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MacroCurrency Strategy
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GBP: between a rock and a hard place
For now, it is the changing dynamics of the EUR and USD that areimpacting GBP rather than a specific GBP story itself. For GBP to tradeindependently, we need to see a dramatic change in the UK economy,either for the better, or for the worse. Until then, GBP will remain trapped
between a rock and a hard place.
EUR and CHF: Where core EUR might have beenImagine the EUR had been split into two currencies in 2009: EUR-core(EUC) and EUR-periphery (EUP). These currencies would be performingvery differently, with a current EUC-USD around 1.80 and EUP-USD of
perhaps 1.10. Relative competitive positions within the Eurozone would be very different.
Will a new tax holiday boost the USD?There has been discussion of another Homeland Investment Act thatwould involve a tax break that could see US multinationals repatriatefunds from overseas. This could boost the US economy and the USD, atleast temporarily.
Currency
OUTLOOK
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GBP between a rock and a hard place (pg 3)For now, it is the changing dynamics of the EUR and USD that are impacting GBP rather than a specific
GBP story itself. When Eurozone sovereign risk is dominating market focus, GBP outperforms the EUR
but underperforms the USD. Alternatively, when the market is in the mood to punish the USD, GBPoutperforms the USD but underperforms the EUR. For GBP to trade independently, we need to see a
dramatic change in the UK economy, either for the better, or for the worse. Until then, GBP will remain
trapped between a rock and a hard place.
EUR and CHF: Where core EUR might have been (pg 9)Since the onset of the sovereign debt problems, EUR and CHF have behaved very differently, which has
interesting implications for the Eurozone. Imagine the EUR had been split into two currencies in 2009,EUR-core (EUC) and EUR-periphery (EUP). These currencies would be performing very differently,
with a current EUC-USD around 1.80 and EUP-USD of perhaps 1.10. Relative competitive positions
within the Eurozone would be very different with the EUC area much less competitive.Will a new tax holiday boost the USD? (pg 15)The US economy is slowing, QE is finished and the debt ceiling issue is lingering. In recent months there
has been discussion of another Homeland Investment Act that would involve a tax break that could seeUS multinationals repatriate funds from overseas to promote investment and job creation. This could
boost the US economy and the USD, at least temporarily.
NOK has beauty, but not everyone sees it (pg 22)On all metrics that we consider the NOK is more defensive than the CHF. However, the market has been
buying the CHF in a frenzy of defensive activity whilst ignoring the NOK. We believe this is a
mispricing. Those fleeing from the EUR and the fear of any possible systemic problems would be ill
advised to rush into the CHF. It does not offer safety from a break-up scenario or any systemic problems
owing to its giant-sized banking sector. In this scenario the NOK would be less exposed than the CHF.
Dollar Bloc (pg 28)Canada CAD easily absorbs shifting BoC policy expectations We continue to see the overall
backdrop for the CAD as supportive, given still-healthy growth in emerging market economies and the
associated support that provides to commodity prices, as well as Canadas superior fiscal condition and
modestly better growth trajectory, relative to most other G10 countries. However, we are also hesitant to
view those factors as ones that are likely to drive the CAD measurably higher.
Summary
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Australia AUD still at elevated levels The set-back in RBA rate hike expectations coupled with therecent weakness in global indicators should take its toll on the AUD. The AUD remains above 1.05 for
now, but at such elevated levels we feel that the currency should retrace in the coming months.
New Zealand Recovery in swing The NZD has performed well over the past few months, with the
currency reaching fresh all-time highs on the back of rising rate expectations and positive domestic
developments. However, with the summer months bringing a number of events that could see further risk
off developments we expect a mild retracement.
Key events
Date Event
19 July BoC key policy interest rate announcement20 July BoE publishes minutes of July 6-7 meeting27 July Federal Reserve issues Beige Book28 July RBNZ rate announcement2 August RBA rate announcement4 August BoE rate announcement4 August ECB rate announcement9 August FOMC rate announcement10 August Norges Bank rate announcement10 August BoE publishes quarterly inflation report
Source: HSBC
Central Bank policy rate forecastsLast August 11(f) November 11 (f)
USD 0-0.25 0-0.25 0-0.25EUR 1.50 1.50 1.75JPY 0-0.10 0-0.10 0-0.10GBP 0.50 0.50 0.50
Source: HSBC forecasts for Fed funds, Refi rate, Overnight Call rate and Base rate
Consensus forecasts for key currencies vs USD
3 months 12 months
EUR 1.429 1.405JPY 83.14 87.85
GBP 1.628 1.664CAD 0.968 0.986AUD 1.043 0.988NZD 0.774 0.752
Source: Consensus Economics Foreign Exchange Forecasts June 2011
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GBP stuck in the middle GBP is caught in the crossfire between negative
developments surrounding the EUR and USD.
When Eurozone sovereign risk is dominating
market focus, GBP underperforms the USD but
outperforms the EUR. In this context, GBP-USD
is dragged lower because it is caught in the EURs
orbit as the UK has strong financial and trade
links to the Eurozone.
Alternatively, when the market is in the mood to
punish the USD and Eurozone sovereign risk isless in focus, GBP underperforms the EUR butoutperforms the USD by a small margin. In thissituation, EUR-GBP goes up as the ECB is stillseen trying to normalise monetary policy beforethe BoE. We believe the market has given GBP a
slight advantage versus the USD because the UK
is ahead of the curve in trying to deal with itsfiscal problem and for a period believed the BoEcould raise rates before the Fed.
To us, it is the changing dynamics of EUR andUSD that are impacting GBP rather than aspecific GBP story. For GBP to tradeindependently, we need to see a dramatic changein the UK economy either for the better or for theworse. Although we maintain a relativelypessimistic view on the UK economy, it will also
be the misfortunes of other currencies that willkeep GBP trapped in the ugly contest.
GBP between a rock and ahard place
1. GBP against a broad range of currencies has remained weak since late 2008
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Arise Sir Sterling!...Not...A persistent feature since the peak of the globalfinancial crisis is GBPs inability to rally(chart 1). When measuring GBPs performanceagainst a broad basket of currencies, it remainsnearly as weak as it did back in 2008. We havelong been cautious on GBP, believing that thelooming fiscal tightening would keep UK growthsluggish and in turn keep the currency subdued.
The issue for GBP, however, is that its directionalpull for some time has been dictated more bydevelopments in other currencies, in particular theEUR and USD. This is shown in our GBPdiffusion index below.
GBPs diffusion illusionOne way to show whether the market is overlyfocused on GBP is to look at a diffusion index.This measures the breadth of its movementsagainst a host of currencies (chart 2). Our GBP
diffusion index analyses the direction of the dailyGBP movements against 14 currencies andmeasures the proportion that are rising or fallingagainst GBP. Each currency is given an equalweight, as we are looking at the breadth of the riseor fall in GBP rather than the magnitude.
The index is scaled between 0 and 100 such that areading of zero implies that the GBP is falling
against all fourteen currencies, and a reading of
100 implies that GBP is rising against all of the
currencies. In order to extract information from
this index, we take a 20-day moving average.
GBP a sideshow to other currencies
The diffusion index has tended to move in a 35-65
range since the beginning of 2009. When periods
of significant GBP strength have occurred againsta range of currencies, it has usually been very
brief and the index has been associated with a
reading near 65. Likewise, when there have been
periods of extreme GBP weakness, the index has
briefly been below 35.
The index is currently at the rise-fall 50 level,
which means GBP has been basically rising and
falling equally against a broad range of currencies. In other words, GBP has been treated
as a sideshow to other currencies, as the market
has been fixated with EUR and USD risks. The
last time that the market was really focused on
GBP, albeit in a negative way, was around the UK
election last year. GBP has not had primacy for
2. GBP has been more of a sideshow but the lesson learned over the past couple of years is the markets focus can change quickly
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some time, but of course the risk with a weak UK
economy is that the market starts to punish GBP.
For a specific GBP event to happen now, we would
need to see a significant change in the outlook for
the economy, in either direction. However, the
long-term trends in our UK activity and inflation
surprise indices are not as dramatic as those for theUS (charts 3 and 4). The UK economy is slowly
but surely disappointing, while inflation continuesto beat expectations; but these trends are not as
pronounced as those for the US. This has been a
constant theme since April last year.
Flip flopping on UK interest ratesDespite the weak growth and high inflation storythat has been prevalent for some time, the market
has notably changed its view on UK interest rates
(chart 5). Initially it was quick to price in BoE
rates hikes as headline inflationary pressures were
rising. But it steadily became apparent to the
market that as real wages remain negatively
coupled with the disinflation impact from fiscaltightening, rates were not going to rise. In this low
inflation environment, some may consider rising
rate expectations to be associated with a stronger
3. US and UK activity surprise indices trending down 4. US and UK inflation surprises trending up
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5. The market is no longer expecting BoE rate increases this year
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GBP, and as these expectations waned, GBP
should have fallen back again.
We have shown previously how relative interestrate differentials were a powerful indicator for
GBP-USD, especially in the pre-crisis
environment. But we have also suggested that inthe post-crisis environment relative interest rates
do not provide as good a guide for GBP-USD
(chart 6).
The relationship between interest rate differentials
and GBP-USD has been breaking down over the
past couple of months, as GBP-USD should havetraded lower as UK rate expectations fell away. In
fact, if the relationship still held, then GBP-USD
should be closer to 1.55. The breakdown in this
relationship illustrates how USD-negative
dynamics dominated more than the negativeheadwinds for GBP. We have long argued that in
the post-crisis world other factors can swamp
interest rate differentials.
Our explanation for this change comes down to therelative fiscal forces at play. After all, the UK is set
to adopt aggressive fiscal tightening while the US
looks set to increase its debt ceiling yet again. Also,
with a US Presidential election next year, the
appetite to deal with the deficit in any meaningful
way is lacking. So one might expect GBP to be
dragged up against the USD, but on the other footsits the EUR, which could drag GBP down.
GBP is not immune to EurozoneconcernsLets not forget that GBP is vulnerable to
developments in the Eurozone. GBP is notimmune when we consider the UK economys
financial and trade links with the Eurozone. The
first mechanism by which problems in the
Eurozone could be negative for GBP is through
the exposure of UK banks to problem Eurozone
sovereign bonds.
According to BIS figures, UK banks hold aboutUSD 170bn of Greek, Portuguese and Irish
sovereign debt, and an additional USD 170bn of
Spanish and Italian sovereign debt (table 7). We
recognise that one needs to be careful drawing too
many conclusions from the BIS data. Nevertheless,
any fallout from Greece that triggers contagion inthe periphery will have a substantive knock-on
impact on the UK financial system.
6. Interest rate differentials suggest GBP-USD should be lower
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Meanwhile, table 8 shows that a very high
proportion of UK exports are shipped to theEurozone, with over 6% bound for Ireland alone.
With the sovereign debt problems in Europe
testing investors nerves, this does not seem like a
good time to be a trading partner relying on
Eurozone growth.
The fall in the EUR has seen Germany attack the
overseas markets with a volume expansion; this
lowers the unemployment rate and stimulates the
domestic economy. In the next section, we showthat without the peripheral economies in the EUR,
the core EUR would be trading at 1.80 or above.
The main point we are making is that Germany has
been able to capitalise on the weakness of the EUR.
The UKs response to a fall in GBP was not to
increase the volume of goods exported, but to takea value adjustment that boosted profitability.
However, the second-round impact on the
economy is small compared with a volumeexpansion that creates jobs. Perhaps that is
because the UK has not been as successful as
Germany in making and shipping goods to the
buoyant emerging market economies.
The hopes for an export-led recovery based on the
large fall in GBP in the latter half of 2008 has notpanned out. Instead, the UK recovery has been
lacklustre; and with UK exports highly exposed to
developments in the Eurozone, we do not expect a
strong pick-up anytime soon.
7. BIS consolidated foreign claims of reporting banks (USDbn)
Claims vis--vis Greece Ireland Portugal Spain Italy
France 57 30 27 141 393Germany 34 118 36 182 163Spain 1 10 85 - 31Switzerland 3 14 3 18 18UK 14 135 24 107 66USA 7 51 5 47 37Total 146 462 202 709 867
Source: HSBC, BIS
8. UK exports exposed to the Eurozone
Exports by destination 2010 Value (GBPbn) % total
US 38.0 14.3Germany 27.8 10.5Netherlands 21.3 8.0France 19.1 7.2Ireland 16.9 6.4Belgium-Luxembourg 13.6 5.1Spain 9.9 3.7Italy 8.8 3.3China 7.6 2.9Sweden 5.6 2.1Switzerland 5.2 1.9Hong Kong 4.5 1.7UAE 4.0 1.5Japan 4.3 1.6Canada 4.1 1.6
BRICs 17.5 6.6Eurozone 125.4 47.3EU-27 141.8 53.5
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What could see GBP escape the trap?There are two scenarios that could see GBP move
out of its current trapped state. One is that the UK
economy powers ahead and the fiscal situation
gets resolved this would see the UK as the role
model of how to handle the crisis. Under this
scenario, GBP could easily trade at 1.75 or above
against the USD.
The opposite scenario is the one that seems to be
playing out at present: a fiscal tightening turnsinto a slowdown. In this situation the UK is the
example of how not to do things. Here GBP-USD
could easily trade at 1.45. In the absence of either
of these scenarios playing out, fair value is between
1.55 and 1.65, and there is little reason GBP-USD
should break out on either sides of this range.
ConclusionGBP is currently stuck between a rock and a hard
place, which are negative developmentssurrounding the EUR and USD. In this
environment, GBP is less driven by a UK-specific
story, but is instead dominated by the changing
dynamics of the EUR and USD.
When markets are focused on Eurozone sovereignrisk, GBP underperforms the USD, but
outperforms the EUR. In contrast, when the
markets focus shifts to the US, GBP
underperforms the EUR, but marginallyoutperforms the USD.
Before GBP trades more independently, we
believe that there needs to be a major change in
the outlook for UK economy either for the better
or for the worse. We have a fairly pessimisticview on the UK economy, which the market has
now also come to accept. Should UK growth
deteriorate further, which is a clear risk, we couldsoon see the market paying closer attention to UK
fundamentals than elsewhere. This would not be a
good development for GBP.
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Will the SNB follow the ECB?With the ECB having raised interest rates for a
second time to 1.5% at the July 7 th meeting, marketattention is turning towards the Swiss National
Bank. Former SNB Vice President Niklaus Blattner
has said that price stability is threatened by the
expansion of the money supply and that a rate
increase would be in order also because of signs of
overheating on the property market.
As can be seen in chart 1, Swiss interest rate
policy has mirrored that seen the Eurozone formost of the past ten years. With ECB rates rising
again, it is natural that some expect the SNB to
follow suit at some point.
Relative inflation experience, however, suggests that
historical relationships in monetary policy are nolonger valid. Whilst Swiss CPI is currently 0.6%year on year, Eurozone inflation is currently 2.7%
(chart 2). Core inflation in the Eurozone is lower, at
1.5% year on year, but it is flat in Switzerland.
Currency performance is the keyThe main driving force behind this inflation
divergence is the performance of the currency.
Since the emergence of the sovereign credit
problems in the Eurozone in 2010, the EUR has
lost about 20% against the CHF, having spent
much of the previous 10 years in a 1.45-1.65
range (chart 3).
The new exchange rate environment can be seeneven more clearly in chart 4. This shows the six-
month rolling correlation of daily changes in
EUR-USD and USD-CHF. When the EUR and
EUR and CHF: where core EURmight have been
1. ECB and SNB policies have historically moved together
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CHF move together, this correlation is very high,
as it was for most of the 1999-2009 period. The
correlation did fall to some extent during the
financial crisis, but it was fully re-established
during the early part of the recovery in 2009,
before falling sharply once the sovereign creditissues emerged.
A further demonstration of the changed
relationship between EUR and CHF can be seen
in implied options volatility. As we argued in
Swiss Franc - the last safe haven, Currency
Weekly 4 th April 2011 , central bank intervention in
USD-JPY has made CHF the only viable safe
haven currency, which makes it more susceptible
to swings in risk on-risk off sentiment and
therefore more volatile. Chart 5 shows implied 3-
month EUR-CHF compared with the average of
other Euro crosses (NOK, SEK, PLN, HUF, andCZK). Until the crisis and again in 2009, EUR-
CHF volatility was below 5%. Since 2010, it has
moved above 10% and is well above the average
as other volatilities have declined.
3. EUR-CHF stability broke down in 2010
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2. Swiss and Eurozone inflation has diverged
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For Swiss monetary policy, the implications of
this new CHF behaviour can best be analysed by
using monetary conditions indices.
Monetary Conditions Index
A monetary conditions index (MCI) aims tomeasure the effect of both real interest rate changes
and exchange rate moves on the economy. If theexchange rate is strengthening then, other things
being equal, monetary conditions will be
tightening, and vice versa. An MCI can be used to
gauge whether (relative to some benchmark period)
monetary conditions are boosting or restraining the
economy by combining the effect of interest rate
and exchange rate movements.
Chart 6 shows an MCI for Switzerland using
April 2002 as a benchmark and giving an 80%
rate to changes in real interest rates and a 20%weight to changes in the effective exchange rate.
As can be seen, there was relatively little change
in the MCI between 2002 and 2009, but since then
conditions have tightened by the equivalent of
about 450bp in interest rates. This strongly
suggests that the SNB should be in no hurry to
increase interest rates.
5. EUR-CHF implied volatility is now above the European average
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4. The correlation between EUR and CHF movements has fallen sharply
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Where core EUR might have beenThe behaviour of the EUR and CHF over the past18 months and the tightening of monetaryconditions in Switzerland have interestingimplications for the Eurozone. Imagine that the
EUR had been split into two currencies in 2009,call them EUR-core (EUC) and EUR-periphery(EUP) where EUC members were those that hadno significant public sector funding problems.Given the close association between the behaviourof the Swiss economy and the German economy(chart 7), it would not be unreasonable to suggestthat EUC-CHF would have remained fairly stable.
Assuming EUC-CHF had remained at 2009 EUR-
CHF levels (1.50) this would imply a current
EUC-USD of 1.83(about 28% higher than EUR).
This would also mean EUC-JPY of 144 and EUC-GBP of 1.13.
What would be the value of EUP-USD? There are
several possible ways of estimating this. The two
simplest are shown in table 8. The first column
assumes that the current EUR is just a simple
average of the values of the hypothetical EUC and
EUP. This would mean EUP-USD of about parity.
If the EUR is a weighted average of EUC and
6. Swiss monetary conditions have tightened sharply because of currency appreciation
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7. Swiss and German economies tend to move together
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EUP then, based on approximate GDP weights
this would mean EUP-USD of about 0.65.
What would this mean for economicperformance? With a much weaker currency EUParea exports would probably have beenperforming better and fiscal consolidation mayhave been slightly easier if there was the prospectof stronger activity. Inflation in the EUC areawould probably be very subdued and the EUCcentral bank may not have felt the need to raiserates. Inflation in the EUP area would probably behigher but, rather like the UK, the impact wouldbe mostly felt on real incomes and the EUPcentral bank may also have been reluctant totighten. EUC area holder of EUP bonds would, of course, have suffered a big currency loss(assuming they were not hedged) in the same wayEUR holders of gilts did in 2007/08.
Relative competitive positions in the Eurozone
would have been very different. Chart 9 shows theBIS real effective exchange rates for Greece,
Switzerland and Germany. With higher domestic
inflation, Greeces REER has moved steadily
higher, but Germanys has fallen implying a
stronger competitive position. With a split EUR or
a situation where the peripheral Eurozone deflated
internally, Germanys REER would have been
higher and the Greek REER would have been
significantly lower. Although the financial cost of
the sovereign debt problems may be high for thecore countries, they have gained a competitiveness
boost from having a currency much less strong
than it otherwise could have been.
9. German and Greek real effective exchange rates would look very different
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ConclusionThe SNB seems very unlikely to follow the ECB
in raising rates because monetary conditions in
Switzerland have already been tightened
significantly by the strength of the CHF.
The sharp change in behaviour of EUR-CHF sincethe beginning of the Eurozone sovereign debt
problems raises the question of how a split euro
would have performed over the past eighteen
months. Assuming a core euro would haveremained relatively stable against the CHF, then
monetary conditions in the core Eurozone would
also be significantly tighter, and the central bank
would perhaps not have decided to tighten policy.
There seems little doubt that a euro-periphery
currency would by now be significantly weaker
than the EUR.
Would two EURs have been better than one? This is
impossible to say given the counter-factual nature of
the argument. The relationship between the EUR
and the CHF does, however, suggest how things
might have been different for the Eurozone.
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A new tax holiday on US
corporate earnings heldabroad?With the US economy weak, politicians are under
increasing pressure to take additional measures to
stimulate job growth. Those already-difficult
efforts are severely complicated by the more
immediate negotiations on raising the debt-ceilinglimit, due both to the time it diverts from other
matters, as well as the associated fiscal
constraints. Nonetheless, in an effort to address
the countrys economic troubles, some members
of Congress are once again advocating a tax
holiday that would allow US corporations torepatriate overseas earnings at a reduced tax rate.
This type of legislation and the associated flows
had a profound impact on the USD in 2005 as can
be seen by the circled area in chart 1.
US Representative Kevin Brady (R., Texas)introduced legislation that would allow companiesto repatriate foreign earnings at a 5.25% tax rateinstead of the current 35% rate. Not surprisingly,the legislation has strong support in the businesscommunity, and some previous politicalopponents to the proposal have recently appearedto soften their position. Hence, the FX market hasunderstandably focused in on the possibility of acorporate tax holiday and the associatedrepatriation as a potential support for the USD.
Nonetheless, as senior congressional leaders andthe White House progress in their negotiations onthe debt ceiling and the broader debt and deficitproblem, it appears that more items and proposalsare being put on the table, and we cannotcompletely discount the possibility that proposalssuch as the Brady bill will be given more seriousconsideration. Hence, some review of its detailand the potential FX implications is useful.
Will a new tax holidayboost the USD?
1. USD gains during the 2005 HIA program have peaked interest in new proposals
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Sizeable amounts of USD repatriationare estimatedAs noted, the Brady bill (H.R. 1834, titled the
Freedom to Invest Act of 2011) calls for a one-
time 85% relief in the tax burden on repatriated
foreign earnings of US corporations. There arevarying estimates on the amount of repatriation
potentially stemming from the program, ranging
from USD500bn up to USD1trln. For purposes of
comparison, we will focus on figures provided by
the bi-partisan congressional JCT, which
estimates total repatriation associated with theprogram at USD700bn. Importantly, the JCT
estimate, as well as the broader range of
USD500bn to USD1trln, are greater than the total
repatriation which stemmed from 2004 HomelandInvestment Act (HIA), also known as the
American Jobs Creation Act (AJCA). A 2008report authored by Melissa Redmiles, an
economist at the Internal Revenue Service (IRS),
estimates that total repatriation from HIA was
USD362bn, the bulk of which occurred in 2005.
This moved the USD substantially in 2005 and the
fear is it will have the same impact. We look at
this below.
USD repatriation would likely be larger today
than under the 2004-2005 HIA program
Higher estimates of repatriation for the current
proposal relative to the original HIA stem from
several factors. The Bureau of Economic Analysisreports that the foreign operations of US
corporations generate 24% of profits from overseas
operations, compared with 21% in the 2000-2009
period, and 14% in the 1990-1999 period. Both the
current level of foreign earnings and the upwardtrend in the series suggest a notably higher amountof accumulated earnings abroad relative to 2004.
2. Weak labour market pressures Washington to act
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3. 2005 HIA Repatriation by Industry
Industry USD bn
Manufacturing 289.4- Computer/Electronic 68.6 - Pharmaceutical 105.5 Wholesale and retail trade 14.7
Information 14.6Finance, insurance, real estate 13.3All others 29.8Total 361.8
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Beyond that, the economy is roughly 23% larger
today than at the end of 2004 (using nominal GDP
measures), with correspondingly larger corporate
earnings. And anecdotally, following the 2004-2005
HIA experience, there may well now be sometendency for corporations to accumulate earnings
overseas in anticipation of another tax holiday.
In order to assess the potential impact of those
flows on the FX market, we should consider them
in the context of the change in total FX volumes
between 2004 and the present. According to the
2004 BIS Triennial Central Bank Survey, the totaldaily volume of spot and outright forward
transactions combined was USD840bn at that
time. The same survey in 2010 showed the total
daily volume of spot and outright forwards wasUSD1.965trn, some 2.3 times greater than in 2004.
The working assumption on the potential
repatriation in the new proposal of USD700bn is
1.93 times greater than the USD362 of actualrepatriation in 2005 cited in the Redmiles IRS
report, leaving it roughly near the change in
overall FX volumes that has occurred over the
same time. Hence, some may conclude the spot
impact of repatriation coming into the FX marketnow could well be similar to that in 2005. And
while we are primarily referencing the JCT
estimate of potential repatriation, the wider rangeof estimates (USD500bn to USD1trn) leave some
level of uncertainty in this process.
The geographic distribution of 2005
repatriation is instructive
The Redmiles IRS report also breaks downgeographically the primary sources of the funds
repatriated under the HIA program, accounting for
roughly three-quarters of the total flows. Among
those, Eurozone countries dominate the list (the
Netherlands, Ireland and Luxembourg are
specifically cited), accounting for 40.7% of thetotal USD362bn in flows. Other key sources were
Switzerland at 9.9%, Canada at 7.1% and the UK
at 6.2% (chart 4). While shifting dynamics in the
global economy and, in some cases, changes inlocal tax structures may have resulted in some
changes today relative to 2004, those figures
provide some reasonable basis for estimating the
sources of repatriation going forward.
Overseas earnings most likely to be held in
local currencies
There is also the potential that some portion of the
accumulated earnings being held abroad may
already be in USD. This is difficult to estimate andthe data is not readily available. However, assessing
the matter from an accounting perspective, we think
4. 2005 HIA Repatriation by country, as a percent of total repatriation
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that most foreign subsidiaries of US corporations are
local currency functional (that is, their books are not
in USD); holding USD would create income
statement volatility at the local level, which would
be undesirable. Hedging these USD balances via FX
derivative contracts introduces hedging costs, alongwith the additional administrative demands of
managing a hedging program (rolling hedges, risk
reporting, disclosure, etc.). Hence, US multinationals
are more likely to hold the local currency, where the
yields locally will likely be higher than those of
USD paper. There are some corporations which have
global USD functional subsidiaries, but they are in
the minority. Viewed in that manner, it suggests that
a majority of these holdings are in local currency and
not in USD.Estimating potential future repatriationUsing the 2004-05 HIA example, and
extrapolating that out into current estimates,
generates some reasonably sized USD
purchases/foreign currency sales, including:
USD 285bn in EUR-USD
USD 70bn in USD-CHF
USD 50bn in USD-CAD
USD 43bn in GBP-USD
On the surface, those figures appear to be fairly
small compared with total volumes in the FX
market. Not only are those sums a fraction of the
~USD 2trn in daily volumes in the FX market
(spot and forward outright transactions), but the
potential repatriation flows would be spread outover a period of time, further diluting their impact
on exchange rates. Moreover, some may want to
make a modest downward adjustment to these
figures to account for some portion being held in
USD notwithstanding that we think the bulk of
the funds are held in foreign currencies.
The 2005 USD rally had severalsourcesRecall during the 2005 HIA experience, forecasts
for total USD purchases relative to the size of the
FX market were fairly small, and the estimated
impact on the USD was also thought to be limited.
But as it happened, the USD performed well
during 2005, generating a strong counter-trend in
the midst of its broader 2002-2008 decline. There
were several factors supporting the USD in 2005,
a key development being stronger-than-expectedUS growth, accompanied by a more aggressive
Fed tightening trajectory. In addition, with the
USD having fallen sharply and fairly consistently
in the 2002-2004 period, corrective forces within
5. 2005 HIA Repatriation by country, and estimates for the newly proposed tax holiday
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the broader downtrend also worked to the
currencys advantage. And within that broaderdynamic, additional HIA-related inflows also
contributed to the USDs gains.
2005 vs. today: some similarities, butmore differencesThere are some similarities, but seemingly more
differences, in the FX market and the global
economy today relative to six years ago. Oneimportant similarity is that the USD is trading at
relatively weak levels. The Dollar Index is
currently trading near three-year lows, albeit near
the bottom of the three-year range, rather than
having essentially moved straight down for the
past three years, as was the case from 2002 to2004. Another similarity is that the expected USD
repatriation from a new tax holiday on foreign
earnings would be small relative to total FX
market volumes. That was the case in 2005, butthe USD still performed well.
The differences now are most glaring in terms of US
and global growth, and as well as in the role that risk
appetite has on the FX market. Clearly, economic
growth rates in the US and other developedeconomies are well below those which prevailed six
years ago, i.e., pre-crisis. And because of factors
such as the severe debt overhang and clogged credit
channels, the prospect of a US-growth-led boost tothe USD seems very low at this stage. The
importance of risk appetite and the risk on-risk off
(RORO) dynamic, which remains a key feature in
financial markets, is a further complicating
condition. In essence, the ongoing shifts in risk
appetite have and can continue to overwhelmtraditional fundamentals as drivers for currencies.
Repatriated funds as economicstimulusBut importantly as well, there is also the concept
that capital inflows stemming from the proposedtax holiday could act as stimulus for the broader
economy. Indeed, that is the primary rationalesupporting the proposal. Along those same lines,
some analysts are even likening it to another
round of Fed quantitative easing, with potentially
even greater benefits as the repatriated fundswould go directly to corporations and theoretically
trickle down to the rest of the economy, rather than
remain concentrated as excess liquidity in the
banking and financial system.
Those are issues for economists to debate. But if itwere to actually develop in that manner and
support US growth, this would theoretically be
6. Cyclical forces were big factors in the USDs 2005 rally
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USD supportive. But there are several good
reasons to be sceptical of such rationale. First, in a
RORO world, better US economic growth is
positive for risk appetite in a manner that tends to
work against, rather than for, the USD. Similarly,if the effects were similar to those of Fed QE, the
added liquidity and boost to risk appetite have
proven to be USD-bearish in recent years. Finally,
because the original HIA program was generallynot deemed as having generated broad economic
benefit (it primarily was seen as helping
individual corporations and their shareholders),
the notion that a new tax holiday will support
growth now is far from assured.
Balancing those factors against one another, we
are sceptical that a new tax holiday on foreign
earnings would provide sustained support for the
USD. That does not preclude the potential for
some temporary gains in the currency, as markets
may anticipate the flows and/or as they actually
occur. But the limited size of the flows in relation
to the FX market, the weak cyclical position of
the US and associated accommodative Fed policystance, and the exceedingly poor fiscal backdrop
in the US, are factors that suggest to us that a
repatriation-related boost to the USD will be
difficult indeed.
Congressional passage appearsunlikely for nowOf course, key to all of this is getting the current
bill moved into law, and that appears to face someserious headwinds. In general terms, Democrats in
Congress tend to oppose the bill because they feel
it will primarily support large corporations and
their shareholders, with few obvious benefits for
the middle class and/or broader economy. They
cite the lack of trickle down effects from the
2004-2005 HIA program as evidence of such.
Moreover, with the JCT estimating the cost of thecurrent legislation at USD78bn over 10 years,
both Democrats and Republicans will have aseriously difficult time supporting the legislation
during a period when fiscal considerations and
constraints are so severe.
It is also the case that the immediate and
overwhelming focus in Washington is on the debt-
ceiling negotiations, and that issue is precluding
debate and consideration of most other items. Inaddition, any discussion of changes in the broader
tax regime taking place in the context of the debt-
ceiling negotiations are focused more on
7. Congress under pressure to improve the economy
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comprehensive tax reform, which would entailboth individual and corporate tax policies. The
Brady bill, a one-time tax holiday, is not
consistent with those efforts (it essentially creates
another tax loophole), which also creates
impediments to its passage.
Bill sponsors understand these hurdles andcurrently remain focused on the more immediate
debt ceiling issue. They will attempt to garner
more support for the legislation in the comingmonths and make a stronger push for it in the
autumn. There are a few factors that maintain
some scope for this bill to move forward,including the dire state of the economy/labor
market and the ensuing need for politicians to be
seen as addressing it, as well as the notion that
all things are on the table in the current debt-
ceiling negotiations. But, based on current
priorities in Washington, and the increasing
importance of fiscal consolidation to both parties,it seems very unlikely that this bill will become
law in the immediate future, and its prospects for
passing at a later date also appear limited.
Conclusion Not a slam dunk for theUSDEfforts to implement a tax holiday for US
corporations to repatriate foreign earnings havepicked up some momentum recently as Congress
feels pressured to respond to ongoing weakness in
the economy. The FX market has understandably
taken interest in these proceedings, given the
potential for the USD to benefit from repatriation
flows. While the overall amount of expectedrepatriation stemming from the proposal is small
relative to total flows in the FX market, that was
also the case during the 2004-2005 HIA episode,
and the USD appreciated notably during the period.
However, current conditions in the US and globaleconomy, as well as the drivers in the FX market,
are different now, making it more difficult for the
USD to benefit from repatriation flows in the same
way it did in 2005. Moreover, the current legislationfaces fairly stiff resistance in Congress at this stage,
and appears unlikely to progress into law. Still, with
many items being considered in the current debt-
ceiling negotiations, and pressure on Congress to
address ongoing economic weakness, efforts to
promote the tax holiday will continue on CapitolHill, and in so doing they will continue to garner the
attention of the FX market.
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Why CHF and not the NOK?The markets love affair with the CHF continues.
As the Arab spring and the Eurozone crisis
intensified, it made sense that the ultra-defensive
CHF would do well. In fact, when the G7
intervened in the JPY, we assumed that by
limiting the upside on the other defensivecurrency, the JPY, further upward pressure would
be exerted on the CHF. Closing the door on the
JPY meant that the much less liquid CHF wouldhave to bear most of the defensive flows.
Now we find ourselves asking why this squeeze
into CHF has not spilt over to what we would see
as an even better defensive play, namely theNOK. We look at a host of defensive indicators
and try to ascertain why the market has not
pushed some of the excess liquidity into the NOK.
It seems strange to us that since the beginning of the year the NOK has been trading as a proxy for
the EUR, with EUR-NOK trading in a tight 3%
range (chart 1). However, the NOK and the
Eurozone have little in common, and in our view
the NOK looks very undervalued versus the CHF.
We would advise switching out of CHF into NOK.
Inflation and rates a score drawOn the rates and inflation front there is barely a
cigarette paper between the two economies. In an
environment of nominal returns the NOK justabout pips the CHF. The Norges Bank started
raising rates at the tail end of 2009 and they
currently stand at 2.25%, whereas CHF rates are
stuck at a mere 0.25%. Even in real terms the
NOK comes out on top. CHF inflation is 0.4%
giving a negative real return of 0.15%, whereas
NOK has beauty, but noteveryone sees it
1. Since the beginning of the year EUR-NOK has traded in a tight range
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NOK has a real positive return of 0.65%. So, if
one were to hold the currency in a real deposit
account, the NOK pips the CHF.
Of course, if one wants to move into local equities
then the CHF offers more liquidity. TheNorwegian equity market, the OBX, has a marketcap of a mere ~EUR 163bn (NOK1.27trn) versusthe SMI Swiss equity market of ~EUR 675bn(CHF800bn), some four times larger. In terms of performance, they are both down around 5% thisyear. Having said that, this does raise thequestion: if you are going into the CHF fordefensive reasons why buy an asset class that
counteracts those defensive qualities? Thus therelative size of the equity markets does notexplain the rally in the CHF relative to the NOK.
Budgets and Current Account NOK
winsOn the budget and current account front there islittle contest. The Swiss budgetary position hasimproved, and they are expecting a surplus in2011, which in a global context is quite the result.Compared to many of their G10 counterparts, thisputs the CHF in an excellent position. However,when comparing this with the Norwegian
3. Norways excellent budgetary position outshines the strong Swiss position
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budgetary position, an embarrassment of richesbecomes apparent Norway, helped by oil, has anexcellent budget surplus.
So, from this perspective, it is not difficult tounderstand why the CHF has been one of the bestperforming currencies this year. However, it ishard to explain why the NOK has lagged theCHF. It is even harder to explain why the NOKhas been so closely tied in with the EUR (seechart 1). From a budgetary situation Norway andthe Eurozone are like chalk and cheese.
Looking at gross debt to GDP ratios, which theIMF defines as all liabilities that require paymentor payments of interest and/or principal by thedebtor to the creditor at a date or dates in thefuture, Switzerland and Norway appear equals.
Both countries have gross debt to GDP ratios of around 50%; this is very positive and is half thelevel of many countries and a quarter of the sizeof Japans (chart 4). However, if we take intoaccount net debt to GDP, which the IMFcalculates as gross debt minus financial assetscorresponding to debt instruments 1, Norway is theclear outperformer.
1 These financial assets are: monetary gold and SDRs,currency and deposits, debt securities, loans, insurance,
pension, and standardized guarantee schemes, and other accounts receivable.
While Switzerland maintains its strong position,
Norway is in a league of its own as its net debt to
GDP is a surplus of over 150% (chart 5). Thereason that Norways net debt to GDP ratio is so
much better than its gross level is largely due to
the Norwegian Government Pension Fund
(discussed later).
This is absolutely incredible and shows why the
NOK should not be trading in a tight range
against the EUR. Lastly, when we look at current
accounts, both Switzerland and Norway have
fantastic surpluses (chart 6).
CHF is marvellous but NOK is spectacular
So there is no doubt that the budgetary position,
debt to GDP, and current accounts of Switzerland
put it in a fantastic position relative to many
countries in the world. These statistics underlie
the defensive stability of the CHF. For this reasonsome are still happy to buy the CHF, despite it
being one of the most over-valued currencies in
the world on an OECD PPP basis.
In particular, those looking for protection from
any break-up scenario, or any other possible
disaster scenario that may befall the EUR, are
obviously looking for value preservation and are
therefore still happy to buy the CHF despite thesomewhat tenuous FX valuation metrics.
4. Switzerland and Norway as equals... 5. but Norways net debt to GDP ratio is a clear winner
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On an OECD PPP basis the NOK is not that far
behind the CHF as both are equally over-valuedcurrencies ~+40%. However, with the metrics
shown above, we would far prefer to hold the
NOK than the CHF. Meanwhile, these metrics
also beg the question of why the AUD is as
equally overvalued. On this basis we would rather
own either NOK or CHF rather than the AUD.
Liquidity argument cuts both ways
One often cited reason why the NOK has not
performed as well as the CHF is that the CHF
offers greater liquidity. However, we would turn
the argument on its head. We would argue that, in
a world of excess liquidity that is looking for a
defensive home, the less the liquidity the greaterthe move. We used this argument to justify why
post the JPY intervention the CHF would be
squeezed higher. That is, when the G7 shut the
door on the USD300bn a day spot yen market, thedefensive money would have to squeeze into the
USD92bn a day CHF spot market. This argument
seemed to work well. However, the spot NOK
market according to the BIS is ~USD12bn a day.
Hence it would take a lot less money flowing into
the NOK to push the currency higher. Thus, withthe market looking for a defensive home it caused
the CHF to rise and this has indeed been the case;
but it should have also seen the even less liquid
NOK rise at even faster pace. This has not been
the case as the NOK has underperformed the CHF
over recent months (chart 7). This then continues
to raise the question as to why the market shunned
the defensive properties of the NOK in favour of
the CHF.
CHF Banks versus Petroleum fundsholding of EUR assetsThe size of the two biggest Swiss banks relative to
GDP is some 300%. The Swiss problems with
their banking system during the crisis led some tobelieve that the CHF was losing its safe-haven
status. For a while this seemed true. However, it
would seem the memories of that particular issueremain in the Eurozone but not in Switzerland.
Swiss exposure to Eurozone
According to the BIS data Swiss banks exposure
to Greece, for example, are a mere USD3bn; and
to Greece, Ireland, Portugal, Spain and Italycombined is USD56bn, about the same size as
French banking exposure to Greece alone. Of the
USD56bn about 50% of claims are against banks
and the private sector and roughly 20% of claimsagainst sovereigns are secured with guarantees
and collateral. Nevertheless, if one is buying CHF
6. Swiss and Norwegian current accounts both show large surpluses
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for protection against a disaster scenario of a
banking crisis or a Eurozone break up, one has toask how the CHF banks could remain immune to
systemic contagion.
According to the SNB stability report, at the end of 2010 the total assets of the Swiss banking sector
amounted to CHF 3,582 billion, which is more than
six times the annual gross domestic product (GDP)
of Switzerland. Furthermore they say the two bigbanks UBS and Credit Suisse account for two-
thirds of total assets, which is roughly four times
Swiss GDP. Compared with the other G10
countries, the ratio of the two biggest banks assets
to GDP is highest in Switzerland.
Although the direct exposure to the periphery is
small, the Swiss authorities continue to worry
about contagion effects. In fact, they believecredit and market risk, amplified by potential
contagion effects from the sovereign debt crisis in
the peripheral euro area, would constitute the
most important source of risk for these banks
under the adverse scenario. In fact, they say: The
potential losses under this scenario would besubstantial. It should be noted, however, that a
resurgence of problems in the euro area periphery
is exactly one of the potential triggers for the
adverse scenario. Therefore, the impact of direct
exposures to the peripheral euro area must be
considered in a broader sense, where the two big
banks would also be affected by credit and marketlosses caused by an overall deterioration of the
economic and financial market situation.
This raises the question of why buy the CHF if
one is worried about a major problem in the
Eurozone and the associated problems this would
cause in the banking system. On this front the
CHF does not offer protection at all.
So, from a pure currency perspective, it seems to
make sense to buy and own NOK. Here one wouldhave a currency that would be immune from both a
banking crisis and a euro break-up scenario.
Norway owns a lot of Eurozone assets as well
Although there are some concerns about the links
of Swiss banks exposure to the Eurozone, whatabout Norways Government Pension Fund
(GPF), which owns a lot of Eurozone assets? It
makes sense to look at the GPF given Norwegian
banks are comparatively small compared to Swiss
banks. As background, the GPF has
approximately USD600bn (NOK3.1trn) assetsunder management, which is nearly 50% larger
than Norways economy.
7 The NOK has underperformed the CHF over the past couple of months as Greece becomes a worry again
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Just like Switzerland, whose banks are a multiple
of GDP, the GPF is a multiple of GDP, albeit
smaller. From a currency perspective, around 80%
of the GPFs assets are denominated in EUR,
GBP, JPY and USD.
The funds asset mix is about 60% equities and
between 35 and 40% in fixed income. Nearly 30%of the equity holdings are held in Europe whilst
nearly 60% of the fixed income investments are
European paper. So, the exposure to Europe viaits assets holdings is substantial.
That said, the direct holdings of sovereign
government bonds in the peripheral part of Europe
are small. For instance, the holdings of Spain,
Greece, Ireland and Portugal government bonds
are a little over USD6bn or a mere 1% of its
portfolio. The GPF also holds a substantial
portion of Eurozone banks bonds and equities,
which would feel the strain from contagion. Do
we have the same potential problem as Switzerland
where the direct exposure is small but the indirect
exposure is large? We would argue no.
The difference is that one is a fund where it can
absorb losses without a material impact on the
economy and the banking system. The same
cannot be said for Switzerland. Those worriedabout a European break-up and systemic banking
problems that rushed into the CHF should, for all
intents and purposes, have their holdings in NOK.
Conclusion Switch out of CHF andinto NOKThe market has fled into the CHF as the key
defensive currency of choice. We too have
advocated the CHF, especially following thecoordinated intervention against the JPY in
March. But we believe the market is overlookingsome key risks for the CHF if significant stress
emerges from the Eurozone. The reason being that
Switzerlands indirect exposure to the Eurozone is
very high. The SNB alluded to the problems for
Swiss banks from the Eurozone under a very
adverse scenario.
When we look at a range of measures, we find the
CHF is a fantastic currency versus the USD, EUR,GBP and JPY. But on all these metrics the NOK
is in an even sounder position and should be
considered in a league of its own. Moreover, the
NOK has traded in a narrow range versus the
EUR and should be making substantive headway.
Those that have sought solace in the CHF shouldtake a closer look at the NOK.
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8. Switzerland has an outstandingly large banking sector
Size of the banking sector (ratio of totalassets to annual GDP)
Size of the largest banks (ratio of totalassets to annual GDP)
Belgium* 3.2 2.6Canada 2.2 0.8France* 3.2 1.9Germany* 3.4 1.1Italy* 1.6 1.0Japan 2.0 0.6Netherlands* 4.4 3.3Sweden* 3.5 2.2Switzerland 6.6 4.3United Kingdom* 7.0 2.5United States 1.1 0.3
* Banking sector figures as at end of June 2010
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CAD easily absorbs shiftingBoC policy expectationsWhile there have been further developments and
changes in Canadas economy and the centralbank policy outlook, USD-CAD continues to hold
in the approximate 5-cent range in which it has
trade since the beginning of this year. We
continue to see the overall backdrop for the CAD
as supportive, given still-healthy growth in
emerging market economies and the associatedsupport that provides to commodity prices, as well
as Canadas superior fiscal condition and
modestly better growth trajectory, relative to most
other G10 countries. But we are also hesitant to
view those factors, or more recent cyclical
developments, as ones that are likely to drive the
CAD measurably higher.
On May 31, the Bank of Canada altered thelanguage in its policy statement, signaling that
some of the considerable policy stimulus
currently in place will eventually be withdrawn.
Even so, we observed at the time that despite the
seeming increase in the scope for a summer rate
hike by the BOC, the CAD would have troublebenefitting from such an event, partly because
some amount of tightening was already priced
into the curve, but more because the currency was
already trading at relatively high levels.
Challenging backdrop
In the weeks that followed, the Canadian data
flow was reasonably good, better readings on
indicators such as employment and the PMI were
countered by disappointing outcomes ininternational trade and labor productivity. But
more importantly, the international backdrop
deteriorated in a manner that clearly got theattention of Canadas policy makers. The most
dramatic events stemmed from the Eurozone
sovereign debt crisis, and the ripple effects that
could have on the global economy.
In addition, the soft patch which had developed in
the US economy since the spring persisted and
threatened to evolve into an outright slowdown.Most obvious in that regard was, and continues to
be, the deterioration in the labor market, with job
growth remaining anemic, and the unemployment
rate rising from 8.8% in March up to 9.2% in June.
More dovish BoC
Against that backdrop, BoC Gov. Carney, incomments on June 24, observed that Canadas
economy faced substantial headwinds and thatmonetary policy may still need to be stimulative
in order to close the output gap and in order to get
inflation back on target. So while the signal in
the May 31 policy statement was presumably
designed to prepare the market for the eventual
normalization in policy, Carneys subsequent
comments in late-June were notably more dovish.
As it happened, front-end Canadian yields hadalready been falling in the run-up to Carneys
June 24 remarks, as markets became increasinglyaware of the downside risks to growth. The
implied yield on the March 2012 BA future fell 25
bp between May 21 and June 24, and that was part
of the broader 68bp decline from the April peak
2.23% to the low in late June of 1.55%.
That helped US-Canada yield spreads narrow
roughly 50 bp since April, reducing some of thecarry appeal of the CAD. On balance, USD-
CAD has correlated reasonably well with
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developments in the yield spread over the past
year, although the larger magnitude of the rise in
the spread in the past few months might have beenexpected to see the exchange rate rise more than it
did, if recent history was any guide. But in that
regard, we would make several observations.First, there were several periods over the past year
where the volatility in the spread exceeded that in
the exchange rate, and that has developed againmore recently. Second, even with the spread
narrowing, Canadian yields are still roughly a full
percentage point higher at that term (3-month
rates in March 2012), keeping some carry in
place for the CAD.
Several sources of support
Beyond the yield-related considerations, there are
other, mostly familiar, factors that are also
favoring the CAD. While commodity prices have
pulled back from their recent highs, many remain
at elevated levels. Although growth in somedeveloped economies has stumbled, growth in
emerging market economies continues to hold up
well, suggesting that EM-led demand for
commodities will persist, maintaining a source of
support for the CAD.
Also on the EM theme, reserve managers continue
to intervene to limit appreciation in their own
currencies, accumulating USD in the process. And
that supports the cycle of reserve manager USD
diversification, which continues to weigh on the
greenback more broadly, and support currencies
such as the CAD.
Developments in US growth specifically continue
to be important for the CAD, given the Canadian
economys sensitivity to that in the US. Hence, if
the current soft patch in US growth were to
persist or intensify, it could present moreimmediate risks to Canadian growth. Indeed, this
is one factor we think will keep the Bank of
Canada sidelined at the July policy
announcement. And it may also present more
direct risks to the CAD, particularly if markets
begin to see more pronounced weakness in theCanadian economic data. That said, we would
note that the US economic soft patch from last
summer through the autumn was generally
accompanied by an appreciating CAD versus the
USD. Of course, the fact that the Bank of Canada
was tightening policy during part of that period
did not hurt either. But the CADs resilience in
the face of US economic weakness in the recent
past was notable.
1. Shift in US-Canada yield spreads reduces the CADs interest rate cushion
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ConclusionIn the more immediate term, scheduled key events
for the CAD are the aforementioned BoC policy
statement on July, followed by readings on
inflation, retail sales, monthly GDP and
employment in the days and weeks afterwards.
And unscheduled events, such as the type that
influence risk appetite, could be equallyimportant, if not more so. But amid all of that, our
outlook for the CAD remains pretty consistent.
Essentially, we see limited additional upside for
the CAD versus the USD, primarily because with
USD-CAD approaching 0.9500, there is already a
lot of good news priced into the loonie. That does
not preclude the CAD from remaining strong if
the favorable conditions cited above persist (or
falling if they dont), but we remain skeptical that
the currency can register further gains from here.
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AUD still at elevated levelsThe AUD has remained resilient despite a number
of threats that could have harmed the currency,
including the recent downgrade of some
Australian banks and fears of a China slowdown.
However, the shocking US non-farm payrolls
print that has already weighed on the AUD, may
just be the first of a series of risk off events that
could cause the currency to retrace. To call the US
labour market statistics disappointing is anunderstatement, and the report has not only
continued the trend of weaker US activity data in
recent months, but suggests an intensification of
the economic "soft patch" in a manner that could
well lead to additional calls on the Fed to takemore action. As the AUD remains exposed to
global events as a result of the ongoing risk on
risk off phenomenon, the AUD looks vulnerable.
Tightening cycle to be more elongated
On the domestic front, the strength of the AUD also
looks overdone as the RBA are likely to keep rates
on hold for longer than previously thought. While
Australian employment has continued to rise
modestly, as have retail sales, the Australian
consumer and business confidence indices havefallen. Indeed, consumer confidence is now at its
lowest level since June 2009 (chart 1). Our
Australian economist, Paul Bloxham, believes this
weakness is temporary partly due to the much
maligned carbon tax and also unrest in Greece,which was prominent in the media in Australia.
Nonetheless, the RBA are likely to continue with
their wait and see approach. With the Australian
activity surprise index also trending down (chart 2)an August tightening seems far less likely.
Markets have responded to recent developments
by pricing in easing by the RBA. We think this is
overdone and partly reflects global investors using
the Australian bond market to buy insuranceagainst the possibility of a large negative global
financial event triggered by European
developments. We think the chance of an RBAcut is very small.
We continue to expect the next RBA move to be
up, but are pushing back the timing of our call
from August to Q4, with a more elongated
tightening cycle of another 50bp to follow through
2012. We expect the cash rate to reach 5.50% by
Q4 2012.
The bottom line is that even with an elevated CPI
print on 27th July we still expect a 0.8% rise the RBA will probably need more time to let the
smoke clear before they respond. The fragile
global financial situation and weak local
confidence will keep them sitting on their hands.
1. Consumer sentiment takes a tumble 2. Australia activity surprise index trending down
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AUD game changerThe set-back in RBA rate-hike expectations,
coupled with the recent weakness in global
indicators, should also take its toll on the AUD.
The US non-farm payrolls release may prove to
be a tipping point as risk off makes a strong
comeback. The AUD fell aggressively in the
aftermath of the report and, while the RBA had
hoped that the downturn in global growth wastemporary, this report will start to raise questions
about whether global weakness could persist. TheAUD remains above 1.05 for now, but at such
elevated levels we feel that the currency should
retrace in the coming months.
New Zealand Recovery in full swing
The New Zealand economy is finally recovering,
after a long period of economic malaise and some
false starts. The economy has been weak since
early 2008, so its well overdue for a pick-up.
Prospects for growth in H2 are strong on the back
of high meat and dairy prices, which are boosting
incomes and rural investment; the Rugby World
Cup, with 85,000 visitors expected in September
and October; and the rebuilding and repair of the
quake-damaged Canterbury region, with 8% of
GDP to be spent over coming years. We havelong thought the quakes impact would be
geographically contained and that H2 2011 would
be strong, so our GDP forecasts were alreadyquite high the highest in the consensus survey
so we have left them unchanged this quarter. We
still expect GDP growth of 1.7% in 2011 and
4.3% in 2012.
Inflation pressures are expected to build and,
somewhat worryingly, inflation expectations have
already risen to the top of the RBNZs comfort
zone. We continue to expect inflation to hold
above the RBNZs target band well into 2012(chart 3).
Time to tighten
Time will tell if Marchs rate cut in response tothe quake was a policy error we think it mayhave been. While the RBNZ kept the cash rate onhold at 2.50% in their latest meeting, the post-meeting statement was more hawkish than themarket expected, with the Governor shifting histone from rates on hold for some time to rates
are on hold for now. The more hawkish tonesent NZD-USD as high as 0.83 (chart 4). Themore upbeat tone from the Governor and risinginflation expectations suggests a policy reversal isto come sooner rather than later.
We continue to expect the next hike to come in
Q4 this year, but the risk is for an earlier move.
Over a longer time frame, we still expect 175bp
by end 2012, but see upside risks to inflation that
3. Inflation continues on upward path 4. NZD-USD hitting highs
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2.0
3.0
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5.0
6.0
Mar-01 Mar-03 Mar-05 Mar-07 Mar-09 Mar-110.0
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3.0
4.0
5.0
6.0New Zealand CPI% %
RBNZ targetband
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0.9
Jan-01 Jan-03 Jan-05 Jan-07 Jan-09 Jan-110.3
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0.9NZD-USD
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could see more aggressive rate hikes needednext year.
Risk off to weigh on the Kiwi
The NZD has performed well over the last few
months, with the currency reaching fresh all-time
highs on the back of rising rate expectations and
positive domestic developments. The recent talk of the potential for more QE by the Fed has also
pushed the currency higher. However, as the
dominant driver of the currency continues to bethe fluctuations between risk on and risk off,
and while QE3 in the US may be a temporary
support, the fact that the US economy isperforming so poorly is likely to weigh on risk
and harm the NZD. Therefore, in the medium
term we continue to expect the currency to
retrace. The summer months also bring a number
of events that could see further risk off
developments. In particular, focus will be on the
US debt-ceiling issue; but with troubles in theEurozone periphery still lingering and contagion
fears spreading to the likes of Italy, the markets
appetite for risk is likely to be curtailed and thiswill weigh on the NZD in the months to come.
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EUR-CHF Switzerland: The markets love affair with CHF continues
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The ongoing Eurozone crisis keeps sending CHF to new recordhighs against the EUR as the market rushes to the perceivedsafety of the ultra-defensive currency. We expect the CHF tocontinue to appreciate in the current environment, and considerCHF as a fantastic currency versus the G4 currencies.However, it seems the market is overlooking key risks for theCHF if the Eurozone crisis deteriorates. It makes little sense tobuy CHF if fleeing from fears of systemic problems or a breakup scenario, due to Switzerlands giant sized banking sector. The SNB kept rates on hold at 0.25% in June and madeseveral dovish remarks regarding the Swiss economic outlook.The CHF ascent is perceived as a key threat to exports andgrowth. Inflationary pressures remain benign, and we do notexpect a rate hike until Q1 2012. While we believe the CHF willstay strong for now, our preferred call in a risk-off environmentis the NOK.
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EUR-NOK Norway: NOK has beauty, but not everyone sees it
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EUR-SEK Sweden: Sensitive to risk off but fundamentally sound
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The SEK has stabilised versus the EUR in recent weeks, butwe maintain there is room for the currency to strengthen,especially if global risk appetite improves. Recent economicindicators still point to robust growth in the Swedish economy,implying the need for additional rate hikes by the Riksbank. The Riksbank last raised its policy rate to 2.00% on 5 July, butthe policy rate remains low by historical standards. We expectthe key rate to be increased by another 50bps this year.However, this is contingent on labour-market conditionsremaining strong and on external conditions, in particularwhether sovereign risk within the Eurozone intensifies. Further rate increases should support the SEK but the positivestory for the currency is broader than just expected rateincreases. Like the NOK, the SEK also stands to benefit frombeing a country with relatively sound fiscal and current accountbalances. Key events released in the coming weeks include Q2GDP on 29 July and CPI on 11 August.
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Relatively more attractiveWe continue to believe that Asian currencies offer
good value over the medium-term. However, with
debt issues in the developed world continuing tofester and ove