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JP: I THINK THAT’S NEW THAT’S NEW THEY JUST GET BIGGER THOSE ARE 1

NEW. 2

EM: OK 3

JP: THAT’S NEW 4

EM: K 5

JP: LIKE I SAY THEY THERES… 6

EM: YEAH 7

JP: THREE NEW ONES THEY JUST KEEP GETTING BIGGER AND BIGGER. 8

EM: (INAUDIBLE) ALRIGHT NO PROBLEM HAVE A SEAT LET ME GO GRAB MY 9

NOTEBOOK AND ILL BE RIGHT BACK OK? 10

JP: OK 11

DOOR CLOSES…………………………………………………………………………………… 12

DOOR OPENS……………………………………………………………………………………... 13

EM: DO YOU WANT A GLASS OF WATER OR ANYTHING OK? 14

DOOR CLOSES…………………………………………………………………………………… 15

DOOR OPENS……………………………………………………………………………………... 16

UK: DID YOU GET THE CAMERA? 17

JP: NO ILL GRAB IT. 18

EM: I TOTALLY FORGOT ABOUT IT IT’S NOT REALLY TO IMPORTANT RIGHT 19

NOW. 20

JP: WELL I CERTAINTLY WANT YOU TO HAVE BOTH. 21

EM: YEAH YEAH NO I DEFINITELY WANT ILL TAKE AND PHOTOGRAPH THOSE 22

INTERVIEW WITH: JOSH POWELL

INTERVIEWED BY: ELLIS MAXWELL

DATE OF INTERVIEW: 12-8-09

CASE NUMBER: 09I054602

DATE TRANSCRIBED: 12-16-09

TRANSCRIBED BY: TANYA HEGELMAN

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AGAIN. 23

JP: NOW ON ON THE WAY OVER HERE I ACTUALLY DID CALL MY ATTORNEYS 24

AND THEY SAID I SHOULD DEFINITELY HAVE AN ATTORNEY? 25

EM: WHATS THAT? 26

JP: I I CALLED MY ATTORNEYS WHICH IS PRE PAID LEGAL. 27

EM: OK 28

JP: AND THEY SAID THAT I SHOUD DEFINITILY HAVE AN ATTORNEY. 29

EM: DUDE I DIDN’T READ YOU YOUR MIRANDA RIGHTS HAVE I? 30

JP: THAT’S WHAT THEY SAID. 31

EM: OK WELL LET ME ASK YOU THIS THEN OK? 32

JP: OK 33

EM: THIS IS DO YOU FEEL LIKE YOU’RE UNDER ARREST? 34

JP: I I DON’T I DON’T KNOW I DIDN’T EVEN THINK IT WAS THAT I I DIDN’T I 35

DIDN’T EVEN THINKING YESTERDAY BUT I DON’T KNOW WHERE SHES AT 36

AND SHE AINT BACK YET. 37

EM: K OK SO YOU DON’T KNOW IF YOU’VE YOU YOU DON’T KNOW IF YOU FEEL 38

LIKE YOUR UNDER ARREST OR NOT? 39

JP: I FEEL LIKE YOU GUYS ARE I MEAN I ALREADY TOLD YOU GUYS 40

EVERYTHING I CAN THINK AND I HAVENT OH AND I ACTUALLY DID THINK 41

OF ONLY ONE THING SHE HAS ANOTHER FRIEND THAT I WASN’T EVEN 42

THINKIN OF THAT’S ONE OF HER CLOSEST FRIENDS IS KIERCY. 43

EM: OK WELL LET ME EXPLAIN SOMETHING TO YOU JOSH OK… 44

JP: BUT I CAN’T EVEN THINK STRAIGHT. 45

EM: UM K… LET ME EXPLAIN SOMETHING TO YOU YOUR NOT UNDER ARREST 46

OK? IF YOU WERE UNDER ARREST I WOULD HAVE CAME TO YOUR HOME I 47

WOULD OF PUT HAND CUFFS ON AND I WOULD HAVE BROUGHT YOU HERE 48

OK? UM SO UNDERSTAND THAT RIGHT NOW YOU’RE NOT UNDER ARREST 49

FOR ANYTHING OK? UM THE PROBLEM AND THE WHAT WERE 50

INVESTIGATING IS WHAT? A MISSING PERSON RIGHT? 51

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JP: YOUR RIGHT BUT WHAT IF (INAUDIBLE) 52

EM: AND THAT MISSING PERSON BEING YOUR WIFE. AND INITIALLY THIS ALL 53

TURNED OUT TO BE BASICALLY MISSING PEOPLE AN ENTIRE FAMILY AND 54

THAT’S WHY WE WERE NOTIFIED OK? 55

JP: OK 56

EM: AND THAT’S WHY WE WERE AT YOUR HOME THAT’S WHY WE BROKE THE 57

WINDOW INTO YOUR HOME TO MAKE SURE THAT IF THERE WAS 58

ANYBODY IN THERE THAT THEY WERE OK, OK? AND THIS REPORT CAME 59

FROM YOUR MOM WHICH IS OBVIOUSLY VERY CONCERNED AND IT WAS 60

STARTED BY THE DAYCARE PROVIDER. 61

JP: BY THE WAY SHE HAS A KEY TO MY HOUSE. 62

EM: OK 63

JP: THE DAYCARE PROVIDER HAS A KEY SO I DON’T KNOW WHY THEY WHY 64

THEY HAD TO BREAK THE WINDOW WHEN SHE STARTED IT… 65

EM: WELL… 66

JP: AND SHE HAD A KEY. 67

EM: OK WELL THAT WAS NOT BROUGHT TO OUR ATTENTION OBVIOUSLY UM 68

SO THE CONCERN HERE IS OBVIOUSLY AND YOU YOU MENTIONED THAT 69

WE TALKED (INAUDIBLE) 70

JP: AND BY THE WAY I DIDN’T (INAUDIBLE) 71

EM: WE SPOKE YESTERDAY GOT SOME GENERAL STUFF FROM YOU ALRIGHT. 72

JP: OK 73

EM: I MEAN WHAT I MEAN WHAT DO YOU WANT US TO DO? DO YOU NOT 74

WANT US TO TALK TO YOU DO YOU NOT WANT US TO TALK TO ANYBODY 75

AND JUST LEAVE YOU ALONE AND HOPE SHE SHOWS UP? 76

JP: NO NO I DON’T 77

EM: IS THAT WHAT YOU WANT US TO DO? 78

JP: NO 79

EM: OK I MEAN IM JUST TRYIN TO DO MY JOB YOU KNOW WHAT IM SAYING. 80

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WHO’S THE CLOSEST PERSON TO HER? 81

JP: (INAUDIBLE) THAT’S ME 82

EM: WHO? 83

JP: THAT’S ME 84

EM: EXACTLY SO YOU’RE TELLING ME YOU THAT YOU DO NOT WANT TO 85

COME IN HERE AND TALK TO ME AND ANSWER MY QUESTIONS…. 86

JP: (INAUDIBLE) 87

EM: SO WE CAN TRY TO FIGURE OUT WHERE POTENTIALLY SHE COULD BE? 88

JP: THEY THEY TOLD ME THAT THAT I SHOULD HAVE AN ATTORNEY CAUSE 89

YOU DON’T KNOW WHAT YOU DON’T KNOW WHATS GOING ON THEY SAID 90

THAT IM YOU KNOW PRETTY MUCH IN OVER MY HEAD. 91

EM: HMMM…OK YOUR IN OVER YOUR HEAD BECAUSE YOUR WIFE IS MISSING? 92

JP: CAUSE CAUSE YOU GUYS ARE ALREADY TRYING TO TRAP ME ON LITTLE 93

THINGS LIKE MY HANDS FOR ONE. 94

EM: TAKING PICTURES OF YOUR HANDS SHOWIN THAT THERES NO SERIOUS 95

INJURIED TO YOUR HANDS IS TRAPPING YOU HOW? 96

JP: WELL YOU GUYS WERE DOING IT YOUR TELLING ME YOUR LIKE IMPLYING. 97

EM: I ASKED YOU WHERE YOU GOT THINK NICK ON YOUR ON YOU’RE A 98

KNUCKLE. 99

JP: WELL I… 100

EM: AND YOU EXPLAINED THAT IT WAS DRY SKIN OK MAKES SENSE. 101

JP: IT ISNT DRY SKIN I WORK I MEAN I I JUST WORK. 102

EM: LIKE I SAID YOUR YOU DON’T HAVE TO BE HERE IF YOU DON’T WANT TO 103

BE HERE YOU CAN LEAVE I DIDN’T FORCE YOU TO COME HERE AND IM 104

NOT FORCING YOU TO STAY OK? IF YOU DON’T WANT TO TALK YOU CAN 105

LEAVE. 106

JP: (INAUDIBLE) I THINK I 107

EM: YOUR NOT UNDER ARREST I HAVENT READ YOU (INAUDIBLE) 108

JP: I THINK IT WOULD BE A GOOD IDEA TO TALK BUT I THINK IT MIGHT BE A 109

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GOOD IDEA TO HAVE AN AN ATTORNEY TO. 110

EM: WHATS AN ATTORNEY GONNA DO FOR YA? 111

JP: I DON’T KNOW. 112

EM: ANSWER YOUR QUESTIONS FOR YA I DON’T NEED THE ANSWERS FROM AN 113

ATTORNEY I NEED THE ANSWERS FROM THE HUSBAND THAT CLOSEST TO 114

UM THIS MISSING PERSON TO SUSAN YOU KNOW HER BETTER THEN I DO. 115

YOU KNOW HER BETTER THEN ANYBODY BECAUSE YOU GUYS HAVE BEEN 116

LIVING TOGETHER YOUR MARRIED YOU TALK TO EACH OTHER EVERY 117

DAY RIGHT? 118

JP: YEP 119

EM: OK WELL WAIT A SEC ILL BE RIGHT BACK. 120

JP: OK 121

DOOR OPENS AND CLOSES……………………………………………………………………. 122

JP: HELLO HELLO CAN YOU HEAR ME? HELLO CAN YOU HEAR ME? I CAN HEAR 123

YOU BUT IF IF YOU CANT HEAR ME YOU MUST BE (INAUDIBLE) ARE YOU 124

THERE? OK TALK TO YOU IN A MINUTE. 125

DOOR OPENS……………………………………………………………………………………... 126

UK: HI 127

JP: OH HELLO CAN I BORROW A PEN PLEASE? 128

UK: YEAH LET ME GET YOU ONE GO AHEAD HAVE A SEAT AND ILL DO YOU 129

NEED PAPER OR? 130

JP: WELL I HAVE A PAPER. 131

UK: UH HUH 132

JP: SO I JUST NEED A PEN. 133

UK: SURE YEAH GO AHEAD MAKE YOURSELF COMFORTABLE ILL GET YOU A 134

PEN. 135

JP: OK THANKS 136

DOOR CLOSES…………………………………………………………………………………… 137

DOOR OPENS……………………………………………………………………………………... 138

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UK: HERE YOU GO. 139

JP: THANK YOU 140

UK: YOUR WELCOME. 141

DOOR CLOSES…………………………………………………………………………………… 142

JP: HELLO YEAH I WAS TRYIN TO TALK TO YOU BUT I COULDN’T HEAR 143

ANYTHING I MEAN YOU COULDN’T HEAR ME THAT’S WHAT I MEANT TO 144

SAY APPARENTLY YEAH I GUESS I I COULD HEAR YOU IS THIS IS THIS HER 145

BOSSES NUMBER ALRIGHT WHAT IS THAT? OH MAN HOLD ON THIS PEN 146

ISNT WORKING (INAUDIBLE) OH COME ON. 147

DOOR OPENS…………………………………………………………………………………… 148

JP: THIS PEN DOESN’T WORK. 149

DOOR CLOSES…………………………………………………………………………………… 150

DOOR OPENS……………………………………………………………………………………... 151

UK: HOWS THAT WORKING? 152

JP: UM HOLD ON LET ME SEE YES. 153

UK: OK 154

JP: OK THANKS 155

DOOR CLOSES…………………………………………………………………………………. 156

JP: WHATS THE NUMBER? 157

DOOR OPENS AND CLOSES……………………………………………………………………. 158

JP: (INAUDIBLE) I GUESS (INAUDIBLE) DO YOU HAVE YOUR CAMERA? 159

EM: I DON’T HAVE A CAMERA. 160

JP: OK 161

EM: OK SO ARE YOU DONE WITH YOUR PHONE CALL? 162

JP: OK THAT’S ALL I NEEDED OK. 163

EM: OH 164

JP: ILL ILL TALK TO YOU LATER OK BYE. 165

EM: SORRY YOUR THROWIN ME OFF WITH THAT HEADSET DUDE. 166

JP: SORRY 167

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EM: DO YOU NEED THIS ANYMORE? DO YOU NEED TO WRITE DOWN ANYTHING 168

ELSE? 169

JP: NOT THIS MINUTE. 170

EM: OK 171

JP: BUT I FIGURED I BETTER STUCK IT THERE BEFORE I ACCIDENTLY SLIP IT IN 172

MY POCKET YOU KNOW? 173

EM: YEAH NO PROBLEM OK SO UM SO BACK TO BEING HERE DO YOU WANT TO 174

ME ABOUT YOUR WIFE AND ABOUT YOU? 175

JP: IVE IVE ALREADY TOLD YOU. 176

EM: (INAUDIBLE) WHOLE SITUATION. 177

JP: IVE ALREADY TOLDYOU EVERYTHING I CANT THINK OF ANYTHING AND I 178

JUST YOU KNOW IVE TOLD THAT HAVING AN ATTORNEY IS A BETTER 179

IDEA. 180

EM: OK WELL ATTORNEYS NOT AN ISSUE OK BECAUSE IM NOT GONNA HAVE 181

YOU CALL AND HAVE AN ATTORNEY COME UP HERE AND GO THROUGH 182

THE WHOLE ATTORNEY (INAUDIBLE) BECAUSE YOUR NOT UNDER ARREST 183

OK? 184

JP: WHAT WHAT DO YOU MEAN? I MEAN (INAUDIBLE) 185

EM: (INAUDIBLE) YOU USE AN ATTORNEY OK WHAT DO YOU USE AN 186

ATTORNEY FOR? WHEN YOUR BEING CHARGED CRIMINALLY FOR 187

SOMETHING CORRECT? 188

JP: YEAH 189

EM: OK YOU USE AN ATTORNEY FOR IF YOUR INVOLVED IN A CIVIL LAWSUIT 190

RIGHT? 191

JP: YEAH 192

EM: ALRIGHT WERE NOT DOING ANY OF THAT RIGHT? NO YOUR NOT UNDER 193

ARREST YOUR NOT BEING CHARGED FOR ANYTHING. SO AN ATTORNEY IS 194

NOT I MEAN THE ATTORNEY IS NOT AN ISSUE I MEAN THAT’S THAT’S NOT 195

AN ISSUE THE ISSUE IS THAT YOU YOU HAVE A WIFE THAT’S MISSING 196

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THAT’S THE ISSUE THAT’S THE CONCERN OK AND THAT’S WHY I DON’T 197

UNDERSTAND WHY YOUR WORRIED ABOUT HAVIN AN ATTORNEY 198

BECAUSE IM SIMPLY JUST WANTIN TO YEAH WE SPOKE LAST NIGHT BUT 199

WE DIDN’T GO INTO ANY A WHOLE LOT OF DETAILS OK I HAVE A LOT OF 200

QUESTIONS STILL ALRIGHT WE NEED TO FIND YOUR WIFE I WOULD THINK 201

THAT YOU WOULD WANT TO YOU KNOW HELP ME FIND YOUR WIFE? 202

JP: WHAT WHAT KIND OF QUESTIONS ARE THEY STILL? 203

EM: I WANT TO GO OVER UM YOU KNOW ALL OF HER FRIENDS AGAIN I WANT 204

TO GO OVER WHO SHE TALKS TO I WANT TO GO OVER HER WORK 205

HISTORY I WANT TO GO OVER WHERE YOU GUYS HAVE LIVED THERES ALL 206

KINDS OF THINGS OK DO DO YOU NOT WANT TO FIND YOUR WIFE? 207

JP: I YEAH I DO. 208

EM: YOU DO? 209

JP: YEAH 210

EM: OK WHY ARE YOU MAKING THIS SO DIFFICULT THEN? TO… 211

JP: YOU KNOW LETS GO IF IF THAT’S THE KIND OF QUESTIONS I GUESS ITS 212

FINE WILL JUST TRY IT YOU KNOW? 213

EM: WHAT ARE YOU WORRIED ABOUT? WHAT ARE YOU CONCERNED ABOUT? 214

JP: YOU GUYS YOU KNOW HAVE IMPLIED SOME THINGS AND SO IT CONCERNS 215

ME. 216

EM: WE’VE IMPLIED WHAT? 217

JP: WELL YOU’VE IMPLIED THAT MY HANDS HAVE SOME KIND OF DEFENSIVE 218

WOUNDS ON EM. 219

EM: OK 220

JP: JUST BECAUSE THERE ALL CUT UP AND THAT’S JUST THAT’S JUST THE 221

WAY THEY ARE. 222

EM: OK SO IT SHOULDN’T BE ANYTHING YOU NEED TO WORRY ABOUT THEN 223

RIGHT? I MEAN IF I HAVE DRY HANDS AND MY HANDS WERE NICK’D UP 224

LIKE THAT BECAUSE THERE DRY HANDS I DON’T THINK I WOULD BE 225

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WORRIED ABOUT IT. 226

JP: WELL GO AND ASK YOUR QUESTIONS 227

EM: I MEAN DO DO WE NOT HAVE A JOB TO DO? 228

JP: NO GO AHEAD AND A BY THE WAY UM YEAH GO AND ASK THE 229

QUESTIONS. 230

EM: K AND YOU UNDERSTAND YOU DON’T HAVE TO BE HERE RIGHT? AND YOU 231

NEED TO UNDERSTAND THAT? IF YOU WANT TO LEAVE YOU CAN LEAVE 232

AT ANYTIME. 233

JP: ALRIGHT 234

EM: YOUR NOT UNDER ARREST IM NOT DETAINING YOU OK? 235

JP: OK 236

EM: IF YOU DON’T WANT TO BE HERE YOU CAN LEAVE IF YOU DON’T WANT TO 237

TALK IM JUST SIMPLY SAYIN THAT I WANT TO FIND YOUR WIFE. 238

JP: I WANT I WANT TALK BUT I JUST WANT TO TALK BUT IM GETTING 239

SCARED. 240

EM: OK WELL I MEAN IF YOU HAVENT DONE NOTHING WRONG JOSH IF YOU 241

DIDN’T DO ANYTHING WRONG THERES NOTHING TO BE SCARED ABOUT 242

RIGHT? 243

JP: WELL IM SCARED ABOUT THE POSSIBILITES. 244

EM: OK 245

JP: WHATS HAPPENED. 246

EM: WELL IM IM WORRIED ABOUT THE POSSIBILITIES OF WHAT HAPPENED TO 247

CAUSE I HAVE NO IDEA WHERE SHES AT AND YOU DON’T EITHER AND 248

THAT’S WHY I NEED YOUR HELP. 249

JP: ALRIGHT YEAH GO AHEAD AND ASK THE QUESTIONS. 250

EM: LETS START OFF ON HOW LONG YOU’VE LIVED HERE UM HOW LONG HAVE 251

YOU GUYS LIVED IN UTAH? 252

JP: ABOUT FIVE YEARS. 253

EM: WHEN DID YOU GUYS… 254

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JP: LETS SEE WAS IT 2009 MAYBE 6 YEARS NOW IT SEEMS LIKE IT WAS MAYBE 255

IT WAS 3 LATE DECEMBER NOVEMBER DECEMBER OF 03 I THINK WE 256

CAME. 257

EM: OK DECEMBER OF 2003 258

JP: IT SEEMS LIKE IT. 259

EM: IS WHEN YOU GUYS MOVED HERE? 260

JP: I MEAN THAT’S THE BEST THAT I CAN RECALL. 261

EM: OK WHERE DID YOU GUYS MOVE FROM? 262

JP: A WASHINGTON WA…WASHINGTON STATE. 263

EM: OK WHERE IN WASHINGTON STATE? 264

JP: UM A WE LIVED IN YACAMA WE (INAUDIBLE) RETIREMENT FACILITY. 265

EM: UM HUH 266

JP: UM LETS SEE UM ACTUALLY ACTUALLY WE A WE MET AN A THEY CALL IT 267

INSTITUTE OF RELIGION. 268

EM: THAT’S WHERE YOU GUYS ACTUALLY MET? 269

JP: WELL TECHNICALLY NO. 270

EM: INSTITUTE OF RELIGION. 271

JP: BUT THAT’S WHEN WE MET FOR REAL. 272

EM: OK IS THAT IN WASHINGTON STATE? 273

JP: IN TACOMA. 274

EM: HOW OLD WERE YA? 275

JP: (INAUDIBLE) 276

EM: WHEN WAS THAT WHAT YEAR? 277

JP: 2000 278

EM: OK ALRIGHT WHEN DID YOU GUYS GET MARRIED? WHAT YEAR DID YOU 279

GET MARRIED? 280

JP: A 2000 A IT’S DRAWING A BLANK I THINK IT WAS 2000 BUT EITHER THAT 281

OR IT WAS 2001. 282

EM: OK 283

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JP: AND IT WAS IN APRIL. 284

EM: APRIL? 285

JP: A YEAH ACTUALLY APRIL 6TH

286

EM: OK SO YOU GUYS MET IN THE INSTITUTE OF RELIGION IN WASHINGTON 287

STATE YOU GUYS GOT MARRIED IN APRIL OF 2000 OR 2001 RIGHT? AND 288

YOU GUYS LIKED IN YACAMA. 289

JP: A ACTUALLY SORRY I WAS GOING BACKWARDS UM WE LIVED IN TACOMA. 290

EM: UM HUH 291

JP: IN HER APARTMENT AND THEN WE LIVED IN I THINK A SPANAWAY IN AN 292

APARTMENT I THINK WE MOVED TO YACAMA A TIME OR TWO WE STAYED 293

WITH FAMILY BOTH HER PARENTS AND MY DAD UM A THEN WE MOVED 294

TO YACAMA BECAUSE MANAGING A RETIREMENT FACILITY. 295

EM: UM HUH 296

JP: AND THEN WE MOVED TO OLYMPIA MANAGING ANOTHER RETIRMENT 297

FACILITY AND THEN WE MOVED TO A I THINK THAT’S WHEN WE MOVED 298

TO UTAH. (INAUDIBLE) 299

EM: OK AND YOU SAID THAT WAS UM WHEN WAS THAT A 2003? RIGHT? 300

DECEMEBER OF 2003. 301

JP: I THINK SO. 302

EM: OK 303

JP: IT SEEMS LIKE 2004 MARCHISH WE BOUGHT OUR HOUSE. 304

EM: WHICH HOUSE DID YOU BUY? 305

JP: WELL THAT’S THE HOUSE. 306

EM: OK SO WHEN YOU MOVED HERE TO UTAH YOU BOUGHT THE HOUSE IN 307

SARAH CIRCLE? 308

JP: YEAH (INAUDIBLE) STAYED WITH FAMILY UNTIL THEN. 309

EM: WHICH FAMILY DID YOU STAY WITH? 310

JP: MY SISTER. 311

EM: JENNIFER? OK WAS JENNIFER LIVING WITH A YOUR MOM AT THE TIME OR 312

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WAS SHE LIVING AWAY FROM YOUR MOM OR DO DO DO THEY LIVE 313

TOGETHER? 314

JP: NO THEY THEY LIVE TOGETHER BUT THEY DIDN’T AT THE TIME. 315

EM: OH OK 316

JP: SHE ONLY MOVED HERE MY MOM… 317

EM: UM HUH 318

JP: MAYBE LAST YEAR. 319

EM: OH OK ALRIGHT SO WHAT BROUGHT YOU GUYS TO UTAH. 320

JP: JUST UM…IM SORRY WHAT DID YOU SAY? 321

EM: WHAT BROUGHT YOU GUYS TO UTAH? 322

JP: A JUST GETTING AWAY AND GETTING STOP NOT TO FAR FROM FAMILY 323

BUT GETTING A LITTLE FARTHER FROM FAMILY YOU KNOW. 324

EM: UM HUH OK WHERE DID YOU GO TO SCHOOL? WHERE DID YOU GO TO 325

COLLEGE? DID YOU GO TO COLLEGE? 326

JP: UM THAT WAS BEFORE WE MET BUT I WENT TO THE UW, PEARCE COLLEGE 327

AND THE EASTERN WASHINGTON. 328

EM: UM HUH 329

JP: AT DIFFERENT TIMES. 330

EM: OK DO ANY SPORTS? OR WHAT WAS DID YOU GET A DEGREE THERE? 331

JP: YEAH 332

EM: WHAT DID YOU GET A DEGREE IN? 333

JP: A ASSOCIATES AND THEN I GOT A BUSINESS DEGREE. 334

EM: OK ALRIGHT SO YOU GUYS BOUGHT SO YOU MOVED HERE IN 2003 STAYED 335

WITH YOUR SISTER FOR A LITTLE WHILE THEN YOU’VE LIVED THERE EVER 336

SENSE? RIGHT? OK WHAT UM WHAT WERE YOUR GUYS EMPLOYERS WHEN 337

YOU MOVED HERE IN UTAH? 338

JP: NONE 339

EM: YOU DIDN’T HAVE A JOB AND SARAH DIDN’T SUSAN DIDN’T HAVE A JOB? 340

OK SO WHAT WAS YOUR FIRST EMPLOYERS YOURS AND SUSANS? 341

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JP: (INAUDIBLE) WHICH IS FIDELITY IT’S OUR TEMP AGENCY. 342

EM: A TEMP AGENCY? THAT WAS FOR YOU? 343

JP: BOTH 344

EM: FOR BOTH OF YA? OK 345

JP: YEAH WE BOTH WERE WE WORKED IN DIFFERENT DEPARTMENTS I ONLY 346

LASTED AWHILE… 347

EM: UM HUH 348

JP: MAYBE A MONTH CAUSE IT WAS DATA ENTRY. 349

EM: YEAH THAT DOESN’T SOUND VERY FUN DOES IT.? 350

JP: NO AND SPEED IS NOT MY SPECIALITY. 351

EM: AND UM EXPLAIN TO ME IN MORE DETAILS AS FAR AS WHERE YOU GUYS 352

GOT JOBS AFTER THAT YOU AND HER. 353

JP: WELL SHE SHE WORKED FOR FIDELITY AND KEEPT WORK AND KEPT 354

WORKIN THERE. 355

EM: OK 356

JP: UM I THINK I MIGHT HAVE STARTED REAL ESTATE AFTER THAT. 357

EM: UM HUH WHEN DID SHE LEAVE FIDELITY? 358

JP: A SHE SHE GOT PREGNANT AND AFTER THE BABY SHE STAYED HOME. 359

EM: OK AND THAT WAS WHEN? 360

JP: UM I MEAN A I MEAN OH WHEN WAS THE BABY BORN? 361

EM: WHEN SHE STOPPED WHEN SHE STOPPED WORKING? 362

JP: OH (INAUDIBLE) IN JANUARY 19… 363

EM: STOPPED WORKING SO WHEN DID SHE STOP WORKING FIDELITY? 364

JP: PROBABLY A MONTH OR TWO AFTER HE VACATION I GUESS. 365

EM: HER VACATION? 366

JP: A FMLA. 367

EM: OK 368

JP: FAMILY (INAUDIBLE) 369

EM: SO 2005? AFTER HAVING THE CHAR UM (INAUDIBLE) 370

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JP: IT SEEMS NO NO CHARLIE IT SEEMS LIKE THAT’S ABOUT WHAT HAPPENED. 371

EM: OK ALRIGHT AND THEN A YOU SAY YOU STARTED REAL ESTATE AT THAT 372

TIME? 373

JP: UM I I WENT TO A STRINGHAM 374

EM: OK AND WHO DID YOU START WORKING WITH THEN? 375

JP: A PRUDENTIAL. 376

EM: OK AND DID YOU JUST STAY WITH PRUDENTIAL OR DID YOU WHAT DID 377

YOU DO… 378

JP: NO I JUST… 379

EM: HOW LONG DID YOU STAY WITH PRUDENTIAL? 380

JP: THEY TAKE TOO MUCH ON COMMISSION. 381

EM: UM HUH 382

JP: I WAS THERE NINE MONTHS MAYBE OR SOMETHING LIKE THAT AND THEN 383

I SWITCHED TO HOMENET 384

EM: AND UM DESCRIBE HOMENET MORE TO ME I DON’T UNDERSTAND WHAT 385

THAT IS. IS THAT A COMPANY? 386

JP: IT’S JUST A BROKER COMPANY. 387

EM: BROKER? 388

JP: HE HAS AN OFFICE THAT YOU KNOW PEOPLE CAN COME IN AND USE AND 389

HE HAS CUBICLES SOME PEOPLE RENT THEIR CUBICLES BUT I DIDN’T NEED 390

TO AT PRU…AT A PRUDENTIAL THEY THEY HAVE CUBICLES BUT THEY 391

CHARGE 50 45-50% OF THE COMMISSION. 392

EM: OH REALLY 393

JP: WHEN THEY REALLY DON’T DO ANYTHING. 394

EM: YEAH THEY JUST PROVIDE YOU A WORK SPACE. 395

JP: HOMENET CHARG… CHARGED VERY LITTLE AND THEY DON’T REALLY DO 396

ANYTHING EITEHR…. 397

EM: OK 398

JP: I MEAN THEY DO AS MUCH AS PRUDENTIAL I MEAN EVERYTHING ON THE 399

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LIST THEY DO. 400

EM: HMMM… 401

JP: SO (INAUDIBLE) 402

EM: SO IT’S (INAUDIBLE)… 403

JP: IT’S A NO BRAINER FOR ME AND AND THE ONLY REASON I WOULD STAY IS 404

IF THEY HAD A PR…A REPUTATION. 405

EM: RIGHT SO HOMENET IS BASICALLY JUST A PLACE LIKE A HOMEBASE FOR 406

YOUR COMPANY? 407

JP: UM IT’S JUST A COMPANY. 408

EM: (INAUDIBLE) IS THIS YOUR OWN COMPANY? 409

JP: HOMENETS A (INAUDIBLE) 410

EM: YOUR REAL ESTATE? NO YOUR REAL ESTATE YOUR DOING REAL ESTATE 411

SO… 412

JP: OH AS AN AGENT OK HERES WHAT THEY DO THEY HAVE A THEY HAVE 413

AGENTS AND BROKERS. 414

EM: UM HUH 415

JP: YOU HAVE TO WORK UNDER A BROKER OR ELSE YOU CANT WORK. 416

EM: RIGHT 417

JP: UM SO I JUST PICKED ONE 418

EM: OK 419

JP: AND LIKE I SAY HOMENET I JUST SOME HOW RAN INTO EM AND THEN 420

FOUND OUT THERE COMMISSION STRUCTURE AND I WAS LIKE NO 421

BRAINER. 422

EM: RIGHT YOU’D MAKE MORE MONEY. 423

JP: (INAUDIBLE) UM… AND IT AND IT REALLY DIDN’T MAKE ANY DIFFERENCE 424

BECAUSE I I AND I ACTUALLY WAS TELLIN MY CLIENTS DID DID DO YOU 425

KNOW WHAT COMPANY I WORK FOR NO. THEY DON’T CARE THERE 426

REPUTATION OBVIOUSLY WASN’T HELPIN ME A WHOLE LOT. 427

EM: YEAH 428

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JP: SO I… 429

EM: BECAUSE YOU JUST BASICALLY A WAS THAT THE UM JOSH JOSH POWELL 430

REALTY RIGHT? OK GOT YA. UM SO… 431

JP: AND I ACTUALLY HAVE A BROKER LICENSE NOW MYSELF. 432

EM: OH DO YA? GOOD FOR YOU. 433

JP: AND IM… (INAUDIBLE) 434

EM: IS THAT DIFFICULT TO GET? 435

JP: WELL IM ACTIVE BUT IM I TURN PEOPLE AWAY. 436

EM: WHY? 437

JP: IM TO TO BUSY 438

EM: YEAH 439

JP: AND I DON’T FEEL LIKE I CAN WORK A FORTY HOUR JOB AND SERVE EM 440

AND SOME PEOPLE THINK THEY CAN. 441

EM: YEAH 442

JP: OR THERE GREEDY ENOUGH TO TAKE THE MONEY AND I JUST I JUST AM I I 443

JUST CANT DO IT TO EM. 444

EM: RIGHT 445

JP: I MEAN 446

EM: OK SO WHEN SHE UM SO SUSAN QUITS WORKIN IN 2005 AND YOU GUYS 447

HAVE A CHILD DOES SHE GO BACK TO WORK? 448

JP: I DON’T THINK SHE WORKED FOR A YEAR AND HALF OR TWO YEARS OR… 449

EM: OK 450

JP: A PROBABLY A YEAR YEAR AND A HALF UM I JUST I CANT EVEN 451

REMEMBER. I THINK OH SHE WENT BACK TO WORK FOR FIDELITY FOR 452

AWHILE I THINK SOMEONE PAID THE INSURANCE. 453

EM: SO YOU THINK SHE WENT BACK TO WORK AT FIDELITY? 454

JP: I THINK SO I I JUST AM TRYIN TO REMEMBER HOW ALL THIS FIT TOGETHER 455

SHE UM SHE WE HAD INSURANCE ON BOTH KIDS. 456

EM: UM HUH 457

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JP: AS I RECALL I THINK IT MIGHT HAVE BEEN FIDELITY AND THEN AFTER THE 458

OTHER BABY YOU KNOW 459

EM: UM HUH 460

JP: SHE UM A LETS SEE AFTER SHE WENT I THINK SHE TOOK A 461

YEAR OFF OR SOME AMOUNT OF TIME OFF. 462

EM: UM HUH 463

JP: IN FACT I THINK IT WAS A YEAR. 464

EM: UM K… 465

JP: CAUSE I JUST REMEMBER SHE COULDN’T BACK AND WORK FOR FIDELITY 466

AND THAT’S WHY SHE ENDED UP AT WELLS FARGO. 467

EM: OK SO WHEN DID SHE GO WORK FOR WELLS FARGO? 468

JP: UM ABOUT TWO YEARS AGO MAYBE. 469

EM: OK 470

JP: I THINK MAYBE JANUARY 15TH

OR SOMETHING? 471

EM: YEAH OK 472

JP: I DON’T KNOW OH AND THEN I WORKED FOR A I WORKED FOR A DUDE IN 473

ACCOUNTING FOR SIX WEEKS. 474

EM: OK 475

JP: FROM JANUARY 2ND

I THINK IS WHEN I STARTED. 476

EM: UM HUH 477

JP: BUT HE WAS KIND OF A SHISTER AND SO I DIDN’T WANT TO STAY HE I 478

MEAN HE HE WASN’T REALLY BUT HIS CLIENTS WERE AND HE WAS 479

WILLING TO LOOK THE OTHER WAY AND IM GOIN I DON’T THINK SO HE 480

HAD A DUDE THAT WAS GALL WHAT WAS IT THERE WAS A GUY RUNNING 481

A BUSINESS. 482

EM: SO DID YOU JUST… 483

JP: I THINK HE WAS ASKING QUESTIONS ABOUT A OR ASKING THEM TO 484

CHANGE THINGS YOU KNOW FOR AN AUDITOR. 485

EM: RIGHT 486

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JP: OR SOMETHING AND UM… 487

EM: SO DID YOU JUST WORK FOR THEM FOR TIME AND THEN GO TO 488

(INAUDIBLE) 489

JP: I CANT REMEMBER (INAUDIBLE) ANYTHING ELSE THAT DROVE ANOTHER 490

BUSINESS OUT OF BUSINESS. 491

EM: OK BUT DID YOU JUST STAY WITH THEM FOR A SHORT TIME AND THEN GO 492

TO ASPEN LOGISTICS AFTER THAT? 493

JP: YEAH 494

EM: WHATS ASPEN LOGISTICS TELL ME MORE ABOUT THAT? 495

JP: UM THERE THERE TRACKING LOGISTICS. 496

EM: UM HUH 497

JP: BASICALLY THEY HAVE A WAREHOUSE, RACKING, FORKLIFTS AND DOOR 498

TRUCK DOORS AND THEY JUST MOVE IT IN MOVE IT OUT, 499

EM: WHAT DO YOU DO FOR THEM? 500

JP: SOMETIMES ILL (INAUDIBLE) DOCK IT INTO ANOTHER TRUCK. UM I I 501

PROGRAM… 502

EM: OK 503

JP: I PROGRAM THEIR WEBSITE. 504

EM: OK ALRIGHT UM SO WHAT ARE SOME HOBBIES THAT A THAT YOU AND 505

SUSAN ARE INTERESTED IN? 506

JP: UM WELL I I LIKE WOOD WORKING. 507

EM: UM HUH 508

JP: AND ART AND I USUALLY I LIKE WORKIN ON THE HOUSE YOU KNOW FIXIN 509

BUILD OH NOT FIXING BUT BUILDING THE DECK AND THINGS LIKE THAT 510

YOU KNOW? 511

EM: UM HUH 512

JP: SUSAN LIKES ART. 513

EM: SHE LIKES WHAT? 514

JP: SHE SHE LIKES ART. 515

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EM: OH ART OK 516

JP: SHE LIKES CROCHETING UM SHE LIKES FACEBOOK (LAUGHING) IF YOU 517

CAN CALL THAT A HOBBY, 518

EM: THAT’S MOST PEOPLE YEAH… 519

JP: UM SHE LIKES OUR KIDS AND YOU KNOW BEING WITH THEM WELL AND 520

OBVIOUSLY I DO TO. 521

EM: YEAH ABSOLUTELY 522

JP: UM WE JUST LIKE TO GO TO USUALLY THE CHEAP PLACES NOT ALWAYS 523

BUT UM WE GOT A ZOO MEMBERSHIP. 524

EM: UM HUH 525

JP: ANYWAY WE GO THERE ABOUT FOUR OR FIVE TIMES SIX OR I DON’T 526

KNOW UM UM… 527

EM: SO THOSE ARE SOME HOBBIES THAT SHE LIKES SHE ENJOYS… 528

JP: OH AND WE GO WE EAT OUT ON KIND OF A REGULAR BASIS. 529

EM: WHAT? 530

JP: SOMETIMES WE EAT OUT 531

EM: OH OK 532

JP: A LITTLE BIT MORE OFTEN THEN WE SHOULD. 533

EM: YEAH I KNOW DON’T WE ALWAYS LIKE EATIN OUT ALWAYS TASTES 534

BETTER DON’T IT? 535

JP: YEAH KIND OF IT KIND OF DOES. 536

EM: UNLESS IF YOU GET A BAD RESTRAUNANT. 537

JP: THEY USUALLY PUT ENOUGH FAT IN IT THAT WE DON’T PUT IN IT THAT 538

THAT’S BETTER TASTING. 539

EM: YEAH EXACTLY 540

JP: BUT UM IT’S ALSO CHEAPER. 541

EM: UM HUH 542

JP: SOMETIMES CAUSE WE GO TO DEL TACO. 543

EM: YEAH 544

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JP: FOR TUESDAY AND WE CAN EAT OUR WHOLE FAMILY FOR FIVE BUCKS 545

EM: REALLY? WOW 546

JP: $4.70 547

EM: UM WHAT ARE SOME OTHER THINGS? 548

JP: $4.70 FOUR FIVE FOUR OR FIVE BUCKS PLUS TAX. 549

EM: YEAH WHAT ARE SOME OTHER THINGS THAT SHE LIKES TO DO? I MEAN 550

WE TALKED ABOUT SOME HOBBIES WHAT ARE SOME OTHER THINGS THAT 551

SHE LIKES TO DO? 552

JP: UM MAKEUP SHE HAS LIKE SHE HAS A CLUB OR SOMETHING. 553

EM: UM HUH 554

JP: OR NOT A SHE JUST HAS FRIENDS THAT SHE DOES IT WITH. 555

EM: UM HUH 556

JP: SHE HAS A SHE HAD A FOOD PARTY. 557

EM: UM HUH 558

JP: JUST WANTED TO HAVE EVERYONE OVER 559

EM: UM HUH 560

JP: TO TASTE FOOD SO WE DID WE GOT A LITTLE BIT OF FOOD FROM THAT. 561

EM: TELL ME EVERYTHING ABOUT HER THINGS THAT SHE LIKED TO DO 562

PLACES SHE LIKED TO GO PLACES THAT SHE LIKED TO REVISIT THAT SHE 563

WOULD FREQUENTLY GO TO? 564

JP: UM A SHE WOULD GO TO HER FRIENDS HOUSES MOST OF WHICH I 565

ALREADY TOLD YOU. 566

EM: WHICH WHICH FRIENDS HOUSE WOULD SHE GO TO THE MOST? 567

JP: SHE GOES TO THEM ALL 568

EM: YEAH BUT THERES GOTTA BE MORE OF A LIKE A PERSON THAT’S MORE 569

FREQUENT I MEAN WE ALL HAVE A WE ALL HAVE FRIENDS. 570

JP: IT ROTATES. IT KIND OF LIKE IT KIND OF ALMOST ROTATES. A SOMETIMES 571

IT’S ONE SOMETIMES IT’S ANOTHER (INAUDIBLE) 572

EM: OK WHO HAS IT BEEN THE LAST THREE MONTHS? 573

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JP: UM THE PETERSONS SHES TALKED TO QUIT A BIT. IF … 574

EM: HOW ABOUT GOING TO THERE HOMES AND VISITING WHO WOULD BE THE 575

MOST FREQUENT? 576

JP: YEAH IVE FOUND HER…IVE FOUND HER OVER THERE A FEW TIMES. 577

EM: UM HUH 578

JP: UM…AND IVE HAD TO GO PICK HER UP CAUSE OF WELL IT WAS JUST DARK 579

AND I DIDN’T WANT HER TO WALK WITH THE KIDS HOME THOUGH ALL 580

THE WAY HOME YOU KNOW? 581

EM: YEAH 582

JP: UM…JUDY WADE COMES OVER ALL THE TIME. 583

EM: JUDY WADE COMES OVER TO YOUR HOUSE? 584

JP: AND THEN SHE GOES OVER THERE SOMETIMES. 585

EM: OK 586

JP: UM DEBBIE THE DAY DAYCARE LADY. 587

EM: UM HUH YEAH DEBBIE DAYCARE PROVIDER. 588

JP: SHES BEEN HANGIN OUT WITH HER REGULARLY 589

EM: K 590

JP: LIKE COUPLE TIMES A MONTH OR SOMETHING IT SEEMS LIKE. 591

EM: OK 592

JP: UM… 593

EM: K WHAT UM 594

JP: UM SHE SHE USE TO GO OVER TO KIRSTIES ALL THE TIME BUT I DON’T 595

KNOW IF THEY REALLY GET TOGETHER IN PERSON A LOT OH AND SHE 596

LIKES TO GO TO THE CROCHET CLUB. 597

EM: UM HUH 598

JP: THEY DO HAVE A CROCHET CLUB IN THE CHURCH, 599

EM: OK 600

JP: UM AND SHE GOES TO ALL KINDS OF ACTIVITIES WITH THE CHURCH UM 601

SHE LIKES TO SING IN THE CHOIR. 602

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EM: OK 603

JP: OH AND THAT SOMETIMES SHE LEAVES AGAIN FOR THAT USUALLY 604

SUNDAYS SOMETIMES WEEKNIGHTS. 605

EM: YEAH 606

JP: UM SHE LIKES TO GO OUT WITH GIRLS NIGHTS OH A TARA ALLRED AND 607

ALLISON ST. LOUIS I FORGOT TO MENTION THEM I DON’T KNOW IF YOU… 608

EM: HOW CLOSE WAS SHE TO THEM? 609

JP: UM…THEY ALL SEEM LIKE THERE CLOSE WITH HER. 610

EM: OK LET’S GO THROUGH THIS REAL QUICK UM GIVE ME A LIST OF 611

CHECKING ACCOUNTS CREDIT CARDS THAT YOU GUYS HAVE. 612

JP: WELL SHE HAS IT SEEMS LIKE SHE HAS A COUPLE OF ACCOUNTS AT 613

614

EM: OK 615

JP: UM… 616

EM: SO IS THAT GONNA BE JOINT OR INDIVIDUAL? 617

JP: UM I THINK THERES A JOINT AND AN INDIVIDUAL ONE OF EACH. 618

EM: OK K SO 619

JP: A WE HAVE RETIREMENT ACCOUNTS THERE. 620

EM: OK IM JUST TALKING LIKE CREDIT CARDS OR CHECKING ACCOUNTS. 621

JP: OH OH YEAH UM OK WE HAVE AT THE 622

THAT’S A LONG TIME CREDIT UNION FOR US. 623

EM: UM HUH SO THAT’S JOINT? 624

JP: A YES. 625

EM: OK 626

JP: UM 627

EM: OK 628

JP: I THINK THERE MIGHT BE TWO ACCOUNTS THERE CURRENTLY I THINK WE 629

HAD A JOINT AND A AND I OPENED UP A PERSONAL ONE. 630

EM: OK ALRIGHT. 631

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JP: UM IVE GOT SEVERAL BUSINESS ACCOUNTS THERE.SHE DOESN’T 632

ACCESS THOSE AT ALL. 633

EM: OK 634

JP: UM WELL AND I I DON’T THINK SHE HAS ANY ACCOUNTS AT CHASE. 635

EM: OK 636

JP: I GOT LIKE MAYBE FOUR OR FIVE I DON’T KNOW. I GOT A COUPLE FOR 637

BUSINESS I THINK AT LEAST I THINK I GOT ONE FOR MY REALESTATE 638

BROKERAGE. 639

EM: UM HUH 640

JP: THAT WAS REQUIRED THAT’S JUST EMPTY. 641

EM: UM HUH 642

JP: AND I GOT ONE THAT’S JUST A PERSONAL ACCOUNT BECAUSE THEY GAVE 643

ME TWO HUNDRED BUCKS OR A HUNDRED OR TWO HUNDRED I DON’T 644

REMEMBER WHAT IT WAS. 645

EM: YEAH (INAUDIBLE) I REMEMBER SEEING THAT ADVERTISEMENT. 646

JP: AND I WAS LIKE WHATEVER 647

EM: YEAH 648

JP: AND THEN THERE LIKE YOU HAVE TO DIRECT DEPOSIT, 649

EM: UM HUH 650

JP: OH FINE SO I PUT FIFTY BUCKS IN THERE EVERY MONTH. 651

EM: YEAH YEAH I USE TO A GET THE I DON’T GET THE SAME THING. 652

JP: WELL IT’S ACTUALLY NOT A BAD BANK I I HAVE BEEN HAPPY WITH I WAS 653

WITH WITH MY BUSINESS BUT I IVE BEEN HAPPY 654

WITH YOU KNOW. 655

EM: RIGHT 656

JP: THERE THERE EQUIVALENT TO EXCEPT NOT AS 657

CASUAL 658

EM: YEAH SO WE GOT 659

WHAT ELSE….

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JP: I CAN’T THINK OF ANY OFF THE TOP OF MY HEAD. DID YOU LOOK IN HER 661

WALLET AND SEE IF ANY OF THAT OR? 662

EM: UM 663

JP: AND SEE IF THERES ANY OTHERS? 664

EM: I SEEN THAT THERE WAS A 665

JP: UM YEAH SHE I THINK SHES GOT A COUPLE ACCOUNTS AT 666

EM: OK 667

JP: HONESTLY IF SHE WORKS THERE THEY GIVE HER EVERYTHING FREE. 668

EM: OK HOW BOUT CREDIT CARDS. YOU KNOW 669

JP: OH A… 670

EM: UM 671

JP: 672

EM: IS THAT JOINT? 673

JP: NO 674

EM: YOURS OR HERS? 675

JP: IT’S HERS. OH AND I THINK YEAH SHES GOT A 676

CARD. 677

EM: K SO 678

JP: YEAH 679

EM: HOW BOUT GAS CARDS? 680

JP: I DON’T THINK (INAUDIBLE) 681

EM: FOR GAS COMPANIES 682

JP: I I I JUST CANT THINK OF ANY THAT SHE WOULD HAVE. I HAVE ONE… 683

EM: YOU HAVE ONE. 684

JP: I THINK IVE HAD IT FOR TWELVE I MEAN I CANT SAY HOW LONG BUT IVE 685

HAD IT FOR A LONG TIME? 686

EM: OK IS THAT WHAT YOU USE TO GET GAS. DO YOU USE IT TO GET YOUR 687

GAS? WHATS THAT THROUGH? 688

JP: UM 689

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EM: OK ANY OTHER CREDIT CARDS? 690

JP: A I HAVE A 691

EM: OK ANYTHING ELSE? 692

JP: I JUST CAN’T THINK OF ANY. 693

EM: OK ALRIGHT SO OUT OF ALL THE ACCOUNTS. 694

JP: OH AND I HAVE HER CARD CAUSE SHE WELL I DON’T HAVE MY PIN. 695

EM: OH OK 696

JP: AND SO WHEN I NEED TO GO SHOPPING AT WINCO WHICH IS A BRAND NEW 697

STORE OVER THERE IN WEST VALLEY 698

EM: UM HUH 699

JP: UM THEY DON’T TAKE CREDIT SO… 700

EM: OH 701

JP: IVE GOT CAUGHT THERE A TIME OR TWO AND IVE HAD TO GO BACK AND 702

GET BASICALLY HER DEBIT CARD CAUSE IT’S THE ONLY ONE WE KNOW 703

THE PIN ON. 704

EM: OK OK SO YOU HAVE THAT CARD? 705

JP: YEAH 706

EM: SHE’S… 707

JP: AND I I THINK THEY CHARGE A COUPLE BUCKS FOR THE PIN TO RESET. 708

EM: YEAH PROBABLY 709

JP: I DIDN’T I JUST HAVENT DONE IT CAUSE THAT’S THE ONLY STORE I NEED 710

TO HAVE A PIN AND I HAVENT UM I PROBABLY SHOULD GO GET IT RESET. 711

EM: OK ALRIGHT LETS TALK UM LETS TALK MORE ABOUT UM THESE ARE ALL 712

THE CREDIT CARDS AND CHECKING ACCOUNTS, DEBIT CARDS THAT SHE 713

WOULD HAVE ACCESS TO OR MAY USE. 714

JP: THAT’S ALL I COULD THINK OF. 715

EM: RIGHT? 716

JP: THAT’S ALL I CAN THINK OF. 717

EM: OK IF YOU THINK OF ANOTHER ONE JUST LET ME KNOW SO WE CAN JOT IT 718

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DOWN OK? 719

JP: YEAH 720

EM: UM LETS GO BACK TO UM THE AND HER AND YOU UM YOU STATED THAT 721

YOU KNOW SHE LOVED THE KIDS SHE LOVED DOING THINGS WITH THE 722

KIDS A TELL ME MORE ABOUT THE RELATIONSHIP BETWEEN HER AND 723

AND THE BOYS. 724

JP: UM YOU KNOW SHE SHE LOVES THEM I MEAN SHE WE BOTH READ THEM 725

STORIES UM YOU KNOW WE WE WE JUST WOULD PREFER TO TAKE THEM 726

A LOT OF PEOPLE LIKE TO LEAVE THE KIDS HOME AND GET AWAY, 727

EM: UM HUH 728

JP: AND ITS LIKE WERE THE OPPOSITE OF COURSE WE WORK SO WE DON’T 729

WANT TO GET AWAY FROM THEM WE WANT T GET BACK TO THEM. 730

EM: EXACTLY 731

JP: AND THAT’S THE WAY SHE SHE IS WITH THE KIDS. JUST UM UM SHE LIKES 732

TO DO ART WITH THEM. 733

EM: UM HUH 734

JP: A SHE SAVES THEIR LITTLE DRAWINGS WHICH I DO TO BUT UM UM SHES 735

MAKING A BABY BOOK FOR EM… 736

EM: UM HUH 737

JP: A…EACH OF THEM YEAH 738

EM: THAT’S ALWAYS NICE. 739

JP: OH AND THEN SHE READS (INAUDIBLE) UM SOMETIMES FOR STORIES, 740

EM: UM 741

JP: A SHE ALWAYS LIKES TO BUY THEM TOYS. LIKE AT THE DOLLAR STORE. 742

EM: UM HUH 743

JP: WHICH IS ANNOYING BECAUSE THEY SUCK (INAUDIBLE) 744

EM: DOLLAR QUALITY 745

JP: IM LIKE IF YOUR GONNA BUY A TOY BUY A NICE ONE. 746

EM: K 747

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JP: BUT THEN AGAIN IF SHES GONNA BUY IT EVERYTIME SHE GOES OUT A 748

WHATEVER THE KIDS LIKE IT YOU KNOW. 749

EM: YEAH 750

JP: I MEAN…UM SHE LIKES TO HELP THEM PICK UP THE TOYS AND LEARN 751

HOW TO DO ALL THESE THINGS YOU KNOW? 752

EM: UM HUH 753

JP: UM HMM…SOMETIMES WE WATCH A MOVIE WITH THEM JUST USUALLY 754

AT HOME SOMETIMES WE GO OUT TO DO IT USUALLY WELL I SAY 755

USUALLY BUT IT’S ALMOST ALWAYS AT THE CHEAP THEATRE. 756

EM: YEAH 757

JP: CAUSE I I I MEAN CAUSE I JUST WON’T DO IT I MEAN THE DAYCARE 758

PROVIDER APPARENTLY TAKES THEM TO THE EXPENSIVE THEATRE. 759

EM: UM HUH 760

JP: UM AND SHES LIKE IT’S TOO DIRTY AND I DON’T WANT TO PUT YOUR KIDS 761

IN THAT FILTH I MEAN I DON’T WANT TO LET THEM EAT OFF THE FLOOR. 762

EM: YEAH 763

JP: THAT WOULD DISGUSTING IN ANY THEATRE BUT I JUST CANT I JUST CANT 764

SEE IT YOU KNOW SO WE BUY EM ON DVD. 765

EM: K 766

JP: A…STUFF LIKE THAT. 767

EM: SO SHE ENJOYED BEING WITH KIDS AS WELL AS YOURSELF WHEN YOU 768

GUYS WERENT AT WORK RIGHT? UM…K 769

JP: AND WE JUST FIND FAMILY ACTIVITIES OH AND WE GO FEED THE DUCKS 770

ALL THE TIME. 771

EM: UM HUH 772

JP: UM I HAVE AN RC CAR SOMETIMES WILL GO OUT AND DRIVE THAT 773

ALTHOUGH SHES NOT FOND OF THE RC CAR. 774

EM: YEAH 775

JP: WHAT CAN YOU DO? 776

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EM: (INAUDIBLE) OK 777

JP: BUT SHE DOES LOVE THE FACT THAT I HAVE IT SCALED DOWN TO THE 778

KIDS SPEED. 779

EM: RIGHT 780

JP SO THEY CAN ACTUALLY GRAB THE REMOTE AND DRIVE IT. 781

EM: OK WHAT DO YOU GUYS DO USUALLY DO WHAT DO YOU LIKE TO DO? 782

WHAT DO YOU DO MOST FREQUENTLY TOGETHER AS A FAMILY WHEN 783

YOU LEAVE THE HOME? I MEANYOU MENTIONED THE ZOO; YOU 784

MENTIONED THE GOING OUT TO EAT? MOVIES? IS THERE ANY OTHER 785

STUFF ANY OUTDOOR ACTIVITIES THAT YOU GUYS FREQUENTLY GO DO? 786

JP: WELL MOSTLY GOING OUT TO EAT. 787

EM: UM HUH 788

JP: UM WE WE DO THAT ON A REGULAR BASIS. 789

EM: HMMM K 790

JP: AND I ACTUALLY AM I I KINDA HAVE TO GO OUT WITH MY FRIENDS AT 791

WORK UM PARTLY WANT TO PARTLY HAVE TO. 792

EM: UM HUH 793

JP: WELL I FEEL LIKE I HAVE TO IT DOESN’T. 794

EM: RIGHT 795

JP: YOU KNOW WHAT I MEAN? 796

EM: YEAH 797

JP: THAT’S ONCE A WEEK BUT ALL EVERY YEAH I MEAN WE USUALLY JUST 798

GO AS A FAMILY TO EAT YOU KNOW. 799

EM: UM HUH 800

JP: WELL SHES GONE OUT TO EAT… 801

EM: OK WHAT ABOUT OUTDOOR ACTIVITIES LIKE ON THE WEEKEND 802

JP: SHE… 803

EM: WHAT DO YOU GUYS I MEAN YOU GUYS UM FREQUENT DO YOU GUYS 804

FREQUENTLY LEAVE THE HOME ON THE WEEKENDS OR AND GO OUT AND 805

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DO OUTDOOR ACTIVITIED OVER NIGHT OR DURING THE DAY? 806

JP: I MEAN I I GO CAMPING WITH MY SONS LIKE I I MADE A GOAL (INAUDIBLE) 807

DO IT. 808

EM: OK 809

JP: AND I DECIDED TO DO IT. 810

EM: WERE COMIN LET’S SEE WELL IT’S ALMOST THE END OF 2009. HOW HOW 811

MANY TIMES DO YOU THINK YOU GUYS WENT CAMPING THIS YEAR? 812

JP: THREE OR FOUR. 813

EM: OK AND THAT’S… 814

JP: BUT IT’S JUST (INAUDIBLE) 815

EM: (INAUDIBLE) OR OVER THE OVER THE YEAR? 816

JP: YEAH JUST SPORADIC I MEAN I THINK LAST YEAR I DID IT TWO OR THREE 817

TIMES. 818

EM: OK SO YOU SAY THREE OR FOUR TIMES OVER THE COURSE OF A YEAR 819

WOULD BE COMMON? 820

JP: UM I TRY TO GO MORE FREQUENTLY BUT I… 821

EM: RIGHT A JUST TIME… 822

JP: MY KIDS BEG ME AND I… 823

EM: I WENT ONCE THIS LAST YEAR SO JUST TIME DOESN’T PERMIT REALLY A 824

WHOLE LOT. UM OK 825

JP: UM…I (INAUDIBLE) WE GO TO THE FAIR. 826

EM: HMM…K 827

JP: UM WE GO TO THE DIFFERENT KINDA OF THINGS THAT HAPPEN IN THE 828

YOU KNOW JUST KIND OF EVENTS. 829

EM: UM HUH IN THE VALLEY? 830

JP: YOU KNOW AROUND THE VALLEY. 831

EM: OK 832

JP: UM WE GO DOWN WE WENT DOWN TO THAT A WHEELER FARM. 833

EM: OK 834

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JP: WENT DOWN THERE A COUPLE TIMES I REALLY LIKE THAT PLACE YOU 835

KNOW 836

EM: YEAH ITS NICE K WELL WEVE TALKED QUIT A BIT ABOUT UM ABOUT 837

EVERYBODY YOU, HER, THE KIDS WHAT YOU GUYS LIKE TO DO UM AND I 838

APPRECIATE YOU TALKING WITH ME ABOUT THAT CAUSE IT KIND OF 839

GIVES ME A LITTLE BIT OF INSIGHT AS FAR AS YOU KNOW THE THINGS 840

THAT SHE LIKES TO DO PLACES SHE LIKES TO GO PEOPLE WHO SHE LIKES 841

TO GO VISIT. 842

JP: YEAH 843

EM: OK UM LET’S START WITH UM LETS START WITH SUN…A LETS START 844

WITH FRIDAY. OK YOU GUYS DID YOU GUYS BOTH GO TO WORK ON 845

FRIDAY? 846

JP: YEAH 847

EM: OK AND UM IM GUESSING THAT THE KIDS PROBABLY WENT TO DAYCARE? 848

JP: YEAH 849

EM: OK UM LET’S START WITH UM YOU TOOK HER TO WORK ON FRIDAY? 850

JP: YEAH WE GET UP IN THE MORNING… 851

EM: BUT HOW DOES THAT HOW DID THAT ROUTINE GO DUDE… 852

JP: UM BASICALLY WE GET UP IN THE MORNING. 853

EM: UM HUH 854

JP: WE FEED THE KIDS UM AT LEAST WE TRY. 855

EM: UM HUH 856

JP: UM…LOAD EM UP DROP EM OFF AT DAYCARE. 857

EM: OK 858

JP: AND THEN I DRIVE DRIVE OVER TO HER WORK AND DROP HER OFF AND 859

THEN I DRIVE TO MY WORK. 860

EM: OK 861

JP: AND THEN IM THERE THROUGHOUT THE DAY AND THEN SHE A LETS SEE 862

SOMETIMES I GO HOME AFTER WORK AND SOMETIMES I GO STRAIGHT TO HER 863

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WORK CAUSE I WORK IN THE SAME DIRECTION AS HER. 864

EM: OK 865

JP: IT’S PROBABLY ONLY A MILE OUT OF THE WAY. 866

EM: RIGHT 867

JP: AND SHES PRO…I MEAN IM PROBABLY MAYBE SEVEN MILES… 868

EM: OK 869

JP: AND SHES PROBABLY TEN WHATEVER IT IS SHES ALITTLE FURTHER. 870

EM: OK 871

JP: BUT STILL THE SAME DIRECTION. 872

EM: SO AS FAR AS FRIDAY YOU GUYS GO READY DROPPED THE KIDS OFF AT 873

DAYCARE YOU TOOK HER TO WORK DROPPED HER OFF YOU WENT TO 874

WORK AND THEN DID YOU GO PICK HER UP AND THEN GO HOME OR DID 875

YOU GO HOME GO TO THE DAYCARE? 876

JP: I THINK I PICKED HER UP. 877

EM: OK SO YOU PICKED HER UP AND THEN WENT… 878

JP: I THINK I MIGHT HAVE PICKED UP THE KIDS FIRST…THEN PICKED HER UP 879

EM: (INAUDIBLE) IMPORTANT UM BUT THAT’S COMMON ROUTINE RIGHT? 880

JP: UM HUH 881

EM: IS IS WHAT WE JUST TALKED ABOUT AND YOU DO THAT MONDAY 882

THROUGH FRIDAY? 883

JP: YEAH 884

EM: OK UM WHAT ABOUT A LETS LETS START LETS START WITH SATURDAY. 885

JP: K 886

EM: K SO UM START SATURDAY WITH ME AND START FROM THE TIME THAT 887

YOU GUYS WOKE UP TILL LUNCH TIME AND EXPLAIN TO ME WHAT YOU 888

GUYS DID UM SATURDAY MORNING UP UNTIL LUNCH TIME. 889

JP: WENT TO A PARTY OH WE WENT AND DID ACTIVITIES WITH THE BOYS. 890

EM: OK 891

JP: UM WE WENT TO HOME DEPOT AND THEN WE WENT TO LOWES AND WE 892

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BUILT A I CAN’T REMEMBER WHAT WE BUILT THIS TIME… 893

EM: OK 894

JP: A WAGON IT’S A WAGON UM WERE DOING A GINGER BREAD HOUSE FROM 895

LOWES I JUST PICKED IT UP AND THEN WE WENT TO A CHURCH PARTY 896

BASICALLY UM BREAKFAST YOU KNOW. 897

EM: UM HUH 898

JP: A WE ATE PANCAKES AND EGGS OH YEAH EGGS AND HASHBROWNS THEY 899

DID SOME ACTIVITIES THE KIDS STARTED MAKIN A CHAIN ANOTHER 900

CHAIN PAPER CHAIN UM UM THAT WAS ABOUT IT AND THEN WE WENT 901

HOME. 902

EM: AND THIS IS BETWEEN MORNING TO NOON? OR LUNCH TIME. 903

JP: I THINK IT WAS ABOUT TWELVE OR TWELVE THIRTY. 904

EM: OK 905

JP: UM SHE HAD TO WORK IN THE AFTERNOON SO… 906

EM: ON SATURDAY? 907

JP: YEAH AND SO SHE SHE ACTUALLY SHE STARTED TO DRIVE TO WORK 908

CAUSE SHE HAD THE BOYS WAGON AND SO THEY WERE SCREAMIN 909

ABOUT IT AND SO SHE WAS ONLY A FEW BLOCKS AWAY AND SHE 910

BROUGHT THEM BACK. 911

EM: OK AND THAT’S AFTERNOON OR IS THAT IN THE MORNING? 912

JP: NO THAT WAS NOONISH. 913

EM: OK SO LET’S SO WAS THERE ANYTHING ELSE… 914

JP: OH AND THEN THE THEN THE TRAFFIC MIGHT HAVE BEEN SLOW BECAUSE 915

OF THE SNOW. 916

EM: OK WAS THERE ANYTHING ELSE BETWEEN FROM THE TIME YOU WOKE UP 917

UNTIL NOON THAT TOOK PLACE I MEAN ANY ARGUMENTS ANY 918

DISAGREEMENTS? 919

JP: NO 920

EM: UM ANYTHING LIKE THAT? 921

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JP: UH HUH 922

EM: ALRIGHT SO FROM LETS GO FROM NOON UNTIL BEDTIME ON SATURDAY 923

AND WALK ME THROUGH STEP BY STEP ON FROM NOON UNTIL BEDTIME 924

AND INCLUDE YOU KNOW IF THERES ANY ARGUMENTS 925

DISAGREEMENTS… 926

JP: A JOVANNA WAS OVER SATURDAY CAUSE WE TOOK HER KID AND SHE UM 927

SHE HAS A TEN YEAR OLD AND THEN SHE STAYED OVER TO YOU KNOW 928

HANG OUT AND YOU KNOW SHE WANTS HER KIDS TO SEE HOW TO BUILD 929

A DECK AND ALL THESE LITTLE THINGS YOU KNOW. 930

EM: UM HUH 931

JP: UM…I MEAN THAT WAS BASICALLY IT I MEAN WE JUST HUNG OUT UNTIL 932

SUSAN GOT HOME. 933

EM: WHAT TIME DID SHE LEAVE? 934

JP: UM FOR SOME REASON I WAS THINKIN THAT THAT SHE STAYED LONGER. 935

EM: APPROXIMATELY WHAT TIME DID SHE LEAVE FOR WORK? 936

JP: OH SUSAN? 937

EM: YEAH 938

JP: SHE A UM NOON. 939

EM: OK WHAT TIME DID SHE GET HOME…? 940

JP: I THINK IT MIGHT HAVE BEEN… 941

EM: APPROXIMATELY? 942

JP: YEAH I THINK IT WAS I THINK SHE WAS YOU KNOW MAYBE ELEVEN 943

THIRTY. 944

EM: AT NIGHT? 945

JP: NO (MUMBLING) MORNING. 946

EM: OK WHAT TIME DID SHE GET HOME FROM WORK? 947

JP: SIX 948

EM: OK 949

JP: I GUESS YEAH SIXISH… 950

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EM: WHAT TIME DID JOVANNA GET THERE ON SATURDAY? 951

JP: TWELVE... 952

EM: AND SHE LEFT AT WHAT TIME? 953

JP: OR ONE…UM… 954

EM: DID SHE STAY THERE FOR A LONG PERIOD OF TIME OR DID SHE JUST PICK 955

UP HER KID AND LEAVE? 956

JP: UM I I ACTUALLY BROUGHT HER KID TO THAT PLACE AND TO THE PARTY 957

AND THEN I PICKED AND I CARRIED HIM AND I DROVE HIM TO MY HOUSE. 958

EM: ALRIGHT SO JOVANNA DIDN’T COME… 959

JP: AND THEN SHE CAME AND MET US AN HOUR OR SOMETHING LATER 960

MAYBE. 961

EM: AT YOUR HOUSE? 962

JP: AND MAYBE ONE I IT’S HARD TO SAY SOMETHING LIKE THAT. 963

EM: ALRIGHT SO JOVANNA CAME TO YOUR HOUSE ON SATURDAY? 964

JP: YEAH 965

EM: OK AND SHE CAME OVER WHILE SUSAN WAS AT WORK? 966

JP: YEAH 967

EM: OK 968

JP: UM WELL… 969

EM: AND DID SHE STAY THER FOR A SIGNIFICANT AMOUNT OF TIME? 970

JP: YEAH 971

EM: OK 972

JP: FIVE FIVE OR SIX HOURS I THINK. 973

EM: OK SHE STAYED THERE FOR FIVE OR SIX HOURS? OK AND WHAT DID YOU 974

GUYS DO IN THAT TIME FRAME YOU SAID YOU GUYS JUST WAITED 975

AROUND FOR SUSAN TO GET HOME? 976

JP: NO I JUST… 977

EM: OH 978

JP: WORKING ON STUFF… 979

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EM: OK WHAT KIND OF STUFF WERE YOU WORKING ON? 980

JP: UM...WELL BUILDING A PICTURE FRAME JUST TRYING TO CLEAN UP 981

GENERALLY. 982

EM: OK UM SORRY IT JUST SOUNDS ODD.WHY DID SHE COME OVER AND HELP 983

YOU CLEAN YOUR HOUSE? 984

JP: NO JUST TO DO WORK WOOD WORKING. 985

EM: OK 986

JP: UM…BUT THE PROBLEM IS THERES NO ROOM TO GET ALL THE TOOLS OUT 987

SOMETIMES SO JUST HAVE TO MAKE ROOM SOMETIMES. 988

EM: SO SUSAN GETS HOME AROUND SIX YOU SAY? 989

JP: YEAH 990

EM: SATURDAY NIGHT OK LETS TALK ABOUT FROM THE TIME THAT SHE GOT 991

HOME TO THE TIME YOU GUYS WENT TO BED. TELL ME EVERYTHING YOU 992

GUYS DID THAT NIGHT. WHAT YOU GUYS TALKED ABOUT? WHAT YOU 993

ARGUED? YOUR SITTIN HERE THINKIN AND I KNOW YOUR THINKING… 994

JP: WE DIDN’T WE DIDN’T A WE DIDN’T WE WERENT ARGUING. 995

EM: I I DIDN’T… 996

JP: WE HAD A BABYSITTER I THINK HER SON WAS BABYSITTING AND I 997

CANT REMEMBER WHAT I CANT EVEN REMEMBER WHAT WE WERE DOING 998

WITH THE BABYSITTER THERE. 999

EM: OK SO YOU DON’T REMEMBER WHAT YOU GUYS DID FROM SIX O’CLOCK 1000

TILL YOU GUYS WENT TO BED ON SATURDAY NIGHT. 1001

JP: I JUST DON’T REMEMBER WHAT ACTIVITY WE WERE DOING. 1002

EM: OK IS THERE ANYTHING THAT YOU REMEMBER FROM THAT NIGHT? 1003

JP: UM WELL WE GOT HOME AND ALEX HAD THE KIDS UP WELL SORT OF AND 1004

THEY WERE SUPPOSE TO BE IN BED BUT THEY WERENT. 1005

EM: OK 1006

JP: UM SHE WANTED THEM IN BED SO WE HAD TO GET THAT DONE UM I 1007

THINK WE WATCHED A MOVIE. 1008

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EM: OK 1009

JP: PROBABLY SANTA CLAUS TWO. 1010

EM: ALRIGHT IS THERE ANYTHING ELSE FROM THAT NIGHT THAT YOU 1011

REMEMBER? 1012

JP: UH HUH 1013

EM: OK LETS MOVE ON TO SUNDAY FROM THE TIME THAT YOU WOKE UP 1014

FROM THE TIME YOU GUYS WOKE UP UNTIL SHE CAME HOME FROM 1015

CHURCH LETS TALK ABOUT EVERYTHING THAT TOOK PLACE WHAT WAS 1016

SAID WHAT WAS DONE UM BETWEEN THE TIME YOU WOKE UP TILL THE 1017

TIME SHE GOT HOME FROM CHURCH ON SUNDAY. 1018

JP: UM NOT A WHOLE LOT WAS SAID OR DONE IN THE MORNING I MEAN A LOT 1019

OF TIMES WE SLEEP IN IN THE MORNING. 1020

EM: UM HUH 1021

JP: UM YEAH I THINK SHE JUST GOT THE KIDS READY AND LEFT. 1022

EM: WHAT TIME? 1023

JP: PROBABLY 9:50 I GUESS. 1024

EM: OK 1025

JP: IT SEEMS LIKE IT WAS A TEN O’CLOCK CHURCH. 1026

EM: OK NO PROBLEMS THAT MORNING NO DISAGREEMENTS NO… 1027

JP: UH HUH 1028

EM: TALK ABOUT HER LEAVING GOING AND DOING SOMETHING? 1029

JP: NO 1030

EM: ANYTHING DURING THE DAY OR THAT NIGHT? WHAT DID YOU GUYS TALK 1031

ABOUT THAT MORNING? 1032

JP: NO SHE SHE WASN’T 1033

EM: DID YOU GUYS SPEAK TO EACH OTHER? 1034

JP: I DON’T EVEN THINK SHE DID THE CHOIR. 1035

EM: OK DID YOU GUYS SPEAK TO EACH OTHER THAT MORNING BEFORE SHE 1036

LEFT TO GO TO CHURCH, 1037

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JP: I MEAN NOTHING SIGNIFICANT I MEAN WE PROBABLY JUST I MEAN WE 1038

DIDN’T TALK WE JUST WERE GOING ABOUT OUR DAY YOU KNOW. 1039

EM: OK SO NOTHING WAS SAID TO YOU OUT OF THE ORDINARY FROM HER OR 1040

NOTHING OF INTEREST? 1041

JP: (MUMBLING) 1042

EM: OK 1043

JP: LET ME SEE SHE MIGHT HAVE ASKED IF I WAS GOING TO CHURCH AND I 1044

DON’T KNOW I DIDN’T EVEN FEEL LIKE WALKING. 1045

EM: OK UM… 1046

JP: BECAUSE YOU CAN’T PARK THERE DURING THE STAKE CONFERENCE. 1047

EM: OK SOL SHE GETS HOME ABOUT WHAT TIME DOES SHE GET HOME FROM 1048

CHURCH WITH THE BOYS? 1049

JP: FIVE OR TEN AFTER TWELVE. 1050

EM: OK SO A LITTLE AFTER TWELVE O’CLOCK TWELVE P.M. OK AND A FROM 1051

THAT TIME UM TELL ME WHAT A WHAT TRANSPIRES TELL ME 1052

EVERYTHING THAT HAPPENS WHEN SHE GETS HOME TELL ME WHAT YOU 1053

GUYS TALK ABOUT IF SHE CALLS ANYBODY IF SHE DOES ANYTHING IF SHE 1054

LEAVES THE HOUSE. TELL ME TELL ME EVERYTHING THAT TAKES PLACE. 1055

JP: UM I WENT TO THE STORE. 1056

EM: UM HUH 1057

JP: AND PICKED UP. 1058

EM: AFTER SHE GOT HOME? 1059

JP: SOME KIND OF FOOD I DON’T REMEMBER WHAT…UM I ACTUALLY DROVE 1060

HER HOME CAUSE I DROVE UP ABOUT THAT TIME AND SHE WAS WALKING 1061

WITH THE BOYS AND SHE WAS ONLY A COUPLE BLOCKS FROM HOME BUT 1062

I YOU KNOW GOT THEM IN THE CAR. 1063

EM: UM HUH 1064

JP: AND DROVE EM HOME. 1065

EM: OK 1066

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JP: AND UM AND I WENT TO THE STORE UM IT SEEMS LIKE IT MIGHT HAVE 1067

BEEN WINCO. 1068

EM: OK 1069

JP: I CAN’T EVEN REMEMBER WHAT I BOUGHT, 1070

EM: OK 1071

JP: BUT IT WAS SOMETHING TO EAT UM I BOUGHT YOGURT THERE WAS 1072

SOMETHING I WAS MISSING ANYWAY I MADE IT ALL OF IT. 1073

EM: OK 1074

JP: UM WHEN I GOT BACK I MADE SOME KIND OF AN OMELET. 1075

EM: WHAT WAS GOING ON IN THE HOUSE WHEN YOU GOT BACK? WHAT WAS 1076

SUSAN AND THE BOYS DOING? 1077

JP: JUST JUST NORMAL I MEAN THE KIDS WERE PLAYING AND SHE WAS JUST I 1078

THINK SHE WAS WATCHING TV. 1079

EM: OK 1080

JP: AND SO I MADE AN OMELET AND SOME PANCAKES AND I PUT CREAM 1081

CHEESE ON EM I THINK THAT WAS ALL OH AND THEN SHE CALLED 1082

JOVANNA UM ANYWAY JOVANNA CAME OVER. 1083

EM: UM HUH 1084

JP: SHE HAD SOME PANCAKES TO. UM I GUESS SUSAN WAS FEELING TIRED 1085

WHEN SHE GOT HOME FROM CHURCH SO BY THAT TIME SHE DECIDED TO 1086

TAKE A NAP MAYBE THREE THREE OR FOUR. 1087

EM: K 1088

JP: PROBABLY FOUR THEN JOVANNA HANG HUNG OUT FOR AWHILE UM I WAS 1089

JUST TRYIN TO GET THE SLEDS AND EVERYTHING READY AND TRYIN TO 1090

MAKE SURE I GOT ALL THERE CHANGE OF CLOTHES UM DIDN’T REALLY 1091

HAVE A PLAN IN MIND SO I WAS TRYING TO PREPARE FOR EVERYTHING 1092

YOU KNOW? UM I THINK SHE WOKE UP AROUND SIX THIRTY A AND THEN 1093

WE ATE DINNER AND THEN A MY SON WAS ASLEEP THE TWO YEAR OLD 1094

WAS HE DIDN’T EVEN EAT HE WAS JUST TOO TIRED… 1095

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EM: HMMM… 1096

JP: SO THEN HE SLEPT FOR AWHILE ON HER AND AND THEN THEN HE GOT 1097

MOVED IT SEEMS LIKE MAYBE TO THE COUCH AND THEN A THE BED. 1098

EM: WHERE WAS SHE NAPPING AT? 1099

JP: UM ON THE COUCH. OH UM NO SHE WAS SLEEPING IN OUR BED. 1100

EM: OK 1101

JP: UM 1102

EM: WHAT TIME DID JOVANNA LEAVE? 1103

JP: FIVE OR SIX I DON’T KNOW. 1104

EM: OK 1105

JP: AND SUSAN WAS ACTUALLY WAS EXCLAIMING…EXCLAIMING HOW YOU 1106

KNOW HOW MUCH SHE APPRECIATED THE BREAKFAST AND I MEAN THE 1107

LUNCH AND DINNER. 1108

EM: OK 1109

JP: AND THEN I THINK AFTER THAT I DID TAKE CHARLIE CAUSE I TRY NOT TO 1110

BREAK THE PROMISES TO HIM A AND WE WENT SLEDDING WE JUST WENT 1111

TO A LOCAL UM WHITTIER WE WERE BY WHITTIER. 1112

EM: UM HUH 1113

JP: AND THEN WE WENT HOME. 1114

EM: WHAT TIME WAS THAT AT? 1115

JP: I THINK WE WERE HOME BY 8:30 OR 9. 1116

EM: OK 1117

JP: SOMETHING LIKE THAT I YOU KNOW…IT IT WAS JUST TIME TO START 1118

STORIES AND TEETH BRUSHING YOU KNOW SO THEN UM I WAS TALKING 1119

TO MY SON ABOUT SMORES YOU KNOW HE WAS JUST SUPER EXCITED 1120

ABOUT COCOA AND SMORES THERES SNOW. YOU GOTTA EAT COCOA ITS 1121

CHRISTMAS AND THEN WE WATCHED A MOVIE WELL NO ACTUALLY THEN 1122

WE UM WELL SHE WANTED THE COUCH CLEAN SO I GOT THE RUG DOCTOR 1123

WE TRY TO DO SOMETHING EACH WEEK YOU KNOW UM ITS TOO HARD IF 1124

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ITS ALL WET AT ONCE YOU KNOW IT DRIES SLOW SO WE UM THEN WE 1125

WATCHED A MOVIE AND I THINK THAT WAS PROBABLY SANTA CLAUS 1126

THREE. 1127

EM: UM HUH 1128

JP: UM AND THEN WE A FINISHED UP THE MOVIE AND I TALKED TO HER 1129

ABOUT A TAKING THE BOYS TO DO SMORES AND TO TRY OUT THE NEW 1130

GENERATOR YOU KNOW? 1131

EM: UM HUH 1132

JP: AND SHE LOOKED MAD I FINISHED PACKING AND I LOADED EM UP AND 1133

THEN WE JUST YOU KNOW A JUST LIKE THE MORNING ROUTINE I JUST 1134

TRIED TO (INAUDIBLE) AND LEFT. 1135

EM: OK SO WHEN UM SO YOU CLEANED THE COUCH? AND SHE WANTED YOU 1136

TO WHAT WAS THE COUCH DIRTY? WAS THERE A STAIN ON THE COUCH 1137

OR SOMETHINE? 1138

JP: ITS JUST ALL GOOBERS AND SNOT FROM KIDS WHO WIPE THERE NOSE ON 1139

IT AND 1140

EM: OK 1141

JP: THEY JUST THEY JUST DO BRUTAL THINGS TO THE FURNITURE LIKE THE 1142

OTHER COUCH NEEDS IT TO. 1143

EM: OK AND WHEN YOU TALK TO UM SUSAN ABOUT TAKIN THE KIDS AND 1144

DOIN SMORES AND GENERATOR TELL ME MORE DETAILS ON THAT 1145

CONVERSATION. 1146

JP: UM SHE JUST YOU KNOW I TOLD HER THAT I WANTED TO AND SHE JUST 1147

SAID (INAUDIBLE) HEATER YOU CANT TAKE THE BOYS OUT IN THE COLD 1148

WITHOUT A HEATER. IM LIKE YEP I GOT MY GENERATOR. 1149

EM: UM HUH K AND THAT WAS IT? 1150

JP: THAT’S BASICALLY I MEAN IT WASN’T A LONG CONVERSATION. 1151

EM: OK SHE DIDN’T A INQUIRE AS TO WHEN YOU’D BE BACK WHEN YOU WERE 1152

GOING? WHERE YOU WERE GOING? 1153

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JP: I TOLD HER I TOLD HER ID BE BACK I SAID ILL COME BACK TOMORROW 1154

MORNING. 1155

EM: UM HUH OK 1156

JP: AND THEN WITH THE SNOW FALL IT I GOT UP A LITTLE LATER IN THE 1157

MORNING. 1158

EM: UM HUH 1159

JP: THEN I WAS PLANNING PLUS THE BOYS WERE LOVIN IT YOUR KNOW. UM 1160

WE KEPT SEEING DEER AND SHEEP. 1161

EM: UM HUH 1162

JP: ALL THESE ALL THESE THINGS THAT THEY JUST THEY JUST EAT IT UP YOU 1163

KNOW. 1164

EM: RIGHT DID YOU MAKE ARRANGEMENTS A DID YOU GUYS A TALK ABOUT 1165

ARRANGEMENTS FOR HER GETTING TO WORK. 1166

JP: I WAS THINKIN IT WAS GONNA BE SUNDAY AND I DIDN’T EVEN THINK 1167

ABOUT WORK. 1168

EM: AND HER? 1169

JP: I GUESS IT DIDN’T CROSS HER MIND AT THE TIME. 1170

EM: OK AND THEN WHAT TIME WHAT TIME DID YOU SAY THAT SHE WENT TO 1171

BED? 1172

JP: PROBABLY TWELVE THIRTYISH… 1173

EM: OK WAS THERE ANYTHING SAID BEFORE SHE WENT TO BED ANY DID YOU 1174

GUYS TALK ABOUT ANYTHING ELSE BEFORE SHE WENT TO SLEEP. 1175

JP: JUST THAT AND SAY GOODNIGHT THAT’S ABOUT IT. 1176

EM: OK WHAT UM SORRY (INAUDIBLE) PHONE. WHAT ABOUT A ALRIGHT WAS 1177

THERE ANY OTHER DISCUSSIONS ANY OTHER TALK THROUGHOUT THE 1178

DAY THAT… 1179

JP: I JUST I… 1180

EM: I SHOULD KNOW ABOUT. 1181

JP: I JUST CAN’T THINK OF ANY. 1182

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EM: BETWEEN THE TWO OF YOU? 1183

JP: NO NO WE DIDN’T FIGHT OR ANYTHING. 1184

EM: ANY OTHER DISCUSSIONS ANY OTHER (INAUDIBLE) NOT ANYTHING THAT 1185

WOULD BE IMPORTANT? 1186

JP: NOTHING SIGNIFICANT I MEAN I THINK SHE WAS CHATTING WITH 1187

JOVANNA I I DON’T I CAN’T EVEN REMEMBER WHAT CONVERSATIONS 1188

YOU KNOW. 1189

EM: UM HUH 1190

JP: I PROBABLY JUMPED IN A FEW TIMES BUT MOSTLY I WAS JUST MAKING 1191

LUNCH. 1192

EM: OK 1193

JP: SO I WAS ACTUALLY IN THE OTHER ROOM 1194

EM: OK UM YOU TALKED EARLIER ABOUT UM HOW KIND OF SPORADIC 1195

THROUGHOUT THE DAY AND OR THE AFTERNOON YOU WERE UM 1196

PACKING THE VEHICLE AND GETTING THINGS READY FOR FOR THIS TRIP 1197

UM TELL ME EVERYTHING THAT YOU PACKED AND PUT INSIDE THE 1198

VEHICLE. 1199

JP: UM A THREE PAIRS OF CLOTHES FOR EACH BOY AND AND FOR ME UM 1200

HEATERS I ACTUALLY GRABBED A HUMIDIFIER BECAUSE YOU KNOW ITS 1201

PRETTY NASTY THIS TIME OF YEAR UM GENERATOR SOME WOOD FIRE 1202

EXTINGUISHER, LIGHTERS A BUNCH OF CAMPING GEAR. 1203

EM: OK 1204

JP: MY SLEDS WERE ALREADY IN THERE SO I JUST KEPT AM IN THERE. 1205

EM: WHAT KIND OF CAMPING GEAR? 1206

JP: I COULDN’T EVEN TELL YOU AT THIS POINT IT’S A BOX. 1207

EM: OK 1208

JP: I MEAN I JUST GRAB IT AND ASSUME WHATEVER I NEED IS GONNA BE IN 1209

THERE WHEN IT’S READY TO BE USED. 1210

EM: OK 1211

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JP: AND MOSTLY THE THINGS I USE ARE ON TOP YOU KNOW LIKE THE SMORE 1212

STICKS AND… 1213

EM: UM HUH 1214

JP: ALTHOUGH I DON’T NECESSARILY USE THOSE EITHER BECAUSE IT’S JUST 1215

EASIER TO GRAB A STICK THEN BURN IT YOU KNOW. 1216

EM: YEAH OK AND WHAT ELSE DID YOU PUT IN THERE? 1217

JP: UM SOME CORDS, FLASHLIGHT I DON’T KNOW JUST A BUNCH OF STUFF 1218

EM: OK UM CORDS? WHAT DO YOU MEAN BY CORDS? 1219

JP: A JUST CORDS SO I CAN PLUG IN THE... 1220

EM: ELECTRICAL CORDS? 1221

JP: YEAH 1222

EM: OK AND WHATS THE BUNCH OF THIS OTHER STUFF? 1223

JP: I DON’T KNOW I MEAN…. 1224

EM: A COME ON JOSH YOU REMEMBER PUTTIN CREAM CHEESE IN A PANCAKE 1225

AND YOU TELL ME YOU CANT REMEMBER WHAT YOU PUT IN YOUR CAR. 1226

JP: THERES….I MEAN THAT’S BASICALLY ALL SIGNIFICANT STUFF. OH GAS…. 1227

EM: UM HUH OK SO… 1228

JP: I ALSO (INAUDIBLE) SOME TARPS. 1229

EM: K OK ANYTHING ELSE YOU REMEMBER? 1230

JP: NOTHING SIGNIFICANT. 1231

EM: ALRIGHT 1232

JP: THAT I CAN THINK OF. 1233

EM: OK WHAT TIME DID YOU A… 1234

JP: OH FOOD I MEAN WE HAD FOOD. 1235

EM: OK WHAT KIND OF FOOD DID YOU PACK? 1236

JP: UM YOGURT, CHEESE… 1237

EM: UM HUH 1238

JP: HOT DOGS UM MARSHMELLOWS, GRAHAM CRACKERS. 1239

EM: UM HUH 1240

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JP: THAT’S PROBABLY ABOUT IT. 1241

EM: OK AND WHAT TIME DID YOU GUYS A WHAT TIME DID YOU SAY YOU LEFT 1242

YOUR HOUSE? 1243

JP: (INAUDIBLE) ONE THIRTY OR TWO 1244

EM: OK AND UM SO YOU LEAVE THE HOUSE AND A I JUST NEED TO KNOW THE 1245

EXACT ROUTE WHAT YOU TOOK WHERE YOU WENT IF YOU STOPPED AND 1246

GOT FUEL IF YOU STOPPED TO GET FOOD IF YOU STOPPED ANYWHERE I 1247

NEED TO KNOW WHERE YOU STOPPED SO WALK ME THROUGH YOUR 1248

ROUTE WHERE YOU STOPPED? 1249

JP: I DON’T THINK I STOPPED ANYWHERE. 1250

EM: WHERE YOU WENT. 1251

JP: I JUST WENT THROUGH TOOELE AND I JUST HEADED SOUTH. 1252

EM: OK SO LETS I NEED TO KNOW YOUR ROUTE I MEAN I NEED TO KNOW LIKE 1253

WHAT YOU SAY YOU WENT THROUGH TOOELE YOU CAN GET TO TOOELE 1254

TWO DIFFERENT WAYS UM HOW DID YOU… 1255

JP: HMM…80 1256

EM: GET TO TOOE…OK SO YOU A SO YOU LEFT YOUR HOUSE AND YOU USED 1257

INTERESTATE 80? 1258

JP: YEAH 1259

EM: TO TOOELE? 1260

JP: UM HUH 1261

EM: OK ALRIGHT 1262

JP: AND I MEAN I JUST HEADED SOUTH. 1263

EM: UM HUH 1264

JP: AND FOUND MY WAY ON TO THE PONY EXPRESS ROUTE AND THAT WAS IT 1265

AND THEN I JUST PULLED OFF INTO SOME SOME TRAIL. 1266

EM: UM HUH SO YOU JUST TOOK I80 WENT THROUGH TOOELE AND AND YOU 1267

WENT TO THE PONY EXPRESS TRAIL SORRY MY PHONE KEEPS GOTTA 1268

KINDA SCREEN THESE CALLS UM AND YOU DIDN’T STOP ANYWHERE? 1269

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JP: NO I DON’T THINK SO… 1270

EM: OK SO SO YOUR SAYING YOU ALREADY HAD A FULL TANK OF GAS YOU 1271

DIDN’T HAVE TO FILL UP? 1272

JP: HMMM…YEAH 1273

EM: YEAH WHAT? 1274

JP: YEAH I HAD A TANK OF GAS. 1275

EM: OK SO YOU DIDN’T HAVE TO... 1276

JP: I THINK I MIGHT HAVE GOTTEN IT THE DAY BEFORE OR THE DAY OF OR 1277

SOMETHING I DON’T REMEMBER. 1278

EM: OK ALRIGHT SO YOU DROVE A UP THE PONY EXPRESS TRAIL YOU DIDN’T 1279

NO STOP FOR FOOD GAS NOTHING RIGHT? OK AND YOU GET TO THE PONY 1280

EXPRESS TRAIL YOU OBVIOUSLY GO EAST OR SORRY WEST RIGHT? 1281

JP: YEAH 1282

EM: AND HOW FAR WEST DO YOU GO? 1283

JP: A I OBVIOUSLY WASN’T PAYING ATTENTION… 1284

EM: DO YOU THINK… 1285

JP: BUT I JUST I JUST DRIVE AND IF ANYTHING LOOKS GOOD. 1286

EM: (INAUDIBLE) HONESLTY TO BE HONEST WITH YA IVE NEVER BEEN OUT 1287

THERE I NEED TO MAKE A TRIP (INAUDIBLE) 1288

JP: I HAVENT BEEN OUT THERE TOO OFTEN IT’S A NASTY ROAD. 1289

EM: I DON’T KNOW I DON’T KNOW THERES LIKE ANY LANDMARKS IF THERES 1290

CAMPING 1291

JP: THERES NOT 1292

EM: GROUNDS ALL ALONG THE ROAD UM IF THERES…. 1293

JP: I DON’T THINK SO 1294

EM: ARE THERE ROADS THAT COME OFF OF THE PONY EXPRESS TRAIL AND GO 1295

SOUTH AND NORTH? 1296

JP: NO 1297

EM: NO? 1298

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JP: THERES JUST TRAILS THAT YOU CAN I DON’T KNOW IVE ONLY BEEN OUT 1299

THERE THREE OR FOUR TIMES SO... 1300

EM: OK WELL YOU’VE BEEN OUT THERE MOST RECENT BEFORE I I MEAN…. 1301

JP: YEAH 1302

EM: PRETTY RECENT RIGHT? 1303

JP: YEAH 1304

EM: OK SO YOUR… 1305

JP: BUT IT WAS ALSO SNOWING AND SO IT I WAS PRETTY FOCUSED ON THE 1306

ROAD. 1307

EM: OK 1308

JP: LOOKING FOR A TURN OFF LIKE I SAY I JUST FOUND A TRAIL AND… 1309

EM: WERE YOU CONCERNED WITH THE SNOW KNOWING THAT THERE WAS A 1310

SNOW STORM COMIN IN? 1311

JP: UM YEAH I WAS 1312

EM: IN A MINI VAN? 1313

JP: ACTUALLY THE MINI VAN HANDLES LIKE A FOUR BY FOUR. 1314

EM: OK 1315

JP: UM YEAH YOU CAN GET ON SOME SERIOUS OFF ROADING WITH THAT MINI 1316

VAN. 1317

EM: OK SO I MEAN WASN’T WASN’T THAT A CONCERN WITH THE THE STORM 1318

COMING IN AND IT WAS ALREADY SNOWING? 1319

JP: IT WASN’T ALREADY SNOWING WHEN I LEFT. 1320

EM: NO IT WAS SNOWING WHEN YOU GOT OUT THERE. 1321

JP: IT WAS YEAH…AND SO I WAS WATCHIN THE ROAD AND IM GOIND HOW 1322

THICK IS THIS GONNA GET. 1323

EM: UM HUH 1324

JP: AND YOU KNOW ARE WE GONNA GET STUCK … 1325

EM: EXCUSE ME 1326

JP: AND THEN I THOUGHT WELL YOU KNOW WHAT ARE THE ODDS THAT IT 1327

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WILL BE ANYTHING THAT WILL GET US STUCK OUT THERE. 1328

EM: UM HUH 1329

JP: YOU KNOW AND WE HAVE THE GENERATOR AND THE HEATERS AND SO I 1330

WAS LIKE WELL THIS WE CAN RISK IT. 1331

EM: YEAH 1332

JP: WERE ALREADY HERE WHAT THE HECK. 1333

EM: OK SO ABOUT HOW FAR DO YOU THINK YOU WENT WEST ON THE TRAIL IF 1334

YOU HAD A GUESS? 1335

JP: I DON’T KNOW I MEAN MAYBE TWENTY MILES OR WHO KNOWS. 1336

EM: OK SO MAYBE TWENTY MILES? OK AND THEN JUST WALK ME THROUGH IT 1337

FROM THAT POINT ALL THE WAY UP UNTIL YOU LEFT THAT AREA. 1338

JP: UM WELL I JUST STOPPED SET UP THE GENERATOR JUST ON A TARP AND 1339

UM PLUGGED IN THE HEATERS GOT SOME SLEEP. 1340

EM: JUST RIGHT THERE ON THE TRAIL? 1341

JP: UM HUH 1342

EM: OK WHAT YOU KEEP MENTIONING THESE HEATERS WHAT WHAT KIND OF 1343

HEATERS? 1344

JP: JUST A HEATER JUST A SPACE HEATER 1345

EM: A SPACE HEATER THAT YOU PLUG IN? 1346

JP: YEAH 1347

EM: AND YOU JUST PLUG IT IN TO THE GENERATOR? 1348

JP: YEAH 1349

EM: AND LEFT IT IN YOUR CAR? 1350

JP: WELL THE GENERATOR OUT BUT THE CAR YEAH YEAH THE THE HEATERS 1351

INSIDE. 1352

EM: HMMM…. 1353

JP: YOU CANT RUN A CAR WITH THE ENGINE YOU CANT SLEEP IN A CAR WITH 1354

THE ENGINE RUNNING 1355

EM: YEAH 1356

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JP: ALTHOUGH IVE DONE IT A FEW TIMES 1357

EM: K 1358

JP: BUT USUALLY IF YOU FALL ASLEEP WITH IT RUNNING YOUR TAKING A 1359

GAMBLE 1360

EM: OK 1361

JP: YOU KNOW WITH THE GENERATOR ITS SITTIN OFF TO THE SIDE AND SO ITS 1362

NOT REALLY THAT CLOSE, 1363

EM: OK SO YOU SET UP THE GENERATOR AND YOU SET UP THE HEATERS AND 1364

YOU SLEEP RIGHT? 1365

JP: UM AND THE ACTUALLY I DID ALSO THE HUMIDIFIER. 1366

EM: OK AND THEN…. 1367

JP: THEN WE WOKE UP A… 1368

EM: (COUGH) SORRY 1369

JP: DAWNISH AFTER THE LIGHT 1370

EM: UM HUH 1371

JP: UM THEN WE DID THE LITTLE CAMP FIRE HUNG OUT DROVE ALL THE OVER 1372

CREATION… 1373

EM: HMMM…K YOU JUST DO THE CAMP CR…A THE CAMP FIRE JUST A RIGHT 1374

THERE ON THE SIDE OF THE ROAD. 1375

JP: YEAH 1376

EM: OK 1377

JP: UM JUST A… 1378

EM: WHAT DID YOU USE FOR THE CAMP FIRE? 1379

JP: JUST WOOD…JUST SOME CRAPPY WOOD THAT I HAD. 1380

EM: OK SO YOU HAVE THE CAMP FIRE WHAT WHAT DO YOU DO AT THE CAMP 1381

FIRE? 1382

JP: JUST HUNG OUT FOR A FEW MINUTES HAD MARSHMELLOW OR TWO 1383

THAT’S ABOUT IT. 1384

EM: OK AND THEN WHAT? 1385

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JP: WELL THEN THEN THE BOYS JUST WANTED TO DRIVE ALL OVER THE 1386

PLACE AND THEN OCCASSIONALLY GET OUT AND GO SEE STUFF A WHEN 1387

DID DRIVE OUT TO THAT UM WELL THAT CAMP GROUND OUT THERE UM 1388

WE LOOKED AT A A STONE BUILDING. 1389

EM: K THAT’S NEAR A CAMP SITE? 1390

JP: YEP 1391

EM: NEAR A CAMP GROUND? 1392

JP: THAT’S ABOUT AS FAR AS WE WENT. 1393

EM: OK 1394

JP: AND THEN 1395

EM: YOU SAY THAT’S ABOUT A AS FAR AS YOUR WENT DID YOU GO A LITTLE 1396

BIT BEYOND THE STONE BUILDING THE CAMP GROUND AREA… 1397

JP: NO 1398

EM: OR IS THAT AS FAR AS YOU WENT? THAT’S THE FURTHEST YOU WENT? 1399

JP: NO THAT’S YEAH I PULLED OFF INTO SOME LITTLE THEY HAVE A LITTLE 1400

REST LIKE A OUTHOUSE. 1401

EM: UM HUH 1402

JP: SO I JUST STOPPED BY THERE AND UM ANYWAY THEN IT WAS GETTING 1403

KINDA KINDA LATE SO I TOLD THE BOYS ITS TIME TO GO. 1404

EM: UM HUH 1405

JP: AND THEY DIDN’T WANT TO GO BUT WHAT THE HECK YOU KNOW ALL 1406

DAY THEY KEPT SAYING NO I DON’T WANT TO GO HOME LETS GO 1407

CAMPING SOME MORE. 1408

EM: YEAH 1409

JP: UM WE SAW ALL KINDS OF DEER. 1410

EM: UM HUH 1411

JP: TONS OF DEER APPARENTLY THEY COME OUT IN THE WINTER I GUESS I 1412

DON’T KNOW. A HAD A BUNCH OF SHEEP THAT WE SAW. 1413

EM: UM HUH 1414

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JP: APPARENTLY THEY WERE HERDING THE DOG WAS HERDING THEM SOME 1415

KIND OF A BIG DOG.HAD TO WAIT FOR THOSE TO GET OFF THE ROAD 1416

WHICH WAS PRETTY COOL 1417

EM: OK THAT’S UM SO YOU JUST BASICALLY YOU STAYED ON THE PONY 1418

EXPRESS TRAIL? THERES NO TRAIL THAT COMES OFF OF IT RIGHT OFF OF 1419

THE ROAD? 1420

JP: WELL JUST THE TRAILS YEAH I MEAN… 1421

EM: I MEAN DID YOU JUST DRIVE ON THE ROAD STRAIGHT OUT TO THIS CAMP 1422

GROUND? 1423

JP: WE DROVE…NO WE DROVE INTO THE TRAILS. 1424

EM: OK SO YOU DROVE ON SOME OF THE TRAILS THEN? 1425

JP: YEAH 1426

EM: OK HOW COULD YOU SEE THE TRAILS WITH THE SNOW OUT THERE? 1427

JP: YOU CAN TELL. 1428

EM: CAN YA? OK 1429

JP: SOME ARE WIDE SOME ARE NARROW I DON’T KNOW THERE YOU KNOW 1430

THE NARROW ONES YOU CAN’T YOU DRIVE EM ON A FOUR WHEELER. 1431

EM: UM HUH 1432

JP: SOME OF THEM YOU CAN DRIVE WITH A CAR AND OTHER VEHICLES. 1433

EM: OK WHAT TIME WAS IT THAT YOU SAY YOU THOUGHT IT WAS STARTIN TO 1434

GET TOO LATE AND THAT YOU HAD TO START COMIN BACK? 1435

JP: PROBABLY ELEVEN OR TWELVE IM GUESSING OR SOMETHING LIKE THAT? 1436

EM: AND THAT’S WHEN YOU STARTED COMIN BACK TOWARDS SALT LAKE? 1437

JP: UM YEAH BUT WE DROVE TO LEHI. 1438

EM: RIGHT 1439

JP: TO GET HOME. 1440

EM: OK UM SO WHEN YOUR OUT THERE AND YOU YOU CRE…CREATE THIS 1441

FIRE HOW DO YOU START THIS FIRE YOU HAVE THE WOOD… 1442

JP: JUST LIGHT THE FIRE LITTLE KINDLING AND (INAUDIBLE) WITH A LIGHTER. 1443

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EM: UM HUH SO NO PAPER OR…GASOLINE 1444

JP: UM… 1445

EM: OR ANYTHING YOU JUST HAD SOME KINDLING AND STARTED THE FIRE. 1446

JP: WELL I HAD SOME PAPER. 1447

EM: OK DID YOU BURN QUIT A BIT OF WOOD THERE? WAS THERE QUIT A BIT OF 1448

WOOD THAT WAS BURNT THERE OR HOW LONG DID YOU SAY YOU GUYS 1449

SAT AROUND THE FIRE? 1450

JP: OH I DON’T KNOW PROBABLY A COUPLE HOURS. 1451

EM: COUPLE HOURS OK 1452

JP: JUST OFF AND ON I MEAN THEY WERE PLAYING AND STUFF YOU KNOW? 1453

EM: RIGHT OK UM K LETS TALK ABOUT A SO COMIN BACK YOU SAY ABOUT 1454

MAYBE ELEVEN OR TWELVE YOU THOUGHT IT WAS TIME TO LEAVE AND 1455

YOU STARTED COMIN BACK UM WALK ME THROUGH THAT PRO…FROM 1456

THAT TIME UP UNTIL JUST TELL ME A WHERE YOU DROVE TO WHERE YOU 1457

STOPPED…. 1458

JP: UM… 1459

EM: WHO YOU CALLED YOU SPOKE TO? 1460

JP: ON THE WAY BACK A A I DIDN’T CALL ANYONE UNTIL I GOT OUT FROM 1461

LEHI I ACTUALLY PASSED WELL TO THE FREEWAY I THINK UM I JUST 1462

HEAD NORTH YOU KNOW JUST HEAD EAST AND NORTH. 1463

EM: UM HUH 1464

JP: A AND THEN I SAW A LEHI SIGN SO I WAS LIKE AH…TAKE LEHI UM 1465

STOPPED TO WASH THE CAR CAUSE YOU KNOW THEY GET PRETTY DIRTY 1466

OUT THERE. 1467

EM: RIGHT WHERE DID YOU STOP AND WASH THE CAR AT? 1468

JP: WHEN IT’S WHEN IT’S SNOWING AND RAINING. 1469

EM: YEAH WHERE DID YOU STOP AND WASH THE CAR AT> 1470

JP: I JUST A JUST THE FIRST CAR WASH I SAW. 1471

EM: WHERES THAT AT? 1472

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JP: IN I GUESS IT’S IN LEHI. 1473

EM: WHAT ROAD WERE YOU ON? 1474

JP: COULDN’T TELL YA. THAT ONE THAT COMES THROUGH LEHI. 1475

EM: OK WHAT A WHAT WAS THE CAR WASH LIKE WHAT KIND OF A CAR WASH 1476

WAS IT? 1477

JP: UM WELL IT WAS A S…A SELF SERVE 1478

EM: SELF SERVE? 1479

JP: UM HUH 1480

EM: OK WHAT WAS THE NAME OF IT? 1481

JP: I HAVE NO CLUE. 1482

EM: HOW DID YOU PAY WAS IT (INAUDIBLE) 1483

JP: CASH 1484

EM: K SO WHEN YOU SAY SELF SERVE IS THAT UM DESCRIBE WHAT IT LOOKS 1485

LIKE… 1486

JP: JUST GARAGES THAT YOU CAN PULL INTO AND WASH. 1487

EM: OK 1488

JP: YOU JUST GET THE PRESSURE WASHER AND PSH…. 1489

EM: NO ATTENDANT THAT’S THERE NO GAS STATION? OK 1490

JP: NOPE THERE… 1491

EM: HOW MANY BAYS ARE THERE? 1492

JP: I DON’T EVEN KNOW 1493

EM: OK 1494

JP: THERES THERES A HANDFUL 1495

EM: WHAT SIDE OF THE ROAD IS IT ON? 1496

JP: UP NORTH. 1497

EM: K SO IF I REMEMBER CORRECTLY YOU HAD TO USE REDWOOD ROAD TO 1498

GET TO THAT ROAD THAT TAKES YOU THROUGH LEHI RIGHT? 1499

JP: NO RED…NOT REDWOOD I THINK RUNS NORTH SOUTH. 1500

EM: NO…RIGHT SO THE ROAD THAT YOUR ON THAT YOU WAS COMIN OUT OF 1501

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UM… 1502

JP: THAT WAS EAST WEST… 1503

EM: YEAH THAT ROAD RUNS STRAIGHT INTO THE MAIN ROAD THAT RUNS 1504

INTO LEHI 1505

JP: YEAH 1506

EM: OK SO YOU COME THROUGH THE INTERSECTION THERE AT REDWOOD 1507

ROAD AND AND A THIS ROAD THAT YOUR ON A DO YOU KNOW WHAT IM 1508

TALKING ABOUT THAT AREA? 1509

JP: IM SORRY WHAT DID YOU SAY? OH YOUR TALKIN ABOUT ON THE… 1510

EM: THE CROSSING ROADS OF REDWOOD ROAD AND THE ROAD THAT YOUR 1511

ON THAT TAKES YOU INTO LEHI. 1512

JP: I DIDN’T EVEN PAY ATTENTION TO THAT. 1513

EM: OK IM JUST WHAT IM TRYING TO DO IS IM TRYIN TO GET AN IDEA OF 1514

WHERE THIS CAR WASH IS AT. 1515

JP: I MEAN IT WAS JUST THE FIRST ONE I SAW 1516

EM: OK WELL IM SURE IF I SHOWED YOU A MAP YOU WOULD BE ABLE TO 1517

POINT OUT THE ROUTE YOU TOOK RIGHT? 1518

JP: I ASSUME SO… 1519

EM: MAYBE? ALRIGHT LETS MOVE ON SO YOU STOP WASH THE CAR UM AND 1520

THEN WHAT? 1521

JP: I DON’T KNOW HOW MANY ROADS THERE ARE GOING TO LEHI I DON’T 1522

THINK THERES THAT’S MANY. 1523

EM: NO WHAT ARE SOME OTHER BUILDINGS THAT ARE AROUND THIS CAR 1524

WASH DESCRIBE THE AREA TO ME AROUND THERE WHAT DOES IT LOOK 1525

LIKE? 1526

JP: I DON’T KNOW I JUST YOU KNOW AT THAT POINT WE WERE THINKING 1527

ABOUT LUNCH. AND I WASN’T REALLY THINKING ABOUT TO MUCH ELSE. 1528

EM: OK IT’S SNOWING AT THE TIME RIGHT? 1529

JP: A…NO 1530

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EM: ITS KINDA FLURRIES? 1531

JP: A MAYBE YOU KNOW I DON’T THINK IT WAS SNOWING DURING THE DAY. 1532

EM: OK SO AFTER YOUR FINISHED AT THE CAR WASH THEN WHAT? 1533

JP: OH ACTUALLY THERE WERE FLURRIES NO YOUR RIGHT THERE WERE 1534

FLURRIES UM GOT LUNCH? 1535

EM: WHERE AT? 1536

JP: MCDONALDS. 1537

EM: WHICH ONE? 1538

JP: UM THAT ONE WAS RIGHT NEXT TO THE FREEWAY 1539

EM: WHERE WHERE AT? WHAT FREEWAY (INAUDIBLE) 1540

JP: UM WHAT IS ITS FIFTEEN GOING SOUTH OR NORTH? 1541

EM: UM HUH 1542

JP: JUST WEST AND SOUTH… 1543

EM: WHERE LIKE IN SALT LAKE OR? 1544

JP: WELL LEHI 1545

EM: IN LEHI OK SO MCDONALD’S I-15 NEXT TO THE FREEWAY THERE IN LEHI? 1546

JP: UM HUH 1547

EM: OK HOW DID YOU PAY? 1548

JP: UM I THINK PROBABLY CASH. 1549

EM: DO YOU TYPICALLY ALWAYS PAY CASH FOR EVERYTHING? 1550

JP: I MEAN THINGS LIKE THAT I DO. 1551

EM: OK 1552

JP: CAUSE I MEAN IT DEPENDS I MEAN SOMETIMES I BUY FOOD WITH A 1553

CREDIT CARD 1554

EM: UM HUH 1555

JP: AND IT DEPRESSES ME TO SEE THE CREDIT CARD BILL SO… 1556

EM: YEAH ABSOLUTELY 1557

JP: SOMETIMES I PAY CASH SO I (INAUDIBLE) 1558

EM: WHAT ABOUT YOUR DEBIT CARD DO YOU USE DEBIT CARD? 1559

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JP: UM NO 1560

EM: OK 1561

JP: WELL I MEAN I HAVE MY OWN I I I OCCASSIONALLY DO I USUALLY ONLY 1562

MAKE THE YOU KNOW YOU KNOW BIGGER PURCHASES ON THE DEBIT 1563

CARD. 1564

EM: OK 1565

JP: CAUSE YOU KNOW YOU DON’T WANT TO RACK UP THE CREDIT. 1566

EM: OK SO YOUR CERTAIN YOU USED CASH AT THE MCDONALDS THEN? 1567

JP: UM I DON’T KNOW I I THINK I DID. 1568

EM: OK WELL SEE IF YOU CAN TRY TO REMEMBER IF YOU DID OR NOT. 1569

JP: WELL I’D SUPPOSE IT WOULD SHOW UP ON THE BILL IF I USED A CREDIT. 1570

EM: YEAH WHERE DID YOU GO FROM THE MCDONALDS AFTER THAT WHAT 1571

DID YOU DO? 1572

JP: UM JUST DROVE NORTH ON THE FREEWAY. 1573

EM: UM HUH 1574

JP: UM I ACTUALLY TRIED TO CALL SUSAN TO SEE WELL JUST TO LET HER 1575

KNOW THAT I WAS BACK THAT I WAS COMING BACK. 1576

EM: WHAT TIME WAS THAT? 1577

JP: I JUST I CANT REMEMBER. 1578

EM: AFTER LUNCH? 1579

JP: YEAH I MEAN IT WAS PROBABLY TWO OR THREE. 1580

EM: K 1581

JP: AND THEN I WAS JUST DRIVING WITH THE BOYS TELLING THEM JUST 1582

TRYING TO CONVINCE THEM THAT IT’S OK TO GO HOME. 1583

EM: UM HUH 1584

JP: WE DON’T NEED TO PACK IT ALL INTO ONE DAY YOU KNOW? 1585

EM: RIGHT 1586

JP: UM SOMETIME LATER JOVANNA CALLED AND TOLD ME THAT THERE WAS 1587

A THAT PEOPLE WERE WORRIED ABOUT US, 1588

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EM: UM HUH 1589

JP: AND THAT THERE WAS PEOPLE AT OUR HOUSE 1590

EM: WHAT TIME DID SHE CALL DO YOU THINK? 1591

JP: A I DON’T EVEN REMEMBER I MEAN IM SURE IT’S ON THE BILL. 1592

EM: OK WHAT DID THAT CONVERSATION CONSIST OF? 1593

JP: A UM JUST REAL SHORT I MEAN SHE JUST SAID THAT THERES A BUNCH OF 1594

PEOPLE WORRIED ABOUT US. 1595

EM: UM HUH 1596

JP: THERES PEOPLE AT OUR HOUSE AND SHES LIKE WHERES SUSAN AND I 1597

WAS LIKE WELL SHES AT WORK. 1598

EM: UM HUH 1599

JP: SO I MEAN I THOUGHT I THOUGHT SHE WAS AT WORK. 1600

EM: UM HUH 1601

JP: AND SHES LIKE OK WELL THAT’S GOOD AND THAT’S ABOUT IT. 1602

EM: OK AND THEN… 1603

JP: AND I WAS LIKE OK WELL THAT’S COOL WERE FOUND SO QUIT OBSESSING 1604

NO BIG DEAL DUDE. 1605

EM: RIGHT 1606

JP: I MEAN BUT THEN IT I WAS GOING TO PICK UP SUSAN AND WAITING FOR 1607

HER AND SHE DIDN’T COME DOWN AND ABOUT AT THE TIME I WAS 1608

TRYING TO DECIDE WHAT TO DO NEXT UM IT WAS EITHER MY MOM OR 1609

MY SISTER CALLED I I THINK THEY CALLED ME I I DON’T REMEMBER OR 1610

MAYBE I CALLED THEM I CANT EVEN REMEMBER AT THIS POINT YOU 1611

KNOW BECAUSE DURING THAT CONVERSATION UM THAT’S WHEN I 1612

FOUND OUT THAT SHE HADNT SHOWN UP FOR WORK. 1613

EM: UM HUH 1614

JP: AND SO... 1615

EM: HMMM…K SO YOU SAY YOU WENT TO YOU WENT TO HER WORK RIGHT? 1616

JP: YEAH 1617

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EM: TO PICK HER UP WHAT TIME DID YOU GET THERE? 1618

JP: PROBABLY FIVE FIVE THIRTY FIVE… 1619

EM: 5:35? 1620

JP: SOMETHING LIKE THAT 1621

EM: WHAT TIME DO YOU USUALLY PICK HER UP FROM WORK? 1622

JP: 5:35 1623

EM: WHAT TIME DOES SHE GET OFF OF WORK? 1624

JP: 5:30 1625

EM: OK 1626

JP: AND IT TAKES HER FIVE MINUTES TO GET DOWN. 1627

EM: OK 1628

JP: 5-10 IT DEPENDS ON THE DAY. 1629

EM: RIGHT SO YOUR SAYING THAT YOUR THERE DEFINITELY AT 7 AT 5:30? 1630

JP: UM YEAH I… 1631

EM: OK AND SHE DOESN’T COME OUT HOW LONG DO YOU WAIT TILL? 1632

JP: I I LEFT WHEN THAT WITH THAT PHONE CALL… 1633

EM: OK 1634

JP: AFTER THAT YOU KNOW SHE THAT THAT THAT THEY SAID THAT SHE 1635

DIDN’T GO TO WORK AND SO I WAS LIKE WELL I OK THERES NO POINT IN 1636

SITTING HERE THEN. 1637

EM: UM HUH DID THEY ASK YOU…DIDN’T JENNIFER ASK YOU IF YOU WENT TO 1638

WORK? WHEN SHE FIRST ANS…CALLED DID SHE SAY TO YOU DIDN’T YOU 1639

GO TO WORK TODAY? 1640

JP: UM…I DON’T REMEMBER ANY DETAILS ON THAT CAUSE I WAS JUST 1641

FOCUSED ON THE FACT TRYIN TO FIGURE OUT WHY SUSAN DIDN’T GO TO 1642

WORK. 1643

EM: UM HUH OK 1644

JP: AND OBVIOUSLY WITH PEOPLE AT HOME UM IT CREATED SOME CONCERN 1645

YOU KNOW CAUSE THERES ALREADY PEOPLE SAYIN THAT THERE LOOKIN 1646

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FOR ALL FOUR OF US. 1647

EM: UM HUH 1648

JP: A...A…WELL AT THAT POINT I REALIZE THAT THEY WERE LOOKIN FOR ALL 1649

FOUR OF US. 1650

EM: UM HUH 1651

JP: EARLIER I THOUGHT IT WAS JUST THE THREE OF US AND… 1652

EM: OK SO AFTER YOU TALK TO JENNIFER UM OR WHILE YOUR TALKING TO 1653

JENNIFER TELL ME WHAT THE TELL ME EVERYTHING ABOUT THAT 1654

CONVERSATION. 1655

JP: I I JUST DON’T EVEN REMEMBER. 1656

EM: TELL ME WHAT YOU DO REMEMBER. 1657

JP: LIKE IT’S JUST LIKE A BLACK BLANK YOU KNOW. 1658

EM: TELL ME WHAT HAPPENS AFTER YOU DISCONNECT THE PHONE WITH 1659

JENNIFER. 1660

JP: UM JUST STARTED HEADING HOME… 1661

EM: UM HUH 1662

JP: UM JUST TRYING TO FIND SOME FOOD FOR THE BOYS 1663

EM: UM HUH 1664

JP: TRYIN TO CONVINCE THEM TO BOTH EAT THE SAME OR AT OR YOU KNOW 1665

BE WILLING TO EAT THE SAME THING. 1666

EM: UM HUH 1667

JP: UM THE TWO YEAR IS TRYIN TO INSERT HIS INDEPENDENCE SO HE LIKES 1668

TO BE DISAGREEABLE. 1669

EM: UM HUH RIGHT 1670

JP: AND I MEAN SOMETIMES I INDULGE SOMETIMES I DON’T YOU KNOW HOW 1671

IT GOES. 1672

EM: RIGHT 1673

JP: UM A I FINALLY BOUGHT SOME PIZZA 1674

EM: AND THEN THAT’S WHEN YOU CAME TO THE HOUSE AND THAT’S WHEN 1675

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YOU AND I MET RIGHT? 1676

JP: YEAH AND IN FACT WAS IT I DON’T KNOW IF IT WAS IT YOU THAT CALLED 1677

ME? 1678

EM: YEAH 1679

JP: UM YEAH 1680

EM: OK 1681

JP: ABOUT THAT TIME I YEAH YOU CALLED AND THEN I VERY SOON TOLD 1682

THAT HE’S OUT OF LUCK. 1683

EM: YEAH 1684

JP: CAUSE HE DEFINITELY (INAUDIBLE) 1685

EM: DO YOU WANT ME TO GET YOU A DRINK OF WATER OR A SODA? 1686

JP: NO 1687

EM: OR ANYTHING WE HAVE SOME COKE PRODUCTS? NO OK 1688

JP: UM YOU KNOW I GUESS I GUESS IF YOU’VE GOT UM HONESTLY ID RATHER 1689

JUST TAKE IT TO MY BOYS. 1690

EM: WHAT DO YOU WANT? 1691

JP: UM BUT MAYBE A ROOT BEER. 1692

EM: I DON’T KNOW IF WE HAVE ROOT BEER BUT 1693

JP: SPRITE? 1694

EM: IS THAT WHAT YOU WANT TO DRINK? 1695

JP: ORANGE 1696

KNOCKING ON THE DOOR…………………………………………………………………… 1697

JP: (INAUDIBLE) SOMETHING LIKE THAT 1698

EM: ALRIGHT ALRIGHT 1699

JP: ILL ILL JUST TAKE IT TO MY BOYS…. 1700

END OF FIRST DVD……………………………………………………………………………… 1701

DOOR OPENS…………………………………………………………………………………….. 1702

UK: (INAUDIBLE) CAN I HELP YOU WITH ANYTHING 1703

UK: UM… 1704

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DOOR CLOSES…………………………………………………………………………………… 1705

DOOR OPENS……………………………………………………………………………………... 1706

(INAUDIBLE PEOPLE TALKING) 1707

UK: NO NO NO NO ITS IT’S A PRIVACY THING. 1708

JP: OH OH YEAH (INAUDIBLE) 1709

UK: (INAUDIBLE) 1710

JP: OK 1711

UK: JUST MAKE YOUR SELF COMFORTABLE 1712

DOOR CLOSES…………………………………………………………………………………… 1713

DOOR OPENS AND CLOSES……………………………………………………………………. 1714

EM: OK 1715

JP: DECIDED AGAINST THE DRINK HUH? 1716

EM: SO IS THERE SO…NO IT’S A I WENT TO SEE IF I HAD A DOLLAR IN MY A… 1717

JP: OH IT’S A VENDING MACHINE? 1718

EM: YEAH IT’S A VENDING MACHINE SO... 1719

JP: NO IT’S OK I DON’T NEED ONE (INAUDIBLE) 1720

EM: I THOUGHT I HAD SOME CASH I WAS GONNA GRAB ME ONE AND YOU ONE 1721

AND I DON’T HAVE THE STUPID A I DON’T HAVE ANY CASH… 1722

JP: NO IT’S… 1723

EM: SO THEN I RAN TO MY DESK… 1724

JP: THERE UM… 1725

EM: BUT UM… 1726

JP: THEY CAN BE A RIP OFF… 1727

EM: OH YEAH YOU KNOW ESPECIALLY HERE IT’S A $1.25 1728

JP: FOR A BOTTLE OR A CAN? 1729

EM: YEAH FOR A BOTTLE. 1730

JP: OH FOR A BOTTLE YEAH AT LEAST THAT’S BETTER THEN A CAN. 1731

EM: YEAH IT’S CRAZY. 1732

JP: THAT’S 16 OR 24 OUNCES. 1733

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EM: YEAH SO WHEN YOU CALLED UM SO YOU SAID YOU CALLED SUSAN RIGHT 1734

AFTER LUNCH TIME DID YOU CALL ANYBODY ELSE? 1735

JP: I DON’T RECALL CALLING ANYONE ELSE. 1736

EM: OK AND WHEN YOU CALLED SUSAN’S PHONE WAS HER PHONE ON OR OFF? 1737

JP: UM USUALLY WHEN IM MAKING A CALL I HAVE TO FIDDLE WITH THE 1738

HEADSET OR I THINK IN THIS CASE THE HEADSET WAS LOST. 1739

EM: UM HUH 1740

JP: IN THE CAR BUT I ENDED UP FINDING IT THIS MORNING 1741

EM: OK 1742

JP: THAT’S THE ONE THAT YOU SAW… 1743

EM: RIGHT RIGHT 1744

JP: UM BUT YEAH I I DON’T EVEN KNOW I MEAN I USUALLY FIGURE IT’S JUST 1745

GONNA RING SO I I DON’T BOTHER EVEN PUTTIN IT TO MY EAR UNTIL TILL 1746

I GET THE HEADSET ON YOU KNOW? 1747

EM: OK 1748

JP: SO I DIDN’T I DON’T EVEN KNOW WHAT… 1749

EM: SO YOU DON’T KNOW IF IT RANG OR IF…. 1750

JP: I I DON’T I DON’T KNOW… 1751

EM: DID YOU SPEAK TO HER AT ALL? 1752

JP: NO 1753

EM: OK 1754

JP: IT WENT TO HER VOICEMAIL. 1755

EM: ALRIGHT AND WHAT NUMBER DID YOU CALL? 1756

JP: 1757

EM: OK ALRIGHT AND YOUR SAYING IT JUST WENT TO VOICEMAIL DID YOU 1758

LEAVE HER A MESSAGE? 1759

JP: A…A… YEAH 1760

EM: OK WHAT UM A SHE CARRIES THIS PHONE WITH HER ALL THE TIME IM 1761

ASSUMING IT’S HER PERSONAL CELL PHONE RIGHT? 1762

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JP: YEAH 1763

EM: OK SO WHEN SHES AT WORK UM DOES SHE USUALLY LEAVE THE PHONE 1764

ON OR OFF? 1765

JP: UM DEPENDS I I THINK SHE WELL SHE SOMETIMES TURNS IT OFF. 1766

EM: SHE SOMETIMES TURNS IT OFF? 1767

JP: YEAH 1768

EM: IS THERE A UM LIKE AN OFFICE NUMBER TO REACH HER AT AT HER 1769

WORK? 1770

JP: UM I JUST FOUND OUT TODAY THAT THERE IS A OFFICE A DIRECT LINE 1771

BUT SHE HAS ALWAYS TOLD ME TO CALL HER SUPERVISOR. 1772

EM: OK 1773

JP: SO IVE…WELL I DON’T EVER HAVE TO CALL EM SO I DON’T THINK ABOUT 1774

IT YOU KNOW? 1775

EM: SO IS SHE….RIGHT… 1776

JP: I MEAN… 1777

EM: RIGHT BUT IF YOU IF YOU WANTED TO GET AHOLD OF HER AND SHES AT 1778

WORK…. 1779

JP: CELL PHONE 1780

EM: WOULD YOU JUST CALL HER CELL PHONE? 1781

JP: AND LEAVE A MESSAGE I MEAN SHE GETS EM EVENTUALLY. 1782

EM: RIGHT THAT THAT MEANS SHES BUSY SHE OBVIOUSLY CANT ANSWER. 1783

JP: YEAH I MEAN SHES IN THE CALL CENTER SO IT… 1784

EM: IS THAT WHAT WHAT WHAT WHAT DESCRIBE DO YOU KNOW ARE YOU 1785

FAMILIAR WITH HER JOB? 1786

JP: A IVE NEVER DONE IT BUT… 1787

EM: OH I MEAN… 1788

JP: ITS APPROXIMATELY TAKE A PHONE CALL DEAL WITH SOME MORON… 1789

EM: YEAH 1790

JP: THIS IS WHAT SHE TELLS ME. 1791

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JP: YEAH I SORRY I DIDN’T KNOW THESE WERE IN A VENDING MACHINE I 1821

THOUGHT THEY WERE JUST… 1822

EM: NO IT’S ALRIGHT 1823

JP: IN A FRIDGE THAT’S SUPPLIED YOU KNOW 1824

EM: JUST TO WANT TO MAKE SURE…YEAH IT’S ALRIGHT 1825

JP: BUT MY BOYS JUST GET SO EXCITED. 1826

EM: (INAUDIBLE) WHY WOULD SHE HAS SHE EVER LEFT YOUR BOYS BEFORE. 1827

JP: I JUST WANT TO DO SOME SOMETHING SPECIAL FOR THEM, 1828

EM: HAS SHE EVER LEFT THE BOYS BEFORE? 1829

JP: I MEAN DURING THE DAY BUT NOT NOT AN EXTENDED PERIOD. 1830

EM: WHY DO YOU THINK SHE LEFT THIS TIME? 1831

JP: I DON’T KNOW I MEAN SHE ONLY YOU KNOW YOU KNOW IF IT’S HER DAY 1832

OFF SHE SLEEPS IN AND IF IT’S HER DAY TO WORK SHE GETS UP AND GOES 1833

TO WORK. 1834

EM: RIGHT 1835

JP: I JUST CAN’T EVEN THINK OF OF WHAT IS GOING ON 1836

EM: WELL I NEED YOUR HELP JOSH. I MEAN YOU KNOW HER BETTER THEN WE 1837

DO. SHES LEFT YOUR BOYS SHES LEFT YOU. 1838

JP: NO I DON’T THINK SHE DID. 1839

EM: YOU DON’T THINK SO? 1840

JP: NO 1841

EM: HELP ME WHERE SHOULD WE LOOK FOR HER? 1842

JP: I THINK SHE WOULD HAVE GONE TO WORK. 1843

EM: OK 1844

JP: OR DID SHE WOULD HAVE TRIED TO GO TO WORK. 1845

EM: ALRIGHT 1846

JP: I MEAN THAT’S WHAT SHE WOULD HAVE BEEN IN THE PROCESS OF DOING. 1847

EM: UM HUH SHE DIDN’T GO TO WORK. WE KNOW THAT RIGHT? 1848

JP: YEAH SHE DIDN’T GO TO WORK. 1849

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EM: SHE DIDN’T GO TO WORK. 1850

JP: (INAUDIBLE) COLD 1851

EM: YEAH SO THAT’S WHY I NEED YOUR HELP I NEED YOUR HELP TO HELP ME 1852

UM I NEED YOU TO HELP ME FIND HER TELL ME WHERE I NEED TO LOOK FOR 1853

HER. CAUSE YOU’RE THE CLOSEST ONE TO HER. 1854

JP: I JUST CAN’T THINK OF ANY PLACE THAT SHE WOULD BE GOING ASIDE 1855

FROM WORK OR IF SHE WAS INTENDING TO GO TO A FRIENDS HOUSE SHE 1856

WOULD HAVE. 1857

EM: UM HUH DO YOU HAVE ANY VOICEMAILS ON YOUR PHONE FROM HER? 1858

JP: UM…. 1859

EM: IM SURE SHE WAS PROBABLY CONCERNED FOR YOU AND THE BOYS 1860

JP: YOU KNOW WHAT I WAS MAKING CALLS THIS MORNING AND I DIDN’T 1861

REALIZE I GUESS MY PHONE HAS BEEN JUST BUGGIN OUT SO… 1862

EM: WHAT DO YOU MEAN? 1863

JP: UM IT JUST CUTS OUT AND… 1864

EM: OK 1865

JP: AND DIES I MEAN… 1866

EM: OK 1867

JP: SO… 1868

EM: BUT THAT DOESN’T STOP YOUR VOICEMAIL… 1869

JP: WELL NOT THE VOICEMAIL 1870

EM: UM HUH 1871

JP: BUT I DIDN’T HEAR IT RING BECAUSE OF THAT AND… 1872

EM: OK SO I MEAN 1873

JP: AND I AND I I THINK THERE IS A VOICEMAIL. 1874

EM: I MEAN IF SHES GONE 1875

JP: WHICH I SHOULD PROBABLY CHECK I MIGHT AS WELL (INAUDIBLE) MIND 1876

IF I CHECK IT? 1877

EM: WOULD YOU MIND DOING IT ON AUDIX SO I CAN LISTEN LIKE ON SPEAKER 1878

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SO I CAN HEAR IT. 1879

JP: OH OK WELL 1880

EM: YEAH IF YOU COULD DO IT ON SPEAKER THAT WOULD BE GREAT THEN 1881

THAT WAY I CAN LISTEN BECAUSE YOU KNOW I MEAN YOUR SAD THE 1882

BOY THE GIRL IM SURE THE BOYS ARE SAD I MEAN IM SURE THAT SHE 1883

WAS CONCERNED FOR YOU GUYS AND PROBABLY YOU KNOW CALLED 1884

YOUR PHONE TO SEE HOW YOU GUYS ARE HADNT HEARD FROM YOU 1885

WONDERING WHERE YOU GUYS ARE AT. 1886

JP: NO I TOLD HER ID BE BACK IN THE MORNING. 1887

EM: IN THE MORNING BUT YOU DIDN’T EVEN GET BACK UNTIL LATER THAT 1888

AFTERNOON RIGHT? 1889

JP: YEAH MY VOICEMAIL I DON’T THINK THERE WAS A VOICEMAIL 1890

YESTERDAY MY VOICEMAIL OH HOLD ON…MY VOICEMAIL (INAUDIBLE) 1891

THIS…WAIT A MINUTE… 1892

EM: CANT YOU JUST DIAL YOUR PHONE NUMBER? 1893

JP: WONDER WHY I CAN’T THINK STRAIGHT. 1894

EM: CANT YOU JUST CALL YOUR VOICEMAIL? 1895

JP: NO I CAN IF IT WOULD RESPOND OH COME ON… 1896

EM: WHEN WAS THE LAST TIME YOU CHECKED YOUR VOICEMAIL? 1897

JP: I THINK IT WAS LAST NIGHT 1898

EM: WAS THERE ANY VOICEMAILS ON THERE FROM HER? 1899

JP: OR YESTERDAY…NO 1900

EM: THERE WASN’T ANY? 1901

JP: IT NOTIFIES ME WHEN THERES A VOICEMAIL 1902

EM: OK 1903

JP: SO I ACTUALLY DON’T EVEN THINK TO CHECK IT UNLESS IT NOTIFIES ME. 1904

OH SPEAKER 1905

(VOICEMAIL: SAVED MESSAGES NEW MESSAGE) 1906

UK: HEY JOSH UM (INAUDIBLE) SUGGESTED THAT (INAUDIBLE) TO MUCH 1907

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ACCUSATIONS GOING ON IN YOUR CONVERSATIONS WITH THE POLICE 1908

THAT MAYBE YOU SHOULD GET YOURSELF AN ATTORNEY BEFORE YOU 1909

(INAUDIBLE) 1910

JP: (INAUDIBLE) PEOPLE TELLING THAT 1911

UK: (INAUDIBLE) BECAUSE WHETHER YOU’VE DONE ANYTHING OR NOT YOUR 1912

GONNA PROBABLY BE ACCUSED AND YOU YOU KNOW (INAUDIBLE) 1913

JP: SORRY (INAUDIBLE) 1914

UK: MY ADVICE AND A (INAUDIBLE) 1915

(VOICEMAIL:TO PLAY THIS MESSAGE PRESS ONE TO DELETE PRESS SEVEN 1916

TO RETURN THE MESSAGE SENDERED CALL PRESS EIGHT TO SAVE 1917

PRESS…YOUR MESSAGE HAS BEEN DELETED TO UN DELETE PRESS ONE.) 1918

JP: WELL IF YOU WANT TO HEAR THE SAVED ONES THAT’S A PROBABLY 1919

(INAUDIBLE) 1920

UK: (INAUDIBLE) LOVE YOU BYE BYE 1921

JP: APPARENTLY MY MOM CALLED. 1922

EM: OH UM… 1923

JP: SORRY I DIDN’T REALIZE THERE WAS ANOTHER…. 1924

(VOICEMAIL TO REPLAY THIS MESSAGE PRESS ONE TO DELETE PRESS 1925

SEVEN TO RETURN THE MESSAGE SENDERED CALL PRESS EIGHT TO SAVE 1926

PRESS NINE FOR MORE OPTIONS YOUR MESSAGE HAS BEEN DELETED TO 1927

UN DELETE PRESS ONE) 1928

EM: NO ITS OK SO WAS THERE A SO THERE WAS NO MESSAGE FROM HER 1929

YESTERDAY THOUGH? 1930

JP: NO 1931

EM: OK THAT’S THAT’S FINE WE DON’T NEED TO GO THROUGH YOUR SAVED 1932

MESSAGES THAT’S OK WHAT… 1933

JP: SEE IF THERES ANY OTHER NEW ONES REAL QUICK 1934

(VOICEMAIL NEW MESSAGE) 1935

UK: HI JOSH (INAUDIBLE) 1936

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EM: WHO’S THAT CALLING? 1937

JP: MY MOM 1938

EM: YOUR MOM? 1939

UK: (INAUDIBLE) WHATS GOING (INAUDIBLE) 1940

EM: (INAUDIBLE) 1941

UK: CALL ME I LOVE YOU BYE BYE 1942

(VOICEMAIL DELETE YOUR MESSAGE HAS BEEN DELETED TO UN DELETE 1943

PRESS ONE NEW MESSAGE)EM: (INAUDIBLE) 1944

JP: I DON’T THINK THAT I WAS… 1945

EM: OK 1946

JP: AFTER ALL THE COMMOTION LAST NIGHT I WASN’T THINKING ABOUT 1947

VOICEMAILS 1948

EM: THAT’S OK WHAT UM…. 1949

(VOICEMAIL NEW MESSAGE) 1950

JP: NEW MESSAGE HOLD ON… 1951

EM: (INAUDIBLE) 1952

JP: (INAUDBILE) 1953

UK: HI JOSH (INAUDIBLE) YOU KNOW WE WANTED TO TO SEE WHAT WE CAN 1954

DO (INAUDIBLE) 1955

EM: THAT’S (INAUDIBLE) COMIN TO YOUR HOUSE? 1956

JP: YEAH 1957

UK: (INAUDIBLE) 1958

EM: WHAT UM… 1959

JP: HOLD ON LET ME JUST SEE WHAT THIS SAYS…. 1960

UK: UM WE LOVE YOU WERE GETTING THERE AS FAST AS WE CAN WILL TALK 1961

TO YOU SOON HONEY LOVE YOU BYE. 1962

EM: SO HAVE YOU BEEN IN TOUCH WITH YOUR WORK? 1963

JP: YEAH 1964

EM: HAVE YOU TALKED TO THEM? 1965

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(VOICEMAIL TO DELETE MESSAGE PRESS YOUR MESSAGE HAS BEEN 1966

DELETED TO UN DELETE PRESS ONE) 1967

EM: OK HAVE YOU TALKED TO ANYBODY AT HER WORK? HAVE YOU CALLED 1968

HER WORK AT ALL THIS MORNING? 1969

JP: BEEN TRYIN TO GET THE… 1970

(VOICEMAIL NEW MESSAGE) 1971

EM: HI THIS IS DETECTIVE MAXWELL WITH WEST VALLEY (INAUDIBLE) 1972

EM: THAT’S ME DUDE… 1973

JP: (INAUDIBLE) 1974

EM: I DON’T WANT TO SIT HER AND LISTEN TO ALL YOUR MESSAGES 1975

(INAUDIBLE) 1976

JP: ILL SAVE THAT ONE CAUSE IT HAS YOUR CELL PHONE NUMBER 1977

(VOICEMAIL SAVED MESSAGE) 1978

JP: OK IT’S SAVED 1979

UK: HEY JOSH RICHARD AT WORK A GIVE ME A CALL WHEN YOU GET A 1980

CHANCE (INAUDIBLE) 1981

EM: I DON’T WANT TO SIT HERE AND LISTEN TO ALL YOUR MESSAGES DUDE 1982

WE NEED TO FIND YOUR WIFE. 1983

(VOICEMAIL YOUR MESSAGE HAS BEEN DELETED) 1984

EM: WHAT UM DID YOU CALL HER WORK AT ALL 1985

(VOICEMAIL (INAUDIBLE) 1986

EM: AND SEE IF YOU COULD… 1987

JP: UM IVE BEEN TRYING TO TRACK DOWN THE PHONE NUMBER CAUSE 1988

EM: DID YOU ARE YOU I THOUGHT YOU SAID YOU HAD A NUMBER FOR HER 1989

SUPERVISOR? 1990

JP: I THOUGHT I DID 1991

EM: OH 1992

JP: BUT I COULDN’T FIND IT IN MY PHONE SO I (INAUDIBLE) END UP CALLING 1993

TO TRY TO GET IT. 1994

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EM: OK 1995

JP: WELL I MEAN I HAVENT HAD A CHANCE TO CALL IT YET. 1996

EM: (INAUDIBLE) AND THE ONLY REASON IM ASKIN TO SEE IF YOU HEARD 1997

ANYTHING DIFFERENT THEN WHAT THEY TOLD ME DO YOU KNOW WHAT I 1998

MEAN? WITH YOU BEING HER HUSBAND MAYBE THEY WOULD TELL YOU 1999

SOMETHING THAT THEY DIDN’T TELL US DO YOU KNOW WHAT I MEAN? 2000

JP: RIGHT (INAUDIBLE) 2001

EM: SO YOU HAVENT BEEN YOU HAVENT TALKED TO THEM? 2002

JP: NO CAUSE ACTUALLY UM IVE BEEN TRYIN TO TRACK DOWN THE NUMBER 2003

AND I DID FINALLY GET IT. 2004

(INAUDIBLE) 2005

EM: OK 2006

JP: BUT I JUST HAVENT HAD A CHANCE TO CALL. 2007

EM: OK 2008

JP: I WAS GONNA CALL WHEN YOU GUYS WERE OUT… 2009

EM: IS THERE ANYBODY ELSE THAT A YOU’VE CALLED TO FOLLOW UP ON TO 2010

SEE WHERE SHES AT? 2011

JP: I JUST CALLED HER DAD (INAUDIBLE) 2012

EM: YOU CALLED HER DAD? 2013

JP: YEAH 2014

EM: AND YOUR ATTORNEY? 2015

JP: PRE PAID LEGAL ATTORNEYS YEAH 2016

EM: (INAUDIBLE) OH WHAT A HAVE YOU CALLED ANYBODY ELSE TO FOLLOW 2017

UP ON WHERE A I MEAN TO TRY TO FIND HER AT ALL? 2018

JP: IVE BEEN TRYIN TO THINK OF WHO TO CALL 2019

EM: UM HUH 2020

JP: BUT THIS MORNING HAS BEEN JUST TRYIN TO THE MORNING ROUTINE GET 2021

THE BOYS 2022

EM: YEAH 2023

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JP: READY WAITIN FOR MY MOM OH AND I DID SEE SOME FRIEND A OH AND 2024

DAX AND MINDY I FORGOT ABOUT THEM. THERE THERE ALSO MY 2025

FRIENDS 2026

EM: OK DAX AND MINDY? 2027

JP: A...A…A... GU LETS SEE IM NOT SURE DON’T QUOTE ME ON HIS 2028

LAST NAME. 2029

EM: OK DIDYOU TALK TO ANYBODY LAST NIGHT? 2030

JP: HE DROPPED BY THE HOUSE. 2031

EM: OK DID YOU TALK TO ANYBODY LAST NIGHT? 2032

JP: (INAUDIBLE) 2033

EM: AS TRYING TO FIND OUT WHERE SHE COULD HAVE BEEN? NO? OK 2034

JP: UM I TALKED TO MY DAD AND MY FAMILY 2035

EM: LAST NIGHT? 2036

JP: YEAH 2037

EM: WHY DID HE HAVE ANY HELP? 2038

JP: UM I I THINK YOU KNOW I THEY JUST UPDATED ME THE SAME THINGS AS 2039

OTHER PEOPLE DID. 2040

EM: AND YOU SPOKE TO HER DAD RIGHT? TODAY? 2041

JP: UH YEAH 2042

EM: WAS THAT TODAY? 2043

JP: YEAH THAT WAS TODAY. 2044

EM: DID HE HAVE ANYTHING ADDITIONAL? 2045

JP: NO 2046

EM: OK ALRIGHT UM HAVE YOU CALLED LIKE ANY OTHER PLACES WHERE SHE 2047

COULD BE I MEAN HAVE YOU CHECKED ANY PLACES WHERE SHE COULD 2048

BE? 2049

JP: I HAVENT HAD MUCH OF A CHANCE TO DO ANY OF THAT YET 2050

EM: ALRIGHT UM IF THERE WERE PLACES I MEAN IF THERES PLACES THAT WE 2051

NEED TO GO CHECK WHAT PLACES SHOULD WE GO CHECK TO SEE IF WE 2052

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CAN FIND HER? 2053

JP: BEAUTY SUPPLY I DON’T THINK SHE WOULD BE THERE BUT SHE LIKES EM. 2054

EM: OK 2055

JP: BEAUTY SUPPLY 2056

EM: OK SO BEAUTY SUPPLY WHERES THAT AT? 2057

JP: A SHE HAS SO MANY A I FORGOT TO MENTION SHES A LICENSED 2058

COSMOTOLOGIST IN WASHINGTON BUT NOT HERE, 2059

EM: OK BUT YOU DON’T KNOW WHAT BEAUTY SUPPLY STORE SHE WOULD 2060

FREQUENT? 2061

JP: UM I SHE DOES GO TO SALLYS UM AND I DON’T KNOW IF IT’S SALLYS OR A 2062

DIFFERENT ONE ON SOMEWHERE NEAR BANGERTER AND A I I THINK 2063

THIRTY FIFTH. 2064

EM: OK 2065

JP: UM I THINK IT’S RIGHT THERE WITH AN ALBERTSONS 2066

EM: OH OK I THINK IT’S YEAH THIRTY SIXTH WEST MAYBE 2067

JP: YEAH 2068

EM: OK 2069

JP: YEAH SOMETHING LIKE THAT WELL 2070

EM: LETS GO BACK TO ER WORK SCHEDULE YOU SAY MONDAY TUESDAY UM 2071

FRIDAY SATURDAY WHAT ARE HERE TYPICAL HOURS THAT SHE WORKS? 2072

JP: A SEVEN TO FIVE THIRTY 2073

EM: AND THAT’S WHAT SHE WORKS ALL THE TIME? 2074

JP: TYPICALLY I MEAN SHE TOOK THE MORNING OFF ON SATURDAY 2075

EM: OK OK SO ON SATURDAY SHE’S WORK THAT AS WELL? 2076

JP: YEAH 2077

EM: OK DOES SHE GO TO THE GYM AT ALL? 2078

JP: NO 2079

EM: DOES SHE FREQUENT THE GYM 2080

JP: SHE HAS A GYM AT WORK? 2081

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EM: OK SO SHE WOULDN’T BE GOING TO NO GYM? 2082

JP: NO 2083

EM: UM I GUESS THE DIFFICULT THING IN THIS PARTICULAR CASE IS WE DON’T 2084

HAVE A VEHICLE TO LOOK FOR CAUSE SHE DIDN’T HAVE ACCESS TO A 2085

VEHICLE TO DRIVE RIGHT? CAUSE YOU JUST HAVE THE ONE VEHICLE THE 2086

MINI VAN? 2087

JP: YEAH WE SHARE ONE CAR 2088

EM: OK SO IF SHE WANTED TO LEAVE SOMETIME BETWEEN MIDNIGHT AND UM 2089

SAY TEN A.M. UM HOW WOULD SHE GET FROM WHEREVER SH…IF HOW 2090

WOULD SHE LEAVE THE HOUSE? WHO WOULD HOW WOULD SHE WHAT 2091

WOULD SHE USE FOR TRANSPORTATION? 2092

JP: UM TYPICALLY I THINK SHE WOULD EITHER GET A RIDE WITH SOMEONE 2093

OR 2094

EM: OK 2095

JP: RIDE THE BUS. 2096

EM: DOES SHE RIDE THE BUS FREQUENTLY? 2097

JP: NO 2098

EM: OFTEN? 2099

JP: NO 2100

EM: OK 2101

JP: IT’S REAL RARE 2102

EM: WHO WOULD SHE GET A RIDE FROM? WHO WOULD BE THE PERSON I NEED 2103

TO CALL AND SAY HEY DID YOU PCIK UP AND TAKE SUSAN ANYWHERE? 2104

JP: UM 2105

EM: ON MONDAY? 2106

JP: DEBBIE 2107

EM: THAT’S DEBBIE THAT’S THE DAYCARE PROVIDER RIGHT? 2108

JP: UM HUH RIGHT LINDA 2109

EM: WHO’S LINDA? 2110

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JP: THE LADY AT WORK 2111

EM: OK 2112

JP: AT HER WORK 2113

EM: UM HUH 2114

JP: UM JOVANNA 2115

EM: OK 2116

JP: I THINK MAYBE SHES GOTTEN A RIDE FROM JUDY A FEW TIMES 2117

EM: WHO’S JUDY? 2118

JP: A JUDY WADE 2119

EM: OH OK ALRIGHT SO THOSE WOULD BE THE PEOPLE SHE WOULD CALL FOR 2120

A RIDE? OK 2121

JP: I MEAN I KNOW IM SURE THERES OTHER PEOPLE I JUST THERE NOT ALL 2122

COMING 2123

EM: KIIRSI WOULD PROBABLY BE ONE? NO 2124

JP: UM NO LAST RESORT 2125

EM: FOR YOU OR FOR HER? 2126

JP: SHE DOESN’T LIKE TO IMPOSITION KIIRSI 2127

EM: OK ALRIGHT 2128

JP: A...THAT’S THE WAY KIIR…THAT’S JUST KIIRSI’S PERSONALITY YOU 2129

KNOW SHES… 2130

EM: OK 2131

JP: I MEAN SHE WOULD DO IT DON’T GET ME WRONG SHE WOULD DO IT IM 2132

SURE BUT 2133

EM: RIGHT OK 2134

JP: A…DON’T TELL HER THAT I SAID THAT… 2135

EM: I WOULDN’T TELL HER. I WILL NOT TELL HER OK SO NO GYM IF SHE WAS 2136

ABLE TO GET A RIDE THESE ARE THE FOUR PEOPLE SHE WOULD CALL 2137

THAT YOU CAN THINK OF RIGHT NOW RIGHT? 2138

JP: YEAH 2139

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EM: WAS SHE ON ANY MEDICATION AT ALL? 2140

JP: UM SHE WAS ON SOMETHING BUT I DO I THOUGHT IT WAS OVER BUT 2141

MAYBE ITS NOT. 2142

EM: WHAT WOULD THAT BE? 2143

JP: SHE SHE HAD A BAD EAR ACHE AND… 2144

EM: OH 2145

JP: UM SHE HAD I DON’T KNOW THE FLU 2146

EM: OK 2147

JP: THE I THOUGHT… 2148

EM: ANY OTHER ANY (INAUDIBLE) THAT SHE WOULD HAVE TO TAKE ON A 2149

DAILY BASIS SAY FOR MEDICAL CONDITION OR A MENTAL A DISABILITY 2150

OR ANYTHING LIKE THAT? 2151

JP: THERES NOTHING REGULAR. 2152

EM: OK ALRIGHT 2153

JP: AT LEAST NONE THAT I KNOW OF 2154

EM: OK WHY WOULD SHE LEAVE HER A ANY THOUGHTS ON WHY SHE WOULD 2155

LEAVE BEHIND HER PURSE? 2156

JP: WELL SHE DOESN’T ALWAYS TAKE HER PURSE CAUSE ITS BULKY YOU 2157

KNOW? 2158

EM: WOMAN GO EVERYWHERE WITH THEIR PURSE THAT’S WHERE THEIR HAIR 2159

SPRAY IS… 2160

JP: SHE 2161

EM: AND THEIR MAKEUP AND THEIR MONEY 2162

JP: UM SHE DOESN’T ALWAYS TAKE IT 2163

EM: OK 2164

JP: I MEAN 2165

EM: WHAT ARE SOME EXAMPLES OF SOMETIMES WHEN SHE WOULDN’T TAKE 2166

HER PURSE? 2167

JP: UM I DON’T THINK SHE TOOK IT TO THAT PARTY. I DON’T THINK SHE 2168

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TAKES IT TO CHURCH UM YOU KNOW MOST OF THE TIME IF SHE DOESN’T 2169

YOU KNOW SHE’S JUST GOING SOMEWHERE 2170

EM: UM HUH 2171

JP: THAT SHE DOESN’T THINK SHE NEEDS ANYTHING THEN SHE’LL JUST 2172

LEAVE IT UM 2173

EM: OK 2174

JP: BUT IF SHE YOU KNOW IF SHE KNEW IF WE WERE GOING SOMEWHERE 2175

TOGETHER 2176

EM: UM HUH 2177

JP: SHE FREQUENTLY JUST LEAVES IT SHE ASSUMES THAT ILL HAVE KEYS 2178

AND STUFF 2179

EM: RIGHT RIGHT UM NO YOU SAID SEE THAT’S THE OTHER THING IS HER KEYS 2180

JP: YEAH I FOUND OUT MY MOM TOOK THE KEYS IN FACT SHE STILL HAS 2181

THEM. 2182

EM: OK DID SHE GIVE EM BACK SHE DIDN’T GIVE EM BACK TO YA? 2183

JP: NO 2184

EM: OK OK WHAT A DID YOU SEE HER KEYS FROM LAST NIGHT 2185

JP: UM I NEVER DID 2186

EM: YOU DIDN’T? DID YOU TALK TO YOUR MOM ABOUT THE KEYS? 2187

JP: THIS MORNING 2188

EM: OK 2189

JP: I ASKED HER CAUSE I I LOOKED IN THE… 2190

EM: (INAUDIBLE) GO AHEAD 2191

JP: I LOOKED IN HER PERSON TO TRY TO SEE YOU KNOW IF THERE WAS 2192

ANYTHING IN THERE SIGNIFICANT OR IF KEYS WERE THERE AND THEY 2193

WERENT SO I THOUGHT YOU GUYS TOOK EM. 2194

EM: NO 2195

JP: BUT UM 2196

EM: BUT YOU’RE YOU’RE YOUR MOM HAD THEM? 2197

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JP: MY MOM TOOK EM 2198

EM: YEAH (INAUDIBLE) 2199

JP: I ACTUALLY THOUGHT YOU GUYS TOOK MY HEADSET TO 2200

EM: NO WE DON’T TAKE WE DIDN’T TAKE ANYTHING 2201

JP: I I WAS WONDERING IN FACT DO YOU GUYS TAKE STUFF? 2202

EM: NO 2203

JP: WITHOUT TELLING ME? 2204

EM: NO 2205

JP: OK 2206

EM: WE HAVE NO REASON TO TAKE ANYTHING 2207

JP: I WAS JUST WONDERING I THOUGHT THAT BUT 2208

EM: NO 2209

JP: I JUST LIKE I SAID…IVE BEEN 2210

EM: WHAT A WAS THE HOUSE KEY THAT WAS THE HOUSE KEY ON HER SET OF 2211

KEYS? 2212

JP: UM MY MOM ASSUMED IT WAS AND I DIDN’T EVEN GET AROUND TO 2213

TALKIN TO HER ABOUT THE FACT THAT I DON’T THINK IT IS 2214

EM: UM HUH 2215

JP: UNLESS IT’S CLIPPED ON YOU KNOW BUT… 2216

EM: RIGHT 2217

JP: UM SHE WOULD HAVE TO VERIFY 2218

EM: OK NOT A PROBLEM UM WHAT ABOUT UM THE KIDS DID THE KIDS SAY 2219

ANYTHING TO YA YOU CAUSE… 2220

JP: NO 2221

EM: IF IF A MOM WAS TALKING TO SOMEBODY ELSE ON THE PHONE RIGHT SAY 2222

IF SHE WAS TALKING TO SOMEBODY ON THE PHONE OR TALKING TO 2223

SOMEBODY AND SHE WAS TALKING ABOUT… 2224

JP: RIGHT THERE GONNA REPEAT IT 2225

EM: YEAH EXACTLY KIDS ARE ALWAYS TALKING SO I MEAN DID WHY YOU 2226

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WERE WITH THE KIDS LAST NIGHT AND UM UM YESTERDAY AND A THE 2227

NIGHT BEFORE YESTERDAY THAT MORNING OR ANYTHING I MEAN DID 2228

DID THE KIDS EVER SAY ANYTHING THAT YOU THOUGHT WAS KIND OF 2229

LIKE KINDA WEIRD LIKE WOW? 2230

JP: UH HUH 2231

EM: WHERE DID YOU COME UP WITH THAT? NO? 2232

JP: NO 2233

EM: HMMM… 2234

JP: WHEN THEY UM THERE JUST ACTIN NORMAL 2235

EM: ARE THEY? HAVE THEY ASKED WHERE MOM IS AT? 2236

JP: THEY I THINK THERE OVER HEARING ALL OF OUR CONVERSATIONS AND 2237

THERE JUST I GUESS COPING OR SOMETHING I DON’T KNOW. 2238

EM: UM HUH SO THEY HAVENT QUESTIONED OR INQUIRED AS TO WHERE 2239

MOMS AT? 2240

JP: WELL THEY DID YESTERDAY BUT YOU KNOW… 2241

EM: WHEN WHEN YESTERDAY? 2242

JP: ON THE WAY HOME YOU KNOW HE WAS TRYIN TO SAY HE WANTS TO GO 2243

TELL HER ABOUT A RATTLE SNAKE OR SOMETHING 2244

EM: OK ON THE WAY HOME FROM THE PONY EXPRESS ROAD? 2245

JP: YEAH 2246

EM: OK 2247

JP: BUT SINCE THEN YOU KNOW ITS YOU KNOW I MEAN HE MIGHT HE HE 2248

BEFORE ALL THIS STARTED HE SAID THAT HE WANTED TO TELL HER 2249

SHOW HER SOMETHING A FEW TIMES YOU KNOW? 2250

EM: YEAH 2251

JP: BUT THEN SINCE THEN THEY HAVENT I I MEAN IM SURE THEY KNOW THAT 2252

SHE ISNT AROUND 2253

EM: YEAH 2254

JP: AND I DON’T 2255

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EM: AND THAT’S WHY I ASKED IF THEY HAD ASKED YOU ABOUT THAT CAUSE 2256

(INAUDIBLE)… 2257

JP: I DON’T KNOW IF I NEED TO SIT AND TALK TO THEM OR WHAT? 2258

EM: OK WHAT 2259

JP: GUESS I WILL 2260

EM: WHAT UM IS THERE ANY DOES SHE HAVE ANY ENEMIES? IS THERE ANY 2261

ENEMIES OUT THERE THAT A… 2262

JP: UM SHE GAVE KEYS TO THE DAYCARE PROVIDER AND I DON’T KNOW 2263

WHO ELSE 2264

EM: OK 2265

JP: UM SO I DON’T KNOW WHO HAS KEYS TO OUR HOUSE. 2266

EM: OK 2267

JP: TO BE HONEST 2268

EM: WHY WOULD SHE GIVE KEYS TO THE DAYCARE PROVIDER? 2269

JP: UM SHES AFRAID OF GETTING LOCKED OUT. 2270

EM: OK 2271

JP: UM YEAH 2272

EM: YEAH 2273

JP: BUT I YOU KNOW SHE NEVER MENTIONED IT TO ME 2274

EM: SHE (INAUDIBLE) 2275

JP: I HAD TO FIND OUT AFTER THE FACT YOU KNOW 2276

EM: AFTER WHAT FACT? 2277

JP: WELL AFTER SHE GAVE THE KEYS AWAY AND SO I DIDN’T KNOW SHE WAS 2278

GIVIN THEM OUT TO HER AND SO I DON’T KNOW WHO ELSE SHE COULD 2279

HAVE GIVIN THEM TO 2280

EM: SO DID A DID SUSAN TELL YOU THAT SHE GAVE THE KEY O THE KEY TO 2281

THE DAYCARE PROVIDER? 2282

JP: UM 2283

EM: AFTER SHE GAVE HER THE KEY IS THAT WHAT (INAUDIBLE) 2284

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JP: ACTUALLY TO BE HONEST I FOUND OUT FROM FROM MY FAMILY 2285

EM: OK YESTERDAY? 2286

JP: YEAH AND SO I WAS KINDA PISSED OFF THAT THEY BROKE THE WINDOW 2287

IF SHES THE ONE WHO STARTED INQUIRING SHE HAD A KEY 2288

EM: UM HUH 2289

JP: BUT WHAT CAN YOU DO? 2290

EM: OK SO YOU ACTUALLY DIDN’T KNOW THAT SHE GAVE THE DAYCARE 2291

PROVIDER A KEY UNTIL YESTERDAY? 2292

JP: I I DIDN’T REALLY 2293

EM: AND YOU THINK THE REASON WHY SHE GAVE HER A KEY IS BECAUSE 2294

JP: WELL THAT’S WHAT THEY TOLD ME THAT SHE WAS AFRAID OF GETTING 2295

LOCKED OUT 2296

EM: OH OK AND DID THE DAYCARE PROVIDER? 2297

JP: (INAUDIBLE) 2298

EM: THE DAYCARE PROVIDER TOLD YOU THAT? 2299

JP: NO I DON’T KNOW HOW THEY FOUND THAT OUT. 2300

EM: ME NEITHER LIKE I SAID WHEN OUR PATROL OFFICERS WERE…. 2301

JP: I I GUESS I COULD ASK THEM IF THEY’VE TALKED TO HER OR SOMETHING 2302

EM: YEAH A… 2303

JP: UM MAYBE MY SISTER TALKED TO HER AND THEN MY SISTER TALKED TO 2304

MY DAD AND THEN MY DAD AND MY BROTHER AND SISTER TOLD ME AND 2305

EM: YEAH 2306

JP: I DON’T KNOW WHICH (INAUDIBLE) 2307

EM: OK UM WHAT ABOUT CLOSE PEOPLE I MEAN YOU’VE MENTIONED LINDA 2308

AS A PERSON AT HER WORK ARE THERE SOME OTHER CLOSE PEOPLE AT 2309

HER WORK THAT A THAT YOU KNOW OF THAT MAYBE I NEED TO TALK 2310

TO? 2311

JP: I MEAN THERE ARE BUT I I DON’T REALLY KNOW THERE NAMES I DON’T 2312

EVER SEE EM 2313

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EM: (INAUDIBLE) 2314

JP: CAUSE SHE’LL IF SHE’S GONNA GO DO SOMETHING WITH THEM UM 2315

USUALLY ITS EITHER DURING WORK OR I THINK A COUPLE TIMES SHE DID 2316

GIRLS NIGHTS AND I DON’T I MEAN I DON’T ALWAYS ASK WHO ITS WITH 2317

SHE’S LIKE IM DOIN A GIRLS NIGHT OK WHATEVER. 2318

EM: OK WE KIND OF GOT OFF TRACK HER ON THE ENEMIES THING YOU 2319

BROUGHT UP A THAT A KEY WAS GIVEN TO THE DAYCARE PROVIDER 2320

WHICH HAS NOTHING TO DO WITH THE ENEMIES. DOES SHE A DOES SHE 2321

HAVE ANY ENEMIES OUT THERE ANY PEOPLE THAT DON’T LIKE HER? 2322

JP: WELL I I JUST MENTIONED THE KEY THING BECAUSE 2323

EM: UM HUH 2324

JP: IF THERES KEYS FLOATIN AROUND 2325

EM: UM HUH 2326

JP: IT YOU JUST DON’T KNOW 2327

EM: OK SO 2328

JP: BUT UM I DON’T KNOW UM I DON’T THINK SHE HAS ANY ENEMIES I MEAN 2329

EM: OK 2330

JP: YOU KNOW SHE’LL SOMETIMES REPORT PROBLEMS WHEN THEY SEE EM 2331

BUT YOU KNOW I I DON’T THINK ANYONE IN OUR NEIGHBORHOOD WOULD 2332

BE MALICIOUS YOU KNOW? 2333

EM: UM HUH OK 2334

JP: TEENAGERS BREAKING WINDOWS BUT OTHER THAN THAT THAT’S YEAH I 2335

MEAN 2336

EM: OK SO NO SO NO ENEMIES NOBODY THAT WOULD WANT TO HARM HER 2337

NOBODY THAT WOULD WANT TO IS MAD AT HER THAT YOU KNOW OF? 2338

JP: I CAN’T THINK OF ANYONE 2339

EM: OK UM HOW BOUT SUICIDE? DEPRESSION? WAS SHE IS SHE DID SHE IS 2340

EVER SUICIDAL OR DEPRESSED? 2341

JP: SHE WAS SUICIDAL 2342

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EM: SHE WAS? 2343

JP: YEAH 2344

EM: WHENS THAT? 2345

JP: WELL I THOUGHT THAT WAS OVER 2346

EM: TELL ME (INAUDIBLE) OK TELL ME EVERY THING ABOUT THAT 2347

JP: UM SHE JUST UM SHE WAS JUST SAD I GUESS I MEAN I JUST I JUST… 2348

EM: WHAT WAS SHE SAD ABOUT? 2349

JP: WELL I I WAS ALWAYS UM I DON’T KNOW I MEAN I DO A LOT YOU KNOW 2350

BUT I DON’T ALWAYS DO EVERYTHING THAT SHE WANTS AND YOU KNOW 2351

FOR AWHILE WE WERE NOT AFFECTIONATE YOU KNOW 2352

EM: UM HUH 2353

JP: I GUESS THAT WAS DEPRESSING AND I I DON’T KNOW IF MAYBE SHE WAS 2354

UPSET ABOUT WORK OR SOMETHING BUT I DON’T KNOW IT ALL I MEAN 2355

LIKE I SAY WE DIDN’T DO A WHOLE LOT OF TALKING ABOUT IT AND I 2356

THOUGHT THAT SHE WAS OVER IT YOU KNOW 2357

EM: OK WELL YOU SAY THAT SHE WAS SAD AND SHE WAS SAD AND A YOU 2358

MENTIONED THAT YOU WERENT THAT AFFECTIONATE TOGETHER AND 2359

THAT A YOU MENTIONED THAT SOMETIMES YOU WERENT DOING THINGS 2360

THAT SHE ASKED UM ARE YOU THINKING THAT…. 2361

JP: NO SOMETIMES SHE THINKS IM LAZY OR SOMETHING YOU KNOW? 2362

EM: CAUSED HER TO BE SAD? ARE YOU SAYING THAT THOSE THAT THAT 2363

CAUSED HER TO BE SAD? 2364

JP: UM I I DON’T KNOW I MEAN HONESTLY HONESTLY I THINK HER MOM IS 2365

CRAZY 2366

EM: OK 2367

JP: UM AND HONESTLY I THINK THAT THERES SOME (INAUDIBLE) GENETIC 2368

(INAUDIBLE) YOU KNOW? 2369

EM: UM HUH 2370

JP: INHERITED SOME HOW. 2371

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EM: K 2372

JP: BUT I DON’T THINK SHES EVER BEEN DIAGNOSED WITH ANYTHING AND 2373

LIKE I SAY IT’S NOT REALLY NEVER BEEN REALLY A HUGE PROBLEM YOU 2374

KNOW? 2375

EM: IT’S NEVER BEEN A BIG PROBLEM? WHY WOULD YOU SAY THAT SHE HAS 2376

BEEN SUICIDAL IN THE PAST THEN? 2377

JP: WELL I MEAN SHE TOLD ME 2378

EM: WHAT DID SHE TELL YOU? 2379

JP: BASICALLY WHAT I TOLD YOU THAT SHE WAS JUST DEPRESSED YOU 2380

KNOW MAINLY ABOUT I MEAN I YOU KNOW JUST THE AFFECTION ISSUE 2381

AND UM AND I THINK SHE MENTIONED A FEW THINGS ABOUT WORK BUT I 2382

DON’T REMEMBER. I DON’T REMEMBER WHAT YOU KNOW 2383

EM: UM HUH 2384

JP: UM AND SOME FRIENDS BUT I DON’T REMEMBER ANY DETAILS ON THAT 2385

BUT SHE WASN’T HANGING OUT WITH FRIENDS ENOUGH OR SOMETHING 2386

YOU KNOW 2387

EM: OK DID SHE EVER A DID SHE EVER ATTEMPT TO COMMIT SUICIDE? 2388

JP: I DON’T THINK SO 2389

EM: OK UM DID SHE EVER TALK ABOUT COMMITTING SUICIDE? 2390

JP: NO NOT WITH ME 2391

EM: OK UM DID SHE EVER TALK ABOUT DEPRESSION OR BEING IN A DEEP 2392

DEPRESSION OR BEING DEPRESSED? 2393

JP: UM ONLY REALLY ONLY ONCE WITH ME 2394

EM: OK WHEN WAS THAT? 2395

JP: I THINK THAT’S BEEN MONTHS AGO. 2396

EM: MONTHS AGO? 2397

JP: OR LIKE I DON’T KNOW 2398

EM: I DON’T EITHER 2399

JP: SIX MONTHS MAYBE OR… 2400

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EM: OK 2401

JP: ACTUALLY IT COULD HAVE BEEN SIX MONTHS OR A YEAR I DON’T KNOW 2402

EM: OK TELL ME EVERYTHING ABOUT THAT. 2403

JP: WELL THAT’S WHAT I JUST TOLD YOU. 2404

EM: WHAT? THAT THERE WAS AFFECTION ISSUES, SHE WASN’T SPENDING 2405

ENOUGH TIME WITH HER FRIENDS AND YOU WOULDN’T DO THE THINGS 2406

THAT SHE LIKED YOU TO DO? 2407

JP: YEAH 2408

EM: OK SO… 2409

JP: THOSE KIND OF THINGS. 2410

EM: SO THOSE ARE THE CONTRIBUTORS TO HER BEING SAD AND BEING 2411

DEPRESSED? 2412

JP: THAT’S WHAT SHE TOLD ME 2413

EM: OK AND UM OUT OF THOSE CONTRIBUTORS OF OF THOSE PROBLEMS OR 2414

CONCERNS THAT SHE HAD HOW DID THAT AFFECT YOUR GUY’S 2415

RELATIONSHIP? 2416

JP: UM WELL WE STARTED SEEING A COUNSELOR OH AND SHE WAS 2417

DEPRESSED THAT I WASN’T GOING TO CHURCH. 2418

EM: OK 2419

JP: UM SO UM THINGS HAVE BEEN GOIN GOOD YOU KNOW I MEAN WE 2420

ALWAYS VENT IN FRONT OF THE COUNSELOR YOU KNOW HOW THAT 2421

GOES THAT’S LIKE THE SAFE SPOT…. 2422

EM: YEAH 2423

JP: TO SAY WHAT YOU DON’T WANT TO SAY NORMALLY 2424

EM: UM HUH 2425

JP: BUT OTHER WISE I MEAN THROUGHOUT THE WEEKS AND MONTHS I MEAN 2426

I DON’T KNOW WE JUST TRY TO DO LITTLE THINGS YOU KNOW I MEAN I 2427

TRY TO DO A LITTLE MORE HELPIN OUT AROUND THE HOUSE YOU KNOW 2428

AND… 2429

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EM: UM HUH 2430

JP: AND SHE HAS A LITTLE BIT OF A TEMPER SO SHE SAID SHE WOULD WORK 2431

ON THAT 2432

EM: UM HUH 2433

JP: SO I I MEAN SHE HAS YOU KNOW BUT THAT’S WHERE I SAY HER MOTHER 2434

IS CRAZY AND IVE BEEN TRYING TO CONVINCE HER THAT YOU GOTTA 2435

GET SOME SHRINK TO POUND YOUR MOTHER OUT OF YOU BUT SHE 2436

DOESN’T SEE IT THAT WAY SHE SHE GETS REALLY MAD WHEN I SAY 2437

ANYTHING ABOUT HER MOTHER 2438

EM: WELL YEAH MOST MOST WIVES DO MOST DEFINITELY BUT UM SO WITH 2439

THIS WHAT WE’VE JUST DISCUSSED ARE YOU SAYING THAT THIS HAS 2440

BEEN GOING ON FOR THE LAST SIX MONTHS TO A YEAR? 2441

JP: WELL NO I DON’T KNOW… 2442

EM: OR HAS THIS BEEN GOING ON THROUGHOUT YOUR RELATIONSHIP? 2443

JP: OH NO 2444

EM: AND IT’S…IM JUST TRYIN TO GET THE TIME LINE ON THIS UM 2445

JP: WELL I MEAN… 2446

EM: WITH HER BEING SAD BECAUSE OF THE AFFECTION ISSUES… 2447

JP: I ONLY I (INAUDIBLE) 2448

EM: NOT SPENDING TIME WITH HER FRIENDS, NOT GOIND TO CHURCH, YOU 2449

NOT DOING THINGS THAT SHE ASKED IS THAT WAS THAT A LONGEVITY 2450

PROBLEM THROUGHOUT YOUR RELATIONSHIP AND YOU STARTED 2451

ADDRESSING SIX MONTHS AGO? 2452

JP: IT’S NOT NECESSARILY THAT SHE HAS TO ASKS SHE JUST WANTS ME TO 2453

FIGURE OUT YOU KNOW 2454

EM: OK BUT AGAIN… 2455

JP: SOMETIMES 2456

EM: IS THIS WAS THIS A LONGEVITY PROBLEM THROUGHOUT THE 2457

RELATIONSHIP AND IT AND YOU GUYS STARTED ADDRESSING IT SIX 2458

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MONTHS OR… 2459

JP: UM… 2460

EM: IS THIS SOMETHING THAT UM HAS JUST DEVELOPED OVER THE LAST SIX 2461

MONTHS CAUSE YOU GAVE ME A SIX MONTHS TO A YEAR TIME FRAME 2462

JP: WELL 2463

EM: SO IM TRYING TO… 2464

JP: IT SEEMS TO ME THAT WE STARTED SEEING A COUNSELOR I I I DON’T 2465

KNOW WHEN BUT IT’S BEEN QUIT A FEW MONTHS 2466

EM: OK SO SIX MONTHS TO A YEAR AGO YOU STARTED SEEING A COUNSELOR? 2467

JP: A IT’S NOT BEEN A YEAR WITH THE COUNSELOR 2468

EM: OK 2469

JP: UM I I HONESTLY DON’T REMEMBER HOW LONG 2470

EM: OK SO THIS HAS BEEN A RELATIONSHIP ISSUE THROUGHOUT YOUR GUY’S 2471

RELATIONSHIP AND YOUR STARTING TO ADDRESS IT YOU’VE JUST BEEN 2472

ADDRESSING RECENTLY WITH A COUNSELOR IS THAT CORRECT? 2473

JP: UM… 2474

KNOCK ON THE DOOR…………………………………………………………………………. 2475

DOOR OPENS……………………………………………………………………………………... 2476

CM: DO YOU NEED SOME WATER OR ANYTHING? WANT SOME WATER? 2477

JP: IM OK THANKS 2478

CM: YOU’RE GOOD OK HEY CAN I TALK TO YOU FOR MINUTE? 2479

EM: JUST ONE SECOND. 2480

JP: OK 2481

DOOR CLOSES…………………………………………………………………………………… 2482

DOOR OPENS……………………………………………………………………………………... 2483

CM: HEY HOW ARE YOU DOING? 2484

JP: OK (INAUDIBLE) 2485

CM: IM DETECTIVE MARTELL… 2486

DOOR CLOSES…………………………………………………………………………………… 2487

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CM: HE A HE HAD TO GO MAKE A PHONE CALL REAL QUICK HE HAD A 2488

SOMEBODY ON THE PHONE 2489

JP: OK 2490

CM: SO JUST…. 2491

JP: IM ACTUALLY THINKIN IM GONNA HAVE TO WRAP IT UP HERE PRETTY 2492

QUICK CAUSE… 2493

CM: OK 2494

JP: IM FEELING PRETTY 2495

CM: ALRIGHT WELL… 2496

JP: PRETTY SICK AT THIS POINT. 2497

CM: HERES HERES HERES WHAT WERE TRYING TO DO JUST SO YOU KNOW 2498

WERE JUST TRYING TO HELP YOU OUT I KNOW YOUR PROBABLY KINDA A 2499

LITTLE BIT SCARED RIGHT NOW…UM 2500

JP: A LITTLE BIT 2501

CM: YEAH YOU KNOW WHAT LET ME TELL YOU SOMETHING K BEING SCARED 2502

IS NORMAL EVERYBODY GETS SCARED. 2503

JP: K 2504

CM: K I MEAN I GET SCARED COMIN IN I DON’T EVEN KNOW WHO YOU ARE 2505

COMIN IN HERE TALKING TO YOU 2506

JP: K 2507

CM: UM SO YOU KNOW JUST BASICALLY WHAT I WANT YOU TO DO IS RELAX IF 2508

THERES ANYTHING I CAN DO FOR YOU. I CAN GET YOU SOME WATER UM… 2509

JP: I GOT THE… 2510

CM: YOU GOT A YOU GOT A DRINK THERE? 2511

JP: UM HUH IM GONNA TAKE IT SO MY SONS CAUSE THEY THEY NEED IT 2512

MORE THEN ME 2513

CM: K K WELL TELL ME HOW YOUR FEELING RIGHT NOW JUST SEE IF I CAN 2514

HELP YOU OUT WHATS GOING ON? 2515

JP: UM 2516

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CM: I MEAN LET ME HELP YOU OUT ME K SERIOUSLY 2517

JP: UM HONESTLY KINDA CONFUSED AND DISTRACTED AND PR…PRETTY 2518

WORRIED. 2519

CM: YEAH WHAT YOU WORRIED ABOUT? 2520

JP: I JUST DON’T THINK SHE’LL I (INAUDIBLE) UM IM JUST WORRIED ABOUT 2521

WHAT THE POSSIBILITIES ARE YOU KNOW AND UM NOT GETTING MORE 2522

ENCOURAGED OVER TIME. 2523

CM: RIGHT CAN (INAUDIBLE) 2524

JP: I MEAN THERES OBVIOUSLY A LITTLE BIT OF WORRY ABOUT YOU KNOW 2525

WHAT YOU KNOW WHATS GONNA HAPPEN TO ME OR MY BOYS YOU 2526

KNOW BUT 2527

CM: RIGHT WHAT CAN I DO TO HELP YOU WITH THAT? 2528

JP: I I DON’T KNOW 2529

CM: (INAUDIBLE) 2530

JP: WILL JUST HAVE TO TAKE IT ONE ONE DAY AT A TIME 2531

CM: RIGHT WELL AND I UNDERSTAND YOU’RE A LITTLE FRUSTRATED THAT 2532

YOU’VE BEEN SITTIN HERE TALKING TO US FOR A WHILE BUT… 2533

JP: IT’S NOT FRUSTRATING ITS JUST IT’S A LITTLE BIT HARD BUT… 2534

CM: WELL AND YOU NEED TO UNDERSTAND THIS IS WERE WERE WERE… 2535

JP: I JUST 2536

CM: DOING EVERYTHING WERE GONNA DO EVERYTHING POSSIBLE TO HELP 2537

YOU OUT HELP OUT YOU KNOW TRY TO FIND YOUR FIND YOUR WIFE AND 2538

WE NEED TO DO THIS ITS NOT FUN FOR US ITS NOT FUN FOR YOU BUT WE 2539

DO HAVE TO DO THIS AND I KNOW SOMETIMES YOU JUST FEEL LIKE… 2540

JP: I AM 2541

CM: YOU’VE BEEN SITTIN HERE TALKING TO US FOR A LITTLE BUT A YOU’RE 2542

THE ONLY ONE THAT’S GONNA BE ABLE TO HELP US 2543

JP: WELL I JUST REALLY CONCERNED WHEN THERE SITTING THERE MAKING 2544

LIGHT OF LIKE THIS AND IM GOING 2545

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CM: YEAH 2546

JP: THAT’S STARTIN TO GET A LITTLE BIT… 2547

CM: RIGHT 2548

JP: SCARY YOU KNOW AND ALSO THE FACT THEY MADE A BIG DEAL ABOUT 2549

THE CELL PHONE WHICH I DIDN’T EVEN I HAD FORGOTTEN THAT I HAD IT 2550

ALL 2551

CM: RIGHT WELL AGAIN WERE JUST DOIN OUR JOB YOU KNOW AND ITS JUST 2552

THERES GONNA BE QUESTIONS THAT ARE GONNA MAKE YOU 2553

UNCOMFORTABLE THERES GONNA BE QUESTIONS THAT YOU PROBABLY 2554

UNDERSTAND WHY WERE ASKING THOSE QUESTIONS SO YOU NEED TO 2555

UNDERSTAND AND PUT YOURSELF IN OUR IN OUR PLACE. 2556

JP: IM IM IM TRYIN TO DO THAT… 2557

CM: YOU KNOW AND I KNOW ITS KINDA TOUGH FOR YOU TO PUT YOURSELF IN 2558

OUR SPOT ESPECIALLY WHEN YOU’RE YOUR MINDS GOING 2559

PRO…PROBABLY GOIN ALOTS GOING THROUGH YOUR MIND RIGHT NOW… 2560

JP: YEAH AND I… 2561

CM: AND TRYIN TO FIGURE OUT WHATS GOING ON BUT UM JUST BE PATIENT 2562

WITH US OK? 2563

JP: I MEAN IM IM TRYIN YOU KNOW IM JUST TRYIN TO TAKE IT ONE DAY ONE 2564

MINUTE AT TIME I GUESS. 2565

CM: RIGHT UM… 2566

JP: ARE YOU A GRIEF COUNSELOR OR SOMETHING? 2567

CM: IM A DETECTIVE FOR WEST VALLEY I AM YOU KNOW ITS JUST A COME IN 2568

HERE JUST TO SAY HI WHY HE’S ON THE PHONE SO YOUR NOT HERE BY 2569

YOURSELF WONDERING WHATS GOIN ON. 2570

JP: WELL I APPRECIATE IT CAUSE EVERYTIME I SIT IN HERE BY MYSELF I JUST 2571

WANT TO LEAVE. 2572

CM: YEAH I DON’T WANT YOU TO DO THAT CAUSE WE GOTTA GET YOU KNOW 2573

FIGURE OUT WE CAN HELP YOU YOU KNOW. BUT THAT’S ALL IM DOING IS 2574

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JUST COMIN…. 2575

JP: OH I KNOW ITS 2576

CM: SO HOW LONG HAVE YOU BEEN MARRIED FOR? 2577

JP: UM I DON’T KNOW IT SEEMS LIKE IT WAS 2001 APRIL OR YEAH 2001. 2578

CM: (MUMBLING) IS THIS THE FIRST TIME YOU BEEN MARRIED NEVER BEEN 2579

MARRIED BEFORE? 2580

JP: I THINK IT WAS 2001 YOU KNOW FOR SOME REASON 2000 IS STUCK IN MY 2581

HEAD TO… 2582

CM: UM HUH 2583

JP: AND… 2584

CM: YOU CAN’T REMEMBER? 2585

JP: ALL THESE LITTLE A I NORMALLY CAN BUT I CAN NORMALLY REMEMBER 2586

MY BOYS BIRTHDAYS TO BUT YOU KNOW I CAN’T EVEN REMEMBER WHY 2587

IM WALKING INTO A ROOM I HAVE TO WALK IN THERE. 2588

CM: YEAH 2589

JP: SEVERAL TIMES AND THEN WALK BACK OUT LIKE I WAS TRYIN TO FIX 2590

THAT WINDOW WITH A PIECE OF CARDBOARD AND I COULD…I KEPT 2591

MEASURING IT AND I COULDN’T REMEMBER THE MEASUREMENT… 2592

CM: WHAT… 2593

JP: LIKE SIX TIMES 2594

CM: WHAT WINDOWS THIS? 2595

JP: THE BUSTED A WINDOW IN MY HOUSE 2596

CM: OH THEY DID WHO DID? 2597

JP: I DON’T KNOW I GUESS IT WAS A (INAUDIBLE) DETECTIVE UM 2598

CM: OH THEY DID? 2599

JP: WHAT WHATS HIS NAME? 2600

CM: A OH… 2601

JP: MAXWELL 2602

CM: MAXWELL UM HUH 2603

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JP: IM TRYIN TO YEAH THEY BROKE AWINDOW UM APARENTLY (INAUDIBLE) 2604

CM: SEE I DON’T KNOW I DON’T KNOW ANYTHING ABOUT THIS CASE IM JUST 2605

HERE TO JUST KINDA KEEP YOU COMPANY… 2606

JP: WELL THEY WERE WORRIED ABOUT IF WE WERE IN THERE SUPPOSEDLY IF 2607

WE WERE IN THERE SUFFOCATING 2608

CM: OH REALLY 2609

JP: SO THEY WANTED TO BREAK A WINDOW AND FIND OUT YOU KNOW SO 2610

THEY WENT IN THEY DID WHATEVER THEY WANTED TO DO I GUESS 2611

CM: RIGHT 2612

JP: UM I I WAS TOLD THAT THEY WENT THROUGH SOME THINGS I DON’T 2613

KNOW WHAT ALL THEY WENT THROUHG UM I I ASSUME THEY WENT 2614

THROUGH THE WHOLE HOUSE 2615

CM: K I I WASN’T AWARE OF THAT SO…SO DO YOU WANT ME TO SEE IF HE’S 2616

DONE? IF YOU WANT TO JUST WAIT HERE ILL HURRY AND WELL LIKE I SAY 2617

HE JUST HAS TO TALK TO YOU ABOUT A COUPLE LITTLE THINGS MORE 2618

AND WILL BE A WILL BE DONE HERE I WOULD IMAGINE I DON’T KNOW I 2619

HAVE TO TALK TO HIM FIND OUT WHAT HE’S DOING… 2620

JP: YEAH IM IM ACTUALLY STARTING TO FEEL PRETTY SICK SO IM… 2621

CM: DO YOU WANT TO GO TO THE BATHROOM? 2622

JP: NO 2623

CM: AND USE THE RESTROOM OR ANYTHING? K LET ME GO TELL HIM THAT 2624

HOW YOUR FEELING OK ILL BE RIGHT BACK. 2625

JP: OK 2626

DOOR OPENS AND CLOSES……………………………………………………………………. 2627

DOOR OPENS……………………………………………………………………………………... 2628

EM: WHERE DID MY BUDDY GO? 2629

DOOR CLOSES…………………………………………………………………………………… 2630

JP: OH HE LEFT 2631

EM: YOU ALRIGHT? 2632

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JP: UM YEAH 2633

EM: OK 2634

JP: IVE JUST BEEN FEELING SICK SO I THINK… 2635

EM: OH 2636

JP: I WANNA LEAVE HERE. 2637

EM: GET SOME MEDICINE 2638

JP: UM WELL YEAH I MEAN THAT WOULDN’T BE BAD 2639

EM: UM K…WELL YEAH IF YOU WANT TO LEAVE YOU CAN LEAVE I JUST UM… 2640

JP: WELL I MEAN I JUST AM TRYIN TO TOUGH IT OUT YOU KNOW? 2641

EM: YEAH I KNOW YOU KNOW I UNDERSTAND JOSH I UNDERSTAND THIS IS 2642

VERY DIFFICULT AND YOU KNOW WHAT JOSH… 2643

JP: YEAH 2644

EM: ITS I I UNDERSTAND THIS IS VERY DIFFICULT FOR YOU…OK I I I I MEAN I 2645

HAVENT BEEN IN YOUR POSITION BEFORE WHERE I I LEFT AND I CAME 2646

HOME AND MY WIFE WAS GONE OK? 2647

JP: RIGHT 2648

EM: I IVE NEVER BEEN THERE 2649

JP: YEAH 2650

EM: BUT IVE BEEN ON THIS END OF IT YOU KNOW? AND IVE EXPERIENCED A 2651

LOT OF DIFFERENT CASES AND DIFFERENT PEOPLE INVOLVED IN 2652

DIFFERENT SITUATIONS AND AND YOUR EXPERIENCE JUST A RANGE OF 2653

DIFFERENT EMOTIONS OK? 2654

JP: YEAH 2655

EM: AND ITS ITS IS WHAT I WANTED TO EXPLAIN TO YOU IS ITS DIFFICULT FOR 2656

ME BECAUSE I JUST IM TRYING TO HELP UM YOU KNOW WHOEVER IT IS 2657

THAT IM IM TRYING TO HELP AND IN THIS PARTICULAR CASE IM TRYING 2658

HELP SUSAN 2659

JP: YEAH 2660

EM: IM TRYING TO HELP YOU AND YOU KNOW CAUSE WE NEED TO FIND HER. 2661

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JP: OK 2662

EM: YOU KNOW WHAT IM SAYING 2663

JP: YEAH I KNOW 2664

EM: AND I MEAN I WISH I COULD SIT HERE AND CRY WITH YOU AND I HAVE TO 2665

CONTROL MY EMOTIONS 2666

JP: IM TRYIN (INAUDIBLE) 2667

EM: AND… 2668

JP: I KNOW IT’S… 2669

EM: YOU KNOW WHAT IM SAYING? 2670

JP: YEAH…IF I KNOW…. 2671

EM: AND YOU KNOW I I MEAN IF YOU WANT TO TAKE OFF YOU CAN TAKE OFF. 2672

IM NOT YOU KNOW I… 2673

JP: I I DON’T EXPECT YOU GUYS TO CRY WITH ME… 2674

EM: YOU KNOW AND I JUST 2675

JP: THAT’S THAT’S WHAT FAMILY IS FOR 2676

EM: OK ALRIGHT UM YOU KNOW I JUST WANT A I WAS KIND OF HOPING THAT 2677

TODAY WE COULD GET A LITTLE BIT FURTHER AND COME UP WITH SOME 2678

MORE IDEAS AS TO WHERE TO LOOK YOU KNOW WHAT IM SAYING? 2679

YOU’VE I MEAN I TALKED TO YOU LAST NIGHT AND WE REALLY DIDN’T 2680

CO…WE DIDN T WE CAME UP WITH ABSOLUTELY NOTHING TO LOOK FOR 2681

TO LOOK TO LOOK WHERE TO LOOK FOR HER OTHER THEN PEOPLE THAT 2682

YOU KNOW IVE ALREADY SPOKEN TO AND I WAS HOPING THAT WITH YOU 2683

BEING HOME AND YOU YOU KNOW GETTING A LITTLE TINY BIT OF REST 2684

AND A COMIN BACK TODAY… 2685

JP: YEAH I GOT (INAUDIBLE) 2686

EM: WOULD BE ABLE TO OFFER YOU KNOW ME AND THIS DEPARTMENT AND 2687

AND ALL THESE OTHER PEOPLE THAT ARE OUT THERE TO TRY TO FIND 2688

OUT WHERE TO LOOK FOR HER. OK AND WE HAVENT GOTTEN THERE 2689

TODAY… 2690

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JP: I JUST… 2691

EM: YOU KNOW I TRY TO COME IN AND TALK WITH YOU A LITTLE BIT ABOUT 2692

WHO YOU ARE AND WHAT YOUR ABOUT AND WHAT SUSAN IS AND WHAT 2693

SHES ABOUT AND WHAT SHE LIKES AND YOURS GUY’S RELATIONSHIP 2694

AND UM HER FRIENDS AND YOU KNOW HER ENEMIES AND HER WORK 2695

AND YOUR WORK TRYIN… 2696

JP: LIKE IM SAID SHE FILES COMPLAINTS AGAINST PEOPLE IF THERES A 2697

PROBLEM. 2698

EM: YEAH 2699

JP: LIKE A DOG A CAT OR A… 2700

EM: OK 2701

JP: WHATEVER IT IS BUT I DON’T THINK THAT THERE…. 2702

EM: YEAH 2703

JP: THERE NOT EVEN SUPPOSE TO KNOW WHO COMPLAINED YOU KNOW… 2704

EM: WAS SHE INTO DRUGS AT ALL? ILLICIT DRUGS… 2705

JP: IVE NEVER… 2706

EM: COCAINE, MARIJUANA STUFF LIKE THAT…. 2707

JP: IVE IVE NEVER KNOWN HER TO DO ANYTHING… 2708

EM: I WOULDN’T THINK SO EITHER BUT YOU KNOW THAT’S JUST ONE OF THE 2709

QUESTIONS THAT I DIDN’T ASK YOU KNOW WHAT I MEAN? 2710

JP: YEAH AND I… 2711

EM: I MEAN IM JUST TRYING TO… 2712

JP: IVE NEVER NOTICED ANYTHING OUT OF THE USUAL. 2713

EM: OK WHAT UM A I MEAN LIKE I SAID WE HAVENT A WE HAVENT REALLY 2714

GOTTEN ANYWHERE WILL A… 2715

JP: WELL I KNOW… 2716

EM: WITH LOCATIONS TO CHECK AND STUFF WHAT A WHAT DO YOU WHAT 2717

HAVE YOU THOUGHT OF? 2718

JP: I JUST CAN’T THINK OF ANYWHERE SHE WOULD GO IN THE MORNING… 2719

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EM: OTHER THEN TO WORK? 2720

JP: YEAH I MEAN 2721

EM: OK WHO SHOULD I BE LOOKING AT? DO YOU THINK SOMEBODY I MEAN IS 2722

THERE SOMEBODY I NEED TO LOOK AT MAYBE UM I MEAN WHAT WHAT 2723

DO YOU… 2724

JP: I JUST I DON’T THINK SHE HAS ENEMIES 2725

EM: LET’S LET’S DO THIS…YEAH 2726

JP: YOU KNOW… 2727

EM: LETS HOW BOUT THIS QUESTION…UM YOU’VE HAD A SIGNIFICANT 2728

AMOUNT TIME TO SIT AND THINK ABOUT THIS RIGHT? I MEAN WHEN DID 2729

WE SEE EACH OTHER YESTERDAY ABOUT SIX O’CLOCK? 2730

JP: UM HUH YEAH 2731

EM: UM AND ITS YOU KNOW IN THE AFTERNOON NOW? 2732

JP: YEAH 2733

EM: WHAT WHATS GOING THROUGH YOUR MIND WHAT DO YOU WHAT DO 2734

YOU THINK? WHAT HAS CROSSED YOUR MIND? WHAT DO YOU THINK HAS 2735

HAPPENED TO HER? I NEED YOU TO TELL ME WHAT YOU THINK HAS 2736

HAPPENED TO HER? 2737

JP: I DON’T THINK SHE WOULD LEAVE ON HER OWN. 2738

EM: OK THAT’S A START YOU DON’T THINK SHE WOULD LEAVE ON HER OWN. 2739

WHAT DO YOU WHAT DO YOU THINK HAS HAPPENED? 2740

JP: I JUST DON’T KNOW I MEAN YOU KNOW YOU CAN SIT AND SPECULATE 2741

BUT I DON’T HAVE ANY CLUE… 2742

EM: OK WHAT DO YOU THINK IM SPECULATING? 2743

JP I I DON’T KNOW… 2744

EM: WELL SOMETHING MUST HAVE CROSSED YOUR MIND FOR YOU TO SAY 2745

THAT TO ME. 2746

JP: WELL YOU GUYS YOU KNOW I MEAN IT’S A FACT YOU KNOW THE CLOSEST 2747

PEOPLE TO A PERSON IS ALWAYS THE TOP SUSPECTS SO… 2748

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EM: OK THERE NOT SUSPECTS I MEAN YOU HAVE TO I MEAN THERE HAS TO BE 2749

SOME TYPE OF INVOLVEMENT TO BE SUSPECT I MEAN A MAYBE I MEAN 2750

SO IT’S NOT ALWAYS LIKE THAT BUT WE GOTTA START IF IF YOU WERE 2751

ON MY SIDE OK LETS LET’S DO THIS REAL QUICK… 2752

JP: K 2753

EM: IF YOUR SITTIN WHERE I AM AND IM SITTIN WHERE YOU ARE… 2754

JP: OK 2755

EM: OK AND MY WIFE IS MISSING OK 2756

JP: YEAH 2757

EM: WHO IS THE VERY FIRST PERSON AND WHO IS TO THAT PERSON GONNA BE 2758

THAT YOUR GONNA SPEND THE MOST TIME WITH TRYING TO GET AS 2759

MUCH INFORMATION FROM? 2760

JP: PROBABLY THE CLOSEST ONES. 2761

EM: THE CLOSEST ONES TO THEM? 2762

JP: YEAH 2763

EM: OK AND IF IM MARRIED WHO WOULD BE THE CLOSEST… 2764

JP: YEAH I 2765

EM: ONE TO ME? 2766

JP: IM IM PROBABLY THE CLOSEST ONE… 2767

EM: WOULD IT BE THE SPOUSE OR WOULD IT BE THE PARENTS? 2768

JP: I WOULD GO THE SPOUSE… 2769

EM: OK ALRIGHT CAUSE IM GUESSIN YOU DON’T SPEND A WHOLE LOT OF TIME 2770

WITH HER MOM RIGHT? AND WOULD YOU IF YOU LIVED NEXT DOOR TO 2771

THEM? 2772

JP: YEAH YEAH WE WOULD ACTUALLY 2773

EM: OK 2774

JP: I MEAN SHES KIND KIND OF HARD TO DEAL WITH BUT… 2775

EM: WHO DO YOU SPEND MORE TIME WITH? 2776

JP: SHES SHES OK YOU KNOW BUT UM… 2777

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EM: YEAH NO I KNOW I KNOW BUT… 2778

JP: BUT YOU KNOW IT’S… 2779

EM: WHO WOULD YOU SPEND MORE TIME WITH YOUR WIFE OR YOUR MOM? 2780

YOUR MOM LIVES HERE… 2781

JP: HMMM…MY WIFE 2782

EM: YOUR WIFE…OK HOW BOUT YOUR SISTER OR YOUR WIFE? 2783

JP: OH IT’S THE SAME SAME SAME 2784

EM: OK SO 2785

JP: I MEAN 2786

EM: SO I DON’T WANT YOU… 2787

JP: I DON’T I DON’T HAVE ANY FRIENDS THAT I WOULD SPEND MORE TIME 2788

WITH OR ANYTHING. 2789

EM: OK 2790

JP: I MEAN WORK MAYBE BUT HEY THAT’S WORK YOU KNOW… 2791

EM: (INAUDIBLE) 2792

JP: (INAUDIBLE) 2793

EM: OK HAVE I TOLD YOU THAT YOU’RE A SUSPECT? 2794

JP: WELL I JUST FELT LIKE THAT A FEW TIMES. 2795

EM: HAS IT FELT LIKE THAT A FEW WHAT WHAT DO YOU MEAN WHATS WHATS 2796

MADE YOU FEEL LIKE THAT? 2797

JP: ITS (INAUDIBLE) WHEN YOU KEEP YOU KNOW YOUR TELLING ME THAT 2798

THIS… 2799

EM: I TOOK PHOTOS (INAUDIBLE) PHOTOS OF YOUR HANDS ONE TIME. 2800

JP: WELL I THOUGHT YOU WERE IMPLYING YOU’RE YOUR SAYING YOU KNOW 2801

YOU REALLY MADE A BIG DEAL OUT OF THIS… 2802

EM: BY ASKING YOU WHERE YOU GOT A NICK ON YOUR HAND? 2803

JP: I THOUGHT YOU WERE TRYING TO SAY I GOT SOME KIND OF DEFENSIVE 2804

WOUNDS YOU KNOW 2805

EM: I NEVER SAID THAT THOUGH DID I? 2806

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JP: IT SEEMED IMPLIED. 2807

EM OK BUT ALL I DID WAS INQUIRED ABOUT A NICK ON YOUR HAND AND 2808

(INAUDIBLE) KINDA GET UM YOU KNOW I MEAN YOU’VE BEEN WORRIED 2809

ABOUT THAT EVER SINCE WE GOT HERE TODAY YOU WANT ME TO TAKE 2810

PHOTOS AGAIN OF YOUR HANDS? 2811

JP: I KINDA DO. 2812

EM: OK WELL… 2813

JP: CAUSE 2814

EM: A WHAT DOES (INAUDIBLE) 2815

JP: I WANT TO HAVE BOTH PHOTOS AVAILABLE YOU KNOW? 2816

EM: WELL WHAT DOES IT TELL YOU I MEAN I HAVENT CAME IN HERE WITH A 2817

CAMERA I HAVENT EVEN WORRIED ABOUT YOUR HANDS BUT YOUR STILL 2818

WORRYING ABOUT. 2819

JP: WELL I JUST WANT MY SECOND PHOTOS YOU KNOW BECAUSE I WAS JUST 2820

TO PROVE THAT THERE THEY DO IT ON THERE OWN. 2821

EM: WELL AND THAT’S… 2822

JP: I MEAN THIS STUFF YOU KNOW SOME OF THESE IF I DON’T TAKE CARE OF 2823

IT FAST ENOUGH. 2824

EM: YEAH 2825

JP: IT JUST GETS WORSE AND WORSE… 2826

EM: AND I UNDERSTAND 2827

JP: AND THEN CHUNKS FALL OUT… 2828

EM: YEAH I UNDERSTAND THAT… 2829

JP: IM AMAZED THAT THIS ONE… 2830

EM: MY BROTHER GETS REALLY DI…REALLY DRY SKIN AS WELL SO I I 2831

UNDERSTAND… 2832

JP: THAT’S A THAT’S A CHUNK A VERY SMALL CHUNK THERES TWO…I MEAN 2833

I DON’T FEEL EM YOU KNOW? 2834

EM: RIGHT 2835

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JP: I MEAN I DO IF I IM SURE I WOULD IF I POURED ALCOHOL ON THEM BUT… 2836

EM: YEAH 2837

JP: I DON’T FEEL EM SO I DON’T KNOW WHEN THERE COMING… 2838

EM: OK UM 2839

JP: AND LIKE I SAY IVE ONLY BEEN LOOKIN AT IT IN THE LAST DAY 2840

EM: YEAH 2841

JP: AND ACTUALLY PAYING ATTENTION 2842

EM: WHO SHOULD I LOOK AT AS A SUSPECT? 2843

JP: I DON’T I CAN’T THINK OF ANYONE WHO’S… 2844

EM: YOU CANT THINK OF ANYONE? 2845

JP: MAD AT HER? 2846

EM: WHO SHOULD I LOOK AT AS A PERSON OF INTEREST? WHO SHOULD I 2847

START TALKING TO JUST AS MUCH AS IVE BEEN TALKING TO YOU? WHO 2848

SHOULD I TALK TO THAT MUCH? CAUSE YOUR SAYIN THAT YOU KNOW 2849

YOUR CONCERNED BECAUSE WEVE BEEN TALKING TO YOU FOR SO LONG 2850

UM… 2851

JP: NO THAT’S NOT MY CONCERNS 2852

EM: BUT I MEAN OH OK 2853

JP: IT’S ONLY… 2854

EM: CAUSE MY PERCEPTION IS IM TRYIN TO GET AS MUCH INFORMATION AS I 2855

CAN GET AND YOU KNOW I GET UP I LEAVE I GO OUT AND I SHARE 2856

INFORMATION IF THERES ANY NEW INFORMATION OK HE STATES THAT 2857

SHE WORKS HERE THER…YOU KNOW LETS GET AHOLD OF LINDA LETS 2858

SEE IF LINDA MAY HAVE HEARD FROM HER YOU KNOW WHAT IM SAYIN I 2859

MEAN WHAT A ARE YOU CONCERNED AS FAR…I WHAT WHATS YOUR 2860

THOUGHTS ON WHAT WERE DOING TO FIND HER? YOU HAVENT EVEN 2861

INQUIRED AS TO WHAT… 2862

JP: I (INAUDIBLE) WHAT YOU WOULD DO EXCEPT I A I I (INAUDIBLE)…. 2863

EM: WE HAVE WHAT WERE DOING 2864

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JP: I KNOW THAT YOU ALREADY TOLD ME THAT YOU CHECKED THE 2865

HOSPITALS. 2866

EM: UM HUH 2867

JP: AND YOU’VE TALK TO EVERYONE WE KNOW AND WHAT ELSE DO YOU 2868

DO? 2869

EM: WELL I MEAN I DON’T KNOW THAT WE’VE TALKED TO EVERYBODY UM I 2870

MEAN THAT’S WHY YOU KNOW WERE TALKING AGAIN NOW JUST TO SEE 2871

IF THERES ANY OTHER NAMES AND… 2872

JP: AND I OCCASSIONALLY THINK OF A NEW NAME BUT 2873

EM: OK 2874

JP: I PROB…I COULD THINK OF MORE. 2875

EM: OK HOW BOUT A THE NEIGHBORHOOD IS THERE ANYBODY IN THE IN THE 2876

CIRCLE IN THE NEIGHBOR… 2877

JP: UM (INAUDIBLE)… 2878

EM: (INAUDIBLE) THAT THAT ARE CONCERNS OR OR PEOPLE THAT WE SHOULD 2879

CONCERNED ABOUT? 2880

JP: NO NO NO SUSPECTS 2881

EM: OK ALRIGHT 2882

JP: THERE THE I THINK WERE FRIENDS WITH EVERYONE IN THE 2883

NEIGHBORHOOD 2884

EM: OK AND OBVIOUSLY WE KNOW NOBODY BROKE INTO THE HOUSE. 2885

JP: WELL THE WINDOW WAS BROKEN OUT IM JUST KIDDING. 2886

EM: BESIDES THE COPS TO MAKE SURE YOU WERE ALRIGHT AND YOUR 2887

FAMILY. 2888

JP: YEAH 2889

EM: RIGHT BUT AS FAR AS ANYBODY ELSE GOING IN AND BREAKING IN THERE 2890

AND GR…STEALING ANYTHING OR A… 2891

JP: I DIDN’T SEE ANYTHING STOLEN 2892

EM: CREATING YEAH OR OR CAUSING A MESS IF THERE WAS A FIGHT OR A 2893

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DISTURBANCE THERE WAS NOTHING RIGHT? I MEAN WE WALKED 2894

THROUGH THE HOUSE. UM I DIDN’T WALK THROUGH WITH YOU 2895

SERGEANT BOBROWSKI DID WAS THERE UM YOU DON’T I THINK BOTH OF 2896

YOU SAID THERE WAS NOTHING OUT OF PLACE NOTHING MISSING RIGHT? 2897

JP: I MEAN YEAH NOTHING 2898

EM: OK 2899

JP: NOTHING SIGNIFICANT WAS MISSING 2900

EM: OK UM AND THERES NOBODY OF CONCERN IN THE NEIGHBORHOOD. HOW 2901

BOUT AT HER WORK PLACE? IS WOULD THERE BE ANYBODY AT HER 2902

WORK PLACE THAT THAT SHES HAD PROBLEMS WITH? 2903

JP: UM THERES A DUDE SHE HATES. 2904

EM: OK WHATS HIS NAME? 2905

JP: SHE…I DON’T KNOW 2906

EM: OH ALRIGHT 2907

JP: UM… 2908

EM: WHAT HAS SHE SAID ABOUT THIS PERSON TO YOU? 2909

JP: HES ANNOYING 2910

EM: YEAH 2911

JP: AND THAT HES A I DON’T REMEMBER EVERYTHING THAT SHE SAID ABOUT 2912

EM: OK ALRIGHT HOW BOUT IN CHURCH… 2913

JP: UM… 2914

EM: IS THERE ANYBODY IN CHURCH THAT SHES HAD PROBLEMS WITH? 2915

JP: A…I DON’T THINK SO… 2916

EM: YOU DON’T THINK SO? 2917

JP: I CAN’T THINK OF ANYONE 2918

EM: ALRIGHT 2919

JP: I MEAN SHE JUST THINKS THE GUYS ANNOYING BECAUSE HES ARROGANT 2920

AND STUFF YOU KNOW? 2921

EM: RIGHT 2922

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JP: SO ITS I JUST DON’T THINK ITS. SHES NEVER SAID THAT HES DONE 2923

ANYTHING MEAN TO HER EXCEPT DISREGARD HER FEELINGS YOU KNOW? 2924

EM: UM HUH UM HUH OK UM…ALRIGHT IS THERE UM HOW HOW I MEAN YOU 2925

KNOW YOU HOW WILLING ARE YOU TO HELP US WITH THIS 2926

INVESTIGATION AND TO FIND HER? 2927

JP: WELL I IM WILLING TO DO WHATEVER I CAN THINK OF 2928

EM: OK WILLING TO DO WHATEVER YOU CAN DO TO HELP US? 2929

JP: WHAT WHAT DO YOU HAVE IN MIND? 2930

EM: WELL I HAVE A COUPLE OF IDEAS A COUPLE OF THINGS I MEAN 2931

OBVIOUSLY SHES MISSING DO YOU THINK DO YOU THINK HER HER UM DO 2932

YOU THINK SHES AT RIST OF ANY HARM? DO YOU THINK SHE HER HER 2933

SAFETY’S AT RISK I MEAN DO YOU THINK HER WELL BEING… 2934

JP: I JUST 2935

EM: I MEAN WHAT DO YOU THINK HER WELL BEING IS RIGHT NOW? 2936

JP: IM GOING TO THINK POSSIBLY NOT GOOD 2937

EM: OK ALRIGHT WHAT WOULD LEAD YOU TO BELIEVE THAT? 2938

JP: SHE JUST DOESN’T LEAVE 2939

EM: SHE DOESN’T EVER LEAVE? SHES NEVER THE KIDS. SHES NEVER LEFT 2940

YOU? SHES NEVER NOT SHOWN UP AT WORK? 2941

JP: NO 2942

EM: OK AND… 2943

JP: SHES CALL…SHE’LL CALL IN IF SHES NOT SHOWIN UP AND… 2944

EM: RIGHT 2945

JP: SHE DIDN’T CALL IN THE MORNING OF IF SHE HAS TO YOU KNOW? 2946

EM: OK AND SHE HASN’T CALLED ANYBODY? THAT WE ARE AWARE OF RIGHT? 2947

JP: I I DON’T KNOW OF ANYONE SHE CALLED 2948

EM: OK ALRIGHT UM AND THAT CONCERNS ME BECAUSE OUTSIDE OF THAT 2949

THINK WITH ME JOSH OUTSIDE OF THAT WHERE DO WE HAVE TO GO TO 2950

LOOK FOR HER TO GET ANY ADDITIONAL INFORMATION? ANY 2951

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ADDITIONAL LEADS TO FOLLOW UP ON? 2952

JP: I JUST DON’T KNOW 2953

EM: OK ALRIGHT UM I REALLY REALLY NEED YOUR HELP OK? 2954

JP: K 2955

EM: I REALLY DO ALRIGHT JUST AS MUCH AS YOU NEED MY HELP ALRIGHT? 2956

AND YOU KNOW WE NEED TO TO DO THIS TOGETHER 2957

JP: K 2958

EM: DON’T WE? 2959

JP: YEAH I THINK SO 2960

EM: I THINK SO TO AND WE NEED TO TO UM GET SOME CLOSURE AND FIND 2961

OUT WHERE SHES AT ALRIGHT? UM YOU DO NOT KNOW WHERE SHES AT? 2962

JP: UH HUH 2963

EM: OK UM THERES A COUPLE OF THINGS THAT I WANT TO DO 2964

JP: OK 2965

EM: ALRIGHT AND THIS WILL HELP US BOTH ALRIGHT? 2966

JP: ALRIGHT 2967

EM: UM AND THIS KINDA GOES BACK TO WHAT I ASKED YOU JUST A FEW 2968

MINUTES AGO ABOUT HOW WILLING YOU ARE TO HELP US. OK? UM DO YOU 2969

CONSIDER YOURSELF A SUSPECT? 2970

JP: NO BUT… 2971

EM: K 2972

JP: YOU KNOW 2973

EM: NO THAT’S NO THAT’S IT YOU DON’T NEED TO ELABORATE YOU DON’T 2974

CONSIDER YOURSELF A SUSPECT YOU SAY THAT RIGHT? 2975

JP: WELL I DON’T I MEAN THE FACTS WILL SPEAK FOR THEMSELVES SO I 2976

DON’T THINK 2977

EM: THANK YOU EXACTLY AND YOUR RIGHT I MEAN THERE HAS TO BE FACTS 2978

THERE HAS TO BE EVIDENCE CORRECT?R 2979

JP: (MUMBLING) 2980

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EM: K I CAN’T JUST TAKE ANYBODY AND CHARGE THEM FOR ANYTHING AND 2981

GET AWAY WITH IT. 2982

JP: OK 2983

EM: RIGHT? 2984

JP: RIGHT 2985

EM: IM NOT GONNA HAVE SUPERVISORS SIGN OFF ON SOMETHING WITHOUT IT 2986

BEING… 2987

JP: RIGHT 2988

EM: CHECKS AND BALANCES COURTS ALL THAT STUFF RIGHT? 2989

JP: RIGHT 2990

EM: OK SO UM SO GOING BACK TO THAT YOU DON’T CONSIDER YOURSELF A 2991

SUSPECT UM AND UM AND WE NEED TO GET THIS FIGURED OUT I HAVE 2992

OTHER QUESTIONS I HAVE A COUPLE OF OTHER QUESTIONS THAT I WANT 2993

TO ASK YOU OK? 2994

JP: OK 2995

EM: UM AND IN ORDER FOR ME TO ASK YOU THESE QUESTIONS AND THEN ASK 2996

YOU TO DO SOMETHING ELSE I HAVE TO READ YOU YOUR MIRANDA 2997

RIGHTS? 2998

JP: WHY 2999

EM: OK? THE REASON WHY IS BECAUSE IT’S A… 3000

JP: WHAT WHAT DOES THIS MEAN READ ME MY? 3001

EM: K LET LET ME EXPLAIN TO YOU. 3002

JP: IM NOT SURE WHAT YOUR GETTING AT… 3003

EM: OK LET ME EXPLAIN TO YOU OK UM READING YOU MIRANDA RIGHTS DO 3004

YOU KNOW WHAT MIRANDA IS? 3005

JP: UM I MEAN YEAH ITS HAVE THE RIGHT TO REMAIN SILENT AND ALL THAT. 3006

EM: OK ALRIGHT IF YOUR BEING READ MIRANDA WHAT DOES THAT MEAN TO 3007

YOU? 3008

JP: THAT YOUR BEING ACCUSED 3009

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EM: OK I DON’T KNOW ACCUSED IS A HARSH WORD UM KIND OF A NEGATIVE 3010

WORD ISNT IT? 3011

JP: ITS I DON’T KNOW ANYTHING ELSE 3012

EM: OK YEAH UM WELL AS FAR AS MIRANDA OK IN ORDER FOR ME TO UM UM 3013

ASK YOU SOME MORE QUESTIONS AND AND ASK YOU TO DO THIS OTHER 3014

THING FOR ME I NEED TO READ YOU YOUR MIRANDA RIGHTS OK? 3015

JP: AND I DON’T… 3016

EM: AND WELL LISTEN 3017

JP: I DON’T KNOW IF IM… 3018

EM: IM NOT LOOK IM NOT GONNA TAKE YOU TO JAIL IM NOT ARRESTING YOU 3019

OK? IM NOT ARRESTING YOU IM NOT TAKING YOU TO JAIL RIGHT? 3020

JP: K 3021

EM: ALRIGHT? SO I MEAN I HAVE QUESTIONS I HAVE QUESTIONS ABOUT THE 3022

UM UM UM I WANT TO ASK YOU ABOUT THE CELL PHONE OK? AND WE 3023

KINDA CHIT CHATTED ABOUT THAT LAST BUT I REALLY NEVER GOT A 3024

CLEAR ANSWER FROM YOU AS TO WHY YOU HAD THE C…. 3025

JP: WELL I ALREADY TOLD YOU THAT I WAS ASKING HER FOR A PHONE 3026

NUMBER… 3027

EM: OK 3028

JP: AND SHE SAID GO GET IT YOURSELF 3029

EM: OK 3030

JP: ON HER PHONE 3031

EM: ALRIGHT 3032

JP: AND I JUST DID…EVENTUALLY PUT THINGS IN POCKETS YOU KNOW 3033

AND… 3034

EM: ALRIGHT 3035

JP: AND ONCE I REALIZED IT WAS THERE I WASN’T HOME SO… 3036

EM: OK WELL LIKE I SAID 3037

JP: I DISTINCTIVELY JUST PUT IT IN THE TRAY BUT I DON’T EVEN THINK 3038

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ABOUT I MEAN WHEN IM A WHEN IM CAMPING.. 3039

EM: OK 3040

JP: OR OUT THERE WHERE IM NOT GONNA NEED IT… 3041

EM: ALRIGHT 3042

JP: ILL TAKE OUT EVERYTHING FROM MY POCKETS JUST SO IT ISNT GONNA 3043

FALL 3044

EM: OK 3045

JP: AND GET LOST YOU KNOW 3046

EM: UM I WANNA I WANNA TALK TO YOU 3047

JP: AND THAT INCLUDES WALLETS 3048

EM: OK ALRIGHT 3049

JP: EVERYTHING 3050

EM: OK YOUR NOT UNDER ARREST YOUR NOT GOING TO JAIL OK? 3051

JP: OK 3052

EM: IM NOT GONNA CUFF YOU UP ALRIGHT AND LIKE I SAID AGAIN YOUR NOT 3053

UNDER ARREST YOU CAME HERE ON YOUR FREE WILL YOU CAN LEAVE AT 3054

ANYTIME YOU ALREADY KNEW THAT YOU STILL KNOW THAT RIGHT? 3055

ALTHOUGH I WANT TO ASK YOU MORE SPECIFIC QUESTIONS AND UM AND 3056

I WANT TO SEE IF IF YOU SAY THAT YOUR WILLING TO HELP US OUT THEN 3057

WHAT DO WE NEED TO DO? WE NEED TO ELIMINATE YOU AS BEING A 3058

PERSON OF INTEREST THERES NOBODY ELSE OUT THERE FOR ME TO GO 3059

AND TALK TO AND TO CLARIFY SO I NEED TO CLARIFY YOUR STORY I 3060

NEED TO VERIFY STORY. 3061

JP: I GUESS… 3062

EM: RIGHT? 3063

JP: I GUESS AT THAT POINT THEN I NEED TO… 3064

EM: SO I NEED TO VERIFY 3065

JP: I PROBABLY NEED TO CONSIDER A LAWYER… 3066

EM: SO I NEED TO VERI…OK WELL AND IF THAT’S THE CASE THEN THAT JUST 3067

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IS GONNA PROLONG THE UM WELL WHATEVER IM IM JUST WHAT IM 3068

GONNA DO IS IM GONNA READ YOU YOUR RIGHTS OK? 3069

JP: WELL IVE TOLD YOU EVERYTHING THAT I KNOW… 3070

EM: OK ALRIGHT LISTEN IM GONNA TELL YA A COUPLE THINGS OK? 3071

JP: OK 3072

EM: UM IM GONNA READ YOU YOUR RIGHTS OK? WE HAVE YOUR HO…WE 3073

HAVE YOUR HOUSE YOUR NOT GONNA BE ABLE TO GO BACK TO YOUR 3074

HOUSE K? 3075

JP: WHAT WHAT DO YOU MEAN IM NOT (INAUDIBLE) 3076

EM: YOUR HOUSE YOUR HOUSE IS OURS FOR RIGHT NOW WERE NOT GONNA 3077

LET YOU BACK IN TO THAT HOUSE. 3078

JP: OK 3079

EM: YOUR CAR IS OURS WERE NOT GONNA LET YOU HAVE YOUR CAR OK? WE 3080

NEED TO FIND HER RIGHT? 3081

JP: YEAH 3082

EM: ISNT THAT WHAT YOUR GOAL IS? I WOULD HOPE THAT OUR GOALS ARE 3083

THE SAME RIGHT? 3084

JP: YEAH 3085

EM: OK THE HOUSE IS OURS THE CAR IS OURS UM YOU KNOW WERE GONNA 3086

WE NEED TO FIND HER ALRIGHT? IM GONNA READ YOU YOUR MIRANDA 3087

RIGHTS IF YOU DON’T WANT… 3088

JP: HOW LONG? 3089

EM: HOW LONG? 3090

JP: HOW LONG ARE YOU GOING TO… 3091

EM: HOW HOWEVER LONG IT TAKES 3092

JP: WHAT THERE THERE SEARCHING IT OR SOMETHING? 3093

EM: HUH? 3094

JP: I I DON’T UNDERSTAND… 3095

EM: IM GONNA WRITE A SEARCH WARRANT FOR YOUR HOUSE. 3096

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JP: OK 3097

EM: IM GONNA WRITE A SEARCH WARRANT FOR YOUR HOUSE AND UM YOU 3098

KNOW MAYBE FOR YOUR CAR I DON’T KNOW I HAVENT YET DECIDED ON 3099

THE CAR AND STUFF BUT LIKE I SAID IS WHAT I WANT TO DO IS WE WE 3100

NEED TO FIND HER OK? AND IF YOUR WILLING TO HELP US OUT GREAT 3101

AND IF YOUR NOT THEN THAT’S FINE AS WELL… 3102

JP: IF YOU GUYS WANT TO SEARCH THE HOUSE… 3103

EM: OK 3104

JP: AND STUFF I I DON’T CARE 3105

EM: OK LET ME READ YOU YOUR RIGHTS. YOU HAVE THE RIGHT TO REMAIN 3106

SILENT ANYTHING YOU SAY CAN AND WILL BE USED AGAINST YOU IN THE 3107

COURT OF LAW. YOU HAVE THE RIGHT TO A LAWYER AND HAVE HIM 3108

PRESENT WITH YOU WHILE YOUR BEING QUESTIONED IF YOU CANNOT 3109

AFFORD TO HIRE A LAWYER ONE WILL BE APPOINTED TO REPRESENT YOU 3110

BEFORE ANY QUESTIONING IF YOU WISH. YOU CAN DECIDE AT ANYTIME 3111

TO EXERCISE THESE RIGHTS AND NOT ANSWER ANY QUESTIONS OR MAKE 3112

ANY STATEMENTS. DO YOU UNDERSTAND THOSE RIGHTS THAT I HAVE 3113

JUST READ TO YOU AND EXPLAINED TO YOU JOSH? 3114

JP: YEAH 3115

EM: OK AND HAVING THESE RIGHTS IN MIND DO YOU WISH TO TALK FURTHER 3116

WITH ME UM IN REGARDS TO THIS INVESTIGATION? 3117

JP: WELL WHAT ABOUT MY KIDS WHERE ARE THEY AT? 3118

EM: WHERE YOU LEFT THEM…YOU LEFT THEM WITH YOUR MOM RIGHT? 3119

JP: YEAH 3120

EM: K SO I MEAN WE CAN CONTINUE ON I MEAN WE CAN GO INTO THOSE 3121

QUESTIONS I HAVE TO READ YOU THESE RIGHTS. 3122

JP: WELL I MEAN YOU GUYS CAN COME… 3123

EM: OK SO I KNOW LISTEN JOSH I HAVE TO READ YOU THESE RIGHTS… 3124

JP: IM NOT TRYING TO HIDE ANYTHING SO 3125

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EM: THEN I NEED YOU TO ANSWER THE QUESTIONS OK? YOU SAID THAT YOU 3126

UNDERSTAND THE RIGHTS THAT IVE EXPLAINED TO YOU 3127

JP: OK 3128

EM: YES OR NO? 3129

JP: YEAH 3130

EM: OK AND HAVING THESE RIGHTS IN MIND DO YOU WISH TO TALK TO ME 3131

NOW? WITHOUT HAVING A LAWYER PRESENT? 3132

JP: WHAT IS…I DON’T UNDERSTAND HOW YOU CAN GET ANYMORE SPECIFIC. 3133

EM: OK 3134

JP: YOU KNOW? 3135

EM: DO LET ME EXPLAIN TO YOU OK? LET ME EXPLAIN SOMETHING TO YOU 3136

CAUSE SOMETIMES PEOPLE KINDA GET MISS STEPPED ON THIS 3137

PARTICULAR A STATEMENT OK I READ YOU LET ME READ THESE 3138

THROUGH YEAH OK ON NUMBER FIVE ALRIGHT SEE THIS LITTLE CARD I 3139

HAVE? THESE ARE YOUR MIRANDA RIGHTS THIS IS WHAT I JUST READ TO 3140

YOU OK? 3141

JP: OK 3142

EM: ON NUMBER FIVE IT STATES YOU CAN DECIDE AT ANYTIME TO EXERCISE 3143

THESE RIGHTS AND NOT ANSWER ANY QUESTIONS OR MAKE ANY 3144

STATEMENTS 3145

JP: OK 3146

EM: K DO YOU UNDERSTAND THAT? 3147

JP: OK 3148

EM: ALRIGHT UM SO WITH YOUR MIRANDA RIGHTS WITH WHAT I HAVE READ 3149

TO YOU. OK? WITH THE UNDERSTANDING YOU CAN STOP TALKING AT 3150

ANYTIME LIKE I SAID IM NOT UM HANDCUFFING YOU IM NOT TAKING YOU 3151

DOWN TO JAIL ALRIGHT I JUST WANT TO UM ASK YOU SOME MORE 3152

SPECIFIC QUESTIONS AND ASK YOU TO DO A COUPLE OF OTHER THINGS 3153

FOR ME OK? SO IN ORDER FOR ME TO FOR US TO CONTINUE TO WORK AT 3154

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THIS AND TRY TO FIND A RESOLUTION I HAVE TO READ YOU THESE 3155

RIGHTS OK? THAT’S ALL IT IS. ALRIGHT, IF YOU IF WERE TALKING AND 3156

YOU DECIDE YOU WANT A LAWYER OR YOU WANT TO NOT TALK TO ME 3157

ANYMORE THEN WILL STOP TALKING. OK? 3158

JP: I I I JUST… 3159

EM: AND SO… 3160

JP: I MEAN 3161

EM: SO DO YOU WANT ME TO READ THIS TO YOU AGAIN SO THAT YOU 3162

UNDERSTAND? 3163

JP: NO I MEAN IVE HEARD IT ON T.V. AND STUFF YOU KNOW? 3164

EM: OK BUT THE IMPORTANT THING JOSH IS RIGHT NOW I DON’T REALLY CARE 3165

IF YOU’VE HEARD IT ON T.V. OR HOW THEY SAY IT ON T.V. THE 3166

IMPORTANT THING IS RIGHT NOW OK SO DO YOU WANT ME TO READ IT TO 3167

YOU AGAIN AND YOU CAN ANSWER MY ANSWER MY QUESTIONS? LETS 3168

DO THAT LET ME READ THROUGH IT YOU ANSWER MY QUESTIONS YES OR 3169

NO I DON’T WANT YOU ASKING ME QUESTIONS OK? UNTIL AFTER… 3170

JP: WELL I GUESS (INAUDIBLE) 3171

EM: (INAUDIBLE) UNTIL AFTER DONE TILL WERE FINISHED WITH THIS… 3172

JP: WELL LETS SEE IF… 3173

EM: SO LET ME READ YOU THIS… 3174

JP: I I DON’T KNOW I MEAN IM… 3175

EM: K LISTEN… 3176

JP: (INAUDIBLE) 3177

EM: YOU HAVE THE RIGHT TO REMAIN SILENT ANYTHING YOU SAY CAN AND 3178

WILL BE USED AGAINST YOU IN A COURT OF LAW YOU HAVE THE RIGHT 3179

TO A LAWYER AND HAVE HIM PRESENT WITH YOU WHILE YOU ARE BEING 3180

QUESTIONED IF YOU CANNOT AFFOR TO HIRE A LAWYER ONE WILL BE 3181

APPOINTED TO REPRESENT YOU BEFORE ANY QUESIONING IF YOU WISH. 3182

JOSH YOU CAN DECIDE AT ANYTIME TO EXERCISE THESE RIGHTS AND NOT 3183

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ANSWER ANY QUESTIONS OR MAKE ANY STATEMENTS. DO YOU 3184

UNDERSTAND EACH OF THESE RIGHTS IVE EXPLAINED TO YOU JOSH? 3185

JP: YEAH 3186

EM: OK AND HAVING THESE RIGHTS IN MIND JOSH DO YOU WISH TO TALK TO 3187

ME FURTHER ABOUT THIS INVESTIGATION? IT’S YES OR NO? 3188

JP: I DON’T KNOW IF IM READY TO DO THAT. 3189

EM: IT’S YES OR NO? 3190

JP: (INAUDIBLE) 3191

EM: IT’S YES OR NO? DO YOU WANT TO HAVE A MINUTE TO THINK ABOUT IT? 3192

JP: NO I WAS YOU KNOW I WAS ALREADY A LITTLE BIT CONCERNED 3193

EM: WELL IM CONCERNED ABOUT YOUR WIFE NOT BEING AROUND. SO LET ME 3194

STEP OUT FOR A SECOND ILL COME BACK AND GRAB YA OK? 3195

JP: GRAB ME FOR WHAT? 3196

EM: WELL IF YOU DON’T WANT TO TALK. 3197

JP: THEN WHAT 3198

EM: THEN I GUESS YOU LEAVE 3199

JP: OK 3200

EM: I MEAN YOU COULD LEAVE ANYTIME ANYWAYS 3201

JP: I YEAH I MEAN LET ME THINK ABOUT FOR A COUPLE DAYS AND… 3202

EM: YOUR WIFE IS MISSING JOSH 3203

JP: YEAH BUT IVE ALREADY 3204

EM: AND YOU WANT TO THINK ABOUT IT FOR A COUPLE OF DAYS? 3205

JP: IVE ALREADY ANSWERED EVERYTHING AND IVE TOLD YOU I WOULD 3206

ANSWER EVERYTHING I DON’T UNDERSTAND WHY… 3207

EM: ALRIGHT ARE ARE YOU WILLING… 3208

JP: THE (INAUDIBLE) 3209

EM: TO DO A UM… 3210

DOOR OPENS……………………………………………………………………………………... 3211

EM: YO… 3212

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CM: OH SORRY ARE YOU STILL… 3213

EM: YEAH 3214

CM: ARE WE ARE WE DONE? CAN I TALK TO YOU FOR A MINUTE 3215

(INAUDIBLE) 3216

CM: CAN I TALK TO YOU FOR WE’VE BEEN TALKIN BEFORE I JUST (INAUDIBLE) 3217

JP: WELL ALRIGHT 3218

CM: LET ME TALK TO HIM FOR A MINUTE REAL QUICK 3219

EM: (MUMBLING) 3220

CM: HAVE A SEAT 3221

DOOR CLOSES…………………………………………………………………………………… 3222

CM: SORRY I HAD TO GET ON THE PHONE AND TALK TAKE CARE OF A FEW 3223

THINGS. UM WE TALKED EARLIER ABOUT YOUR CONCERNS RIGHT? 3224

JP: YEAH 3225

CM: ABOUT YOUR WIFE YOU STARTED KINDA CRYIN A LITTLE BIT TELLIN ME 3226

YOU WERE WORRIED ABOUT SOME THINGS OK UM HERES MY CONCERN 3227

OK UM YOUR KIDS YOU KNOW WHAT ABOUT YOUR KIDS RIGHT NOW? I 3228

MEAN WHAT WHAT ARE YOU GONNA TELL YOUR KIDS THERE MOM IS? 3229

JP: I DON’T KNOW 3230

CM: HAVE YOU THOUGHT ABOUT THAT? THERE GONNA ASK YOU. 3231

JP: NO I HAVENT EVEN THOUGHT ABOUT IT. 3232

CM: UM I DON’T KNOW IF HE ADVISED YOU OF YOUR RIGHTS… 3233

JP: (INAUDIBLE) HE JUST HE JUST HE JUST DID… 3234

CM: OH HE DID? 3235

JP: HE JUST… 3236

CM: OK THIS IS WHAT I WANT YOU TO UNDERSTAND ABOUT THAT OK? YOUR 3237

RIGHTS ARE JUST NOT ALL IT IS IS WHY HAVE YOU WATCHED T.V. 3238

BEFORE? 3239

JP: YEAH 3240

CM: YOU SEE THAT ON EVERY SHOW THE FIRST THING THEY DO IS ADVISE 3241

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YOU OF YOUR RIGHTS? DOES NOT MEAN ANYTHING DOES NOT MEAN 3242

THAT YOU WERE GUILTY OR ANYTHING… 3243

JP: (INAUDIBLE) 3244

CM: DOES NOT THAT YOUR BEING ACCUSED ALL THAT IT DOES IS BY LAW WE 3245

HAVE TO WE WERE REQUIRED ANYTIME WE TALK TO SOMEBODY TO 3246

ADVISE THEM OF THERE RIGHTS SO THEY UNDERSTAND THERE RIGHTS 3247

BUT AT THE SAME TIME AFTER I ADVISE YOU OF YOUR RIGHTS WHAT 3248

THAT DOES FOR ME IS THAT LETS ME KNOW THAT YOU UNDERSTAND 3249

THAT WERE JUST HAVING A CONVERSATION HERE AND YOU ARE FREE TO 3250

GO AT ANYTIME BUT FOR ME TO HELP YOU FIND YOUR WIFE… 3251

JP: TO BE HONEST THOUGH I I WAS ALREADY FEELING SICK AND… 3252

CM: K 3253

JP: IM I I JUS… 3254

CM: K LET ME ASK YOU THIS. 3255

JP: I JUST WANT TO GO. 3256

CM: YOU WANT TO GO? K LET ME ASK YOU THIS BEFORE YOU GO I WANT TO 3257

SIT HERE I WANT TO TALK TO YOU… 3258

JP: OK GO AHEAD AND ASK ONE LAST QUESTION 3259

CM: HOW AM I GONNA FIND YOUR WIFE WITHOUT YOUR HELP? 3260

JP: WELL I TOLD HIM I WAS…. 3261

DOOR OPENS…………………………………………………………………………………… 3262

EM: HEY THERES…. 3263

JP: WILLING TO HELP WITH EVERYTHING…GO AHEAD 3264

EM: WELL HAVE A SEAT YOU MIGHT WANT TO SIT DOWN FOR THIS ONE. 3265

DOOR CLOSES…………………………………………………………………………………… 3266

JP: OK 3267

EM: UM I JUST SPOKE WITH SOME OF SORRY THIS CHAIRS SCREWED UP I JUST 3268

SPOKE WITH SOME OF OUR OTHER DETECTIVES UM AND YOUR GONNA 3269

HAVE TO WAIT HERE WITH US YOUR NOT GONNA GO ANYWHERE UM ONE 3270

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OF OUR DETECTIVES JUST A INTERVIEWED YOUR CHILDREN AND A YOUR 3271

CHILDREN OUR TELLING OUR DETECTIVES THAT A MOM WENT WITH YOU 3272

GUYS LAST NIGHT AND THAT SHE DIDN’T COME BACK. 3273

JP: SHE DID NOT GO WITH US… 3274

EM: K WELL WITH THAT JUST GETTING THAT INFORMATION YOUR NOT GONNA 3275

GO ANYWHERE IM NOT GONNA LET YOU LEAVE. IM GONNA DETAIN YOU 3276

YOU SIT RIGHT HERE IF YOU WANT A LAWYER AND YOU WANT TO TALK 3277

OR YOU WANT TO CHANGE YOUR MIND AND TALK OR TAKE A CVSA TEST 3278

UM THEN WE CAN DO THOSE THINGS BUT… 3279

CM: K NOW WITH THAT IN MIND… 3280

JP: THEY KNOW THAT SHE DIDN’T GO WITH US. 3281

CM: WELL HERES THE THING KIDS KIDS ARE VERY HONEST THAT’S ONE THING 3282

IVE LEARNED IN THE YEARS OF DOING THIS JOB. THAT WHEN KIDS TALK 3283

TO US WE LISTEN BECAUSE THERE HONEST AND THEY THEY THEY THEY 3284

NEVER LIE THEY DON’T MAKE THINGS UP. SO THERE SAYIN THEY WERE 3285

WITH YOU THEY WERE WITH YOU OK? SO THAT MEANS SHE WAS WITH 3286

YOU SO I HAVE TO BELIEVE THE KIDS SO NOW ITS GONNA BE UP TO YOU IF 3287

YOU WANT TO HELP US FIND HER AND HELP US GET TO THE BOTTOM OF 3288

WHAT REALLY HAPPENED HERE. THAT’S WHAT WERE HERE FOR K WERE 3289

GONNA FIND OUT EITHER WAY WITH YOUR HELP OR WITHOUT YOUR HELP 3290

I HONESTLY DON’T NEED YOUR HELP. I FEEL I FEEL CONFIDENT ENOUGH 3291

IN MY INVESTIGATION AND HIS HIS INVESTIGATION AND EVERYBODY 3292

ELSE INVOLVED WE HAVE GREAT DETECTIVES IN THIS DEPARTMENT 3293

THAT WILL FIND OUT WHAT HAPPENED WILL GET TO THE BOTTOM OF THIS 3294

WITH YOUR HELP OR WITHOUT YOUR HELP. SO I WANT TO GIVE YOU THE 3295

OPPORTUNITY TO HELP US AND TELL US WHAT REALLY HAPPENED. CAUSE 3296

YOU’RE THE ONLY ONE THAT KNOWS. 3297

JP: THERES… THERES NOTHING THAT HAPPENED SHE WAS NOT WITH US AND 3298

IF MY KIDS SAID THAT…. 3299

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CM: SO YOUR KIDS LIE THEN? SO YOUR KIDS LIE? 3300

JP: SOMETIMES THEY DO I MEAN IF THEY SAID THAT SHE WAS WITH US. THEY 3301

KNOW THAT’S NOT TRUE. 3302

CM: SO IF THEY SAY… 3303

JP: AND IF THEY SAID THAT SHE WAS WITH US THEN THEN… 3304

CM: THEN WHAT? 3305

JP: THEN I GUESS THAT WOULD PUT HER OUT IN THE OUT THE PONY EXPRESS. 3306

CM: K AND THAT’S MY CONCERN. THAT’S OUR CONCERN IT IS COLD OUTSIDE 3307

AND IF THERES ANYWAY WE CAN HELP HER… 3308

JP: WELL (INAUDIBLE) 3309

CM: WE CAN HELP HER RIGHT NOW IF YOU HELP US OUT. 3310

JP: NO SHES SHE WAS NOT WITH US I DIDN’T LEAVE HER AT THE PONY 3311

EXPRESS I DIDN’T JUST TAKE HER OUT AND DROP HER OFF OR EVEN DO 3312

ANYTHING. 3313

CM: K LETS GO BACK TO THE RIGHTS REAL QUICK YOUR NOT LEAVING 3314

ANYWAY K? SO WHAT I WANT TO DO IS I WANNA HAVE HAVE YOU 3315

ANSWER SOME QUESTIONS FOR US CAUSE YOU CANT LEAVE EITHER WAY 3316

BUT WHAT I WANT YOU TO BE AWARE OF IS THAT YOU HAVE RIGHTS K? 3317

AND IT IT PROBABLY BE TO YOUR BEST INTEREST TO LISTEN TO THESE 3318

RIGHTS THAT HES GONNA READ TO YOU. 3319

JP: WELL OK BUT I DO WANT THE LAWYER CAUSE AT THIS POINT I 3320

DEFINITELY WANT THE LAWYER. 3321

CM: OK 3322

JP: SO WHERE IS WHERE DO I GET THE LAWYER IN FACT… 3323

CM: TELL YOU WHAT IF YOU CAN GET THIS IS WHAT I CAN DO FOR YOU RIGHT 3324

NOW IF YOU GIVE ME A PHONE OR A NAME OF A LAWYER I WILL CALL THE 3325

LAWYER FOR YOU AND BRING HIM TO YOU HERE AND THEN WE CAN 3326

STILL TALK. DO YOU WANT TO DO THAT FOR ME? 3327

JP: UM THE ONLY LAWYER I KNOW IS PRE PAID LEGAL. 3328

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EM: THAT’S A GENERIC NUMBER RIGHT? 3329

CM: CAUSE YOU CAN TELL ME WHAT LAWYER YOU WANT ME TO CALL FOR 3330

YOU AND I WILL I WILL GET YOU A PHONE BOOK. 3331

EM: SO LET ME SEE YOUR PHONE. 3332

CM: WHO EVER YOU WANT. 3333

JP: WHY? 3334

EM: I WANT TO JUST SEE YOUR PHONE IT’S GONNA IM GONNA HANG ON TO IT 3335

UNTIL WERE FINISHED. 3336

JP: K 3337

EM: DO YOU HAVE A… 3338

JP: CAN I RE…I GUESS THE QUESTION IS… 3339

EM: DO YOU HAVE A LAWYER THAT YOU NEED TO CALL? 3340

JP: I WOULD LIKE TO CALL MY LAWYER. 3341

EM: A SPECIFIC LAWYER? NO WILL CALL YOUR LAWYER. OK? 3342

CM: YEAH YOU JUST TELL US WHO TO CALL WILL CALL THEM FOR YOU 3343

EM: DO YOU HAVE THE PHONE NUMBER IN THERE AND WILL WRITE IT DOWN 3344

AND WE CAN CALL THEM. IM NOT GOING THROUGH YOUR PHONE IM JUST 3345

GONNA HOLD YOUR PHONE SO THAT YOU CANT USE IT. 3346

JP: OH HE SAID IM NOT SUPPOSE TO CALL THEM THAT’S THE PHONE NUMBER. 3347

CM: IS THERE ANYBODY SPECIFIC THAT YOU WANT US TO CALL? ANY NAMES? 3348

CAUSE EITHER WITH YOUR LAWYER OR WITHOUT YOUR LAWYER WE 3349

HAVE TO GET A STATEMENT FORM YOU TO FIND OUT WHAT HAPPENED 3350

AND WHATS GOING ON WE GOTTA FIND HER. WE HAVE TO FIND HER 3351

PERIOD. AND I THINK YOU OWE IT TO YOUR KIDS THAT WE FIND HER 3352

JP: OBVIOUSLY 3353

CM: SO WHAT DO YOU WANT US TO DO? 3354

EM: YOU WANT US TO CALL YOUR LAWYER? 3355

JP: A YEAH I WANT A LAWYER. 3356

EM: OK 3357

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JP: I MEAN IF YOU GUYS ARE… 3358

CM: OK WILL DO THAT FOR YA. 3359

EM: ILL GIVE YOU YOUR PHONE BUT YOU CANT USE IT OK SO DON’T PULL IT 3360

OUT DON’T TEXT DON’T CALL. YOU UNDERSTAND? 3361

JP: K 3362

EM: ARE YOU GONNA BE TEMPTED TO USE IT? 3363

JP: NO HOW LONG? 3364

EM: AS LONG AS IT TAKES COULD BE AN HOUR COULD BE TWO HOURS I DON’T 3365

KNOW 3366

JP: K WELL 3367

CM: K AND IF THERES ANYTHING THAT YOU WANT JUST KNOCK ON THE DOOR 3368

DON’T COME OUT 3369

JP: I THOUGHT YOU SAID YOU WERE GONNA GIVE ME THE PHONE? 3370

EM: HMMM I DON’T KNOW…I JUST DON’T… 3371

CM: I THINK I THINK WHAT WILL DO IS… 3372

EM: WILL HANG ON TO IT. 3373

CM: WERE GONNA HANG ON TO IT FOR EVIDENCE AT THIS POINT. 3374

EM: YEAH 3375

CM: OK 3376

EM: WERE GONNA KEEP IT 3377

CM: AND ITS GONNA BE PART OF THE CASE K? AND IF WE FEEL THAT WE 3378

DON’T NEED IT FOR EVIDENCE THEN WILL LET YOU KNOW AND WILL GIVE 3379

IT BACK TO YA K? BUT IF YOU HAVE ANYTHING YOU WANT TO TALK TO 3380

US ABOUT YOU KNOCK ON THE DOOR. 3381

EM: DON’T COME OUT 3382

CM: DON’T COME OUT 3383

EM: JUST KNOCK ON THE DOOR AND WILL COME OVER. 3384

CM: WILL COME OVER AND TALK TO YOU OK? IF YOU DECIDE YOU WANT TO 3385

TALK ABOUT ANYTHING. 3386

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DOOR OPENS……………………………………………………………………………………... 3387

JP: ALRIGHT 3388

DOOR CLOSES…………………………………………………………………………………… 3389

DOOR OPENS……………………………………………………………………………………... 3390

EM: OK SO BEFORE I CALL I JUST WANT TO MAKE SURE DO UM IF I CALL AN 3391

ATTORNEY DO YOU WANT TO TALK MORE? 3392

JP: UM… 3393

EM: OR NO? 3394

JP: HONESTLY IM ALREADY FEELING SICK IM I WANTED TO GO A LONG TIME 3395

AGO AND AT THIS POINT IM… 3396

EM: OK IF YOU WANT TO LEAVE YOU CAN LEAVE. 3397

JP: IM I CAN LEAVE? 3398

EM: YEAH IF YOU WANT TO LEAVE YOU CAN LEAVE. 3399

JP: OK NOW AND YOUR KEEPING MY PHONE OR? 3400

EM: IM GONNA KEEP YOUR PHONE. 3401

DOOR CLOSES…………………………………………………………………………………… 3402

DOOR OPENS AND CLOSES……………………………………………………………………. 3403

END OF INTERVIEW…………………………………………………………………………….. 3404

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