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NEALE DONALD WALSCH MAY 12, 2011

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Jennifer McLean www.healingwiththemasters.com Neale Donald Walsch

Jennifer: Welcome, everyone, to Healing with the Masters Volume VII, and I am so excited to once again welcome

our regular, Neale Donald Walsch. You’ll recognize Neale from his most famous books, which are Conversations with God. Conversations with God are found worldwide, international, and he’s also written many more books, I think 16 in total, including tonight’s The Mother of Invention. Neale is one of those spiritual messengers that has gotten to the heart of so many of us that has guided so many of us on our journey. Many of us got started on our spiritual adventures with Neale’s wonderful approach of sharing the insights that he has personally received through his conversations with God, that have enlightened so many of us into knowing a different way of being in the world, on the planet, with each other. We are so excited to once again hear from Neale and hear his vision of this new book, the vision of what’s to come for each of us and for humanity as a whole, through this beautiful, beautiful book. So welcome, Neale, to Healing with the Masters. It is wonderful, wonderful to once again welcome you to the show.

Neale: Well, thank you. It’s lovely to be here as always. Thank you for the invitation. Jennifer: My pleasure. So your new book, The Mother of Invention, first of all, as always, it’s just so beautifully

written. I just want to say that up front. It’s so beautifully written. It just is juicy in my head when I’m reading it. It’s like prose. I don’t mean to say that to suck up. It really was moving to me. Just the words themselves are so poetic. It’s a really interesting and unique book. First of all, the way it was written, which is it starts in the future and then goes to the back and then builds back up to the future again, it’s beautiful. I’m curious as to why you wrote it that way.

Neale: Well, what the listeners here may not know is the book purports to be the life story of a woman named

Barbara Marx Hubbard, who’s known to many of us. I say purports to be, not because it’s not her life story, but what I mean, it purports to be a biography, but really it’s a uniography. It is the story of all of us, and I realized, after sitting down with Barbara for many days and many hours on those many days, looking at her life detail by detail, almost year by year — I realized that gosh, she’s really been living the life of all of us, but there’s nothing, when all is said and done, that’s that much different between all of our lives, except maybe the fine print. The larger details, the larger events are basically the same, and there’s much to be learned and much to be understood about that, about that whole journey. If we had the opportunity to look at one person’s journey from birth until this present day, we can learn an enormous amount about our own journey, not only where we have been but where we are going. When I sat down to write the book itself, as I finished my research, which took many months, and then I sat down to actually put hands to keyboard and begin writing the book, I realized, gosh, I don’t want to just tell a biography the way everyone else writes a biography. She was born. She lives, and now here she is. This is today and bring you up to date, from then until now. It just felt so pedantic, so uninteresting, so uninspiring and so kind of like who cares and how does it relate to us anyway. So I tried to think of how could I share this story of this remarkable woman, because it is a remarkable story. As you read her adventures you see it, just how remarkable it is, not the least of which is her having been the first woman to be nominated for vice‐president of the United States by a major political party in this country. Even before Geraldine Ferraro, Barbara Marx Hubbard was nominated by the Democratic Party. This is one of her many adventures, so how to tell such an extraordinary story, and then the thought struck me. She’s a woman of such vision, of such insight, of such clarity and of such



excitement about tomorrow that I need to start in tomorrow. I need to start the book two years hence, way, way at the end of 2012. So I started the book on her birthday, which happens to be December 22, 2012, which just happens to be the day after the end of history, so to speak, the day after the great Mayan prediction, prognostication.

It was just so unique. I couldn’t resist the temptation to start the book on her birthday two years from

now, and then I asked myself, “If I was writing a biography of somebody, if I was reading one, I’d want to know, let’s say, the 25 most interesting events of that person’s life, the 25 most monumental events, most meaningful events of their life.” And so I asked Barbara, if she had to make a list, what they would be, and we listed them out together as we sat and talked over many hours. Then I wrote the book backward. That is, I started in the future, and I went back to her birth so that the last chapter in her book is the year that she was born. We went from the future to the past in a backward progression, unraveling her story, much like a mystery, just like a mystery novel would be told, where you’re in the present moment, and then you’ve got to unravel everything you see in the present to see what it means and how it applies to the overall mystery so you can resolve it. So we told the story in that way, and then I added one more element. Every so often I would add, which is not common — in fact it’s quite uncommon in most biographies — but every three of four chapters, I would add just kind of an observation, several pages of — how would I put it — third party commentaries of a person who could stand on the sidelines and just be a fly on the wall, if you please, and make a comment on what was being witnessed and observed in Barbara’s life and what it means to us, how the learnings and the teachings of Barbara’s life could apply to our own lives. That’s not often found in biographies, but again, I couldn’t resist it. I asked Barbara, “Would you mind if I inserted myself into your book, so to speak, into the book of your life?” She said, “No, by all means. It would be interesting to see what someone else’s point of view would be on the events of my life.” So we combined all of those elements, and then we came up with this book.

Barbara, of course, has been an extraordinarily inventive person in her life. She has created so many

outrageous activities and so many projects that I couldn’t think of what to call the book. The book was all done. I had finished writing it. It was due to the publisher, and they were saying to me, “Neale, we love your book, but we need a title. We need a title.” I thought, “I don’t have a title. I just don’t have a title.” I was saying to my wife in the kitchen, “I just don’t have a title.” My wife said, “Well, don’t worry about it. You’ll think of something.” I said, “You know what? You’re right. Necessity is the mother of — oh, my gosh. That’s the title of the book.” So I called the book The Mother of Invention, the story of Barbara Marx Hubbard and you. That’s how writers get their ideas.

Jennifer: That’s how it works. It’s divine inspiration, isn’t it? Neale: Yes. Jennifer: So there’s so many interesting kind of synergies and synchronicities with Barbara and her life and the

book, and first of all, December 22, the day after this event on December 21, the day after something — the evolution of humanity, in essence, is what you’re sharing, is her birthday. It feels like it’s almost the birth of humanity in a way, and you kind of describe it that way in the book.

Neale: You bet. That’s what she calls it. She thinks that what we are heading for is the birth of humanity as we

finally end our long, long gestation, although in the history of the universe, it’s not very long at all. Given the billion‐year history of the universe, the time that humans have been on this earth is very, very, very, very brief on that cosmic calendar, in that cosmic clock. So Barbara really describes the whole process that humanity is going through, that our species is going through as a process of birthing, that we are now being birthed into the cosmic community of highly evolved beings. We’ve just now arrived, according to Barbara’s estimation, at the beginning of that process of that life as a highly evolved species. Barbara feels that December 22, which again, just happens to be her birthday, is really day one. She calls it day one of the new dispensation, the day after the Mayan calendar ends, day one


of the new dispensation when humanity will in fact enter the ranks of the highly evolved beings of the universe and when we’ll start acting that way. By the way, not immediately, not 12:00 that afternoon, but we will begin to put in place the kinds of shifts and the kinds of changes in the way we see ourselves, each other and life itself. We’ll begin to — how do I put it — demonstrate what it’s like to be a new human, and that process will begin in earnest on day one and will continue for many years after until somewhere around 10 or 15, 20 years later, Barbara feels that the birthing process will be complete. We will then emerge as the highly evolved beings that we were always meant to be.

Jennifer: You reference it almost as gods, that we become the gods that we were always meant to be, the gods

that we truly are. Neale: Exactly, that we have of course been told this from the beginning of time from many masters and many

spiritual healers and many spiritual teachers. “Have I not said ye are gods,” and so we are. The opportunity now for humanity is to step into our true identity, to step into the space where we embrace who we really are as individuations of the divine or what I like to call singularizations of the singularity, that there is this thing that some science fiction writers call the singularity, which is an interesting turn of phrase meaning the only thing that there is. There is only one thing, and we are all part of the one thing there is. It’s rather arrogant, when you think about it, to imagine that we’re not part of the one thing there is. Somebody said to me once, “I don’t really think that — I wouldn’t call myself God or part of God. I mean, God’s over there. I’m one of God’s creatures, but I’m not part of God in the way you’re using the phrase, Neale.” I said, “You mean you aren’t? You mean, in other words, there are two things in the universe, God, which is everything, the all in all, the alpha and the omega, the beginning and the end, the up and the down, the left and the right of it — God is the alpha and the omega, but you are not that part of God? You’re not the singularization of that? That would make you very expensive real estate.”

Jennifer: Indeed, expensive real estate. It reminds me of something else along those lines that you say in the

book, which is that is very limited thinking. Barbara talks about the fact that, in this birthing process — in the real birthing process, if we are in gestation too long, we actually can die, and so we are being moved, pushed, in essence, out of the womb. I’ll quote this. “We are being moved out of the womb of limited, self‐centered consciousness.” To me, what you just said kind of illustrates that. So how do we move? I mean, we’re kind of being pushed out, but is there a way that we can help to move ourselves out of this limited, self‐centered consciousness?

Neale: Yes. Actually there are many ways. I think of two off the top of my head. First, we can undertake

whatever process feels natural and good to us, by which we get in touch with, what I’m going to call here, our soul, so we can in an ongoing way, in a determined way, in a committed way, in a highly intentioned way — by that I mean not haphazardly or now and then but actually as a clear intention of our life — we can get in touch with what I call the soul of us and have, gee, could I say, conversations with God or conversations with our soul as a part of God, in every day of our life. The reason I’m suggestion that is because that movement into the soul’s experience and the soul’s awareness, that movement to the place, what I call soul consciousness, is the shift internally that combines then the wisdom of the soul with the data of the mind and the wonderful functioning of our physical bodies to cause our three‐part being to at last step into the fullness of its true self and the highest expression of who in fact we really are. We can talk about how to get in touch with your soul, a lot of ways to do that: meditation, prayer and many other ways for that matter to do that. The second thing that we might do to, I want to say, push the process along a little bit and get this birthing underway and resolve it, because Barbara’s perfectly correct. She says, “This is a birthing process, but like all birthing processes, it can be dangerous.” I mean, things can go wrong, and so we could in fact go one direction or another. We could, if you please, to use the analogy, die at birth as a species. That is our birth could be the end of us, or we can advance to become the most magnificent, wondrous species of sentient beings that we were always intentioned to be.


One of the things that I’m encouraging people to do is to join the conversations movement, which is a global undertaking to involve 250 million people in a conversation, a global conversation, if you will, centering around seven simple questions, questions that, if they are asked and answered at dinner tables, in homes, in churches, in synagogues and mosques and temples, at places of work, places of business, on playgrounds, everywhere really, wherever people converse and have exchange between each other — if these conversations could now take place, conversations that could change the world, then we would, by virtue of that simple process of conversing with each other about it and asking questions, by the way, that nobody asks hardly and hardly anyone ever answers because they’re hardly ever asked — if we were to place those questions on the table in front of humanity in the next ten years in an organized, systematic way, I believe we would move forward the birthing process so rapidly that we would in fact participate in the overhaul of humanity and the evolution of our species in ways we never dreamt possible. So I suggest to people that they join a global movement to have conversations on the Internet, at their dinner table and everywhere else in between, wherever people talk to each other, and allow themselves to place before others seven simple questions, the asking and answering of which could change everything.

Jennifer: Is there a place that you have set up on the Internet now? Is this the When Everything Changes

community? Neale: No. Actually I have a global website. It’s a blog site. It’s called the Global Conversation. Jennifer: There you go, the Global Conversation: theglobalconversation.com. Neale: Yes. So anyone who wants to be involved in that conversation, that conversation’s ongoing right now

at: theglobalconversation.com. Jennifer: Would you be open to sharing those seven questions? Neale: Funny you should ask. Yes, I am happy to share them. The questions really were given to me. This is

hard to say. Sometimes I have a difficult time speaking in these terms, because people sometimes won’t — how to put this — have a little pushback to the way I articulate it, but I’m going to say it anyway. These questions were given to me by God. That is God invited me to invite the world to ask itself these questions. Question number one: how is it possible for 6.9 billion people to all claim to want the same thing and be able to get it? How is it possible for 6.9 billion people to all claim they want health, happiness, peace, security, love, opportunity and to claim that they are a highly‐evolved species, an evolved species of human beings, and yet be unable to produce what nearly 7 billion people want, and by the way, to be unable to produce it after — ready for this — thousands of years of trying? Question number two: is it possible that there’s something that we don’t fully understand here about God and about life, the understanding of which would change everything? Question number three: is it possible that you don’t understand something about your own life and about who you really are, the understanding of which would change your life for the better forever? I call these the three persistent questions. By the way, again I say, they are questions that nobody wants to ask. I don’t hear any prime minister, any president, any chief lama, any pope, any priests, any rabbi, anybody of any note asking these questions. How is it possible for all the world’s people to want the same thing and be unable to get it? Is it possible there’s something we don’t understand here, the understanding of which would change everything? Of course if we ask the question, the answer comes: well, obviously yes. If the answer is obviously yes, then the mind wants to know then what might that something be that we don’t understand. If we start probing that question, the answers begin to turn over the apple cart of all of our belief systems, which is why nobody wants to ask the question.


Jennifer: And within those questions are guidance. We can discover our own guidance. Neale: Absolutely. Jennifer: We can discover the guidance of another as we ask another these questions. Neale: Then there are what God called the four fundamental questions of life. God said to me, “If you would

ask yourself these questions every day, certainly every week, on a regular basis, checking in with these four questions, because your answers will change from time to time, but the questions will not —” The questions are these, the four fundamental questions of life: Who am I? Where am I? That is, what is this place that I’m in? I don’t mean what room am I in or what house am I in or what city am I in, but what is this place that I’m in, this place — this physicality. What is this realm that I’m in. Question number three: why am I where I am? Truly, why am I in the physical realm? Question number four: what do I intend to do about that? Now, I ask myself these questions every morning when I look at myself in the mirror. When I’m shaving or brushing my teeth, doing my morning things, I look at myself in the mirror, and I say, “Who am I? Where am I? Why am I here, and what do I intend to do about that? Those four questions set the tone and create the nuance for the rest of my day. God said to me, if humanity itself would ask those four questions, followed by a deep exploration of the three persistent questions I asked a moment ago, everything would change on the planet over night.

Jennifer: It’s interesting. I think the first question there is something that many people are asking right now in

kind of an intuitive way. Who am I? Who am I? It’s interesting to actually incorporate that plus these other questions as a daily practice. So Neale, what did you come up with this morning?

Neale: Well, first I want to say that my answers are not important to anybody else. It’s very, very important for

everyone to know that there are no right answers, for that matter, no wrong answers to these questions. It isn’t like Neale or somebody else out there has the answers, capital T capital A, The Answers.

Jennifer: Thank you for qualifying that. Neale: I always tell people, “Please be real clear that there’s no right or wrong answers to these questions,” but

you must ask the questions if you are to know what the world, this whole adventure is about. If you’re to have a context in which to consider the days and times of your life, I suggest that you must ask the questions. You cannot avoid the questions. Now, the answers that I gave myself this morning: who am I? I am in fact a singularization of the singularity. I am God made human, as are we all. Everything, every person, everything, for that matter, is that which I call God or a manifestation of the divine. I am that. I am that. The next question that I answered: where am I? I’m in the realm of physicality, as opposed to the realm of the spiritual. I’m in the realm of the physical or, if you please, in the realm of the relative as opposed to the realm of the absolute. The realm of the spiritual is the realm of the absolute, where things are absolutely what they are. All there is, is love. It’s always here, and it’s always now. Things are absolutely where they are right here, right now always, love, but in this realm of the relative, it is not here and now, for we have invented this relative experience called time and space. Question number three: why? Why am I where I am? I am where I am, because I have placed myself here quite voluntarily, quite happily, quite joyously, quite deliciously, that I might know the one thing that I cannot know when I’m in the realm of the absolute, that I can know who I really am by experiencing who I am not. That is by knowing that which I am not, I can know that which I am, for if I am only what I am and only know what I am, I cannot know what I am. To give you a simple example of that, to make it clear for the human mind to grasp that: if I say I am the light — I’m just going to use a simple example. I am the light. Fair enough, you are the light. But if you’re surrounded by the light, if you are as a candle in the sun, if there is naught else but the light, then how will you know or experience who you really are? Yet would the sun be the sun without you? No, no. It would be the sun without


one of its candles, and that would not be the sun at all, yet how to know yourself as the light amidst the light, that’s the question. Well, then, then answer is to remove yourself, but you can’t remove yourself from the light, because you and the light are one. But you can pretend to. You can imagine that you do. You can move into literally an imaginary world, an imaginary realm. Let’s call it the realm of the physical, where you can imagine that things exist in a way that they do not really exist, but you can appear them to exist that way in what you call relativity, where suddenly big and small, up and down, left and right, male and female, large and little, fast and slow and what you call good and what you call evil will suddenly exist so that you might know who you really are in relative terms as whatever you really are. Of course who you really are is that which is divine. I want to say God itself, but for you to know yourself as the totality of God, you need to experience yourself as God in its many, magnificent, separate parts, God the compassionate, God the caring, God the patience, God the loving, etcetera, etcetera, etcetera through all eternity. You cannot know that in the realm of the absolute, and so you’ve come to the realm of the physical, to the realm of the relative that you might know who you are relatively speaking. Therefore judge not and neither condemn that which you find all around you, yet be a light unto the darkness that you might know who you really are and that all those whose lives you touch might know who they really are as well. Yea, let your light so shine among men that all will know themselves through you. Is this not what every master has ever done? Question number four: what do I intend to do about that? I answered this morning, “Watch me this day, and you will see.”

Jennifer: Wow. I guess I kind of just wanted that to sit. That was beautiful, Neale. So that’s a good day. Neale: It is, and I want to be real honest with people, because they need to know this. At the end of my day —

I don’t reach nearly the heights of my poetic description of what the day was going to be right. I find myself having not quite made it, where I thought I might, but at least I set the path. At least I’ve drawn out the journey. I know where I’m going at last with my life. I understand at least what I’m attempting to do, what I’m trying to do. I have some knowledge of the journey of the soul, and I will give myself this much: I demonstrate more now than I ever did before, because I understand what I’m doing here. It’s been my experience that 98 percent of the world’s people, myself included, have spent 98 percent of their time on the 98 percent of things that don’t matter at all. That’s why I’m writing a book called The Only Thing That Matters. What I’ve discovered in the writing of that book is that when we focus our lives on the only thing that matters, all the things that we thought mattered that do not resolve themselves without effort, that life resolves itself in the process of life itself. Once we pay utmost attention to who we really are, where we really are and why we are where we are, this is a spiritual journey.

Jennifer: How do we determine what really matters when our vision sometimes is so clouded, when we think

what matters is our health in the moment or the health of our loved ones or money or the foreclosure? How do we move from those kind of limiting three‐dimensional perspectives into something greater when we’re in the midst of it?

Neale: By reconnecting with our awareness of who we really are, and we do that by experiencing and moving

into the full expression of our soul. That’s where I started this conversation about 20 minutes ago. We step out of that three‐dimensional world, that reality that you’re talking about by shifting from the mechanics of the mind to the system of the soul. You see, the mind will create its own reality around the events of this day, and the reality that you’re experiencing, that all of us are experiencing of this day have nothing to do with the events thereof. We just think they do, but of course they don’t. There really is no direct connection between the events of this day and the reality that you’re experiencing. Case in point: two people can experience a rain shower. Person A says, “Oh, this is wonderful. My crops are not going to die after all. It’s a wonderful harvest in the fall. Thank God for the rain,” while the next person, who happens to be the parade organizer for his community, says, “Three months of planning this parade and it’s raining outside, cats and dogs. It won’t stop.” The event is called rain, but here are two individual experiences of the exact same event. So we see that we create our reality based on our experience of the event, which is based on our truth about the event, which is based on the data that


we are holding with regard to the event. Now, the trick here, whether the event is called your health, losing your house to foreclosure or any of the other things you mentioned, the trick here is to not rely upon solely the data of the mind, which only can bring us prior data, past data with which to inform us about what’s true here and now. However, the soul carries data from all eternity, from all time. The soul not only understands you’re limited to human data but exactly who you are, why you have found yourself and placed yourself in this particular situation at this particular time and how you can move through this experience in such a way that you know and announce, you demonstrate and fulfill, you become the living expression of who you really are. That’s all that happened, by the way. I’ve just described to you metaphysically the journey of Christ, and that’s all that happened to him, even as He was being crucified, even as He hung on the cross, where He might have, one would imagine, felt at least a little bit sorry for Himself or at least wonder, “What is going on? I don’t understand. I’ve led a pretty good life here. How did it come to this?” Except of course Jesus didn’t have any such thought. He understands perfectly well the reasons behind what others would call His crucifixion. He was very clear that nothing was happening to Him and that everything was happening through Him, and when we come to the same understanding, the foreclosure, the moment of bad health, even, for that matter, our own death will not touch us, because we know who we really are.

I’ll tell you a story about that. You think, “Well, Neale’s talking kind of high falutin here. Those things

don’t really happen to real people.” Let me tell you about a real person. My mother died a number of years ago, and she was a Roman Catholic, God bless her. The priest came in to give her extreme unction, which is the last rites of the most holy Roman Catholic Church. This priest who happened to be coming in — he was called by one of the people at the hospital, because she said, “Could you call a priest?” He was a young man. He’d only been ordained maybe six or eight or nine months, not even a full year yet. He hadn’t even grown a beard yet. He was just a very young man, 22‐year‐old young man, comes in to see to my mother. He was so nervous. He had never done the last rites of the church before for someone who was about to die. It was his first time, he announced to us, sitting there in the waiting room. He said, “I hope I get this right. Please forgive me if I don’t.” I said, “Oh, yeah.” He went in. He saw my mother. He came back out about 45 minutes later, looked white as a ghost. I said, “Father, is she all right? Did she pass on?” “Oh, no, no,” he said. “No, she’s fine. Believe me. She’s fine.” I said, “Then why do you look that way?” He said, “Your mother was instructing me. She said, ‘Father, don’t be nervous. You can’t do this wrong. I know where I’m going. I know what’s going to happen next. I know I’m not going to die. Do you really think I’m going to die here? I want you to relax.’” He said, “To have my first person with whom I’m doing this ceremony have that kind of clarity and that kind of wisdom, that kind of understanding.” He said, “I just spent the last 45 minutes with a saint.” Well, of course all of us think that our mothers are saints. We talk about our sainted mother, but in fact in this case, I think it was true.

I tell the story because I want people to understand that ordinary, everyday people on the earth, not

just Jesus or the Buddha or Mohammad or Lao Tzu or someone of that nature, or people who have risen to such a place, but ordinary, everyday people walking down the street are perfectly capable of getting in touch with the truth of their immortal soul and living that truth through you, as you in this moment, here and now. All of us are capable of that. All of us in fact have done it from time to time on our life. It’s just a question of doing it always.

Jennifer: Always and all days and asking those questions every day. You talk in this book about ordinary, average

people can have an impact on our entire planet, and Barbara Marx Hubbard is one of those individuals. That’s in part why you chose her. So how do we have this impact? I mean, do we have to do something, or is it just this notion of being?

Neale: Well, it’s both, but one proceeds from the other. I don’t think it starts with doing. I think it starts with

being. We are, after all, human beings, not human doings. So if we come from a place of what I call beingness, if we decide who we are going to be and what it is like to be that and then make all of our choices and decisions from that place of being, we begin to demonstrate who we imagine ourselves to


be in action. That becomes the doingness of our life. It’s impossible to demonstrate that level of beingness if you’ve chosen a very high level of beingness. It’s impossible to demonstrate that level of beingness in physicality without, in fact, impacting the world. It’s impossible. I don’t want this to sound — how do I say this? This is not a boast, and I’m not bragging here. But just, again, to bring it down to real life, if someone had said to me, when I was 37 years old, “Neale, if you step into the living of who you really are, if you even begin it, not get the end of it, not reach mastery — God knows you’re not living at the level of mastery, but if you even take a step off in that direction and begin to live it as best as you can, you can impact the world. But if someone had said to me at 37 years old, “Neale, you’re going to write a book that’s going to sell seven and a half million copies and be translated into 37 languages, and people are going to hang on your every word,” I would have said, “You’re out of your mind.” That person would have said to me, “Yes, I am, and you will get there on the day that you are out of your mind as well.” The trick is to be out of your mind and into your soul.

Jennifer: Out of your mind and into your soul. You know what? That’s going to be our phrase that pays. Out of

your mind and into your soul. We have the phrase that pays every day. We give away $100 per show, and we like to use a phrase that kind of personifies the essence of the show. I love that. Out of your mind and into your soul is the phrase that pays today, folks, so there you have it. You talk about — it feels like you’re also talking about this. You made up a couple of words in the book that I love, that are now part of my vocabulary. Potentialed, and it feels like that’s kind of what you’re describing right now.

Neale: Yes, I think we are all potentialed. That is we are all given a level of potential. We are potentialed by

life, but I think that also, what happens after we embrace our potential and after we answer the call — and by the way, people even on this program right now, listening right now, some of them will feel a certain calling. They’ll listen to the words that you and I are exchanging. They’re going to say, “You know what? I was really meant to hear this right now. I really needed to hear this particular program right now, and I hear the call of my soul. I hear the call of my higher self. I hear the call of this grander journey and this greater vision. I’m hearing that right now.” You need not worry that, “Well, I do hear the call, but I’m just not qualified. I’m not qualified. I don’t have the background, the training, the understanding, the experience, the awareness, the consciousness. I don’t have any of all of that.” Here’s what God said to me, Neale. “Neale, I don’t qualify in the way you think I do.” Listen carefully. “Neale, I don’t call the qualified. I qualify the called.”

Jennifer: Oh, my God. I qualify the called. That is so perfect. There’s another quote that you say in this book

about, “Life is here to serve us. We are not here to serve life, yet life cannot serve us if we don’t know what we are or what we are here to do. We can’t know what we do unless we understand who we really are.” It kind of gets back to those questions, again, but I thought it was fascinating that life is here to serve us. We are not here to serve life. Can you kind of tell us a little bit more about that?

Neale: How can you serve life? What does life need from you? First of all, the words life and God are

interchangeable. God is life. Life is God, but even if you don’t believe that, what in the world does life need from you? Life has been going on for billions of years. Hello. Do we really think that life needs something from us? Life has been here for billions and billions of years, but life is here to serve us. It is the tool through which we are allowed to announce and declare, to express and fulfill, to become and to be who we really are, that life is the tool and the process by which we self‐realize and by which God can, once again, reknow itself and rebirth itself, to know itself anew and then to recreate itself anew, in the next grandest version of the greatest vision ever we imagined about who and what God really is and what we really are. These words that flow through me when I talk with you this way — I was given 3,000 pages of dialogue in the Conversations with God experience, and I would only invite people to have their own conversations with God, in the same way that I did or any way that is natural and normal to them, but to give themselves permission to move into the experience of the soul and, through the soul, connect with that which they call, in their own understanding, divine, because I believe that every person can find that connection, can sit quietly for a few moments every day and find that connection. I believe that when you find that connection, all the kinds of things that are flowing through me here


today in this conversation with you will flow through everyone else as well. This is normal. This is natural. This is not unusual. This is the way it was meant to be, the way it really is. These are the understandings that we all carry intuitively and cellularly, and that’s why, when I give lectures and I lecture all over the world, when I stand up in front of an audience in Prague or in Italy or wherever I am, whatever country I’m in, whatever culture I’m in, all the heads are nodding yes. Not because I’m so brilliant but because they already know what I’m going to say, and they agree with me.

Jennifer: Yeah, but you do okay too, Neale. You do have a way with words that really, to me, it speaks from your

heart to mine. Even though you’re being beautifully humble, I’m going to acknowledge you for your really remarkable gift of assisting us to see in ways that feels good and doesn’t hurt.

Neale: You’re very sweet to say that. I do want to tell you that God made it very clear to me in Conversations

with God, very clear to me, “Do not imagine for one second that you are unusual or different from anyone else.” God is speaking to all of us all the time. All we need to do is listen.

Jennifer: All we need to do is listen. Neale: That’s why it was written, “Let those who have ears to hear listen.” Jennifer: And it’s listening to the calling of the soul. I want to talk about calling. You mentioned it a little bit

earlier, and you talk about it in the book, that we are each being given an invitation, that we are being invited to play a role, that there’s a calling of evolution itself. It’s the invitation of divinity to rejoin. I’d like you to share a little bit more about it. I’m not sure if uniography, another word that you invented, is part of that.

Neale: Well, life calls to life about life and asks life to create more life through the process of life itself. Now, if I

could be allowed to play with words a bit here and exchange, as I suggested a minute ago, the word life for the word God, if I were allowed to define God in one word as life — I’ve been asked many times on television and radio and newspapers, “How would you define God?” I say, “Well, in a word, life — life. God is life in all of its forms, every place, everywhere all the time. God is that which lives. That which is God is life.” So if that’s true, then what I just said a minute ago would also be true, just changing the word God for the word life, that life is a process, that God is a process. We don’t often think of God in those terms, but in fact God is a process that informs God about God through the process of being God itself. It invites God to recreate itself anew in the next grandest version that God ever had about itself, a process of ever expanding, ever recreative divinity itself. That is the call that all of us hear. It is a calling; I want to tell you, that exists cellularly, instinctively. It is an impulse that lives within the heart of everything that lives at all, not just human beings but everything. It’s what turns a flower toward the sun. It’s what makes the starts twinkle in the sky at night. I hate to get poetic here, but I mean, it’s an energy that moves through life, that calls life to life through the process of life itself. In human terms, in human life, that manifests itself in many ways, love being one of them, unconditional love, the kind of love that causes you to throw yourself across the railroad tracks to save a little child from being killed, that kind of love, the kind of love that says yes to everything, to everyone all the time, that kind of love. Love is only one manifestation of that divine impulse of life calling to life for more life through the process of life. Creativity is another, all the ways we love to be creative and how alive we feel when we step into our creativity and the ingenuity of that, every golden moment of now. That’s another one. There are many, many, many ways that the process of life flowing through life allows life to express more life. It can be done in 100,000 different ways, just the movement of feeling through us and allowing ourselves to express and experience feelings fully, richly and completely.

I was listening to a song this morning on my little iPod. It’s a song that’s particularly meaningful to me.

It doesn’t matter which one it was, but I remember I watched myself sit there this morning. I just turned this thing on, and I started to tear up. The tears were flowing down my face. I got so into the lyrics and the melody of this song. My sweetie‐pie wife walked by, and she just saw me sitting there,


quietly weeping with joy at the beauty of this music. She looked at me, and she said, “Do you know what, darling? I’m witnessing now another reason why I love you, a man who can cry at music.” She said, “You just live life so fully.” Again, I don’t want to sound like I’m boasting. This is a tough thing for me to say, but I’m sharing these ideas so that people understand that this is not about walking about the world with a halo on your head. This is just about moving through life fully, embracing it completely; living it with robust energy, with vitality and saying yes to the grandest thought you ever had about who you are right here, right now.

Jennifer: Yes, the grandest thought you ever had about who you are. Say yes right here, right now. That is

beautiful. When we are saying yes, we’re actually even saying yes to problems, and you have this beautiful analogy of problems are really evolutionary drivers moving us toward invention and innovation. You even use the example of a huge tragedy, perceived tragedy of the deep sea oil well in the Gulf of Mexico as a problem that created invention and innovation.

Neale: Barbara Marx Hubbard must be credited with the articulation of that truth. She brought me to that

awareness. She sat in my kitchen, and I said, “The world is full of really difficult problems right now, challenges, incredible disasters, calamities even at every turn.” She said to me, “Neale, every problem is an evolutionary driver. It moves us forward to find new solutions and new expressions. Necessity is in fact the mother of invention.”

Jennifer: Ah‐ha. There’s the title. Neale: There you are. And calamity creates necessity at a very high level, so with the example of the oil spill in

the Gulf of Mexico, firms all over the world, and one particular over in Europe, began to develop a certain kind of process, a certain kind of substance that can be spread on the beaches of the world and can absorb the oil. Then they can go by and literally sweep it off, just remove it by removing a thin layer of sand. It all goes away. No one would ever have dreamt of such a substance had the oil spill not occurred. When I was a child, this wisdom — I didn’t need to wait 50 years to hear it from Barbara Marx Hubbard. My mother told me this when I was seven. She said, all together now, “Every cloud has —”

Jennifer: A silver lining. Neale: Hello. Jennifer: Yeah. So the opportunity for us here, in the process of knowing ourselves, is to kind of observe these

problems as something that are here, nudging us in our own reinvention and innovation of our soul. Neale: There’s no question in my mind. Now that I’m an older person, I particularly know and become

increasingly aware that everything I once called a problem was really a solution in disguise. I can think of many, many times, not once or twice but many times in my life, when I thought what was happening to me was the worst thing that could possibly happen in that moment, only to see in hindsight later that it was, in fact, the best thing that could ever have happened to me in that one moment, that it threw open a doorway to something that never could possibly have occurred in my life if that particular outcome was not in place beforehand. So now when I’m faced with what I assume to be problems, I say my favorite prayer. “Thank you, God, for helping me to understand that this problem is really a solution for me.

Jennifer: So the solution is always available within the problem too. Neale: Absolutely. The solution is the problem. The problem is simply a manifestation of a solution that will

manifest itself with clarity in your reality given time. Watch, just watch. For instance, the end of a relationship, I remember having a relationship in my life that ended. I thought it was the disaster of my life, the biggest problem I ever had. God bless her, with nothing negative meant about her. It was just


the two of us, the chemistry wasn’t right, but God bless it, because I saw later that the problem was actually the solution. I’m now with the love of my life.

Jennifer: And that was part of that solution. Neale: And the other person of whom I speak is still a very close, warm and loving friend of ours, of my wife

and mind. Who could ask for more? But if we keep on making what’s going on wrong, it will turn out wrong for us. If we keep on making what’s going on wrong, it will turn out wrong for us, because we’ll call it wrong, no matter how it turns out. It’s all in your mind. Your mind is creating your reality.

Jennifer: Yeah. We’ll call it wrong no matter how it turns out. That’s so — Neale: Right, exactly, because it has nothing to do with the event. It has nothing to do with the rain. The rain is

just the event. Jennifer: Beautiful. When you are talking about this book, there’s this — it starts with basically a vision of the

future, and it’s so powerful that it feels like it’s actually activating that particular future. You even say in the book, and I’m thinking about that 37‐year‐old Neale, your book is helping to create the future. The vision that you’re offering in this book is creating — well, to me it’s a vibration — you don’t describe it that way — a vibration and a vision that can actually bring it to fruition.

Neale: I think that the opportunity here is for people to step into their grandest notion of themselves and to

cause it to manifest individually and collectively, locally and globally in the years just ahead. In the book, we invite readers to use the book as creative art, as a creative form, to use the book as creative literature. That is to use it as a means of inspiration and instigation, producing the collective tomorrow, upon which we can all agree.

Jennifer: And you have a suggestion. It feels like it’s real. It was so real in the book, the synergy engine. Neale: Yes. It’s, again, important to credit where that came from. That’s Barbara Marx Hubbard’s incredible

idea. The synergy engine is what she’s been working on for probably 30 years, and the synergy engine is a replacement for the war room. You’ll take the war room out of the basement of the White House or the Pentagon or wherever the heck it is, and we’ll have a room that’s called the synergy engine. On the 22nd of December, we would love to have at least a beginning model of the synergy engine online. We’ll do it on the Internet. Now that we have the Internet, we can do it on the Internet, and the synergy engine will be a place where people all over the world can offer their ideas and their solutions to the problems of the world, because somewhere in the world that problem has already been solved. It’s just a question of matching up the solution with the problem itself. There are very few problems on the earth that have not been solved in one location or another. It’s amazing that we just simply don’t connect solutions with the problems. So the synergy engine is about creating synergy on the planet by opening the Internet to people everywhere who want to offer their genius, their gift, their insight, their understanding, their wisdom, their clarity and, in fact, their solution to a particular problem that they have observed and witnessed on the face of the earth. The idea is that when we collect all the data, that it will be like the Wikisolutions. Instead of Wikipedia, it’ll be Wikisolutions, where you just type in a problem, whatever it might be, and up comes the solution that humanity has already designed and experienced somewhere else.

Jennifer: That is brilliant, and again, just creating a suggestion creates an opening for people to be inspired and

take action. It’s really unique, and it’s something, I think, Barbara does really well. My final question for tonight is what is a fully‐embodied universal human? What is that? I mean, there’s a description of it in the book, but I’m curious what, from your insight and your poetry, what that is.


Neale: I think it’s a human who has fully integrated all three aspects of its beingness and emerged from those three aspects as a version of itself that’s larger than all three, where, if you please, the whole is, in fact, greater than the sum of its parts. So I think that the universal human is a human who is not simply body, mind and spirit but all three combined and then greater than that, where it experiences and expresses itself in a universal form, which knows no identity limitation, which may carry a form of male or female, a black or a white, a gay or a straight, even a Democrat or even a [cough] Republican. Little human there.

Jennifer: We’re going to get emails from Republicans now, Neale. Gosh, darn it. Neale: I know. Just kidding, just makes it fun. Just having some fun, but the point is that we transcend — I

think the universe or human transcends every limiting definition that we or anybody else would place on us and begins to act from, to come from and to move through that limitless definition in everything that it thinks and says and does. By the way, there are people like that, and if you want to meet one, pick up the phone and call Barbara Marx Hubbard.

Jennifer: Indeed. Thank you, Neale. We’re at the top of the hour. As always, incredibly insightful and very, very

hard opening and gives beautiful fodder for the mind and the heart. Very much appreciate your insights and wisdom. As we do on Healing with the Masters, we give an opportunity for our audience to learn more about you, to experience more of you. I’m so honored that Neale has decided to offer a live, virtual class for six different classes, virtual meaning you can dial‐in, and it’s going to be on topics that you’re actually going to be influencing. We are going to ask you what it is that you are looking for guidance on, and we are going to present this to Neale. Neale is going to then develop the curriculum based on your input. It’s really cool. It’s very unique, and we very much appreciate you working with us, Neale, to create this. So if you’re interested in having an interaction with Neale, there will be an opportunity. We’ll be opening up the lines for you to ask questions. There will be six topics, one for each show that we’re going to develop through your input, and this program is going to be starting on May 31 and running for six shows. It’s probably going to be six shows over about three weeks. So:

healingwiththemasters.com/nealespecial. Along with that you’re going to get three bonus calls, which are from his Messenger Circle, three of his

most powerful — we had a selection of a dozen last year, and we chose the three most powerful that are going to be bonus offers for you as well. So as soon as you order, you can start experiencing additional beautiful and vibrant and poetic wisdom from Neale Donald Walsch. Again, you’ll be able to participate in a series with him that you’ve created in partnership with Neale, and you’ll be able to interact with him. Again, that’s:

healingwiththemasters.com/nealespecial. It’s an expansive and transformational interactive class that you design. We’re very, very excited.

We’ve never done this before, and we’re thrilled that Neale said yes and that you guys are going to say yes, and we’re all going to hang out together and go much, much deeper into this material. Thank you so much, Neale, for showing up, and thank you so much for partnering with us on this offer as well. We appreciate you and your insights and wisdom so much.

Neale: You’re very gentle, and you’re very kind, and you’re very generous. Thank you, and I want to just say to

people, I do this not because we’re all trying to figure out a way to do the next big offer or the next big game to play, next bit project, whatever. It’s because I have a feeling that we are one conversation away from creating a new reality on the earth and a new self, and I want to have that conversation with people. So I hope that they’ll call in right now.


Jennifer: Beautiful. Thank you so much. I know that there’s a lot of people that want to have that conversation with you, so this is your opportunity to do that. Thank you for qualifying that. We do these offers — we really do, and we keep them at a great price. Thank you for allowing us to give it such a really fantastic price so that our audience can experience more if they’re drawn to it. If they’re not, it’s okay, and if it’s something that you can’t afford, it’s okay too. We do this call that you can listen to and all 24 calls that you can listen to for free that will help you kind of change that vibration and maybe create something a little different. So thank you, thank you, thank you, Neale. Again, the phrase that pays for today is out of your mind and into your soul. Thank you for that. That feels like a perfect way to illustrate. Let’s get out of our mind and into our soul, babies.

Neale: Thank you, my friend. Good to be with you. Jennifer: Thank you, Neale, so much, and for the rest of you, we will have another powerful set of calls next week

with an Indian master, Sadhguru — I’m saying that name wrong, and someone’s going to correct me soon. For some reason I haven’t been able to say it, but join us next Tuesday for that call. Next Thursday we will have another beautiful and fabulous guest as well that you guys are going to be blown away with. So thanks, everyone, for joining us for Healing with the Masters. Thank you so much, Neale. I love you all so very, very much and am honored that you’ve chosen this afternoon to spend with us. We will see you next time. Good night, everyone.

[End of Teleseminar]


Volume VII | Further Information

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Host

Jennifer McLean

March 8, 2011

James Redfield

Celebrated author of the international blockbuster The Celestine Prophecy Spiritual Teacher Launching his new book The Twelfth Insight www.celestinevision.com

March 10, 2011

Jo Dunning

"The Miracle Worker" World renowned spiritual teacher, author and Energy Practitioner www.jodunning.com

March 15, 2011

Sonia Choquette

International bestselling Hay House author, spiritual teacher, and distinguished Intuitive Advisor www.soniachoquette.com

March 22, 2011

Hale Dwoskin

New York Times bestselling author and creator of The Sedona Method™ Featured teacher in The Secret movie www.sedona.com

March 24, 2011

Elizabeth Jones

Astrologer extraordinaire and gifted Intuitive Revealing the nature of powerful 2011 transitions www.astrologyoflight.com


Healing With the Masters: Volume VII | Further Information (cont’d) March 29, 2011

Judith Orloff

New York Times and international bestselling author Popular Intuitive Psychiatrist www.judithorloff.com

March 31, 2011

Richard Bartlett

Teacher Prominent Healer Creator of the powerful Matrix Energetics www.matrixenergetics.com

April 5, 2011

Jacqueline Joy

Spiritual Teacher Life‐changing creator of Diamond Alignment for Equanimity & Joy www.diamondalignment.com

April 7, 2011

Wayne Dyer

Distinguished international bestselling author of 32 books and 2 movies Inspirational Speaker PBS Personality www.drwaynedyer.com

April 12, 2011

Dan Millman

Author of The Way Of The Peaceful Warrior Launching his new book The Four Purposes of Life Inspirational Speaker www.peacefulwarrior.com

April 14, 2011

Bo Rinaldi

Internationally known vegan chef Health/Peace Visionary "Food is Your Best Medicine" www.veganfusion.com


Healing With the Masters: Volume VII | Further Information (cont’d) April 19, 2011

Mark Romero

Sound vibration healer Musician Coach www.markromeromusic.com

April 21, 2011

Patricia Cota‐Robles

Internationally known Teacher Co‐Founder & President of the non‐profit educational organization New Age Study of Humanity’s Purpose, Inc. www.eraofpeace.org

April 26, 2011

Sheila Gillette

Author and renowned spiritual medium and teacher Co‐Founder of the Theo Group www.asktheo.com

April 27, 2011

Mahendra Kumar Trivedi

Renowned Spiritual Teacher Founder of the Trivedi Foundation www.trivedifoundation.org

April 28, 2011

Dee Wallace

Renowned Actress who starred in the movie ET Creator of the I‐M System of Healing www.officialdeewallace.com

May 3, 2011

Cynthia Kersey

Bestselling Author Motivational Speaker Founder of the UNSTOPPABLE Foundation www.unstoppable.net


Healing With the Masters: Volume VII | Further Information (cont’d) May 5, 2011

Cheryl Richardson

New York Times bestselling and award‐winning author Inspirational Speaker Host of The Life Makeover Project with Cheryl Richardson www.cherylrichardson.com

May 10, 2011

Maureen Moss

Catalyst for evolution of the human soul Award‐Winning Author President of the World Puja Network Global Keynote Speaker www.maureenmoss.com

May 12, 2011

Neale Donald Walsch

Internationally renowned New York Times bestselling author of the Conversations With God series, now translated into 34 languages. www.NealeDonaldWalsch.com

May 17, 2011

Sadhguru Jaggi Vasudev

Visionary Humanitarian Prominent Spiritual Leader Yogi and Profound Mystic www.sadhguru.com

May 19, 2011

Michael Bernard Beckwith

Bestselling Author Celebrated Spiritual Teacher Founder of the Agape International Spiritual Center www.drmichaelbeckwith.com

May 24, 2011

Mary Hall

Recognized Spiritual Healer Popular Abundance Coach Author and Speaker www.maryahall.com


Healing With the Masters: Volume VII | Further Information (cont’d) May 26, 2011

Alison Armstrong

Nationally known educator and expert on understanding men www.understandmen.com

May 31, 2011

Lynne McTaggart

Internationally renowned bestselling author Researcher Dynamic public speaker www.lynnemctaggart.com

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