dealings with Chapa and Mayo and not of our concern. When I say that or Mayo or I would be ''responsible" for the cocaine, what I mean is that when Chapa Mayo was responsible for the cocaine, if somethin!!: haooened to it. such as a theft or a bv law enforcement. Pedro and I

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would not have to pay for the cocaine. When and I were responsible for the cocaine, we would have to pay Chapo or Mayo regardless whether we actually sold the cocaine to our customers or lost it in some way. Essentially, was responsible for the cocaine at any given point bore the risk of losing the The location used to determine who would be responsible for the cocaine, was also to determine the price of the cocaine. Cocaine, and all drugs, essentially have a value that heavily depends on the

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I geographic location. For example, a kilogram may have a wholesale value of $18,000 in Guadalajara, Mexico, but that same kil gram of cocaine could have a wholesale market value of $30,000 in Chicago. Unlike our lationship with ABL, which I discussed previously, in which 've generally acquired t..1J.e cocfine in Mexico and bore responsibility for its tra11sportation across the border, Chapo and generally supplied us with cocaine in Chicago and Los Angeles, and thus we paid a hig er price.

Chapo, Mayo, Juancho, Olivares, Vicen e, Alfredillo, and others used a similar system when transporting payment for the shipme ts of cocaine and heroin. As I previously discussed, when Pedro and I sold cocaine to our cuhomers in the United States, we collected payment in form of U.S. Currency. We then cololidated that currency, packaged it, and transported it in bulk back to our sources of sup ly in Mexico. Chapo, Mayo, Juancho, Olivares, Vicente, Alfredillo and I agreed thatPedr and I would deliver payment for cocaine loads in the form of bulk currency, which we enerally transferred to their couriers in Chicago and Los ... I am-aware.that was delivered to safe ho .. uses belonging to Chapo and Mayo's organization and en transported Chapo and Mayo through their transportation networks. I am aware hat these deposits to Mexico, because in most instances, one of our workers wo ld go to stash houses belonging to Chapo and Mavo's onmnizations in Mexico to verifv t M the count of the monev was correct.

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I understood that all of the money deposited to our ources of supply that was collected from our customers and transported to Mexico was p ovided to Chapo and Mayo in order to perpetuate our drug trafficking activities. I

During the course of our business with Chapo and Mayo, I became aware of many of their respective organizations' mean and methods of importing cocaine to Mexico from Colombia, and then further exportin that cocaine from Mexico to the United States. I learned of these means and methods om conversations with Chapo, Mayo, Juancho, Olivares, Vicente Zambada and Alfrbdillo, and in certain instances, from investments that my brother and I made in loads Chapa's and Mayo's organization. It was fairly typical that my brother and I would e informed of the progress of cocaine shipments from Colombia to Mexico and the met ods that the organizations were using to transport those shipments. Pedro and I often ha alreadv acreed to ourchase significant

many instances, we would be invited to inspect I ge shipments of cocaine upon its arrival in Mexico, to inspect the quality and select portio s that we wished to buy.

Among other methods, I am personallyj aware that Chapo, Mayo, and their organizations used 7 4 7 cargo planes to import to1-quantities of cocaine from Central and South America to Mexico. I am also aware that C apo, Mayo, and their organizations used

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smaller airplanes, submarines, tractor trailers fishing vessels, go-fast boats, buses, trains, and first from Central and South America to Mexi

trap compartments, container ships, onal automobiles to transport cocaine,

and then from Mexico into the United States. I am also aware that Chapo an.d Mayo I used a nenvork of tunnels to transport narcotics into the United States.

I am also personally aware of many other means and methods used by Chapo and Mayo's organization in order to secure the safe sage of drugs from Colombia, through Mexico, and into the United States.

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In total, since 1998, Pedro and I were resp kilograms of cocaine from Chicago and els

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authorities or stolen, all of this cocaine was io our customers. In the spring of 2008, I began the process of my cooperation have been cooperating ever since. In addition, although I am not cooperating in for any benefits received, the federal government has provided some assistance in my family from Mexico to the United States. no have been made 1 to me regarding my cooperation, I am cooperatmg m hopes or receivmg a reduced in a tederal case where I have been indicted on federal narcotics charges. With assistance from the DEA and U.S.

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Attorney's Office, Pedro and I moved our wives, tr children, our brother and his wife and children, our two sisters and their children, our fat er, our mother, and the mother of two of my children. I knew that once the people I ha e talked about today found out I was c.ooperating, they would try to kill me and my familt . As far as I k_now, nobody knows where my family is living a..!d r ru1i being kept in protec•f.ve custody.

This statement is an accurate and truthful s mary to the best of my recollection. It does not describe everything that I know about th events described or other events that are not described.

Signed:

Dated: June 4, 2009

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I. Introduction

STATEMENT OF PEDRO tLORES -JUNE 4, 2009

..... • ...... • ........ .... ',,,_ •• ,.. .•• ,. 1 ____ 1:" My name IS l'earo t Jores. 1 nave oerore rms grana JUry on a numoer ot occasions. I am giving this statement freely pursuant.to proffer letters with the United States Attorney's Offices for the Ea tern District of Wisconsin and the Northern District of Illinois. I have read this statement c refully and have been given an opportunity to go over it with my attorney and to make ch gcs. This statement is just a summary and does not contain every detail I remember about the drug trafficking activities in which I have participated. If asked additional questions, I provide more detail. As with my previous statements and as I will discuss in greater detail later in this statement, although no promises have been made to me regarding my cooperati n or the sentence I will ultimately receive, I am cooperating with the government in the hop of receiving a reduced sentence in a federal case where I have been indicted on federal narbotics charges.

As I have testified previously, since 1998, my twin brother, Margarita Flores (who I will generally refer to in this tatement as "Margarita"), and I have been

the of O.fco:ain.e eJsewnere. JVmrgarno ana 1 nave acrea as m we urug <tuu wr111to wt: <;<to.;ll perform different roles, we are generally awarlof each other's activities and we coordinate our business together. Throughout this stat ment, I will refer to our drug-trafficking organization as the "Flores DTO." In terms of ur operation in Chicago, Illinois and. th. e rest of the United States, I held the primary respons'bility. Margarito was primarily responsible for coordinating the receipt of drugs from our of supply in Mexico. This statement will talk about our drug trafficking in will focus primarily on our interactions with two of our primary sources of supply, J aquin Guzman-Loera (who I know as "El Chapo" or "Chapo Guzman"), and members of is organization, and Ismael Zambada-Garcia (who I know as "el Mayo" or "Mayo Zambad '),and members of his organization.

appr::::::: cocaine in Chicago. By approximately 1999, Margarito and I had exp ded our business and were selling wholesale quantities of cocaine to a large customer bas throughout Chicago. From approximately 2000 through 2008. we steadilv increased the vblume of our business. which I will describe later in deUil. 2006 2008, we wl:re coordinating, at peak, the d.istribution in Chicago to our customer base of approxim tely 1500 to 2000 kilograms of cocaine per month. From approximately 2000 to 2007, our Mexican sources of supply primarily delivered cocaine to us in Chicago. Beginning n approximately late 2006, we expanded our business and r.or_;ine: in -Me:Yi;n T \Vhe:n· cocaine in

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with hidden compartments, or "traps," the roof. These same trap compartments were used to transport money from the sale f the cocaine. In addition to these tractor trailers, we also used freight trains to transpo cocaine. Although we had customers in several cities. most of the cocaine that Margarit and I distributed in the United States at one

Chicago area.

B. Move to Mexico

began to fear that I would soon be arrested o narcotics trafficking charges and I made a similar move to join Margarito in Mexico. On e I arrived in Mexico, Margarito helped me

up a drug distribution and money collection n twork allowing us to operate from Mexico. As Margarito and I continued to take delivery of and distribute cocaine, our organization continued to grow. .

C. Summary of the Structure Flores DTO

In running our narcotics trafficking we dealt, broadly speaking, with three groups of people. The first group was our urces of supply of cocaine and heroin in

l.arge ities of narcoucs m JVleXICO ana we omameo 1arge smpiJlems or urugs rrom tm:m mat we mtum in the United States. The second group was of "workers" or "crew" in the United States, individuals who, at our direction, took deliver. y flarge shipments of cocaine and heroin and distributed those drugs to our customer base, nd in turn received, packaged and returned large amounts of money to us in Mexico. Thes individuals worked at our direction, and we paid them to provide these services to us. The group was our wholesale customers in the United States. Margarito and I maintained 1proximately 30 large customers for cocaine and heroin in the United States in eight princi a! cities: Chicago, New York, Washington, D.C., Philadelphia, Cincinnati, Columbus, De oit, and Los Angeles. We also had a large wholesale customer in Vancouver, Canada. W en we took delivery of a load of cocaine, on almost all occasions we either took delivery irl Chicago, or took delivery elsewhere in the United States and arranged to have the drugs to Chicago, where we distributed the drugs to our customers. We maintained several warehouses and "stash houses" in Chicago and other cities where our crew un oaded shipments of drugs for delivery to customers, and then in tum counted and pack ged money from payments for those drugs. Generallv. we made deoosits ofmonev to our Mexican sources of in sunnlv in Chica!w or Los for drugs that we received in the inited States. I am aware"th;t these de;osits

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were then transported to Mexico, because in instances, one of our workers would go to stash houses belonging to our sources of in Mexico to verify that the count of the money was correct. For drugs that we in Mexico, we generally made money deposits in Mexico. Regardless of where we .. the money, from my conversations with our sources of supply, I am aware that money was ultimately transported to our Mexican sources of supply. I understood that of the money deposited to our sources of supply that was collected from our customers transported to Mexico was provided to our sources of supply in order to perpetuate our trafficking activities.

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2. Unknown ("Alfredo" and -

In approximately 2005, I met a man 1 know as Alfredo. I do not know Alfredo's last name. I was introduced to Alfredo by a that I know as at a car dealership in Guadalajara. I do not - ·s real name. Chapo as a bodyguard and also performs tasks. When introduced me to Alfredo, Alfredo told me that he was a liJ. .. HJUI::. friend of Chapa's and was godfather to Chapa's son Alfredillo. Alfredo told me that handled logistics for Chapa. Over time, I learned from Alfredo that he oversaw the ·on of cocaine for Chapa in several different ways. On behalf of Chapa, Alfredo the transportation of cocaine from Colombia to Mexico in airplanes; was i in the transportation of cocaine from Colombia to Mexico in some sort of used to evade law enforcement and the military when moving cocaine across the ocean; and facilitated the transportation of cocaine in rail cars.

Shortly after I met Alfredo, I also met name is the same as Alfredo's, however, I do

wife - . I believe that- 's last know what it is. I have been shown Exhibit

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both cocaine and cocaine proceeds. Together transporting large shipments of bulk transportation of payments made to Chapo by to his sources of supply. In addition, currency of one nation to another.

- Alfredo handled the logistics of -r:; drug proceeds, including the customers and payments made by Chapo and - exchanged money from the

In late 2006 or early 2007, Margarita I entered into an agreement with Alfredo and his wife - to establish a series of panies that would allow us to more easily move cocaine throughout the United States. t this point, Margarita and I were moving almost all of the cocaine that we distri in semi-trucks and trailers with trap compartments in the roof. 'While this system very well for us, we wanted to have a back-up plan or insurance policy to suppl ... lu'f'u• the trucks. Alfredo had previously told Margarita and I that he \Vas involved with a company in the 1990's with a person that I knew as-. Due to Alfredo's prior in dealing with the trains, Margarita and I thought that he would be a good person approach regarding our idea to branch out into train transportation. Margarito and I dec to invest approximately $600,000 with Alfredo and - to set up an importing and a logistics company. We understood that the companies would be legitimate and actually import and sell goods; however, the real purpose for these companies was to as a front that would allow us to transport cocaine by train.

Margarita and I told Alfredo that we willing to invest money and wished to use the trains to transport our cocaine, but we not want to be responsible for running the businesses, so we allowed Alfredo and decide what kind of companies to create. We later learned that they decided to ........... ... a furniture importation company. We agreed that, in addition to providing the $600, in start up money, that we would also pay Alfredo and - a fee each time we used train. On average, we paid Alfredo and - approximately $1000 per kilogram cocaine that we moved by train. While Margarito and I did not participate directly in decisions for the businesses, Alfredo and - would occasionally ask us for our and would let us know what was going on with the companies. After the company started we learned that Alfredo had hired a man they referred to I met this man several times, but I do not

· his name. Margarita and I also knew three who participated in setting up the companies. The brothers' last name While I met all three brothers at one point, I knew the best. I have been Exhibit #7, which is a photograph of

brothers were in ofloading and unloading the trains at the warehouses near the train lines that AI had set up. Once this operation was up and running, we began using it to cocaine from Los Angeles to Chicago in the walls of rail cars. The first load that we was in late 2007.

In approximateiy October or N . 08, Margarita and I arranged to have 200

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kilograms of cocaine transported from Los les to Chicago using the train system that we set up with Alfredo and- . On "'"''"''",.,'"krn November 3, 2008, Alfredo, -

- ·and others came to visit Margarita at my house in Guadalajara. While Alfredo was at my house, we discussed many things, the load of cocaine that we were ('11,.,-PntJv mnu1n 0 U!ttll thP t.-a1n f"I"MP nf tlle .1, 7, ::llrt)hneS t.h •• af rhatJO USeS t.O t.ransport ._-.A.A¥.6-A"'.&.J .&..A.....,T..I..I.&.o Tl.L"-&.6. ......_.&.._ ...... .&.&.&' '-F.L .. _ '.J.&. ".1..1 _......,_..&. --- ---..._- -·--- - --·--.a.

cocaine, which Alfredo organized, and an · load of cocaine Chapo was bringing from Colombia in a submarine that Alfredo, and I had all invested in. I recorded this conversation by placing a digital device in my pocket. I have had the

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Margarita and I including a true and recording of the conversation that Alfredo, Margarita, and I on approximately November 3, 2008. I am also aware that Margarita recorded a portion this conversation as well on a cell phone.

was in transit in the train was the 200 during our conversation, Alfredo informed me of his own cocaine into the same train car. running very short on money and asked if kilograms. I told him that we would only that would allow Margarita and me to make worth taking on the risk of the extra kilos. wholesale value of cocaine was in Chicago. $30,000 and $30,500. Eventually, Margarita nf ror.!:!inP fn.- !:IT'\1"1.-nVim <;ltPlu It') 1 hh (\(\() .......... .... "'_ ..... &_ .L'-".&. ""'!" y.a. J..J.4.A. .. 'W'.I..} vv,vvv,

house, the only cocaine that I was aware belonging to Margarita and I. However, he had placed an additional 76 kilograms

fredo told Margarita and me that he was would be willing to purchase these 76

the cocaine if we cou1d agree to a price of a profit from the cocaine to make it

asked Margarito and me what the e told him that, at that time, it was between

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Approximately one week later, the train the cocaine arrived at Alfredo's warehouse in Chicago. I sent my workers to provide AI 's workers with a Nissan Murano in which

ito place the 200 kilos of cocaine that already b onged to Margarita and I, as well as the 76 kilos that we had agreed to purchase from Once the train arrived in Chicago, Alfredo's workers loaded the Murano and called Margarita to tell him that the kilos were ready to be picked up. called our worker Cesar Perez and told him to meet Alfredo's workers at a ... " .... located near 159th Street. A short time later, I talked to Cesar, who confirmed he picked up the 276 kilos.

During the same conversation on November 3, Alfredo also explained to Margarito and me the specifics of how 's airplane operation worked to transport cocaine from Central and South America to This was not the first time that Alfredo talked to us about the airplane. Essentially, explained that Chapo had multiple 747 aircraft that he used for this purpose. Alfredo lained that the 74 7s were cargo planes with no seats in the body of the aircraft. Chapo arn:mge to have a shipment of clothing sent to Central or South America as part of a aid project. Once the planes landed

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I in Central or South America, the clothing wasiffloaded and up to 13 tons of cocaine was loaded onto the plane for the return trip to Me ico. The planes would land at Mexico City International Airport and Chapo would then u his contacts to have the cocaine offloaded from the planes and get the cocaine out of the 'rport. Alfredo explained specifically about the last few trips with the p!a..11e .. Alfredo told " about occasions in whic.h he organized for Chapo trips bringing back 1700, 7000, and 12, 00 kilos of cocaine.

In addition to. her involvement in the trai companies,- also was involved in the transportation of bulk currency from Chicago or Los to Mexico. For a fee of approximately 3 to 7 percent of the money tr nsported, - would guarantee that she would transport money safely from one locati n to another. From my conversations with - I know that she was aware that the rnone that she transported was proceeds from the sales of drugs and that - was transportin the money in order the drug conspiracy in which we were all involved. We m ved money through- s transportation system approximately dozens of times. The mo ey that she transported on our behalf ranged from shipments of approximately $100,000 up o several millions dollars. -told me that she transported the money by both cars an planes. When large sums of money were being transported, use private planes to move the money.

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Among other methods, I am y aware that Chapo, Mayo, and their organizations used 747 cargo planes to ........ ",...t ton-quantities of cocaine from Central and South America to Mexico. I am also aware Chapo, Mayo, and their organizations used smaller airplanes, submarines, tractor with trap compartments, container ships, fishing vessels, go-fast boats, buses, trains, personal automobiles to transport cocaine, first from Central and South A_merica to ico; and then from Mexico into the United States.

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vi. Closing Remarks

In total, since 1998, Margarito and I responsible for the distribution of thousands ofkilograms of cocaine from Chicago and •..:P,lvn,prp supplied to us by our sources of supply in Mexico. Other than the few shipments cocaine and heroin that were seized by the authorities or stolen, all ofthis cocaine was 'buted to our customers. Tn the spring of 2008, I realized that I vvould not be able to t"lis kind of a life forever, I began the process of my cooperation and have been ever since. Although no promises have been made to me regarding my I am cooperating in hopes of receiving a reduced sentence in a federal case where I e been indicted on federal narcotics charges. In addition, altlwugh I am not cooperating ............. "' for any benefits received, the federal government has provided some assistance in ocating my family from M:exico to the United States. With some assistance from the DEA U.S. Attorney's Office, Margarito and I moved our wives, our children, our brother his wife and children, our two sisters and their children, our father, our mother, and mother of two of my children. I knew that once the people I have talked about today out I was cooperating, they would trj to kill me and my famiiy. As far as I know, no knows where my famiiy is living and I am being kept in protective custody.

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This statement is an accurate and truthful summary to the best of my recollection. It does not describe everything that I know about the events described or other events that are not described.

Signed:

Pedro Flores

Dated: June 4, 2009

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[BACKGROUND: BEEPING SOUNDS AND U/I CONVERSATION]

CI 2: Have a seat.

CI 2: [U/I]... Have a seat here.

ALFREDO: [U/I]... So he wants it the same as his. Then, it would be the same. It would be the same. Because [U/I] the difference.

CI: But, you know what? That I still don't see the difference with mine.

ALFREDO: There was more left, a little bit more for you [U/I] that, that’s all.

CI: Yeah, it will be better, that way it won't come here. That’s the best thing he could do.

ALFREDO: Because, if not [U/I].

CI: It's the same.

ALFREDO: It stayed the same.

[BACKGROUND: U/I CONVERSATION]

CI: He probably has about ten [10] people who receive [U/I], right?

CI 2: [U/I]... You know what? Fuck. ..

CI: You know I can't send it. If you want to ask him, and see if he can send it [U/I]?

ALFREDO: Yeah, he called me. [U/I] was arriving from the airport, I told him [U/I], call them and tell them [U/I] with them. I was getting off the plane.

CI: I remember sometimes he calls when we're busy and he says, "quick!"

ALFREDO: Yeah, that's how he is.

CI: Listen, and, where should we pick them up?

ALFREDO: Huh?

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CI: Where should we pick them up?

ALFREDO: The stuff?

CI: Yeah.

ALFREDO: Not this week but the next.

CI: I thought you had already told me [U/I].

ALFREDO: They just left yesterday.

CI: No, the man's. I thought when you said that you had some news, I thought they were ready.

ALFREDO: [U/I]... most likely only [U/I] first.

CI: Honestly, and they keep coming. They have work.

ALFREDO: Huh?

CI 2: I'm telling you, they had been calling me.

CI: [U/I] work.

CI 2: They gave me… they gave me five…five hundred [500] the other day…how long ago was it...?. what day…?

ALFREDO: [U/I]... When it's going to arrive ...

CI 2: Yeah, but I’m missing a number. See if I can remember. [ASIDE: Pete, you don't remember?]

CI: Huh?

ALFREDO: All I heard was he was going to give us a surprise. That’s all I heard over a week ago.

CI: He called…

CI 2: [U/I], right, man?

ALFREDO: [U/I]

CI 2: [Laughs]

ALFREDO: [U/I]

CI: He called [U/I], he said…

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CI 2: "The surprise. Come over here. All of you. Come over here, all of you."

ALFREDO: [I/I].

CI: He said, like I told you… that he… right?, that he needed the number. We gave it to him and he hasn't, he hasn’t called.

ALFREDO: [U/I]…you guys?

CI: No, no, no. I don't know what he wanted. He said that, that Alfredillo has a, a Murcielago [Bat], right? A Lamborghini. What color?

ALFREDO: Oh, yeah, I saw it. Remember I told you I’d seen a fucking car outside. [U/I]. Black…it looked black to me. It has to be either black or yellow, there aren’t any other colors.

CI: No, yeah, there’s a shitload of colors.

ALFREDO: And white, white.

CI: White, blue... But I.., he was asking me for a white one.

ALFREDO: We'll leave at around eleven thirty [11:30]?

CI: He was asking me for a white one.

CI 2 But that's kind of fucked up...

ALFREDO: The one that El Caminante had was yellow.

CI: Yeah, he told me that El Caminante’s was a Porsche GT that he also had there. The one they have at Porsche. The G.T., that one, the one that’s five hundred [500] bucks.

CI 2 It’s fucking cool. Yeah, yeah.

ALFREDO: Well, I think Alex also had, from, from Mana, when they opened the De Santos, it was a fucking Porsche like that one. Alex, the, the drummer from Mana, when he opened his restaurant here, the De Santos, he also had a fucking Porsche like that one. Fucking better than [U/I] had [U/I].

CI 2: He ain’t driving that car right now!

CI: Yeah, man, ask him.

ALFREDO: I saw it.

CI: He says that he isn't driving it right now. But I go, “Yes!” I mean, he just bought it. He didn't buy it just to put it away, did he?

ALFREDO: Dark color, black or blue, I don’t know what color it was, but he was driving around the circle and I was going home and he was turning like this way [U/I] this way, going down.

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CI 2 But there are a few of them, there are about...

ALFREDO: At night...

CI: No, but I know he has one... He just bought one.

ALFREDO: …at night...

CI: Hmm.

ALFREDO: …is when the motherfucker takes it out only. Who's going to drive around in a Lamborghini at night, at eleven [11;00] or twelve [12:00] o'clock at night?

CI: Hmm-huh.

ALFREDO: I drive it during the day, so it can be seen. Otherwise, what the fuck is it for then? Am I right or not?

[BACKGROUND: RING TONE]

CI 2: Also…

CI : This one only [U/I].

ALFREDO: [U/I].

CI: I don't know, but it's still dangerous. Don't you think?

ALFREDO: Yes, with a good car, yes. With that kind of car.

CI: I mean, not just for…I mean…for any person.

ALFREDO: Yeah, fucking roads [U/I].

CI: No, but I’m saying for any person right now it’s [U/I].

CI 2: I would not get on one of those right now. I would not get on, or before either [U/I].

CI: That's what I’m saying, dangerous for any person who has cars like those right now, especially the way things are.

ALFREDO: [U/I] I took the Audi [U/I] take [U/I] the Maserati.

UM 2 A Maserati?

ALFREDO: Fucking awesome. Two-door. Really fucking awesome. Brand new.

CI: What color? White?

ALFREDO: No, black.

UM 2 Black.

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ALFREDO: No, black. [U/I]. Beautiful. When [U/I] one hundred and thirty thousand [130,000] dollars, “No. Take one car.” So I took the Audi from him. But the one I liked for myself… I wanted to get the other one. “No, motherfucker! They’ll take it away from you, they’ll get you out, they’ll kill you right there! You’re better off taking the…the Audi.”

CI: No, I mean, you know how even the cops will go and investigate you right away.

ALFREDO: [U/I]

CI 2: Which one? [U/I] and then they take you? [Laughs].

ALFREDO: [U/I]

CI 1: Nah! The thing is that right now the way they are like with [U/I].

CI 2: [U/I]... brother.

ALFREDO: What?

CI 2: [U/I] like what I told you that [U/I] his brother [U/I].

CI 1: [ASIDE: Say hi, man.] You do know my nephew, right?

ALFREDO: No, I mean, yeah [U/I]. What's up? [ASIDE: He's their other brother's son.]

UM 2: How are you?

UM 3: Fine.

ALFREDO: [U/I], right?

UM 3: Huh?

ALFREDO: [U/I]

CI: He's seventeen [17] years old.

UM 3: Huh?

CI: I said he's seventeen [17] years old.

ALFREDO: He looks like he's twenty-something. This motherfucker is too big. He looks like a football player.

[LAUGHING]

ALFREDO: [U/I] refrigerator.

CI: [U/I].

ALFREDO: So tell me then, they haven't called us or anything? Didn’t they give us the check? What happened?

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CI: Yes.

ALFREDO: [ASIDE: Hey you, sit over here (U/I).]

CI: [U/I] the check.

ALFREDO: Huh?

CI: [U/I] the check.

[BACKGROUND: RING TONE]

ALFREDO: You haven’t had a check?

CI: That’s what I’m saying. And I thought about you [U/I]. Earlier.

ALFREDO: [U/I]

CI: [U/I] we’re waiting until tomorrow. [U/I] had something to do.

ALFREDO: Huh?

CI: I grabbed some work and I had to pay some money in Mexicali. Same thing, I think it was one [1] week. And so I had to sell them for, for twenty-two [22]. And he said, "Yes, I’ll pay you right away over there in Mexicali. Now he’s saying that not until Thursday.

ALFREDO: How much is the kilo going for in Chicago?

CI: We’re selling it at thirty [30]…thirty and a half [30 !].

CI 2: Right now at thirty [30]... thirty and a half [30 !].

ALFREDO: This work should be arriving by… by next Monday. Over there to [U/I].

CI: Yes.

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ALFREDO: In a week I think that I’m going to put in [U/I]…

UM 2: If we’re lucky…

ALFREDO: If we’re lucky by Wednesday, once we are there…before Friday. I sent seventy-six [76]. Do you want to buy them?

CI: Huh?

ALFREDO: [U/I]-six kilos.

CI: Oh, shit. How much are you asking?

ALFREDO: How much do you pay? [U/I] to pay a lot of money.

CI: Twenty-five [25].

CI 2: Shit, man!

UM: All lies.

CI: Nah, I hate that [U/I].

CI 2: What's your price? What do you want?

ALFREDO: Offer the best that you can pay. What do you want me to say? I mean, I don’t have customers. And, if not, they’ll stay there, I’ll fucking throw them away! I’m gonna throw them away… yeah, right! [Laughs]

CI 2: On Saturday?

CI 2: [U/I] the thing is [U/I].


[BACKGROUND: BROADCAST PLAYING]

CI: [U/I] arrives [U/I] arrives [U/I] a damn mess. This is not the good one. Look, it's all used.

UM 4: What do you mean used?

CI: Look. I bought it new.

UM 4: It was in storage.

CI: Look.

UM 4: It’s new.

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CI: Where’s the plastic?

UM 4: [U/I].


CI: I want the friend to come and ask me for an apology, dude.

UM 4: Huh?

CI: I want the friend to come and ask me for an apology. No… I buy from him [U/I] two thousand five hundred [2,500], he asks me for the money and once… once you say yes, he keeps bugging you for the money. And he comes right away and puts a...

UM 4: [U/I] put [U/I] at my house for me?

CI: Oh. No, no, I can put that for you. The thing is ... [ASIDE: Hey Jay, why don't they have them here, the Aquos TV?]…the thing is they only bring two [2] every two [2] weeks.

UM 4: Because you also buy them [U/I].

CI: No [U/I] we have bought some. We've been going… we send my nephew every other day to see if they have arrived, to see if they have arrived. But he put…I bought HD...boxes, right? Two thousand five hundred [2,500] each and he brought me a regular one because he had them [U/I]. I just noticed [U/I]. [ASIDE: CI: Right, Jay? Remember I told you, right? UM 5: Mmm? CI: I paid HD boxes and he put a regular one in here. UM 5: Who? CI: He got me. He thought I wasn’t gonna notice. UM 5: [U/I] what’s a HD box? CI: HD, High Definition, better than the new one. UM 5: Oh.]

CI 2: I'm telling you, dude, that's how Rafa is.

[BACKGROUND: LAUGHTER]

CI: It wasn't Rafa. It was this guy… So what should we do then?

ALFREDO: [U/I]

CI: It’s your call.

ALFREDO: Well, tell me [U/I] more or less how much…how much will you pay for that?

CI 2: About twenty-five [25].

ALFREDO: Huh? [Laughs]. Thirty-five [35] in the U.S.

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CI: I’ll pay you about twenty-seven and half [27 ! ].

ALFREDO: Man! No, no, [U/I]..

CI: Okay, straight up, twenty-eight [28] is a good number for me to pay you. That way I can make some money. I’ll make… I'm going to be making about one thousand [1,000] dollars per…

ALFREDO: Twenty-nine [29]?

CI: Twenty-nine [29] doesn’t make sense.

ALFREDO: [U/I] thrity [U/I].

CI: How about my work? I'm making five [5] bucks off of mine. What… [ASIDE: hold on.]…what you're offering me for twenty-eight [28], right?, I think they’re too few.

ALFREDO: Twenty-eight and half [28 !] and that’s it.

CI: That’s fine. [U/I]. And, and the check? Where do you want me to…to…?

ALFREDO: Over there in Chicago. But right away fucker, because I need to pay my [U/I].

CI: [Laughs] Anything else, sir? [Laughs]

[BACKGROUND: LAUGHTER]

ALFREDO: [U/I] work for you guys!

CI: No, no, it's not that! No. I…we want…[U/I]…it’s just that…you know what? Like…right now we thought, “Shit, man! That’s a shitload of money to….”

CI 2: …that’s a lot of money to invest to make…

CI: …just a little bit…

CI 2: …just a little bit…

CI: One thousand [1,000] bucks. I even think it's a lot…I think it’s a lot…[U/I] because the thing is that the problem I have right now, man, is that I think, "Man, five million [5,000,000] is one hundred fifty [150] kilos, man." Over there, right now.

ALFREDO: Where?

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CI: Over there in Chicago.

CI 2: Yes, five million [5,000,000] is one hundred and fifty [150].

CI: So we’re risking too much money, man. It's too much.

ALFREDO: How much, how much is the account?

CI: At thirty [30].


ALFREDO: [U/I].

CI: Look...

ALFREDO: About four and a half [4 ! ] million.

CI: Twenty-… let’s say twenty-nine [29]. It's about four million [4,000,000], almost four and a half [4 ! ].


ALFREDO: [U/I] Seventy-six [76].

CI: Seventy-six [76]?

CI 2: [U/I]

CI: It's two million one sixty-six [2,166,000]. [Pause]. Okay, man, that's fine.


ALFREDO: No, he got confused. They, they got me confused [U/I].


ALFREDO: A friend of mine here, that I have here [U/I].

CI 2: [U/I] like, “Shit, man!”

ALFREDO: No, the thing is…[U/I]…came back again.

CI 2: [U/I].

CI: The other day we… we saw, we saw [U/I].

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ALFREDO: Yeah.

CI 2: Listen, I’m going to call right now, I’m going to call right now. You know what? [U/I]. What should we do anyway?

ALFREDO: [U/I]

CI 2: Yes, if the man calls me I’ll tell him, “You know what, man? Stop fucking around, I want my surprise! The one that you keep saying that [U/I].” Should I tell him?

ALFREDO: Yeah.

CI 2: [U/I]... The worst thing that can happen is that he’ll get mad and he’ll laugh, huh?

ALFREDO: He's going to laugh, "I have your surprise now.”. He's really hurting for money [U/I].

CI 2: No, straight up, I’m going to tell him this, "Hey, hey, your compadre [buddy] is really bummed out, man.”

ALFREDO: No, no.

CI 2: “He sounded like really bummed out, like needy,” I’m gonna tell him.

ALFREDO: No, it’s better if you don’t tell him anything [U/I].


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CI 2: [U/I]

ALFREDO: [U/I] or what, man?

CI 2: Huh?

ALFREDO: [U/I]

CI 2: No, [U/I] fifteen [15] days...

CI: [U/I].

CI 2: …I don't know how many he wants to give each one of them. He told me that [U/I] has money for twenty [20]. I gave him thirty [30] and he says he's not done yet…the other one... [U/I] five hundred [500] [U/I], right? I have one man... I have a man alone…I have a man alone who…who moves…I gave him sixty [60] and he’s already done and even [U/I]. But I want this man, my friend, to pick up work from this one, the money from this one [U/I] and then [U/I] load it up and come here. I'm gonna call him back.

ALFREDO: And when they don't pay you guys, do you have someone to send for collection [U/I]? Or how do you guys do it?

CI 2: No, no, [U/I].

CI: No, no, if they don’t pay us [U/I] one day. They know.

CI 2: And we haven’t had too much trouble.

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ALFREDO: So then who is responsible [U/I]?

CI 2: I mean, right now we haven’t had any trouble. But before ...

ALFREDO: [U/I] fucking asshole [U/I].

CI 2: [U/I] Before, before that would always happen. Before. [U/I] they hide or they get lost. There’s…, for real, there's people who would arrive to the house, and…nothing. The house would be empty.

ALFREDO: Yeah. That's what I’m saying...

CI 2: And they would leave...

CI: No, but you test them. I do test them. You test them little by little --five [5]…ten [10]. And so people who need the money want to keep going.

CI 2: Since all who buy are, are around each of them, you understand what I mean? It's like over here, like… like… a shitload of people know me. Where the f… you know what I mean?...

ALFREDO: Yes.

CI 2: Where am I going to go, if this is what I do? [U/I].

ALFREDO: [U/I]

CI: But if you're going to do some business, you want to come through... And these people [U/I], you know what I mean? Like, what they needed, because…[U/I] like with him... Didn’t I send him eighty [80] and he lost them? I told him, “You keep fucking bugging me. I don’t want to hear anything. I'm going to give you the eighty [80], and I’m not going to deduct a single dollar. You're going to pay me at this number, and I don’t give a shit. I don't want to hear from you." "Yeah, fine, I don’t give a shit!" So then they deliver it to him, and the next day he got fucked. And I said, "I didn’t give a shit. Where's my money?"

CI 2: We did squeeze…

CI: We squeezed… You…you were really good…we squeezed about three hundred [300], four hundred thousand [400,000] bucks out of him, [U/I] for the check [U/I], but he paid us only with hundreds [100’s]. But he did have money to pay us...

CI 2: But it’s his fault. No… he doesn't set up offices to work. He’s really like... he wants to do everything without expenses. He doesn't want to have an office or anything. Nothing. He wants…

ALFREDO: He doesn’t want to spend.

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CI 2: He wants it like... you know…like the old times.

ALFREDO: [U/I].

CI: For me, can you imagine?, I just paid sixty thousand [60,000] dollars [U/I]…

CI 2: I pay, I think...

CI: ...in Los Angeles. Here it's forty [40]. In Chicago it's like one hundred [100].

ALFREDO: [U/I].

CI 2: We pay like two-fifty [250] in total… in offices.

CI: No, [U/I].

ALFREDO: They [U/I].

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ALFREDO: [U/I] of nothing but fixed expenses.

CI: Oh, no, [U/I].


CI: And he doesn’t want to [U/I]…we have worked…I say, “Hey, dude, there are these two [2] houses, [U/I] one house [U/I] trip and the other one so you can check them out.” How much you think it would be to fix up two rented houses and furnish them? How much would it be? Like two [2] bucks?

ALFREDO: [U/I].

CI: Already furnished… rent and everything.

ALFREDO: [U/I]?

CI: Over there.

ALFREDO: Hey, dude, a house, say, really, really bad-ass [I/I].

CI: Um… if it’s really bad-ass [U/I] thousand.

ALFREDO: Yeah? With… and if they ask you for a one-month deposit?

CI: [U/I]

ALFREDO: [U/I] two thousand and five hundred [2,500].

CI: I just like to bring it down, cheaper. Like from twelve hundred [1,200] to

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fifteen hundred [1,500]. Good ones, like, with a garage and everything.

ALFREDO: [U/I] fifty thousand [50,000]?

CI: I do spend that. You know why? Because we put everything in them --plates, curtains, [U/I], clothes, jackets, even photos.

ALFREDO: [U/I]

CI: I, I put [U/I] jackets, [U/I] kids' room. I put like…everything.

ALFREDO: Everything, so it looks nice [U/I].

CI: I hope so, man. When did you say the surprise would arrive? No, because I thought you were saying, I think, in two [2]weeks. [ASIDE:

CI: No, man, once that stuff arrives from down there, uff, man!, I’m going to buy myself a [U/I].

ALFREDO: Huh?

CI: I'll buy myself one of those cars.

[B ACKGROUND: U/I CONVERSATION]

CI: Yeah, he told me. I heard him say that he had a shitload of problems.

ALFREDO: [U/I]. Once [U/I] arrives, then [U/I].

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CI: If [U/I] arrives [U/I] never [I/I].

CI 2: [U/I]

CI: [U/I] scare me, dude!, [U/I] dude.


CI: It’s fucked up, isn’t it?

ALFREDO: [U/I]...can’t be. [U/I] send a seven forty-seven [747] [U/I].

CI: But is it a personal plane or a [U/I] plane?

ALFREDO: Cargo, big.

UM: Cargo.

CI: Seven, forty-seven [747]?

ALFREDO: It doesn’t have seats or anything. [U/I]...products from [U/I] Bogota.

CI: But that’s for having the money there and paying everybody, right?

ALFREDO: Yeah, in fact I used it two [2] years ago [U/I].

CI : But [U/I] down there? [U/I] the plane [U/I].

ALFREDO: Nothing, [U/I]. I [U/I] the people, [U/I] the people [U/I] material.

CI : And why didn’t [U/I]?

ALFREDO: Because [U/I].

CI : A year and half ago, what do you mean no? I have ... I’ve known [U/I] for three [3] or four [4] years.

ALFREDO: [U/I] Monterrey? No.

CI 2: A year and half.

CI: A year and a half? More!

ALFREDO: Maybe you’re right.

CI: We’ve been a year on this project.

CI 2: Yeah, [U/I] more.

ALFREDO: More…more…soon it’ll be about two [2] years [U/I] so far no…

CI 2: I met you about three [3] years ago. I met…

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ALFREDO: Me, but [U/I] only a year ago. It was in November of last year. Yes, because…

CI: An the company has been around for one [1] year.


CI: You didn’t even make enough for the expenses?

ALFREDO: No, I did [U/I] there [U/I]. [U/I]...one thousand, seven hundred [1,700]... On the second one, we put in seven thousand [7,000]. The second trip [U/I]. On the third one, we put in like eleven thousand [11,000] or thirteen thousand [13,000] [U/I] Bogota and that’s when [U/I].

CI 2: And how did he steal it?

CI: ‘cause of the little [U/I].

CI 2: But how did he take them? Or were you going to sell them to him?

ALFREDO: No, fucking Alfredo and his dad. This man from here… and I can't even remember his name… he tells me, “Hey, straight up...," he was going to tell me something about the fucking plane, so I say, “[U/I] it's going to be eight hundred [800], right?" So he gives me the money and everything, the plane leaves, I leave [U/I] and they deliver the following day. But the ones they delivered belonged to my compadre [buddy]. Six hundred and twenty [620] [U/I]. So I call [U/I] and he tells me, "No, they delivered six hundred and twenty [620].” So I call the man and tell him, “They delivered six hundred and twenty [620]." “No, it's eight hundred and twenty [820]!" So he calls him but he no longer picks up. "Oh well!, that’s all, the six hundred and twenty [620], that’s okay." So [U/I].

UM 2: That was sneaky.

ALFREDO: But when I arrive in Mexico, once [U/I] delivers [U/I] fuck [U/I].


CI 2: But why [U/I]...?

ALFREDO: So the whole fucking business was over.

CI 2: But why [U/I]…?

ALFREDO: Huh?

CI: Because he’s saying that [U/I].

CI 2: No, but why wasn’t your buddy able to… to give his support?

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ALFREDO: I don't know if... I don't know... I don’t know what fucking bullshit is going on.

CI: That's why sometimes I feel that... I feel that they are like into themselves…like...

CI 2: Nothing, but he didn’t want any problems, and if he was telling you that, "That is your problem, not mine." You know what I mean? That’s what he’s telling you. Right?

CI: [U/I].

ALFREDO: It would be like me saying, “Oh, yeah, you may be my buddy but [U/I] workers [U/I] and you [U/I] me.”

CI 1: “You have to pay me.” I don’t like…

ALFREDO: [U/I]

CI 2: But that's not cool if he used you.

ALFREDO: Because after that [U/I].

CI 2: Yeah, but, I mean… that’s not cool because you could no longer do fuck.

UM: No, and the whole shit was over.

ALFREDO: And all that fucking work was over. [U/I].


CI: Who, the driver?


CI: [U/I] the expenses?


CI: Yeah, but how are things at the airport now?


ALFREDO: [U/I] I can’t do any work without a check [U/I], right?

CI 2: [ASIDE: CI 2: Did Greco leave? Yeah? And who gave that jerk permission to leave?]

ALFREDO: [U/I]… I hope so.

CI 2: [ASIDE: CI 2: Did they ring? UM: [U/I]. CI 2: So did the jerk leave? UM: Yes, right now, he just left. I don't think he's coming back. CI 2: Take your time. UM: No that’s fine. CI 2: [U/I]. UM: (LAUGHS).]

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UM: [U/I]...right away?


UM: Well, right now [U/I].

CI: So we’re all set then.

ALFREDO: [U/I] yes or no. If not, then [U/I].

CI: Yes, yes, yes. Yes. Okay, let me call my buddy right now to see if he's going to bring the check now. If not today then...

ALFREDO: No, no, tomorrow... because the driver is going to be leaving.

CI: If not, then Wednesday.

ALFREDO: Because he’s leaving for Chicago tonight to pick up [U/I].

CI: [U/I]

CI 2: He didn't call?

CI: I talked to ’im in the morning and he said that…he told me around three o'clock [3:00]. [U/I] three [3] hours.

CI 2: [U/I]... Sixty [60]. [U/I]?

CI: [U/I] whoa, whoa, whoa,[U/I] what time is it now?

CI 2: Over there? It's two, forty-six [2:46].

CI: [U/I]... no change.


CI: So we’re all set with those. But if it arrives, for example, this one, if it arrives, would you be willing to do the two [2] again?

ALFREDO: What?

CI: [U/I] ?

ALFREDO: [U/I]. But there isn’t enough time [U/I] ...five hundred [500], six hundred [600], I don’t know [U/I]...

CI: [U/I]... you know, it arrives... you know it arrived.

CI 2: [U/I]... Anyway, [U/I].

ALFREDO: Huh?

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CI 2: [U/I].

ALFREDO: Well, maybe [U/I].

CI: No, that's why...

CI 2: No, the new one.

ALFREDO: [U/I]

CI: No, but what I’m saying is, if, if, if it does arrive [U/I], would you be willing [I/I]?

ALFREDO: [U/I]

CI: If you invite us, we’re in.

ALFREDO: The thing is that [U/I]…

CI 2: [U/I].

CI: [U/I] the thing I like about this … the thing I like about this job is that you'll know whether it arrived, and that’s it; or whether it didn’t arrive, and that's it .

CI 2: Yeah. In one day [U/I].

CI: You know what I mean? [U/I].

ALFREDO: [U/I]

CI: One day. You’re not…for a month, “Hey, dude, what happened?”

ALFREDO: [U/I]

CI 2: Count me in for that one. Easy.

CI: I’d be game for that one.

ALFREDO: [U/I]

CI 2: [U/I] I’d be game with about four thousand [4,000].

ALFREDO: [U/I]... Six hundred and twenty [620] [U/I].

CI: At what price?

UM: Huh?

CI: Where?

ALFREDO: Here, here.

CI: Really? All the way here?

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ALFREDO: [U/I]. How much would it be [U/I]-nine…nine million dollars?

CI 2: [U/I].

ALFREDO: So [U/I] million dollars?

CI 2: [U/I]... had told me that [U/I] was there with us and asked me whether I [U/I]… to pay [U/I] okay, what would you say if, he said [U/I] ended up owing eight thousand [8,000]. “And he will continue to owe that you,” he said [U/I] because [U/I] dough.

CI: [U/I] was saying [U/I] a shitload of [U/I].


ALFREDO: [U/I] house.

CI 2: [U/I]..., where is it?

ALFREDO: At your house.

CI 2: [U/I]...your house, so the only [U/I] farther away, right? [U/I] your house [U/I].

ALFREDO: And I stay there at my house. I don’t go out.

CI 2: Okay. [U/I].

CI: [U/I]. Yeah, man. I mean, that’s what they do. When they don’t work, they steal [U/I].

CI 2: [U/I]... a Cherokee.

ALFREDO: Oh, a Cherokee?

CI: Yeah, a Cherokee.

CI 2: Gold color? [U/I] fucking car [U/I].


CI: [ASIDE: Yo! Okay, cool. I'm just checking up. Okay... Just let me know, okay? Make sure you give me enough time, okay? Yeah, alright, cool.]


CI: [U/I] here in Mexico City they have them [U/I].

CI 2: [U/I] I told you [U/I].

ALFREDO: [U/I] that Cherokee [U/I] someone who goes by “Chino” [Chinese/Curly hair], someone who goes by “Chino” [Chinese/Curly hair] [U/I].

CI: I saw him passing by with two [2] white cars and those [U/I] Cherokee,

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with dark windows. And he passed by with like three [3] small cars [U/I] .

ALFREDO: No, my buddy [U/I].

CI 2: Well, yes, but that’s because they can, because they're fixed up. That's why.

ALFREDO: [U/I]...kind of strange [U/I]...nobody else.

CI: That's what I’m saying [U/I].

ALFREDO: [U/I]

CI: I don’t think so. Right now [U/I].

ALFREDO: [U/I].

CI: Yes, but…but…

CI 2: But that’s better for them. Let them look bad.

CI: Listen, but…but the Chinos [Chinese/Curly hair guys]…they're involved with that guy.

ALFREDO: [U/I]

CI: What did he say [U/I]?

CI 2: I don't know. I'm gonna talk to him [U/I].

ALFREDO: I want a dish. [U/I].

CI: [U/I] It's...it's…I’m going to tell you why…it’s because they changed the antenna. Hey, hey, check why the channels are not working.


UM 6: [U/I] can’t be seen [U/I].

ALFREDO: [U/I]. Hey, the dish you have at your house, is it legit or not?


UM 7: Huh?

ALFREDO: The dish [U/I].

UM 7: [U/I] they get blocked [U/I].

ALFREDO: Yeah, but it’s [U/I].

[B ACKGROUND: BEEPING SOUNDS]


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CI 2 [ASIDE:

ALFREDO: [ASIDE: Go ahead. Nothing. I'm just here talking. (U/I).]

CI 2: You had it on [U/I]. What does it say?

CI: Huh? [U/I] what about it?

CI 2: [U/I]

CI: I don't see it.

CI 2: [U/I] just gave it to me right now.

ALFREDO: [U/I]

CI: Say hi to him from me.

ALFREDO: Okay.

CI 2: [U/I], man.

ALFREDO: So, what did we agree on? [U/I]

CI: I don’t know. I’ll buy them from you at twenty-seven and half [27 ! ]?

ALFREDO: Twenty-eight and half [28 !]. We agreed on twenty-eight and half [28 !], right?

UM: Hey, was it twenty-eight and a half [28 !]?

ALFREDO: Yeah, they will call us…call me…when the documents [U/I].

CI 2: Are you already asking us to pay? [U/I]!

ALFREDO: No, no!, that’s for the stuff from here. The stuff from here…for the [U/I]!

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CI: Oh, yes, yes! Yes, the [U/I]-hundred fifty [(U/I)-50].

ALFREDO: Yeah. Not, not [U/I]…

CI: Anyway, there is no rush up there right now. They don't want…the fuckers don't want to work.

ALFREDO: Who?

CI: They're saying at forty [40], at forty [40].

ALFREDO: In Canada?

CI: It’s… you know, you know… I just checked the other day… you know when it’s going for forty [40]? It's going for about thirty-one [31], eight hundred [800].

ALFREDO: In dollars?

CI: In dollars. That’s bullshit!

ALFREDO: [U/I] check. I need to know. If not, to pay [U/I].

CI: No, no, it's fine.

ALFREDO: I already saw several things.

CI: In order to keep going, but it's going to have to get… get better, right?

ALFREDO: [U/I].

CI: Would you do it, man?... Okay, no…

ALFREDO: No, no, no…

CI: …no… suppose…suppose you didn't know me, would you…? Would you go [U/I] to Canada to make one hundred thousand [$100,000] bucks?

CI 2: [U/I]

CI: No, no, no... Any other way. No, no, we have that. Suppose we don't have the freight or anything like that.

CI 2: In Miami, man.

CI: One hundred [$100] bucks, all the way up there... When you can go to Atlanta and earn the check [U/I]?

CI 2: Or also go all the way there. I’d say yes. Yes, I’m sure.

UM: But, the thing is that the freight [U/I] is expensive.

ALFREDO: Where does it go out faster? Who pays faster and everything? [U/I] faster [U/I].

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UM: It depends on whether [U/I].

CI: [LAUGHS]. I have a pilot.

ALFREDO: Huh?

CI: I have a pilot.

ALFREDO: A plane? And once inside the U.S. no one checks anything?

CI: I have a buddy that…that… used to tell me that…he would laugh… he said was… that he was so, so happy because things were going well.

ALFREDO: [YAWNS] Uh-huh.

CI: He said that if... “Look,” he said, “I swear, I'd go to Los Angeles and before [U/I] I would gather up to the last penny. To everybody [U/I] thousand dollars. I thought it was so easy,” he would say, “because no… there are times when I’d [U/I] fifteen thousand [15,000] dollars. [U/I]... Fifteen thousand dollars [$15,000]. [U/I] Fifteen thousand dollars [$15,000]. And guess what happened to him?

ALFREDO: [U/I].

CI: [LAUGHING] He crashed it!

CI 2: No, but he said he already had it. He said that later…that later he investigated and that he already had it. That they had put one of those [U/I] on the plane. I saw his…the whole story, and he says that when he was over by, I don’t know, by Ohio [U/I].

[BACKGROUND: BEEPING SOUNDS]

ALFREDO: [U/I]

CI: Okay, in the beginning he would not [U/I] with anyone. Then he said that he had always bought new parts but this time the mechanic convinced him about a part that was re…

CI 2: …refurbished.

CI: …refurbished. And then he says that [U/I].

ALFREDO: Look, [U/I] at the airport...

UM: Oh, thank you.

ALFREDO: Cuando [U/I] at the airport [U/I] car.

CI: Yes… [U/I].

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UM: [U/I] they're busy right now and whether you can call a little later.

ALFREDO: Yeah, I mean [U/I] in Chicago [U/I] in Washington [U/I].

CI: He said…that’s what he said.

ALFREDO: [U/I].

CI: He said [U/I] he didn't want to take anyone with him. And I said, "Hey, dude, you should’ve taken some shovels, I said, [U/I] to bury the work. And wait, am I right or not?, to see if they would come and get it. But no, he left the work there.

UM: [U/I] one more [U/I].


CI 2:

ALFREDO: [U/I] don’t know [U/I].

CI: But he was…he was a pilot. That’s why.

ALFREDO: [U/I] normal [U/I].


ALFREDO: So then, when would you say…for…for the Vancouver stuff?

CI: As soon as [U/I].

UM: The good thing about Vancouver is that there you can [U/I].

ALFREDO: Right, right, but…

CI: No, we are actually ready here. Once we have them there, I know we’re

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going to [U/I]. [U/I]... we're talking about other ones, like...you know what I mean? We’re talking about some that we don’t have. Once we have them, [U/I].

ALFREDO: All right, then, you call me [U/I].

CI: [U/I] my buddy, man.

ALFREDO: I hope to god, fucker [LAUGHS].

CI: Now I’m going to… I’ll bet you anything that now that we’re here talking he must have called.

ALFREDO: Who?

CI: My buddy.

ALFREDO: Did he just call?

CI: I imagine so, only because I don’t have the phone.

ALFREDO: [LAUGHS].

CI: Or, if not, I’m going to call…I’m going to tell Menor [Junior]…I’m going to say, “You know what? Fuck it, I can’t be waiting around for you guys. I can’t be carrying the phone around wherever I go.”

ALFREDO: [LAUGHS] Of course. [U/I].

CI: I'm going to [U/I] one right now.

ALFREDO: [U/I]

CI: [U/I].

UM: [U/I] at [your/his] house.

CI: Take care, alright?

ALFREDO: [U/I]

CI 2 [U/I]... Ask Pete.[U/I]

[END OF RECORDING]

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