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Jesus Christ to accept as savior?? Part 2

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Decent video about the process. [link to www.youtube.com] also gary tongues video: [link to www.youtube.com] He was also commissioned by the Urantia foundation to do illustrations of the creation which are excellent. You can go here. [link to www.visionafar.com] [link to www.youtube.com] another decent one about the ascent to Paradise. Quoting: Nobody in Particular please view these. in regards to the paradise discussion. Anonymous Coward User ID: 1297880

United Kingdom 09/29/2011 09:26 AM Or did they all end up in hell? Was the first person to accept JC as their savior the first person in heaven? Quoting: Anonymous Coward 1154162 thank you for your very wise questions. Not a single christian will be able to answer it either. The creation is many many trillions of years old and there are over 5 trillion life bearing planets and heaven has been around a long time. Jesus never taught anything about hell. that was added to the bible. it does not exist. and heaven is both a state of mind and the higher realms of the cosmos. this is a prison ward for the lucifer rebellion people and galactic thugs. the christ mission and others have been completely misunderstood and out and out purposely corrupted. People need to THINK. IF they did, they would not believe such as this below. they would KNOW BETTER. :Nutty Christiani:

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Quoting: Nobody in Particular You were doing so well until "this is a prison ward for the lucifer rebellion people and galactic thugs". Judethz User ID: 1547630

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Mat 10:42 And whosoever shall give to drink unto one of these little ones a cup of cold [water] only in the name of a disciple, verily I say unto you, he shall in no wise lose his reward Nobody in Particular the Age of Confusion is Fully Manifest. User ID: 2230535

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Or did they all end up in hell? Was the first person to accept JC as their savior the first person in heaven? Quoting: Anonymous Coward 1154162 thank you for your very wise questions. Not a single christian will be able to answer it either. The creation is many many trillions of years old and there are over 5 trillion life bearing planets and heaven has been around a long time. Jesus never taught anything about hell. that was added to the bible. it does not exist. and heaven is both a state of mind and the higher realms of the




cosmos. this is a prison ward for the lucifer rebellion people and galactic thugs. the christ mission and others have been completely misunderstood and out and out purposely corrupted. People need to THINK. IF they did, they would not believe such as this below. they would KNOW BETTER.

Quoting: Nobody in Particular You were doing so well until "this is a prison ward for the lucifer rebellion people and galactic thugs". Quoting: Pabs This earth is a prison ward, and even the bible is correct in suggesting that. Well its doesn't use the word "prison" but what else would it be if the thugs are confined here, it does say that. People, doesn't matter their origin, angel or human, that refuse to become responsible or have caused great anguish are placed on prison worlds. Notice we don't exactly have space travel here. these little beggings of such are not space travel. These technologies will not be allow man until he has returned to a state of responsibility. There are several prisons wards in Nebadon and the other universes. You want to fly the friendly universe, you will be friendly. that is the rules. Gogh User ID: 1516975

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Heaven is the state of mind of perfect oneness (non-dualistic state of mind, experienced by the spiritual enlightened, those who are awake from this dreamstate) Hell is the dualistic state of mind(yep, most of us are in an unenlightened, ego state of mind, completely cought in the dreamstate we call "life on earth..... what a joke to consider this illusion real and to identify Self with an object, a thing (body) Quoting: Anonymous Coward 2200913 Heaven is above your head... and hell is where evil will be burned, the furnace, called the lake of fire prepared for the demon and his mignon's. Ezekiel 28:16-19 [16] Through your widespread trade you were filled with violence, and you sinned. So I drove you in disgrace from the mount of God, and I expelled you, O guardian cherub, from among the fiery stones. [17] Your heart became proud on account of your beauty, and you corrupted your wisdom because of your splendor. So I threw you to the earth; I made a spectacle of you before kings. [18] By your many sins and dishonest trade you have desecrated your sanctuaries. So I made a fire come out from you, and it consumed you, and I reduced you to ashes on the ground in the sight of all who were watching. [19] All the nations who knew you are appalled at you; you have come to a horrible end and will be no more.' " Quoting: Gogh gogh, this is terrible. There is no hell. Jesus never taught that, it was a stupid belief of those that came before him and added to the bible by the thugs of this world. Please do not any answer now many times its in the NT, because it is not there honestly. You ones are going to have to begin to consciously THINK. this is not thinking. the evil are not burned. The body is gone, so it can't be burned, and the soul cannot be "burned" either, although it can be destroyed and some are going to face the 2nd death. as to the AC quoted here, that is a somewhat better description but a form even a spirit form, for those who are spirit status, is always needed and ones always live on a sphere, even spirit beings. The SKY IS ABOVE YOUR HEAD but SPACE is NOT HEAVEN. Thus to other here, this is not going to happen, your bodies do not go to heaven in a rapture scenario. :"rapture&qu: WELL shit, this is an image off one of those christian rapture sites showing people rising up into the sky. OH well, try again sometime to capture one. IF this is to happen, its called evacuation and you go into a CRAFT this way. that is how you "rise up" to meet the lord in that situation and they take only the children of light first, then the kids who are too young to decide and then any dark ones if there is any time left.


Where are the firey stones in the ezekiel quote, and better yet what are they? Have you ones any idea of this shit? I don't, its either totally mistranslated or made up, or the bible corrupted. god speaks to his ones in clear language. HELL is prison worlds if you must use that term. YOU LIVE ON ONE. Quoting: Nobody in Particular Oooh... Hell certainly exist and jesus explained it in the Parable of the Tares... According to the Matthew 13:24-30 during the final judgment, the angels will separate the "sons of the evil one" (the "tares" or weeds) from the "sons of the kingdom" (the wheat). It follows the Parable of the Sower, and precedes the Parable of the Mustard Seed. Then Jesus sent the multitudes away, and went into the house. His disciples came to him, saying, "Explain to us the parable of the darnel weeds of the field." He answered them, "He who sows the good seed is the Son of Man, the field is the world; and the good seed, these are the children of the Kingdom; and the darnel weeds are the children of the evil one. The enemy who sowed them is the devil. The harvest is the end of the age, and the reapers are angels. As therefore the darnel weeds are gathered up and burned with fire; so will it be at the end of this age. The Son of Man will send out his angels, and they will gather out of his Kingdom all things that cause stumbling, and those who do iniquity, and will cast them into the furnace of fire. There will be weeping and the gnashing of teeth. Then the righteous will shine forth like the sun in the Kingdom of their Father. He who has ears to hear, let him hear. — Matthew 13:36-43, In the Old Testament, the word for which hell is given in the King James Version is sheol, a word whose root meaning is ―unseen.‖ The King James Version translates sheol as ―hell‖ 31 times, ―the grave‖ 31 times (since someone in the grave is unseen), and ―the pit‖ three times. Hell a place of punishment... A place where Judgment is carried out... Jesus‘ first use of gehenna in the Sermon on the Mount, John continued in Mt. 3.11-12: I indeed baptize you in water unto repentance: but he that cometh after me is mightier than I, whose shoes I am not worthy to bear: he shall baptize you in the Holy Spirit and in fire: whose fan is in his hand, and he will thoroughly cleanse his threshing-floor; and he will gather his wheat into the garner, but the chaff he will burn up with unquenchable fire. In Mt. 5.21-22, Jesus used gehenna for the first time in inspired speech:


Ye have heard that it was said to them of old time, Thou shalt not kill; and whosoever shall kill shall be in danger of the judgment: but I say unto you, that every one who is angry with his brother shall be in danger of the judgment, and whosoever shall say, Thou fool, shall be in danger of the hell of fire (gehenna—SGD). Anonymous Coward User ID: 2277926 09/29/2011 09:45 AM BY FAITH IN CHRIST ObeWayneKenobe User ID: 1330622


I indeed baptize you in water unto repentance: but he that cometh after me is mightier than I, whose shoes I am not worthy to bear: he shall baptize you in the Holy Spirit and in fire: whose fan is in his hand, and he will thoroughly cleanse his threshing-floor; and he will gather his wheat into the garner, but the chaff he will burn up with unquenchable fire. Quoting: Gogh: You think the "Baptism by fire" is "Hell"? Oh brother, methinks you have a lot to learn about "purification" of the physical!?!.....:( Last Edited by ObeWayneKenobe on 09/29/2011 11:07 AM Nobody in Particular the Age of Confusion is Fully Manifest. User ID: 2230535


BY FAITH IN CHRIST Quoting: Anonymous Coward 2277926 not even. You are leaving out the Muslim, the buddhist, the hindu and so on and so forth and all those that lived on the planet even in the days of the dinosaurs. THINK. PLEASE.





thinking is of God. Christ was God manifest of this earth and anyone who chooses eternal life is saved, even the dark ones, as they are always given quite a few chances after choosing eternal life to grow up. Again, this is what the christian tends to "believe" and believing is NOT KNOWING. And other religions probably have their own version of this. Please study this because its an excellent summary of your ones belief system and its NOT what Jesus taught.

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United States 09/29/2011 11:15 AM I believed the truly righteous souls were held in "Abraham's Bosom" It's a place located in hell, but protected by "Abrahams Bosom" So they didn't experience torment. There were those that came before Jesus that were saved. When Jesus descended into Hell he got them...if they didn't KNow Jesus they did not go to him (which if you were of GOD you would have expected a Messiah to save you, since it was the word of God prior to Jesus) There were several people that were saved as they kept good Faith in God..i.e Abraham, Joseph, King David..etc..etc... You should really read the NT it is talked about in there. Quoting: Anonymous Coward 1403806 No one goes to heaven or 'hell' when they die. The Bible is clear that when we die, we wait for judgement in our graves. Ecclesiastes 9 Quoting: A Voice In The Wilderness



Why did Jesus tell one of the two men hung with him that "today" you will be with me in paradise, if he was going to stay in his grave until judgement? Nobody in Particular the Age of Confusion is Fully Manifest. User ID: 2230535


I believed the truly righteous souls were held in "Abraham's Bosom" It's a place located in hell, but protected by "Abrahams Bosom" So they didn't experience torment. There were those that came before Jesus that were saved. When Jesus descended into Hell he got them...if they didn't KNow Jesus they did not go to him (which if you were of GOD you would have expected a Messiah to save you, since it was the word of God prior to Jesus) There were several people that were saved as they kept good Faith in God..i.e Abraham, Joseph, King David..etc..etc... You should really read the NT it is talked about in there. Quoting: Anonymous Coward 1403806 No one goes to heaven or 'hell' when they die. The Bible is clear that when we die, we wait for judgement in our graves. Ecclesiastes 9 Quoting: A Voice In The Wilderness Why did Jesus tell one of the two men hung with him that "today" you will be with me in paradise, if he was going to stay in his grave until judgement? Quoting: Anonymous Coward 1898528 Frist to the above quote, you are right. He did not say however "Paradise", because Paradise is obtained after quite some eons of effort. Paradise is the Center of the Creation. And it is earned. I am from Paradise and I know of what I speak on this one. you do not wait in your grave. Please THINK. this is how bling is passed along. How many people do not have graves??? How many are cremated, or lost at sea or otherwise have no graves. This planet has changed hugely even in 2000 years, so how many graves have been destroyed. Do



not use this as figure of speech because it is not accurate. Now let me explain the WHAT IS. And do not ask for a stupid link off the web as proof. the proof is inside of you and it's my knowing. First of all, since the bestowal of the spirit of truth 2000 years ago by Michael of Nebadon, all those who have made 3rd circle spiritual growth (out of 7 circles, the 7th being the most immature), go directly to the lower heaven worlds called the "mansion worlds" with in 3 days of death of the body. There are you given a NEW BODY. Those that did not make 3rd circle, "sleep" until the next general resurrection and there was one around 1000 AD of the sleeping survivors and there is one going on now at intervals. Except that the angels who are in charge of stuff like this can reincarnate the sleeping, should there be enough population to do so and give them more experience in life. If any of these make 3rd circle in any of these additional lives, they would then pass to the mansion worlds on the 3d day after the death of their body as above. This is a prison ward for galactic thugs and the lucifer crown and these ones reincarnate over and over because they cannot leave the prison until they earn their way out of it. When this occurs they leave. Prior to the bestowal of Michael of Nebadon, while the planet was still under Prince Caligastia, everyone had to stay on this planet and reincarnate. Even moses was not released until 2000 years ago and he was a pretty evolved soul. Now souls of my type, do their own thing. Moses was not able to release himself, but Krishna, for example WAS able to and so have many others. I am a "free spirit" and plan completely my own game. This is my 6th incarnation on this lowly planet. I have been here about 400 years. My first was in Tibet, for orientation to this planet, as that was the most advanced and protected place yet to get used to how things are here. Last life I was in germany and died in Dachau. I was a rebel. I have also had a life as an american Indian, a black in africa captured into slavery and dumped in the atlantic ocean on the way to this country, and a free black in New Orleans near the time of the civil war. I have been here to prepare to serve at this time, in these past lives, and I was studying the religion and cultures here that I chose to incarnate into. so I have no been lying in my grave since heaven only knows how long. OK.. There are over 200 million star seeds here and we do not lie in our graves after death. How many people have lived on this planet in just 2000 years? There are 7 billion now. About 1/2 the population at this time are "new souls" and most of them are automatons and only about 10% of them receive a father fragment. some are uncreated after death if they were gross, and others are reincarnated if their is some hope that they might receive a Father Fragment in another life. This is but one job description of some of the angels that are created. Now grow up and out of your childish views on god and religion. Because you can do better if you effort to do so. Last Edited by Nobody in Particular on 09/29/2011 11:53 AM Gogh User ID: 1516975

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I indeed baptize you in water unto repentance: but he that cometh after me is mightier than I, whose shoes I am not worthy to bear: he shall baptize you in the Holy Spirit and in fire: whose fan is in his hand, and he will thoroughly cleanse his threshing-floor; and he will gather his wheat into the garner, but the chaff he will burn up with unquenchable fire. Quoting: Gogh: You think the "Baptism by fire" is "Hell"? Oh brother, methinks you have a lot to learn about "purification" of the physical!?!.....:( Quoting: ObeWayneKenobe the chaff(The evil ones found guilty)he will burn up with unquenchable fire. So it's written... and so shall it be... by your fruits you shall be judged... 714 User ID: 1477475

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Or did they all end up in hell? Was the first person to accept JC as their savior the first person in heaven? Quoting: Anonymous Coward 1154162 no one is in heaven or hell till after the judgement. Nobody in Particular the Age of Confusion is Fully Manifest. User ID: 2230535





Heaven is the state of mind of perfect oneness (non-dualistic state of mind, experienced by the spiritual enlightened, those who are awake from this dreamstate) Hell is the dualistic state of mind(yep, most of us are in an unenlightened, ego state of mind, completely cought in the dreamstate we call "life on earth..... what a joke to consider this illusion real and to identify Self with an object, a thing (body) Quoting: Anonymous Coward 2200913 Heaven is above your head... and hell is where evil will be burned, the furnace, called the lake of fire prepared for the demon and his mignon's. Ezekiel 28:16-19 [16] Through your widespread trade you were filled with violence, and you sinned. So I drove you in disgrace from the mount of God, and I expelled you, O guardian cherub, from among the fiery stones. [17] Your heart became proud on account of your beauty, and you corrupted your wisdom because of your splendor. So I threw you to the earth; I made a spectacle of you before kings. [18] By your many sins and dishonest trade you have desecrated your sanctuaries. So I made a fire come out from you, and it consumed you, and I reduced you to ashes on the ground in the sight of all who were watching. [19] All the nations who knew you are appalled at you; you have come to a horrible end and will be no more.' " Quoting: Gogh gogh, this is terrible. There is no hell. Jesus never taught that, it was a stupid belief of those that came before him and added to the bible by the thugs of this world. Please do not any answer now many times its in the NT, because it is not there honestly. You ones are going to have to begin to consciously THINK. this is not thinking. the evil are not burned. The body is gone, so it can't be burned, and the soul cannot be "burned" either, although it can be destroyed and some are going to face the 2nd death. as to the AC quoted here, that is a somewhat better description but a form even a spirit form, for those who are spirit status, is always needed and ones always live on a sphere, even spirit beings. The SKY IS ABOVE YOUR HEAD but SPACE is NOT HEAVEN. Thus to other here, this is not going to happen, your bodies do not go to heaven in a rapture scenario. :"rapture&qu: WELL shit, this is an image off one of those christian rapture sites showing people rising up into the sky. OH well, try again sometime to capture one. IF this is to happen, its called evacuation and you go into a CRAFT this way. that is how you "rise up" to meet the lord in that situation and they take only the children of light first, then the kids who are too young to decide and then any dark ones if there is any time left.


Where are the firey stones in the ezekiel quote, and better yet what are they? Have you ones any idea of this shit? I don't, its either totally mistranslated or made up, or the bible corrupted. god speaks to his ones in clear language. HELL is prison worlds if you must use that term. YOU LIVE ON ONE. Quoting: Nobody in Particular Oooh... Hell certainly exist and jesus explained it in the Parable of the Tares... According to the Matthew 13:24-30 during the final judgment, the angels will separate the "sons of the evil one" (the "tares" or weeds) from the "sons of the kingdom" (the wheat). It follows the Parable of the Sower, and precedes the Parable of the Mustard Seed. Then Jesus sent the multitudes away, and went into the house. His disciples came to him, saying, "Explain to us the parable of the darnel weeds of the field." He answered them, "He who sows the good seed is the Son of Man, the field is the world; and the good seed, these are the children of the Kingdom; and the darnel weeds are the children of the evil one. The enemy who sowed them is the devil. The harvest is the end of the age, and the reapers are angels. As therefore the darnel weeds are gathered up and burned with fire; so will it be at the end of this age. The Son of Man will send out his angels, and they will gather out of his Kingdom all things that cause stumbling, and those who do iniquity, and will cast them into the furnace of fire. There will be weeping and the gnashing of teeth. Then the righteous will shine forth like the sun in the Kingdom of their Father. He who has ears to hear, let him hear. — Matthew 13:36-43, In the Old Testament, the word for which hell is given in the King James Version is sheol, a word whose root meaning is ―unseen.‖ The King James Version translates sheol as ―hell‖ 31 times, ―the grave‖ 31 times (since someone in the grave is unseen), and ―the pit‖ three times. Hell a place of punishment... A place where Judgment is carried out... Jesus‘ first use of gehenna in the Sermon on the Mount, John continued in Mt. 3.11-12: I indeed baptize you in water unto repentance: but he that cometh after me is mightier than I, whose shoes I am not worthy to bear: he shall baptize you in the Holy Spirit and in fire: whose fan is in his hand, and he will thoroughly cleanse his threshing-floor; and he will gather his wheat into the garner, but the chaff he will burn up with unquenchable fire.


In Mt. 5.21-22, Jesus used gehenna for the first time in inspired speech: Ye have heard that it was said to them of old time, Thou shalt not kill; and whosoever shall kill shall be in danger of the judgment: but I say unto you, that every one who is angry with his brother shall be in danger of the judgment, and whosoever shall say, Thou fool, shall be in danger of the hell of fire (gehenna—SGD). Quoting: Gogh Gogh, put on your mind again. Because in your quote from Matthew, it says they are uncreated, and uncreation is NOT HELL. Now the Gospel of Matthew is Hearsay. HE did not write it. It was written by one of his students. I am going to take liberty here to post from the Urantia Book. [link to www.urantia.org] I would suggest reading the entire paper at that link. You will find out that only the gospel of mark was written by John Mark. The others are hearsay. And even some of Mark is hearsay from Peter. (1341.5) 121:8.4 2. The Gospel of Matthew. The so-called Gospel according to Matthew is the record of the Master‘s life which was written for the edification of Jewish Christians. The author of this record constantly seeks to show in Jesus‘ life that much which he did was that ―it might be fulfilled which was spoken by the prophet.‖ Matthew‘s Gospel portrays Jesus as a son of David, picturing him as showing great respect for the law and the prophets. (1341.6) 121:8.5 The Apostle Matthew did not write this Gospel. It was written by Isador, one of his disciples, who had as a help in his work not only Matthew‘s personal remembrance of these events but also a certain record which the latter had made of the sayings of Jesus directly after the crucifixion. This record by Matthew was written in Aramaic; Isador wrote in Greek. There was no intent to deceive in accrediting the production to Matthew. It was the custom in those days for pupils thus to honor their teachers. (1342.1) 121:8.6 Matthew‘s original record was edited and added to in A.D. 40 just before he left Jerusalem to engage in evangelistic preaching. It was a private record, the last copy having been destroyed in the burning of a Syrian monastery in A.D. 416. (1342.2) 121:8.7 Isador escaped from Jerusalem in A.D. 70 after the investment of the city by the armies of Titus, taking with him to Pella a copy of Matthew‘s notes. In the year 71, while living at Pella, Isador wrote the Gospel according to Matthew. He also had with him the first four fifths of Mark‘s narrative. HELL DOES NOT EXIST. the thugs added that to the bible. and translations of ancient words are not accurate hardly ever as to meaning. JESUS NEVEr TAUGHT there was a HELL that cannot exist. the 2nd death, the uncreation of the soul is NOT HELL. IT IS YOU NO LONGER EXIST. That does happen. Mostly because people have not chosen eternal life, and the other issue is that those that did mucked up really really bad, and faced trial before the courts of Nebadon, and in the case of Uncreation, that is determined only by the courts of the Ancients of Days in the Superuniverse level of government. Last Edited by Nobody in Particular on 09/29/2011 12:14 PM Gogh User ID: 1516975

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Gogh, put on your mind again. Because in your quote from Matthew, it says they are uncreated, and uncreation is NOT HELL. Now the Gospel of Matthew is Hearsay. HE did not write it. It was written by one of his students. I am going to take liberty here to post from the Urantia Book. [link to www.urantia.org] I would suggest reading the entire paper at that link. You will find out that only the gospel of mark was written by John Mark. The others are hearsay. And even some of Mark is hearsay from Peter. (1341.5) 121:8.4 2. The Gospel of Matthew. The so-called Gospel according to Matthew is the record of the Master‘s life which was written for the edification of Jewish Christians. The author of this record constantly seeks to show in Jesus‘ life that much which he did was that ―it might be fulfilled which was spoken by the prophet.‖ Matthew‘s Gospel portrays Jesus as a son of David, picturing him as showing great respect for the law and the prophets. (1341.6) 121:8.5 The Apostle Matthew did not write this Gospel. It was written by Isador, one of his disciples, who had as a help in his work not only Matthew‘s personal remembrance of these events but also a certain record which the latter had made of the sayings of Jesus directly after the crucifixion. This record by Matthew was written in Aramaic; Isador wrote in Greek. There was no intent to deceive in accrediting the production to Matthew. It was the custom in those days for pupils thus to honor their teachers. (1342.1) 121:8.6 Matthew‘s original record was edited and added to in A.D. 40 just before he left Jerusalem to engage in evangelistic preaching. It was a private record, the last copy having been destroyed in the burning of a Syrian monastery in A.D. 416. (1342.2) 121:8.7 Isador escaped from Jerusalem in A.D. 70 after the investment of the city by the armies of Titus, taking with him to Pella a copy of Matthew‘s notes. In the year 71, while living at Pella, Isador wrote the Gospel according to Matthew. He also had with him the first four fifths of Mark‘s narrative. HELL DOES NOT EXIST. the thugs added that to the bible. and translations of ancient words are not accurate hardly ever as to meaning. JESUS NEVEr TAUGHT there was a HELL that cannot exist. the 2nd death, the uncreation of the soul is NOT HELL. IT IS YOU NO LONGER EXIST. That does happen. Mostly because people have not chosen eternal life, and the other issue is that those that did mucked up really really bad, and faced trial before the courts of Nebadon, and in the case of Uncreation, that is determined only by the courts of the Ancients of Days in the Superuniverse level of government. Quoting: Nobody in Particular I find this even fake as Matthew may be... Jesus always thought there was judgment and wrath cometh if they turned not away from their evil ways... Just look up lake of fire in the bible and you will know the place judgment will be carried out... there is really no escape to this... Paradise is forbidden zone for all evil... therefore the bad weed is burned...



The Sin of Jesus... he cleaned the world from all evil with fire... the promise of Naoh: "the next judgment will be by fire, not water." ObeWayneKenobe User ID: 1330622


You think the "Baptism by fire" is "Hell"? Oh brother, methinks you have a lot to learn about "purification" of the physical!?!.....:( Quoting: ObeWayneKenobe the chaff(The evil ones found guilty)he will burn up with unquenchable fire. So it's written... and so shall it be... by your fruits you shall be judged... Quoting: Gogh So YOU think Jesus is going to come down here and commit Mass Murder, by setting fire to all the wicked?....and who among us has not been "wicked" at one time or another??? Geese, you have a lot to learn....! Last Edited by ObeWayneKenobe on 09/29/2011 12:37 PM Gogh User ID: 1516975

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You think the "Baptism by fire" is "Hell"? Oh brother, methinks you have a lot to learn about "purification" of the physical!?!.....:( Quoting: ObeWayneKenobe the chaff(The evil ones found guilty)he will burn up with unquenchable fire. So it's written... and so shall it be... by your fruits you shall be judged... Quoting: Gogh





So YOU think Jesus is going to come down here and commit Mass Murder, by setting fire to all the wicked?....and who among us has not been "wicked" at one time or another??? Geese, you have a lot to learn....! Quoting: ObeWayneKenobe Not I think... I am sure... And he ain't coming down... he is born here, from the bloodline of King David and King Solomon... You should learn more... because there is here none who has real understanding of those books you all claim to be yours... I say if it were your books than you also must have understood what terrible warning is written in those holy books... Jesus brings the sword... Matthew 10:34 Think not that I am come to send peace on earth: I came not to send peace, but a sword. Luke 12:51 Suppose ye that I am come to give peace on earth? I tell you, Nay; but rather division: For from henceforth there shall be five in one house divided, three against two, and two against three. The father shall be divided against the son, and the son against the father; the mother against the daughter, and the daughter against the mother; the mother in law against her daughter in law, and the daughter in law against her mother in law. Luke 22:36 He that hath no sword, let him sell his garment, and buy one. Revelation 19:11 And I saw heaven opened, and behold a white horse; and he that sat upon him was called Faithful and True, and in righteousness he doth judge and make war. ObeWayneKenobe User ID: 1330622


You think the "Baptism by fire" is "Hell"? Oh brother, methinks you have a lot to learn about "purification" of the physical!?!.....:( Quoting: ObeWayneKenobe the chaff(The evil ones found guilty)he will burn up with unquenchable fire. So it's written... and so shall it be... by your fruits you shall be judged... Quoting: Gogh So YOU think Jesus is going to come down here and commit Mass Murder, by setting fire to all



the wicked?....and who among us has not been "wicked" at one time or another??? Geese, you have a lot to learn....! Quoting: ObeWayneKenobe Not I think... I am sure... And he ain't coming down... he is born here, from the bloodline of King David and King Solomon... You should learn more... because there is here none who has real understanding of those books you all claim to be yours... I say if it were your books than you also must have understood what terrible warning is written in those holy books... Jesus brings the sword... Matthew 10:34 Think not that I am come to send peace on earth: I came not to send peace, but a sword. Luke 12:51 Suppose ye that I am come to give peace on earth? I tell you, Nay; but rather division: For from henceforth there shall be five in one house divided, three against two, and two against three. The father shall be divided against the son, and the son against the father; the mother against the daughter, and the daughter against the mother; the mother in law against her daughter in law, and the daughter in law against her mother in law. Luke 22:36 He that hath no sword, let him sell his garment, and buy one. Revelation 19:11 And I saw heaven opened, and behold a white horse; and he that sat upon him was called Faithful and True, and in righteousness he doth judge and make war. Quoting: Gogh Well thank you for making my point: That you worship, and follow, a "Mass Murderer"! :( ....And yes, the bible would support THAT idea, since it was Lucifer's projection from the start! Gogh User ID: 1516975

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... the chaff(The evil ones found guilty)he will burn up with unquenchable fire. So it's written... and so shall it be... by your fruits you shall be judged... Quoting: Gogh



So YOU think Jesus is going to come down here and commit Mass Murder, by setting fire to all the wicked?....and who among us has not been "wicked" at one time or another??? Geese, you have a lot to learn....! Quoting: ObeWayneKenobe Not I think... I am sure... And he ain't coming down... he is born here, from the bloodline of King David and King Solomon... You should learn more... because there is here none who has real understanding of those books you all claim to be yours... I say if it were your books than you also must have understood what terrible warning is written in those holy books... Jesus brings the sword... Matthew 10:34 Think not that I am come to send peace on earth: I came not to send peace, but a sword. Luke 12:51 Suppose ye that I am come to give peace on earth? I tell you, Nay; but rather division: For from henceforth there shall be five in one house divided, three against two, and two against three. The father shall be divided against the son, and the son against the father; the mother against the daughter, and the daughter against the mother; the mother in law against her daughter in law, and the daughter in law against her mother in law. Luke 22:36 He that hath no sword, let him sell his garment, and buy one. Revelation 19:11 And I saw heaven opened, and behold a white horse; and he that sat upon him was called Faithful and True, and in righteousness he doth judge and make war. Quoting: Gogh Well thank you for making my point: That you worship, and follow, a "Mass Murderer"! :( ....And yes, the bible would support THAT idea, since it was Lucifer's projection from the start! Quoting: ObeWayneKenobe I only tell what message is written in the bible... and it's your free choice if you want to surrender to the laws and pay ransom or you walk straight into the lake of fire... most will be dragged on their face on the ground, crying like swines:... seeing their end coming with the heat... They will have their faces consumed by flames. Jesus says that we should fear God who is willing and "able to destroy both soul and body in hell." 10:28 Jesus says that he has come to destroy families by making family members hate each other. He has "come not to send peace, but a sword." 10:34-36 Jesus condemns entire cities to dreadful deaths and to the eternal torment of hell because they


didn't care for his preaching. 11:20-24 Jesus will send his angels to gather up "all that offend" and they "shall cast them into a furnace of fire: there shall be wailing and gnashing of teeth." 13:41-42, 50 Jesus is criticized by the Pharisees for not washing his hands before eating. He defends himself by attacking them for not killing disobedient children according to the commandment: "He that curseth father or mother, let him die the death." (See Ex.21:15, Lev.20:9, Dt.21:18-21) So, does Jesus think that children who curse their parents should be killed? It sure sounds like it. 15:4-7 Jesus advises his followers to mutilate themselves by cutting off their hands and plucking out their eyes. He says it's better to be "maimed" than to suffer "everlasting fire." 18:8-9 In the parable of the unforgiving servant, the king threatens to enslave a man and his entire family to pay for a debt. This practice, which was common at the time, seems not to have bothered Jesus very much. The parable ends with this: "So likewise shall my heavenly Father do also unto you." If you are cruel to others, God will be cruel to you. 18:23-35 Nobody in Particular the Age of Confusion is Fully Manifest. User ID: 2230535


Now for the Truth, about those silly beliefs that Jesus is your savior. From Jesus himself 2000 years ago as recorded in the official akashic records. from the Urantia book. Jesus' comments in indigo. [link to www.urantia.org] 5. What Must I Do to Be Saved? (1682.3) 150:5.1 One evening at Shunem, after John‘s apostles had returned to Hebron, and after Jesus‘ apostles had been sent out two and two, when the Master was engaged in teaching a group of twelve of the younger evangelists who were laboring under the direction of Jacob, together with the twelve women, Rachel asked Jesus this question: ―Master, what shall we answer when women ask us, What shall I do to be saved?‖ When Jesus heard this question, he answered: (1682.4) 150:5.2 ―When men and women ask what shall we do to be saved, you shall answer, Believe this gospel of the kingdom; accept divine forgiveness. By faith recognize the indwelling spirit of God, whose acceptance makes you a son of God. Have you not read in the Scriptures where it says, ‗In the Lord have I righteousness and strength.‘ Also where the Father says, ‗My righteousness is near; my salvation has gone forth, and my arms shall enfold my people.‘ ‗My soul shall be joyful in the love of my God, for he has clothed me with the garments of salvation and has


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covered me with the robe of his righteousness.‘ Have you not also read of the Father that his name ‗shall be called the Lord our righteousness.‘ ‗Take away the filthy rags of self-righteousness and clothe my son with the robe of divine righteousness and eternal salvation.‘ It is forever true, ‗the just shall live by faith.‘ Entrance into the Father‘s kingdom is wholly free, but progress — growth in grace — is essential to continuance therein. (1682.5) 150:5.3 ―Salvation is the gift of the Father and is revealed by his Sons. Acceptance by faith on your part makes you a partaker of the divine nature, a son or a daughter of God. By faith you are justified; by faith are you saved; and by this same faith are you eternally advanced in the way of progressive and divine perfection. By faith was Abraham justified and made aware of salvation by the teachings of Melchizedek. All down through the ages has this same faith saved the sons of men, but now has a Son come forth from the Father to make salvation more real and acceptable.‖ (1683.1) 150:5.4 When Jesus had left off speaking, there was great rejoicing among those who had heard these gracious words, and they all went on in the days that followed proclaiming the gospel of the kingdom with new power and with renewed energy and enthusiasm. And the women rejoiced all the more to know they were included in these plans for the establishment of the kingdom on earth. (1683.2) 150:5.5 In summing up his final statement, Jesus said: ―You cannot buy salvation; you cannot earn righteousness. Salvation is the gift of God, and righteousness is the natural fruit of the spirit-born life of sonship in the kingdom. You are not to be saved because you live a righteous life; rather is it that you live a righteous life because you have already been saved, have recognized sonship as the gift of God and service in the kingdom as the supreme delight of life on earth. When men believe this gospel, which is a revelation of the goodness of God, they will be led to voluntary repentance of all known sin. Realization of sonship is incompatible with the desire to sin. Kingdom believers hunger for righteousness and thirst for divine perfection.‖ Nowhere in this does it say to attend church and believe ON JESUS to be saved. Salvation is the gift of the Father. He sends unto all those of normal mind, a piece of himself, which the UB calls the thought adjuster, and which I prefer to call the Father Fragment, which is a piece of the Father's MIND that indwells YOUR MIND. And most of you here already got one in some previous life in fact, unless you are truly a new soul. Last Edited by Nobody in Particular on 09/29/2011 02:14 PM Gogh User ID: 1516975

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Now for the Truth, about those silly beliefs that Jesus is your savior. From Jesus himself 2000 years ago as recorded in the official akashic records. from the Urantia book. Jesus' comments in indigo. [link to www.urantia.org]



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5. What Must I Do to Be Saved? (1682.3) 150:5.1 One evening at Shunem, after John‘s apostles had returned to Hebron, and after Jesus‘ apostles had been sent out two and two, when the Master was engaged in teaching a group of twelve of the younger evangelists who were laboring under the direction of Jacob, together with the twelve women, Rachel asked Jesus this question: ―Master, what shall we answer when women ask us, What shall I do to be saved?‖ When Jesus heard this question, he answered: (1682.4) 150:5.2 ―When men and women ask what shall we do to be saved, you shall answer, Believe this gospel of the kingdom; accept divine forgiveness. By faith recognize the indwelling spirit of God, whose acceptance makes you a son of God. Have you not read in the Scriptures where it says, ‗In the Lord have I righteousness and strength.‘ Also where the Father says, ‗My righteousness is near; my salvation has gone forth, and my arms shall enfold my people.‘ ‗My soul shall be joyful in the love of my God, for he has clothed me with the garments of salvation and has covered me with the robe of his righteousness.‘ Have you not also read of the Father that his name ‗shall be called the Lord our righteousness.‘ ‗Take away the filthy rags of self-righteousness and clothe my son with the robe of divine righteousness and eternal salvation.‘ It is forever true, ‗the just shall live by faith.‘ Entrance into the Father‘s kingdom is wholly free, but progress — growth in grace — is essential to continuance therein. (1682.5) 150:5.3 ―Salvation is the gift of the Father and is revealed by his Sons. Acceptance by faith on your part makes you a partaker of the divine nature, a son or a daughter of God. By faith you are justified; by faith are you saved; and by this same faith are you eternally advanced in the way of progressive and divine perfection. By faith was Abraham justified and made aware of salvation by the teachings of Melchizedek. All down through the ages has this same faith saved the sons of men, but now has a Son come forth from the Father to make salvation more real and acceptable.‖ (1683.1) 150:5.4 When Jesus had left off speaking, there was great rejoicing among those who had heard these gracious words, and they all went on in the days that followed proclaiming the gospel of the kingdom with new power and with renewed energy and enthusiasm. And the women rejoiced all the more to know they were included in these plans for the establishment of the kingdom on earth. (1683.2) 150:5.5 In summing up his final statement, Jesus said: ―You cannot buy salvation; you cannot earn righteousness. Salvation is the gift of God, and righteousness is the natural fruit of the spirit-born life of sonship in the kingdom. You are not to be saved because you live a righteous life; rather is it that you live a righteous life because you have already been saved, have recognized sonship as the gift of God and service in the kingdom as the supreme delight of life on earth. When men believe this gospel, which is a revelation of the goodness of God, they will be led to voluntary repentance of all known sin. Realization of sonship is incompatible with the desire to sin. Kingdom believers hunger for righteousness and thirst for divine perfection.‖ Nowhere in this does it say to attend church and believe ON JESUS to be saved. Salvation is the gift of the Father. He sends unto all those of normal mind, a piece of himself, which the UB calls the thought adjuster, and which I prefer to call the Father Fragment, which is a piece of the Father's MIND that indwells YOUR MIND. And most of you here already got one in some previous life in fact, unless you are truly a new soul. Quoting: Nobody in Particular


No nowhere it's written that must go to the church of the great whore... mother of all harlots... You are saved when you believe the Son of man when he shall be known world wide with his star that shall render all waters very bitter... Than you must pay Ransom to the son... than your name is written in the book of the Lamb and so you are saved... it's really surrender or die. if you fail to recognize the shepherd before the closing of the gates... than you finish certainly in the lake of fire...

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I only tell what message is written in the bible... Quoting: Gogh: Well see, that's your first mistake......since the bible was put together by Pharisees! :( tava6655 User ID: 1062809

United States 09/29/2011 03:59 PM Or did they all end up in hell? Was the first person to accept JC as their savior the first person in heaven? Quoting: Anonymous Coward 1154162



What happens after the loss of the physical vehicle is poorly understood as well as what heaven is. For a time before the advent of Jesus and after the Lucifer Rebellion, any earthling who passed thru the process of death was detained; not allowed to leave to continue the ascent to paradise and was put in a state of sleep (stasis) if we can call it that, waiting for a dispensational resurrection in which survivals were to be awaken in what we call the first heaven(The First Mansion World). Your bodies don't resurrect; another misunderstanding. You can't take the physical body to heaven. Heaven are architectural spheres created to order and serve a specific function and you require a different type of physical vessel suited for heaven. Read the Urantia Book to find more info. You don't have to believe in any teacher or master to survive physical death or to go to heaven. God is within you. You are your own savior nor can anyone take responsibilities for your own errors or sins. Gogh User ID: 1516975

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I only tell what message is written in the bible... Quoting: Gogh: Well see, that's your first mistake......since the bible was put together by Pharisees! :( Quoting: ObeWayneKenobe I can tell you what is written in the Torah or The Koran... no problem... they all tell the same story... evil finish in the fire... If you study the doctrine of "Conditional Immortality" will see the lost are destroyed (not forever tormented.) They suffer for their sins, then are cremated. Their soul is destroyed (Matt. 10:28) Even Death and Hades are "hurled into it "....in that they will be done away with..... when mankind is freed from sin and from the condemnation of death. Willful, unrepentant sinners will also have their "portion" in that lake. (Revelation 21:8) They too will be annihilated forever and have Eternal Destruction. Revelation 21:8 "But for the cowardly and unbelieving and abominable and murderers and immoral persons and sorcerers and idolaters and all liars, their part will be in the lake that burns with fire and brimstone... Will you surrender to will of the father in heaven and submit to the son? will you believe? will you pay Ransom for your life? This are the question... you refuse and you finish into the lake of purification and baptizing of the soul by fire... gone for ever with no way to return. since you shall



be rendered ashes and not one little peace of your bones and skulls will survive this terrible wrath awaiting the blind and dumb unbelievers... I pity them and I wished it could be other way... but they don't believe in the power the son received from his father in heaven. It's really your choice... its your freewill who decides over your future. believe or unbelieving... the question. Last Edited by Gogh on 09/29/2011 04:05 PM Gogh User ID: 1516975

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Or did they all end up in hell? Was the first person to accept JC as their savior the first person in heaven? Quoting: Anonymous Coward 1154162 What happens after the loss of the physical vehicle is poorly understood as well as what heaven is. For a time before the advent of Jesus and after the Lucifer Rebellion, any earthling who passed thru the process of death was detained; not allowed to leave to continue the ascent to paradise and was put in a state of sleep (stasis) if we can call it that, waiting for a dispensational resurrection in which survivals were to be awaken in what we call the first heaven(The First Mansion World). Your bodies don't resurrect; another misunderstanding. You can't take the physical body to heaven. Heaven are architectural spheres created to order and serve a specific function and you require a different type of physical vessel suited for heaven. Read the Urantia Book to find more info. You don't have to believe in any teacher or master to survive physical death or to go to heaven. God is within you. You are your own savior nor can anyone take responsibilities for your own errors or sins. Quoting: tava6655 1062809 From paradise you can travel to heaven and visit other worlds by the stairways to heaven... To do this and survive the voyage one must drink from the fountain of youth otherwise he will not make to his destination which is some times many light years away... Heaven is everything we see above our head... It contains Moons, Planets, Suns, stars, solars systems, milky ways, galaxies, universes... Hell is a terrible place of punishment... Paradise is our world transformed to a beautiful garden where all man and beast live in harmony and peace... Last Edited by Gogh on 09/29/2011 04:52 PM





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Im really surprised about all you so called believer's and how little you know ... ask yourself this , is there not a judgment day where people either go to heaven or go to hell ... is the above answer yes..? If so then you should understand there is no one in heaven or hell at the moment till after judgement day ... the bible says they are actually asleep in the grave's but i think as god warned us to stay away from the occult etc , this is why this is said , ... i actually think they are in the spirit world ... there is evidence for this in the bible to .. it says after judgement day iff you are cast to hell then this is your second death ... so obviously when you die you get your second life ....judgement day is weather you get to carry on that second life or go to hell and have the second death ... It's actually frightning how many so called believers are on here and no very little of heaven and hell , and all i hear is crap like yes there in HEAVEN PEACE TO THEM ETC ... Come on guys read your bible , just going church aint gona do anything .... Quoting: jonnie five jee i told you all about it you glaze over my post and continue to talk complete shit ... freeking

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Quoting: jonnie five My understanding is only angels are in heaven. We will be part of the new earth not heaven. Nobody in Particular the Age of Confusion is Fully Manifest. User ID: 2230535


Im really surprised about all you so called believer's and how little you know ... ask yourself this , is there not a judgment day where people either go to heaven or go to hell ... is the above answer yes..? If so then you should understand there is no one in heaven or hell at the moment till after judgement day ... t. Quoting: jonnie five

Quoting: jonnie five My understanding is only angels are in heaven. We will be part of the new earth not heaven. Quoting: Shephardi well your understanding is wrong. YOU ONES HAVE NO CONCEPT OF ETERNAL LIFE AND WHY IS THAT? I DON'T KNOW, BUT PUT ON YOUR MIND AND IMAGINE A BIT. YOUR BIBLE DOES TELL YOU, THAT YOU BECOME LIKE THE ANGELS! NOW GOD IN YOUR BIBLE PROMISED YOU THE WORD AGAIN AT THE END OF THIS AGE. IT IS TIME TO THROW AWAY THESE COMPLETELY SILLY BELIEFS DEAR ONES AND LEARN THE TRUTH. WHAT DO YOU DO FOR ETERNITY? I WOULD MYSELF BE A FEW HUNDRED THOUSANDS OF YEARS OLD AT LEAST BY EARTH MEASUREMENTS. I AM HERE ON A VOLUNTARY INCARNATIONAL ASSIGNMENT AND MY SOUL CAME FROM A EVOLUTIONARY PLANET SIMILAR TO THIS ONE, AND I HAVE LIVED IN HEAVEN FOR A VERY LONG TIME AND I STILL LIVE IN HEAVEN. I HAVE STARTED THREADS ON THIS BEFORE WHICH GO NO PLACE. MAYBE IT'S TIME FOR ANOTHER. WHAT DO YOU DO FOR THE TRILLIONS OF

YEARS OF ETERNITY?



PS the WORD promised has been given in the Phoenix JOuranls and the Urantia Book, Last Edited by Nobody in Particular on 09/29/2011 08:12 PM Biochemky User ID: 2320765


Or did they all end up in hell? Was the first person to accept JC as their savior the first person in heaven? Quoting: Anonymous Coward 1154162 No one has ascended yet to Heaven except the risen Christ. Three men have been translated. And no man hath ascended up to heaven, but he that came down from heaven, even the Son of man which is in heaven. (John 3:13) The three men who have been translated are Enoch, Elijah, and Moses. And Enoch walked with God: and he was not; for God took him. (Genesis 5:24) And it came to pass, when the LORD would take up Elijah into heaven by a whirlwind, that Elijah went with Elisha from Gilgal. (2 Kings 2:1) Moses did die and was buried in the land of Moab. However he later appeared with Elijah (who had been translated) at Christ's Transfiguration. And, behold, there appeared unto them Moses and Elias talking with him. (Matthew 17:4) There were also those who were dead and whose tombs were opened when Chist died on the cross. There was a great earthquake and they did leave the grave. And, behold, the veil of the temple was rent in twain from the top to the bottom; and the earth did quake, and the rocks rent; and the graves were opened; and many bodies of the saints which slept arose, and came out of the graves after his resurrection, and went into the holy city, and appeared unto many. (Matthew 27:51-53) All others are asleep in their graves until Jesus returns. For the living know that they shall die: but the dead know not any thing, neither have they any more a reward; for the memory of them is forgotten. (Ecclesiastes 9:5) And many of those who sleep in the dust of the earth shall awake, some to everlasting life, and some to shame and everlasting contempt. (Daniel 12:2)




For the Lord himself shall descend from heaven with a shout, with the voice of the archangel, and with the trump of God: and the dead in Christ shall rise first. (1 Thessalonians 4:16) Last Edited by Biochemky on 09/29/2011 08:21 PM Anonymous Coward User ID: 2327973

United States 09/29/2011 08:21 PM If you deny Christ then you deny God the Father that sent him. Quoting: S.O.S.: This is True: But the "Christ" you speak of, is the "Light within"........NOT the Man Jesus! A correct interpretation is EVERYTHING! Quoting: ObeWayneKenobe No. He is not speaking of the New Age lies that millions have been deceived by. The Man and Savior, Jesus Christ is the ONLY way to eternal life, the ONLY way to the Father. Those who attempt to twist this beautiful truth will find out all too late just how offensive their words have been to the Almighty Creator who gave His only Son to save the world from ruin. "I am the Way, the Truth, and the Life. No man cometh unto the Father, except by Me." John 14:6 I must decrease. He must increase. Quoting: A Voice In The Wilderness But yet you say the relationship with God ends when we die? We lie dead in the grave for thousands of years totally separated from God and everything? That doesn't make sense. Why would God want to disconnect the relationship? Why do you wish to interpret the Bible that way? Anonymous Coward User ID: 2327973

United States 09/29/2011 08:25 PM Or did they all end up in hell? Was the first person to accept JC as their savior the first person in heaven? Quoting: Anonymous Coward 1154162 no one is in heaven or hell till after the judgement. Quoting: 714



Hell is total separation from God some say. So in effect you are saying we are all going to Hell after we die, since we will be totally out of contact with God. Nobody in Particular the Age of Confusion is Fully Manifest. User ID: 2230535


Or did they all end up in hell? Was the first person to accept JC as their savior the first person in heaven? Quoting: Anonymous Coward 1154162 No one has ascended yet to Heaven except the risen Christ. Three men have been translated. And no man hath ascended up to heaven, but he that came down from heaven, even the Son of man which is in heaven. (John 3:13) The three men who have been translated are Enoch, Elijah, and Moses. And Enoch walked with God: and he was not; for God took him. (Genesis 5:24) And it came to pass, when the LORD would take up Elijah into heaven by a whirlwind, that Elijah went with Elisha from Gilgal. (2 Kings 2:1) Moses did die and was buried in the land of Moab. However he later appeared with Elijah (who had been translated) at Christ's Transfiguration. And, behold, there appeared unto them Moses and Elias talking with him. (Matthew 17:4) There were also those who were dead and whose tombs were opened when Chist died on the cross. There was a great earthquake and they did leave the grave. And, behold, the veil of the temple was rent in twain from the top to the bottom; and the earth did quake, and the rocks rent; and the graves were opened; and many bodies of the saints which slept arose, and came out of the graves after his resurrection, and went into the holy city, and appeared unto many. (Matthew 27:51-53) All others are asleep in their graves until Jesus returns. For the living know that they shall die: but the dead know not any thing, neither have they any



more a reward; for the memory of them is forgotten. (Ecclesiastes 9:5) And many of those who sleep in the dust of the earth shall awake, some to everlasting life, and some to shame and everlasting contempt. (Daniel 12:2) For the Lord himself shall descend from heaven with a shout, with the voice of the archangel, and with the trump of God: and the dead in Christ shall rise first. (1 Thessalonians 4:16) Quoting: Biochemky BALONEY BELOVED, BALONEY. do you mean just earth or in trillions of years of the creation from 5.6 trillion evolutionary planets. EXPAND your concept of God. I am FROM PARADISE , the HIGHEST HEAVEN. The central of the Creation and I ascended to there over my long eternal life to date. I am a graduate of that place. Please go back and find my post in this thread, which has the video's to watch. You do not understand ascension. Go back and red the rest of my posts while you are at it, because I am a teacher of the WHAT IS, because I have been there and done that. whether yea like of it or not, AbundantHOpe IS the 2nd Coming Organization providing the teaching after the end of the Phoenix Journal and the Spectrum News. We are interfacing with the UB and this organization which I chair the ground crew portion IS a partnership with the beings that were Jesus. They are here and I know them very personally. I attend meetings on craft as part of the planning team often. I KNOW OF WHAT I SPEAk. you were promised the word in the end times. the Urantia Book, the Phoenix Journals, www. wisdomoftherays.com and my website and team are that WORD. We are in fact the current WORD. ObeWayneKenobe User ID: 1330622


I can tell you what is written in the Torah or The Koran... no problem... they all tell the same story... evil finish in the fire... Quoting: Gogh Sure, cause the Torah, and the Koran; are BOTH as Tampered with as your Bible! :(

It's really your choice... its your freewill who decides over your future. believe or unbelieving... the question. Quoting: Gogh Belief has NOTHING to do with it! For Truth will continue to be truth, whether you believe in it or not!!! Last Edited by ObeWayneKenobe on 09/30/2011 01:14 AM Gogh User ID: 1516975

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Im really surprised about all you so called believer's and how little you know ... ask yourself this , is there not a judgment day where people either go to heaven or go to hell ... is the above answer yes..? If so then you should understand there is no one in heaven or hell at the moment till after judgement day ... t. Quoting: jonnie five

Quoting: jonnie five My understanding is only angels are in heaven. We will be part of the new earth not heaven. Quoting: Shephardi well your understanding is wrong. YOU ONES HAVE NO CONCEPT OF ETERNAL LIFE AND WHY IS THAT? I DON'T KNOW, BUT PUT ON YOUR MIND AND IMAGINE A BIT. YOUR BIBLE DOES TELL YOU, THAT YOU BECOME LIKE THE ANGELS! NOW GOD IN YOUR BIBLE PROMISED YOU THE WORD AGAIN AT THE END OF THIS AGE. IT IS TIME TO THROW AWAY THESE COMPLETELY SILLY BELIEFS DEAR ONES AND LEARN THE TRUTH. WHAT DO YOU DO FOR ETERNITY? I WOULD MYSELF BE A FEW HUNDRED THOUSANDS OF YEARS OLD AT LEAST BY EARTH MEASUREMENTS. I AM HERE ON A VOLUNTARY INCARNATIONAL ASSIGNMENT AND MY SOUL CAME FROM A EVOLUTIONARY PLANET SIMILAR TO THIS ONE, AND I HAVE LIVED IN HEAVEN FOR A VERY LONG TIME AND I STILL LIVE IN HEAVEN. I HAVE STARTED THREADS ON THIS BEFORE WHICH GO NO PLACE. MAYBE IT'S TIME FOR ANOTHER. WHAT DO YOU DO FOR THE TRILLIONS OF

YEARS OF ETERNITY? PS the WORD promised has been given in the Phoenix JOuranls and the Urantia Book, Quoting: Nobody in Particular You are in prison now... as we all are rebel prisoners. Earth a prison world under embargo of Havona worlds...(why we can't go to space now) to go to Heaven one must have Long Life... otherwise he is stuck here for eternity and would never make it to his destination.


Go to heaven means that we will have the opportunity to travel to other worlds, if that is our wish of course, and people of other worlds will also be able to visit our planet too, and they will be welcome... In the Urantia book is explained how tourist from outer space will be visit this world longtime after jesus will gone. They all want to know everything about a very special man that was born here on this world and who liberated us and heaven from all evil with his example... after this world was liberated and purified by fire, many other worlds followed up the example of Jesus... The Man who led a universal revolution with his deeds against the most evil forces heaven ever has know... Our Jesus is not a superhero here alone, No HE is a Universal hero... thanks to him we will have many visitors wanting to come study the life of jesus and visit the places where jesus spend his time here on earth... People remember I speak truth... and people who have read the urantia book, know that this fact are written there in... But remember there yet no book found which contain only truth but truth... Such book was hidden by the ancestor of jesus and jesus will find it... and share with us the facts and the lies. So people... here you have it... it's really up to you... You are for Jesus Or You are against Jesus... it's your choice which direction you want to go to... you can go to heaven or the lake of fire... it's your choice... surrender Now or die later is the message...

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Or did they all end up in hell? Was the first person to accept JC as their savior the first person in heaven? Quoting: Anonymous Coward 1154162 No one has ascended yet to Heaven except the risen Christ. Three men have been translated.



And no man hath ascended up to heaven, but he that came down from heaven, even the Son of man which is in heaven. (John 3:13) The three men who have been translated are Enoch, Elijah, and Moses. And Enoch walked with God: and he was not; for God took him. (Genesis 5:24) And it came to pass, when the LORD would take up Elijah into heaven by a whirlwind, that Elijah went with Elisha from Gilgal. (2 Kings 2:1) Moses did die and was buried in the land of Moab. However he later appeared with Elijah (who had been translated) at Christ's Transfiguration. And, behold, there appeared unto them Moses and Elias talking with him. (Matthew 17:4) There were also those who were dead and whose tombs were opened when Chist died on the cross. There was a great earthquake and they did leave the grave. And, behold, the veil of the temple was rent in twain from the top to the bottom; and the earth did quake, and the rocks rent; and the graves were opened; and many bodies of the saints which slept arose, and came out of the graves after his resurrection, and went into the holy city, and appeared unto many. (Matthew 27:51-53) All others are asleep in their graves until Jesus returns. For the living know that they shall die: but the dead know not any thing, neither have they any more a reward; for the memory of them is forgotten. (Ecclesiastes 9:5) And many of those who sleep in the dust of the earth shall awake, some to everlasting life, and some to shame and everlasting contempt. (Daniel 12:2) For the Lord himself shall descend from heaven with a shout, with the voice of the archangel, and with the trump of God: and the dead in Christ shall rise first. (1 Thessalonians 4:16) Quoting: Biochemky BALONEY BELOVED, BALONEY. do you mean just earth or in trillions of years of the creation from 5.6 trillion evolutionary planets. EXPAND your concept of God. I am FROM PARADISE , the HIGHEST HEAVEN. The central of the Creation and I ascended to there over my long eternal life to date. I am a graduate of that place. Please go back and find my post in this thread, which has the video's to watch. You do not understand ascension. Go back and red the rest of my posts while you are at it, because I am a teacher of the WHAT IS, because I have been there and done that. whether yea like of it or not, AbundantHOpe IS the 2nd Coming Organization providing the teaching after the end of the Phoenix Journal and the Spectrum News. We are interfacing with the UB and this organization which I chair the ground crew portion IS a partnership with the beings that were Jesus. They are here and I know them very personally. I attend meetings on craft as part of the planning team often. I KNOW OF WHAT I SPEAk. you were promised the word in the end times. the Urantia Book, the Phoenix Journals, www. wisdomoftherays.com and my website and team are that WORD. We are in fact the current WORD. Quoting: Nobody in Particular


They are deceivers those who you attend in the meetings... the door is Jesus alone... the rest are liars paid to mislead you... Time to Wake Up... Gogh User ID: 1516975

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It's really your choice... its your freewill who decides over your future. believe or unbelieving... the question. Quoting: Gogh Belief has NOTHING to do with it! For Truth will continue to be truth, whether you believe in it or not!!! Quoting: ObeWayneKenobe The Torah is not Tampered with... and word by word it will be finalized... Hashem/Hassan/Hoasanna gave the Torah to Moses, but did not convey to him all His wisdom... Truth is 1000 years ago the three books Torah-Gospels-Koran made part of one Book... it's only after they killed/burned the Grand Master De Molay that they decide to separate the holy book in three and developed false maps with a false holly locations... and they made three religions of one book... but the three books are one... and there is only One who comes to save this world from illusions and lies... The true Glorious Land is Marked with two pillars which no man can destroy... The Key lays at the Pillars. http://youtu.be/CGQ2g4An7t0 No they don't know that the Twin Pillars mark the true Holly Glorious Light land forever and ever... and it's not a phallus they worshiped as this rap singers think... And two Pillars are left there by Moses, they are 12 pillars in total... and Not King Solomon. Nobody in Particular the Age of Confusion is Fully Manifest. User ID: 2230535



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It's really your choice... its your freewill who decides over your future. believe or unbelieving... the question. Quoting: Gogh Belief has NOTHING to do with it! For Truth will continue to be truth, whether you believe in it or not!!! Quoting: ObeWayneKenobe The Torah is not Tampered with... and word by word it will be finalized... Hashem/Hassan/Hoasanna gave the Torah to Moses, but did not convey to him all His wisdom... Truth is 1000 years ago the three books Torah-Gospels-Koran made part of one Book... it's only after they killed/burned the Grand Master De Molay that they decide to separate the holy book in three and developed false maps with a false holly locations... and they made three religions of one book... but the three books are one... and there is only One who comes to save this world from illusions and lies... The true Glorious Land is Marked with two pillars which no man can destroy... The Key lays at the Pillars. No they don't know that the Twin Pillars mark the true Holly Glorious Light land forever and ever... and it's not a phallus they worshiped as this rap singers think... And two Pillars are left there by Moses, they are 12 pillars in total... and Not King Solomon. Quoting: Gogh Gogh, put on your mind, this is to become the age of reason.


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United States 09/30/2011 08:07 AM Or did they all end up in hell? Was the first person to accept JC as their savior the first person in heaven? Quoting: Anonymous Coward 1154162 They were saved by Yah's Grace ... it's not some new testament invention like churchianity teaches All were saved by grace - abraham, lot, noah, enoch ETC GEN 6:8 But Noah found grace in the eyes of the LORD. Irishkraut User ID: 863287

United States 09/30/2011 08:13 AM Or did they all end up in hell? Was the first person to accept JC as their savior the first person in heaven? Quoting: Anonymous Coward 1154162




the concept of an eternal barbecue is a lie the second resurrection is when Yahshua returns those that died from His resurrection to now It happens at the LAST DAY John 6:44, No man can come to me, except the Father which hath sent me draw him: and I will raise him up at the last day. these were those that died in OT and were raised at the cross the holy city is Yahweh's house not the cursed land we know Matthew 27:53 And came out of the graves after his resurrection, and went into the holy city, and appeared unto many Clownkiller User ID: 2265452

United States 09/30/2011 08:36 AM Thank you for your ignorant response. Animal sacrifices and incense burning for sins. Anonymous Coward User ID: 1561621

United States 09/30/2011 08:50 AM Or did they all end up in hell? Was the first person to accept JC as their savior the first person in heaven? Quoting: Anonymous Coward 1154162 You have to go and look at the old testament in the bible. The ancient egyptians taught the same thing Jesus taught. You also have to research ancient egyptian rituals its the same thing Jesus taught in the bible. Christ is a way of life and in order to achieve Christhood which every human should be trying to do you have to balance your mind, body, and soul. All three have to come together in unison. For your mind you have to raise your perspective on life which also means you have to read a lot of history and the bible. Its like life is a big puzzle and you have to put the pieces together. Also, you cant give into fear, anger, hate or guilt. I recommend a book called Step into the light by Peter Martinez. For your body you have to go vegetarian and drink only water (natural organic earth foods) then you have to to pray and meditate and the meditation is key to everything because it will center your mind body and soul. Thats basically the key to salvation and that will raise your vibration. Yes your body will begin to vibrate. Also, Jesus was an indigo child and in the bible they refer to them as the children of the light or the second coming.



Remember in the bible there are a lot of ascended masters who had the same ability as Jesus. Its just Jesus transformed himself and he was our example to follow. If Jesus can do it so can we. : ) Gogh User ID: 1516975

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http://youtu.be/xMzmQRqNgL4 Then said Jesus, Father, forgive them; for they know not what they do . And they parted his raiment, and cast lots (Luke 23:34). (2) And Jesus said unto him, Verily I say unto thee, Today thou shalt be with me in paradise (Luke 23:43). The repentant thief was rewarded with the promise of paradise. (3) When Jesus therefore saw his mother, and the disciple standing by, whom he loved, he saith unto his mother, Woman, behold thy son ! Then saith he to the disciple, Behold thy mother ! And from that hour that disciple took her unto his own home (John 19:26-27). (4) And about the ninth hour Jesus cried with a loud voice, saying, Eli, Eli, lama sabachthani? that is to say, Ali(High one), Ali, Ali I Am a Mesbahiyan/Macabee(Matthew 27:46) (5) After this, Jesus knowing that all things were now accomplished, that the Scripture might be fulfilled, saith, I thirst(for truth) (John 19:28). (6) When Jesus therefore had received the vinegar, He said, It is finished ! and He bowed His head, and gave up the ghost. (John 19:30). Jesus last words meant that His suffering was finished, He had paid the sin debt in full it was done, accomplished, fulfilled. (7) And when Jesus had cried with a loud voice, he said, Father, into thy hands I commend my spirit : and having said thus, he gave up the ghost (Luke 23:46). Jesus offers His Spirit to the Father and He accepts the sacrifice. Let us pray that all may appreciate the sacrifices as a precious gift given by a Loving God Gogh User ID: 1516975

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Then said Jesus, Father, forgive them; for they know not what they do . And they parted his raiment, and cast lots (Luke 23:34). (2) And Jesus said unto him, Verily I say unto thee, Today thou shalt be with me in paradise (Luke 23:43). The repentant thief was rewarded with the promise of paradise. (3) When Jesus therefore saw his mother, and the disciple standing by, whom he loved, he saith unto his mother, Woman, behold thy son ! Then saith he to the disciple, Behold thy mother ! And from that hour that disciple took her unto his own home (John 19:26-27). (4) And about the ninth hour Jesus cried with a loud voice, saying, Eli, Eli, lama sabachthani? that is to say, Ali(High one), Ali, Ali I Am a Mesbahiyan/Macabee(Matthew 27:46) (5) After this, Jesus knowing that all things were now accomplished, that the Scripture might be fulfilled, saith, I thirst(for truth) (John 19:28). (6) When Jesus therefore had received the vinegar, He said, It is finished ! and He bowed His head, and gave up the ghost. (John 19:30). Jesus last words meant that His suffering was finished, He had paid the sin debt in full it was done, accomplished, fulfilled. (7) And when Jesus had cried with a loud voice, he said, Father, into thy hands I commend my spirit : and having said thus, he gave up the ghost (Luke 23:46). Jesus offers His Spirit to the Father and He accepts the sacrifice. Let us pray that all may appreciate the sacrifices as a precious gift given by a Loving God Quoting: Gogh gogh, please go and read of the TRUTH as told by Jesus himself here. He did not die on that cross, and no murder attempt on that great man was of a loving God, nor does any murder pay any sin debt. IF such a debt had been paid, the world would not so full of sin now. dear one, PUT ON YOUR MIND, or you will not be able to join the coming AGE OF REASON. AS I posted, the bible is written by man, it's mostly hearsay. And over 2000 years a lot of that hearsay has become gossip. You are not knowing of God and the creation. And everytime you and others post such ugly video's, you celebrate the torture of god. edit, I forgot the LINKY. [link to tweeofmeer.webs.com] you can also learn something on this easy to read site. [link to www.wisdomoftherays.com]

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Then said Jesus, Father, forgive them; for they know not what they do . And they parted his raiment, and cast lots (Luke 23:34). (2) And Jesus said unto him, Verily I say unto thee, Today thou shalt be with me in paradise (Luke 23:43). The repentant thief was rewarded with the promise of paradise. (3) When Jesus therefore saw his mother, and the disciple standing by, whom he loved, he saith unto his mother, Woman, behold thy son ! Then saith he to the disciple, Behold thy mother ! And from that hour that disciple took her unto his own home (John 19:26-27). (4) And about the ninth hour Jesus cried with a loud voice, saying, Eli, Eli, lama sabachthani? that is to say, Ali(High one), Ali, Ali I Am a Mesbahiyan/Macabee(Matthew 27:46) (5) After this, Jesus knowing that all things were now accomplished, that the Scripture might be fulfilled, saith, I thirst(for truth) (John 19:28). (6) When Jesus therefore had received the vinegar, He said, It is finished ! and He bowed His head, and gave up the ghost. (John 19:30). Jesus last words meant that His suffering was finished, He had paid the sin debt in full it was done, accomplished, fulfilled. (7) And when Jesus had cried with a loud voice, he said, Father, into thy hands I commend my spirit : and having said thus, he gave up the ghost (Luke 23:46). Jesus offers His Spirit to the Father and He accepts the sacrifice. Let us pray that all may appreciate the sacrifices as a precious gift given by a Loving God Quoting: Gogh gogh, please go and read of the TRUTH as told by Jesus himself here. He did not die on that cross, and no murder attempt on that great man was of a loving God, nor does any murder pay any sin debt. IF such a debt had been paid, the world would not so full of sin now. dear one, PUT ON YOUR MIND, or you will not be able to join the coming AGE OF REASON. AS I posted, the bible is written by man, it's mostly hearsay. And over 2000 years a lot of that hearsay has become




gossip. You are not knowing of God and the creation. edit, I forgot the LINKY. [link to tweeofmeer.webs.com] you can also learn something on this easy to read site. [link to www.wisdomoftherays.com] Quoting: Nobody in Particular Who said that Jesus died on that cross, its a metaphor as is most of what is written in the Gospels, all metaphors of the truth... Jesus fulfilled his mission... remember his sin is the burning of all evil on planet earth... maybe two billion of people or more were/are thrown into the lake of fire... and than he went you up to the sky, while the rest that survived the wrath and repented entered Paradise. As he had promised to the repent thieve. repent and you will enter paradise... it's repent to the son and pay ransom for your live or you all will be rendered to ashes. Btw there never was a jesus 2000 years ago... it's man as Moses who must return and such a man hasn't been around for 3600 years, since Moses... that's what is called the second cometh... in the exodus, it's when Moses came back with the tablets of the laws he received from ALIHSAN... Sure he was very angry with what he saw when he was back... even with Aaron. While Moses was receiving the Ten Commandments and the book of the covenant, the people compelled Aaron to build a golden calf, and he "built an altar before it" (Ex.32:1–5) and the people "worshipped" the calf. (Ex.32:6–8) After full forty days, Moses came down from the mountain with ALIHSAN, with the Ten Commandments: "And it came to pass, as soon as he came nigh unto the camp, that he saw the calf, and the dancing: and Moses‘ anger waxed hot, and he cast the tables out of his hands, and brake them beneath the mount." (Ex.32:19) After the events in chapters 32 and 33, the Lord told Moses, "Hew thee two tables of stone like unto the first: and I will write upon these tables(Pillars-twin pillars) the words that were in the first tables, which thou brakest." (Ex.34:1) "When Moses came back to his people, angry and grieved, he said: 'Evil it is that ye have done in my place in my absence: did ye make haste to bring on the judgment of your Lord?' He put down the tablets, seized his brother by his head, and dragged him to him..." (Quran 7:150). "When the anger of Moses was appeased, he took up the tablets: in the writing thereon was guidance and Mercy for such as fear their Lord." (Quran 7:154). Jesus Fulfilled his mission... He Cast all evil in the lake of fire... Even death shall be cast into hell that was prepared for them. ObeWayneKenobe User ID: 1330622


I can tell you what is written in the Torah or The Koran... no problem... they all tell the same story... evil finish in the fire...


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Quoting: Gogh Sure, cause the Torah, and the Koran; are BOTH as Tampered with as your Bible! :(

It's really your choice... its your freewill who decides over your future. believe or unbelieving... the question. Quoting: Gogh Belief has NOTHING to do with it! For Truth will continue to be truth, whether you believe in it or not!!! Quoting: ObeWayneKenobe The Torah is not Tampered with... and word by word it will be finalized... Hashem/Hassan/Hoasanna gave the Torah to Moses, but did not convey to him all His wisdom... Truth is 1000 years ago the three books Torah-Gospels-Koran made part of one Book... it's only after they killed/burned the Grand Master De Molay that they decide to separate the holy book in three and developed false maps with a false holly locations... and they made three religions of one book... but the three books are one... and there is only One who comes to save this world from illusions and lies... The true Glorious Land is Marked with two pillars which no man can destroy... The Key lays at the Pillars. No they don't know that the Twin Pillars mark the true Holly Glorious Light land forever and ever... and it's not a phallus they worshiped as this rap singers think... And two Pillars are left there by Moses, they are 12 pillars in total... and Not King Solomon. Quoting: Gogh You spout History(His Story) as if you were there.......which of course you were NOT! So good luck with your "War mongering & blood thirsty" worship! :( But you should also be made aware that: "Those who live by the sword, shall surely also die by

the sword!" Last Edited by ObeWayneKenobe on 09/30/2011 12:25 PM Gogh User ID: 1516975

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It's really your choice... its your freewill who decides over your future. believe or unbelieving... the question. Quoting: Gogh Belief has NOTHING to do with it! For Truth will continue to be truth, whether you believe in it or not!!! Quoting: ObeWayneKenobe The Torah is not Tampered with... and word by word it will be finalized... Hashem/Hassan/Hoasanna gave the Torah to Moses, but did not convey to him all His wisdom... Truth is 1000 years ago the three books Torah-Gospels-Koran made part of one Book... it's only after they killed/burned the Grand Master De Molay that they decide to separate the holy book in three and developed false maps with a false holly locations... and they made three religions of one book... but the three books are one... and there is only One who comes to save this world from illusions and lies... The true Glorious Land is Marked with two pillars which no man can destroy... The Key lays at the Pillars. No they don't know that the Twin Pillars mark the true Holly Glorious Light land forever and ever... and it's not a phallus they worshiped as this rap singers think... And two Pillars are left there by Moses, they are 12 pillars in total... and Not King Solomon. Quoting: Gogh You spout History(His Story) as if you were there.......which of course you were NOT! So good luck with your "War mongering & blood thirsty" worship! :( But you should also be made aware that: "Those who live by the sword, shall surely also die

by the sword!" Quoting: ObeWayneKenobe

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I am the sword... Quoting: Gogh Yes you are! Your Adversary has a fine tool, in you! :( P.S...I'm sorry to have to be the one to tell you this: But YOU are already "fodder for Satan" if you believe that you have to "fight a warfare, for God"! For God has NO need for "warfare"......for evil ALWAYS flees the presents of God! What you have: is a situation where your Adversary has convinced you that he is the Good, and that you need to battle for him........and THAT is exactly how your Adversary works! Each Bad, THINKS that IT is the Good.....and thus it wars against itself, until destruction is accomplished! For Evil, ALWAYS destroys itself! My God, has NO need of warfare........but YOURS does! Consider THAT most carefully! Last Edited by ObeWayneKenobe on 09/30/2011 01:04 PM Gogh User ID: 1516975

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I am the sword... Quoting: Gogh Yes you are! Your Adversary has a fine tool, in you! :( P.S...I'm sorry to have to be the one to tell you this: But YOU are already "fodder for Satan" if you





believe that you have to "fight a warfare, for God"! For God has NO need for "warfare"......for evil ALWAYS flees the presents of God! What you have: is a situation where your Adversary has convinced you that he is the Good, and that you need to battle for him........and THAT is exactly how your Adversary works! Each Bad, THINKS that IT is the Good.....and thus it wars against itself, until destruction is accomplished! For Evil, ALWAYS destroys itself! My God, has NO need of warfare........but YOURS does! Consider THAT most carefully! Quoting: ObeWayneKenobe I am a THREAT to my enemy! rb User ID: 907623

United States 09/30/2011 01:17 PM good question but always remember we live in grace RIGHT NOW and today is the day of salvation! we each of us have a choice to make TODAY!! we live in a blessed era :-) instead of worrying too much about vague people back when and way over there we can make our individual decision right now. and then as we choose Jesus we preach the gospel and make disciples ;-) we can point the way to real people right in our own communities ;-) love rb ObeWayneKenobe User ID: 1330622


I am a THREAT to my enemy! Quoting: Gogh Really? Cause I have NO enemies! lol Anonymous Coward User ID: 1468685

United States 09/30/2011 03:50 PM ... No one goes to heaven or 'hell' when they die. The Bible is clear that when we die, we wait for judgement in our graves.



Ecclesiastes 9 Quoting: A Voice In The Wilderness Well said. According to the Bible there is the Kingdom of God and Lake of Fire. Both don't come into play until after judgement day. Quoting: whoopdeedoo Why then did Jesus tell the thief on the cross he would be with him taoday in paradise. Is paradise a place other than heaven.? Quoting: Anonymous Coward 1642343 Actually, that's not what Jesus said. That verse has been commonly misunderstood for centuries. The problem is with the punctuation. Up until the 3rd century AD, punctuation was not used in the Scriptures. The KJV mistakenly put a comma where there was no pause or any other kind of punctuation mark in Jesus' statement. Correctly, Mark 23:43 reads as follow: "And Jesus said to him, 'Assuredly, I say to you today, you will be with Me in Paradise.'" Notice where the comma is. God bless. Quoting: A Voice In The Wilderness Don't you mean the whole bible has been misunderstood for centuries? It's a fiction book. It's no more real than The Lord of the Rings. Gogh User ID: 1516975

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I am a THREAT to my enemy! Quoting: Gogh Really? Cause I have NO enemies! lol Quoting: ObeWayneKenobe



You certainly may finish in the lake of fire... So tell me why do you fear the lord Your God? http://youtu.be/LcSh1vwMksk Gogh User ID: 1516975

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You certainly may finish in the lake of fire... Quoting: Gogh: Well I certainly would, if YOU were MY Judge........but since you are NOT, I'll Trust in MY God!

So tell me why do you fear the lord Your God? Quoting: Gogh: Perfect Love casts out ALL fear......so why would I fear? THAT seems more like something YOU would spread! LOL :(

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You certainly may finish in the lake of fire... Quoting: Gogh: Well I certainly would, if YOU were MY Judge........but since you are NOT, I'll Trust in MY God! LOL :( Quoting: ObeWayneKenobe But I AM THE LAW... http://youtu.be/BAUhytdb_eg Gogh User ID: 1516975

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So tell me why do you fear the lord Your God? Quoting: Gogh: Perfect Love casts out ALL fear......so why would I fear? THAT seems more like something YOU would spread! LOL :( Quoting: Gogh: And who is your God? what is his Name? and that of his son? Don't deceive yourself... the only god you may have is the devil... So you don't have a GOD... My God is my ancestor and I know him by name and I call him My Father My Lord Hassan... BA SIDI ALIHSAN. So certainly we don't share the same GOD... why do you fear the GOD who wrote the Torah, the gospels & the Koran? Anonymous Coward User ID: 1277004

United States 09/30/2011 06:26 PM Easy, Thor was at the door! Nobody in Particular the Age of Confusion is Fully Manifest. User ID: 2230535


So tell me why do you fear the lord Your God? Quoting: Gogh: Perfect Love casts out ALL fear......so why would I fear? THAT seems more like something YOU would spread! LOL :( Quoting: Gogh: And who is your God? what is his Name? and that of his son? Don't deceive yourself... the only god you may have is the devil... So you don't have a GOD... My God is my ancestor and I know him by name and I call him My Father My Lord Hassan... BA SIDI ALIHSAN.



So certainly we don't share the same GOD... why do you fear the GOD who wrote the Torah, the gospels & the Koran? Quoting: ObeWayneKenobe Gogh there is only ONE GOD, who is the Father of the creation. everyone else is his sons and daughters, including MIchaell of Nebadon. it is YOU that does not understand God or Jesus. It's very clear you do not. Not that it matters, to each his own, except I won't tolerate the hell fire shit out of anybody, because it is not true, you do not lead just one life and heaven is completely misunderstood as is eternal life on this planet. You ones are tools for the dark operatives. And what happened thousands of years ago is not relevant today at all. What is relevant is the condition this planet is in, and its in this condition because people do not know God. You Christians have not booted the antichrist out of office in my country, you have not exposed 911, you have allowed genocide of your brothers and sisters called Muslims in the Middle east, I can get the current exact figures. because there are angels that document that stuff. Last time I asked it was well over 20 million people lost in Iraq and afghanistan alone, due to war related causes. And they had NOTHING to do with 911. Where have you christians and in your mighty numbers been? NOT WALKING IN the SHOES of Jesus, believe me. as I have said the word was promised at the end of the age, it has been given, and the thugs have done everything possible to prevent it getting out. On any GOD KNOWING planet, the people call the Father, FATHER or FIRST Source or SOURCE by whatever words in their languages that mean that. He has NO NAME. Anyone who has a mind capable of thinking, Receives a fragment of the FAthers MIND to help spiritualize YOUR MIND. YOU ARE YOUR MIND, not your body. Its all but ignored on this planet because of the devil's propaganda which you spew here as well as others. You were told even in your own bible there would be liers and those very liers created the bible as it is. and they change it as they desire and mind control their ministers for whatever the dark ones want taught. that is FACT. HELL WAS NOT USED BY JESUS. the "gospels" have been rewritten. even back then. Hell was a common belief by those folks 2000 years ago and if any of those involved in writing any that still believed in Hell it was added to what Jesus taught. the bible has SOME nice stuff in it, but its the work of MAN and not GOD. And very new version is more messed up that the last. I have compared them at times past ot the KJV, the catholic version etc. Nobody understands what a lot of this means and they muck it up. I am here to give the TRUTH. you can take it or leave it, YOUR CHOICE. But you must learn to live from the HEART and to grow your real knowledge and learn to discern the shit instead of repeating around to everyone. This thread is a disgrace. All the Christian threads here on glp and everywhere else, including the major christian forums are a disgrace. And the mind control keeps you ones for living in the NOW and doing what is right and needed now, such as what I mentioned above. We never even had to go thru any tribulation but you ones have said BRING IT ON because its after in the "bible". that 7 years stuff is shit. it is not prophecy. It was made up to do what it has been so susccessful doing. GOD IN KNOWING< GOD I SLOVE< GOD IS KNOWLEGDE. GOD IS SANE also. GOD IS TRUTH. GOD is common sense. This new age is going to be the AGE OF REASON, and those that are not of heart and not reasoning get to move to other low grade planets, because we are moving this one UP. The resurrection dear on is of GAIA (known the creation as Urantia). The mother spirit of our world. She is a thinking being who has earth as her body. She is a daughter of the Holy SPirit, which is not what you ones think it is. The teacher, the comforter promised after Jesus left and was bestowed on this world, if the SPIRIT OF TRUTH, and its TRIUNE IN NATURE. Of the Father, the Son and the HOly spirt.


I does not decide what goes into the bible. Its a LIVING LIBRARY OF KNOWLEDGe that was bestowed by MIchael of Nebadon and Nebdonia, the HOly Spirit MOther goddess of Nebadon. UNTIL YOU ONES aCCEPT YOURSELVES as SONS OF GOD, you will not grow up[. That is reality. that is truth. because once you ones understand what it means to be sons of God, you will not do this shit anymore. You will want in all your heart to become LIKE THE FATHER. And the FATHER's WILL is for all his Sons and daughters to become LIKE HIM. And you will spend you life eternal doing that. Last Edited by Nobody in Particular on 09/30/2011 07:11 PM theSeachingJones User ID: 1100447


We are created by Our Creator; We are not created by religion. We are born with Wisdom; We are not born with a religious 'holy' book with instructions how to live Our Life. Our Creator aka God gave us everything we need to save Ourselves. Love is the answer, not religion(~) Nobody in Particular the Age of Confusion is Fully Manifest. User ID: 2230535


We are created by Our Creator; We are not created by religion. We are born with Wisdom; We are not born with a religious 'holy' book with instructions how to live Our Life.





Our Creator aka God gave us everything we need to save Ourselves. Love is the answer, not religion(~) Quoting: theSeachingJones




And who is your God? Quoting: Gogh: Mine is the God of Love.......NOT War!

what is his Name? Quoting: Gogh: First off: God is NOT a "he"....or a "she"! ....And God goes by MANY names(when in Truth, God is "nameless"!) But if you MUST have a label: I use Heavenly Father as mine!

and that of his son?



Quoting: Gogh: God has "Creations", not Son's........but if you must, then go ahead and call them "Sons", God doesn't mind! lol

Don't deceive yourself... the only god you may have is the devil... Quoting: Gogh: The devil was NEVER a God! Although he seems to have convinced YOU that he is YOURS! :(

So you don't have a GOD... Quoting: Gogh: Nonsense, we all have a God........even those who choose to NOT recognize of it!

My God is my ancestor and I know him by name and I call him My Father My Lord Hassan... BA SIDI ALIHSAN. Quoting: Gogh: Good for you, at least you have a Great sounding Label! :)

So certainly we don't share the same GOD... Quoting: Gogh: There is only ONE God.......but there are MANY perceptions of that One God.......not all of them True! :(

why do you fear the GOD who wrote the Torah, the gospels & the Koran? Quoting: Gogh: I do NOT.......why do YOU try to get me too? :( Shephardi User ID: 2396902

United Kingdom 09/30/2011 07:55 PM

good question but always remember we live in grace RIGHT NOW and today is the day of salvation! we each of us have a choice to make TODAY!! we live in a blessed era :-) instead of worrying too much about vague people back when and way over there we can make our individual decision right now. and then as we choose Jesus we preach the gospel and make disciples ;-) we can point the way to real people right in our own communities ;-) love rb Quoting: rb 907623 Do not see you much here these days brother. Much love to you.




Belgium 09/30/2011 08:15 PM

... Perfect Love casts out ALL fear......so why would I fear? THAT seems more like something YOU would spread! LOL :( Quoting: Gogh: And who is your God? what is his Name? and that of his son? Don't deceive yourself... the only god you may have is the devil... So you don't have a GOD... My God is my ancestor and I know him by name and I call him My Father My Lord Hassan... BA SIDI ALIHSAN. So certainly we don't share the same GOD... why do you fear the GOD who wrote the Torah, the gospels & the Koran? Quoting: ObeWayneKenobe Gogh there is only ONE GOD, who is the Father of the creation. everyone else is his sons and daughters, including MIchaell of Nebadon. it is YOU that does not understand God or Jesus. It's very clear you do not. Not that it matters, to each his own, except I won't tolerate the hell fire shit out of anybody, because it is not true, you do not lead just one life and heaven is completely misunderstood as is eternal life on this planet. You ones are tools for the dark operatives. And what happened thousands of years ago is not relevant today at all. What is relevant is the condition this planet is in, and its in this condition because people do not know God. You Christians have not booted the antichrist out of office in my country, you have not exposed 911, you have allowed genocide of your brothers and sisters called Muslims in the Middle east, I can get the current exact figures. because there are angels that document that stuff. Last time I asked it was well over 20 million people lost in Iraq and afghanistan alone, due to war related causes. And they had NOTHING to do with 911. Where have you christians and in your mighty numbers been? NOT WALKING IN the SHOES of Jesus, believe me. as I have said the word was promised at the end of the age, it has been given, and the thugs have done everything possible to prevent it getting out. On any GOD KNOWING planet, the people call the Father, FATHER or FIRST Source or SOURCE by whatever words in their languages that mean that. He has NO NAME. Anyone who has a mind capable of thinking, Receives a fragment of the FAthers MIND to help spiritualize YOUR MIND. YOU ARE YOUR MIND, not your body. Its all but ignored on this planet because of the devil's propaganda which you spew here as well as others. You were told even in your own bible there would be liers and those very liers created the bible as it is. and they change it as they desire and mind control their ministers for whatever the dark ones want taught. that is FACT.



HELL WAS NOT USED BY JESUS. the "gospels" have been rewritten. even back then. Hell was a common belief by those folks 2000 years ago and if any of those involved in writing any that still believed in Hell it was added to what Jesus taught. the bible has SOME nice stuff in it, but its the work of MAN and not GOD. And very new version is more messed up that the last. I have compared them at times past ot the KJV, the catholic version etc. Nobody understands what a lot of this means and they muck it up. I am here to give the TRUTH. you can take it or leave it, YOUR CHOICE. But you must learn to live from the HEART and to grow your real knowledge and learn to discern the shit instead of repeating around to everyone. This thread is a disgrace. All the Christian threads here on glp and everywhere else, including the major christian forums are a disgrace. And the mind control keeps you ones for living in the NOW and doing what is right and needed now, such as what I mentioned above. We never even had to go thru any tribulation but you ones have said BRING IT ON because its after in the "bible". that 7 years stuff is shit. it is not prophecy. It was made up to do what it has been so susccessful doing. GOD IN KNOWING< GOD I SLOVE< GOD IS KNOWLEGDE. GOD IS SANE also. GOD IS TRUTH. GOD is common sense. This new age is going to be the AGE OF REASON, and those that are not of heart and not reasoning get to move to other low grade planets, because we are moving this one UP. The resurrection dear on is of GAIA (known the creation as Urantia). The mother spirit of our world. She is a thinking being who has earth as her body. She is a daughter of the Holy SPirit, which is not what you ones think it is. The teacher, the comforter promised after Jesus left and was bestowed on this world, if the SPIRIT OF TRUTH, and its TRIUNE IN NATURE. Of the Father, the Son and the HOly spirt. I does not decide what goes into the bible. Its a LIVING LIBRARY OF KNOWLEDGe that was bestowed by MIchael of Nebadon and Nebdonia, the HOly Spirit MOther goddess of Nebadon. UNTIL YOU ONES aCCEPT YOURSELVES as SONS OF GOD, you will not grow up[. That is reality. that is truth. because once you ones understand what it means to be sons of God, you will not do this shit anymore. You will want in all your heart to become LIKE THE FATHER. And the FATHER's WILL is for all his Sons and daughters to become LIKE HIM. And you will spend you life eternal doing that. Quoting: Gogh people you seem all so lost to me... I don't know even where to begin without writing a hole book as a reply to what you try to say... okee I shall start with "there is only ONE GOD" right what is his name? and why does he send his son? if it was not to bring judgment on mankind for their evil deeds... everyone else is his sons and daughtersthat is not true... and than I get; it is YOU that does not understand God or Jesus. I am telling you that God has released his wrath already and you all have only one option, and that is to surrender/Islam or burn in the furnace... you can check this in all the books. I won't tolerate the hell fire shit out of anybody, because it is not true if you say its untrue than you are a unbeliever of the word... the simple truth... why do you fear judgment if you have done nothing wrong? I can continue with every word you have said... but I don't have that much time... Now lets end with Michael... Who is Michael... and what does the name Micheal mean? do you


know that? Micheal is a bloody warrior... evil fears him more than anything else... I would like to know if you know what the meaning is of the Name of Micheal... and than we can continue this discussion. Gogh User ID: 1516975

Belgium 09/30/2011 08:25 PM

And who is your God? Quoting: Gogh: Mine is the God of Love.......NOT War!

what is his Name? Quoting: Gogh: First off: God is NOT a "he"....or a "she"! ....And God goes by MANY names(when in Truth, God is "nameless"!) But if you MUST have a label: I use Heavenly Father as mine!

and that of his son? Quoting: Gogh: God has "Creations", not Son's........but if you must, then go ahead and call them "Sons", God doesn't mind! lol

Don't deceive yourself... the only god you may have is the devil... Quoting: Gogh: The devil was NEVER a God! Although he seems to have convinced YOU that he is YOURS! :(

So you don't have a GOD... Quoting: Gogh: Nonsense, we all have a God........even those who choose to NOT recognize of it!

My God is my ancestor and I know him by name and I call him My Father My Lord Hassan... BA SIDI ALIHSAN. Quoting: Gogh: Good for you, at least you have a Great sounding Label! :)

So certainly we don't share the same GOD...



Quoting: Gogh: There is only ONE God.......but there are MANY perceptions of that One God.......not all of them True! :(

why do you fear the GOD who wrote the Torah, the gospels & the Koran? Quoting: Gogh: I do NOT.......why do YOU try to get me too? :( Quoting: ObeWayneKenobe your god of love has cursed you...

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NO GOD WROTE THE TORAH, The gospels or the Quran. MAN DID. These are passed down stories of men of those times. God wrote exactly none of them. However, Michael of Nebadon, ATON, did thru his secretary write a lot of material in the Phoenix Journals, and I serve as a secretary to him and others on occassion as do several of my team members. This person you ones label "God" is terribly misunderstood on this planet. Most of those you label "GOD" are members of the spiritual hierarchy. Many have reached one with God status. The Torah is hand me down stories. God did not write those books at all. He did not write the Quran either. In fact the Sutras of the Quran were dictated from beings on a craft to Mohammed. And Modified like crazy by Man. The first books of the Old testament are rather erroneous, so this



person called God did not write them. Moses was guided by some people from a planet called Thiaoouba, which is pronounced sort of like Jehovah. Ring any bells about the LORD GOD of those days? It was PEOPLE from a craft that gave Moses well more than 10 commandments and it was not a burning bush either. Some were lost, some tablets broken. It was people from a CRAFT who spread the REED SEa for the Hebrews. It was People from a craft who feed the hebrews MANNA which is a very nutritious bread based on spelt carried by many on CRAFT. It was people on craft (not angels), who talked to what's his name before frying sodom and Gomorrah. And so on and so forth. Some of the old testament stories of sacrifice of animals to the "lord god" were in fact barbecues served to people on craft, not always the good guys either back then. In Fact FIRST SOURCE, or the Father of the creation doesn't fly in craft or go anywhere. He remains on Paradise always. GOD the FATHER of the Trinity is YOUR FATHER. ONCE YOU UNDERSTAND that and stop separating yourselves from "God", you will grow up and stop this silly stuff. YOU ARE BORN TO BECOME LIKE THE FATHER IN TIME, if you choose eternal life. What do you do during your long eternal life. I must probably be a million years old now give or take a few. I have no idea how long its been since I started my eternal journey, but it takes a LONG TIME to reach Paradise. AGAIN I placed Some videos some several pages back now, you can use the arrow to find my posts faster. GOD IS WITHIN YOU. that WHICH IS LABELED The SUPREME BEING IS all of God's sons and daughters together in the whole of the creation, who are constantly creating the supreme being thru all our experiences. The TRINITY MEMBERS are not whom you believe them to be and the Catholic church knows that, but changed the story to be the Father, HIS ONLY SON JESUS, and something that whispers sweet nothings to those that can here, the "holy spirit". NONE OF THIS IS TRUE. The father does not have only one Son. The ETERNAL SON of the TRINITY, is his FIRST begotton Son, NOT the ONLY BEGOTTEN SON. YOU, everyone one of you who can REASON and plan ahead (animals don't have future desires), are only begotten sons of the Father. because not a one of you will ever match another. Jesus was NOT the eternal Son. WHEN YOU WHO cannot yet accept the concept that you ARE SONS OF the FATHER , at some point DO ACCEPT THAT, You will then begin to take responsibility for all that you create, and truly start your journey to BECOMING LIKE THE FATHER. You will make errors as you gain wisdom, but you will not be silly any more. You will be serious about YOUR PERSONAL JOURNEY and GROWTH INTO WISDOM and KNOWLEDGE. As long as you are not accepting of that FACT, you will continue to consider yourselves SEPARATE from the ONE MIND of the creation. YOU ARE NOT SEPARATE from that mind, even if you think you are, as there is ONLY ONE MIND of which you are an individualized portion. Last Edited by Nobody in Particular on 09/30/2011 09:42 PM Nobody in Particular the Age of Confusion is Fully Manifest. User ID: 2230535





Gogh, until YOU accept YOURSELF as a SON OF THE FATHEr, you will continue to do what you are doing in this thread. I wish you godspeed on that discovery, because you are so in need of it. God is NOT OUTSIDE of YOURSELF. YOu only "think" he is. And your are confining your definition of God to just this ONE PLANET. HE is the FATHER of all the beings who have arisen out of the 5.6 TRILLION evolutionary worlds. we aren't even a little dot on the landscape yet here. Last Edited by Nobody in Particular on 09/30/2011 09:46 PM Nobody in Particular the Age of Confusion is Fully Manifest. User ID: 2230535


Christians are famous for saying "Our God is an awesome God". Well its the same God which is the Father of the entire creation. That means he is the Father of the Muslims too, and the buddhists, and the taoists, and the atheists, and so on and so forth of this planet, and the peoples of every other planet of the currently roughly 5,600,000,000,000, 000, or is that too many zeros now. 5.6 TRILLION planets full of evolving humans in various forms in the creation to date and climbing. 3.8 million roughly in just our sector called Nebadon, and here you ones are with your not very expansive idea of this "god" person. this god person does not rule the show, his SONS DO. He is also the God of all the animals, the plants, the people living on craft, (heaven only knows how many craft their are out there. What do you do for eternity? In "heaven"? As I said I must be probably at least a million years old. The creation is trillions and trillions of years old. How many folks are there that call themselves the sons of God????? Only the Father knows, but its a very large number. And then add in the created beings the angels, and the number is really huge. The creation is ruled by the Sons of God people. Not "god". Gogh User ID: 1516975

Belgium 09/30/2011 10:11 PM





with every reply you make you prove that you don't know GOD, and repeat as a parrot things yourself don't understand... I only told here the judgment awaiting those that will not submit to the 11 laws of the son and pay the ransom for their life... or you will be send to the lake of fire. is this so difficult to understand? Gogh User ID: 1516975

Belgium 09/30/2011 10:16 PM

BTW I AM NEITHER CHRISTIAN - MUSLIM OR A JOE... For my part they all end in the lake of fire as unbelievers of the word of the lamb. Anonymous Coward User ID: 2394678

United States 09/30/2011 10:30 PM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation Re: How did people get to heaven before there was a Jesus Christ to accept as savior?? BTW I AM NEITHER CHRISTIAN - MUSLIM OR A JOE... For my part they all end in the lake of fire as unbelievers of the word of the lamb. Quoting: Gogh 'the word of the lamb' ?? Notice how these phrases that are so familiar don't really make any sense at all? Anonymous Coward User ID: 2307529

United States 09/30/2011 10:32 PM As long as people were willing to give up 10 percent of their income, there was a place behind the pearly gates for them...DUH!


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BTW I AM NEITHER CHRISTIAN - MUSLIM OR A JOE... For my part they all end in the lake of fire as unbelievers of the word of the lamb. Quoting: Gogh

How completely sad gogh. You see they are all your brothers and sisters too. They all have the same Father. Which was the most important teaching the lamb of God tried to bring this world. Last Edited by Nobody in Particular on 09/30/2011 10:40 PM Gogh User ID: 1516975

Belgium 09/30/2011 10:44 PM

BTW I AM NEITHER CHRISTIAN - MUSLIM OR A JOE... For my part they all end in the lake of fire as unbelievers of the word of the lamb. Quoting: Gogh 'the word of the lamb' ?? Notice how these phrases that are so familiar don't really make any sense at all? Quoting: Anonymous Coward 2394678 http://youtu.be/dIpGYRSjHdM Worthy is the Lamb... Anonymous Coward User ID: 2065008

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09/30/2011 10:44 PM o one is in heaven yet except the 12 elders God Jesus and angels.all the dead are still asleep until the dead in Christ rise first. Anonymous Coward User ID: 2065008

United States 09/30/2011 10:45 PM mkes sense. the lamb is Jesus, Anonymous Coward User ID: 2065008

United States 09/30/2011 10:47 PM trust me on this. My husband has been to heaven and i have documented everything and all of it lines up with the Bible.


Belgium 09/30/2011 10:57 PM


How completely sad gogh. You see they are all your brothers and sisters too. They all have the same Father. Which was the most important teaching the lamb of God tried to bring this world. Quoting: Nobody in Particular The word will become flesh... And all will pass judgment... and none shall escape if found guilty... how does that sound? you don't like it maybe... but it remains the word... God said he only had one son... God's Only Begotten Son, that whosoever believeth in Him should not perish, but have everlasting life" (John 3:16). Sound very clear to me or you must be blind not to see what is written black on white... thats sad too... maybe you should go wash that mud from your eyes, so you can see what really is written in



the books you all call holy books... they promise wrath for those who would not believe the son... the only begotten SON. God doesn't know you and he say's you don't know him neither... so!!! Anonymous Coward User ID: 2065008

United States 09/30/2011 10:58 PM no offense n i p but yo are sooooooo long winded and a bit boring. Didnt youre mother ever tell you to shushhhhhh???? Nobody in Particular the Age of Confusion is Fully Manifest. User ID: 2230535



How completely sad gogh. You see they are all your brothers and sisters too. They all have the same Father. Which was the most important teaching the lamb of God tried to bring this world. Quoting: Nobody in Particular The word will become flesh... And all will pass judgment... and none shall escape if found guilty... how does that sound? you don't like it maybe... but it remains the word... God said he only had one son... God's Only Begotten Son, that whosoever believeth in Him should not perish, but have everlasting life" (John 3:16). Sound very clear to me or you must be blind not to see what is written black on white... thats sad too... maybe you should go wash that mud from your eyes, so you can see what really is written in the books you all call holy books... they promise wrath for those who would not believe the son... the only begotten SON. God doesn't know you and he say's you don't know him neither... so!!! Quoting: Gogh



Gogh as long as YOU post this you deny Jesus most important teaching was that all are sons of God. Last Edited by Nobody in Particular on 09/30/2011 11:38 PM Anonymous Coward (OP) User ID: 1154162

United States 09/30/2011 11:46 PM the greeks practiced polytheism. their equivalent of heaven was the elysian fields. are there polytheistic greeks in jesus christ's heaven? Gogh User ID: 1516975

Belgium 09/30/2011 11:50 PM

The word will become flesh... And all will pass judgment... and none shall escape if found guilty... how does that sound? you don't like it maybe... but it remains the word... God said he only had one son... God's Only Begotten Son, that whosoever believeth in Him should not perish, but have everlasting life" (John 3:16). Sound very clear to me or you must be blind not to see what is written black on white... thats sad too... maybe you should go wash that mud from your eyes, so you can see what really is written in the books you all call holy books... they promise wrath for those who would not believe the son... the only begotten SON. God doesn't know you and he say's you don't know him neither... so!!! Quoting: Gogh Gogh as long as YOU post this you deny Jesus most important teaching was that all are sons of God. Quoting: Nobody in Particular God's Only Begotten Son, that whosoever believeth in Him should not perish, but have everlasting life" (John 3:16). I am sorry, I read we all must surrender to the son... and than he shall talk about the chosen and not chosen. And for everybody is a tribunal awaiting, for all, good or bad...




you listen to his voice than you wont have any fear... but if you fail to hear the wisdom... than certainly you end in hell.



your god of love has cursed you... Quoting: Gogh: NOT possible: For Love NEVER curses anyone! The Universal "Law of Return" states that what you send out, comes back on you Magnified! That's why GOD would NEVER curse another!!! ObeWayneKenobe User ID: 1330622





God's Only Begotten Son, that whosoever believeth in Him should not perish, but have everlasting life" (John 3:16). Quoting: Gogh: Unfortunately, John could neither read nor write......so those are made up words for you, by a Pharisee! :( Gogh User ID: 1516975

Belgium 10/01/2011 06:13 AM

your god of love has cursed you... Quoting: Gogh: NOT possible: For Love NEVER curses anyone! The Universal "Law of Return" states that what you send out, comes back on you Magnified! That's why GOD would NEVER curse another!!! Quoting: ObeWayneKenobe Please explain me how you are saved by your GOD... Mine Say's I must surrender to his will and hear the voice of his only begotten or I finish cursed forever and ever... What universal law of Return??? don't make me laugh... there ain't such thing...

You have no universal right with GOD... My God Say you shall sit on your knees and ask for pardon... but you won't receive it... And Certainly not because I will be the witness against you for all the evil words you tried to sell here on GLP... So I See you in the tribunal of my GOD... My God would not allow man to disobey and rebel without due consequences (besides death). put that in your little small head of yours.



"Anyone who is hung on a tree is under God's curse." Deut. 21:23 even the fig tree... [link to www.youtube.com] Last Edited by Gogh on 10/01/2011 06:42 AM Gogh User ID: 1516975

Belgium 10/01/2011 06:39 AM

God's Only Begotten Son, that whosoever believeth in Him should not perish, but have everlasting life" (John 3:16). Quoting: Gogh: Unfortunately, John could neither read nor write......so those are made up words for you, by a Pharisee! :( Quoting: ObeWayneKenobe I think you are sick in the mind... All what the pharisee tried to do is edit the holy names from the bible and designed a fake maps and holy land or told that judgment day already happened and jesus die for our sins. But how can someone die who is supposed to come at the end times to bring judgment to earth... thats all... GOD word is indestructible and is even written in the stars, where no man can touch it... they tried to destroy it... But the word only became greater and greater... they can't deleted the word... the word has a soul... but I am sure you won't understand this... God destroys body and the soul... Don't be misled by the blindness of your soul... The Word is The Law... SURRENDER/ISLAM

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The One and Only who save is the SON... just try to remember that... and nobody won't fool him... he is man after Gods Hart... And GOD certainly doesn't like people to who he must repeat the same words... Surrender Now or walk the plank into the lake of fire... http://youtu.be/Ufq7srkz1sc If I where You I would make sure that my name is written in the book of the lamb... and to do that you must first recognize the lamb... otherwise you are a rat for the cat... oeps the cat thats me... a sweet cat who plays with vermin,as rats and mice and frogs...




You have no universal right with GOD... My God Say you shall sit on your knees and ask for pardon... but you won't receive it... And Certainly not because I will be the witness against you for all the evil words you tried to sell here on GLP... So I See you in the tribunal of my GOD...

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My God would not allow man to disobey and rebel without due consequences (besides death). put that in your little small head of yours. "Anyone who is hung on a tree is under God's curse." Deut. 21:23 even the fig tree... [link to www.youtube.com] Quoting: Gogh gogh you are in error, as you have stated you have your own god whom you gave a name too in fact as one of your ancestors. this is not how it works. the is only one creative intelligent force and that is the FATHER actually of all, in cooperation with the Eternal Son and Infinite Spirit which are all beings as well as "forces" that make up mind, spirit, and matter. As to matter, all "positively" changed elements are male, and all negatively charged gelements are female and when the "marry" they have kids. the most common example fo that is water, which has hydrogen as father and oxygen as mother. You are the one sending everybody else to hell because some ancestor of yourself is the one and only 'god"? Hardly dear one, Hardly. Man is given many many lifetimes to grow into service and wisdom over his life eternal. He is not uncreated over infringe ments. He is not uncreated until he has lost all of any sense of God in him. There are very dark beings who are going to face that. Lucifer was one of them, as an example and the rules apply to whether one is a created being (angel) or one arises out of the animal (and in some cases plant) mind on evolutionary planets such as this one. The Deut. 21:23 quote above is not true and stinks in fact. Where in is your ability to reason, as we are entering the age of REASON, in the buildling of the "new earth." Gogh User ID: 1516975

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You have no universal right with GOD... My God Say you shall sit on your knees and ask for pardon... but you won't receive it... And Certainly not because I will be the witness against you for all the evil words you tried to sell here on GLP... So I See you in the tribunal of my GOD... My God would not allow man to disobey and rebel without due consequences (besides death). put that in your little small head of yours. "Anyone who is hung on a tree is under God's curse." Deut. 21:23 even the fig tree... [link to www.youtube.com] Quoting: Gogh gogh you are in error, as you have stated you have your own god whom you gave a name too in fact as one of your ancestors. this is not how it works. the is only one creative intelligent force and that is the FATHER actually of all, in cooperation with the Eternal Son and Infinite Spirit which are all beings as well as "forces" that make up mind, spirit, and matter. As to matter, all "positively" changed elements are male, and all negatively charged gelements are female and when the "marry" they have kids. the most common example fo that is water, which has hydrogen as father and oxygen as mother. You are the one sending everybody else to hell because some ancestor of yourself is the one and only 'god"? Hardly dear one, Hardly. Man is given many many lifetimes to grow into service and wisdom over his life eternal. He is not uncreated over infringe ments. He is not uncreated until he has lost all of any sense of God in him. There are very dark beings who are going to face that. Lucifer was one of them, as an example and the rules apply to whether one is a created being (angel) or one arises out of the animal (and in some cases plant) mind on evolutionary planets such as this one. The Deut. 21:23 quote above is not true and stinks in fact. Where in is your ability to reason, as we are entering the age of REASON, in the buildling of the "new earth." Quoting: Nobody in Particular okee... we are reincarnated beens... all of us and we can live eternally... thats truth and agree... I have been always here... but now amongst this reincarnated beens are good seeds and bad seeds... it's like a virus in our computer... this what happened... Now when the son of man comes he cleans the computer so that most of files can be saved... only the infected ones go to the dustbin forever and ever. the bad seeds shall be burned and the good seeds shall enter the new Garden - Paradise... Earth will be no more a desert... but a garden full of life... man and animal fish and birds... Paradise is for the true creation of my father your God and not only for the few who destroyed our paradise and even sold our unborn... I still don't understand why you fear the God of the Bible... he is only restoring order in his house... did you do something wrong? do you have blood marks on your hands or lies on your tongue? God send his only begotten to make war against our leaders... not the people... so do not fear!!! It's only the house which will get cleaned from vermin like frogs, rats,



vipers, scorpions etc... be happy. Why don't you accept what is written black on white... http://youtu.be/TTgwNqsoNYM Last Edited by Gogh on 10/01/2011 10:56 AM ObeWayneKenobe User ID: 1330622


Please explain me how you are saved by your GOD... Quoting: Gogh Gogh, we didn't come to this planet to get "saved", we came here to learn our lessons! Learn your lessons, and you get to graduate......don't them, and you get to take the class again!

Mine Say's I must surrender to his will and hear the voice of his only begotten or I finish cursed forever and ever... Quoting: Gogh Once again: GOD DOES NOT CURSE! Neither does God Threaten.....so you are listening to a false spirit!

What universal law of Return??? don't make me laugh... there ain't such thing...

Quoting: Gogh Have you ever heard of the "Law of the Harvest"?(So as you sow, so shall you reap).......same thing! If you plant carrots, CARROTS is what grows up, not peas, or potatoes, but what you planted! Why is THAT so hard for you to see? Here is the "Law of Return" for you to see: Throw a pebble in a small pond, watch the ripples move outward, then watch what happens when the ripples reach the outside of the pond: They then return to the center of the disturbance! These are NATURAL Laws Gogh, Universal in Nature!!! How is it, YOUR God never taught you that? :(

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You have no universal right with GOD... Quoting: Gogh Nonsense, we all do!!!

My God Say you shall sit on your knees and ask for pardon... but you won't receive it... And Certainly not because I will be the witness against you for all the evil words you tried to sell here on GLP... So I See you in the tribunal of my GOD... Quoting: Gogh Well why wouldn't YOUR God tell you that.......your God has lied to you about other things, why wouldn't he lie to you about this! lol

My God would not allow man to disobey and rebel without due consequences (besides death). put that in your little small head of yours. Quoting: Gogh I NEVER said there wouldn't be consequences for our actions.........is something that is sent out, that returns magnified, not a consequence? I simply said that GOD does NOT Judge.....but I NEVER said that WE didn't!

"Anyone who is hung on a tree is under God's curse." Deut. 21:23 even the fig tree... Quoting: Gogh Then Jesus was under God's curse? NONSENSE! You have a lot to learn Gogh! Last Edited by ObeWayneKenobe on 10/01/2011 11:53 AM ObeWayneKenobe User ID: 1330622


I think you are sick in the mind... Quoting: Gogh Well of course you would think THAT........that way you won't have to re-evaluate your own position on defining God! :(

And GOD certainly doesn't like people to who he must repeat the same words... Surrender Now or walk the plank into the lake of fire... Quoting: Gogh What are we now Pirates? Arrrr matey, ye be walkin the plank into me lake of fire now lad!........LOL




Quoting: Gogh Sorry Gogh, but this video demonstrates the LIE that was concocted in order to get the Man arrested! He was a Christed Being(Lighted), and NEVER would have done such a thing! This is how your Pharisees have convinced you that your God is a Violent Being.........BUT HE NEVER WAS!

If I where You I would make sure that my name is written in the book of the lamb... and to do that you must first recognize the lamb... otherwise you are a rat for the cat... oeps the cat thats me... a sweet cat who plays with vermin,as rats and mice and frogs... Quoting: Gogh Gogh, you can fancy yourself being a "cat", or a "sword", or a pirate, or a "lion", or even the 'Right Hand of God; if you wish..........but until you REALLY come to KNOW God, you will be forever stuck in your fantasy world of make-believe! I urge you to repent, and STOP this foolishness of turning our Beloved Master into a War Monger, and Mass Murderer!!! Last Edited by ObeWayneKenobe on 10/01/2011 12:10 PM Gogh User ID: 1516975

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Please explain me how you are saved by your GOD... Quoting: Gogh Then Jesus was under God's curse? NONSENSE! You have a lot to learn Gogh! Quoting: ObeWayneKenobe Young Jesus too was a sinner since all have sinned... even the Son forgot the laws to respect the father and the mother... Jesus in his youth is not an angel sometime as all kids, he made errors... so yes he has angered the father in heaven until, Jesus saw and understood the light. Its hidden truth of his own history that was erased from the face of earth... and it's only he got baptized by john, that he started to seek the LORD with all his hart, and he found him, that how Jesus became the only begotten of the father in haven... thats was his destiny he even didn't know... he would see the father... the only who ever will see the father... the Father is the GOD of Jesus, and not our GOD... Jesus is




our GOD of all Earthlings... thats why jesus is called GOD... SO the GOD OF JESUS IS NOT YOUR GOD... YOUR GOD IS JESUS and HIS TRUE NAME IS ALIHSANE... JUST THE SAME NAME AS THE FATHER... but he ain't the father... the father is Jesus GOD... Since no other ever found the God of Jesus. Mark 11:12-14, 19-25 The next day as they were leaving Bethany, Jesus was hungry. Seeing in the distance a fig tree in leaf, he went to find out if it had any fruit. When he reached it, he found nothing but leaves, because it was not the season for figs. Then he said to the tree, "May no one ever eat fruit from you again." And his disciples heard him say it. When evening came, they went out of the city. In the morning, as they went along, they saw the fig tree withered from the roots. Peter remembered and said to Jesus, "Rabbi, look! The fig tree you cursed has withered!" "Have faith in God," Jesus answered. "I tell you the truth, if anyone says to this mountain, `Go, throw yourself into the sea,' and does not doubt in his heart but believes that what he says will happen, it will be done for him. Therefore I tell you, whatever you ask for in prayer, believe that you have received it, and it will be yours. And when you stand praying, if you hold anything against anyone, forgive him, so that your Father in heaven may forgive you your sins." Gogh User ID: 1516975

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the greeks practiced polytheism. their equivalent of heaven was the elysian fields. are there polytheistic greeks in jesus christ's heaven? Quoting: Anonymous Coward 1154162

the elysian fields is a Battlefield where giants are crushed... and where ar'mag'eddin is fought... the same fields where little David crushed the giant Goliath... FOR WHEN WE ENTER PARADISE, THERE IS ONLY ONE GOD AND THAT IS JESUS... AND NONE OTHER. THE GOD OF HEAVEN IS THE GOD OF JESUS ALONE SINCE NO MAN HAS KNOWN THEIR



TRUE GOD UNTIL JESUS PUT THE LAW IN THE FACES OF ALL MAN... THE 10 LAWS OF HIS FATHER. AND OUR GOD JESUS WILL GIVE US 11 LAWS... AND IF WE BREAK THE LAW YOU WALK THE PLANK STRAIGHT INTO HELL. Last Edited by Gogh on 10/01/2011 12:57 PM ObeWayneKenobe User ID: 1330622


Young Jesus too was a sinner since all have sinned... even the Son forgot the laws to respect the father and the mother... Jesus in his youth is not an angel sometime as all kids, he made errors... so yes he has angered the father in heaven until, Jesus saw and understood the light. Its hidden truth of his own history that was erased from the face of earth... and it's only he got baptized by john, that he started to seek the LORD with all his hart, and he found him, that how Jesus became the only begotten of the father in haven... thats was his destiny he even didn't know... he would see the father... the only who ever will see the father... the Father is the GOD of Jesus, and not our GOD... Jesus is our GOD of all Earthlings... thats why jesus is called GOD... SO the GOD OF JESUS IS NOT YOUR GOD... YOUR GOD IS JESUS and HIS TRUE NAME IS ALIHSANE... JUST THE SAME NAME AS THE FATHER... but he ain't the father... the father is Jesus GOD... Since no other ever found the God of Jesus. Mark 11:12-14, 19-25 The next day as they were leaving Bethany, Jesus was hungry. Seeing in the distance a fig tree in leaf, he went to find out if it had any fruit. When he reached it, he found nothing but leaves, because it was not the season for figs. Then he said to the tree, "May no one ever eat fruit from you again." And his disciples heard him say it. When evening came, they went out of the city. In the morning, as they went along, they saw the fig tree withered from the roots. Peter remembered and said to Jesus, "Rabbi, look! The fig tree you cursed has withered!" "Have faith in God," Jesus answered. "I tell you the truth, if anyone says to this mountain, `Go, throw yourself into the sea,' and does not doubt in his heart but believes that what he says will happen, it will be done for him. Therefore I tell you, whatever you ask for in prayer, believe that you have received it, and it will be yours. And when you stand praying, if you hold anything against anyone, forgive him, so that your Father in heaven may forgive you your sins." Quoting: Gogh Yes, I agree: Young Jesus had to learn, just as WE do! But Jesus NEVER became our God.......He became "One with God", there's is a Big difference!!!




.....And btw, your book is offering you a big FAT Lie, when it tells you that He "cursed a tree": He NEVER did any such thing! :( Last Edited by ObeWayneKenobe on 10/01/2011 01:24 PM Anonymous Coward User ID: 2423286

Germany 10/01/2011 01:34 PM I believed the truly righteous souls were held in "Abraham's Bosom" It's a place located in hell, but protected by "Abrahams Bosom" So they didn't experience torment. There were those that came before Jesus that were saved. When Jesus descended into Hell he got them...if they didn't KNow Jesus they did not go to him (which if you were of GOD you would have expected a Messiah to save you, since it was the word of God prior to Jesus) There were several people that were saved as they kept good Faith in God..i.e Abraham, Joseph, King David..etc..etc... You should really read the NT it is talked about in there. Quoting: Anonymous Coward 1403806 No one goes to heaven or 'hell' when they die. The Bible is clear that when we die, we wait for judgement in our graves. Ecclesiastes 9 Quoting: A Voice In The Wilderness Well said. According to the Bible there is the Kingdom of God and Lake of Fire. Both don't come into play until after judgement day. Quoting: whoopdeedoo Why then did Jesus tell the thief on the cross he would be with him taoday in paradise. Is paradise a place other than heaven.? Quoting: Anonymous Coward 1642343 He told him, "truly, today I tell you, you will be with me in paradise." Get it? And when people die they are in their graves awaiting the resurrection. No point in having a resurrection if no one is dead, is there? And Hell is death, the wages of sin is death. You get eternal life or eternal death. IMALUNIATI JESTER User ID: 1554138

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No one goes to heaven or 'hell' when they die. The Bible is clear that when we die, we wait for judgement in our graves. Ecclesiastes 9 Quoting: A Voice In The Wilderness Well said. According to the Bible there is the Kingdom of God and Lake of Fire. Both don't come into play until after judgement day. Quoting: whoopdeedoo Why then did Jesus tell the thief on the cross he would be with him taoday in paradise. Is paradise a place other than heaven.? Quoting: Anonymous Coward 1642343 He told him, "truly, today I tell you, you will be with me in paradise." Get it? And when people die they are in their graves awaiting the resurrection. No point in having a resurrection if no one is dead, is there? And Hell is death, the wages of sin is death. You get eternal life or eternal death. Quoting: Anonymous Coward 2423286 OK then.. - this would appear to be of some interest methinks... I just (around 16:20GMT 01102011) posted the following thread on GoLiPr with a [POLL] attached to it. Did a thread search and could find not much... - Is GoLiPr a complete psyop of the highest order? Just sayin'... Happy to be proven a fool... What do you think? g l p s c a m Yes. Go Li Pr is a complete PSYOP. Yes. Go Li Pr is a PSYOP without the knowledge of ADMIN. Go Li Pr is a PSYOP only 'internally' - through use of users. No. - Go Li Pr is simply a forum for 'Conspiracy Theorists'. No. - Go Li Pr is most excellent - regardless of what medication O.P. is on. No. - Go Li Pr is not a PSYOP in any form.


The post was listed on page 1 for about 14 views and then it got wiped entirely... Is that in any way ODD at all? Just askin'.... Anonymous Coward User ID: 2423286

Germany 10/01/2011 01:38 PM An example of the effects of being judged by eternal fire is given in Jude 1:7 "Even as Sodom and Gomorrha, and the cities about them in like manner, giving themselves over to fornication, and going after strange flesh, are set forth for an example, suffering the vengeance of eternal fire." God judges by eternal fire, meaning anything judged by him in that way is exterminated totally and utterly. Anonymous Coward User ID: 2423286

Germany 10/01/2011 01:41 PM ... Well said. According to the Bible there is the Kingdom of God and Lake of Fire. Both don't come into play until after judgement day. Quoting: whoopdeedoo Why then did Jesus tell the thief on the cross he would be with him taoday in paradise. Is paradise a place other than heaven.? Quoting: Anonymous Coward 1642343 He told him, "truly, today I tell you, you will be with me in paradise." Get it? And when people die they are in their graves awaiting the resurrection. No point in having a resurrection if no one is dead, is there? And Hell is death, the wages of sin is death. You get eternal life or eternal death. Quoting: Anonymous Coward 2423286 OK then.. - this would appear to be of some interest methinks... I just (around 16:20GMT 01102011) posted the following thread on GoLiPr with a [POLL] attached to it.


Did a thread search and could find not much... - Is GoLiPr a complete psyop of the highest order? Just sayin'... Happy to be proven a fool... What do you think? g l p s c a m Yes. Go Li Pr is a complete PSYOP. Yes. Go Li Pr is a PSYOP without the knowledge of ADMIN. Go Li Pr is a PSYOP only 'internally' - through use of users. No. - Go Li Pr is simply a forum for 'Conspiracy Theorists'. No. - Go Li Pr is most excellent - regardless of what medication O.P. is on. No. - Go Li Pr is not a PSYOP in any form. The post was listed on page 1 for about 14 views and then it got wiped entirely... Is that in any way ODD at all? Just askin'.... Quoting: IMALUNIATI JESTER No idea ? sorry, I am just a normal poster here. Gogh User ID: 1516975

Belgium 10/01/2011 01:42 PM

Young Jesus too was a sinner since all have sinned... even the Son forgot the laws to respect the father and the mother... Jesus in his youth is not an angel sometime as all kids, he made errors... so yes he has angered the father in heaven until, Jesus saw and understood the light. Its hidden truth of his own history that was erased from the face of earth... and it's only he got baptized by john, that he started to seek the LORD with all his hart, and he found him, that how Jesus became the only begotten of the father in haven... thats was his destiny he even didn't know... he would see the father... the only who ever will see the father... the Father is the GOD of Jesus, and not our GOD... Jesus is our GOD of all Earthlings... thats why jesus is called GOD... SO the GOD OF JESUS IS NOT YOUR GOD... YOUR GOD IS JESUS and HIS TRUE NAME IS ALIHSANE... JUST THE SAME NAME AS THE FATHER... but he ain't the father... the father is Jesus GOD... Since no other ever found the God of Jesus.



Mark 11:12-14, 19-25 The next day as they were leaving Bethany, Jesus was hungry. Seeing in the distance a fig tree in leaf, he went to find out if it had any fruit. When he reached it, he found nothing but leaves, because it was not the season for figs. Then he said to the tree, "May no one ever eat fruit from you again." And his disciples heard him say it. When evening came, they went out of the city. In the morning, as they went along, they saw the fig tree withered from the roots. Peter remembered and said to Jesus, "Rabbi, look! The fig tree you cursed has withered!" "Have faith in God," Jesus answered. "I tell you the truth, if anyone says to this mountain, `Go, throw yourself into the sea,' and does not doubt in his heart but believes that what he says will happen, it will be done for him. Therefore I tell you, whatever you ask for in prayer, believe that you have received it, and it will be yours. And when you stand praying, if you hold anything against anyone, forgive him, so that your Father in heaven may forgive you your sins." Quoting: Gogh Yes, I agree: Young Jesus had to learn, just as WE do! But Jesus NEVER became our God.......He became "One with God", there's is a Big difference!!! .....And btw, your book is offering you a big FAT Lie, when it tells you that He "cursed a tree": He NEVER did any such thing! :( Quoting: ObeWayneKenobe Jesus is our GOD... Since we didn't know the father... http://youtu.be/JAGNUWxdUuw

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An example of the effects of being judged by eternal fire is given in Jude 1:7 "Even as Sodom and Gomorrha, and the cities about them in like manner, giving themselves over to fornication, and going after strange flesh, are set forth for an example, suffering the vengeance of eternal fire."

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God judges by eternal fire, meaning anything judged by him in that way is exterminated totally and utterly. Quoting: Anonymous Coward 2423286 Yes, but what you fail to understand; is that those cities were destroyed by their own hands.......NOT Gods! They were experimenting with weapons that went far beyond their capability to master........much like we have done today! :( Last Edited by ObeWayneKenobe on 10/01/2011 01:43 PM ObeWayneKenobe User ID: 1330622


Jesus is our GOD... Since we didn't know the father... Quoting: Gogh I know the Father......why don't you??? Gogh User ID: 1516975

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Jesus is our GOD... Since we didn't know the father... Quoting: Gogh I know the Father......why don't you??? Quoting: ObeWayneKenobe http://youtu.be/W2D0g4Kizto jdb User ID: 1500306





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Or did they all end up in hell? Was the first person to accept JC as their savior the first person in heaven? Quoting: Anonymous Coward 1154162 Not a single Christian will answer? Before Jesus paid the price for our sins, saints were found righteous by faith in The God of Abraham, Issac and Jacob! The waited in "Abrahams Bosom described here: Luk 16:22 Ànd it came to pass, that the poor man died, and that he was carried away by the messengers to the bosom of Abraham--and the rich man also died, and was buried; Luk 16:23 and in the hades having lifted up his eyes, being in torments, he doth see Abraham afar off, and Lazarus in his bosom, Luk 16:24 and having cried, he said, Father Abraham, deal kindly with me, and send Lazarus, that he may dip the tip of his finger in water, and may cool my tongue, because I am distressed in this flame. Luk 16:25 Ànd Abraham said, Child, remember that thou did receive--thou--thy good things in thy life, and Lazarus in like manner the evil things, and now he is comforted, and thou art distressed; Luk 16:26 and besides all these things, between us and you a great chasm is fixed, so that they who are willing to go over from hence unto you are not able, nor do they from thence to us pass through. Luk 16:27 Ànd he said, I pray thee, then, father, that thou mayest send him to the house of my father, Luk 16:28 for I have five brothers, so that he may thoroughly testify to them, that they also may not come to this place of torment. Luk 16:29 Àbraham saith to him, They have Moses and the prophets, let them hear them; Luk 16:30 and he said, No, father Abraham, but if any one from the dead may go unto them, they will reform. Luk 16:31 And he said to him, If Moses and the prophets they do not hear, neither if one may rise out of the dead will they be persuaded.' When Jesus died on the cross, He descended into Hell, Hades...the place of the dead and spent 3 days setting the "captives" free - from that point on, all those that receive Jesus as their savior go immediately into His presence when the die! ObeWayneKenobe User ID: 1330622




When Jesus died on the cross, He descended into Hell, Hades...the place of the dead and spent 3 days setting the "captives" free - from that point on, all those that receive Jesus as their savior go immediately into His presence when the die! Quoting: jdb Not True! First: He DIDN'T die on the cross! Second: There is no hell for Him to descend into! Thirdly: Your projection aligns itself with LDS teachings.......are you a Mormon? Gogh User ID: 1516975

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The Only cross that Jesus ever has carried is this Cross... [link to image.spreadshirt.com] The Edrissi Cross of his ancestors since the times of Enoch... [link to imageshack.us] jdb User ID: 1500306


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When Jesus died on the cross, He descended into Hell, Hades...the place of the dead and spent 3 days setting the "captives" free - from that point on, all those that receive Jesus as their savior go immediately into His presence when the die! Quoting: jdb Not True! First: He DIDN'T die on the cross! Second: There is no hell for Him to descend into! Thirdly: Your projection aligns itself with LDS teachings.......are you a Mormon? Quoting: ObeWayneKenobe Wow...your kinda spunky with all that! How did you come to form your conclusions? Jesus DIED: 1Th 4:14 For since we believe that Jesus died and was raised to life again, we also believe that when Jesus returns, God will bring back with Him the believers who have died. John 10:15 Even as the Father knows Me, I also know the Father. And I lay down My life for the sheep. John 10:17 Therefore My Father loves Me, because I lay down My life so that I might take it again No Hell? Job_31:12 It is a fire that burns all the way to hell. It would wipe out everything I own. Mat_5:22 But I say, if you are even angry with someone [without cause], you are subject to judgment! If you call someone an idiot, you are in danger of being brought before the court. And if you curse someone, you are in danger of the fires of hell. Mat_5:29 So if your eye—even your good eye—causes you to lust, gouge it out and throw it away. It is better for you to lose one part of your body than for your whole body to be thrown into hell. Mat_5:30 And if your hand—even your stronger hand—causes you to sin, cut it off and throw it away. It is better for you to lose one part of your body than for your whole body to be thrown into hell. Mat_7:13 "You can enter God's Kingdom only through the narrow gate. The highway to hell is broad, and its gate is wide for the many who choose that way. Mat_10:28 "Don't be afraid of those who want to kill your body; they cannot touch your soul. Fear only God, who can destroy both soul and body in hell. Mat_16:18 Now I say to you that you are Peter (which means 'rock'), and upon this rock I will build


My church, and all the powers of hell will not conquer it. Mat_18:9 And if your eye causes you to sin, gouge it out and throw it away. It's better to enter eternal life with only one eye than to have two eyes and be thrown into the fire of hell. Mat_23:15 "What sorrow awaits you teachers of religious law and you Pharisees. Hypocrites! For you cross land and sea to make one convert, and then you turn that person into twice the child of hell you yourselves are! Mat_23:33 Snakes! Sons of vipers! How will you escape the judgment of hell? Mar_9:43 If your hand causes you to sin, cut it off. It's better to enter eternal life with only one hand than to go into the unquenchable fires of hell with two hands. Mar_9:45 If your foot causes you to sin, cut it off. It's better to enter eternal life with only one foot than to be thrown into hell with two feet. Mar_9:47 And if your eye causes you to sin, gouge it out. It's better to enter the Kingdom of God with only one eye than to have two eyes and be thrown into hell, Luk_12:5 But I'll tell you whom to fear. Fear God, who has the power to kill you and then throw you into hell. Yes, He's the One to fear. Rom_8:38 And I am convinced that nothing can ever separate us from God's love. Neither death nor life, neither angels nor demons, neither our fears for today nor our worries about tomorrow—not even the powers of hell can separate us from God's love. Jas_3:6 And the tongue is a flame of fire. It is a whole world of wickedness, corrupting your entire body. It can set your whole life on fire, for it is set on fire by hell itself. 2Pe_2:4 For God did not spare even the angels who sinned. He threw them into hell, in gloomy pits of darkness, where they are being held until the day of judgment. Mormon? NO! Born again Christian...however...YOU, sound like a Jehova's Witness...seems like your pushing arian theology,which is what the JW's base their beliefs upon...totally flawed and devoid of salvation! You MUST believe and receive Jesus *as He presented Himself!* Irishkraut User ID: 863287

United States 10/01/2011 11:17 PM Not true! "In my Father's house are MANY Mansions..."! Quoting: Foresight How the fuck do you fit a mansion inside a house??? Quoting: Anonymous Coward 1069180 When you're not used to hearing metaphors, then you don't understand what is meant. "In my Father's house" doesn't mean the house that he lives in, but it means the Kingdom of Heaven in which he resides. In HIS Kingdom of Heaven, there ARE many mansions, which are reserved for the righteous people. In my Father's house (universe) are many mansions (planets)




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Not true! "In my Father's house are MANY Mansions..."! Quoting: Foresight How the fuck do you fit a mansion inside a house??? Quoting: Anonymous Coward 1069180 When you're not used to hearing metaphors, then you don't understand what is meant. "In my Father's house" doesn't mean the house that he lives in, but it means the Kingdom of Heaven in which he resides. In HIS Kingdom of Heaven, there ARE many mansions, which are reserved for the righteous people. In my Father's house (universe) are many mansions (planets) Quoting: Irishkraut This wasn't even about the Kingdom of Heaven... no its the Kingdom of the father here on earth that was rendered to ashes, out who the glorious land shall stand up again with the son of man... Jesus said exactly out his father house are many religions born... not only one religion... with this he says there is only ONE for All... THERE IS ONLY ONE GOD...RAIS HASSAN=Rosh Hashanah and means The LEADER HASHEM = HOSANNA The Highest I see the King of glory Coming on the clouds with fire The whole earth shakes, the whole earth shakes I see His love... ObeWayneKenobe User ID: 1330622





Wow...your kinda spunky with all that! How did you come to form your conclusions? Jesus DIED: 1Th 4:14 For since we believe that Jesus died and was raised to life again, we also believe that when Jesus returns, God will bring back with Him the believers who have died. John 10:15 Even as the Father knows Me, I also know the Father. And I lay down My life for the sheep. John 10:17 Therefore My Father loves Me, because I lay down My life so that I might take it again No Hell? Job_31:12 It is a fire that burns all the way to hell. It would wipe out everything I own. Mat_5:22 But I say, if you are even angry with someone [without cause], you are subject to judgment! If you call someone an idiot, you are in danger of being brought before the court. And if you curse someone, you are in danger of the fires of hell. Mat_5:29 So if your eye—even your good eye—causes you to lust, gouge it out and throw it away. It is better for you to lose one part of your body than for your whole body to be thrown into hell. Mat_5:30 And if your hand—even your stronger hand—causes you to sin, cut it off and throw it away. It is better for you to lose one part of your body than for your whole body to be thrown into hell. Mat_7:13 "You can enter God's Kingdom only through the narrow gate. The highway to hell is broad, and its gate is wide for the many who choose that way. Mat_10:28 "Don't be afraid of those who want to kill your body; they cannot touch your soul. Fear only God, who can destroy both soul and body in hell. Mat_16:18 Now I say to you that you are Peter (which means 'rock'), and upon this rock I will build My church, and all the powers of hell will not conquer it. Mat_18:9 And if your eye causes you to sin, gouge it out and throw it away. It's better to enter eternal life with only one eye than to have two eyes and be thrown into the fire of hell. Mat_23:15 "What sorrow awaits you teachers of religious law and you Pharisees. Hypocrites! For you cross land and sea to make one convert, and then you turn that person into twice the child of hell you yourselves are! Mat_23:33 Snakes! Sons of vipers! How will you escape the judgment of hell? Mar_9:43 If your hand causes you to sin, cut it off. It's better to enter eternal life with only one hand than to go into the unquenchable fires of hell with two hands. Mar_9:45 If your foot causes you to sin, cut it off. It's better to enter eternal life with only one foot than to be thrown into hell with two feet. Mar_9:47 And if your eye causes you to sin, gouge it out. It's better to enter the Kingdom of God with only one eye than to have two eyes and be thrown into hell, Luk_12:5 But I'll tell you whom to fear. Fear God, who has the power to kill you and then throw you into hell. Yes, He's the One to fear. Rom_8:38 And I am convinced that nothing can ever separate us from God's love. Neither death nor life, neither angels nor demons, neither our fears for today nor our worries about tomorrow—not even the powers of hell can separate us from God's love.


Jas_3:6 And the tongue is a flame of fire. It is a whole world of wickedness, corrupting your entire body. It can set your whole life on fire, for it is set on fire by hell itself. 2Pe_2:4 For God did not spare even the angels who sinned. He threw them into hell, in gloomy pits of darkness, where they are being held until the day of judgment. Mormon? NO! Born again Christian...however...YOU, sound like a Jehova's Witness...seems like your pushing arian theology,which is what the JW's base their beliefs upon...totally flawed and devoid of salvation! You MUST believe and receive Jesus *as He presented Himself!* Quoting: jdb Yes, I'm fully aware that your bible states otherwise......but it just isn't true! Read the Phoenix Journals for a more accurate depiction! :) P.S....I am NOT, nor have I ever been; a JW! Last Edited by ObeWayneKenobe on 10/02/2011 03:10 PM Nobody in Particular the Age of Confusion is Fully Manifest. User ID: 2230535


When Jesus died on the cross, He descended into Hell, Hades...the place of the dead and spent 3 days setting the "captives" free - from that point on, all those that receive Jesus as their savior go immediately into His presence when the die! Quoting: jdb Not True! First: He DIDN'T die on the cross! Second: There is no hell for Him to descend into! Thirdly: Your projection aligns itself with LDS teachings.......are you a Mormon? Quoting: ObeWayneKenobe Wow...your kinda spunky with all that! How did you come to form your conclusions? Jesus DIED: 1Th 4:14 For since we believe that Jesus died and was raised to life again, we also believe that when Jesus returns, God will bring back with Him the believers who have died.




John 10:15 Even as the Father knows Me, I also know the Father. And I lay down My life for the sheep. John 10:17 Therefore My Father loves Me, because I lay down My life so that I might take it again No Hell? Job_31:12 It is a fire that burns all the way to hell. It would wipe out everything I own. Mat_5:22 But I say, if you are even angry with someone [without cause], you are subject to judgment! If you call someone an idiot, you are in danger of being brought before the court. And if you curse someone, you are in danger of the fires of hell. Mat_5:29 So if your eye—even your good eye—causes you to lust, gouge it out and throw it away. It is better for you to lose one part of your body than for your whole body to be thrown into hell. Mat_5:30 And if your hand—even your stronger hand—causes you to sin, cut it off and throw it away. It is better for you to lose one part of your body than for your whole body to be thrown into hell. Mat_7:13 "You can enter God's Kingdom only through the narrow gate. The highway to hell is broad, and its gate is wide for the many who choose that way. Mat_10:28 "Don't be afraid of those who want to kill your body; they cannot touch your soul. Fear only God, who can destroy both soul and body in hell. Mat_16:18 Now I say to you that you are Peter (which means 'rock'), and upon this rock I will build My church, and all the powers of hell will not conquer it. Mat_18:9 And if your eye causes you to sin, gouge it out and throw it away. It's better to enter eternal life with only one eye than to have two eyes and be thrown into the fire of hell. Mat_23:15 "What sorrow awaits you teachers of religious law and you Pharisees. Hypocrites! For you cross land and sea to make one convert, and then you turn that person into twice the child of hell you yourselves are! Mat_23:33 Snakes! Sons of vipers! How will you escape the judgment of hell? Mar_9:43 If your hand causes you to sin, cut it off. It's better to enter eternal life with only one hand than to go into the unquenchable fires of hell with two hands. Mar_9:45 If your foot causes you to sin, cut it off. It's better to enter eternal life with only one foot than to be thrown into hell with two feet. Mar_9:47 And if your eye causes you to sin, gouge it out. It's better to enter the Kingdom of God with only one eye than to have two eyes and be thrown into hell, Luk_12:5 But I'll tell you whom to fear. Fear God, who has the power to kill you and then throw you into hell. Yes, He's the One to fear. Rom_8:38 And I am convinced that nothing can ever separate us from God's love. Neither death nor life, neither angels nor demons, neither our fears for today nor our worries about tomorrow—not even the powers of hell can separate us from God's love. Jas_3:6 And the tongue is a flame of fire. It is a whole world of wickedness, corrupting your entire body. It can set your whole life on fire, for it is set on fire by hell itself. 2Pe_2:4 For God did not spare even the angels who sinned. He threw them into hell, in gloomy pits of darkness, where they are being held until the day of judgment. Mormon? NO! Born again Christian...however...YOU, sound like a Jehova's Witness...seems like your pushing arian theology,which is what the JW's base their beliefs upon...totally flawed and devoid of salvation! You MUST believe and receive Jesus *as He presented Himself!* Quoting: jdb Your bible is not correct. Please take advantage of reading the truth here expressed by Jesus and


Judas, because Judas was the scribe and not the betrayer also. the bible is full of man' misunderstandings and some out and out lies. ONCE MORE, EVEN YOUR OWN BIBLE PROMISED CLARITY OF THE WORLD AT THE END OF THE AGE. THE PHOENIX JOURNALS AND THE URANTIA BOOK WERE PROVIDED TO THAT END. NOTHING REMAINS INTACT OVER PERIODS OF HUNDREDS AND THOUSANDS OF YEARS, AS TO CORRECT TEACHINGS. There was no resurrection as you have been taught. He did not die in the first place on the cross. I know him very personally dear one, and the one labeled Jesus certainly does KNOW. It was his life after all. He did NOT "die" until he was about 115 years old. [link to tweeofmeer.webs.com] And OBE I have been busy, but I will quote to your post of a couple days about here about John. Last Edited by Nobody in Particular on 10/02/2011 08:03 PM Nobody in Particular the Age of Confusion is Fully Manifest. User ID: 2230535


Jesus is our GOD... Since we didn't know the father... Quoting: Gogh I know the Father......why don't you??? Quoting: ObeWayneKenobe Gogh, are you drinking lsd or something, in another post you gave the name of YOUR GOD who you claimed to have been YOUR ancestor. Where is your mind? Nobody in Particular the Age of Confusion is Fully Manifest. User ID: 2230535


God's Only Begotten Son, that whosoever believeth in Him should not perish, but have everlasting life" (John 3:16). Quoting: Gogh:







Unfortunately, John could neither read nor write......so those are made up words for you, by a Pharisee! :( Quoting: ObeWayneKenobe OBE is right, John did not write the Gospel of John. it is recorded this way in the UB. Now I am going to post the whole teaching about those 4 gospels as to ORIGIN. [link to www.urantia.org] (1341.2) 121:8.1 As far as possible, consistent with our mandate, we have endeavored to utilize and to some extent co-ordinate the existing records having to do with the life of Jesus on Urantia. Although we have enjoyed access to the lost record of the Apostle Andrew and have benefited from the collaboration of a vast host of celestial beings who were on earth during the times of Michael‘s bestowal (notably his now Personalized Adjuster), it has been our purpose also to make use of the so-called Gospels of Matthew, Mark, Luke, and John. (1341.3) 121:8.2 These New Testament records had their origin in the following circumstances: (1341.4) 121:8.3 1. The Gospel by Mark. John Mark wrote the earliest (excepting the notes of Andrew), briefest, and most simple record of Jesus‘ life. He presented the Master as a minister, as man among men. Although Mark was a lad lingering about many of the scenes which he depicts, his record is in reality the Gospel according to Simon Peter. He was early associated with Peter; later with Paul. Mark wrote this record at the instigation of Peter and on the earnest petition of the church at Rome. Knowing how consistently the Master refused to write out his teachings when on earth and in the flesh, Mark, like the apostles and other leading disciples, was hesitant to put them in writing. But Peter felt the church at Rome required the assistance of such a written narrative, and Mark consented to undertake its preparation. He made many notes before Peter died in A.D. 67, and in accordance with the outline approved by Peter and for the church at Rome, he began his writing soon after Peter‘s death. The Gospel was completed near the end of A.D. 68. Mark wrote entirely from his own memory and Peter‘s memory. The record has since been considerably changed, numerous passages having been taken out and some later matter added at the end to replace the latter one fifth of the original Gospel, which was lost from the first manuscript before it was ever copied. This record by Mark, in conjunction with Andrew‘s and Matthew‘s notes, was the written basis of all subsequent Gospel narratives which sought to portray the life and teachings of Jesus. (1341.5) 121:8.4 2. The Gospel of Matthew. The so-called Gospel according to Matthew is the record of the Master‘s life which was written for the edification of Jewish Christians. The author of this record constantly seeks to show in Jesus‘ life that much which he did was that ―it might be fulfilled which was spoken by the prophet.‖ Matthew‘s Gospel portrays Jesus as a son of David, picturing him as showing great respect for the law and the prophets. (1341.6) 121:8.5 The Apostle Matthew did not write this Gospel. It was written by Isador, one of his disciples, who had as a help in his work not only Matthew‘s personal remembrance of these events but also a certain record which the latter had made of the sayings of Jesus directly after the crucifixion. This record by Matthew was written in Aramaic; Isador wrote in Greek. There was no intent to deceive in accrediting the production to Matthew. It was the custom in those days for pupils thus to honor their teachers. (1342.1) 121:8.6 Matthew‘s original record was edited and added to in A.D. 40 just before he left Jerusalem to engage in evangelistic preaching. It was a private record, the last copy having been



destroyed in the burning of a Syrian monastery in A.D. 416. (1342.2) 121:8.7 Isador escaped from Jerusalem in A.D. 70 after the investment of the city by the armies of Titus, taking with him to Pella a copy of Matthew‘s notes. In the year 71, while living at Pella, Isador wrote the Gospel according to Matthew. He also had with him the first four fifths of Mark‘s narrative. (1342.3) 121:8.8 3. The Gospel by Luke. Luke, the physician of Antioch in Pisidia, was a gentile convert of Paul, and he wrote quite a different story of the Master‘s life. He began to follow Paul and learn of the life and teachings of Jesus in A.D. 47. Luke preserves much of the ―grace of the Lord Jesus Christ‖ in his record as he gathered up these facts from Paul and others. Luke presents the Master as ―the friend of publicans and sinners.‖ He did not formulate his many notes into the Gospel until after Paul‘s death. Luke wrote in the year 82 in Achaia. He planned three books dealing with the history of Christ and Christianity but died in A.D. 90 just before he finished the second of these works, the ―Acts of the Apostles.‖ (1342.4) 121:8.9 As material for the compilation of his Gospel, Luke first depended upon the story of Jesus‘ life as Paul had related it to him. Luke‘s Gospel is, therefore, in some ways the Gospel according to Paul. But Luke had other sources of information. He not only interviewed scores of eyewitnesses to the numerous episodes of Jesus‘ life which he records, but he also had with him a copy of Mark‘s Gospel, that is, the first four fifths, Isador‘s narrative, and a brief record made in the year A.D. 78 at Antioch by a believer named Cedes. Luke also had a mutilated and much-edited copy of some notes purported to have been made by the Apostle Andrew. (1342.5) 121:8.10 4. The Gospel of John. The Gospel according to John relates much of Jesus‘ work in Judea and around Jerusalem which is not contained in the other records. This is the so-called Gospel according to John the son of Zebedee, and though John did not write it, he did inspire it. Since its first writing it has several times been edited to make it appear to have been written by John himself. When this record was made, John had the other Gospels, and he saw that much had been omitted; accordingly, in the year A.D. 101 he encouraged his associate, Nathan, a Greek jewish from Caesarea, to begin the writing. John supplied his material from memory and by reference to the three records already in existence. He had no written records of his own. The Epistle known as ―First John‖ was written by John himself as a covering letter for the work which Nathan executed under his direction. (and even the cover letter, was dictated to Nathan, NOT hand written by John. -C) Now a real gospel actually written by one close to Jesus (Esu) WAS WRITTEN BY his best friend JUDAS who was not the betrayer. HE WAS FRAMED. This was hidden by Esu's (Jesus) son after his death in srinagar, Kashmir in the old grave in Jerusalem and unearthed in the early 1960's. Some of what remained of it has been translated from the ARAMAIC into english here: ONCE AGAIN. [link to tweeofmeer.webs.com] Last Edited by Nobody in Particular on 10/02/2011 08:18 PM Gogh User ID: 1516975

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Jesus is our GOD... Since we didn't know the father... Quoting: Gogh I know the Father......why don't you??? Quoting: ObeWayneKenobe Gogh, are you drinking lsd or something, in another post you gave the name of YOUR GOD who you claimed to have been YOUR ancestor. Where is your mind? Quoting: Nobody in Particular My GOD is my ancestor, Hassan know to the world as HaShem/Shem son of Noah, called also Maliksadik. The ancestor of all semitic(Hassani) people... Prophets and Saints and Kings were my ancestors yes... but I know you won't even understand if toke the time to explain it all... He is the true GOD that no man respect anymore his holy name even forgotten... why the son of man will forbid all people to pray anymore to his father... Because the true GOD won't answer any prayer of any man... Why our GOD is Jesus who carries the same name as his father... Hassan. Maliksadik the lord of Abraham is MY GOD too... and people have forgotten who the GOD of Abraham was... and that is a great sin. Gogh User ID: 1516975

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I will ad that the true name translated in English means... THE WARRIOR OF THE LIGHT... HASSAN EL MESBAHI... the hidden name written on the Throne of GOD. and Michael also means Hassan... Warrior.



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That is a great question! I know someone who can explain that very easily. His name is Arnold Murray and he has a website www.shepherdschapel.com hope this helps. Nobody in Particular the Age of Confusion is Fully Manifest. User ID: 2230535




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