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Government/Industry Aeronautical Charting Forum (ACF)

Meeting 17-02

Charting Group

October 25-27, 2017

AOPA

Frederick, MD 21701

CHARTING GROUP MINUTES

I. Opening Remarks

The Aeronautical Charting Forum (ACF) was hosted by the Aircraft Owners and Pilots Association (AOPA) at their

National Aviation Community Center located in Frederick, MD. Valerie Watson, FAA/AJV-553, opened the Charting

Group portion of the forum on Wednesday, October 25. Valerie acknowledged ACF Co-chair John Bordy, FAA/AFS-

420, who presided over the Instrument Procedures Group (IPG) portion of the Forum the previous day. Valerie also

expressed appreciation to AOPA and Rune Duke for hosting the 17-02 ACF.

II. Review Minutes of Last Meeting, ACF 16-02

The minutes from ACF 16-02 meeting were distributed electronically last fall via the Aeronautical Information

Services (AIS) ACF website: http://www.faa.gov/air_traffic/flight_info/aeronav/acf/. The minutes were accepted as

submitted with no changes or corrections.

Note: There are no minutes for ACF 17-01 due to its cancelation.

III. Agenda Approval

The agenda for the 17-02 meeting was accepted as presented.

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IV. Presentations, ACF Working Group Reports and ACF Project Reports

Discontinuation of VOR Services

Leonixa Salcedo, FAA/AJM-324, briefed the issue. She reviewed the history, current timeline and

accomplishments of the Very High Frequency Omnidirectional Range (VOR) Minimum Operation Network

(MON) program. Leonixa stated that the final policy statement was published in the Federal Register in July

of 2016. She also reported that a website (www.faa.gov/go/vormon) has been established to aid in

communicating with the public on the progress of the program.

Leonixa reported that to date, 16 VORs have been discontinued. Seven more are planned for discontinuance

in the next six months. She also reported that her office plans to publish a list of the VORs that will be

retained.

Rune Duke, AOPA, asked what efforts are being made regarding the sustainability of existing VORs that are

expected to remain in the system. Leonixa commented that a study is being conducted this year to assess

what needs to be done to ensure the sustainability of existing VORs.

John Collins, GA Pilot, asked for clarification of the new Standard Service Volume (SSV) that will be used.

Leonixa stated that establishing new VOR service volumes and the associated flight check activity is one of

the next steps in the VOR MON program and that the expected values will be 70NM at or above 5000’ and

130NM above 18,000’ for high VORs. Valerie Watson, FAA/AJV-553, stated that the SSVs are published in the

Chart Supplement and AIM. She pointed out that the descriptive text will have to be modified if and when

changes to published standard service volumes are confirmed. Leonixa will inform AJV-5 when the new

service volumes are confirmed so that the information in the Chart Supplement can be revised. Her offices

will also work the relevant AIM changes.

Valerie then reviewed the publication/charting policy that has been established for DME facilities. She

reminded the audience that when the VOR portion of an existing VOR/DME is decommissioned, the

remaining DME at that location will retain the same name and location identifier, with the NAVAID type

revised to DME.

ACTION: Leonixa Salcedo, FAA/AJM-324, will provide an update the next ACF.

Transitioning to Point to Point Navigation

Rune Duke, AOPA, briefed the issue. Rune stated that goal of this ACF Subcommittee is to look at the

challenges to point-to-point navigation and present recommendations. He reviewed the actions taken since

last ACF. The working group held several meetings, out of which, three issues were identified: Minimum IFR

Altitude to pilots; Communication gaps along an airway; and Waypoint naming and organization. For the

first item, a Recommendation Document (RD) was submitted which was briefed later in the ACF (Ref. ACF RD

17-02-316 Improving OROCA to Meet FAR 91.177 Requirements). The other items are still in discussion

within the workgroup.

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Atlantic Coast Route Project (ACRP)

Valerie Watson, FAA/AJV-553, reported that this issue has been put on hold indefinitely. This item will be

removed from the agenda until this issue is resurrected by the proponent.

NOTAM Briefing

Lynette (Jamison) McSpadden, FAA/AJR-B11, provided a presentation on several items that US NOTAM

office is involved in. She provided an update on the status of the US NOTAM System migration to the Federal

NOTAM System, the goal of which is to create a single authoritative source for NOTAM entry and

dissemination. She described some of the recent revisions which include NOTAM origination service for

Temporary Flight Restrictions (TFRs). NOTAM Search is being updated to so that it can graphically display

TFRs. Work is also being done on the automation of construction notices. Additionally, Lynette reported that

there has been an increased standardization of NOTAMs, that 80% of NOTAMs are now available digitally

and announced that there is now public, historical access to the past three years of archived NOTAMs.

Lynette then provided an update on the Take Off and Landing Performance Assessment (TALPA) Program.

TALPA has been in place over a year and they are now looking for improvements. She stated that there will

be no changes for this winter, but next year there will be policy and software changes as a result of pilot

input. They will also be working on more outreach and education to the pilot community. Rich Boll, NBAA,

stated that NBAA is in the process of putting out 5 training videos on how pilots can utilize TALPA. The

videos will be available via the NBAA website and YouTube channel before the 2017/18 winter season starts.

Lynette then provided an update on the NOTAM Office involvement in the FAA/International Air Transport

Association (IATA) meeting. She stated that her office provided a briefing on US NOTAMs and is interacting

with IATA regarding international concerns.

Lynette then spoke about the Air Traffic Organization (ATO) Top 5 efforts. She stated that two of the top five

safety initiatives pertain to NOTAM issues. In response, a task force has been created. One of the goals of

that group is to work with stakeholders to look at reducing the number of NOTAMs.

PRM Procedure/AAUP Changes

John Blair, FAA/AFS-410, provided an update on FAA Order 8400.9 and stated that internal coordination is

expected to be completed by the end of November 2017.

Joe Lintzenich, Contract Support, FAA/AFS-410, reviewed the changes being made regarding Precision

Runway Monitor (PRM) procedures and Attention All Users Pages (AAUPs) (See Slides #2 and #3). Joe

reported that a new slide presentation has been made that replaces the present PRM video. He emphasized

that the training requirements have not changed, it has just been updated to the latest criteria. He also

reported that the text on the AAUPs has been updated and shortened. He showed an example of the new

format (See Slide #3).

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CPDLC Briefing

Gregg Anderson, FAA/AJM-34, provided an update on the Controller Pilot Data Link Communication (CPDLC)

program. Gregg stated that Phase 1, in which terminal CPDLC services were deployed to 55 towers, is now

complete. In preparation for Phase 2, the individual airport-specific logons (for example, “KAUS”) will be

changed to the universal nationwide logon of “KUSA”. This will happen within the next few weeks. Valerie

Watson, FAA/AJV-553, stated that the current individual logons contained in the NASR database will be

revised to KUSA and these revisions will appear published in the National Flight Data Digest (NFDD) and

eNASR. She further stated that, for at least the short term, the logon KUSA will be retained in the Chart

Supplement airport CPDLC entries. Once AIM guidance is published announcing the universal KUSA logon,

AJV-5 will look into the possibility of removing the logon from the airport entries and adding explanatory

text to the front of the Chart Supplement. Ted Thompson, Jeppesen, suggested that the KUSA logon

information be retained in the database even though it may seem redundant. He stressed that this is

especially important for data suppliers so they don’t have to hunt for the logon information. Joshua Fenwick,

Garmin, echoed that he would like the logon information to be retained, at least in the database. Valerie

thanked Ted and Joshua for their input and stated she would recommend AJV-5 to retain the information in

NASR.

Gregg then discussed Phase 2 of the program which is the implementation of enroute services. He stated

that the initial testing is set to take place beginning in April of 2018. He briefed that a phased

implementation of enroute CPDLC services is planned (see ppt). Gregg then discussed his charting

recommendations for making the public aware that enroute CPDLC services are available within a given Air

Route Traffic Control Center (ARTCC). He showed examples of how other countries have charted CPDLC

information on their enroute charts (Slides #8 and #9). Valerie asked if there is an existing ICAO standard in

place for charting CPDLC information. Gregg replied that there is no ICAO guidance.

Ted discussed the enroute charting implications, stating that there is a need for a coordinated effort

between the FAA and chart producers. He proposed the formation of a workgroup to discuss the source and

depiction of CPDLC information on enroute charts. He shared that Jeppesen already has a charting

specification in place where the CPDCL information, including the logon information, is part of the center

boundary label.

Valerie will put together a workgroup with Gregg Anderson’s assistance to address the expansion of CPDLC

into the enroute arena and to discuss the databasing and charting portion of this recommendation.

CPDLC Workgroup

Valerie Watson FAA/AJV-553 301-427-5155 valerie.s.watson@faa.gov

Jennifer Hendi FAA/AJV-553 301-427-4816 Jennifer.l.hendi@faa.gov

Joshua Fenwick Garmin 913-228-9779 Joshua.Fenwick@garmin.com

Richard Mayhew FAA/AJV-5331 202-267-6441 richard.p.mayhew@faa.gov

Steve Woodbury FlightSafety 316-612-5300 steve.woodbury@flightsafety.com

John Schmitz Delta Air Lines 404-715-7124 john.schmitz@delta.com

Kemal Ahmed NavTech 44-0-1932-704263 kemal.ahmed@navtech.aero

Kyle Jermyn Jeppesen 303-328-6298 kyle.jermyn@jeppesen.com

Ted Thompson Jeppesen 303-328-4456 ted.thompson@jeppesen.com

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Diego Velasco FAA 301-427-4877 diego.velasco@faa.gov

Gregg Anderson FAA 202-267-7469 / 236-1290 Gregg.Anderson@faa.gov

Zann Hawkins Lido 901-240-5602 william.hawkins@lhsystems.com

Juergen Kuhnhenn Lido 41-44-828 6546 juergen.kuhnhenn@LHSystems.com

Robert D. Carlson, Jr. FAA 301-427-5134 robert.d.carlson@faa.gov

Robert Gifford FAA 301-427-4842 Robert.l.gifford@faa.gov

ACTION: Gregg Anderson, FAA/AJM-34, will work on AIM guidance regarding the universal KUSA logon.

ACTION: Valerie Watson, FAA/AJV-553, will monitor AIM guidance publication and take action to add

explanatory text to the front of the Chart Supplement to describe the new KUSA logon.

ACTION: Valerie Watson, FAA/AJV-553, and Gregg Anderson, FAA/AJM-34, will set up a working group to

discuss the Enroute application of CPDLC.

ACTION: Scott Jerdan, FAA/AJV-533, will work to establish NASR population of ARTCC CPDLC information.

FAA Chart User’s Guide Briefing

Alex Rushton, Contract Support, FAA/AJV-553, briefed the audience on the release of the updated FAA Chart

User’s Guide. The newly updated document is available in two formats, a website version and a PDF. The

User’s Guide will be maintained as a live document with frequent updates released concurrently with future

chart cycles as necessary to reflect the most recent charting specification changes. Alex highlighted a

number of enhancements that have been applied to both formats. News of the release of the updated

document was extremely well received by the ACF audience.

Charts User’s Guide Available online at:

https://www.faa.gov/air_traffic/flight_info/aeronav/digital_products/aero_guide/

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V. Outstanding Charting Topics

07-01-195 Charting & AFD Information Re: Class E Surface Areas

Paul Gallant, FAA/AJV-113, was not in attendance. Valerie Watson, FAA/AJV-553, said that she will keep this

item open and will coordinate with Paul to secure an update for the next ACF.

STATUS: OPEN

ACTION: Paul Gallant, FAA/AJV-113, to report back on updating airspace legal descriptions at the next ACF.

13-01-262 Airport Facility Directory (AFD) Depiction of Traffic Pattern Altitudes

Valerie Watson, FAA/AJV-553, reviewed the topic and the past decision by the ACF that only non-standard

Traffic Pattern Altitudes (TPAs) should be published in the source (NASR) database and in the Chart

Supplement. She shared that the revisions to the TPA language that was agreed upon by the ACF is expected

to be published in the 29 March 2018 version of the AIM.

Rick Mayhew, FAA/AJV-533, stated that after the revised and clarified AIM language has been published, the

National Flight Data Center (NFDC) will remove all “standard” TPAs from the source database (NASR), which

will in turn automatically remove them from the Chart Supplement airport entries (this attribute of the

Supplement is pulled directly from NASR). Valerie asked how long the NASR cleanup is expected to take. Rick

responded that it may take several cycles. Rick then shared that the NFDC’s source for TPA information is

FAA 7480-1 Form, Notice of Landing Area Proposal.

Scott Jerdan, FAA/AJV-533, stated that he would like to see revisions to the FAA FORM 7480-1; first to

indicate whether the TPA is standard or non-standard and second to accommodate multiple TPAs for

different aircraft types. Rick and Scott committed to working with the Office of Airports to make changes to

the form to ensure that either only non-standard TPAs are reported or that the form clearly indicates

standard/non-standard, and that Box 4 of the form to be expanded to accommodate multiple TPAs for

different kinds of aircraft.

STATUS: OPEN

ACTION: Valerie Watson, FAA/AJV-553, will report on the status of the publication of the revised AIM

language and work to revise the Chart Supplement TPA explanatory text.

ACTION: Scott Jerdan, FAA/AJV-533, will coordinate a NASR cleanup to ensure that only non-standard TPAs

are listed in the database. This cleanup can begin after the publication of the revised AIM language.

ACTION: Rick Mayhew and Scott Jerdan, FAA/AJV-533, will work with the Office of Airports to make changes

to FAA Form 7480-1, Notice of Landing Area Proposal to clarify collection of TPA information.

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13-01-270 Stepdown Fix Chart Notes

Valerie Watson, FAA/AJV-553, reviewed the topic and reported that after the last ACF this item was placed

on hold by FAA/AFS-400 pending further coordination. John Bordy, FAA/AFS-420, said that this is no longer

on hold and the (previously agreed-upon by the ACF) proposed changes to the AIM are now moving

forward. Bruce Mc Gray, FAA/AFS-410, reported that the AIM guidance is expected to be published in the

September 2018 update. John then stated that once the AIM guidance is in place, he will work updates to

FAA Order 8260.19. Valerie asked if the proposed changes to the TPP Legend Profile View page could be

published now. Rich Boll, NBAA, suggested that those changes also wait until after the AIM guidance is

published so the new changes can be communicated to pilots.

STATUS: OPEN

ACTION: Bruce McGray, FAA/AFS-410 to report back on the status of the revised stepdown fix AIM guidance.

ACTION: Valerie Watson, FAA/AJV-553, will move forward with the specification change to update the TPP

Legend Profile View page to clarify stepdown fix use after the new AIM language is published.

ACTION: John Bordy, FAA/AFS-420, to move forward with revised guidance in FAA Order 8260.19 after the

new AIM language is published.

14-01-279 Naming of FAA Certified, National Disseminated AWOS-3 Systems on Private Use Airports

Rick Mayhew, FAA/AJV-533, reviewed the history of this issue. Rick reported that he has written

confirmation from the FAA Non-Fed Weather Office that all AWOS systems that they submit to the National

Flight Data Center (NFDC) are certified. He said that they now have confidence that the data that is received

can be published on the charts. Valerie Watson, FAA/AJV-553, stated that based on this information she will

move forward with the specification changes supporting the charting of off-airport AWOS/ASOS.

Valerie then asked about remote altimeter notes published on Instrument Approach Procedures (IAPs) that

currently only refer to automated weather systems located on public-use airports. The notes refer to the

remote systems by name only. Valerie stated that if, in the future, these stand-alone AWOS systems were

utilized on IAPs, the chart would have to refer to the AWOS system only and not make reference to the

airport on which they are located. She suggested that we may need to consider identifying these systems in

such notes by identifier and possibly including the frequency to insure that users have the information.

Rich Boll, NBAA, asked if the FAA plans use these AWOS systems (not located on public-use airports) in the

development of instrument approaches. Tony Lawson, FAA/AJV-553, responded that the FAA does not

currently utilize these AWOS systems in the development of IAPs. John Bordy, FAA/AFS-420, agreed and

stated that there is not currently a policy in place for using AWOS systems that are not located at public-use

airports. Therefore, Valerie stated that the remote altimeter notes as they are published now do not need to

be changed unless there is a change in the policy in the future.

STATUS: OPEN

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ACTION: Valerie Watson, FAA/AJV-553, will move forward with the specification change to chart stand-alone

AWOS.

14-02-282 VASI PAPI Differences

Tony Lawson, FAA/AJV-553, briefed the issue and showed the revised AIM wording published in the March

2017 edition that references both VASI and PAPI parameters in terms of nautical miles. There was

agreement to close this item.

STATUS: CLOSED

15-01-293 STAR Terminus Point Standardization

John Bordy, FAA/AFS-420, reported that the new guidance has been published in FAA Order 8260.19H.

Valerie Watson, FAA/AJV-553, reported that the IAC charting specification is in place and that there were no

further action items outstanding. There was agreement to close this item.

STATUS: CLOSED

15-01-295 Charting of Airports for the MON

Scott Jerdan, FAA/AJV-533, provided an update on progress made since last ACF. Scott stated that a request

has been submitted for a National Airspace System Resource (NASR) update to accommodate the MON

Airport designation. Brian Murphy, FAA/AJV-562, stated that the NASR enhancement request is expected to

be complete Spring 2018. Once in place, Scott reported his team will populate NASR from the list that has

been provided by the MON Program Office.

Scott expressed his concerns over the long-term ownership and maintenance of the MON Airport data after

the MON Program Office sunsets in 2025. Tony Lawson, FAA/AJV-553, stated that ownership of the MON

Airport Data would likely transition to the FAA Service Centers. Scott said that he would like to see that

responsibility documented in an FAA order. Tony said that it has not yet been finalized how the MON

airports or procedures will be tracked. Dale Courtney, FAA/AJW-292, stated that after 2025, the list of MON

airports or procedures will only change if there is a procedure change and he believes the Flight Procedures

Teams or the Instrument Flight Procedures group will need to take responsibility for the list. Tony stated

that these issues are still being discussed.

Valerie Watson, FAA/AJV-553, shared the published AIM language with the audience. She said that

comments received at the prior ACF had not yet been incorporated. Leonixa Salcedo, FAA/AJM-324, stated

that the AIM guidance is expected to undergo update. Valerie asked that the audience take another look at

the AIM language (to be posted on the ACF website) and provide comments to Leonixa so she can consider

updates.

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STATUS: OPEN

ACTION: Tony Lawson, FAA/AJV-553, will report on discussions regarding the long term maintenance of the

MON Airport list after the MON Program Office closes in 2025.

ACTION: Valerie Watson, FAA/AJV-553, will post the existing AIM language on the ACF website to allow

comment to the MON Program Office.

ACTION: Scott Jerdan, FAA/AJV-533, will work on NASR and NFDC Portal updates to accommodate the MON

Airport designation. Once in place, he will populate NASR initially from the list provided by the

MON Program Office.

15-02-296 Charting of Unmanned Free Balloon Activities and Amateur Rocket Activity Areas

Valerie Watson, FAA/AJV-553, reported that Paul Gallant, FAA/AJV-11, requested that this recommendation,

originally submitted by his office, be withdrawn. If this issue becomes a priority again in the future a follow-

up recommendation will be submitted.

STATUS: CLOSED

15-02-297 Charting of HILPT Maximum Holding Altitude

Valerie Watson, FAA/AJV-553 reviewed the topic. Valerie showed the audience the prototype chart and

reported that the charting specification is in place. John Bordy, FAA/AFS-420, reported that the new

guidance was published in FAA Order 8260.19H. There were no further actions required and it was agreed

that the topic could be closed.

STATUS: CLOSED

15-02-298 Charting GLS DMax (Service Volume)

Valerie Watson, FAA/AJV-553, reviewed the issue and the request supported by the ACF to designate the

first fix along the final approach course extended within the service volume of the GLS signal with a

“(DMAX)” annotation, allowing the user to know when he can switch to approach mode. Joel Dickenson,

FAA/AFS-470, reported that since the last ACF, AFS-470 had made a counter decision to resolve this issue by

adding the service volume for the GLS to the Chart Supplement airport entry. He showed the entry that had

been published for Houston in the Chart Supplement.

Ron Renk, United Airlines, responded to Joel’s proposed solution stating that it does not meet the intent of

his original request. Ron said that pilots don’t have the Chart Supplement with them in the cockpit. He also

emphasized that more GLS airports are coming online, so the problems pilots are experiencing are going to

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spread. He reiterated that pilots would like to see a clear graphic indication on the planview of the approach

chart.

Michael Stromberg, UPS, echoed Ron’s comments, emphasizing that the service volume needs to be where

the pilots can find the information easily. Lev Prichard, APA, expressed his full support of the original

charting solution. Gary McMullen, Southwest Airlines, agreed and stated the he also supports the original

“(DMAX)” charting solution.

Dale Courtney, FAA/AJW-292, commented that there are technical changes going on that will make GLS act

more like an ILS. Joel echoed that and stated that AFS-420 wants GLS to be like ILS in that they both have a

standard service volume (SSV) and that pilots can be taught that standard. He would prefer not to teach new

symbology that only exists at a few locations and that may only be necessary temporarily. Michael

Stromberg disagreed with that and stated that it is not easy to look at the chart and know where that point

is even if you know what the SSV is. A pilot would have to manually add up the distances on the chart to

determine if he was within signal coverage.

Valerie stated that, based on the strong support from the pilot audience for the charting solution, she would

like to move forward with the original proposal to chart “(DMAX)”. She indicated that if and when a better

solution is found, that solution could be pursued. She asked for a show of hands for those still in support of

the charting solution. The following pilots indicated support:

Rich Boll NBAA Ron Renk UAL

Lev Prichard APA Michael Stromberg UPS

Christopher Collins Delta Air Lines John Collins GA/Foreflight

Gary McMullen Southwest Airlines Chris Neidhardt Southwest Airlines

Gerry O’Sullivan ALPA Safety John Schmitz Delta Air Lines

Charles Wade Delta Air Lines Brian Townsend American Airlines

Steve Woodbury Flight Safety Int’l Chris Zimmerman UPS

Ethan Quastler Southwest Airlines

John Bordy, FAA/AFS-420, suggested that he and Joel take the sentiments of the ACF pilot audience to their

management to continue to try to find a workable solution. Joel agreed and stated that he would continue

the discussion offline with those in the audience with specific concerns.

STATUS: OPEN

ACTION: John Bordy, FAA/AFS-420, and Joel Dickenson, FAA/AFS-470, will take the ACF pilot consensus to

their management to continue to try to find a workable solution.

ACTION: Joel Dickenson, FAA/AFS-470, will continue to work with the proponent and others invested in this

issue to address their concerns.

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16-01-301 RVR Locations in FAA Documentation

Brain Murphy, FAA/AJV-562, provided an update on the progress made since the last ACF. Brian stated that

his office has produced a NASR-generated report that contains the majority of the information that was

contained in the original discontinued ILS Components List previously made available by AFS410. A sample

report was presented to the audience and Brian asked for feedback to determine if this would fulfill user’s

needs. Brain stated that once the comments have been received and the spreadsheet has been finalized, it

can be generated and made available by AJV-5 every 28 days.

Ted Thompson, Jeppesen, said that he will take the spreadsheet back so they he can take a closer look at it

and would provide feedback after the ACF. He said he is particularly interested in RVR availability and use.

He wants to know where RVRs are authorized for use or “borrowed” at differing runway ends and at parallel

runways.

Dale Courtney, FAA/AJW-292, stated that ATC doesn’t know what RVRs are shared or not. He believes that it

does not matter if it is listed as available for use on multiple runways.

Valerie Watson, FAA/AJV-553, said that she will email and post on the ACF website the prototype

spreadsheet for the ACF audience to review. Interested parties should review the sample report and provide

feedback via email to Valerie Watson, Valerie.s.watson@faa.gov, who will then consolidate all the

comments received and forward them to Brian Murphy and John Blair, FAA/AFS-410.

STATUS: OPEN

ACTION: Brian Murphy, FAA/AJV-562 and John Blair, FAA/AFS-410 to review ACF input regarding the NASR

generated ILS Components List, work on suggested modifications, and report back at the next ACF.

16-01-302 Cold Temperature Restricted Airport SIAP Segment Depiction

Valerie Watson, FAA/AJV-553, reviewed the issue. Valerie stated that the Terminal Procedures Publication

(TPP) explanatory front matter text has been revised to include the single temperature correction method

for applying cold temperature altitude corrections as well as direction to the Notice to Airman Publication

(NTAP) for segment correction. She reminded the audience that pilots who wish correct for procedure

segments must continue to consult the NTAP. Valerie also reported that the Fahrenheit temperatures are in

the process of being removed from notes on Instrument Approach Procedures.

Valerie then asked about the status of the request for cold weather information to be included on the 8260

procedure source documents rather than disseminated via NFDD airport remark. Users had previously made

this request for the following reasons:

1.) All current approach notes (except this one) are sourced via 8260 and not NFDD remark.

2.) The corrections would be procedure specific and not applied (perhaps incorrectly) to all procedures

at an airport.

3.) Temperature changes/deletions/additions could be published via NOTAM.

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Tony Lawson, FAA/AJV-553, re-stated his previous position that publication of cold temperature correction

information is not a TERPs issue. He further stated that the additional workload to the Instrument Flight

Procedures Group would be extremely burdensome.

Rune Duke, AOPA, responded that this is a safety of flight issue because the notes cannot be revised via

NOTAM unless they are on the procedure source form. Rich Boll, NBAA, added that the note should be part

of the procedure source because the assessment should be part of the individual procedure’s analysis. It

may be determined as part of that analysis that the correction may not apply to all approaches at an airport,

resulting in a reduction of the number of procedures that require a correction. Rich also added that he

would like to see the segment specific information removed from the NTAP.

Valerie commented that for the time being, the NTAP is the only place where segment specific cold

temperature correction information is published. Rich said that it was his understanding that the segments

were to be kept in the NTAP for one year to allow Part 121 carriers to train their crews. Christopher Collins,

Delta Air Lines, expressed concern, stating that Delta was not aware of such an agreement and emphasized

that Part 121 operators still need the cold weather segment correction information.

Lynette (Jamison) McSpadden, FAA/AJR-B11, announced to the audience that an FAA safety panel has

started work on the process of phasing out the NTAP. The panel will determine where current NTAP

information can be published in the future.

In light of this development, the subject of where cold weather information should be published was

discussed. Many operators stressed that they still need segment specific temperatures and the depiction of

this information on approach charts was reintroduced. Valerie voiced that if the temperatures were to be

procedure-specific and depicted on the approach charts, the only likely conduit to source this would be the

8260 procedure source document. After a lengthy discussion, Al Herndon, MITRE, suggested that that this

issue should be taken back to the PARC Navigation Working Group.

Valerie summarized and stated that all of the original action items for this issue have been accomplished. In

light of the remaining procedural and segment-specific issues, it is recommended that this item be

submitted to the FAA PARC Navigation Working Group for further discussion. Rich agreed and volunteered

to take this item to that group. If further recommendations arise, they can be resubmitted to the ACF as

new proposals. Valerie suggested that this agenda item be closed in the Charting Group portion of the ACF

and the audience agreed.

STATUS: CLOSED

16-01-303 Terminal Area Charts (TAC) and Charting IFR Arrival/Departure Routes

Rich Fecht, FAA/AJV-5223, reviewed the issue. Rick stated that the Visual Charting Team has been in touch

with the various air traffic facilities regarding the addition of new VFR Flyway Charts and the six TACs that do

not currently have IFR arrival/departure routes charted. As a result, a new VFR Flyway Planning Chart was

added effective 25 May 2017 to the New Orleans Terminal Area Chart. Boston and Memphis are still taking

the recommendation under consideration. The remaining six Centers declined.

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As far as the addition of IFR Arrival/Departure Routes, five ATC Centers requested that the routes be added

to their TACs. Two Centers, Denver and Memphis are still taking the recommendation under consideration.

(Details provided in Presentation, Slide #2).

Rick suggested that future updates can be provided as a quick briefing and he moved for the item to be

closed. The audience agreed.

STATUS: CLOSED

16-02-309 Publishing of CLNC DEL Phone Numbers in Chart Supplement

Jeff Black, FAA/AJR-B6, reviewed the issue and provided updates on progress made on Part I of the

implementation since the last ACF. He reported that ATC phone numbers for 656 airports have been

databased in NASR and published in the Chart Supplement. He also reported that the AIM is in the process

of being updated regarding the use of clearance delivery phone numbers. He added that the FAA Joint Order

7210.3 guidance has also been updated to ensure the proper submission and maintenance of the data.

Valerie Watson, FAA/AJV-553, commented that explanatory text should be added to the Chart Supplement

to describe the intent and the use of the phone numbers. Jeff said he would coordinate with her on that

language.

Jeff stated that work has now begun on Part II which is to move the telephone relay of all remaining IFR

clearance functions from Flight Service to ATC. He reported that 25 approach control facilities responded

resulting in over 200 additional airports that will be updated to include a clearance delivery phone number.

These additional numbers are expected to be submitted for publication in late spring 2018. He then

reported that for all other uncontrolled airports, pilots will obtain a clearance by calling the overlying ARTCC

Flight Data Unit. He recommends that these numbers be published in the back portion of the Chart

Supplement.

Rune Duke, AOPA, expressed his concern over the maintenance of the phone numbers. Valerie expressed

concern that pilots will not look for the phone numbers in the back of the Chart Supplement. Rune agreed

and suggested that a phone number be published for all airports in the airport entry. Rich Boll, NBAA,

agreed and stated that in today’s data driven world, the information needs to be sourced at the airport. Jeff

voiced that he believes that would be ideal. Scott Jerdan, FAA/AJV-533, said that he would pursue the

recommendation within his NASR data publication group. He stated that if publication of ARTCC clearance

phone numbers to all affected airports were to be accomplished, it would likely take several chart cycles.

Jeff then stated that he has noticed that some of the phone numbers in the Chart Supplement airport

entries are not placed in a consistent location. He said that he would work to identify those discrepancies

and submit them to AJV-5 for further research. Scott committed to standardizing the information location

within NASR which would in turn standardize its publication position within the Supplements.

STATUS: OPEN

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ACTION: Jeff Black, FAA/AJR-B6, will coordinate with Valerie Watson, FAA/AJV-553 on explanatory text for

the Chart Supplement to describe the intent and the use of the CLNC DEL phone numbers.

ACTION: Jeff Black, FAA/AJR-B6, will identify discrepancies in the Chart Supplement entries and submit them

to Scott Jerdan, FAA/AJV-533, for further research.

ACTION: Scott Jerdan, FAA/AJV-533, will coordinate with Jeff Black, FAA/AJR-B6, to enter 200 additional

airports CLNC DEL phone numbers into NASR. Expected late spring 2018.

ACTION: Scott Jerdan, FAA/AJV-533, will look into the feasibility of entering an ARTCC phone number in

NASR for all other uncontrolled airports.

ACTION: Scott Jerdan, FAA/AJV-533, will standardize the NASR location for the phone numbers and revise

non-compliant entries.

16-02-310 Inclusion of MSA Info for ODPs, SIDs & STARs

John Bordy, FAA/AFS-420, stated this item has been taken to the US-IFPP, however it has not been given a

high priority within that arena. He anticipates that they will address the issue at the next meeting which is

scheduled to take place in January 2018. John will provide an update at the next ACF.

STATUS: OPEN

ACTION: John Bordy, FAA/AFS-420, will report on discussions that take place at the January 2018 meeting of

the US-IFPP.

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VI. New Charting Topics

17-02-311 TFR Charting: Recommendations of the RTCA Tactical Operations Committee

Rune Duke, AOPA, briefed the new item. Rune said that there has been a big push from the Radio Technical

Commission for Aeronautics (RTCA) on this issue. Rune stressed that making Temporary Flight Restriction

(TFR) information easily accessible to pilots is very important. He stated that VFR pilots are suffering more

violations because of a lack of easily accessible and timely TFR information. The RTCA Tactical Operations

Committee has 8 recommendations for ways to improve how TFRs are communicated:

Recommendation 1 – “Long-term TFRs” should be charted on Sectionals and TACs

Recommendation 2 – “Long-term TFRs” should be identified using standardized criteria

Recommendation 3 – Retain NOTAMs for “Long-term TFRs” even after charting

Recommendation 4 – Standardize TFR charting depiction

Recommendation 5 – 56-day chart cycles for Sectionals an TACs

Recommendations 6 – Add sporting event 3 NM rings to controller charts and RVMs

Recommendations 7, 8 – Add sporting event 3 NM rings and “Long-term TFRs” to radar video

maps (RVMs)

Rune went over Recommendations 1 and 2 by briefing TFRs that are charted today on the VFR Charts and

introducing the additional TFRs that are being recommended for charting. He recommended standard

criteria that could be used to identify TFRs for charting (Slide #5). Rick Fecht, FAA/AJV-5223, said that he

would have to take the request back for further study and discussion. He would have to investigate the

definition of a long-term TFR and look at ways to identify those that meet charting criteria. Valerie Watson,

FAA/AJV-553, mentioned that the NOTAM office might help with identification of “long-term TFRs” by

encouraging the proponents of those areas to publish 12-month NOTAMs describing the areas. Otherwise,

Valerie voiced her doubt that these areas will be able to be definitively identified as “long-term”, explaining

the difficulty of adding lifespans of NOTAMs that could potentially add up to 12 months. Lynette (Jamison)

McSpadden, FAA/AJR-B11, will consider how to approach that idea. It was also suggested that perhaps these

long-term TFRs could be handled the same way that Special Use Areas (SUAs) are today. Valerie took the

action to reach out to the Airspace and Rules office to investigate that possibility.

Rune then talked about the lack of standardization in the charting of TFRs. He feels it is important that they

all be charted in exactly the same way so that pilots always know what to look for. Valerie explained that

there are very specific categories of TFRs and they charted differently because they are different,

particularly in the degree of consequence if they are violated. She explained that there are much graver

consequences for violating the Camp David TFR when active than for violating a stadium TFR.

Ted Thompson, Jeppesen, pointed out that when certain TFRs are masked or made more prominent it gives

the user the impression that that information is more important than other information, such as Special Use

Areas, that are in that vicinity.

Rich Boll, NBAA, suggested that, once decided, the charting criteria would need to be explained in the AIM

so users can understand why some TFRs are charted and others are not.

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Discussion then shifted to Recommendation 3 regarding NOTAMs. The recommendation is that FAA retain

the issuance for long-term TFR NOTAMs even after they have been charted. Lynette said that TFR NOTAMs

could potentially remain active in the NOTAM system even if charted, but that she would need to investigate

that policy further and report back.

Rick Fecht, FAA/AJV-5223, provided a response to Recommendation 5 regarding moving to a 56-day chart

cycle for VFR Charts. Rick stated that there is no timeline yet for that change, but that this is one of AJV-5

objectives. He made clear that a 56-day VFR chart cycle would not happen until after the Visual charts have

been fully automated and shared that the automation process is in its beginning stages.

Valerie commented on Recommendations 6, 7, 8 regarding adding sporting venues and TFR information to

controller charts. She stated that the controller charts specifications are not under the purview of AJV-5, but

under the authority of ATC. If ATC requests the addition of the data, AJV-5 can and will chart it. Bennie

Hutto, NATCA, said that he would talk to the RTCA ATC representative and get more information about what

this request would entail. Regarding the addition of data to Radar Video Maps (RVM), Valerie shared that

these products are custom created by AJV-5, are unique for each facility and are compiled as per specific

guidance from local ATC. If an ATC facility asks for the 3NM stadiums, for instance, to be added to their

maps, AJV-5 will add them, all the facilities have to do is send in the request per their normal process for

revisions to their maps. Bennie will communicate this to ATC.

Scott Jerdan, FAA/AJV-533, reported that he is part of an internal working group formed to respond to the

RTCA recommendations which totaled over 50. He suggested that actions in the ACF should ensure that they

are working in-line with this established working group.

STATUS: OPEN

ACTION: Rick Fecht, FAA/AJV-5223, will investigate “long-term” TFR definition and ways to identify those

that meet charting criteria.

ACTION: Lynette (Jamison) McSpadden, FAA/AJR-B11, to investigate the possibility for “long-term TFRs” to

be published as 12 month NOTAMs so that they can be identified as “long-term”. Lynette also will

research NOTAM policy to determine if NOTAMs on “long-term TFRs” can remain active after the

TFR has been charted.

ACTION: Valerie Watson, FAA/AJV-553 will reach out to the Airspace and Rules office regarding the

possibility of publishing and charting “long-term TFRs” as SUAs.

ACTION: Rick Fecht, FAA/AJV-5223, will look at the various depictions of currently charted TFRs and report

back on possible standardization if it is believed that is prudent.

ACTION: Bennie Hutto, NATCA, will talk to the RTCA ATC representative and get more information about

what they are looking for regarding the addition of sporting venues and TFR information to

controller charts. He will also communicate that 3NM stadium rings may be added to RVMs upon

ATC request.

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17-02-312 Standardized Communications on DPs and STARs

Krystal (Behrns) Kime, FAA/AJV-5613, briefed the issue. She stated that she was seeking ACF pilot audience

input on the specific communication information that pilots need to see charted on Departure Procedures

(DPs) and Standard Terminal Arrivals (STARs). She explained that between what is requested on procedure

source forms, what is in the authoritative database (NASR) for frequencies and what the charting

specifications outline, it is often confusing for chart producers to know what to chart. She is seeking

simplification of the requirements from pilot users of the charts in order to standardize the depictions and

insure that the FAA is charting only those frequencies that are necessary. (Refer to Presentation for

examples; Slides #1-#4 DPs and Slides #5-#8 STARS)

The discussion opened with communications on STARs. Krystle asked the audience if providing APP CON and

ATIS on the chart is sufficient. Rich Boll, NBAA commented that ATIS is probably the most important

frequency on STARS followed, by Approach Control (APP CON) and, in some cases, Center frequencies.

Krystal stated that one of the issues chart compilers face is that Center frequency information is difficult to

determine in the source database (NASR). Terminal charting is currently working with the National Flight

Data Center (NFDC) on that particular issue. Ted Thompson, Jeppesen, agreed and stated that the

procedure-specific frequency issue in NASR has been solved for DPs, but for STARs it is difficult to determine

which frequencies to show on a specific chart, particularly when the frequencies are sectorized. Valerie

Watson, FAA/AJV-553, suggested that the specification be written to always chart ATIS and APP CON when

available in the source database and to only chart Center frequencies when specified for charting on the

procedure source document. John Bordy, FAA/AFS-420, agreed, but emphasized that the specific numerical

frequencies themselves will not be published on the procedure source document, only the request to chart

the Center frequencies. Further coordination with NFDC will be needed to ensure the frequencies are

databased clearly and correctly.

Krystle then brought up the same issue with regard to DPs. She asked the audience if ATIS, CLNC DEL, and

DEP CON would be sufficient. Rich stated that CLNC DEL is not needed because it is on the Instrument

Approach Procedure. He thinks pilots only need DEP CON charted. Gary McMullin, Southwest, suggested

that ALL frequencies could be removed from DPs and STARs because what is issued by ATC is often differs

from what is printed on the chart. Rich agreed with Gary with regards to ATIS, however disagreed on the

DEP CON frequency, voicing that pilots use them at secondary airports if they don’t get clearance on the

ground. Rich asked that the FAA retain DEP CON. Several pilots in the audience agreed. Valerie asked if there

was general support to only chart DEP CON on DPs, unless other frequencies are specifically requested on

the procedure source form. There was agreement from the pilot audience. John Bordy, FAA/AFS-420, voiced

that revisions to support this would need to be made to the Arrival portion of the 8260.19 Order and the

8260.46 Departure Order. He stated that there is no frequency documentation guidance in FAA Order

8260.46, only examples. Valerie suggested that based on this discussion, Krystle put together a working

group to draft a proposal for the next ACF with specific recommended changes to the charting specifications

and to FAA Orders 8260.19 and 8260.46.

STATUS: OPEN

ACTION: Krystal (Behrns) Kime, FAA/AJV-5613, will coordinate a working group to draft a proposal of

specification and order changes necessary to standardize the communications for DPs and STARs.

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ACTION: Krystal (Behrns) Kime, FAA/AJV-5613, will continue to coordinate with Scott Jerdan, FAA/AJV-533,

to ensure Center frequencies for STARs are databased clearly and correctly.

17-02-313 Publish Standard Proposed Flight Plan Deletion Times in the Chart Supplement

Valerie Watson, FAA/AJV-553, briefed the issue. Valerie commented that she reached out to the proponent

by email and shared with her that the Chart Supplement is not the appropriate place for the publication of

flight plan deletion times. She explained that there is no flight plan guidance in the Supplements and there

would thus be no expectation by pilots to find this narrow aspect of flight plan information in that

publication. She suggested to the proponent that such information should appear in the AIM and possibly on

the FAA Flight Planning Information website. The proponent was not in attendance. There was agreement to

close this item.

STATUS: CLOSED

17-02-314 Charting of ILS Classification System for Category I ILS Approaches

Michael Stromberg, UPS, and Chris Zimmerman, UPS, briefed the issue. Michael described a problem that

has been encountered by pilots under Part 121 operations when attempting to fly autoland procedures on

ILS approaches. In order to be able to evaluate if autoland procedures can be used, the flight crews need to

know and understand the ILS classification code for the facility. Currently, ILS classification codes are only

published in the Chart Supplement airport entries. There is also some explanatory language in the Chart

Supplement front matter pages. Michael emphasized that pilots do not have access to such information in-

flight. He recommends that ILS classification codes be included on Instrument Approach Charts.

Michael added that currently there is nothing in the AIM that informs pilots about autoland procedures or

ILS classification codes. He suggested that language be added and he showed the audience his suggested

AIM changes (Slides #9 and #10).

Rich Boll, NBAA, acknowledged Michael’s points, however he pointed out that UPS uses tailored charts and

perhaps that is the best way to communicate this type of information to the flight crews. He asked of what

use the ILS classification codes on the chart would be to pilots who cannot use autoland. He stated that this

would be adding information to the charts that is not for general use.

Ted Thompson, Jeppesen, said that this is the first request he has heard for the depiction of this

information. In terms of charting, he said that it could either be shown as an equipment note or it could be

included as part of the NAVAID box. He emphasized that pilots are always asking for the charts to be less

cluttered and this would be adding something to the chart which has limited applicability. He also pointed

out that he doesn’t know if Jeppesen currently captures ILS classification codes in their database.

John Johnson, FAA/AJV-5332, commented that ILS classification codes are part of the NASR subscriber file.

He suggested that the data can be obtained online via eNASR, downloaded as text field file and then

imported into a spreadsheet.

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Consensus of the audience was that this information should not be placed on the charts. It was agreed that

language should be added to the AIM and the Instrument Procedure Handbook (IPH).

STATUS: OPEN

ACTION: Michael Stromberg, UPS, will coordinate with John Blair, FAA/AFS-410, and Rich Boll, NBAA, on the

publication of explanatory text for the AIM and IPH.

ACTION: Valerie Watson, FAA/AJV-553, will track the publication of AIM changes in order to make

corresponding updates to the chart supplement explanatory text if necessary.

ACTION: Scott Jerdan, FAA/AJV-533, will work toward a NASR update to add the full set of classification

codes that includes the letter designation (E is currently included as a remark) to the ILS Category

dropdown.

17-02-315 Updating Terminal Procedure Publication (TPP) Comparable Values of RVR and Visibility Table

Tony Lawson, FAA, AJV-553, introduced the issue. He briefed that he is making an effort to harmonize the

values in the Comparable Values of RVR and Visibility table that is published in the Legend of the TPP with

the values that are published in FAA Order 8260.3C. The current Table in the TPP does not contain all of the

values used in TERPS so sometimes the next higher RVR value has to be used to determine the visibility that

is published on the chart. This can result in visibility values that are unnecessarily high. Tony would like to

resolve this problem by adding the missing RVR values to the table in the TPP in addition to modifying the

Visibility for RVR 6000 from 1 ¼ to 1 ⅛ to agree with 8260.3C.

Rich Boll, NBAA, stated that though in concept he approves of this idea, the table that is published in the TPP

is governed by what is published in 14 CFR Part 91.175(h). He explained that regulations require pilots to use

the table that is published in the CFR. John Bordy, FAA/AFS-420, agreed and stated that the TPP conversion

table must harmonize with that in the CFR. He believes that if the value in Tony’s proposed table for RVR

6000 were revised to agree with that in the CFR (1 ¼), the proposal to add interim RVR values could likely be

determined to be in compliance with the CFR. He said the FAA could also pursue revision of the CFR to

accomplish the reduced RVR 6000 visibility, but acknowledged that would likely be a lengthy process and

could be difficult to achieve.

Steve Woodbury, Flight Safety International, voiced that if and when these changes are implemented,

explanatory language would be needed to explain the added RVR values and the reasons for there being

more RVR values listed in the TPP table than are listed in the CFR.

Valerie Watson, FAA/AJV-553, asked why RVR 1800 is not listed in the revised table. Tony said that they

could add that too. Valerie said that if all possible RVR values seen on approach charts were added to the

table, the rounding requirement could be removed.

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Rich agreed and suggested Tony should add all possible RVR values to the table and change the visibility for

RVR 6000 to 1¼ to agree with the CFR. This revised table could then be vetted through General Council to

ask if it is consistent with the CFR. If approved, the new table could be published in the TPP.

John Blair, FAA/AFS-410, said that he will work on rulemaking to update the CFR and that in the interim he

would take the revised table to General Counsel and see if it he can obtain a legal determination that the

expanded table complies with the CFR. Tony said he would provide John with the revised table.

STATUS: OPEN

ACTION: Tony Lawson, FAA/AJV-553, will draft revised Comparable Values of RVR and Visibility tables and

work with John Blair, FAA/AFS-410, and John Bordy, FAA/AFS-420, on compliance and rulemaking

for its implementation.

ACTION: John Blair, FAA/AFS-410, will begin work on rulemaking changes to 14 CFR Part 91.175(h) to

harmonize it with FAA Order 8260.3C (expanded RVR values so no interpolation is required and

revised RVR 6000 value of 1 ⅛).

ACTION: John Blair, FAA/AFS-410, will take the revised Comparabable Values of RVR and Visibility table

(expanded RVR values so no interpolation is required but retaining RVR 6000 value of 1 ¼ per

current CFR) through the FAA’s Office of General Council to see if it complies with 14 CFR Part

91.175(h).

17-02-316 Improving OROCA to Meet FAR 91.177 Requirements

Rune Duke, AOPA, presented this recommendation. Rune explained that with the ongoing transition to a

Performance Based Navigation (PBN) National Airspace System (NAS) where much of the ground-based

route structure is being removed, there is a going to be an increasing need for off-route safe altitudes. He

described the FAR 91.177 requirements and stated that there is a need to address the gap between those

requirements and what is being provided to pilots. Rune’s Point-to-Point Navigation working group has been

meeting since the last ACF and in talking about this issue, they are pursuing the use of Off Route Obstruction

Clearance Altitudes (OROCA) for use as minimum flight altitudes. However, in order for OROCA to be used

for navigation, several issues must first be addressed. Rune then went over his specific recommendations

with regard to OROCA.

1. Continuous evaluation of OROCA values via the Obstruction Evaluation/Airport Airspace Analysis (OE/AAA) program.

2. A NOTAM policy must be developed for off-cycle OROCA changes. 3. The Alaska OROCA grid size (currently 2°x 2°) should be changed to be the same as the CONUS

(1°x 1°). 4. The FAA should update the AIM and Instrument Procedures Handbook to inform pilots that

OROCA values assure compliance with FAR 91.177 but are not an altitude to which ATC will clear an aircraft to fly except incidentally.

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Valerie Watson, FAA/AJV-553, stated that the Enroute charting group has investigated changing the grid size

in Alaska to be the same as the CONUS and have determined that it can be accomplished. She said that they

will continue to work this initiative and will advise when it can be implemented.

Rich Boll, NBAA, commented that under current regulations and operations, the pilot is legally responsible

for off-route navigation, however he points out that the FAA is not providing NOTAMs for temporary

obstacles. John Bordy, FAA/AFS-420, explained that there is an obstacle reporting requirement through the

OE/AAA process so the FAA does have the obstacles, temporary and permanent, but only evaluates them for

their effect on flight procedures and airways, not OROCAs. He believes that FAA Order 7400.2 would have to

be modified if it is necessary that all obstacles affecting OROCAs are to be published via NOTAM.

Valerie pointed out that AJV-5 currently runs a tool every 56 days to determine changes to the published

OROCA values on FAA Enroute charts. She suggested that her organization could look into the possibility of

running that program daily. It was pointed out that the OROCA program currently used does not account for

temporary obstructions. Valerie suggested that AJV-5 look into how Minimum IFR Altitude (MIA) and

Minimum Vectoring Altitude (MVA) values are calculated for ATC use and determine whether the same pool

of obstacles could be used for a daily AJV-5 assessment of OROCA values. Rune agreed that if the same

process could be used for the calculation of OROCAs as is currently used for MIA and MVA assessment, that

would be sufficient. There was general agreement by the audience.

NOTAM authority and the process for publication of OROCA changes occurring between chart cycles was

then discussed. Lynette (Jamison) McSpadden, FAA/AJR-B11, said that if these were published as FDC

NOTAMs, they would be promulgated by Oklahoma City. If they are determined to be Center-driven, then

they would be initiated by the Operation Support Groups (OSGs). Valerie said that her offices would work

with the NOTAM office to determine a process for the publication of OROCA NOTAMs.

Valerie then mentioned that the Enroute chart legend panels contain a textual description of OROCA and

that if that text is to be changed, AJV-5 would need to receive revised descriptive text from appropriate

authority.

STATUS: OPEN

ACTION: Brian Murphy, FAA/AJV-562, will investigate how MIA and MVA assessment is done (using what

obstacles) and determine if the same can be applied to the AJV-5 OROCA assessment.

ACTION: Brian Murphy, FAA/AJV-562, will investigate the feasibility/possibility of running the modified

OROCA tool on a daily basis vs every 56-days.

ACTION: Valerie Watson, FAA/AJV-553, will work with the Lynette (Jamison) McSpadden, FAA/AJR-B11, to

determine what would potentially be the process for publication of NOTAMs for OROCA changes.

ACTION: Valerie Watson, FAA/AJV-553, will draft a specification change to accommodate revision of the

existing Alaska grid size to match CONUS (1° x 1°).

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17-02-317 Nome Selection Panel Extension

Marshall Severson, Private Pilot, presented this new recommendation. Marshall stated that the

discontinuation of WAC CC-8 has resulted in the loss of easy access to VFR navigation information in the

Russian areas bordering Alaska. He also pointed out that it is very difficult to obtain Russian VFR charts and

said that they are not updated regularly. His recommendation is that the NOME VFR Sectional chart be

extended two panels to the west in order to provide coverage for the areas lost due to the WAC

discontinuance. If this is not possible, he asked that the Sectional at least be extended as far as the first

airport of entry in the Russian Far East.

Rick Fecht, FAA/AJV-5223, responded and said that it is very difficult and expensive to reformat the charts

and extending the Section two panels would exceed the size that the printer can support. He added that the

FAA is not under any obligation to chart foreign airspace. Scott Jerdan, FAA/AJV-533, commented that on all

charts where foreign coverage is depicted, there is a note on the chart to alert the user to secure and use

the foreign data. Rick pointed out that an exception was made in the Caribbean area when certain Sectional

charts were modified in response to the WAC discontinuance. That action was accommodated because of a

high level of use and user demand. Rick asked if there is a high level of use in this Russian airspace to justify

the expansion of the Nome chart. He suggested a possible solution is for pilots to use the Alaskan Wall

Planning Chart and confirmed that the two Russian airports of entry could be added to that product. Rick

also suggested that pilots could use NGAs Tactical Pilotage Charts (TPC) to fill in the coverage gaps.

Marshall commented that the detail level on the WAC charts was much higher than that found on the TPCs.

Marshall then displayed what appears on a ForeFlight display in this region. John Collins, ForeFlight, stated

that the TPCs provide navigation information, limited terrain, cities and some features in this area. Rick

asked if ForeFlight could add the TPCs to their digital depictions in this area. John said that he could take

that suggestion to ForeFlight.

Tim Long, NGA, stated that TPCs are available, however he voiced he was unsure of their timely

maintenance. He also said that they do not have all of the aeronautical detail that the WACs depicted.

Rune Duke, AOPA, commented on this unforeseen consequence of the discontinuance of the WAC series.

He stated that their user group had been impacted by this loss of coverage and valuable flight information.

He said that AOPA fully supports this recommendation and does not think that a strictly digital solution is

sufficient. He stated that AOPA supports extension of the Sectional chart to cover the area lost by the WAC

discontinuance.

Rick stated that he will investigate this recommendation further, seek guidance from AJV-5 upper

management and will report at the next ACF.

STATUS: OPEN

ACTION: Rick Fecht, FAA/AJV-5223, will work with NGA to investigate the use of Tactical Pilotage Charts for

the gaps in sectional coverage.

ACTION: Rick Fecht, FAA/AJV-5223, will report on internal AJV-5 discussions regarding the possibility of

extending the Sectional chart coverage or of creating an inset to include the requested area.

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ACTION: John Collins, ForeFlight, will inquire about the possibility of incorporating TPCs into ForeFlight and

report at the next ACF.

17-02-318 Charting of Helicopter Route per RNP NAVSPEC 0.3

Mike Webb, FAA/AFS-420, briefed the issue. Mike stated that in the recent publication of Advisory Circular

90-105A a new Navigation Specification (NAVSPEC) was defined for helicopters. It will be applied solely to

helicopters using GPS and with avionics capable of RNP 0.3 accuracy. Mike is recommending that for the

enroute application, an RNP 0.3 indicator be added to low altitude helicopter TK routes where applicable. He

pointed out that there is already a field for RNP values on FAA Airway Form 8260.16.

Ted Thompson, Jeppesen, stated that internationally, they have charted RNP values on airway identifiers. It

was determined that this was insufficient and that they should be charting them on waypoints at the

beginnings and ends of the relevant segments. This resulted in pilot confusion. They then decided to take

them off the charts entirely and only store the NAVSPEC in the database. Ted did acknowledge that there is

a need to label the narrowing of the airway and he suggested the possibility of depicting the NAVSPEC as an

equipment note for the airway.

John Moore, Jeppesen, asked if all TK routes will be RNP 0.3. Mike said that the 0.3 would be an exception to

the standard. He suggested a charting option to explain the standard RNP value for TK routes on chart

legends and in the AIM and then chart on routes only those that are an exception. A potential confusion was

voiced that this may become very complicated if the RNP values vary by segment. Mike stated that if a route

is RNP 0.3, it is RNP 0.3 for the entire extent of the route and would not vary by segment.

Rich Boll, NBAA, asked if an RNP 0.3 route will be stripped from the aircraft’s database if they don’t have the

capability to fly it. If it’s not extractable from the database this doesn’t work. John Collins, Foreflight, stated

that the flight plan can be used to exclude a pilot from flying a procedure they aren’t capable of. Rune Duke,

AOPA, added that you could be cleared to fly a route that you did not file for. He asked if the controller

would be aware that a given aircraft could not fly that route. Bennie Hutto, NATCA, said ATC does not know

what the aircraft is qualified for. Rune said that in that case, he believes that RNP values need to be charted.

Joshua Fenwick, Garmin, voiced that ARINC 424 has not yet added in NAVSPECS for airways.

Mike, in response to the discussion and feedback from the audience, proposed that a workgroup be

convened that he is willing to chair to investigate the issue further.

STATUS: OPEN

ACTION: Mike Webb, FAA/AFS-420, will report on progress of the Helicopter RNP Values Workgroup.

Workgroup

Mike Webb FAA/AFS-420 202-267-8942 mike.webb@faa.gov

John Moore Jeppesen 703-505-0672 john.moore@jeppesen.com

Ted Thompson Jeppesen 303-328-4456 ted.thompson@jeppesen.com

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Zac Noble HAI 703-302-1608 zac.noble@rotor.com

Joshua Fenwick Garmin 913-228-9779 Joshua.Fenwick@garmin.com

Rune Duke AOPA 202-509-9515 Rune.Duke@aopa.org

Rich Boll NBAA 316-655-8856 richjb2@rjb2.onmicrosoft.com

John Kernaghan NBAA 610-996-2977 jkernagh@its.jnj.com

John Collins GA Pilot/ForeFlight 704-576-3561 n7083n@att.net

Richard Mayhew FAA/AJV-5331 202-267-6441 richard.p.mayhew@faa.gov

Curtis Davis FAA/AJI-121 202-267-9270 curtis.davis@faa.gov

Valerie Watson FAA/AJV-553 301-427-5155 Valerie.S.Watson@faa.gov

Diego Velasco FAA/AJV-5211 301-427-4877 diego.velasco@faa.gov

Sam Blackwell Jacobs Engineering 603-546-4500 sam.blackwell@jacobs.com

17-02-319 Addition of VFR and Visual Flight Segments on Copter Approach & Departure Procedures

Mike Webb, FAA/AFS-420 briefed the issue. Mike stated that in the near future numerous public-use Copter

Departures will be published. In the process of developing charting specifications for these procedures, it

was discovered that there are currently copter procedures published that have a Visual segment and there

are some that have a VFR segment. These have always been depicted in the same manner on the charts, but

they have major differences. Visual segments have been assessed for obstacles and are defined by a course

that may be flown using the bearing and distance provided. VFR segments have not been assessed for

obstacles, there is no specific route to fly, and the pilot is responsible for avoiding obstacles. Although a

reference bearing and distance may be supplied for VFR segments, this is not a course the aircraft is

intended to follow. It is recommended that a new charting specification be put into place for the two

distinct types of segments. Mike would like input on the proposed depiction options.

Mike displayed examples of how the segments are shown today, and examples of his recommendations for

the depiction of visual segments and VFR segments. He is recommending that for visual segments, the

current depiction of the heavy dashed line should remain. For VFR segments, he proposed two different

depictions. The first is a thin solid line with the reference bearing and distance included on the line (Slides #8

and #9). The second is with no line depicted but the inclusion of the reference bearing and distance

information located in proximity to the landing point.

Pilots in the room concurred with depiction of the visual segment with the heavy dashed line.

In regard to the proposed depiction of VFR segments, Tim Long, NGA, commented that if you show a line on

a chart with a bearing and distance, a pilot will fly that line. This is dangerous as the line is not intended to

be the course the pilot is to follow. Rich Boll, NBAA, agreed. There was concurrence from the pilots in the

room for not showing a line on VFR segments as it could easily be mistakenly interpreted as a course to fly.

There was no voiced support for depiction of linework on VFR segments.

Mike stated that he will work with Valerie Watson, FAA/AJV-553, on the specification changes. He also said

he would work on socializing this change with the helicopter community.

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STATUS: OPEN

ACTION: Valerie Watson, FAA/AJV-553, will draft a specification change for the depiction of VFR segments

without the reference bearing depicted as a line.

VII. Closing Remarks

Valerie Watson, FAA/AJV-553, thanked the attendees for their participation and voiced special appreciation

to Rune Duke and AOPA for hosting the ACF.

Notices of the official minutes will be announced via email and provided via the Internet. The two website

addresses (CG and IPG) are provided below:

Charting Group – http://www.faa.gov/air_traffic/flight_info/aeronav/acf/

Instrument Procedures Group –

http://www.faa.gov/about/office_org/headquarters_offices/avs/offices/afs/afs400/afs420/acfipg/

Please note the attached Office of Primary Responsibility (OPR) listing for action items. It is requested that

all OPRs be prepared to provide verbal input at the next Forum or provide the Chair, Valerie Watson (with

an informational copy to Alex Rushton, Contract Support), a written status update. These status reports will

be used to compile the minutes of the meeting and will serve as a documented statement of your

presentation.

Appreciation to Jennifer Hendi, FAA/AJV-553, for presentation assistance for the CG portion of the forum,

conference support pre- and post-conference, and to Alex Rushton, Contract Support to FAA/AJV-553, for

taking the minutes and conference support pre- and post-conference.

VIII. Next Meeting

ACF 18-01 is scheduled for April 24-26, 2018, host MITRE, McLean, VA.

ACF 18-02 is scheduled for October 23-25, 2018, host TBD

IX. Attachments

a. 17-02 Attendee Roster

b. Office of Primary Responsibility (OPR)

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ACF Charting Group Open Issues and OPR from Meeting 17-02

OPR Presentation, ACF Working Group, Project Report, or Issue Number & Title (Name) Required action

AFS-410 13-01-270 Step Down Fix Chart Notes (McGray)

Bruce McGray to report back on the status of the revised stepdown fix AIM guidance. 16-01-301 RVR Locations in FAA Documentation (Blair) John Blair and Brian Murphy, FAA/AJV-563, to review ACF input regarding the NASR generated ILS Components List, work on suggested modifications, and report back at the next ACF. 17-02-314 Charting of ILS Classification System for Category I ILS Approaches (Blair) John Blair to coordinate with Michael Stromberg, UPS, and Rich Boll, NBAA, on the publication of explanatory text for the AIM and IPH. 17-02-315 Updating Terminal Procedure Publication (TPP) Comparable Values of RVR and Visibility Table (Blair) Tony Lawson, FAA/AJV-553, will draft revised Comparable Values of RVR and Visibility tables and work with John Blair and John Bordy, FAA/AFS-420, on compliance and rulemaking for its implementation. 17-02-315 Updating Terminal Procedure Publication (TPP) Comparable Values of RVR and Visibility Table (Blair) John Blair will begin work on rulemaking changes to 14 CFR Part 91.175(h) to harmonize it with FAA Order 8260.3C (expanded RVR values so no interpolation is required and revised RVR 6000 value of 1 ⅛). 17-02-315 Updating Terminal Procedure Publication (TPP) Comparable Values of RVR and Visibility Table (Blair) John Blair will take the revised Comparable Values of RVR and Visibility table (expanded RVR values so no interpolation is required but retaining RVR 6000 value of 1 ¼ per current CFR) through the FAA’s Office of General Council to see if it complies with 14 CFR Part 91.175(h).

AFS-420

13-01-270 Stepdown Fix Chart Notes (Bordy) John Bordy to move forward with revised guidance in FAA Order 8260.19 after the new AIM language is published.

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AFS-420 (Cont.)

15-02-298 Charting of GLS DMax (Bordy) John Bordy and Joel Dickenson, FAA/AFS-470, will take the ACF pilot consensus to their management to continue to try to find a workable solution. 16-02-310 Inclusion of MSA Info for ODPs, SIDs & STARs (Bordy) John Bordy will report on discussions that take place at the January 2018 meeting of the US-IFPP. 17-02-315 Updating Terminal Procedure Publication (TPP) Comparable Values of RVR and Visibility Table (Bordy) Tony Lawson, FAA/AJV-553, will draft revised Comparable Values of RVR and Visibility tables and work with John Blair, FAA/AFS-410, and John Bordy on compliance and rulemaking for its implementation. 17-02-318 Charting of Helicopter Route per RNP NAVSPEC 0.3 (Webb) Mike Webb will report on progress of the Helicopter RNP Values Workgroup.

AFS-470 15-02-298 Charting GLS DMax (Service Volume) (Dickenson) Joel Dickenson and John Bordy, FAA/AFS-420, will take the ACF pilot consensus to their management to continue to try to find a workable solution.

15-02-298 Charting GLS DMax (Service Volume) (Dickenson) Joel Dickenson will continue to work with the proponent and others invested in this issue to address their concerns.

AJM-34 CPDLC Briefing (Anderson) Gregg Anderson will work on AIM guidance regarding the universal KUSA logon. CPDLC Briefing (Anderson) Gregg Anderson and Valerie Watson, FAA/AJV-553, will set up a working group to discuss the Enroute application of CPDLC.

AJM-324 Discontinuation of VOR Services (Salcedo) Leonixa Salcedo to provide an update at next ACF.

AJR-B6

16-02-309 Publishing of CLNC DEL Phone Numbers in Chart Supplement (Black) Jeff Black will coordinate with Valerie Watson, FAA/AJV-553 on explanatory text for the Chart Supplement to describe the intent and the use of the CLNC DEL phone numbers.

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AJR-B6 (Cont.)

16-02-309 Publishing of CLNC DEL Phone Numbers in Chart Supplement (Black) Jeff Black will identify discrepancies in the Chart Supplement entries and submit them to Scott Jerdan, FAA/AJV-533, for further research. 16-02-309 Publishing of CLNC DEL Phone Numbers in Chart Supplement (Black) Jeff Black to coordinate with Scott Jerdan, FAA/AJV-533, to enter 200 additional airports CLNC DEL phone numbers into NASR. Expected late spring 2018.

AJR-B11 NOTAM Briefing (NOTAM Office) NOTAM Office will provide an update at the next ACF. 17-02-311 TFR Charting: Recommendations of the RTCA Tactical Operations Committee (McSpadden) Lynette (Jamison) McSpadden to investigate the possibility for “long-term TFRs” to be published as 12 month NOTAMs so that they can be identified as “long-term”. Lynette also will research NOTAM policy to determine if NOTAMs on “long-term TFRs” can remain active after the TFR has been charted. 17-02-316 Improving OROCA to Meet FAR 91.177 Requirements (McSpadden) Lynette (Jamison) McSpadden will work with the Valerie Watson, FAA/AJV-553, to determine what would potentially be the process for publication of NOTAMs for OROCA changes

AJV-113 07-01-195 Charting & AFD Information Regarding Class E Surface Areas (Gallant) Paul Gallant will report on updating of the airspace legal descriptions.

AJV-533

CPDLC Briefing (Jerdan) Scott Jerdan will work to establish NASR population of ARTCC CPDLC information. 13-01-262 Airport Facility Directory (AFD) Depiction of Traffic Pattern Altitudes (Mayhew & Jerdan) Rick Mayhew and Scott Jerdan will work with the Office of Airports to make changes to FAA Form 7480-1, Notice of Landing Area Proposal to clarify collection of TPA information. 13-01-262 Airport Facility Directory (AFD) Depiction of Traffic Pattern Altitudes (Jerdan) Scott Jerdan will coordinate a NASR cleanup to ensure that only non-standard TPAs are listed in the database. This cleanup can begin after the publication of the revised AIM language.

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AJV-533 (Cont.)

15-01-295 Charting of Airports for the MON (Jerdan) Scott Jerdan will work on NASR and NFDC Portal updates to accommodate the MON Airport designation. Once in place, he will populate NASR initially from the list provided by the MON Program Office. 16-02-309 Publishing of CLNC DEL Phone Numbers in Chart Supplement (Jerdan) Scott Jerdan will coordinate with Jeff Black, FAA/AJR-B6, to enter 200 additional airports CLNC DEL phone numbers into NASR. Expected late spring 2018.

16-02-309 Publishing of CLNC DEL Phone Numbers in Chart Supplement (Jerdan)

Scott Jerdan will look into the feasibility of entering an ARTCC phone number in NASR for all other uncontrolled airports.

16-02-309 Publishing of CLNC DEL Phone Numbers in Chart Supplement (Jerdan)

Scott Jerdan will standardize the NASR location for the phone numbers and revise non-compliant entries.

17-02-312 Standardized Communications on DPs and STARs (Jerdan) Scott Jerdan will continue to coordinate with Krystal (Behrns) Kime, FAA/AJV-5613, to ensure Center frequencies for STARs are databased clearly and correctly.

17-02-314 Charting of ILS Classification System for Category I ILS Approaches (Jerdan) Scott Jerdan will work toward a NASR update to add the full set of classification codes that includes the letter designation (E is currently included as a remark) to the ILS Category dropdown.

AJV-553

CPDLC Briefing (Watson) Valerie Watson will monitor AIM guidance publication, take action to add explanatory text to the front of the Chart Supplement to describe the new KUSA logon. CPDLC Briefing (Watson) Valerie Watson and Gregg Anderson, FAA/AJM-34, will set up a working group to discuss the Enroute application of CPDLC. 13-01-262 Airport Facility Directory (AFD) Depiction of Traffic Pattern Altitudes (Watson) Valerie Watson will report on the status of the publication of the revised AIM language and work to revise the Chart Supplement TPA explanatory text.

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AJV-553 (Cont.)

13-01-270 Stepdown Fix Chart Notes (Watson) Valerie Watson will move forward with the specification change to update the TPP Legend Profile View page to clarify stepdown fix use after the new AIM language is published. 14-01-279 Naming of FAA Certified, National Disseminated AWOS-3 Systems on Private Use Airports (Watson) Valerie Watson will move forward with the specification change to chart stand-alone AWOS. 15-01-295 Charting of Airports for the MON (Watson) Valerie Watson will post the existing AIM language on the ACF website to allow comment to the MON Program Office. 15-01-295 Charting of Airports for the MON (Lawson) Tony Lawson will report on discussions regarding the long term maintenance of the MON Airport list after the MON Program Office closes in 2025. 16-02-309 Publishing of CLNC DEL Phone Numbers in Chart Supplement (Watson) Valerie Watson will coordinate with Jeff Black, FAA/AJR-B6 on explanatory text for the Chart Supplement to describe the intent and the use of the CLNC DEL phone numbers.

17-02-311 TFR Charting: Recommendations of the RTCA Tactical Operations Committee (Watson) Valerie Watson will reach out to the Airspace and Rules office regarding the possibility of publishing and charting “long-term TFRs” as SUAs. 17-02-314 Charting of ILS Classification System for Category I ILS Approaches (Watson) Valerie Watson will track the publication of AIM changes in order to make corresponding updates to the chart supplement explanatory text if necessary. 17-02-315 Updating Terminal Procedure Publication (TPP) Comparable Values of RVR and Visibility Table (Lawson) Tony Lawson will draft revised Comparable Values of RVR and Visibility tables and work with John Blair, FAA/AFS-410, and John Bordy, FAA/AFS-420, on compliance and rulemaking for its implementation.

17-02-316 Improving OROCA to Meet FAR 91.177 Requirements (Watson) Valerie Watson will work with the Lynette (Jamison) McSpadden, AJR-B11, to determine what would potentially be the process for publication of NOTAMs for OROCA changes.

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AJV-553 (Cont.)

17-02-316 Improving OROCA to Meet FAR 91.177 Requirements (Watson) Valerie Watson will draft a specification change to accommodate revision of the existing Alaska grid size to match CONUS (1° x 1°). 17-02-319 Addition of VFR and Visual Flight Segments on Copter Approach & Departure Procedures (Watson) Valerie Watson will draft a specification change for the depiction of VFR segments without the reference bearing depicted as a line.

AJV-562 16-01-301 RVR Locations in FAA Documentation (Murphy) Brian Murphy and John Blair, FAA/AFS-410, to review ACF input regarding the NASR generated ILS Components List, work on suggested modifications, and report back at the next ACF. 17-02-316 Improving OROCA to Meet FAR 91.177 Requirements (Murphy) Brian Murphy will investigate how MIA and MVA assessment is done (using what obstacles) and determine if the same can be applied to the AJV-5 OROCA assessment.

17-02-316 Improving OROCA to Meet FAR 91.177 Requirements (Murphy) Brian Murphy will investigate the feasibility/possibility of running the modified OROCA tool on a daily basis vs every 56-days.

AJV-5223 17-02-311 TFR Charting: Recommendations of the RTCA Tactical Operations Committee (Fecht) Rick Fecht will investigate “long-term” TFR definition and ways to identify those that meet charting criteria.

17-02-311 TFR Charting: Recommendations of the RTCA Tactical Operations Committee (Fecht) Rick Fecht will look at the various depictions of currently charted TFRs and report back on possible standardization if it is believed that is prudent.

17-02-317 Nome Selection Panel Extension (Fecht) Rick Fecht will work with NGA to investigate the use of Tactical Pilotage Charts for the gaps in sectional coverage.

17-02-317 Nome Selection Panel Extension (Fecht) Rick Fecht will report on internal AJV-5 discussions regarding the possibility of extending the Sectional chart coverage or of creating an inset to include the requested area.

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AJV-5613 17-02-312 Standardized Communications on DPs and STARs (Kime) Krystal (Behrns) Kime will coordinate a working group to draft a proposal of specification and order changes necessary to standardize the communications for DPs and STARs.

17-02-312 Standardized Communications on DPs and STARs (Kime) Krystal (Behrns) Kime will continue to coordinate with Scott Jerdan, FAA/AJV-533, to ensure Center frequencies for STARs are databased clearly and correctly.

ForeFlight 17-02-317 Nome Selection Panel Extension (Collins) John Collins will inquire about the possibility of incorporating TPCs into ForeFlight and report at the next ACF.

NATCA 17-02-311 TFR Charting: Recommendations of the RTCA Tactical Operations Committee (Hutto) Bennie Hutto will talk to the RTCA ATC representative and get more information about what they are looking for regarding the addition of sporting venues and TFR information to controller charts. He will also communicate that 3NM stadium rings may be added to RVMs upon ATC request.

NBAA 17-02-314 Charting of ILS Classification System for Category I ILS Approaches (Boll) Rich Boll will coordinate with John Blair, FAA/AFS-410, and Michael Stromberg, UPS, on the publication of explanatory text for the AIM and IPH.

UPS 17-02-314 Charting of ILS Classification System for Category I ILS Approaches (Stromberg) Michael Stromberg will coordinate with John Blair, FAA/AFS-410, and Rich Boll, NBAA, on the publication of explanatory text for the AIM and IPH.

Particpant's Name Organization Phone E-mailAbbott, Colby FAA/AJV-113 202-267-9231 colby.abbott@faa.govAbbott, Deke FAA/AFS-220 202-267-3996 deke.abbott@faa.govAbbott, Kathy FAA/AIR-100 202-267-7192 kathy.abbott@faa.govAgarwal, Ravin Continental Airlines ravin.agarwal@coair.com

x Ahmed, Kemal NavTech 44-0-1932-704263 kemal.ahmed@navtech.aeroAllen, Kevin American Airlines 602-717-0283 Kevin.Allen@aa.com

x Anderson, Gregg FAA/AJM-34 202-267-7469 / 236-1290 Gregg.Anderson@faa.gov

Anderson, Reuss Garmin 913-440-5518 reuss.anderson@garmin.com

Armstrong, Fred "Jazz" FAA/AFS-470 202-267-3119 Merrill.Armstrong@faa.gov

Arrighi, Jim FAA/AJV-151 202-267-8837 james.arrighi@faa.govAustin, Iain Dragon Fly Aero 419-792-0132 iaustin@dragonfly.aero

Aviles, Maria A FAA/AEA-220 718-553-4197 maria.a.aviles@faa.govAyers, Rick HERE Technologies 703-989-3221 rick.ayers@here.com

x Babcock, Ric Allied Pilots Assoc. (APA) 210-706-0742 rbabcock@alliedpilots.orgBailey, Melissa AOPA melissa.bailey@aopa.orgBaker, Thomas DoD UAS AI Joint Test 719-238-9400Ball, Allan NetJets 614-239-4873 ball@netjets.com

Barnett, Tracy Emirates Airlines tabarnett@gmail.comBarry, John FAA/AVS-AIR-131 202-267-1665 John.C.Barry@faa.govBaumhardt, Brent NGA 314-676-0653 brent.m.baumhardt@nga.milBeatse, Russell FAA/ATO ESA-ZME 901-368-8537 Russell.c.beatse@faa.govBeaudry, Jacques SIGNAV 405-853-0508 jbeaudry@signav.ca

Beauvais, Mike FAA/ATO 202-267-0454 mike.beauvais@faa.gov

Becker, Hal AOPA 540-729-5968 hal.becker@att.net

Beddoe, David Intergraph Gov Solutions david.beddoe@intergraphgovsolutions.com

x Behrns, Krystle FAA/AJV-5614 301-427-4820 krystle.a.behrns@faa.gov

Belk, John FAA/AJV-141 202-267-8730 john.belk@faa.gov

Bergner, Steve NBAA 845-583-5152 steve.bergner@gmail.com

Bigler, Trent FAA/AFS-470 202-267-8844 trent.bigler@faa.gov

x Black, Jeff FAA/AJR-B 940-504-0409 jeff.black@faa.gov

x Blackwell, Sam Jacobs Engineering 603-546-4500 sam.blackwell@jacobs.com

x Blair, John FAA/AFS-410 202-267-8986 john.blair@faa.gov

Aeronautical Charting Forum / CG & IPG Contact List

Attended

Blake, Michael NATCA 603-218-9747 mblake@natca.net

Bland, George USAF AFFSA 405-582-5010 george.bland@us.af.mil

Bobik, Gary FAA/AJR-B 202-267-6524 gary.ctr.bobik@faa.gov

Bolinger, Regina FAA/ANG-C11 202-267-8828 regina.bolinger@faa.gov

x Boll, Richard NBAA 316-655-8856 richjb2@rjb2.onmicrosoft.com

Bollin, John FAA/AFS-260 916-202-3608 john.bollin@faa.gov

x Bordy, John FAA/AFS-420 405-954-0980 john.bordy@faa.gov

Boyce, Grady Delta AirLines grady.boyce@delta.com

Boynton, Michael NGA michael.g.boynton@nga.milBrackin, John FAA/AFS-240 404-474-5635 jon.k.brackin@faa.govBrasher, Robert Bombardier robert.brashear@aero.bombardier.com

Brenneman, Dog dogbrenneman@yahoo.com

Brisbon, Steve FAA/NFDC 301-427-4905 steve.brisbon@faa.gov

Brown, Mike FAA/AAS-300 202-267-7653 michael.w.brown@faa.govBrown, Trina FAA/AJV-5111 405-954-6234 trina.d.brown@faa.gov

Brumback, Ronald NGA 314-676-0905 ronald.e.brumback@nga.milBryan, Dale Veracity Eng (AJP671) 202-243-9516 dale.bryan@gmail.com

Bryder, Daniel FAA/AJV-5211 301-427-4860 Daniel.Bryder@faa.govBuergel, Rick NetJets rbuergel@netjets.com

Burns, Andrew FAA/AFS-405 202-395-4794 andrew.ctr.burns@faa.gov

Cabler, Hank FAA/AFS-430 202-267-9089 hank.cabler@faa.govx Carlson, Bob FAA/AJV-5641 301-427-5134 robert.d.carlson@faa.gov

Carper, Tim FAA/Nav Prog - JVS (CTR) 202-493-4592 Timothy.T-CTR.Carper@faa.gov

x Carrigan, Tom FAA 301-427-5146 thomas.carrigan@faa.gov

Carty, Robert FAA/AFS-4 202-267-7676 robert.carty@faa.gov

x Cacon, Daniel Jacobs Engineering 405-816-5344 daniel.chacon@jacobs.com

Chandra, Divya USDOT Volpe Center 617-494-3882 divya.chandra@dot.govx Chapman, Kristen FAA/AJV-5612 301-427-4811 kristen.m.chapman@faa.gov

Chappell, Sherry FAA/ANG-C1 202-267-8556 sheryl.chappell@faa.gov

Christianson, Kel FAA/AFS-470 202-267-8838 kel.christianson@faa.govChurch, Gary AMA 703-518-9923 gary.church@avmgt.comCipriano, Mike United Airlines 404-723-6220 michael.cipriano@united.com

x Clausnitzer, Christina FAA/AOV-120 202-267-0993 christina.clausnitzer@faa.gov

Clark, Tom FAA/AJV-W21 425-203-4511 tom.clark@faa.gov

x Clayton, Michael USAF/AFFSA/XAP 405-582-5012 michael.clayton@us.af.mil

x Collins, Christopher Delta Air Lines 314-574-2757 christopher.collins@delta.com

x Collins, John General Aviation Pilot 704-576-3561 n7083n@att.netCombs, Todd FAA/AJV-5611 301-427-4839 todd.m.combs@faa.gov

Comstock, Kevin ALPA 703-689-4176 kevin.comstock@alpa.orgConnell, Robert FAA/AJV-141 202-267-4642 robert.connell@faa.gov

Connolly, Timothy Capital Airspace Group 703-256-2485 tim.connolly@capitolairspace.comCopeland, Debbie FAA/AJV-56 301-427-5070 deborah.l.copeland@faa.govCopeland, Guy FAA/AJV-522 301-427-5499 guy.copeland@faa.gov

x Courtney, Dale FAA/AJW-292 202-267-4537 dale.courtney@faa.gov

x Couchman, Mike NGA 253-678-0842 Michael.R.Couchman@nga.mil

Covington, Neal AeroNavData, Inc. 618-281-8986 x 103 neal@aeronavdata.com

Cramer, Mike MITRE CAASD 616-296-9210 mcramer@mitre.orgCriswell, Chris FAA/AAS-100 202-267-4634 christopher.criswell@faa.govCureton, Lisa FAA/AJV-141 202-267-8823 lisa.cureton@faa.gov

Curling, Mason FAA (CTR)/AFS-405 202-267-1428 mason.ctr.curling@faa.gov

Davis, Alcus FAA/AJV-5331 202-267-6509 alcus.davis@faa.gov

Davis, Curtis FAA/AJI-121 202-267-9270 curtis.davis@faa.gov

Davis, Edwards FAA/AJW-375 301-427-4780 edward.e.davis@faa.gov

Dean, Rob MITRE rdean@mitre.org

Deuvall, Jim CAVU Companies 315-264-2288 jim.deuvall@cavucompanies.comDeAngelis, Randy FAA/AFS-400 (contractor) 202-267-8959 randy.ctr.deangelis@faa.gov

DeCleene, Bruce FAA/AFS-400 202-267-8790 bruce.decleene@faa.gov

DeMaster, Dorsey UPS ddemaster@ups.com

Denton, Jon FAA/AFS-420 405-954-5467 jon.denton@faa.gov

DeVito, Joe JetBlue 718-709-2264 joseph.devito@jetblue.comx Dickinson, Joel FAA/AFS-470 202-267-0480 joel.dickinson@faa.gov

Diggons, Chris FAA/AJI-144 310-725-6681 Chris.Diggons@faa.gov

Dipierro, Giovanni FAA/ATO 972-615-2605 giovanni.dipierro@faa.gov

x Dixon, Douglas FAA/AFS-410 202-267-0327 douglas.dixon@faa.gov

Dougherty, Major Steven USAF 405-734-9092 steven.dougherty@us.af.mil

x Drolet, Michel Transport Canada 613-991-3325 Michel.Drolet@tc.gc.ca

Duda, Andrew FAA/AJV-83 202-267-1115 Andrew.CTR.Duda@faa.gov

Duenas, Jerod Mitre/CAASD 703-983-1259 jduenas@mitre.org

x Duke, Rune AOPA 202-509-9515 Rune.Duke@aopa.orgDunson, Norman NGA 314-676-0599 norman.l.dunson@nga.milDutch, Keith FAA/AJV-84 202-267-0576 keith.dutch@faa.govEdsall, Douglas USAASA 703-806-4417 douglas.m.edsall.civ@mail.mil

Eldredge, Leo Tetra Tech (Contract Support) 571-359-0053 Leo.Eldredge@tetratech.com

Eliel, Erik Alaska Airlines erikeliel@mac.com

Enders, Charles FAA/AFS-220 202-267-4557 charles.j.enders@faa.govEtienne, Ernesto FAA/AJM-324 202-267-7835 ernesto.etienne@faa.gov

Evans, Charlton Insitu/Beoing 541-399-6094 charlton.evans@insitu.com

Farrell, Lori FAA/AJT 202-267-0101 Lori.Farrell@faa.gov

x Fecht, Rick FAA/AJV-5223 301-427-4929 richard.f.fecht@faa.govFee, James FAA/AJI-33 202-267-4572 james.fee@faa.gov

x Fenwick, Joshua Garmin 913-228-9779 Joshua.Fenwick@garmin.com

Ference, Kevin MITRE 703-983-9709 kference@mitre.org

Fernandez, William FAA/AJV-142 202-267-9029 william.v.fernandez@faa.gov

Fetty, Wayne MITRE wfetty@mitre.org

Fiske, Gary FAA/AJV-82 202-267-3156 gary.m.fiske@faa.govx Fitchpatrick, William FAA/AJV-E38 (Contract Support) 404-305-7180 William.CTR.Fitchpatrick@faa.gov

Flood, Frank Air Canada-ACPA 519-942-9014 frank.flood@aircanada.caFlorio, Joseph FAA/AOV-330 202-493-5565 joe.florio@faa.gov

Flowers, Kevin FAA/AJV-5 301-427-4752 kevin.m.flowers@faa.gov

Ford, JoAnn FAA/AJM-324 202-267-4543 joann.y.ford@faa.govFormosa, Jeff MITRE jformosa@mitre.orgForsstrom, Roy Glider Pilot 612-564-0128 roy4strom@gmail.com

Fortunato, Frank FAA/AJW-31/USAF FLT STDS Agency

405-739-9996 Frank.Fortunato@faa.gov

Fredricks, Eric FAA/AJV-83 202-267-0607 eric.fredricks@faa.gov

x Freed, Eric FAA/AJV-52 301-427-5080 eric.freed@faa.govFreeze, Christopher ALPA - Communications 703-481-4462 christopher.freeze@alpa.org

Frenz, Bill MITRE 703-983-7607 wfrenz@mitre.org

Frodge, Sally FAA/AJM-311 202-267-7040 sally.frodge@faa.gov

Funk, Adrienne FAA/AJM-257ZBW 603-879-6448 adrienne.l.funk@faa.govGalbraith, Rob United Flight Operations 281-772-3255 rob.galbraith@united.com

Gale, John NBAA john.gale@honeywell.com

Gallant, Paul FAA/AJV-11 202-267-9361 paul.gallant@faa.govGauch, Mark FAA/AJT-22 202-267-0898Gaumer, Jay FAA/ZKC-530A 913-254-8447 Jay.Gaumer@faa.gov

Gibson, Alan FAA/AJV-5111 405-954-6601 alan.w.gibson@faa.gov

x Gifford, Robert FAA AeroNav Products 301-427-4842 robert.l.gifford@faa.gov

Gill, Kris NGA-SG 571-557-2970 Kris.E.Gill@nga.mil

Gingras, Jeff Jeppesen 303-328-4489 jeffrey.gingras@jeppesen.com

Girard, Daniel Canada DND girard.jmd@forces.gc.caGirbert, Mike Mitre/CAASD 703-983-5190 fgirbert@mitre.orgGibson, Jason FAA/AJV-5 (Contract Support) 301-427-4895 jason.t-ctr.gibson@faa.gov

Gold, Russell FAA/AJV-142 202-267-8924 russell.gold@faa.gov

Goldsmith, Andrew E FAA/AAS-100 202-267-6549 andrew.e.goldsmith@faa.gov

x Gonzalez, George FAA/AJV-54 202-267-0669 george.gonzalez@faa.gov

x Gonzalez, Kasey FAA/AJV-5 301-427-4993 karen.k.gonzalez@faa.gov

Goodlin, Ted FAA/ATO-WNG-D01 303-342-1563 ted.goodlin@faa.gov

Goodson, Robert L NGA FLIP/Charts 571-558-1714 robert.l.goodson@nga.mil

Googe, Wes American Airlines 336-830-4120 wes.googe@aa.com

Gorman, Jeffrey FAA/AFS-460 405-954-5774 jeffrey.c.gorman@faa.gov

Graham, Jim Flight Safety Intl 972-534-3200 jimmy.graham@flightsafety.comGraham, Ron Transport Canada 613-993-5522 ron.graham@tc.gc.caGrant, Jim FAA/AJV-55 301-427-5126 jim.grant@faa.govGray, Jonathan FAA/ATO 202-267-9578 Jonathan.Gray@faa.govGraybill, John FAA/ AJV-55 301-427-4782 john.graybill@faa.govGreenwood, Janet E FAA/AFS-410 202-267-8980 Janet.E.Greenwood@faa.gov

Griffenkranz, Arthur U.S. Navy 843-218-6516 Arthur.griffenkranz@navy.mil Grose, Dan Jacobs Engineering 603-546-4500 dan.grose@jacobs.comHaag, Ron FAA/AJV-5614 301-427-4901 ronald.s.haag@faa.govHamilton, Danny FAA/AFS-460 405-954-9359 danny.e.hamilton@faa.govHammett, Bill Aviation Consultant 240-309-4528 whammett@comcast.net

Hannah, Paul MDA Systems 706-364-5492 phannah@flightopseng.com

Hansen, Randy EAA 888-322-4636 x6522 govt@eaa.org

Hanson, John FAA/AJV-55 301-427-5148 John.Hanson@faa.gov

Harkins, Don FAA/AJV-E23 404-425-2992 Don.Harkins@faa.gov

x Haviland, Al RCAF 204-833-2500 x4698 haviland.aj@gmail.com

x Hawkins, Zann Lido 901-240-5602 william.hawkins@lhsystems.com

Hayes, Alan FAA/ASU 202-267-7357 alan.hayes@faa.govx Hendi, Jennifer FAA/AJV-533 301-427-4816 jennifer.l.hendi@faa.gov

Henegar, Marc Alaska Airlines 714-273-9673 marc.henegar@alaskaair.comx Herndon, Al Mitre/CAASD 703-983-6465 aherndon@mitre.org

Herschler, Dan FAA/ANG-C11 202-267-9853 Dan.Herschler@faa.govHilbert, Michael FAA/AJV-14 202-267-8808 michael.hilbert@faa.govHill, Chris Delta Air Lines 404-715-1929 Christopher.W.Hill@delta.com

Hill, Ron United Flight Operations 832-445-4868 ronthill2@mac.com

Hills, Larry FedEx 901-224-5352 larry.hills@fedex.comHinson, Chris MITRE 703-983-4578 chinson@MITRE.orgHint, Brian FAA/AFS-430 202-267-8415 brian.hint@faa.gov

Hodges, Harry FAA/AFS-440 405-954-5854 Harry.Hodges@faa.govHolden, Kenneth US Army, HQDA DCS G-3-5-7 703-806-3568 kenneth.d.holden.civ@mail.mil

Hood, JD ATC Liason Pilot (Horizon) 503-970-6859 jd.hood@horizonair.comHope, Chris FAA/AFS-410 202-385-4529 chris.hope@faa.gov

Houghton, Adam Foreflight 512-795-4976 adam@foreflight.comx Hudak, Tass MITRE 703-983-2406 thudak@mitre.org

Hughes, Michael FAA/AJR-22 202-267-6568 Michael.Hughes@faa.gov

x Hutto, Bennie NATCA 540-522-6775 bhutto@natca.net

Ingram, Mark ALPA-CHIPS 417-442-7231 markt@shell.Qozzy.netJacobson, Emmy Jeppesen 303-328-4880 emmy.jacobson@jeppesen.comJackson, Jay FAA/AJV-55 202-267-1726 joseph.a.jackson@faa.govJackson, Steve E FAA/AFS-420 405-954-6899 steve.e.jackson@faa.govJanosik, Gregory FAA/AVS 202-267-4560 Gregory.Janosik@faa.gov

x Jerdan, Scott FAA/AJV-533 301-427-5088 richard.s.jerdan@faa.govJermyn, Kyle Jeppesen 303-328-6298 kyle.jermyn@jeppesen.com

Johnson, Jim FAA/ARP-ACE-600 816-329-2600 jim.johnson@faa.gov

x Johnson, John J FAA/AJV-5332 202-267-3625 John.J.Johnson@faa.gov

Jones, Bill GA Pilot 478-955-7236 jonesw@mindspring.com

Jones, Bret AtlasAir 786-265-2296 brett.jones@atlasair.com

Jones, Chris FAA/AFS-410 (Contractor) 202-267-8950 christopher.p-ctr.jones@faa.gov

Jones, Kevin Southwest Airlines klj@mac.comJonker, Reuben NAVCANADA 905-612-5725 reuben.jonker@navcanada.caJordan, Clifton D. FAA/AJI-151 202-267-0818 Clifton.D.Jordan@faa.gov

Kelly, Dennis NATCA 484-767-2548 critpbn@natca.net

x Kelly, Justin Lufthansa (LIDO) 720-257-4807 justin-jerome.kelley@lhsystems.com

Kenton, Jack SCAUWG 951-567-5760 jack.kenton@calpilots.orgKernaghan, John NBAA 610-996-2977 jkernagh@its.jnj.comKerr, Jeff FAA/AFS-470 202-267-6389 jeffrey.kerr@faa.gov

King, Terry FAA/AFS-410 202-267-8934 terry.king@faa.gov

Kinney, Justin USN 240-271-1753 justin.kinney@faa.gov

Knight, Jim FAA/ AVP-300 202-267-4573 james.knight@faa.gov

Knopp, Ken FAA/ANG-E28 609-485-5693 ken.knopp@faa.gov

Knupp, Mark FAA/AJV-724 (Contractor) 202-267-4720 Mark.CTR.Knupp@faa.govKodsi, Khalil FAA/AAS-100 202-267-7553 Khalil.Kodsi@faa.govKrause, Alex AFFSA / A3OT 405-954-1161 alex.krause@us.af.mil

Kruse, Lucy FAA/AJM-0 202-267-6633 lucy.kruse@faa.gov

x Kuhnhenn, Juergen LSY (Lido) 41-44-828 6546 juergen.kuhnhenn@LHSystems.com

Lagioia, Joseph 3E Services 571-334-1400 joe@3eservicesllc.comx Lamphier, Jeffrey FAA/AJV-5 301-427-5051 jeffrey.lamphier@faa.gov

Langert, Ken FAA/AAS-300 202-493-4529 kenneth.langert@faa.govLaroche, Pierre Transport Canada 613-991-9927 pierre.laroche@tc.gc.ca

Larue, Sylvain NAVCANADA larues@navcanada.ca

x Lawson, Tony FAA/AJV-5 405-954-2788 tony.r.lawson@faa.gov

Leary, William RWSL PO - FAA Contractor (Constellation Aviation Solutions)

860-324-2855 bleary@constellation.aero

Lee, Duane USAF 405-739-9606 duane.lee.1@us.af.mil

Lednay, Rony TerraPixel 202-642-6227 rony@terrapixel.com

Lehman, Daniel USN 843-218-5282 dan.lehman@navy.mil

x Leitner, Jay American Airlines jay.leitner@aa.comLepine, Paul FAA/AFS-260 202-267-3205 paul.lepine@faa.gov

Lewis, Barry FAA/AJV-5222 301-427-4793 barry.lewis@faa.gov

Lewis, Ray U.S. Navy 703-614-2641 ray.lewis@navy.mil

x Lintzginich, Joe FAA/AFS-410 (Contractor) 314-994-1766 joe@atsi.aero

Loeffel, Hanspeter Lufthansa Systems hanspeter.loeffel@lhsystems.com

x Loney, Tom Canadian Air Force 204-833-2500 x5512 tom.loney@forces.gc.cax Long, Tim NGA 571-558-5953 timothy.r.long@nga.mil

Lounsbury, Lincoln Triumph Enterprises 703-517-2235 lincoln.ctr.lounsbury@faa.gov

Mackie, Thomas Woolpert Inc. 937-531-1877 thomas.mackie@woolpert.com

x Majette, Langston FAA/AJV-5221 202-267-3426 langston.r.majette@faa.gov

x Martin, Veronique FAA/AJV-5 304-427-4781 veronique.martin@faa.gov

Miller, Allison FAA/AJV-5612 301-427-4788 allison.m.miller@faa.gov

Manifold, Mary FAA/AJM-2494 DEN OSF 269-459-3340 mary.manifold@faa.govMarkunas, Rebecca USDOT Volpe Center 617-494-2632 rebecca.markunas@dot.gov

x Marshall, Sheri Advanced Aircrew Academy 843-557-1266 sheri@aircrewacademy.com

Martino, Chris HAI 703-302-1606 chris.martino@rotor.com

x Massimini, Vince MITRE 703-983-5893 svm@mitre.org

Maxwell, Roy Delta Air Lines 404-715-7231 roy.maxwell@delta.comx Mayhew, Richard FAA/AJV-5331 202-267-6441 richard.p.mayhew@faa.gov

x McCartney, Michael USAF/AFFSA 405-734-3777 michael.mccartney@us.af.milMcClain, Stephen FAA/ENE-N90 516-683-2961 stephen.mcclain@faa.govMcCurdy, Eric NGA 314-676-0944 eric.d.mccurdy@nga.mil

x McDanal,Steve FAA/AJV-5 301-427-4976 steve.mcdanal@faa.gov

McGough, Donald FAA/AJW-331 405-954-3050 Donald.McGough@faa.govx McGray, Bruce FAA/AFS-410 202-267-9009 bruce.mcgray@faa.gov

McKee, Kyle FAA/AJV-14 202-385-4671 kyle.mckee@faa.govMcLellan, Chris FAA/AFS-410 202-467-4363 christopher.mclellan@faa.gov

x McMullin, Gary Southwest Airlines 469-603-0766 gary.mcmullin@wnco.comx McSpadden, Lynette FAA/AJR-B1 540-422-4761 lynette.m.jamison@faa.gov

McWhorter, Kate FAA/FAA-AJV-52 301-427-5121 kate.mcwhorter@faa.gov

Menchion, Christopher Delta Air Lines 470-553-5214 christopher.menchion@delta.com

Mendez, Rowena FAA/AJM-324 202-267-4540 rowena.mendez@faa.govMeyers, Michael A Office of Airports/FAA/AAS-100 202-267-8785 michael.a.meyers@faa.govMilburn, Fred FAA/AJV-56 301-427-5060 fred.milburn@faa.govMiller-Adams, Deborah FAA/AJW-292 202-267-6223 deborah.miller-adams@faa.gov

Mills, Dennis FAA/ACE-220 407-812-3012 dennis.mills@faa.govMoates, Stephen FAA/AFS-240 202-267-4147 Stephen.Moates@faa.govMochty, Tom Woolpert Inc. 937-531-1492 tom.mochty@woolpert.comMolinelli, Shawn FAA/AJV-5611 301-427-4819 shawn.m.molinelli@faa.gov

x Moore, John Jeppesen 703-505-0672 john.moore@jeppesen.com

x Murphy, Brian M FAA/AJV-5 301-427-5171 brian.m.murphy@faa.gov

x Murphy, Katie FAA/AJV-5222 301-427-4913 katie.murphy@faa.gov

Myers, Jon FAA/AJV-5 301-427-5132 jonathan.p.myers@faa.gov

Nahlik, Justin NGA 571-557-8803 justin.m.nahlik@nga.milx Neidhardt, Chris Southwest Airlines 916-743-7378 christopher.neidhardt@wnco.com

Niendorf, Matt USAF Flight Stds 405-734-6950 matthew.niendorf@us.af.milNewdeck, William FAA/AJV-5612 301-427-4808 william.newdeck@faa.gov

Newsted, Aric Air Wisconsin 616-443-8443 anewsted@gmail.com

Newton, David Southwest Airlines 214-792-3416 C.David.Newton@wnco.comNichols, Janet FAA/ AFS-410 202-385-4530 janet.e.nichols@faa.gov

Niles, Rick MITRE 703-983-7348 fniles@mitre.orgx Noble, Zac HAI 703-302-1608 zac.noble@rotor.com

Norek, Gary FAA/AJV-11 202-267-9239 gary.a.norek@faa.govNovia, Robert FAA/AJV-14 202-267-4134 robert.novia@faa.gov

O'Connor, Wendy FAA/AJV-72 202-267-7589 wendy.l.o'connor@faa.gov

O'Hara, Susan FAA/AJV-55 405-954-7944 susan.o'hara@faa.gov

x O'Sullivan, Gerry ALPA Safety 570-878-3821 gerry.osullivan@alpa.org

x Olson, Jill FAA/AJV-553 405-954-9342 jill.m.olson@faa.gov

Ottinger, Randy US Parachute Assoc. 540-604-9740 randyo@uspa.orgOudemans, Michael FAA/AJR-5332 202-267-6456 michael.g.oudemans@faa.gov

Pace, John Harris 202-729-3711 john.pace2@harris.com

Parish, Edie FAA/AJV-1 202-267-8783 edie.parish@faa.govParson, Susan FAA/AFS-002 202-267-9064 susan.parson@faa.govPatterson, Mark FAA/AFS-470 202-267-8848 mark.patterson@faa.gov

Pavulaan, Harry FAA/AJM-5321 301-427-5118 harry.pavulaan@faa.govPennington, Darrell ALPA 703-689-4333 darrell.pennington@alpa.org

x Phifer, Doug FAA/AFS-470 202-267-5195 charles.ctr.phifer@faa.gov

Phillips, Chuck FAA/ZTC 770-210-7207 chuck.phillips@faa.gov

Phillips, Ed FAA/AJW-B620 540-422-4435 edward.s.phillips@faa.gov

Pioli, Pat FAA/AJV-5333 301-427-5153 patrick.pioli@faa.govPittman, Justin Federal Airways & Airspace 321-777-1266 jj.pittman@gmail.comPittman, Clyde Federal Airways & Airspace 301-777-1266 airspace@airspaceusa.comPonchetti, Emmy Jeppesen 303-328-4880 emmy.ponchetti@jeppesen.comPoplaski, Dan Jeppesen 303-328-4633 dan.poplaski@jeppesen.comPorcello, Michael FAA/ENE-N90 516-683-2900 michael.porcello@faa.gov

x Powell, Gary L FAA/AJV-5 405-954-0161 gary.l.powell@faa.govPrasse, Phil FAA/AVS-420 405-954-6597 Phil.Prasse@faa.gov

Prestrude, Mark NATCA 202-803-3254 mprestrude@natcadc.org

Price, Monica FAA/AAQ-722 405-954-4137 monica.price@faa.gov

x Prichard, Lev APA (American AL) 214-739-2912 levprichard@bigsky.aero

Priem, Lauren FAA/AJV-5132 301-427-4843 lauren.e.priem@faa.gov

x Quastler, Ethan Southwest Airlines 614-530-1757 ethan.quastler@wnco.com

Quinn, Brian CGH Technologies 202-580-2412 bquinn@cghtech.com

Rabek, Bill FAA/ZTL 770-210-7657 william.t.rabek@faa.gov

Rahn, Nate FAA/AJV-552 301-427-4908 nathan.j.rahn@faa.govRamirez, Dawn FAA/AJV-14 202-657-5174 dawn.m.ramirez@faa.gov

Rash, Suzette FAA/AFS-900 703-776-1677 suzette.rash@faa.govReese, Philip FAA/AJV-5 301-427-4925 philip.reese@faa.gov

x Renk, Ron United Airlines 281-553-6573 ron.renk@united.com

Rhea, Terry FAA/AJV-5642 301-427-4773 terry.l.rhea@faa.gov

Riccio, Catherine FAA/AOV-110 202-267-1194 catherine.a.riccio@faa.gov

Richardson, Walter FAA/AJV-5613 301-427-5139 Walter.Richardson@faa.gov

Rieketson, Mark Woolpert Inc. 904-315-5919 mark.ricketson@woolpert.com

Roberts, Wally Aviation Consultant 949-498-3456 wally@wallyroberts.comRobertson, Glen Air Canada 514-422-6917 glen.robertson@aircanada.caRooks, Dan FAA AeroNav Products 301-427-4968 dan.rooks@faa.gov

Root, Rob Boeing Flt Ops Engineering 206-662-4405 robert.e.root@boeing.com

Rose, Jim FAA/AFS-460 405-954-6424 Jim.Rose@faa.gov

Rudinger, Melissa AOPARush, Brad FAA/AJV-54 405-954-0188 brad.w.rush@faa.gov

x Rushton, Alex FAA/AJV-533 (Contractor - Leidos) 301-427-5186 alex.ctr.rushton@faa.govRuss, Philip FAA/AJI-152 202-267-9292 phillip.russ@faa.gov

Ryan, James FAA/AFS-084 202-267-8082 jim.ryan@faa.govSaenger, Philip SAIC 202-267-8898 philip.ctr.saenger@faa.gov

Sabatini, Regina FAA/AJV-5331 847-915-7870 regina.h.sabatini@faa.govx Salcedo, Leonixa FAA/AJM-324 202-267-9901 Leonixa.Salcedo@faa.gov

Savage, Derrick NGA/SFA 571-577-5404 derrick.r.savage@nga.mil

Sawyer, Benjamin FAA/AJV-E24 404-305-5952 benjamin.sawyer@faa.gov

Schierkolk, Chris MDA Information Systems, LLC Chris.Schierkolk@MDAUS.com

x Schmitz, John Delta Air Lines 404-715-7124 john.schmitz@delta.com

x Schwinn, Bill US Navy NAVFIG 843-218-2381 william.schwinn@navy.mil

Scott, Ed US Parachute Assn 540-604-9740 x325 escott@uspa.orgScott, (Lt. Col - USAF) Jenipher HQ AFFSA 405-534-5170 jenipher.scott@us.af.mil

Scott, Mitch ATA/Continental 713-324-1786 mitch.scott@united.com

x Seador, Amy FAA/AJFR-B 202-267-1436 amy.seador@faa.gov

Sempeles, George FAA/AOV-110 202-267-9290 george.p.sempeles@faa.govSerur, Steve FAA/AJI-151 202-267-7103 steven.serur@faa.gov

x Severson, Marshall Private Pilot 907-230-7937 severso@cs.com

Seybold, Alec NetJets 303-800-2768 aseybold@flightopseng.comShaw, Michelle FAA/AJV-5111 405-954-6175 michelle.shaw@faa.govShelton, Gale Leidos 405-954-2344 gale.ctr.shelton@faa.govShorter, John NGA/PVA 314-263-4806 john.e.shorter@nga.milSingletary, Ron FAA/AJT-22 202-267-0887 ron.singletary@faa.govSims, Mark United AL Flt Stndrds 303-780-3657 william.sims@united.comSmith, Abigail FAA/AJV-5 301-427-5000 abigail.smith@faa.govSmith, Lee MITRE/CAASD 703-983-0287 lbsmith@mitre.org

Smith, Tim FAA/AJV-E38 404-389-8284 timothy.d.smith@faa.gov

Smith, Tyler MITRE 703-983-3023 tsmith@mitre.org

Sokolowski, Joe FAA/WCM31-ZMP 651-463-5623 Joe.Sokolowski@faa.gov

Solomon, Joe FAA/AJV-5612 301-427-4996 Joseph.Solomon@faa.gov

Sormus, Marit Navtech 44-7837589721 marit.sormus@navtech.aero

Sosnowich, Terry FAA/AJV-5613 301-427-4812 terence.sosnowich@faa.gov

Speir, Ken Delta Air Lines ken.speir@delta.com

Spencer, James NGA 314-676-1401 james.e.spencer@nga.mil

x Stamos, David NGA 314-676-0710 david.g.stamos@nga.mil

Staff ASAP Inc team@asapinc.netSteinbicker, Mark FAA/AFS-470 202-385-4613 mark.steinbicker@faa.govSteinmetz, George FAA/AVP-230 202-267-9127 george.f.steinmetz@faa.gov

Steuver, Douglas FAA/AJV-5332 405-954-5482 douglas.p.steuver@faa.gov

Stocks, Bill FAA/AJR-B11 540-422-4534 billy.ctr.stocks@faa.gov

Strout, Larry H. FAA/AJV-55 405-954-5070 larry.h.strout@faa.gov

x Stromberg, Michael UPS-IPA 920-203-1493 Michael@stromberg.wsStrong, Nathan FAA/AJV-56 301-427-6179 Nathan.Strong@faa.govStrutin, Benjamin ALPA - Compass 973-476-9896 ben.strutin@alpa.org

Summers, Harold HAI 703-302-1606 harold.summers@rotor.com

x Super, Cedric FAA/AJI-15 202-267-9367 cedric.super@faa.gov

Swansen, Diane Jeppesen 303-328-4859 diana.swansen@jeppesen.com

Swierz, Greg FAA/AFS-410 (Contractor) 202-385-4161 gregory.ctr.swierz@faa.gov

Swigart, John FAA/AFS-408 703-230-7664 john.swigart@faa.govTaber, Bennet Dreamline Aviation LLC 925-980-3965 bennett.e.taber@gmail.com

Tallman, Nick FAA/AJV-142 202-267-8830 Nicholas.j.tallman@faa.govTeets, Cecil ASAP Inc 724-742-4777 cwteets@asapinc.net

Terrell, Wade E.K. FAA/AFS-460 405-954-9359 wade.ek.terrell@faa.gov

x Thompson, Ted Jeppesen 303-328-4456 ted.thompson@jeppesen.com

Torres, Jerry FAA/AJR-B11 202-267-1434 jerry.torres@faa.gov

x Townsend, Brian American Airlines 702-204-0007 brian.townsend@aa.com

Turke, Tony FAA/AJV-C24 817-321-7617 anthony.j.turke@faa.govUtley, Robert NATCA 540-660-4291 rutley@natcadc.org

x Velasco, Digeo FAA/AJV-5211 301-427-4877 diego.velasco@faa.gov

x Van Camp, Steve FAA/AFS-420 (Pragmatics) 405-954-5327 steve.ctr.vancamp@faa.gov

Vargas, Steve FAA/AJV-5443 405-954-0695 steven.a.vargas@faa.govVogelgesang, Bill FAA/ATO-CNF-CLE 216-898-2020 Bill.Vogelgesang@faa.gov

x vonValtier, Karl Net Jets 614-302-7608 KvonValtier@netjets.com

Wacker, Daniel FAA/AVS 405-954-1264 Daniel.Wacker@faa.govx Wade, Charles W Delta Air Lines 404-715-7888 Charles.W.Wade@delta.com

Wagner, Rich Jeppesen 303-328-4447 rich.wagner@jeppesen.comWallin, Michael FAA/AJV-5331 202-267-6494 michael.wallin@faa.govWalsh, David FAA/AJV-82 202-267-3128 David.Walsh@faa.govWard, Edward T. Southwest Airlines 469-603-0960 edward.ward@wnco.com

Ward, Ken FAA (Contractor) 703-927-6243 kc3ye@aol.com

Wartofsky, David Potomac Airfield 301-248-5720 bigcheese@potomac-airfield.com

Waterman, Geoff NGA/PV 314-676-0588 geoffrey.d.waterman@nga.mil

x Watson, Spencer USAF/Joint Base Andrews 301-981-3407 spencer.watson.2@us.af.mil

x Watson, Valerie FAA/AJV-533 301-427-5155 valerie.s.watson@faa.govx Webb, Mike FAA/AFS-420 202-267-8942 mike.webb@faa.gov

Wentworth, Brandon Southwest Airlines 469-603-0946 brandon.wentworth@wnco.com

Wiegand, Skip FAA/AEA-220 202-267-7065 skip.wiegand@faa.govWilkes, Ken FAA/AJV-5612 301-427-4760 ken.wilkes@faa.govWilliams, Bruce Bruce Air 206-283-2937 bruce@bruceair.comWilliams, Heidi NBAA 202-783-9255 hwilliams@nbaa.org

Witucki, John FAA/AJV-14 871-321-7734 john.witucki@faa.govx Wood, Leah AeroNavData, Inc. 703-859-3073 lwood@aeronavdata.com

x Woodbury, Steve Flight Safety Intl 316-612-5300 steve.woodbury@flightsafety.comx Yamamoto, Greg FAA/AJV-56 301-427-4750 gregory.yamamoto@faa.gov

Yorke, Mike FAA/AAL-03 907-271-5908 mike.yorke@faa.gov

Zillig, Martin Lufthansa (LIDO)+D145 41-44-828-6561 martin.zillig@lhsystems.comx Zimmerman, Chris UPS 502-807-3854 czimmerman@ups.com

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