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The SAL Standard • December 2012 www.southernamateurleague.co.uk/standard

Volume 1 • Issue 4 December 2012 Editor: A. Copeland

IN THIS ISSUE

Editorial

Ibis

Liam Angell

Pitch Talk

David Ryland

Around the Clubs

Quiz Time

AFA Update

HAVE YOUR SAY

If you would like to contribute to the

SAL Standard please email the editor,

Andy Copeland.

We will be looking to develop a

Letters to the Editor column where

you can have your say on all things

football (hopefully centred on the SAL)

or you can submit photographs or

articles of your own.

All submissions should be sent to:

[email protected]

So here it is, Merry Christmas! Everybody’s having fun. Eat and be merry

now and then go for a run... I’ll get me coat.

Well I had to have a pop at some sort of festive ditty as we skid and slide

into the festive period. I hope you all get the new football boots you want

for Christmas. My favourite football-related Christmas present was a

Watford Subbuteo team in about 1986. I’ve never supported Watford but I

loved their kit with the read and black band across the chest. I used to

white wash my players with TippEx in order to create new teams which

worked OK for a while but they all ended up looking rather ‘lower XI’

with their chunky physiques. Come to think of it, it was quite cathartic

chiselling it all off again with a screw driver...

For those who don’t understand all the fuss and wish that football would

just keep on going, keep an eye on the website for any festive period

football matches. I know Finchleians 4s and 5s are in action on the 22nd

for starters.

Without further ado, I bid you Happy Christmas and Merry New Year!

WINTER FOOTBALL BETWEEN IBIS AND CIVIL SERVICE

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Well before I start rambling and

ranting I must issue a huge thank

you to Nigel Chamberlain of

Norsemen and former League

Management Committee Member

for submitted the first (and only)

Letter to the Editor.

Nigel wrote in response to my last

editorial which talked about SAL

clubs in the FA Vase. He recalls

Norsemen’s exploits in the

competition during his tenure as

club secretary and the friends they

made along the way.

Andy,

I have enjoyed reading the magazine and am appreciative of

the enormous amount of work that you are putting into it.

Your article about the F.A Vase brought back memories of

when the Norsemen used to enter regularly in the early 80's. I

was Secretary at the time and most years we would get

through a couple of rounds and generally only were beaten

because sides were fitter and better organized than ourselves.

In our best year we were drawn in the first round at home to

local Athenian League side Haringey Borough. For the first

game all our teams were playing so the game was watched by

a few retired members and some rather nerdish programme

collectors anxious to add us to their collections. The game

finished 0‒0 and the replay was held under floodlights a few

days later.

On the day all our lower team players turned out in strength

and our supporters numbered in excess of 100 to the

amazement of their secretary who could not understand

where they all were the previous Saturday. We won the replay

4‒0 and the opposition ended up with two sendings off and

numerous bookings. The referee – who was from the Army

F.A. – did not take any nonsense and congratulated us at the

final whistle on not receiving any cautions.

In the next round we were drawn away to Kempston of the

United Counties League and beat them fairly easily. The draw

was made for the next round and unbelievably was set for

New Year’s Day! The first I heard of the draw was when my

secretary told me that I had a call on the line from Radio

Editorial Andy Copeland

THE EDITOR: ANDY COPELAND

Ipswich who advised that we had been drawn at home to

Brantham of the Eastern Counties League and who the hell

were we?

Two days before the game I had a call from the manager of

Brantham who told me he was coming up to London with his

wife on New Year’s Eve and could I tell him a good place to

spend the evening. As it so happened I had been invited to a

party by a fellow Norseman so I invited them to join us and a

good and friendly evening was had by all.

Despite hangovers the game took place the following day with

around 250 people watching including somebody from Radio

Ipswich who was reporting the latest score live from our

ground. Brantham won the game 2‒0 but we put up a good

account of ourselves. The Brantham party stayed in the bar

afterwards and were amazed when we plied them with beer

served from jugs as was traditional in those days

The Brantham secretary sent me a copy of the programme for

their next match in which we were given high praise for our

sportsmanship and hospitality under a headline ''Football as it

should be played''. The article made particular mention of the

party and the beer after the game.

It is a pity that this link between AFA Football and the next

level have been severed as both parties have a lot to learn

from each other.

Regards, Nigel

Aside from Nigel’s evident

appreciation of the Standard, I

thought it worth printing as it is a

delightful tale of traditional SAL

football on the pitch itself and

continued in the bar afterwards.

The letter is printed in full below

with a few spelling and

grammatical improvements (well he

is a Norseman). I would like to

thank Nigel for his contribution and

for the flowery paper on which he

sent it.


You won’t be at all surprised to

find that I have no intention of

letting someone else do most of the

talking so I have extended this

section into a second page.

But what is on my mind this

month? Following on from the F.A.

Vase piece last month I thought I

would give you a rundown of what

goes on in and around the AFA.

This ties in nicely with the

announcement of the draw for the

Preliminary Round of the F.A.

Inter-League Cup on 5 December.

The Inter-League Cup has been a

breath of fresh air for the SAL. I

mean now offence to our very

honourable opponents of the past

90 years but there is an edge to the

games which is not always there in

friendlies.

We have got to play 12 opponents

over the course of our three

campaigns (beating ten of them!)

plus three more in the UEFA

Regions Cup. While progressing so

well as we have has undoubtedly

enhanced our experience, the best

part for me is finding out what The

Rest of the World thinks of us, and

what we think of them.

I thought it might be useful to give

you a rundown on what goes on

around us in the Pyramid, formally

known as the National League

System in the Greater London area.

Obviously you will be aware of the

Conference, or Blue Square Bet

Premier/North/South as its three

divisions are known for

sponsorship reasons.

Below this is the Ryman Isthmian

League which also features a

Premier Division fed by Divisions

1 North and 1 South. This covers a

triangular area stretching from the

Hants/Sussex border in the south-west

up to Cambridgeshire and Norfolk in

the north, encompassing Greater

London and the south-eastern home

counties in between.

The Isthmian League itself is fed by a

further six leagues, of which four

cover parts of the SAL catchment area

which are the Essex Senior League,

the Spartan South Midlands League,

the Combined Counties League and

the Kent League.

In addition to these there are various

reserve leagues, most notably the

Suburban League which is not part of

the Pyramid. Many of the teams faced

by the likes of Old Wilsonians and

Merton in this season’s Surrey FA

Premier Cup play in this competition.

Others will feature in the leagues

which feed the aforementioned

quartet. The Essex Senior League is

fed by nothing – there is a big black

hole at Step 6 in Essex! This used

to be the situation in Kent until

2011 when the Kent Invicta League

was formed to bridge the gap. The

two remaining leagues each run

their own Divisions 1.

Finally, these leagues are all fed by

Step 7 leagues. The Essex

Olympian, Herts Senior County,

Surrey Elite Intermediate and Kent

County Leagues all feature here

and all enter the Inter-League Cup.

The final piece in the jigsaw is the

Spartan South Midlands League’s

own Division 2 – another past

opponent of the SAL rep team.

Hopefully this gives you more idea

what you’re up against in the alien

worlds of the Surrey Premier Cup

and the Kent Senior Trophy and

might also help you understand our

opponents when we set out in our

next Inter-League Cup campaign.

Editorial a look at the pyramid

Non-League football in the London area

Essex Senior League

Spartan South Midlands Premier

Combined Counties Premier Division

Kent League

Spartan South Midlands Div. 1

Combined Counties Division 1

Kent Invicta League

Essex Olympian

League Middlesex County League Kent County League

Spartan South Midlands Div. 2

Surrey Elite Intermediate League

Herts Senior County

League


Ibis Football Club was founded in

1913 as the works club of the

Prudential Assurance Company.

The link between the club and its

parent company expired during the

1980s and, like so many other

business house clubs since, Ibis’

comfortable, secure existence came

into question.

Historically the club played next

door to the current Old Meadonians

ground at which the Ibis F.C. of the

present day are tenants. The land

once owned by the Pru is now a 9-

hole golf course fenced in by the

Great Western Road to the north-

west, Dan Mason Drive to the

south and south-east and the Old

Meadonians ground to the north-

east.

A fuller history, taken from the

club’s website and with some

minor amendments from long-time

Ibis member and League Treasurer

John Brumwell, is printed below:

The Prudential Clerks Society was,

quite early in its history, renamed

the Ibis Society. Some say it was

renamed because many rowing clubs

took the names of water fowl. Others

believed it derived from the cry

“Come on the IBs” which habitually

drowned out supporters of the

“OBs” in departmental team events.

(IB referred to the Industrial Branch

personnel, who had salesmen

collecting weekly 'few shilling'

premiums from working class

clients; OB was the Ordinary

Branch, which dealt with its

business more like that done

nowadays).

The Ibis Cricket Club was

established in 1870. Various other

Ibis Clubs followed including the

Ibis Football Club in 1913.

After the suspension of most

activities for the First World War,

shortly afterwards Ibis FC joined

the Southern Amateur League, for

season 1921-22.

Just prior to the Second World war

the Prudential, in order to bring

together most of its sporting

activities, negotiated on behalf of

the Ibis Society, a lease of the

ground at Chiswick on the north

bank of the Thames (opposite

Watney's Brewery, and alongside

the Boat Race finish). Indeed after

the War, Cambridge finished in the

Ibis Boathouse, with Oxford using

the adjacent 'Polytechnic (also an

SAL club) Boathouse'.

Founded: 1913

Home Ground

Chiswick Boathouse

Dukes Meadow

Dan Mason Drive

Chiswick W4 2SH

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@ibis_football

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IBIS 3RD TAKE ON OLD SUTTONIANS IN THE AFA CUP AT CHISWICK

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Then, on the outbreak of World

War II, the ground was

requisitioned. Formal football was

suspended until 1945-46, and it was

the following season before Ibis

F.C, had access to Chiswick.

Once Ibis were able to use the

ground, we soon raised the number

of League sides to four and ran two

or three friendly sides below that

on four pitches. In the late sixties,

Ibis Rugby Club merged with

another club, so their pitches were

converted to football, and so there

were six pitches for up to nine sides

(with seven in the League).

When Ibis F.C. joined the SAL in

1921-22, its Hon. Match Secretary

was H.A. Roberts. Members of

visiting teams playing at Chiswick

after the Second World War until

the early eighties will probably

recall being welcomed by Bob

Roberts, a duty he took upon

himself till shortly before his death.

Without naming all those who have

kept the club going over the years it

is fitting to give a mention to Bob

Walsh who served overseas in

World War II before undertaking a

lifelong commitment to Ibis, running

sides well into his fifties. Bob

continued travelling from his

Bromley home to watch Ibis well

into his 80s and only died recently,

aged 97.

Fifteen to twenty years ago the SAL

was almost equally split between

business houses, old boys and

private clubs. In the 1990s, many of

the business houses withdrew the

support to their clubs.

A few have survived, some closed

and some detached from their

parents to become private clubs. Ibis

F.C. was one of the latter, moving

successively around Chiswick,

Kempton and then Osterley. The

Chiswick Ground became a golf

range and now a 9-hole course

adjacent to the Duke’s Meadow

where the club now plays.

In 2005 Brentford F.C. acquired the

ground Ibis had been using in

Osterley as a training ground and so

a further move to Boston Manor

Playing Fields ensued before the

2007 move back to the club’s

spiritual home in Chiswick.

Ibis

HALF TIME TEAM TALK IN THE 4s’ 1-0 DERBY WIN OVER CIVIL SERVICE


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Liam Angell plays for Ibis,

predominantly as a left-back but he

also takes his turn in goal when the

teams need him to or, more

painfully, when his dodgy knee

gives in!

Liam also runs Pitch Talk, an

internet chat show which airs every

Monday on YouTube discussing

the important matters in today’s

game. He is also compiling a video

and photo journal to celebrate the

club’s centenary in 2013.

Liam, thanks for doing the interview

and sorry it’s taken so long for me to

get myself to Ibis. So tell me about

yourself.

Where are you from originally, and

what brought about your move to

London?

I am originally from Oxford ( I was

born in the John Radcliffe

Hospital), but as a child from 0-2 I

lived up there, then came to

London, then when I was about 7/8

we moved back up there after

living in Brockley, Streatham and

Brixton (all in South London).

When I was about 9/10 after 2

years in Oxford we moved back

down to West London, stayed there

for 16 years and this year (2012) I

moved to South Ealing, so I’d like to

think I’m at least somewhat well

travelled (within a 60 mile radius).

When did join Ibis FC and how did that

come about?

I joined Ibis FC in early 2007

(March to be exact) after I’d grown

disgruntled with a couple of former

clubs in my local area. I was referred

to Ibis by a friend of mine Stevie

Ballard (who I met playing football

in the summer of 2006 and was

known by the nickname 00 Ballard

at the club). He’d been in my ear for

a few months about Ibis being a

cracking set of lads and the club

being a great club but at that time I

was playing for another club.

Due to a knee injury I was playing in

goal just to keep playing. I left them

at half time of an internal friendly

after growing extremely frustrated at

certain things and people at the club

and got referred to another local

team by a friend of mine (Melvyn

Akins) but quickly left there after

seeing someone smoking weed 20

minutes before a game and thinking

‘this isn’t my type of club’.

I phoned up Rob Lusher who was

chairman of Ibis FC at that time

and he advised me to come to

training on Wednesday and the rest

is history as they say.

Can you remember your first match for

Ibis? Tell us about it.

I actually do remember it, it was at

our old home ground in Boston

Manor and was for the 2’s side, I

came on as a sub and at the time I

was carrying a knee injury and I

was playing with a heavy knee

support/strapping on. I came on at

left back and had a bit of a running

battle with the opposition right

winger, I ended up aggravating my

knee injury in that match after

getting a bit annoyed and putting in

a tackle which ended up with me

twisting my knee.

Who have you played for previously?

As mentioned earlier my previous

clubs were Lancaster YCFC and

Harrow Club, both of which are

based in the Notting Hill area of

West London, I also did play for

the Hurlingham and Chelsea

Liam

Angell

CHAT SHOW PRESENTER AND IBIS LEFT-BACK LIAM ANGELL

Key facts NAME: Liam Angell

POSITION: Left Back

CLUB: Ibis FC

FROM: Oxford (living in South Ealing)

SUPPORTS: Liverpool


secondary school team (in Fulham)

but those chances were extremely,

and frustratingly limited, I also had

a game for the Donnington Middle

school team in Oxford when I was

in year 5.

Can you remember your first ever

football match? Tell us about it.

My first ever football match was

for Donnington Middle school, I

think it was their B team and it was

a home game To be honest I can’t

remember much about it but I

remember being chuffed to bits

about being picked and seeing my

name in the school newsletter on

the team sheet.

What has been the highlight of your

‘career’ so far?

Getting player of the season last

year (2011/2012 season) for the

Ibis 4’s, for me personally it was a

great reward for playing every one

of our 20 matches that season

which was a huge accolade for me

as my Ibis career has been blighted

by injuries and I’ve also had knee

surgery (ACL reconstruction)

whilst at the club on an old injury.

Oddly enough I think our captain

Nick Boid was originally going to

give it to Mark Addy but a few of

my team mates said they’d have

given it to me

Do you play any other sports and, if

so, what are they?

Football is my one and only sport, I

do cycle but that’s more a mode of

transport for me than a sporting

activity, I do try and watch

Formula 1 from time to time as

well.

What do you think are the biggest

issues in football today?

Corruption, as the game in my view

is run by corrupt morons, the fact

that FIFA had an election which

was basically a coronation as

Blatter had no opposition was an

absolute disgrace, I did do a Pitch

Talk blog which talks about the

moronic trinity in football.

Racism and video technology are 2

other major issues for me as video

technology is almost becoming a

necessity due to certain incidents in

terms of questionable goals in

football that are/aren’t given.

Racism has been a huge issue over

the last year or so due to the

Suarez/Evra and Terry/Ferdinand

cases and more recently the

Clattenburg accusations, all of which

had their elements of poor handling

by both the clubs and the powers

that be.

Youth development and the

women’s game are also quite big

issues as we’ve seemed to fall

behind as a country in youth

development (St. Georges Park is an

interesting area to keep tabs on) and

the women’s game in my view needs

that push to get to the next level of

its evolution.

What do you think are the biggest

challenges to SAL and AFA football

clubs?

Availability, no doubt that’s the

biggest challenge. We’ve seen it

first hand with us at Ibis this season

as a club but especially with the

side I play for, the Ibis 4’s as we’ve

struggled for numbers this season.

I’ve heard over the past couple of

years that the 11 a side game has

been on the decline but it really has

hit home this season as we’ve

struggled to get teams out and for

an away game at Alleyn Old Boys

we had to play the whole match

with 10 men due to a no-show and

late dropouts.

What are your personal ambitions in

football this season?

My biggest personal ambition is to

play every game this season, I did

achieve the feat last season but I’d

love to do it again and maybe even

score a couple of goals but I won’t

hold my breath on scoring as I’ve

only ever done that once and it was

disallowed a few years ago.

Liam, we’ve mentioned Pitch Talk a couple of times. It’s one of a number of ways in which SAL players seem to be harnessing the internet to help people have their say, promote their club or just have a bit of fun.

Can you tell me more about it?


Pitch Talk is the football talk show

that pulls no punches and holds

back nothing on opinions, we

deliver news, views and football

banter LIVE every Monday night

from 8-11pm (GMT/UK time).

The live show was started in June

2010 by me – Liam Angell (aka

Straight Shootin’ LJA) – and Gavin

Henry (aka Da Gman) and we

brought in a friend of ours, Gerald

Williamson (aka Gezzie Fizzle), a

couple of months later to complete

the trio of co-hosts.

We bring people up to speed with

results and goings on domestically,

internationally and we also have a

grass roots segment where we

spotlight Ibis F.C. and read out a

match report. We also have a

“What’s up with that?” segment in

which we go through some of the

more odd footballing stories.

In essence we’re a one stop shop

for everything football. It’s we the

people for the people. Our show

includes ‘push points’ and ‘rants of

the week’, interviews such as our

‘Pitch Talk meets’ series and

special feature videos. In addition to

those media listed above we also

have a live Skype chat and call

where our listeners/fans can give

their views and interact as well as a

live mobile phone so people can call

in too. The pitch is where we eat, the

pitch is where we sleep and the pitch

is where we talk.

Pitch Talk The Facts

Co-hosts:

Liam Angell,

Gavin Henry

Gerald Williamson

Live Show

8‒11pm every Monday

Live show and videos:

YouTube.com/pitchtalk

Podcasts

iTunes: ow.ly/fT8qd

Podomatic: ow.ly/fsVa8

Mixcloud: ow.ly/fT8ie

Blogs:

pitchtalk.blogspot.com

Facebook:

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Twitter:

@pitchtalk

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Straight Shootin’ LJA • Da Gman • Gezzie Fizzle

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On 28 October David Ryland took

charge of Merton vs Old Salesians

in the SAL’s Minor Division 4

South marking 50 years of

refereeing.

To mark the occasion Merton F.C.

baked a cake for David and both

teams gave him a guard of honour

as he exited the changing rooms

and made for the pitch.

Not one for making a fuss of

himself (“Some years I only did

about 20 matches so I’ve probably

only done about 1,000 in total”.

You slacker David!) David has

reached this milestone quietly but

the SAL as well as his family are

very proud on his behalf.

Thank you for agreeing to be

interviewed David. I know you aren’t

one for blowing your own trumpet so I

will try not to go on too long!

To start off, at what age did you first

get into football and how did that come

about?

Would have been about Age 9 in

my junior school days, the sports

master arranged matches with other

junior schools. Most kids wanted

to play football and followed their

local team - mine was and still is

Crystal Palace . My professional

football hero was Stanley

Matthews.

Do you remember the first football

match you played in?

Cannot remember the first football

match I played in but remember the

first match we won. It was a 2-1

victory with Cypress Junior School

SE25 beating Elmwood Boys School

Croydon and I was captain of the

Winning Side! Only other football

highlight was the 1957-58 season I

played for Croydon Old Boys in the

Thornton Heath District League.

Our team was undefeated in all

league and cup matches with myself

scoring in the Cup final we won. I

believe it was 5-1.

What influenced your decision to take

up refereeing?

In 1959 I became a type one

Diabetic and in 1960 I suffered a

small break to my lower left leg

whilst playing football. The medical

people at the time advise me to give

up playing the game because further

injuries might seriously affect my

overall health being a diabetic. In

1962 one of my father’s friends, who

was a leading light in the Croydon

Referees Society suggested I took up

refereeing. The rest is history when

I refereed my first game on 6th

October 1962, Purley Wanderers V

Spring Park Rovers in the Croydon

Minor League. Score 0 -0 my

comment “ Good, clean eventless

game”

What have been your best moments

refereeing?

I never reached any great heights in

the refereeing world and always

felt I have been an adequate official

as distinct from a particularly good

one. Two moments when I was

rewarded were being in the middle

of two Old Boys Cup Finals and

when receiving my 45 year long

service award. That night I shared

the limelight with Ray Lewis – he

is a 5 star General in the World of

refereeing with me battling away in

the trenches of “park football” in

the lower regions!

Do you think there is anything the

powers that be could do to assist

referees

At the levels of refereeing I have

experienced, I have no complaints

about the powers that be and the

David

Ryland

DAVID RYLAND BEFORE TAKING CHARGE OF MERTON VS OLD SALESIANS


support I have been given when

needed. Confrontation and

discipline issues between

players/managers and referees is

part and parcel of the game. The

authorities must always back the

referee (unless he is blatantly at

fault) or else the losing of referees

will continue and the ideals of the

Respect Campaign will be in

jeopardy.

Is there anything you would change

about football if you had the chance?

A simple question to answer.

Remove the offside law from the

game of football. In my 50 years it

is the constant “argument point”

between the opinion of defenders

and attackers while in the

professional game it causes so

much vitriolic argument on

interpretation. Remove the offside

law or at least give it a trial run in a

league for a season to see its impact

in reducing all the arguments and

how teams adapt to the change.

Interviews with managers after

games would be less heated and

after match panel opinions

shortened!

Who is the best SAL footballer you

have seen, and why?

Over the years I never got to know

players on personal name terms so

whilst I admired a particular

performance I would not know the

player! Residing in West Ewell I

am close to Old Salesians grounds

and have refereed many of their 1st

team games over the years. I recall

the exploits of Pat Morrisey, John

Doe and Kevin Lawler but, say it

quietly, that was probably under the

new defunct Old Boys Football

league.

Who is the best player you have seen

overall, and why?

The best player I have seen in the

modern game it must be Lionel

Messi – such sublime talent. In

times past probably Pele or Johann

Cruyff and on his day George Best –

the flawed talent. But my vote

would go back to 1966 – Gordon

Banks the finest goalkeeper I have

ever seen. But for his untimely eye

injury he would have won more

England caps than Peter Shilton.

Thank you David. I will let you off the

hook now but your daughter has been

quite keen to sing your praises so I

have also asked her for a few words

about her dad.

Christine, over to you. What are your

memories of growing up (and beyond)

with your dad as a referee for so many

years?

When I was younger I always use to

go football with my dad because I

was a right tom boy loving the

game. It was my highlight of my

week seeing my dad refereeing the

game. When we use to turn up the

home side always use to look after

ma and I used to get all my drinks

and sweets free.

I was always have supported my

dad and I always have fond

memories but the one that always

stick in my brain that my dad was

refereeing the a match near

Heathrow airport and they were

moaning at the Lines men but they

said oh don’t worry the ref is good

because its David and I turned

around and said I totally agree

because he is my dad.

I know lots of teams have respect

for my dad and over the years I am

proud he is still refereeing.

Christine, David: thank you both for

your contributions. Once again David,

on behalf of everyone at the Southern

Amateur League, thank you for all your

years of service to our competition.

We hope there will be many more to

come.

DAVID WITH HIS WIFE VALERIE AND DAUGHTER CHRISTINE


goal difference could be crucial in

the battle against the drop.

Not too many Division 2 sides are

left in the AFA Cup now with the

shock result belonging to previously

unbeaten BB Eagles who went

down 2‒0 to Old Magdalenians. Old

Actonians had a field day against

Old Isleworthians, racking up 10

goals against their AFC opponents.

Alexandra Park, Crouch End

Vampires and Merton were the

other Division 2 sides who

successfully progressed to the next

round.

Alexandra Park and Old Actonians

also moved through to the next

round of the AFA Middlesex/Essex

Senior Cup but Norsemen went

down 2‒1 to Old Manorians. HSBC

exited the AFA Surrey/Kent Cup

with a 3‒0 defeat to Honourable

Artillery Company – Carshalton

took a penalty shoot‒out to despatch

Old Thorntonians but remain in the

hat for the next round.

Old Finchleians were the division’s

sole representatives in the Old Boys

Cup and took their opponents Old

Suttonians all the way, eventually

succumbing to a spot kick defeat

after a 1‒1 draw.

Division 3

By their standards, Old Garchonians

had a tough month of it – being held

to a 2‒2 draw and a couple of

hard‒fought 2‒0 victories, however

Around the Clubs

Senior Section Division 1

November brings the onset of the Senior cup season so very few league

games were played this month. Winchmore Hill stretched their lead at the top

by putting 4 past Old Salesians and Old Parkonians respectively. Remarkably,

Old Owens maintained 2nd position without playing a league game all month.

It shows how unbelievably tight the league is at this stage, with 1pt separating

Old Salesians in 3rd and Old Parkonians in 8th. November did see

Broomfield and EBOG both pick up their 1st league wins of the season,

however both remain in the relegation zone.

It was a miserable month for Nottsborough in the cups, losing at home to Old

Wilsonians in the AFA Cup, followed by a penalty shoot‒out defeat to Alleyn

Old Boys in the AFA Surrey/Kent Cup after 4‒4 thriller. West Wickham

gained sweet revenge for their early season thrashing at the hands of

Winchmore Hill, sending the AFA Senior Cup holders crashing out with a

4‒0 humbling. EBOG also suffered a heavy 5‒1 defeat to Old Parmiterians to

end their interest. All other Senior Division 1 sides safely negotiated a path to

the next round.

As mentioned Nottsborough exited the AFA Surrey/Kent Cup and joining

them are West Wickham following a 4‒1 defeat to Old Salesians. Old Owens

and Winchmore Hill safely progressed in the AFA Middlesex/Essex Cup,

although the latter were pushed all the way by SAL new boys Old

Garchonians.

In the Old Boys Cup both Old Owens and Old Wilsonians made it through to

the semi finals and could still meet in an all SAL final. Old Owens are drawn

against Old Minchendenians whereas Old Wilsonians will face Old

Suttonians.

Division 2

Polytechnic maintained their

position at the summit of Division 2,

picking up 2 league wins in their

quest to return to the top table at the

first time of asking. Alexandra Park

are their nearest challengers, picking

a useful draw at North London rivals

Norsemen and a resounding 5‒1 win

over Old Finchleians. All to play for

though as there is only 2pts between

Alexandra Park in 2nd and

Norsemen in 6th. At the other end,

Old Esthameians bagged their first

3pts of the season in surprising

fashion by thrashing HSBC 7‒0

away from home. That additional


they remain unbeaten and 6 pts clear

of their nearest challengers Bank of

England. It looks like a 4‒way fight

between Bank of England, Weirside

Rangers, South Bank Cuaco and

Lloyds TSB Bank to see who will

join the runaway leaders in Division

2 next year.

Southgate Olympic remain rooted to

the bottom although they did pick up

their first win and pts of the season

with a 1‒0 victory over Old

Stationers – the latter staying off the

foot of the table by virtue of goal

difference only.

Bank of England, Old Latymerians,

Old Stationers and South Bank

Cuaco were all handsomely beaten

in their AFA Cup matches in

November, leaving Weirside – who

beat fellow Division 3 side Ibis 3‒0

– to carry the flag for Division 3 in

the next round

Old Garchonians had a tough draw

in the AFA Middlesex/Essex Senior

Cup, facing Division 1 leaders

Winchmore Hill. They comfortably

bridged the 2 division gap by putting

an excellent display only going

down to a 3‒1 defeat in the last

minutes. They were joined in exiting

the tournament following

Southgate’s 5‒1 loss to Old

Ignatians. Lloyds TSB Bank

progressed to the next round of the

AFA Surrey/Kent Senior Cup with

an easy 5‒0 win over Clapham Old

Xaverians.

In the London Financial Football

Cup, both Bank of England and

Weirside Rangers won their 1st Rd

matches. Old Latymerians and Old

Westminster Citizens both lost their

Old Boys Cup 2nd Round matches

7‒0 to end Division 3 involvement

in this cup competition for this

season.

Intermediate

Section Nottsborough’s poor league form

continued as they lost 2 more

league fixture in November but still

retained top spot due to the

inability of others to capitalise.

There is a clutch of teams forming

below the reigning champions but

none of the teams can quite put a

run of wins together to muscle in at

the top. Should make for a

fascinating run‒in if it continues.

Old Owens moved off the bottom

with their first win of the season

but remain in the drop zone

alongside Old Actonians. The AFA

Cup moved to the last 16 stage, and

only Old Owens, Nottsborough,

Old Salesians, Winchmore Hill and

Polytechnic remain.

Old Parkonians continued their

imperious form at the by winning

OLD BLUES TAKE ON IBIS RES AT KEW

CIVIL SERVICE 6TH DEFEND AGAINST IBIS 4TH


all their matches in November –

remaining unbeaten at the top of

Division 2 and moving into the AFA

Cup last 16. Crouch End Vampires

are Old Parkonians closest

challengers 4pts back in 2nd despite

suffering their 2nd league defeat of

the season. Weirside Rangers are

still rooted to the bottom despite

earning an important point in their

2‒2 draw at relegation rivals Old

Westminster Citizens. Merton,

Carshalton, Old Parkonians, BB

Eagles and Alexandra Park all made

it through to the final 16 of the AFA

Cup whilst Bank of England safely

moved into the LFF Cup 2nd Rd

with penalty shoot out win over

RBS 1st XI.

In Division 3 Kew Association still

set the pace winning all their league

matches in Nov closely followed by

Old Finchleians who would have

leapfrogged Kew had they not gone

down to a surprise 2‒0 defeat to Old

Blues 1st. Down at the bottom

Southgate Olympic continue to

struggle losing all 4 league matches

and currently 5pts adrift of 2nd

bottom Old Lyonians. The sole cup

match involved HSBC as they lost

1‒0 to Nat West in the London

Financial Football Cup 1st Round.

Junior Section There are new leaders in Division 1

– Winchmore Hill leading the way

ahead of West Wickham, pushing

Nottsborough into 3rd following

their winless league run in

November. Old Owens and Alleyn

Old Boys both had a good month

but remain in the bottom 3. Old

Actonians are yet to pick up a point

and looking certainties for

relegation unless they turn things

around quickly. In the SAL Cup

2nd Rd, both Old Actonians and

EBOG succumbed to lower league

opposition. The 5 remaining

Division 1 sides in the AFA Cup –

Nottsborough, Civil Service, West

Wickham, Polytechnic and Old

Wilsonians – all progressed to the

last 16.

In Division 2 BB Eagles are still

yet to drop a point as they tighten

their grip on top spot. Norsemen

won both their league matches in

November to sit in 2nd place.

Weirside won the basement battle

against Old Esthameians to rise off

the bottom as the latter ended the

month in last place. Merton

surprised EBOG to make it to the

SAL Cup 3rd Rd and were joined

by fellow Division 2 rivals BB

Eagles, Crouch End Vampires, Old

Stationers and Alexandra Park. Old

Westminster Citizens are also the

only Division 2 representatives in

the AFA Cup as they enjoy a fine

cup campaign this season.

HSBC ended November at the top

of Division 3 but have Bank of

England breathing down their

necks with the two sides separated KEW ASSOCIATION 4TH vs OLD CHOLMELEIANS IN THE AFA CUP

IBIS 3RD VS OLD SUTTONIANS AT CHISWICK


by goal difference only. Old

Stationers still have a 100% record

but have only played 4 matches – a

lot of catching up to do! Lloyd TSB

are still bottom but did pick up their

first pt of the season. HSBC, Old

Stationers and Ibis are in the hat for

the SAL Cup 3rd Rd – the latter

having a superb cup season as they

moved into the last 16 of the AFA

Cup too – the only Division 3 side

still left in the tournament.

Minor Section Old Owens 4th and Nottsborough

4th both enjoyed an excellent month

as they cut the lead current table

toppers Polytechnic 4th had built up.

At the bottom BB Eagles 4th are

still to add to their opening day

draw, propping up the table with

only Norsemen 4th and Old

Actonians 5th within striking

distance. It looks like 2 from 3 to

see who goes down there. In the

SAL Minor Cup both Polytechnic

4th and Winchmore Hill 4th

suffered shock defeats to leave Old

Actonians 4th as the only Division 1

team left in the quarter finals.

Contrasting fortunes for the two

Winchmore Hill sides in Division 2

North – the 5th XI are flying at the

top however their 6th XI are rock

bottom with only one win to their

name. The Hill’s 5th XI haven’t had

it all their own way, nearest

challengers Broomfield 4th

triumphed 4‒3 in the clash to cut

their lead to 3pts.

Have to feel for Crouch End

Vampires in Division 3 North. Any

other division and they would be top

with a record of 6 wins, 1 draw from

8 matches. The fact they are miles

off 1st is down to the phenomenal

start Broomfield 5ths have made –

it’s now the perfect 10 from 10 in

the league for them. At the other end

Old Parkonians 6th picked up their

first win against their 5th XI but

remain in last place.

Old Owens 7th XI narrowly kept

their place at the top of Division 4

North this month, the gap closing to

one point to 2nd placed Norsemen

7th. Old Owens 6th are just a point

further back in 3rd and unbeaten

Alexandra Park in 4th are only 3pts

off the top – it looks like these 4

sides will fight out for the two

promotion slots this season.

In Minor Division 5 North Crouch

End Vampires 6th have taken over

the lead from Broomfield 7th closely

followed by Old Parkonians 9th. Old

Finchleians 7th have jumped up to

3rd in the table. Alexandra Park 8th

continue their struggle but did earn

their first point of the season against

fellow strugglers Old Parkonians

8th, who turn secured their first

victory of the league campaign in

spectacular fashion with a 12‒1

shellacking of EBOG 8th.

BB Eagles 5th still hold a 100%

record in Division 2 South but have

slipped down to 3rd due to only

playing 1 league match in

November. Their place at the top is

taken by Polytechnic 5th who are on

a good run at the moment. Old

Westminster Citizens 4th still prop

up the division although they nicked

a 3‒3 draw with Civil 5th to get off

the mark at the end of the month.

Old Actonians 6th continue to set

the pace in Division 3 South with a

handy 7pt lead over 2nd placed

Alleyn Old Boys 4th. Merton 4th

remain unbeaten but too many draw

is hampering their promotion charge.

Alleyn Old Boys 5th and Ibis 4th

occupy the relegation places due

their inability to register a win

between them so far. For Ibis 4th

this is strange since they are having

a superb AFA Cup run.

In Division 4 South Merton 5th

lead with 8 wins from 8 with

HSBC just behind having won 7 of

their 8 league matches so far. West

Wickham 5th have had a poor

month to slip back into the chasing

pack after a great opening 2 months

to their season. Lloyds TSB 4th and

Old Westminster Citizens 5th are

still winless and pointless and look

likely candidates for relegation

unless they can find some wins.

Nothing epitomises the bonkers

gung‒ho style of the teams in

Division 6 South this season than

Old Actonians 8th’s 10‒6 win over

Old Wilsonians 7th. Not a good

day for keepers. Civil Service 7th

head up the league on goal

difference in front of Old

Wilsonians 6th although the latter

has a game in hand. HSBC 8th and

Polytechnic 9th couldn’t add to

their points tally in November and

occupy the relegation spots as a

result.

New leaders in Division 6 South –

Old Westminster Citizens 6th

taking full advantage of Merton

6th’s inconsistency of late to

cement their position at the top.

2nd spot is still very much up for

grabs with 8th placed Civil Service

only 7pts off 2nd. Old Wilsonians

9th are starting to get adrift though,

having lost all of their matches so

far.

Graeme Wilson


Answers for November 1. Ealing Association. 2. Everton’s David Moyes. 3. Preston North End and Huddersfield Town 4. Midland Bank (now HSBC). 5. Arsenal, Chelsea, Everton, Liverpool,

Manchester City, Manchester Utd and Portsmouth.

6. Aston Villa and Blackburn Rovers in 1936. 7. You can’t colour it in. 8. They were all formed to play in existing stadia. 9. Four from the Combined Counties, Eastern

Counties Essex Senior, Kent, Spartan South Midlands Leagues and Sussex County Leagues.

10. 800 (758 to be precise). 11. Rotherham United. 12. Kenny Dalglish – scored for Scotland ‘away’ to

Wales at Anfield in 1977. 13. The New Saints (England and Wales). 14. Appeared on Top of the Pops! 15. Scored hat tricks. 16. Kenny Dalglish (Liverpool), Glen Hoddle,

Dennis Wise and Gianluca Vialli (all Chelsea) 17. Newcastle United (north), Norwich City (east)

and Plymouth Argyle (south and west). 18. An orange football. 19. David O’Leary, replaced by brother Pearse. 20. His nickname was Harry Hotspur. You figure it out!

Questions for December Name the SAL clubs

1. They call Wills Crescent home.

2. They wear blue and yellow halves

with white sleeves.

3. Winners of the Southern Olympian

League’s Olympian Star, they play

in black and white stripes.

4. Ground sharing with East London

Rugby Club in Stratford.

5. They are the club of the Harrow

Day School (as opposed to the more

famous boarding school).

6. The school was founded in Islington

but later moved to Potters Bar. Who

are their old boys?

7. Affiliated to the Christ’s Hospital

School near Horsham, Sussex.

8. John Motson helped build their club

house.

9. Former England striker Brian Stein

started out here.

10. Formerly known as Lensbury.

1. What feat did Danish striker Allan

Simonsen achieve in 1975, 1977 and

1982?

2. Before the closing of Wembley in

2000, when did England last play at

‘home’ away from Wembley?

3. Which club has reached the most FA

Cup finals without winning any?

4. What were Portsmouth and

Huddersfield the first to do in the

1939 FA Cup semi-final?

5. Which club first assumed the

nickname ‘Red Devils’?

6. Gianfranco Zola said this about

whom: “Ninety-five percent of my

language problems are the fault of

that stupid little midget.”?

7. Why was Jose Luis Chilavert’s hat

trick for Velez Sarsfield vs Ferro

Carrill Oueste in 1999 so unusual?

8. Which five clubs have been awarded

the European Cup trophy

permanently?

Identikit Identify the following SAL clubs

Copyright Historical Football Kits and reproduced by kind permission. November: Partizan Belgrade, Manchester United, Red Star Belgrade, Borussia Mönchengladbach,

Stade de Reims, Juventus, Steaua Bucharest, Real Madrid, Malmö FF, Panathinaikos and Eintracht

Frankfurt.

Quiz

Time

9. What has the city of Liverpool done,

football-wise, every season since

1888?

10. What was Fabio Cannavaro’s role in

the 1990 World Cup?

11. What non-football qualification is

held by Liverpool and Denmark

defender Daniel Agger?

12. Which English club has the

nickname ‘the Monkey Hangers’?

13. Who used to be known as ‘the

Dolphins’?

14. Who said “The most educated

person at Real Madrid is the woman

who cleans the toilets”?

15. Former Real Madrid player Pablo

Garcia said this of whom: “Maybe

because he is blond and pretty,

referees are capable of sending him

off for that”?

16. Which Spurs player appeared in a

McDonald’s television commercial

aged 13, doing keep-ups?

17. Which country did Denmark replace

at the last minute in the 1992

European Championships they went

on to win?

18. It is a foul to call “mine” during a

football match. True or false?

19. Unai Casillas, brother of Iker, is a

lifelong fan of which club?

20. Michael Owen is said to have

jokingly signed a photograph “Stop

stealing my records, you ugly arse!”

for which fellow player?

21. Which infamous footballer once

ordered lunch in the Middlesbrough

canteen wearing only his socks?

Obviously you can Google to your heart’s content but that rather ruins the

fun somewhat. See how many of the following questions you can get right

before next month’s issue reveals the answers.

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Rep Teams Seniors • Under 18 • Under 16

The senior team suffered a narrow

defeat away to Sussex followed up

by a four-goal draw against the

Navy while the Under 16s put a

heavy defeat to Middlesex behind

them by scoring a comprehensive

four-nil win away to London in

early December.

The Under 18s, however, grabbed

the limelight with their 1-0 win

away to Kent in the FA County

Youth Cup. The win sets up a trip

to Norfolk for the second year

running, this time at the Football

Development Centre in Norwich.

The tie will take place at 2pm on

Saturday 15 December. A coach

will be travelling to (and from) the

match with details to be provided

by the Alliance nearer the time.

As always, please check the AFA

website to confirm details of all

matches listed here.

Seniors 2012-13 03-Oct 1‒1 v Oxford University 7.30pm at Uxbridge F.C.

10-Oct 1‒0 v Cambridge University 7.30pm at Potters Bar Town F.C.

07-Nov 1‒2 v Sussex FA 7.30pm at Lancing F.C.

14-Nov 2‒2 v Royal Navy FA 7.30pm at Corinthian-Casuals F.C.

16-Jan v Army FA 7.30pm at Hanwell Town F.C.

06-Feb v Royal Air Force FA 7.30pm at Dulwich Hamlet F.C.

27-Feb v Middlesex FA 7.30pm at Hanwell Town F.C.

13-Mar v London FA 7.30pm, venue to be confirmed

Under 18s 2012-13 28-Oct 1‒0 v Sussex FA 1.00pm at Colney Heath F.C.

03-Nov 1‒0 v Kent FA 2.00pm at Tonbridge AFC (FACYC R1)

09-Dec 2‒1 v Royal Navy FA 1.00pm at Colney Heath F.C.

15-Dec v Norfolk FA 2.00pm at FDC Norwich (FACYC R1)

20-Jan v Kent FA 1.00pm at Corinthian F.C.

17-Feb v Middlesex FA 1.00pm, venue to be confirmed

10-Mar v London FA 1.00pm at A.F.C. Hornchurch

Under 16s 2012-13 30-Sep 1‒2 v Kent FA 1.00pm at Enfield Town F.C.

18-Nov 1‒9 v Middlesex FA 1.00pm at Colney Heath F.C.

02-Dec 4‒0 v London FA 1.00pm at A.F.C. Hornchurch

27-Jan v Sussex FA 1.00pm at Colney Heath F.C.

Courses The AFA offers a wide range of

courses including coaching,

medical, emergency aid and

safeguarding children. Courses are

nationally accredited and on

successful completion candidates

will receive either a 1st4sport or

FA certificate.

Click the links below to visit the

various course pages on the AFA

website.

Courses

► Level 1 Award In Coaching Football

► Level 2 Certificate In Coaching Football

► Futsal Courses

► Coaching Disabled Footballers

► Welfare Officer Workshops

► Safeguarding Children Workshop

► Emergency Aid

► Basic First Aid For Sport

► FA Age Appropriate Introductory Module

► FA Youth Award Module 1

► FA Youth Award Module 2

Documents

► AFA Coaching Policies and Procedures

► Coaching Pathway

A.F.A.

Update

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http://www.amateur-fa.com/coaches/courses-available/fa-basic-first-aid-for-sport

http://www.amateur-fa.com/coaches/courses-available/fa-age-appropriate-introductory-module

http://www.amateur-fa.com/coaches/courses-available/fa-age-appropriate-introductory-module

http://www.amateur-fa.com/coaches/courses-available/fa-youth-award-module-1

http://www.amateur-fa.com/coaches/courses-available/fa-youth-award-module-2

http://www.amateur-fa.com/coaches/~/media/CountySites/amateurfa/documents/coaching/afa-coaching-policies-and-procedures.ashx

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