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Table of Contents For June, 20081. .......................................................................................Been on this a site a long time and now I get UFO pics 1

2. ..................................................................................................Sgt. Clifford E. Stone Answers Your Questions 1

3. ...........................................................................................................Obama and the Bilderbergers -PROOF! 1

4. ................................................................................................Interesting character in my ER has me spooked 2

5. ...............................................................................Need Analysis on this video of UFO's from Illinois (11-09-07) 3

6. ..........................................................................................................................Blogger arrests hit record high 3

7. .....................................................................................................................Oklahoma Declares Sovereignty 4

8. ..................................................Illegitimate Federal Government and the Rule of Martial Law in the United States 4

9. ..........................................................................................Don't Watch This Video...If You're Happy Living a Lie 4

10. ...................................................................................................................Global Economic Crash Late July! 5

11. ........................................................................................American 'Ultra Black' Reversed Engineered Projects 5

12. .....................................................................................Hidden link at bottom of page. whatistheconspiracy.com 6

13. .......................................................................................................2008 Barbury Castle crop circle: pi solved? 7

14. .........................................................................................................UFO South East England 16/06/08 12pm 7

15. ..........................................................Oklahoma Recalls Bill That Would Have Facilitated NAFTA Superhighway 7

16. ...................................................................................................................................Life in the U.S. is a joke 8

17. ...............................................................................................................................Terra Papers - I was there 8

18. ..........................................................................................Court rules in favor of Second Amendment gun right 9

19. ....................................................................................................Old World Secrets the Omega Project Codes 9

20. ..............................................................................................WIN A FREE TRIP to Las Vegas With BTS MIX !! 9

21. .........................................................................................................................Police chase UFO over Cardiff 9

22. ......................................................................USA Military Officers Challenge Official Account of September 11 10

23. ........................................................................................Why I believe the Intergalactic Alien Council Exists!!! 10

24. .............................................................................................................................The Metaphysics of Music 11

25. .................Former Senator Mike Gravel Calls For Independent 9/11 Investigation, Prosecution of Bush & Cheney 12

26. .......................................................................................What is the strangest thing you've ever experienced? 12

27. .......................................BREAKING! Kucinich Introduces 35 Articles of Impeachment Against George W. Bush! 13

28. ................................................Alien Spaceships Around Stargate/Time Portal? Take Out Your Telescopes Now! 13

29. .............................................................................................................................Why they hate AMERICA 13

30. .....................................................................................Did Mars Phoenix pop a spring, lose a screw or what? 15

31. ..............................................................................................................................Mars Exploration timeline 15

32. .....................BREAKING: Prophet Yahweh TRIES TO TWIST Challenge to Summon UFOs For ATS and FAILS 20

33. .......................................................................................Video: BANNED: How To Create an Angry American 21

34. ..............................................................................................................................Introduction to this Forum 22

35. ..................................................................................................................................JFK new video proof? 22

36. ................................................................................................................UFOs Invade Town In NT Australia 22

37. ...................................................................Romania talks again: UFO caught by airport surveillance cameras. 23


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38. .................................................................................UFOs over Liverpool UK - BBC news & several sightings 23

39. .............................................A Very Scary, Very Disturbing Blog Post About The Coming 2008 Economic Crash 23

40. ..................................................................................................................................Phoenix Digs on Mars 23

41. ..........................................................................................The United States of America is now a dictatorship! 25

42. ...............................................................................................................................George Carlin Has Died 26

43. ...................................................................................................Aliens Eating Humans, Invasion DANGER... 26

44. ....................................................................................................Bush Declares National Emergency? why? 27

45. .............................................................................................................UFO over Southhampton 01.06.2008 27

46. ...........................................................................................................Japanese invent car that runs on water 27

47. .............................................................................................................................The Underground Empire 27

48. ...................................CAPTION CONTEST #5 1ST "Knights" 2ND "sos37" 3RD "Rockpuck" MOD "Crakeur" 29

49. ....................................................................................................I've been taken three times, here's my story. 30

50. .................................................................Bush Plans On Attacking Iran Before Leaving Office!!! CNN Report!!! 31

51. ...................................................................................Meltdown US banks within weeks says Fortis chairman 31

52. ....................................................................................................The UFO-Alien Applied Linguistics Registry 31

53. ......................................................................................................................BBC uncovers lost Iraq billions 32

54. ....................................................................Wikileaks Gets Hold of Special Forces Counterinsurgency Manual 32

55. ................................................................................US Government admits botched job of WTC investigation 32

56. ..............................................................................................Rep. Dennis Kucinich motions to Impeach Bush 33

57. ..................................................................................................................U.S. Food Reserves 'Tapped Out' 33

58. ..........................................................................Video: The Ugly Truth...The Ugly American (Highly Disturbing) 33

59. .................................................................................................................I have awakened, and so can you. 33

60. ............................................................................................................Doctors Cure Skin Cancer Patient!!!!!!! 34

61. ....................................................................................................Mars FaceDiscovered Near Cuban Coast! 34

62. ........................................................................................................NASA Forgot How To Go To The Moon!!! 35

63. .....................................................................................Even on Fathers' Day, Media Find a Way to Bash Men 35

64. ...........................................................................................................U.K. to Begin Microchipping Prisoners 35

65. ..............................................................................................................................Amazing Space Pictures 35

66. .............................................................................Canadian MP Libby Davies reads 9/11 petition in Parliament 35

67. ..........................................................................................The Web Bot Project Predicts Apocalypse In 2012! 36

68. .....................................................................................The True Story of the Bilderberg Group : Daniel Estulin 37

69. ..........................................................................Why am I labeled racist for being proud of my white heritage ? 37

70. ......................................................................................UPI Reporting UFOs Struck Romanian Fighter Plane 37

71. .............................Scientists have proved for the first time that nucleobases found in meteorite are extraterrestrial 38

72. .....................................................................................................................................The Blue Pill People 38

73. ...............................................................................................Why has NASA never gone back to the moon? 38

74. .................................................................Why Is Bush Helping Saudi Arabia Build Nukes?: Wall Street Journal 39

75. .....................................................................................Believe I have found a crashed ufo and attendent ufos 39


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Been on this a site a longtime and now I get UFO picsCreated by: theukbloke on June 27, flags: 144, replies: 463

Monday before last my ears started humming, and I just ignored it, but then my daughter (the biggestskeptic there is) said she could see an odd green lighthovering over the river (River Thames in Hampton,UK) I took a look and at first thought is was ahelicopter, but the sound was way off, not the normalthudding but deep bass buzzing sound the lights werewrong as well. The lights were green with very brightwhite light that was much brighter than I could look at.I grabbed my camera and snapped the followingsequence before it shot off towards the south (look atwhat the light did to my image sensor), the images areshaky as I had to put it on 1 second exposure (well the

camera did that for me) as it was dark. I wanted tocapture the image in context with the surrounding foryou guys to look at. These images were shot in rawand the full exif data is attached to each image.(visit the thread to view linked images)this is the first one cropped for better detail- look atthose lights on the camera's sensor!(visit the thread to view linked images)Now, am I saying this is an Alien Craft? Not sure, all Iknow is that is a UFO (to me).theukblokeLink to thread: ...thread366944/pg1

Sgt. Clifford E. Stone AnswersYour QuestionsCreated by: CLIFFORD STONE on June 2, flags: 129,replies: 1198

I wish to start this thread so ATS members andreaders can pose questions to me in the proper forum.I shall endeavor to be as responsive as I can to anyquestion asked.God Bless,Cliff

Mod note: Yes, this is the real Clifford Stone asverified by an ATS site administrator. As always,skeptical inquiry and respectful disagreement are quitewelcome, but let's please be on our best behavior andensure that Sgt. Stone is afforded every courtesy inour community, because anyone brave enough to offerpublic, firsthand testimony and answer questionsabout these subjects deserves nothing less.Link to thread: ...thread359885/pg1

Obama and the Bilderbergers-PROOF!Created by: jamie83 on June 5, flags: 123, replies: 386

The main stream media is never going to tell you whatyou're about to read here. Please read this with anopen mind and visit the link I've provided at the bottomof this post.James A. Johnson is the person selected by Obama tohead his Vice-Presidential Search Committee. Themain stream media hasn't told you much aboutJohnson other than the fact that he lead John Kerry'sVP search committee.But why?Because James A. Johnson is a Vice-Chairman of amulti-billion dollar hedge fund and merchant bank, anda business partner of George Soros. Johnson also

was the chairman of investment house LehmanBrothers. Johnson is also a member of the Council onForeign Relations and the Trilateral Commission.So if a powerful man like Johnson is Vice-Chairman ofthis investment fund, then who is the Chairman?Try Frank Pearl, who not surprisingly is also a memberof the CFR. Even more astounding, Frank Pearl'sbiography on his own web site identifies him as anactive member of the Americans for Bilderberg group.There is now a proven, direct link between Obama andthe Bilderbergers. What may be even more astoundingis that nobody in the main stream media has reportedon this.So now we know how an unknown African-American, aformer street organizer made his way from TrinityChurch in Chicago to being the Democrat candidatefor President of the United States. He was backed bythe Trilateralists and the Bildeberg group, following inthe footsteps of Jimmy Carter.This is not speculation. This is not rumor. This is notsome wild conspiracy theory. This is documented.And now we can understand why the main streammedia has been obsessed with Obama's associationswith Rev. Wrigth and William Ayers, and has beensilent on Obama's association with James Johnson

and Frank Pearl. Rev. Wright and William Ayers, andthe "Michelle tape" that's been rumored are designeddistractions to keep the public from focusing onObama's associations with groups like the TrilateralCommission, the CFR, and the Bilderberg group.And by the way, the name of Johnson and Pearl'sinvestment bank, which he founded in 1995? Perseus,LLC. And for those of you who might have forgottenyour greek mythology, Perseus became a hero forcutting off the head of Medusa.

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Coincidence? There's no such thing as coincidence.On their web site they have images of Perseus holdingthe severed head of Medusa.Wait... did I mention that James Johnson is on theboard of Goldman Sachs? Or that former Clinton

cabinet member Richard Holbrooke is also a Vice-Chairman of Perseus? Or that that the Vice Presidentof Finance at Perseus LLC held a similar position atthe Carlyle Group? Or that the Managing Director ofPerseus was formerly a Vice President at Enron?So for everybody who has fallen in love with Obamaand who has bought into his speeches about changingthe culture in Washington, know that you aresupporting the candidate hand-picked by the mostelite, powerful men in the world, who literally aremembers of the Bildeberg group.Are you sure you want these people in the WhiteHouse? Do you think the masses who show up and

cheer Obama have any idea of these connections?Go Here to Discover Who is Backing Obama"Frank H. Pearl (Washington, D.C.), Chairman andChief Executive Officer of Perseus, founded the firm in1995....Mr. Pearl is also a member of the Board of Directors ofthe Institute for International Economics, a member ofthe Council on Foreign Relations, and is a participatingmember of the American Friends of Bilderberg.James A. Johnson (Washington, D.C.) is a ViceChairman of Perseus. Mr. Johnson was a ManagingDirector in Corporate Finance at Lehman Brothers. Mr.Johnson was Executive Assistant to Vice President

Walter F. Mondale, where he advised the VicePresident on domestic and foreign policy and politicalmatters.Mr. Johnson also serves on the Boards of Directors ofThe Goldman Sachs Group, Inc., KB Home, TargetCorporation, Temple-Inland, Inc., and UnitedHealthGroup. He is also a member of the Council on ForeignRelations, the National Museum of African AmericanHistory and Culture, and the Trilateral Commission."And one more thing. Obama also named African-American Eric Holder to his VP search committee. Youwill hearing a lot about Holder because he wasinvolved in pardoning Mark Rich and the two membersof the Weather Underground when Clinton left office.Why did Obama pick Holder?So the media can focus on Holder's dubious past, andthat fact that he's a black man, while failing to mentionanything about James Johnson and Frank Pearl.I will promise you you're not going to hear one mentionabout Johnson being the Vice-Chairman of Perseus,but you'll hear about Holder and the WeatherUnderground for weeks. It's part of the plan.Edit: Fixed title.

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ER has me spookedCreated by: BoulderMD on June 3, flags: 99, replies: 348

I'm new here and am questioning my wisdom onposting to a site such as this, but if I gain some insightfrom someone with similar experience then perhaps itwill be worth my time.First, an introduction - I'm a doctor in an ER inColorado (Boulder to be exact). The only verification I'llgive is that our hospital uses a set of guidelines calledEncore Values that are specific and unique to oursmall community hospital. We have several campusesincluding an original location and a new facility thathas been open for a few years now. The followingincident occurred at the former. If you need proof of myown validity you can easily figure out which hospitalI'm referring to and simply call and ask them whetheror not we use "Encore Values" as part of our missionstatement. That should at least go some distance ingiving me a smattering of credibility. As for the accountthat I am about to relate, I can offer no proof. I canonly tell you what happened.Three nights ago I was in the middle of my shift andwas having a relatively quiet evening, especially for aweekend. We were then given a heads up about a

multiple victim accident that had occurred on TheDiagonal (a highway that leads into town here). I tookon one of the incoming and will describe the patient as"him" although I will say that it may have been a manor a woman. Because of HIPPA regulations I cannotreveal any information that may relate to his/heridentity. I will refer to this patient simply as "scalp lac"due to their only visible injury.The patient came in and seemed to be altered andbecause a head injury was involved I had a nursedraw labs and immediately sent the patient down for ahead CT. The results were negative (no bleeds ortrauma to the brain noted). The patient had a

particularly nasty scalp laceration that we addressedsuccessfully and I felt we would probably send thispatient on their way after our workup was complete.As I was reviewing another patient's chart that wasalso involved in the accident I was alerted by the nursethat "scalp lac" was requesting my attention. I wentinto the room and the patient seemed agitatedalthough not altered as previously noted. As I enteredhe asked me if he could trust me. I smiled and assuredhim that he could. Patients from time to time needreassurance and I began to wonder again about thepatient's mental well-being. I asked what was on his

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mind and I pulled up an exam stool and sat besidehim. As I reached out to pat his arm as I often do withpatients he recoiled and knocked over a metal rollingtable next to his bed and also dislodged his pulse oxmonitor from his index finger as well as pulling the lead

from his BP cuff.The nurse stepped into the doorway and motioned forsecurity. I looked back at her and gave a nod to let herknow that it was ok. The patient then stated, "Don'ttouch me. I'm hot right now." I assured him that no onewould touch him and asked him where and how he felthot.This is the conversation that followed:"I feel hot. I know things then. I know things about younow because I'm hot.""Where do you feel hot? Are you in pain? We need toget your monitors back in place. Is that ok?""No. I'm hot right now. Don't touch me. I know things

when I'm hot."At this point I was about to ask the nurse for aparticular medication to help with the situation. She's avery good nurse and was likely well aware of what Iwas about to ask. And then he asked me,"Does your wife know about the green book?"At this point I turned and told the nurse to give us amoment. His statement had taken me off guard. As thenurse pulled the privacy curtain and stepped away, Iasked him what he meant."I'm hot right now. I know things. I know about thegreen book you got for her."-Continued in next post

Admin Update:Many members have become highly skeptical of thisstory, and some have determined it to be a hoax. Seethis postfor more information.[edit on 4-6-2008 by SkepticOverlord]Link to thread: ...thread360441/pg1

Need Analysis on this video ofUFO's from Illinois (11-09-07)Created by: kdial1 on June 19, flags: 97, replies: 108

I found this video on the MUFON website it wassubmitted yesterday. Here is the description:"I was coming home from work on IL-14, when Ilooked North above Grayville, Il and saw two or threeof the amber orbs. First one appeared, then one camebelow and to the left of it. Possibly another, it's beensix months ago since then. I continued to watch thesky until I got home. When I arrived I got out mycamera and tripod. I believe it was about twentyminutes before I saw anything else. The description isexactly the same as my reports from 9/11/07 and9/12/07 in Indiana, they are the only two on that date if

you wish to look them up. The difference in thissighting is that I could see small dots of light splittingoff from the orbs as they lit up, and continuing on inthe sky to repeat this again. The orbs lasted onlyseconds on this occasion, and there were about eight

in all; most were caught on tape. The following hasbeen recoded to wmv9, thus losing some quality;however the important aspects can still be seen. Anyquestions should be sent to *snip*"Video 35MB High qualityNow this is what I know about the video so far:1: The objects are not moving at incredible speeds,this is the camera moving on the tripod.2: Someone FINALLY used a tripod!!3: Objects are coming off of the bigger object indifferent directions.I personally think this is some great video! Hope tohear your input.

-Kdial1Correction to title: I originally said this was in Indiana, itis IllinoisEdit: Changed date in the thread title to actual date ofIncident.UPDATE: Improved VideoYou can download a QuickTime version of the videothat's smaller in file size with improved contrast:UfoTapeShrink.mov12.16MB[edit on 19-6-2008 by SkepticOverlord]Link to thread: ...thread364687/pg1

Blogger arrests hit recordhighCreated by: Extralien on June 16, flags: 94, replies: 82

news.bbc.co.uk"More bloggers than ever face arrest for exposinghuman rights abuses or criticising governments, saysa report.Since 2003, 64 people have been arrested forpublishing their views on a blog, says the University ofWashington annual report.In 2007 three times as many people were arrested for

blogging about political issues than in 2006, itrevealed. "(visit the link for the full news article)Link to thread: ...thread363850/pg1

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Oklahoma DeclaresSovereigntyCreated by: jhill76 on June 14, flags: 81, replies: 306

"STATE OF OKLAHOMA2nd Session of the 51st Legislature (2008)HOUSE JOINTRESOLUTION 1089 By: KeyAS INTRODUCEDA Joint Resolution claiming sovereignty under theTenth Amendment to the Constitution of the UnitedStates over certain powers; serving notice to thefederal government to cease and desist certainmandates; and directing distribution.WHEREAS, the Tenth Amendment to the Constitutionof the United

States reads as follows:"The powers not delegated to the United States by theConstitution, nor prohibited by it to the States, arereserved to the States respectively, or to the people.";and WHEREAS, the Tenth Amendment defines thetotal scope of federal power as being that specificallygranted by the Constitution of the United States andno more; andWHEREAS, the scope of power defined by the TenthAmendment means that the federal government wascreated by the states specifically to be an agent of thestates; andWHEREAS, today, in 2008, the states aredemonstrably treated as agents of the federalgovernment; andWHEREAS, many federal mandates are directly inviolation of the Tenth Amendment to the Constitution ofthe United States; andWHEREAS, the United States Supreme Court hasruled in New York v. United States, 112 S. Ct. 2408(1992), that Congress may not simply commandeerthe legislative and regulatory processes of the states;andWHEREAS, a number of proposals from previousadministrations and some now pending from the

present administration and from Congress may furtherviolate the Constitution of the United States.NOW, THEREFORE, BE IT RESOLVED BY THEHOUSE OF REPRESENTATIVES AND THE SENATEOF THE 2ND SESSION OF THE 51ST OKLAHOMALEGISLATURE:THAT the State of Oklahoma hereby claimssovereignty under the Tenth Amendment to theConstitution of the United States over all powers nototherwise enumerated and granted to the federalgovernment by the Constitution of the United States.

THAT this serve as Notice and Demand to the federalgovernment, as our agent, to cease and desist,effective immediately, mandates that are beyond thescope of these constitutionally delegated powers.THAT a copy of this resolution be distributed to the

President of the United States, the President of theUnited States Senate, the Speaker of the UnitedStates House of Representatives, the Speaker of theHouse and the President of the Senate of each state'slegislature of the United States of America, and eachmember of the Oklahoma Congressional Delegation."PDF DocumentThe last time this was done, civil war broke out. Do themembers here think that the Feds will actually ceaseand desist? This is good, I hope more people whoknow more about politics can weigh in.[edit on 14-6-2008 by jhill76]Link to thread: ...thread363374/pg1

Illegitimate FederalGovernment and the Rule ofMartial Law in the UnitedStatesCreated by: jackinthebox on June 17, flags: 80, replies: 259

In this piece I will be providing documentation whichshows that the United States of Americas Constitution,

as prescribed by the nations founders, no longer hasdirect authority, and that the nation operates under a

declared state of martial law. While it is true that theConstitution is referenced, and still alive in spirit tosome extent, it is also true that it no longer bindseffective governance in legitimacy. Sovereignty hasbeen stripped from the people.Let us begin with looking at what it means to be a freeand self-determined people.[edit on 6/17/0808 by jackinthebox]Link to thread: ...thread364194/pg1

Don't Watch This Video...IfYou're Happy Living a LieCreated by: DimensionalDetective on June 30, flags: 71,replies: 135

Non-Conspiracy Theorists might want to skip past thisone. But if you, like myself, question much of what isbeing fed to you by your gov and their Elitist string-pullers, and their propaganda mouthpiece, theMainstream Media--Then you will definitely want tosee this short doc. The global Elitists (Bilderbergers)

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are pulling too many strings around the world rightnow, and more often than not, it is for nothing morethen their own benefits at the suffering of millions oftheir "inferiors"...They hand the rulings down to the govand media of how to treat us "peons", and dictate

world policy, wars, and financial situations. How far arethey willing to go to keep their "sheep" and "cattle" inconformity and obedience? Watch the video and bethe judge...(isit the thread to view linked videos)

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Global Economic Crash LateJuly!Created by: behindthescenes on June 18, flags: 68, replies:242

When mainstream economists begin to sound like anaverage Above Top Secret contributor, then you knowwe're headed for hell.The word is out and it's dire. Think the worst is over forthe credit crunch? Think we're in as deep a recessionas we're gonna get? Haha! This was just a preamble.The chief economist at the Royal Bank of Scotlandsays the global economy is headed for a crashunseen in over 100 years, beginning sometime thisJuly. Translated another way -- by the end of thesummer, we'll be in full-blown Great Depression II."Cash is the key safe haven. This is about not losingyour money, and not losing your job," said Mr Janjuah,who became a City star after his grim warnings lastyear about the credit crisis proved all too accurate.RBS expects Wall Street to rally a little further intoearly July before short-lived momentum fromAmerica's fiscal boost begins to fizzle out, and thedelayed effects of the oil spike inflict their damage.What makes this prediction chilling is the mode bywhich this will come about -- oil. The oil price surge willfinally work its venom fully into the world economies bythe mid-summer; inflation will spike to headline-makinglevels; and then the mass layoffs come.Suddenly the Fed and other central banks are in a real

Damocles Sword scenario: Ordinarily, the Fed wouldcut rates to spur growth. This time, with rapid inflation,they will have to raise rates. That will not only chokegrowth, but will steepen the economic decline.Remember, Fed Chairman Ben Bernanke is a"student" of the first Great Depression, having wrotemany studies, such as this noted 2004 speech, onthe subject. His main contention was that monetarypolicy makers in the lead-up to the depression causedit by bowing to outside forces to increase the interestrate.

The market crash of October 1929 showed, if anyonedoubted it, that a concerted effort by the Fed can bringdown stock prices. But the cost of this "victory" wasvery high. According to Friedman and Schwartz, theFed's tight-money policies led to the onset of a

recession in August 1929, according to the officialdating by the National Bureau of Economic Research.The slowdown in economic activity, together with highinterest rates, was in all likelihood the most importantsource of the stock market crash that followed inOctober. In other words, the market crash, rather thanbeing the cause of the Depression, as popular legendhas it, was in fact largely the result of an economicslowdown and the inappropriate monetary policies thatpreceded it. Of course, the stock market crash onlyworsened the economic situation, hurting consumerand business confidence and contributing to a stilldeeper downturn in 1930."

Translation: When the Fed increased the interest rate,it shrank the money supply, which shrank world outputand GDP, which fueled depression.Today, he's in a real pickle: Does he stick by his guns,keep rates low, maybe even cut them more and risk aninflationary spiral not seen since the 1970's, orperhaps even as bad a Germany in the run-up toWWII? Or does he bow to world banking pressure,spike rates as a way to strengthen the dollar anddeflate the price of oil, but risk spiraling our economyeven further into the abyss?Ladies and gentlemen, this is the worst economicplight we may ever see in our entire lives. It has the

wholesale potential to change the very fabric of ourcountry, its institutions, its government and its role as aworld leader.Link to thread: ...thread364364/pg1

American 'Ultra Black'Reversed EngineeredProjectsCreated by: jkrog08 on June 6, flags: 64, replies: 148

I have decided to start this thread speculating on whatI call 'Ultra Black' projects.Projects that are wellbeyond the secrecy of even the most classified 'Black'projects.These 'Ultra Black' projects are almost entirelymade up of extremely advanced reversed engineeredalien technology.As the 'White' and 'Grey' projectsprovide cover for the 'Black' worlds projects,the 'Black'projects provide cover for the most secret of researcha n d d e v e l o p e m e n t p r o j e c t s , t h e ' U l t r aBlack'world.These are the 'Cream of the Crop' so tosay,the real deal,the things that even the majority ofthe 'Black'project engineers have no knowledge

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about.The things that have no 'official budget',thethings that are known mainly as a 'need to know'foreven the highest ranking military officers,the thingsthat full knowledge of is reserved for the proverbial'Elite' or 'Shadow Government'.

Yes,these are the things that are what people see'defying physics' outside of 'Area 51',these are themajority of the 'Black Triangles',some 'saucers',andsome other 'UFOs' are,and what some government'whistle-blowers' only refer to as "Things that wouldmake 'Star Wars' and George Lucas jealous."Theseare projects that possibly the President of the UnitedStates has no knowledge of.I can offer no 'proof' of the following claim(s)only thatmine came from a supposed 'Deep Black Insider'andthings I saw seemed to verify who I will call 'X'.The following information was told to me outside of myformer house in Tennessee around 1999,as were the

following eye-witness accounts.The informant wastalking to my step-dad and me(I was 13-14 at the time)outside the back patio.Yes there was Alchohol thatMr.X was drinking,but that only as they say 'Oiled hismouth more".I disregard the fact that maybe he waslying cause he was 'drunk' do to the fact that hestarted talking before drinking and only provided themore 'reluctant'information after ingesting someAlchohol.Also I verified some claims.Here is a briefsummary of one interesting conversation we had:You have all heard of 'Pulse Detonation' aircraft before(ie;The Aurora).Like I said some call it the Aurora,Idon't know if that is the actual term for it(the craft) but

about 9 years ago I was talking to someone whoclaimed to be 'privy'to 'ultra'top secret technologiesand programs.What he told me was that this craft thateveryone calls the 'Aurora' and alot of the 'triangularUFOs'are actually one craft(a fleet of themactually).Apparently it utilizes two kinds of propulsion(atmospheric and 'warp'(I say warp because it is thebest way to describe the drive system)and is largely ahybrid of reversed engineered alien technology andours.The craft, as was described to me is essentially'driven' from the front(as in the alien drive systemexerts force to in front of the craft to propel it by'constricting space in front and expanding spacebehind it'.The inside of the craft has a total life supportsystem and is able(obviously)to enter and exit thev a c u u m o f s p a c e a t w i l l . F o r t h e'conventional'propulsion for inside atmospheres itutilizes said {Pulse Detonation}technology(PDWE)I'vealso heard rumors(from another source)that the fuelused(for atmospheric flight) is some type of 'Hydrogenslush'.The source never mentioned to my knowledgewhat fuel was used.Apparently this craft was flown toabout a dozen military bases throughout the world peryear on a undefined cycle.I happened to live by one of

the bases it came to and every morning(right at sun-up)for about 2-3 months you would be awoken by themysterious roar of something sounding like a odd jetengine warming up(like no jet engine I've ever heardbefore) and then taking off.What was weird was you

never saw it,just heard it(except one morning I did geta glimpse of something 'shining'in the sky,movingrapidly just after I heard the 'takeoff').Lets keep in mindthis was a Air National Guard base that DID NOThouse fighter jets regularly and has many'odd'buildings,unusually heavy security for a NationalGuard base and rumors of underground facilities.Iasked why at a national guard base and hesaid"Because people don't look there"which was/is agood point.As far as how fast it can go in space,I don'tknow.........I have heard 4 times lightspeed fromanother source.Again I'm not saying this is true,butputting it out here for all to read,what is the hurt if it is

not true?Also on the topic of alien technology,my source saidthat all of the actual alien craft he had seen did nothave a "definite shape".He said that they "constantlychange shape to the best form for their'environment."So that now makes me think that maybewhy 'saucers'take that shape is the downward pull ofgravity vs. the 'repulsion'from the crafts drive system.Itapparently to me seems like it has some type of exotic(adaptive)alloy that makes up its hull.Also he hinted at an apparent type of 'massmanipulation' or 'mass compaction'where in the craftcan look much smaller on the outside than how big it

actually is on the inside.Maybe making use of somekind of 'dimensional differential'?I don't know if any ofthis is true but feel I should 'put it out there' foreveryones interpretation.Link to thread: ...thread361300/pg1

Hidden link at bottom of page.whatistheconspiracy.comCreated by: Kellter on June 13, flags: 64, replies: 1008

I stumbled upon a new link at the bottom of the ats

page. Where it says:( The Above Top Secret Conspiracy Community Website is a wholly owned social content community of TheAbove Network, LLC. )T h e p a r e n t h e s i s a r e l i n k s t owhatistheconspiracy.com.I hope I'm not spoiling anything, is this going to be anew game or a spin-ff website or something? If it is anew game, I'd be happy to make a post in the gamesforum or you could move this.Interesting,,,,Link to thread: ...thread363121/pg1



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2008 Barbury Castle cropcircle: pi solved?Created by: godismath on June 14, flags: 59, replies: 158

Recently a crop circle appeared at Barbury Castlewhich astrophysicist Mike Reed noticed was adepiction of pi.larger image"On looking at the Barbary Castle pattern the ratio ofthe angles of the radial jumps is apparently the first ten(10) digits of the mathematical constant Pi ( the ratio ofthe of circumference of a circle to the diameter)source"I found this absolutely fascinating, and wondered ifsomeone was trying to tell us something. And even if itwas a hoax, it's brilliant.As I sat there staring at this crop circle trying to find

different ways of interpreting it, I decided to open upPhotoshop and recreate the diagram myself. Exceptinstead of drawing lines, I filled in the spaces.larger imageNotice that where the 3 starts, it's on the same line aswhere the number ends (4) on the outside of thepattern. I wondered if there was a way mathematicallyto connect the circle back to itself. After all, if theuniverse can do it effortlessly, then surely there's ananswer in mathematics. Then I noticed something...I had only counted the area that I filled in. What if Iwere to count it's opposite, the light spaces?So I added the two numbers up... figured maybe 3.14is just an infinite curve, so it's needs it's "other half" toconnect the full circle.3.141592654 + 7.969518456 = 11.11111111 / 10 =1.111111111So if 1.111111111 = 1, then 9 skips 10 and goesstraight to 11.Could it be so simple?A dual nature in numbers seems to appear when the0s are gone.1 2 even3 45 6

7 89 11 odd12 1314 1516 1718 1921 22 even23 2425 2627 2829 31 odd32 33

34 3536 3738 39A pattern emerges...Add 0s and the pattern starts narrowing after the first

10 rather than continuing as above. Could this be it? Asimple flaw in our number system?Maybe I'm on to something, maybe not. If anything, Ihope this can act as an inspiration for someone else tofill in the gaps.Link to thread: ...thread363486/pg1

UFO South East England16/06/08 12pmCreated by: 123space on June 16, flags: 57, replies: 98

(isit the thread to view linked videos)Guys ufo get recorded every day now days ... checkthis one out from Britain[edit on 16-6-2008 by 123space]Link to thread: ...thread363831/pg1

Oklahoma Recalls Bill ThatWould Have Facilitated NAFTASuperhighwayCreated by: SystemiK on June 16, flags: 51, replies: 35

www.lincolnnewsmessenger.com"The Oklahoma State Senate voted to recall a bill thatwould have further facilitated plans for the NAFTASuperhighway to run through the state. There werefears that parts of Bill 1507, which dealt with ForeignTrade Zones, were tied to the superhighway which isto extend from Mexico to Canada. There were alsoconcerns that this would lead to private propertyseizures through eminent domain. This is alreadytaking place in parts of rural Texas with theconstruction of the Trans Texas Corridor (TTC), whichis to be the first leg of this superhighway infrastructure."(visit the link for the full news article)Link to thread: ...thread363763/pg1

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Life in the U.S. is a jokeCreated by: slackerwire on June 25, flags: 51, replies: 354

I'm only 30 years old, and in the short time betweenme being a fun loving kid and my current status of

pissed off adult, I have noticed exactly how ridiculousAmerica is/has become.We live in a country where....We are shown basically real time bombing campaignson TV, but people go nuts if a nipple makes anappearance.Where they bleep out words like "drugs" and "heroin"on radio stations.Freedom is nothing more than an illusion. Think you'refree? Think again.People are arrested and sent to prison for a very longtime for committing victimless crimes.People are arrested for possession of a certain

substance that government agencies have beencaught transportingLots of feeble minded twist like to carry on about how"free" they are. These people must not pay attention towhat happens if they forget to pay their property taxes.In a truly free nation, the government couldn't cometake your house.We live in a nation where elected first time politiciansgo to DC and are worth maybe a few hundred grand,but when they leave office, they are worth millions.Lets be honest here, most people in the U.S. are justplain stupid. They naively believe their "freedoms" and"rights" trump everyone elses. If they see/hear/readsomething they disagree with, they don't just ignore it,they cry out for it to be banned.They allow more of our liberty to be taken away,usually in the name of "protecting the children". Theyallow more of our money to be stolen from us bygovernment in the name of "being compassionate".They allow the government to infringe on more andmore of our rights in the name of "fighting terror", yetthey continue to allow the jackasses in DC to leave ourborders wide open. Yea, very effective "war" strategythere, leave your front door wide open.I could go on and on, but I think this might give the gist

of the sad state this nation is in.Nuclear obliteration couldn't really damage us anymore, who knows, it might be just the thing we need tostart over. I wouldn't be opposed to it.Link to thread: ...thread366306/pg1

Terra Papers - I was thereCreated by: kshaundell on June 23, flags: 49, replies: 405

I have looked at some of the Terra Paper commentsand speculations and would like to offer that I studied

with Robert Morning Sky from 1997 to 1999 in Arizonaand can explain many questions, like the style of book.Robert did all his own art work and printing and madethose himself to sell to people who may be keen tolearn the hidden history.He has workshop videos that will answer manyquestions, however at this time I am the only person Iknow of in possession of them.What I can offer is that Robert wrote the Terra Paperslong before he had heard of Sitchen or becamefamiliar with his work. He is a genuine Hopi andApache Native who grew up in the desert who alsoprofessionaly does native dance and is a master

carver of Kat'sina Dolls and takes great lengths tovalidate and document all his work. The Terra Papersis a story based on teachings. Robert's other worksare history with references so people can make theirown decisions. He has said many times, don't believea word he says - go and find out for yourself.I have done forty years of research and his work is oneof the worthiest I have come across because itexplains the real source of our existance and creatorgods in ways we can understand.I did field research with Robert and others into thecanyonlands and looked at things not created by windand rain and saw things and experienced things inregions where apaches today still keep watch in theskies. Has anyone checked statistics on missingchildren in the USA alone? What's that got to do withanything? Everything. I have read the Terra Papers adozen times and still find new clues because it carriesa lot of ramifications in its implications.Why did they create beasts to do labor when they hadtechnology? Perhaps because Earth was a tatteredTiamat with unwieldy energy grid lines that neededgrounding.... pyramids.... Perhaps because they wereterra forming the entire planet and beasts were onlyone of many. There are answers for all questions

which I usually find only lead to more questions.Enki/Ea is the one to whom we should be grateful forour existance and freedom, albeit tenuous. For trueseekers, Robert's work is worthy of a second and eventhird look. Regards - Karyn.Link to thread: ...thread365695/pg1



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Court rules in favor of SecondAmendment gun rightCreated by: GradyPhilpott on June 26, flags: 47, replies:

288ap.google.com"The court's 5-4 ruling strikes down the District ofColumbia's 32-year-old ban on handguns asincompatible with gun rights under the SecondAmendment. The decision goes further than even theBush administration wanted, but probably leaves mostfirearms laws intact.The basic issue for the justices was whether theamendment protects an individual's right to own gunsno matter what, or whether that right is somehow tiedto service in a state militia."(visit the link for the full news article)

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Old World Secrets the OmegaProject CodesCreated by: 12.21.12 on June 10, flags: 46, replies: 869

Has anybody here read this book? What's it all about?I would like to hear from you if you have? What is allthe hype about?These are a couple of the things I have heard about it

so far.Somebody supposedly killed themself after readingthis book.It has undisputable evidence that the US Dollar Bill is amap of some sort.It disputes the account of Jesus Christ or describesthat many people who worship Jesus Christ areactually worshipping Satan.Link to thread: ...thread362346/pg1

WIN A FREE TRIP to Las Vegas

With BTS MIX !!Created by: Dave Rabbit on June 18, flags: 45, replies: 34

Win A Trip To Las Vegas With Spencer & Doc!(visit the thread to view linked images)This Give-A-Way Trip includes FREE AIRFARE, hotelaccommodations for 3 days and two nights, 2 for 1meal deals, $100 in gambling comp., two tickets to aLas Vegas show and you get to be on the BTS MIXShow with Spencer & Doc!(visit the thread to view linked images)IMPORTANT!

Because of our relationship with the folks at the LasVegas Vacation Authority, you are a winner already!Call 1-866-962-4412 NOW and get 3 days 2 nightshotel, $100 in gambling comp. and tickets to a LasVegas Show FOR FREE! They have a limited number

of these available so call to get this vacation for free!About The Las Vegas Vacation Authority(visit the thread to view linked images)The Las Vegas Vacation Authority is a travel-basedcompany whose mission is to provide affordable traveloptions for all Americans.The RulesQualifiers must be 21 years of age or older and meeteligibility requirements. No purchase necessary to win,limited to residents of the U.S., some restrictionsapply. Two winners will be selected by Spencer & Docand announced on the BTS MIX Show the week ofJuly 7th, 2008. The winner may be contacted in

advance to ensure they meet eligibility requirements.The qualifier must be able to travel July 29th throughthe 30th. Not redeemable for any cash value. Contestsubject to change and my be discontinued at any time.Other rules and conditions may apply.Good Luck!Spencer Tracy & Doc HancockBTS MIX ShowTO ENTERPost on this thread how you would promote the BTSMIX Show, contests and/or show ideas and why youwould like to be on the BTS MIX Show with Spencer &Doc!

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Police chase UFO over CardiffCreated by: IMAdamnALIEN on June 19, flags: 45, replies:172

www.telegraph.co.uk"A police helicopter crew gave chase to a UFO after italmost collided with their aircraft near a military base.The pilot was forced to bank sharply to avoid being hitby the mystery aircraft as the helicopter was returningto the Ministry of Defence base of St Athan, near

Cardiff.The three crew, who described the UFO as 'flyingsaucer-shaped', then gave chase, getting as far as theNorth Devon coast before they ran low on fuel, it wasreported.The police aircraft was hovering at 500ft and waitingclearance to land on June 7, when those onboardspotted the other craft hurtling towards them frombelow."(visit the link for the full news article)Link to thread: ...thread364833/pg1

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USA Military OfficersChallenge Official Account of

September 11Created by: zorgon on June 1, flags: 44, replies: 140USA Military Officers Challenge Official Account ofSeptember 1122 May 2008"Twenty-five former U.S. military officers have severelycriticized the official account of 9/11 and called for anew investigation. They include former commander ofU.S. Army Intelligence, Major General AlbertStubblebine, former Deputy Assistant Secretary ofDefense, Col. Ronald D. Ray, two former staffmembers of the Director of the National SecurityAgency; Lt. Col. Karen Kwiatkowski, PhD, and Major

John M. Newman, PhD, and many others. "A lot ofthese pieces of information, taken together, prove thatthe official story, the official conspiracy theory of 9/11is a bunch of hogwash. It's impossible," said Lt. Col.Robert Bowman, PhD, U.S. Air Force (ret). Withdoctoral degrees in Aeronautics and NuclearEngineering, Col. Bowman served as Director ofAdvanced Space Programs Development underPresidents Gerald Ford and Jimmy Carter."SOURCENot much to add to this one except that one namepops out at me in relation to UFO research..Major General Albert Stubblebine, former DeputyAssistant Secretary of DefenseLink to thread: ...thread359737/pg1

Why I believe theIntergalactic Alien CouncilExists!!!Created by: jasonjnelson on June 9, flags: 44, replies: 146

I believe that we can say with full certainty that there isa galactic counsel in existence, and that our fears of

what lies out there are unfounded.I am writing this thread as a witness to multiple UFOsightings, and as a person who sees the idea of aliensthat could communicate with us as a foregoneconclusion. That said, I also believe that there arespecies and creatures that exist in parallel dimensions,as well as some Alien species that may have such adifferent chemistry or make up that they are separatefrom all other "races" in the Galaxy. That it is possiblethat not all species fall in this council.

So how can I say this with absolute certainty? Read onand I will present my case...I don't know how many of you are familiar with theterm "prime directive"? This term comes from thefictional universe that exists within Star Trek. I am not

a trekkie, but did read one of the books and have seensome of the movies. The term refers to the galacticrule of not interfering with, or presenting ourselves to,planetary species that do not yet have the "warp drive"technology.I believe that this was decided for multiple reasons, butthe main one being the events that lead to such aninvention would have to be the product of a matureand scientific society that had reached conclusionsregarding the overall promotion of peace andadvancement..The point is, and I will lay it out, is that I believe thatthere has to be a plan for us that comes from the other

beings in this Galaxy. That although some of thesecivilizations may not even register who or what we are,there are others who do.So here are the four points, as I see them...1) Multiple Alien species exist.What does this prove? Well, we all know of Drakesequation, and using that, we can assume that thereare thousands of planets where life evolved toadvanced societies. Assuming all sorts of issues, fromsudden ELE's to war, are overcome, there would bedozens, if not hundreds of alien species thatconquered interstellar travel.This would have resulted in multiple species exploring

the universe at once. And this would require agoverning body, for trade and conflict, etc.We have multiple witnesses here on earth that relateevents that have different aliens, and different types ofships. From the Greys to the Reptilians, and then theshadow people and the others. If multiple aliens arecombing through the universe, then it would mean....2) We do not have a plan for contact, but they will.Although there are probably a few governmentagencies that have preliminary contact protocol, Idoubt that any major institution has a ground up planfor dealing with initiation to Alien life. I don't think thatthere is the ability to prepare for such a varyingpossibility. I will say this however, it is possible that wehave already begun this process. But that only provesmy point.If multiple species are roaming the galaxy, then theyhave already established protocol for this verycontingency. They have decided the best ways tointegrate said civilizations, as well as deciding therequirements for this contact. Other than the possibilityof rogue species, and other dimensional beings, then itmakes no sense that there are many species, and theyhave not contacted each other. And that through that

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contact, they have adopted a ruling body thatregulates such things.3) We may be a pawn in an intergalactic politicalbattle. A Missouri compromise of sorts.I will accept that some witnesses have seen what is

believed to be conflict between varying races.Although I highly doubt this planet has anything uniqueto it other than Man himself, I can see, based on ourown society, that there may still be cause to interfereor abuse the greater abilities of the advanced alienrace. There are cons in every society, as well asmurderers and such.And just as we have separate parties in our owngovernment, it is only natural to believe that there maybe two sides to an issue involving our adoption into thefederation. Not to mention that there may be warringsides in the outer worlds.4) They are not here to harvest us or our resources.

I think that it is safe to say that if all of our resourcesare around the universe, they don't need to strip mineus here on Earth. That is not to say that our volcanosor thunderstorms may not be intergalactic gas stations,but not in the conquering sort of way. And I won't put itpast some members of the council, or other outsidebeings, to experiment on us. But lets face it. If we canalmost do cloning, then don't you think that a superiorraces could grab a dozen or so people and be donewith us? Why go to all this trouble of enslaving us?Anyway, that is it. I think that using this theory, onecould go to bed at night knowing that "War of theWorlds" is just a movie. I know the thread title is

slightly misleading, but can you argue with it?admin edit: Corrected title to more accurately reflectthe content.[edit on 10-6-2008 by jasonjnelson][edit on 6-10-2008 by Springer]Link to thread: ...thread362003/pg1

The Metaphysics of MusicCreated by: TechnoFan21 on June 15, flags: 44, replies:121

Well, as you can tell by my name, I am a big fan of

music. I love music, and music has been my passageinto other realities, art, and inner creativity. In fact, I amlistening to music right now, Justice's Phantom Part 1to be exact; but what is music? Is it a bunch of randomnotes that when put in a pattern makes someone'ssoul soar? Or is it something much more?I tend to believe the latter, but let's look at the odditiesof music.A musical note can be measured in hertz. Let'spretend that A is at 300 hertz. If you double the hertz,you get the same note, but an octave up. If you reducethe hertz by half, you get the same note, just an octave

down. Also, when you put the musical notes into ascale, if you have the right notes with the scale, almostANYTHING will sound good, only if you get the scaleright though: otherwise it sounds like s***. So, this isone way to look at music.

The other way is much more mysterious, though. Ifyou have ever heard a piece of music that you like,you have gotten emotion from it. You don't understandwhy, but you just do. There is a part of the brain thattransmits musical notes into emotion, but if music canbe transmitted into emotion, that means the brainreleases certain hormones by listening to music. If thatis true, then music could, in theory, be used to sculptcertain aspects of the body. Maybe you can use musicto lose weight, or to become smarter. If that is true,then is music just a combination of different hertzfrequencies, it is a key to the body. Yet, it does notstop there. If one's ability to use music as a body tool

is very good, then maybe it could be used to open upcertain metaphysical passages that would never bebefore reached without the music. I know that this is sobecause I use music every time that I meditate, andevery time it seems to improve my experience. So, ismusic another passage into worlds that we do notknow? Can it open the door into the subconscious,and tap into the information that the Illuminati hashidden from our use?Even more awaits in the oddities of music.How do we compose? How do we choose the rightamount of hertz to put into certain combinations? Howdid Beethoven compose, while deaf?

Well, that could only be explained as the part of thebrain that transforms music into emotion, can turnemotion into music. Have you noticed that musiciansare moody people? Or that their personality fits theirmusic? Personality is controlled by one's normalemotion...If this is so, then it can be assumed that notonly can music be the gateway into the astral realm,and many more realms, but that realms can manifestthemselves in the form of music, like the way thatemotion forms itself in music.So, music is the astral world, emotion, soul, body,math, everything.Music is everything.TechnoFan21Link to thread: ...thread363631/pg1



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Former Senator Mike GravelCalls For Independent 9/11

Investigation, Prosecution ofBush & CheneyCreated by: DimensionalDetective on June 18, flags: 44,replies: 102

www.democracynow.org"Former Alaska senator and 2008 presidentialcandidate Mike Gravel is holding a news conference inNew York City today to call for a new independentinvestigation into 9/11. Gravel will be speaking onbehalf of the NYC 9/11 Ballot Initiative Campaign, agrassroots group seeking to place an initiative on theballot of the November 6th general election allowing

registered New York City voters to create a newcommission to investigate 9/11.The group is looking toappoint between nine and fifteen commissioners onthe panel to conduct the investigation."(visit the link for the full news article)[edit on 18-6-2008 by DimensionalDetective]Link to thread: ...thread364413/pg1

What is the strangest thingyou've ever experienced?Created by: Static Sky on June 18, flags: 44, replies: 497I wanted to start this thread to hear about other usersstrange experiences. I've experienced a few verywierd things in my life, that still escape explanation.For example, when I was 7 years old I was less than10 feet away from a lightning strike. I remember theblinding flash of white but don't recall any noise at all.Then there was the time just a few years ago, when Isaw a UFO. Perfectly round, silver and silent. I firstthought it was maybe a weather balloon and watchedit for a couple minutes, until it slowly moved straight upinto a cloud. It was then I realised it was actuallyMUCH further away than I first thought. No way it was

a weather balloon. It would have had to have beenhuge.But this is mild compared to a couple other strangethings I (and/or my parents), remember.When I was 3, we lived in a tiny community inSaskatchewan. One road passed through it, atop apretty steep hill. You couldn't even see the 'town' untilyou crested the hill and were suddenly in it. Maybe10-15 people lived there, all in trailers. There wasn'teven a store. We were there for my fathers work in theoil industry. The road was paved and I liked to ride this

little 4 wheeled plastic elephant on it, right in front ofthe trailer we were living in.One day, my parents heard the loud screaming soundof a gravel truck locking up its brakes right in front ofthe trailer. Right away, they knew it had to do with me.

They came running out of the house and saw myelephant destroyed by the truck. They were bothrelieved to see me standing at the side of the roadlooking on, stunned. My mom sais my face wascompletely blank and I was standing perfectly still,oblivious to her calling to me.The trucker climbed out of his truck and came runningover. He asked me if I was okay and where my friendwent. My parents were confused by this, as there wereno other little kids around in the town, at all. I told thetrucker that he went home. My mom asked me, "Whowent home?" I told her my friend did. She doubted thisbut the trucker insisted that he saw me and another

little boy running off the road just as he crested the hilland destroyed my elephant.When the trucker left, my mom asked me about myfriend. I didn't know his name, I said I'd never seen himbefore (and never since). I told my mom he was justthere and asked me if I wanted to play. I told him okayand he said, "Then lets play tag", and he tagged meand said, "You're it!". Then I chased him off the road,

just as the truck crested the hill and then he was gone.One more quick one I'd like to mention. (Quickbecause I don't remember it at all. My mom tells it onrare occasion)The next year we were living in Medicine Hat, Alberta.

My mom and I were traveling back from seeing mydad, just a little ways out of town. We stopped by thislake to stretch our legs. As we looked over the water,she sais I started to cry. Not out loud but silently, astears rolled down my cheeks. She asked me why I wascrying and I told her, "This is where I died." She askedme what I meant and I told her "The fireman tried tosave me but he couldn't".She said she was overcome by an extreme feeling ofsadness and then an eerie feeling of fear. She buckledme back into the car and we left and never went back.I don't know if these things are anything of interest toanyone but hopefully they provide an enertaining readif nothing else and provoke other members to writeany strange stories they may have.Link to thread: ...thread364452/pg1



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BREAKING! KucinichIntroduces 35 Articles of

Impeachment Against GeorgeW. Bush!Created by: cashlink on June 9, flags: 43, replies: 59

www.democrats.com"Democrats.com Applauds Dennis Kucinich forIntroducing Articles of ImpeachmentCongressman Dennis Kucinich is on the floor of theHouse of Representatives right now introducing 35articles of impeachment against President George W.Bush."(visit the link for the full news article)Link to thread: ...thread362042/pg1

Alien Spaceships AroundStargate/Time Portal? TakeOut Your Telescopes Now!Created by: mikesingh on June 20, flags: 43, replies: 282

I received an email today from Ted Anderson CEO ofMy Shield Corporation who claims there are numerousalien spaceships around a Star gate/Time portal whichone can see near the Big Dipper constellation. These

have been moving in and out of that portal since thespring of 2007. They glow bright RED, but are smalland hard to see which means one has to be in a darkarea away from city lights to see them.He claims that the number of these alien ships hasmultiplied of late and apprehensive that something bigmay be in the offing. No idea how far out they may be.He didn't say.Some of the drawings which can aid in locating themare reproduced below:(visit the thread to view linked images)(visit the thread to view linked images)For AUTO Tracking Telescopes:

ArcturusSAO 100944GSC 1472:1436, HIP 69673, PPM 130442, HD124897, B+19 2777Flamsteed-Bayer: 16-Alpha BootisMuphridSAO 100766GSC 1470:1157, HIP 67927, PPM 130166, HD121370, B+19 2725Flamsteed-Bayer: 8-Eta BootisRA: 14h 08m 37.5s Dec: +1332'47"

RA: 14h 08m 28.5s Dec: +1333'42"Azm: 28140'53" Alt: +0709'47"Rise: 06:46. Transit: 13:34 Set: 20:22From Muphrid:Angular separation: 0551'44"

Position angle: +14505'Before we dub him as a hoaxer, lets get yourtelescopes and related equipment out of the closet andtarget the area to see if its for real. I dont have atelescope. So itll be great if you guys can help out!Truth or bust!Thanks and happy hunting! :DLink to thread: ...thread364936/pg1

Why they hate AMERICACreated by: Agit8dChop on June 30, flags: 43, replies: 178

Why do people, get so defensive when we blameAmerica for the problems facing Iraq and the middleeast.Why?Its like its completely unknown to them, how weactually got to this position, and the lengths we go to,to DENY the truth.Lets look at a timeline of Quotes, that GOT us to thispoint..(visit the thread to view linked images)Breaking News: 4 hijacked Boeing airliners havecrashed on the Eastern seaboard today, 2 striking theTwin Trade Towers, 1 striking the Pentagon and

another crashing in a field outside Pennsylvania(visit the thread to view linked images)George Bush 2001The focus right now is on Osama bin Laden, noquestion about it. He's the prime suspect and hisorganization.(visit the thread to view linked images)Osama Bin Laden Khilafah.com, 10 Oct 2001I have already said that we are against the Americansystem, not against its people, whereas in theseattacks, the common American people have beenkilled. According to my information, the death toll ismuch higher than what the U.S. Government has

stated. But the Bush Administration does not want thepanic to spread. The United States should try to tracethe perpetrators of these attacks within itself; thepeople who are a part of the U.S. system, but aredissenting against it. Or those who are working forsome other system; persons who want to make thepresent century as a century of conflict between Islamand ChristianityFBI Director Robert MuellerIn our investigation, we have not uncovered a singlepiece of paper - either here in the United States, or inthe treasure trove of information that has turned up in



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Afghanistan and elsewhere - that mentioned anyaspect of the September 11 plot." - The evidenceagainst Bin Laden, promised by Secretary of StateColin Powell on September 23, 2001, has yet to bemade available to the public.

Rex Tomb, FBI spokesmanThe reason why 9/11 is not mentioned on Osama BinLaden's Most Wanted page is because the FBI has nohard evidence connecting Bin Laden to 9/11."But George DIDNT CARE(visit the thread to view linked images)George Bush Oct. 14, 2002"After September the 11th, we've entered into a newera and a new war. This is a man [Hussein] that weknow has had connections with Al Qaeda. This is aman who, in my judgment, would like to use Al Qaedaas a forward army."Saddam even tried to discuss the accusations

(visit the thread to view linked images)"NEW YORK (CNN) -- CBS News reported Mondaythat Iraqi President Saddam Hussein has challengedPresident Bush to a live international television andradio debate via satellite, saying, "As leaders, whydon't we use this opportunity?""I am ready ... to conduct a direct dialogue, a debate,with your president," Saddam was quoted as tellingnews anchor Dan Rather in a three-hour interview. "Iwill say what I want, and he will say what he wants."If Bush is "committed to war," Saddam said, this wouldbe his chance to "convince the world."Asked if he was joking, the Iraqi president said, "This

is something proposed in earnest, out of my respectfor the people of the United States and my respect forthe people of Iraq and the people of the world. I call forthis because war is not a joke."The White House said it was not taking Saddam'sdebate suggestion seriously. "CIA director George Tenet Sept. 6, 2007 |Briefed President Bush in the Oval Office on top-secretintelligence that Saddam Hussein did not haveweapons of mass destruction, according to two formersenior CIA officers. Bush dismissed as worthless thisinformation from the Iraqi foreign minister, a memberof Saddam's inner circle, although it turned out to beaccurate in every detail.(visit the thread to view linked images)George W. Bush January 28, 2003Our intelligence officials estimate that SaddamHussein had the materials to produce as much as 500tons of sarin, mustard and VX nerve agent.Tyler Drumheller, the former CIA chief of clandestineoperations On April 23, 2006CBS's "60 Minutes" interviewed Tyler Drumheller, theformer CIA chief of clandestine operations for Europe,who disclosed that the agency had received

documentary intelligence from Naji Sabri, Saddam'sforeign minister, that Saddam did not have WMD. "Wecontinued to validate him the whole way through," saidDrumheller. "The policy was set. The war in Iraq wascoming, and they were looking for intelligence to fit into

the policy, to justify the policy."(visit the thread to view linked images)George Bush February 8, 2003We have sources that tell us that Saddam Husseinrecently authorized Iraqi field commanders to usechemical weapons -- the very weapons the dictatortells us he does not have.George Tenet Sept. 18Tenet briefed Bush on Sabri. "Tenet told me he briefedthe president personally," said one of the former CIAofficers. According to Tenet, Bush's response was tocall the information "the same old thing." Bush insistedit was simply what Saddam wanted him to think. "The

president had no interest in the intelligence," said theCIA officer. The other officer said, "Bush didn't give a #about the intelligence. He had his mind made up."But we started bombing anyway.(visit the thread to view linked images)(visit the thread to view linked images)(visit the thread to view linked images)George W. Bush, May 29, 2003 [22]We found the weapons of mass destruction. We foundbiological laboratories. You remember when ColinPowell stood up in front of the world, and he said, Iraqhas got laboratories, mobile labs to build biologicalweapons. They're illegal. They're against the United

Nations resolutions, and we've so far discovered two.And we'll find more weapons as time goes on. But forthose who say we haven't found the bannedmanufacturing devices or banned weapons, they'rewrong, we found them.And after the public finally started seeing the truth, wellhe finally admitted what he knew ALL ALONG(visit the thread to view linked images)President Bush 2007Bush admitted that the Iraq war is straining thepsyche of our country. But he vowed to stay thecourse. A reporter questioned him about why heopposed withdrawing US troops from Iraq. In hisanswer, Bush admitted that Iraq had no weapons ofmass destruction and had nothing to do with 9/11.And when we wanted the intelligence/papers/documents/phone calls/emails behind Iraq?" WASHINGTON - The White House refusedWednesday to release in full a previously secretintelligence assessment that depicts a growing terroristthreat and has fuelled the election-season fight overthe Iraq war."" By DOUGLAS JEHL



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Published: July 14, 2004The White House and the Central Intelligence Agencyhave refused to give the Senate IntelligenceCommittee a one-page summary of pre-warintelligence in Iraq prepared for President Bush that

contains few of the qualifiers and none of the dissentsspelled out in longer intelligence reviews, according toCongressional officials."(visit the thread to view linked images)" WASHINGTON (CNN) -- Millions of White House e-mails may be missing, White House spokeswomanDana Perino acknowledged Friday."I wouldn't rule out that there were a potential 5 mill ione-mails lost," Perino told reporters.The administration was already facing sharp questionsabout whether top presidential advisers including KarlRove improperly used Republican National Committee

e-mail that the White House said later disappeared."(visit the thread to view linked images)" A one page summary of the October 2002 NationalIntelligence Estimate, which concluded that Iraqpossessed chemical and biological weapons,apparently failed to note the dissenting viewscontained in the full report. Notes taken by Senatestaffers who reviewed the report indicate that thesummary presented only one point of view, but theWhite House refuses to release the summary.According to Richard Durbin, a member of the SenateIntelligence Committee:

"We have requested, through the Senate IntelligenceCommittee, that the White House produce thisdocument and they have refused. I think that's wrong.""So let me get this StraightWe accuse Osama of 911, yet he denies it and says asecret government in the US did it.]We Say Osama is linked to Iraq, but we dont prove itWe then accuse Iraq of having WMDs, ignoring ourown intelligence agents.We refuse to talk to them.We launch a war on IraqWe find out that he DIDNT actually have WMDs, likewe were told.We admit there wasnt a link, even though we saidthere wasThen we refuse to release any intelligence memo s,phone calls, emails on the subject.. because they areeither LOST, DELETED or simply secret.Link to thread: ...thread367703/pg1

Did Mars Phoenix pop aspring, lose a screw or what?Created by: scorpio9gm on June 1, flags: 41, replies: 116

Did Mars Phoenix pop a spring, lose a screw or almostland on a shell or fossil by the landing pad. Ok I'mgonna stoke the fires a little bit here before NASA doessomething stupid like smash, bury or grind this thinginto the dirt just to get to there precious ice, if you willcheck out the pictures i have posted that have beencoming in from the Mars Phoenix you will seesomething that looks like a screw or bolt coming out ofthe sand. NASA has failed to give us a good hirespicture of it like they have another landing pad. Theyonly seem to be interested in ice. Some one pleasewake these guys up and NASA or the University ofArizona and get us a better picture of this or at least a

good cover up story that it fell off something when itlanded or is a piece of the mars polar lander crash.See more pictures[edit on 1-6-2008 by scorpio9gm]Link to thread: ...thread359626/pg1

Mars Exploration timelineCreated by: internos on June 22, flags: 41, replies: 35

Launch: 10 October 1960Name: Korabl 4 / Marsnik 1 /Mars 1960A(visit the thread to view linked images)

Country: USSR (flyby)Result: FailureReason: Didn't reach Earth orbitAfter launch, the third stage pumps on both Marsniklaunchers were unable to develop enough thrust tocommence ignition, so Earth parking orbit was notachieved. The spacecraft reached an altitude of 120km before reentry._________________________________________________________________________________Launch: 14 October 1960Name: Korabl 5 / Marsnik 2 / Mars 1960B(visit the thread to view linked images)

Country: USSR (flyby)Result: FailureReason: Didn't reach Earth orbitAfter launch, the third stage pumps on both Marsniklaunchers were unable to develop enough thrust tocommence ignition, soEarth parking orbit was not achieved._________________________________________________________________________________Launch: 24 October 1962Name: Korabl 11 / Sputnik 22 / Mars 1962A



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(visit the thread to view linked images)Country: USSR (flyby)Result: FailureReason: Earth orbit only; spacecraft broke apartThe spacecraft and the upper stage were launched by

an SL-6 into a 180

485 km Earth parking orbit andeither broke up as they were going into Earth orbit orhad the upper stage explode in orbit during the burn toput the spacecraft into Mars trajectory._________________________________________________________________________________Launch: 1 November 1962Name: Mars 1(visit the thread to view linked images)Country: USSR (flyby)Result: FailureReason: Radio FailedOn 21 March 1963, when the spacecraft was at a

distance of 106,760,000 km from Earth on its way toMars, communications ceased, probably due to failureof the spacecraft's antenna orientation system. Mars 1closest approach to Mars occurred on June 19, 1963at a distance of approximately 193,000 km, after whichthe spacecraft entered a heliocentric orbit._________________________________________________________________________________Launch: 4 November 1962Name: Korabl 13 / Sputnik 24 / Mars 1962BCountry: USSR (flyby)Result: FailureReason: Earth orbit only; spacecraft broke apart

The complex broke up during the burn to transfer toMars trajectory. Five large pieces were tracked by theU.S. Ballistic Missile Early Warning System. Thegeocentric orbit of the presumed booster decayed on25 December 1962 and the Mars spacecraft orbitdecayed and it re-entered Earth's atmosphere onJanuary 19, 1963._________________________________________________________________________________Launch: 5 November 1964Name: Mariner 3(visit the thread to view linked images)Country: US (flyby)Result: FailureReason: Shroud failed to jettisonThe shroud encasing the spacecraft atop its rocketfailed to open properly, and Mariner 3 did not get toMars. Unable to collect the Sun's energy for powerfrom its solar panels, the probe soon died when itsbatteries ran out and is now in solar orbit._________________________________________________________________________________Launch: 28 November 1964 Arrival at Mars: 14 July1965

Name: Mariner 4(visit the thread to view linked images)Country: US (flyby)Result: SuccessReason: Returned 21 images

"After 7 months of flight involving one midcoursemaneuver on 5 December 1964, the spacecraft flew byMars on July 14 and July 15, 1965. Planetary sciencemode was turned on at 15:41:49 UT on 14 July. Thecamera sequence started at 00:18:36 UT on July 15

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