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Innovation in Mineral Processing: Distinguished Past and Uncertain Future Tim Napier-Munn JKMRC/JKTech 1 The AusIMM Delprat Lecture, 2016

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Innovation in Mineral Processing: Distinguished Past and Uncertain Future

Tim Napier-Munn JKMRC/JKTech

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The AusIMM Delprat Lecture, 2016

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Delprat Lecturers

• Mike Nelson – Innovation in flotation technology

• Alban Lynch – Mineral processing in the 20th cent.

• Graeme Jameson – Size matters: coarse & quick flotation can reduce costs

• John Ralston – 21st cent. challenges in the chemistry of mineral processing

• Bill Johnson – Future mineral processing challenges

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• Tim Napier-Munn – Innovation in mineral processing

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Thanks to …..

• Rob Dunne (formerly Group Exec. Fellow, Metallurgy, Newmont)

• Neil Jagger (formerly CEO, Outotec Asia Pacific)

• Graeme Jameson (Laureate Prof, Uni of Newcastle)

• John McGagh (formerly Head T&I, Rio Tinto)

• Joe Pease (formerly CEO, Glencore Technology)

• Neville Plint (Former Head, BI Projects (CEL), Anglo American. Now Director, SMI, UQ)

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Innovation……….

• Invention vs innovation

• Many kinds of innovation: - IR, WH&S, finance, procurement, management, environmental, social, exploration, mining, minproc, extraction met.

• Innovation is not optional

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Guillaume Delprat – Innovator BHP General Manager, 1899-1921

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From ‘History of Flotation’ by Lynch, Harbort, Nelson (AusIMM)

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Why did Delprat succeed ?

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1. A crisis – difficulty in processing the Broken Hill sulfides.

2. Competition between the BH mines.

3. Collaboration with others.

4. A skilled technologist.

5. An entrepreneurial nature.

6. A GM’s power.

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The need for innovation

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Mining Multifactor Productivity, Australia

Tim Napier-Munn, JKMRC/JKTech

ABS, 2015

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“A key focus of our government is innovation. We need to be more innovative,

we need to be more technologically sophisticated”.

Malcolm Turnbull, Nov. 2015

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2016 1932

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No more innovation necessary Mineral processing’s crocodile

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Some MinProc Innovations Since 1948

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• Increases in scale • Dense medium cyclone • CIP/CIL • Knelson, Falcon, InLine Pressure Jig • High pressure grinding rolls • High intensity flotation (eg Jameson cell) • AG/SAG mills • Fine grinding (eg IsaMill, Vertimill) • Hi-rate thickeners • High intensity mag seps • Selective flotn. & flocc. reagents • Analytical chemistry • Automated quantitative mineralogy • Process simulation • OSA & other instrumentation • Process control & DCS

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Some Case Studies of Innovation

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• Increases in scale • High pressure grinding rolls • Jameson flotation cell • Automated quantitative mineralogy • The MIM Pb/Zn story • Process simulators

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Innovation in SCALE

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Is it running out of puff?

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Picture courtesy Elaine Wightman

Mills 1970s

2.7 x 2.4 m mills Mufulira

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Flotation 1959

1.3 m3 cells

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Picture courtesy Elaine Wightman

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Flotation 2016 600 m3 cell

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Flotation 2016 630 m3 cell

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• Almost all scale development is done by vendors.

• Main drivers are opex/capex, and competition.

• Enabling technologies important (eg materials, CAD).

• Can we increase scale indefinitely? Or are we running out of options?

Lessons from the story of Scale

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The High Pressure Grinding Rolls

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Prof. Klaus Schonert

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Lessons from the HPGR story

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• Began in academia, in an industrial context.

• Innovation came from another industry (cement).

• First application driven by perceived special benefit (diamond liberation).

• Over 25 years to maturity.

• Roll wear problem solved by manufacturers.

• Patent protection, defence and licensing key.

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The Jameson Flotation Cell

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Prof. Graeme Jameson

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Lessons from the Jameson Cell story

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• Began in academia, in an industrial context.

• Patent protection, defence and licensing key.

• Commercialisation route: TUNRA & MIM Tech.

• Link to industry (MIM).

• Over 20 years to maturity.

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The Mount Isa Pb/Zn story

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27 Johnson, Pease, Young, Munro (1997)

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The IsaMill

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Lessons from the Mount Isa Pb/Zn Story

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• Crisis drove the innovation.

• Skilled, experienced metallurgical team.

• Regular mineralogy measurements (point counting).

• Commercialisation route for IsaMill (MIM Technology).

• 10 year story; long-term commitment.

• Support from the board.

Young M.F., Pease J.D., Johnson N.W., and Munro P.D., 1997. Developments in milling practice at the Lead/Zinc Concentrator of Mount Isa Mines Limited from 1990, Sixth Mill Operators’ Conference, AusIMM, Madang, Papua New Guinea, pages 3-12.

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The Automated Quant. Mineralogy Story

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QEMSCAN

MLA

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Lessons from the

Automated Mineralogy Story

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• Began in government research and academia.

• Links to industry.

• Over 20 years to maturity.

• Commercialisation was essential (Intellection & JKTech).

• Industry launch customers key.

• Q*S/MLA competition drove advances.

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Simulation software (JKMRC)

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…and Limn – the Flowsheet Processor

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Lessons from simulation software development (JKMRC)

• Developed in academia.

• Close collaboration with industry.

• Continuity of support >25 years (P9 project).

• Commercialisation through start-up (JKTech).

• Enabling technology key: PC

• Experience developed through consulting.

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Some lessons from these (and other) innovations

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• Innovation is hard and takes a long time.

• It is increasingly multi-disciplinary.

• Skilled people are essential for success.

• A commercialisation path is necessary.

• Strong links between innovators and users are key.

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Sources of Innovation

• Universities and public research

• Vendors and engineering companies

• The lone inventor

• Production staff

• Other industries

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Drivers for innovation: the 7 Cs

• Cash (revenue)

• Costs • Competition • Compliance • Community • Culture • Crisis

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• Cash (revenue)

• Costs • Competition • Compliance • Community • Culture • Crisis

Tim Napier-Munn, JKMRC/JKTech

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Some barriers to innovation

• Loss of skills and experience

• FIFO

• Decline in industry-innovation links

• Short-termism – inconsistent strategies

• Obsession with unimportant IP

• The silo mentality

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Barriers to Innovation

Loss of skills and experience - the retirement tsunami

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• 39% of mining executives expect to retire in the next 5 years.

• 25% classified themselves as unemployed.

• 21% classified themselves as underemployed.

• 31% said they were thinking of leaving the industry permanently.

Survey by The Mining Recruitment Group, Vancouver, 2015

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Barriers to Innovation - Loss of skills and experience

Future Recruitment - Graduations UQ Met. Eng. 2004-2018

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This has happened before, in 1998……..

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Barriers to Innovation - Loss of skills and experience

The graduate production cycle

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Barriers to Innovation - Loss of skills and experience

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Would this be possible to-day?

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Barriers to Innovation

FIFO – Queensland Government Report, July 2015

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Australia close to last in OECD survey of business-university collaboration

in 33 countries

The Australian November 12th, 2015

Tim Napier-Munn, JKMRC/JKTech

Barriers to Innovation

3. Industry-Innovation links

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JKMRC students working in concentrators

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“….. there would be value in building

a national industry placement scheme of significant scale and

scope”

McGagh review March 2016

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Australian exports 2013-14 ($ billions)

1 Iron ore 74.7 2 Coal 40.0 3 Tourism 27.2 4 Natural gas 16.3 5 Education 16.3 6 METS 15.0 7 Gold 13.3 8 Oil 10.4 9 Beef 6.4 10 Wheat 6.1

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Barriers to Innovation

Industry-Innovation links – the METS sector

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Barriers to Innovation

4. Short-termism

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Average tenure of world top-40 mining company CEOs = 5.3 years.

Australian mining company CEOs = 2.7 years

Swann Global, Nov. 2012

Average innovation time constant: 15 years

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Barriers to Innovation

Short-termism – confused company T&I strategies

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Boom

Bust

We must invest in technology

No we mustn’t

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Barriers to Innovation

Short-termism, 2016

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Some quotes from CEOs, VCI report ‘Innovation State of Play – CEO Insights’, 2016

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Barriers to Innovation VCI Report 2016

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• Paul Muller (MD, Consolidated Minerals) “Short termism is the biggest problem and is more so in difficult times. How do you encourage the ability to think medium to long term? It comes down to quality of leadership..”

• Andrew Harding (formerly Rio Tinto CEO Iron Ore) “It becomes harder to find support to do something big [in innovation] when the sector is at the bottom of the investment cycle”

• VCI Report “Innovation State of Play” 2016 “Investor perspectives of mining need to shift from innovation being associated with risk to lack of innovation being associated with risk to sustainable returns. CEOs acknowledged that miners need to better educate investors…”

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Barriers to Innovation

Short-termism confused company T&I strategies

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Barriers to Innovation

5. Unnecessary protection of IP

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Barriers to Innovation

Unnecessary protection of IP

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“The way industry deals with IP is seen as a key barrier, as IP

‘hoarding’ directly impedes the advance of innovative practices”

CEEC Industry Workshop, 2012

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Barriers to Innovation

Unnecessary protection of IP

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The prize goes to those who use the technology

the best, not to those who own the IP

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Barriers to Innovation

Silo mentality – the solution

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• Workshops, conference presentations

• The CEEC Innovation Roadmap

• Website with technical material

• The CEEC Medal

• Energy curves

• LinkedIn technical discussions

• Media activities, newsletter

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Coalition for Energy-Efficient

Comminution

Not for profit company, supported by donations Tim Napier-Munn, JKMRC/JKTech

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CEEC Patrons & Sponsors

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Owen Hegarty Jim Gowans Elizabeth Lewis-Gray

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We need to, and can, innovate better

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• Preserve the corporate memory

• Manage FIFO rosters to improve continuity

• Strengthen the innovation links

• Take a longer view; less short-termism

• Rational, long-term management strategies for dealing with technology

• Be more relaxed about some IP

• Tear down the silos

Tim Napier-Munn, JKMRC/JKTech

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A glorious failure

Large-scale innovation in mining and comminution

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“ He that will not apply new remedies must expect new evils, for time is the

greatest innovator ”

Sir Francis Bacon 1561-1626

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