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JenniferS.: Hi.WelcometotheFeminineForesightpodcast.I'myourhost,JenniferSpoelma.I'manauthorandspeaker,andmyfavoritethingintheworldishelpingpeopleunlocktheirpotential.Inthispodcast,I'llbesharinginterviewsandeducationalinsightsallaboutconfidence,communication,andleadership.Sometimeswemightnerdoutabit,butwe'realwaysgoingtohavefun.Ihopetoinspireyoutobuildacareeryouloveandequipyoutospeakwithpurposeandleadboldly.Iknowthatyou'refullofpowerandfinesse,andIwanthelpyouuseyourforesighttobecomewhoyouaremeanttobe.Solet'sdigin.
JenniferS.: WelcomebacktoanotherepisodeofFeminineForesight.TodayIhaveatrulyphenomenalwomanasmyinterviewguest.HernameisKaitMasters.KaitisaCommunitySupportManagerattheRisingTideSociety,whichisaworldwideorganizationthatsupportscreativeentrepreneursthrougheducationalresourcesandin-personcommunitymeetupsincitiesallover.ShealsoisapainterunderherbrandLarkspur+Laurelandanadvocateforpeoplewithchronicillness.EveryexperienceIhaveinteractingwithKaitjustleavesmeinawe.Sheinspiresmesomuchwithhowmuchofacompassionateandpatientpersonsheis,andshealwaysmakesmewanttobeabetterpersonmyself.Thispodcastisnodifferent.Asyou'relistening,ifyoulovewhatyouhear,ifyou'reencouragedandinspiredtobecomeabetterleaderandabetterperson,pleasetakeascreenshotoftheshowandshareitonsocialmediawithyourfriends,thenhitthatsubscribebuttonsoyounevermissaFeminineForesightpodcast.Thankyousomuchforlistening.Let'sdiveintomyconversationwithKait.
JenniferS.: Hi,Kait.Howareyoudoing?
KaitM.: I'mgood.Howareyou?
JenniferS.: I'mgood.ThankyousomuchforjoiningtheFeminineForesightpodcasttoday.
KaitM.: Thankyouforhavingme.Itwassuchanicesurprisetogetyouremail.I'mexcitedtobeherewithyou.
JenniferS.: Yeah,Iamtoo,andit'sbeenawhilesincewe'veactuallygottentotalkandcatchup,soI'mreallylookingforwardtothechancetodothattoday.
KaitM.: Wedo.
JenniferS.: Solet'sgivesomebackground.Well,maybewecanintroduceyoufirst.Whydon'tyoutelleveryonealittlebitaboutyourself?Whatdoyoudoprofessionally?
KaitM.: So,Iwearafewhats.Iworkfull-timeforRisingTideandHoneyBookheadingupcommunitysupport.I'malsoapart-timesidehustlepainter,whichIwasdoingfull-timebeforeandkindofdidtheoppositeflip-flopandwentbacktoworkingfull-time,andmademypassionmysidehustleagain.ThenIalsovolunteerwith
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rarediseaseandchronicillnessadvocacy.Notreallyajob,butitdoestakeupalotofmysparetime.
JenniferS.: Yes,itdoes.Icantellyouputalotofworkinthattoo,whichisawesome.
KaitM.: Thankyou.
JenniferS.: Yeah,andthoseareallthingsthatwe'regoingtobetalkingaboutmoreinthisinterview,becauseI'mreallyexcitedaboutallofthem.Soyeah,theRisingTideSociety,doingthecommunitysupport.That'showweoriginallygottoknoweachother.IusedtoleadtheTucsonTuesdaysTogethergroup,andbeforetherewasreallyalotoftheinfrastructurethattherecurrentlyisnowsupportingleaders,IrememberwhenyoucameonboardandIwasworkingontransitioningoutandmoving.IwasjustsoamazedbyyouandIwaslike,"ThisisthemostwonderfulpersonI'veevertalkedto.Sheisjusthelpingmemanagethiswholethingandtakingalloftheworkoffmyplate."Socool.Thankyouforeverythingthatyoudo.
KaitM.: [crosstalk00:04:06].
JenniferS.: Inmyhead,Iwasstressingoutalotabout,"Howisthistransitiongoingtogosmooth?Howdoyouhandoffleadershiptosomebodyelse?"Havingyoubetherejustbeinglike,"That'smyjob.Iwillonboardthenextperson.Iwilllookthroughapplicationsandfindtherightperson"wasthecoolestthing.
KaitM.: WellI'mgladithelped.Iwasreallybummedwhenyousaidthatyouweresteppingdownbecauseyouweregettingreadytomovepossiblyandallthat,andIwaslike,"Dangit,IreallylikeJenny,"butwesomehowmanagedtostayconnected-
JenniferS.: Yes.
KaitM.: Sothat'skindofthebeautyofit,right?
JenniferS.: Itisthebeauty.Itisbeautyforsure.Yeah,ItotallymissleadingthatgroupbutI'mexcitedtogetinvolvedintheonehereinAlbuquerquenow,so...
KaitM.: Yes.
JenniferS.: Andtheleadershereareawesome.Cool.Let'stalkalittlebitaboutyourpaintingsidehustle.
JenniferS.: SoLarkspur+Laurel.
KaitM.: Yes.
JenniferS.: It'sbeautiful.
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KaitM.: It'sactuallyundergoingarebrand,soI'llputthatoutthere-
JenniferS.: Really?
KaitM.: Yeah,soIhaven'tactuallyannouncedityetbutI'llletyouinonthatlittlesecret.I'vebeenworkingwithsomeoneIactuallyknowthroughRisingTidetobringitundermynameforthefirsttime.I'llactuallybebrandingmyworkasmyself,asKaitMasters.It'salittlescary.Larkspur+Laurelwillstillliveoutthereinsomecapacitymaybe,but...
JenniferS.: Wow.
KaitM.: Iknow,yeah.
JenniferS.: HasitbeenLarkspur+Laurelupuntilthispoint?Isthatwhatit'salwaysbeen?
KaitM.: It'salwaysbeenthat,yeah.WhenIstartedin2015likeofficially,that'swhenIdecidedtogofull-timeintomakingitmyjob,Ididn'tfeelcomfortableusingmyname,whichIthinkisjustlikeacommonissuewhenyou'reyoungandstartingout.Itjustfeelsawkwardtobelike,"Sowhatdoyoudo?"Yousay,"Oh,Iownmyownbusiness.""Oh,what'sthename?"You'relike,"Oh,KaitMasters."
JenniferS.: Right.
KaitM.: Ididn'thavethatconfidenceyet,soItriedtochooseanamethathadalotofsentimentalmeaningtomeandwasseparatefromwhoIwas,butI'vedevelopedabrandidentityoverthelastseveralyearsthatreallyisverypersonal.Itseemslikeit'sthetimetobringitundermynamenow,soitjust-
JenniferS.: That'sexciting.Ican'twaittoseeit.Doesthatmeanthatyourpaintingsthemselvesaregoingtobetakinganyturns,oryou'regoingtokeepwithalotofthenaturefocus,nature-inspiredpaintingsyou'vebeendoing?
KaitM.: It'lldefinitelystillbenature-focused,nature-inspired,andIthinkthenamechangecomesoutoffindingthatspecificdesiretokeepdoingthat.WhenIfirststartedout,Ikindofdidalittlebitofeverything.Iwaspaintingreallyabstractly.Iwasalsoverysickatthetime,soIactuallystartedmybusinessbecauseIwasfiredforrequestingaccommodationsatthejobIwasworkingat-
JenniferS.: Wow.
KaitM.: Whenmydiseasestartedgettingworse,whichfunfact:it'sdefinitelyillegal,butatthetime,Ijustdidn'thavetheenergytotryandfightit,totryandmakeitright,andit'smuchmorecommonthanyouthink,evenwithADAlaw.Mostplacesareat-willemployment,moststatesareat-willstates,sotheycangiveanyreasontheywantbutyoukindofknowgiventhecircumstanceswhatreallyhappened.Atthetime,Iwasreallynotdoingwellandalotofmyworkwas
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moreabstract,andIthinkthatwascomingfromaplaceofnotbeingabletoreallyenjoytheworldaroundme.Itwasinspiredbynature,butIreallywasn'tabletoexploreittothefullextentthatIamnowthatI'mdoingalotbetter.OnceIstartedreceivingtreatmentsandstartedreallydevelopingmyvoiceasanartistmore,myworkstartedtoshiftmoretothenature-based,stillalittleontheabstractsidesometimes,butnotasabstractaswhenIfirststarted.
JenniferS.: Wow,that'ssointeresting.Doyoutendtopaintbasedoffofscenesyou'veactuallyseenorpicturesyou'vetaken,ordoyoupullfromothersources?
KaitM.: Usuallyit'sfromme.Mostofthereferencephotosarejustfrommycellphone,fromhikesaroundthearea.MostofmyworkhasbeenPacificNorthwest-basedsincewemovedhereaboutayearago.Idohaveanamazingbrother-in-lawwhodoesphotographyaskindoflikeahobbyoutsideofhismarketingjob,andsomysisterandherhusband,they'llsendmephotosoftheiradventuresthatI'mnotstrongenoughtogoon.SometimesIworkfromthoseaswell,butusuallyit'sscenesthatI'veactuallyexperienced,yeah.
JenniferS.: That'sawesome,becauseyeah,youhadmore,SouthCarolinaiswhereyouwerebeforeorNorth?
KaitM.: Yeah.
JenniferS.: Okay.Yeah,soSouthCarolina,theylookedalittlebitdifferentwhenyouwerethere,whichmakessensebecauseitwasthingsthatyouwereactuallylookingatandseeingonadailybasis.
KaitM.: Yes,soit'sdefinitelygrownandchangedoverthelastfewyears,butI'mreallyhappywithwhereI'matnow.I'mexcitedforwhat'stocome.It'sdefinitelykindofahardbalancesometimestotryandkeeprunningabusinessonthesidewhileworkingfull-time,butbothreallyfulfillmesoI'mgoingtokeepdoingitaslongasIcan.
JenniferS.: Yeah.Ohman,Itotallygetthat.
KaitM.: Yes.
JenniferS.: Iamasisterinthatone.
KaitM.: Yes,Iknowyou[crosstalk00:09:48].It'slike,"Ohman."Wecouldgodownthatrabbitholeforalongtime.
JenniferS.: Exactly,totally.Ohyeah,soasfarasthebusinesspartofyourpaintinggoes,doyoutakecommissionworkorisitsellingyourexistingartwork?Howdopeoplegoaboutusuallyfindingandpurchasingyourartwork?
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KaitM.: Greatquestion.SoIdostilldocommissions.NotasoftenasIusedtojustbecausemytimeisalittlebitmorelimited.MyoriginalshavebeendoingalotbetterthanIcould'veanticipated,whichwasnice-
JenniferS.: That'swonderful.
KaitM.: It'salwaysalittlescaryasanartisttostartmakingaseriesororiginalartworkandyou'relike,"Isanyoneactuallygoingtobuythis?AmIgoingtogetanyreturnonthisinvestment?"Idostilldocommissions.MostofmycommissionsandsalescomefromwordofmouthandthroughrelationshipsthatI'vebuilt.Ithinkthat'sreallyimportant,andIknowyouhadaquestionthattalkedaboutpeopleoverprofit,andIthinkitkindofgoesbacktothat.I'vebeenabletosustainthisbusinessbecauseI'vebuiltrelationshipsoverthelastfewyearswhereIdon'thaveasmuchtimetoinvestinmarketingandinalltheseotherendeavorsthatI'dlovetodo,butIstillhavethoserelationshipsbuilt,soI'mstillabletokeepthislittleartbusinessafloat,whichisreallynice.
JenniferS.: Thatisreallynice.That'samazingtoobecauseIthinkit'ssomuchmorefulfillingwhenyoufeellikeyou'regivingsomethingtoarealpersonorsomebodythatyoucareaboutandyouknow.I'mnotsayingit'snotfulfillingandnotgratifyingtojusthaverandompeopleandstrangerspurchasingandyoudon'tknowtheirfaces,butyeah,thatrelationalaspect,I'msureespeciallyasanartist,justfillsupyourheartalot-
KaitM.: [crosstalk00:11:46].
JenniferS.: Yes,yes.
KaitM.: Nomatterwhobuys,Ialwaysdoalittlebitofahappydancethatsomebodyistakingapieceofworkhome,andthathopefullyitwillbringthemjoytotheirhome,orifthey'regiftingitthatit'sgoingtobringtheotherpersonalotofjoy.It'salwayssurprisingwhenIfindsomeonewhoIdon'tknowwhobuyssomething.Itweirdsmeout.I'mlike,"Dotheyknowme?Dotheyfollowme?Howdidtheyfindme?"
JenniferS.: Right.
KaitM.: Mostofmyclientsactuallyknowme.
JenniferS.: Thenit'slike,"Whatdoesmyartworkmeantothem?Likeenoughthattheywantedtobuyit."That'sreallycool.Maybeitweirdsyouout,butIwouldalsobesopumped.
KaitM.: No,it'sdefinitelyexciting.Alittleweird,butdefinitelyexciting.
JenniferS.: Sookay,Ilovealwayshearingaboutpeople'screativeprocessesandwonderinghowtheygoaboutcreatingthethingthat'ssouniquelythem.Youtalkedalittle
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bitaboutyourinspirationandwhereyourpicturesandideascomefrom,butwhatdoesthecreativeprocesslooklikeafterthat?
KaitM.: Itlooksuglyuntilit'snot.
JenniferS.: Amen.
KaitM.: I'mbeinghonest,right?Wecouldgetreallygranularifyouwant.Itcouldgetboring,butIdon'tactuallysketchbeforemostofmypaintings,ifthey'reoriginals.Ifthey'recommissions,Idosketchbecausetheclienthastoapprovethedesignandeverythingthat'sgoingintoit.I'llgivethemdifferentvariationsofwhattheirpiececouldlike,butwhenI'mcreatinglikeformyownseries,Idon'tsketchitoutbeforehand.Ijuststartlayeringandblockinginlightlayersofcolor.Itlooksreallyelementaryatfirst,andverymuchlikewhatyouwouldprobablygiveuponifyouwereinthirdgradeandyouwerelike,"OhlookatthispaintingIdid.It'sgreat.I'mdone.Hangitup."It'sreallyjustalotoftrustingthateachlayerisgoingtoaddanewelementofvaluetoactuallydescribewhatIwanttodescribe.LikeIsaid,alotoftimesit'sprettyuglyuntilallofasuddenIputonemarkdownandyou'relike,"Ohwow,yeah.That'sthat.That'swhatthatis."It'sprettyfluidandfreeformandintuitive.
KaitM.: IknowobviouslyEmilyJeffords,likeshehas#doitfortheprocess,andthere'sbeenalotmoreinrecentyearsofjusthowprocessisreallyimportant,andthat'ssomethingthatiscarriedoverfromartschoolforme,evennowthattheprocessofmakingthepieceofartisjustasimportantaswhattheendresultisoftentimes,andtrustingmyownintuitionwithin.Trustingthat,I'llgetthatinformationacrossthatIwantto,orthatemotion.Thehalf-granular,half-abstract-
JenniferS.: Yeah.
KaitM.: Itlookslike,andIdohaveanofficeandastudio,butalotoftimesIenduppaintingatmykitchentableoronmyparent'sporch.Notinmy-
JenniferS.: Designatedspot.
KaitM.: Yep.Soyouknow,Idon'tknowwhatthatsaysaboutme,but...
JenniferS.: It'sintuition,right?Ifyoufeellikeacertainplaceisgoingtoinspireyouormakeyoufeelmorecomfortable,thenthat'swhereyoushouldwork.
KaitM.: Exactly.That'swhatItrytotellmyself.
JenniferS.: Mm-hmm(affirmative),yeah.It'sjustnicetoknowthatyouhaveastudioandanoffice,thatyouhavethatquiet,sacredspacebutyoudon'tneedtouseit.
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KaitM.: It'sreallyjustastoragearea.Iwon'tshowyou.I'minrightnow.Iuseitforcallslikethis.Ineedtoorganizeit.I'mlookingaround-
JenniferS.: Okay.
KaitM.: It'svery,yeah.
JenniferS.: Wellmyviewrightnowistotallyclean,soyou'regood.
KaitM.: Awesome.Itesteditout,so...
JenniferS.: Good.Allright,soIwanttohearalittlebitmoreaboutyourroleatHoneyBookandRisingTideSociety.Two-in-one.Whatdoesanormalday-to-daylooklikeforyouinthatjob?
KaitM.: Ohmygoodness.Everydayisalittlebitdifferent,sothat'skindoffunandexciting.Foranyonewhoislisteninganddoesn'treallyunderstandtheHoneyBook/RisingTiderelationship,RisingTideispartofHoneyBook.We'relikeabrandwithinabrand.HoneyBookisaCRMforcreativesandRisingTideisacommunityoffreeandaccessibleeducationandcamaraderieforcreativeandsmallbusinessowners.IheadupsupportforRisingTide,butthatalsomeansthatIworkunderHoneyBookandIcanworkcollaborativelywithotherteams.
JenniferS.: I'mgladyoubrokethatdown.Thatwashelpful,thankyou.
KaitM.: HopefullyIexplainedthatwell.HoneyBookiswhatisabletoallowustocontinuetocreatefreeeducation,sowedon'tchargemembershipdues,wedon'tchargeforthemonthlyguide,thingslikethat.That'sagreatpartofbeingpartoftheHoneyBookfamily.MostofmydayisRisingTide-focused,soIusuallyampostingdailypromptsintheFacebookgroup,checkinginontheretomakesureeverything'srunningsmoothlyandtherearen'tanyissuesintheFacebookcommunityland.UsuallyIhaveacoupleleaderinterviews,soImanageapplicationsfor,likeyoumentioned,foranyonewhowantstostartanewgrouporanyonewho'stakingoveragroup.Imayhaveacoupleoffilmcallswithnewleaderswhoneedtogetacquaintedwiththeresourceswehaveandhoweverythingfunctions,andthenIusuallyhaveacoupleofmeetingsforjustanyinitiativewe'redoing.Likewejustdid20OnTheRise,sothelastfourmonthsI'vehadalotofmeetingsbetweenHoneyBookandRisingTideandthenourpartnersforthat.
JenniferS.: Soyoumanagedthatwholething?
KaitM.: Ihelped.
JenniferS.: Okay,youhelped.
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KaitM.: Ihelped.Itwasateameffort,butontheRisingTideside,Iwaslikethepointpersonforit.AnythingthatcouldpotentiallyinvolveRisingTide,ourleaders,orourmembers,I'musuallythepointpersonforitthatmanagesthenittygritty,andthenNataliemanagesmetomakesurethatIhitallthepointsthatI'msupposedtohit.Yeah,alotofmeetings,alotofphonecalls,andalotofjustbrainstorming,support,puttingprocessestogether.Itrytobeorganized.EventhoughIsaidmyofficeisreallymessy,Ireallylikehavingsystems-
JenniferS.: Right.
KaitM.: SoIguessI'mkindofsplitonthat,butjusttryingtomakesurethatpeopleareabletogettheinformationtheyneed,togetthesupporttheyneed,andthatwecanreallyhoneinonwhatthecommunityneedsandadvocateforthat.IknowthatsoundslikeareallybroadpaintbrushofwhatIdo,butessentiallythat'swhatitis.LikeImentionedearlier,Idowearalotofhats-
JenniferS.: Yesyoudo.
KaitM.: [crosstalk00:19:05]different,yeah.
JenniferS.: Thatmakesmesoexcited,anditmakesactuallyperfectsensetomebecauseIdon'tknowifI'veevertoldyouthisorifweeverconnectedoverthis,butIbasicallydoyourjobatmycompany.
KaitM.: Noway.
JenniferS.: Yeah,andtomakeitevenmoresimilar,somycompany'scalledSimpleView.WemakeCRMsystems,and-
KaitM.: [crosstalk00:19:29].
JenniferS.: Yeah,andalsolikeCMSwebsitebuildingtoolsandsomeotherthingsfordestinationmarketers.I'mtryingtothinkofinthePacificNorthwestwhatsomeofthemare,butlikehereit'slikeVisitAlbuquerqueorNewMexicoTrue,likealltheorganizationsthatarepromotingtourism.
KaitM.: Yeah.
JenniferS.: IdoallofthesupportandtrainingforourCMSwebsite-buildingplatform.Yeah,I'mlike,"Itotallygetalloftheprocesses"-
KaitM.: Thisisblowingmymind.
JenniferS.: Iknow.It'ssofunnybecauseit'ssosimilar,butsomeofthesequestionsIwanttoaskyou,I'mlike.
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JenniferS.: SomeofthesequestionsIwanttoaskyou,Idon'tknowhowshedoesitbecauseIdothis.I'mtheonlypersonthatdoesthetrainingandsupportforourclientsallover.
KaitM.: Weneedtohavesomemorecoffeedatesandthings.
JenniferS.: Wedo,wedo.IfeelwehavesomuchincommonandI'llsaytoo,Iamveryorganizedatmyjob,likeyousaidyouare,butmyhouseandmyarea,notsomuch.Ithinkit'spartofbeingcreative.Idon'tknowwhattheothersideofitis,but,yeah,Irelysomuchonprocessesandorganizationinmyworklife,butitdoesn'tmeanitreflectsinmyspatialarea.
KaitM.: Exactly.Oh,mygosh,we'retotallycutfromthesamecloth.Mymindisblown.Ican'tbelievewehaven'ttalkedaboutthatbefore.
JenniferS.: Ican'teitherbecauseIfeelwehavealotofsimilarities,butIwantedtohearyousaywhatyoudoforyourjobfirstandhowyoudescribeitbeforeIactuallysaid,it'sreallysimilar,butitis.
KaitM.: Oh,mygosh,Iloveit.Okay,we'redefinitelygoingtohavetoconnectonthat.
JenniferS.: Yes.AndalsoIwearaheadsetlikeyou'rewearingrightnow,allday,everyday.
KaitM.: Doyoureally?
JenniferS.: Yeah.
KaitM.: DoyouhaveaJabra?Isthatwhatyouwear?
JenniferS.: Well,Iusedto,butnowmine'saLogitech.IliketheJabrabetter,isthatwhatyouhave?
KaitM.: Yes,IwasgoingtosayIstartedtowearmineoutsoIwantedtoknowifyoulikedthenewonebetter.IthinkI'llgetanotherJabrawhenthisonestartstogo.
JenniferS.: Yeah,Iusedtohaveonethatpluggedintomyphoneanditwasawesome.Theclaritywasgoodanditwasn'ttooheavy,butnowtheLogitechone,it'slikeaUSBwentintothecomputeranditjusthurtsmyearsafterawhile.Italsopicksupallofmybreathing.SowhenIlistentorecordingsofmyself,I'membarrassedbecauseI'm,oh,mygosh,soundslikeI'm[crosstalk00:22:01].
KaitM.: Storyofmylifethough.Okay,sohavinganeuromusculardiseasethataffectsbreathingnomatterwhatheadsetIwear,nomatterwhatmicIuse,I'mgoingtosoundalittlebitlikeDarthVadergoingonthere.Ican'thelpit.Sometimesit'sawkwardandIjustrollwithit,Ijustacceptthatit'spartofmylife.
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JenniferS.: Yeah,that'sgood.Ijuststartedblamingitonthealtitude.Albuquerqueiskindofhighelevationit'sjustmylungscan'thandleit.Youdon'tsoundlikeDarthVaderatall,Ican'thearyourbreathingsoyou'regreat.
KaitM.: Thatmakesmefeelbetter,thankyou.
JenniferS.: Allright.Iwouldlovetoknow,wetalkedalittlebitaboutyourjobthere,whatpartsofthejobdocomenaturallytoyou?Ofyourfavoriteparts?
KaitM.: Myfavoriteparts,oh,man.Iloveprovidingsupportforourleadersandourmembers.Idon'tknowifempathyistherightword,butIfeelthatsenseofconnectionandwantingsomeonetofeelknownandunderstoodandjusthavingsomeoneintheircornercomesreallynaturallytomebasedonmypersonalityandthevolunteeringworkexperiencesI'vehadinthepastofjustbeingfocusedoncommunity.Beingtrustedtobrainstormandcomeupwithreallygreatideastohelppeopleout.
KaitM.: Ontheflipside...you'llthinkthisisprobablycrazy,Iwasthetypeofpersongrowingupandevenasanadultwhowouldneveranswerthephone.Ihatedtalkingonthephone,Ididn'tlikeshowingupplaceswhereIdidn'tknowanyone.It'sreallyfunnytomethatIspendthemajorityofmydaytalkingtopeople.Iamnotanextrovertatall.
KaitM.: IamthemostINFJpersonyoucouldevermeet.Ithasneverchangedin10yearsoftakingMyers-Briggs.Iamsointroverted.Thatone-on-oneconnectionisgreat,butIdefinitelylikebeingonalargerscaleofhaving650plusleaderswheresometimesIhavetogoonFacebookliveanddothatkindofstuff,oh,mygosh.That'snotwhatI'mgoodat,butI'veslowlystartedtolearn.
JenniferS.: You'regoodatit,you'regoodatit,butitdoesn'tfeelcomfortablemaybe?
KaitM.: Yeah,notatall.Honestly,afterIhavetodoatalkoranythinglikethat,IusuallyhavetogoliedownafterwardsbecauseIhavetoampmyselfupsomuchtodoit.It'sjustkindoffunnysometimeshowrolesinjobscanreallyfityoureallywell,butit'salsostillacontinuing,growingedgethatIdon'tthinkpeoplewouldexpectbecauseofthetypeofroleI'min.Idon'tthinkpeopleexpectmetobeanintrovertedpersonwhohatespubliclyspeaking.
JenniferS.: Right.Yeah,becauseyou'rebasicallydoingiteverytimeyougetonthephoneforanintervieworwhatever.Ithinkthat'sreallyinspiring.
KaitM.: Thankyou.
JenniferS.: Yes.
KaitM.: Noweverybodyknowsmysecret.Ifyoueverfeelawkwardonthephonewithme,don'tworry,Idotoo.
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JenniferS.: Andwecanalljustbemoregracioustootherpeopleonthephonebecauseevenifthey'redoingthejob,theymightfeeluncomfortable.
JenniferS.: IknowIdothattime.Sometimesonmytrainingcalls,well,becauseI'mdoingtrainingalittledifferent.Somepeopleareamazingandniceandwegetagoodconnection,buteveryonceinawhileI'mtrainingclientsandtheyputmeonmuteandit'sthemostdeflatingthingever.
JenniferS.: Becauseifyoucantryandengagethemandgetthembackon,butthey'realladultsandiftheydon'twantthetraining,they'rejustgoingtoputyouonmuteyoucan'tgetthemtotakeyouoffofit.Thatmakesmefeelsonervousandsouncomfortablebecauseyoudon'tevencarewhatI'msayingrightnow.It'smyworstnightmare.
KaitM.: Thatsoundslikemyworstnightmaretoo.It'ssodeflatinganddiscouraging.
JenniferS.: Thankfully,mostofourclientsareamazingandawesome,wehavegoodrelationshipswiththem.But,yeah,wheneverthathappensI'mlikewhatamIdoingwithmylife?
KaitM.: Youcanalwayscomecommiseratewithme.
JenniferS.: Willdo.Allright.YoutalkedaboutyourchronicillnessforalittlebitandI'dlovetohearmoreaboutthat,howitaffectsyouaswellashowit'sspurredyouontobeanadvocateforotherpeople'schronicillness.I'mgoingtotryandsayitcorrectly,it'smyastheniagravis,right?
KaitM.: Yes,orMGforshort.ItoldJennyearlier,mydadstillcan'tsayitrightandit'sbeen17years,butdon'tevenworryaboutit.EverybodyjustcallsitMGforshortbecauseit'skindofamouthful.
JenniferS.: Okay,MG.Canyoushare,whatisMGandhowdoesitaffectyouonagivenday?
KaitM.: Itisarareautoimmuneneuromusculardisease.Basically,I'llgetonthescientificlevelforanybodyinterested.Thereareseveraltypesofantibodiesthatblock,attackanddestroytheneuromuscularjunctionatyourmuscle,whichmeansyourmusclecan'treceivethemessagefromyourbraintowork.
KaitM.: Thatcausesfatigueandsometimeseventemporaryparalysisoftheskeletalvoluntarymusclesofthebody.Itcanaffecteverymusclebasicallyfromhead-to-toe.
JenniferS.: Doesitusuallyaffecteverythingatonceorcertainareasrandomly?
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KaitM.: Itdependsontheperson.Iknowthatthistermisusednegativelyinthenewstoday,sodon'ttakeitthatway.It'scalledthesnowflakedisease,whichhasbeenalittlebitsadforthoseofuswhohaveit-
JenniferS.: Idon'tknowwhatthatmeansactually.
KaitM.: Man,it'sinthenews.Peopletalkaboutsnowflakesaspeoplewhoareveryeasilyoffendedbythings.
JenniferS.: Oh,okay.
KaitM.: That'skindofruffledsomefeathersintheMGcommunity.Becausethey're,hey,notthatwasusfirst.Nowwhenwedescribeourselvesassnowflakes,wesoundlikewe'retalkingaboutsomethingentirelydifferently.
KaitM.: Theycallitthatbecauseeachcaseissoindividualandsoitcanbereallytrickytodiagnosisevenifyouhavewhatwouldbetextbook.Positivebloodwork,positiveresponsetoallthetests,yoursymptomsandthewayyourdiseaseimpactsyourday-to-daylifecouldbesodifferentfromsomebodyelsewhoisalsotextbook.
KaitM.: Formepersonally,I'mmostlyimpactedinmyupperbodynow.Therewasatimewhereitwasliterallymywholebody.WhenIwasfirstdiagnosed,Icouldn'tbrushmyhair,IwouldfalleverytimeIwouldstarttowalk.Icouldn'tgoupanddownthestairsorchewandswallowfoodverywellsoIlostalotofweight.
KaitM.: I'mdoingalotbetterthanthatnow.Ilookfineandthat'skindofthecurseofittoo,isuntilyou'rereally,reallysickyoubasicallylooktotallynormal,butmostlywhatIdealwithismusclefatigueintheupperextremities,mydiaphragmandsomeofthe[inaudible00:29:54]muscles.Mymouth,chewingandswallowingcansometimesbetough,andthenjustgeneralfatigue,whichiscommonwithalotofchronicillnesses.Ijustneedalotmoresleepandit'sthekindoffatiguewheresleepdoesn'treallyhelpit.
JenniferS.: ThisistheonlythingIcandorightnow,butitdoesn'talwaysmakethesituationbetter?
KaitM.: Exactly.It'salongtermthing.Thereisnocure.Theydon'tknowwhyithappensformostpeople.ThereareseveraldifferenttypesofitwhichIdon'thavetogetinto.Theyestimatethere's60to80,000ofusintheUnitedStates.It'sreallylowprevalence,verylowchancesofmeetingsomebodyelseinpersonwhohasit,whichalsomeanstherearen'talotofdoctorswhoknowhowtotreatit.
JenniferS.: Doyouknowanybodyelsethathasitpersonally?
KaitM.: Ido.Thankyou,internet.
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JenniferS.: Okay.Sonotinday-to-daylife?
KaitM.: IknowtwopeopleinpersonthatImetpre-internetsupportgroupdays.Thechancesofthathappeningareoneinamillion.ButaroundthetimeIwasdiagnosedwhenIwasinmiddleschool,wehadafriendatchurchwhoseoldersisterhadbeendiagnosedwhenshewasincollege.Wegotconnectedwithherandshe'sbecomeoneofmymom'sbestfriends.Thatisprobablytheonlyreasonwhymymomkepthersanityduringthatwholeprocessofunderstandingandtryingtofigureoutwhatweneededtodo.
KaitM.: ThentheonlyotherpersonI'vemetinperson,whichthisisprobablyaHIPAAviolation,butintermsofhowwemet,butIhadkneesurgerywhenIwasinhighschoolandmysurgeonwas,"Hey,oneofmysurgicalnurse'sdaughterwasjustdiagnosedwiththis.I'mprettysureI'mnotallowedtoshareyourinformationwiththem,butcanyougivemepermissiontoshare?Becauseshe'sdesperatetofindsomebodyelsewhohasthis."Don'tcomeafterusHIPAApeople,butwewereabletoconnectwiththatmomanddaughterinperson.Butmostpeopledon'tmeetanybodyelse.
JenniferS.: Wow.Whatagiftthatyouwereableto.
KaitM.: Yeah.Itdefinitelywashelpfultoknowthosetwopeopleinperson,butstilllonelyevenwiththat.
JenniferS.: Yeah.Alotofthereasonwhyyou'redoingwellrightnowisbecauseoftheinfusionsthatyoureceive,correct?
KaitM.: Yes.
JenniferS.: Okay.Canyoutalklittlebitaboutthat?Whatdoesaninfusiondaylooklike,howoftendoyouneedinfusions?
KaitM.: Yes.Myinfusiondayareveryexciting.
JenniferS.: Okay,IrememberwhenIfirstgottoknowyou,youusedtodoinfusionsinthehospitalandyouwouldpaintinthere.Iwas,oh,mygosh,thisisthecoolestthing.SheisjustturninganyexpectationsIwouldhaveofwhatthismightlooklikeonitshead.Iknowyoudothemathomenow,but,yeah,tellusalittlebitaboutthat.
KaitM.: Iwasdoingthemataninfusioncenterthat'saffiliatedwiththehospital,andIwasn'tabletotakeworkcallswhileIwastherebecauseofhowitwassetup,anditcanbeaHIPAAviolationbecauseIdosomuchvideostuff.Itreallywasn'tcooltokeepworkinganddoingthisstuff.
KaitM.: Idecidedtousethosedaystopaint.SoI'dpackupmywatercolorsandgopaintthereforsevenhours.Igetthesedoneevery14daysandit'saboutaseven
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hourday.SowheninsurancewastellingmeIhadtodoitoutsideofthehome,Iwouldpaintduringitandsometimesdocomputerworkaslongasitwasn'taphonecall.
KaitM.: NowthatIdothemathome,nowthatI'minWashington,thankyouchangestoinsurance,Istillwork.Idon'ttakethatmanyphonecallsjustbecausepeoplegetalittleweirdedoutsometimesseeingaportaccessedandhavingthenurseandthepumpbeepingandstuff.
KaitM.: ButIbasicallygetupusuallybetween5:00and6:00a.m.Weusuallystartbetween6:00and7:00a.m.andthenIworkthewholeinfusionandthenspendtheweekendjustresting,sometimespainting,usuallyNetflixbingeing.Ifyouhaveanyrecommendations,letmeknow.
KaitM.: Buttherearealotofuswhoactuallyworkduringourinfusions.Myco-leaderfortheTuesdaysTogetherIlead,sheisonaverysimilartreatmentregimentthatI'mon,plussomeextrainfusions,shehaslupus.Shedoespetportraitsandshebringshercommissionswithhertotheinfusioncenterandsheworksonthemwhileshe'sthere.
JenniferS.: That'ssocool.
KaitM.: She'sincredible.KitGrayishername.KitGrayIllustrationsisherbusiness.She'samazing.I'veneveractuallymetherinperson,wemetthroughRisingTides,butleadthisgrouptogetherIliterallytalktohereveryday.Lovehertopieces.Sheiscrushingit,spendinghoursandhoursandhoursworkingataninfusioncenter.
JenniferS.: Thatisincredible.Okay,talkmoreaboutthatTuesdaysTogethergroup.It'scalledCreativeandChronicallyIll,isthatwhatitis?
KaitM.: Yeah.TuesdaysTogetherandCreativeandChronicallyIll,whichisamouthfull,butit'shardtoknowwhattonameagrouplikethat.We'vebeenaroundsinceFebruary2016,we'vegotabout450membersofcreativeswhoaretryingtomanagetheirsmallbusinessventureswhilealsodealingwithchronichealthissuesordisabilitieswherethesolutionsforanablebodiedpersonmightnotworkforthem.
KaitM.: Wehaveaspacetobeabletoshareresourcesandsupportwhereotherwiseitmightbekindofhardtofindthat.It'sallonline,wedoitalltextbasedsoit'saccessibleforanybody.Yeah,it'sareallyspecialgroupandwegooverthesamemonthlytopicseverybodyelsegoesoverinperson,wejustdoallofourdiscussionthroughtyping.
JenniferS.: Wow,that'ssocool.Sodoesthatmeanyouhaveasetmonthlytimewhereeveryone'sonline,atraditionalTuesdayscheduledmeetingorisitacontinuousconversationthroughoutorsomewherein-between?
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KaitM.: Somewherein-between.Wealwaysposttheguideandthediscussionquestionsintheunits.Idon'tknowifyou'veusedunittabsonFacebookgroupsnow,buttheyhaveanewsociallearningtoolonFacebook.Soeverymonthwesetupanewunitandwe'lluploadtheguideandthenthesecondTuesdayofthemonthwe'llpostthediscussionquestionsandtheconversationusuallycontinuesforafewdaystoaweek.Justaspeopleareabletohopon.
KaitM.: It'sreallynicetobeabletosharethatandsomepeopledoboth.Theyattendinperson,buttheyalsoareinourgroupandit'satotallydifferentexperienceforthem.Ourgrouptailorsittowhattheneedsareofsomeonewho'sbalancinghealthandlimitedtimeandresourceswiththeirbusiness.Yeah.
JenniferS.: That'sawesome.
KaitM.: Iloveit,I'mbiasedthough.
JenniferS.: Yeah,well,Ithinkanybodythathearsaboutthatisgoingtoloveit.It'ssoimportanttohavethingslikethat.
KaitM.: Iagree.
JenniferS.: Yes.Allright.Youdovolunteerworkrightnow.DoyoudovolunteerworkwithaspecificgrouporforadvocacyorisitpartofyourTuesdaysTogetheror...?
KaitM.: Rightnowit'skindofamix.IhavebeenvolunteeringwiththeMGFA,whichistheMyastheniaGravisFoundationofAmerica,off-and-onfor,gosh,probablysixyears.I'vebeenpartoftheirMGFriendsProgram,whichessentiallypairsanewpatientwithalongtermpatienttogetpeer-to-peerguidanceandadviceandbasicallyjustprovidesomeonewhocanlisten.
KaitM.: Wecan'tgivemedicaladvice,butwecanjusttryandsupportthemandmakesuretheyhaveaccesstoeducationandresources.IalsohostaannualartauctiontobenefitMGFAeveryyearduringourawarenessmonthinJune.IhavekindoftakenabitofastepbackdoingthatinanofficialcapacitybecauseI'm23weekspregnantandI'mjusttiredalotmore.
JenniferS.: Yeah,congratulations.
KaitM.: Thankyou.AlotofwhatI'mdoingisalittlebitmorefreeformnow.I'mjustbeingavailableinsupportgroupsonline.I'mtryingtohelpwithanyone-on-onepatientconnections,butnotinanofficialcapacity,justasI'mableto.ThenwithourTuesdaysTogethergroup.
KaitM.: I'vehadtoscalebackalittlebit,whichhasbeenhard.I'dliketosayyestoeverything,butIalsoknowintheseasonoflifeIneedtotakecareofmyselfaswell.I'vehadtolimitthatalittlebitmore.
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JenniferS.: YouuseyoursocialprofilesalotonFacebookandInstagramtoeducateotherpeopleandtoadvocatejustforpatientswithchronicillness.I'mcuriouswhatwouldyousaymotivatesyoutodothat?Thereareprobablyalotofpeople-
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JenniferS.: Todothatbecausethereareprobablyalotofpeoplethathavesomeformofchronicillnessandtheymightjustkeepittothemselvesortheymightseekoutresources,butIamsocuriouswhatmotivatesyouofthisissomethingthatIwanttospeakupabout,Iwanttoeducate,andbeavoicefor?
KaitM.: Ohman.It'shard.Idon'tthinkthatit'sforeveryonebecauseanytimeyouopenupandarevulnerableinthatsenseobviouslyyouopenyourselfuptocriticismandIthinkyouhavetobeatapointwithyourdiseaseandwithyourselfemotionallytobeabletoknowthatsomepeoplearegoingtohavesomenotgreatthingstosayaboutyou.Andyoumightlosesomefriendsevenalongtheway.Somepeoplewhojustdon'tunderstandwhyit'simportanttotalkabout.ButIthinksocialmediagetsabadrapalotbecausewetalkaboutbeingaddictedtotechnologyandit'sruiningthewayweconnectwithpeople.Butsocialmediahasbeensuchavaluabletoolforchronicallyillpeoplewhocannotparticipateindaytodaylifeinthewaythatablebodied,normal,non-sickpeoplecan.
KaitM.: Andsotobeabletofosterthoseconnectionsandusethetoolsthatwehaveatourdisposaltomakeacommunitythat'ssoinvisiblevisibleislikereallyimportanttome.Iwasdiagnosedatatimewheretherewasn'tsupportgroupsreally.Therewasn'ttheonlinepresence.Informationdidn'tpassonlineasquicklyasitdoesnow.Therewasnosuchthingasviralityright.Thingsdidn'tgoviral.Soitwasjustreallylonelyandthere'salotofmisconceptionsandstigmaaroundhealthandchronicillness.IrememberaroundthetimeIbeingdiagnosed,sothiswas2001.SoIhadjustturned11.MymompulledmeoutofschoolbecauseIwassosickandIwasjustmissingsomuchschoolandwejustreallyneededtofocusontryingtofigureoutwhatwasgoingonandgetmetoapointwhereIcouldmanagemysymptomstobeabletogobacktoschool.
KaitM.: AndtheassumptionwasfromoneofmyneighborsthatImustbereallytroubledandtheyactuallyputapamphletinmyparents'mailboxforschoolfortroubledkids.Likethere'sjustnounderstandingofwhatchronicillnessreallyisandtheassumptionisusuallythatit'sbehavioralissuesorifyoujustdidx,y,orz.
JenniferS.: I'msureyougetalotofadviceunsolicited.
KaitM.: Yeah.SoIthinkit'sjustreallyimportanttotryandbreakdownthosebarriersthatcontinuetoperpetuatethosemisunderstandings.ButIalsoknowthatsomepeoplearen'treceptivetoit.I'vedefinitelyhadsomepeoplewho'veunfollowedme.WheneverIdospeakuponInstagramaboutaccessibilityorjust
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aboutwhatit'sliketoactuallytryandmanagesomethinglikethislongterm.Thefollowcountgoesdown,down,down,down.Andattractandrepelthat'stotallyfine.ButIfeellikesomeonehastodoitotherwisewe'regoingtojustkeephavingthesameissueoverandoveragainoflikeoutofsight,outofmind.It'snotanissuebecausepeopleneverseeorhearanythingaboutit.Sorrythatwasatangent.
JenniferS.: No.Nothatwaswonderful.Yeah,ifyouhadtosumupnowafter17yearsofhavingyourdiagnosisifyouhadtosaythebiggestmisconceptionthathasaffectedyouorthatyou'venoticed,whatwouldthatbe?
KaitM.: Ohgosh.
JenniferS.: There'sprobablyseveral.
KaitM.: There'sseveralsoI'mtryingtothinkofwhatlike.Ithinktherearetwo.I'llpicktwo.Ithinkoneofthemisthemisconceptionthatpeopledealingwithchronicillnessjustaren'ttryinghardenough.Justbecauseit'shardtoimaginewhatit'sliketoexperiencesomethingthatyouneverexperienced.AndhavinggonethroughitforaslongasIhave,Iknowjusthowmuchharderyouhavetoworktoperformatthesamelevelassomebodyelsetoproveyourworth.Andthatwhenyoutaketimetorestit'softenperceivedaslazywhenyou'retryingtogetaccommodationsanditlookslikespecialtreatment.Soitkindoflookslikeohthey'rejustnottrying.Iguessmaybethat'sthebigone.I'lljustpickthatone.
JenniferS.: Okay.Thatisbig.I'msurethatishardtoobecauseIcanimagineit'dbereallyeasytotryandcompensateforthateventhoughyouaren'tbeinglazyandeventhoughthoseaccommodationsarenecessaryandlogical.Ifeellikeitcouldbedifficultespeciallyasyou'regettingusedtosomethinglikethat.Toactuallyaskforwhatyouneedbecauseyoudon'twanttobeperceivedasgettingspecialtreatment.Soyeah,thatwouldbereallydifficult.
KaitM.: Andit'shardtoo.Ithinkalotofgeneralsenseofwhatchronicillnesslookslikeispeopleassumethatit'sreallyvisible.Thatanytypeofdisabilityorillnesswillbevisiblyapparentandthemajorityofchronicillnessesarenotdetectablevisibly.It'sIthinkthestatiscloseto75%.Sowhenyoudoaskpeoplelookatyoulikeyou'recrazybecauseyoulookfineandeverythingfromdisabilityplacardstohavingtouseamotorizedcartatagrocerystore.Peoplegettingshamedallthetimeforusingwhatistheirrightfullyentitledtousetobeabletogetaroundtheirdaytodaylifeandtrytobeindependent.Andpeoplecomeafterthemandthey'relike,"Youshouldn'tusethat.That'sforx,y,orz."Andyou'relike,"No,that'smetoo."
JenniferS.: Right.
KaitM.: It'shard.
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JenniferS.: It'snotsomethingthatyoualwayswanttobelikefightingfortoprove.
KaitM.: Mm-hmm(affirmative).Yeah.
JenniferS.: Allright.SothisisaquestionI'malwaysinterestedinaskingpeople.Andit'sgearedtowardsocialmedia.
KaitM.: Okay.
JenniferS.: Thebalancebetweenauthenticityandtransparencybecausetomethey'retwodifferentthings.Ithinkyoucanbeauthenticandyoucanbegenuinewithoutbeingtransparentandneedingtosayeverythingandtelleveryoneeverything.ButalotoftimesIfeellikewhenpeopletalkaboutauthenticityonlinetheytalkaboutthemlikethey'rethesamething.AndIthinkthere'sbenefits.Therecouldbebenefitstoboth.ButI'mcurioushowdoyoubalanceauthenticityandtransparencywhensharingpersonalthings?Soeverythingfromyourillnesstohowyou'vemanagedstresstothingsthatyousharewithyourfamilytopregnancy,allofthat.
KaitM.: It'stough.Ithinkthatyoubringupareallygoodpointthatthosetermsareusedinterchangeablyandit'soneofthosesituationswhereyoukindoflikeIdon'tthinkthatmeanswhatyouthinkitmeans.They'renotfullythesame.IusethewordopenalotwhenItalkaboutheyItrytobeasopenaspossibletobearesourceforespeciallyanyonewho'sfollowingmewhohasachronicillnessandislookingforsomeonetoconnectwith.ButItrytosharethingsthatareeitherallowingsomeonetofindaresourceandopenaconnection.OrhassometypeofvalueattachedtoitbecauseIthinkthere'sreallyeasilywhenyoustarttotalkabouthealthandanythingrelatedtothatwhichobviouslyItalkabout.It'seasyforittobeperceivedasjustcomplaining.Or,"Ohthey'rebeingdramatic.They'reoversharing.Idon'tneedtoknowthis."
KaitM.: AsmuchasIshareandweavethatintomynarrativeasabrandandasobviouslyapersonIkindofmeasureeverythingagainstisthisgoingtobevaluabletootherpeopleorvaluabletome.Whatistheendgoalthere?AndIthinkthatcanbereallyhelpfulintryingtofigureoutwhatareyouabletoshareandwhatshouldyouwaittoshareandwhatshouldyoujustnotshareatall.Respectingtheprivacyofothers.ObviouslytherearethingsIdon'tshareaboutwithmyfamilylifeorwithmyillness.BecauseifIsharedaboutit24-7allthetimewiththelevelthatIdealwithit,peoplewouldbelikewhoareyou,goaway.AndthenothertimesI'mjustnot...Ijusthaven'tgottentothepointwherethere'savaluetiedtoityetthatIfeellikeI'mgivingaresourceoravaluetosomebodyelse.WetalkedalittlebitaboutpregnancyandIhaven'tsharedverymuchonmysocialmediachannelsaboutitbecausebeingpregnantandbeingchronicallyillthere'ssomanynuanceswithitwithinthecommunity.
KaitM.: Withinyourownindividualcare.AndI'vehadtonavigatemyownemotionsaroundsomeofthethingsthathavebeenfrustratingandreallyhardthatthe
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typicalifthere'ssuchathingpersonmightnotdealwithorunderstand.AndI'vesharedaboutitmaybelikethreetimesoverthelast23weeksorhoweverlongit'sbeen.Butjustbecause
JenniferS.: That'sverydifferentfromwhatmostpeoplewoulddo.
KaitM.: Yeah.Soit'saworkinprogressbutIthinkyouhavetoknowwhatyourendgoalsareandwhereyoudrawthelineofprivacyandwhatyourfamilyisokaywith,likeyourlovedones.Andalsojustmeasuringitagainsttheresponseofyouraudienceaswell.TheresponsesIgetwhenIwaittosharesomethingthat'sreallypurposeorvaluedrivenreallyhelpeddevelopmorerelationshipsthanifIweretojustsharealltheselittleoneoffsthatcouldcomeacrossasreallycomplainy.Sothat'sdefinitelybeenalearning.Ihaven'talwaysbeenthebestatit.AndtherearedefinitelytimeswhenI'mtemptedjusttotaketosocialmediaandcomplain.
JenniferS.: Qualityoverquantity.
KaitM.: Yeah.Exactly.
JenniferS.: Yeah.Thankyou.Ithinkthat'sawesome.AndIlikethetermthatyousaidyouuselikeopen.I'mbeingopentoyouwhichisalsotomecommunicatesalotofit'sagifttoshareandthat'showItendtoperceiveittoo.Anytimesomebodysharessomethingpersonal,whetherit'sdifficultorhappyit'sliketomeitfeelslikeagift.Youjustsharedthatwithusandwecanlearnfromit.Transparencyorjustsharingeverythingfeelsalittlebitmoreofthe...itfeelsmoreselfishlymotivate.Ineedtogetthisout.OrIneedaresponse.WhereasIthinkyeahI'mjustramblingnow.
KaitM.: We'reonthesamewavelengththough.IthinkbeingabletosharetrulyisagiftandwhenyoulookatitinthatframeworkandthroughthelensofhowcanthisprovidevaluetotherelationshipsthatI'mbuildingthroughthisplatform,itreallychangesthewayyoupositionwhatyoushareeven.Youcanshareaboutthesamesituation,butthewayyoushareaboutitmightbealittlebitdifferent.Anditcouldreallyimpactsomeoneinareallypositivewayversusifyouweretonotthinkaboutitasagifttosomebodyelse.Itcouldbemoreofanegativeimpact.
JenniferS.: Exactly.
KaitM.: Yeah.
JenniferS.: Yes.Amen.Okay.SoIhaveonefinalquestiontoaskyou.SoI'mcurioushowhavingyourchronicillnesshasimpactedyourviewofworkandlife.AndI'lladdaspecificallylikeI'mcurioussinceyouhavethem,thebackwards...Idon'tknowifweshouldcallitthat,butthebackwardsentrepreneurialdreamofyouwork
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fulltimeandnowyouworkandit'sasidehustle.Howdoesthatchangeyourviewofworkasinworkingforsomeoneelse?
KaitM.: Ohman.It'ssointeresting.IthinkalotofpeoplewithchronicillnessthatI'vemetespeciallythroughourTuesdaystogetherhavekindofstumbledintoitbecausetheycouldn'tworkatraditionaljobanymore.EithertheywerefiredlikeIwasortheywerejusttoosicktodoit.Ishouldn'tlaugh,butallIcandoatthispointislaughsometimes.Thisisridiculous.Butthey'vebuiltsomethingthatisabletogivethepurposeandhopefullyhelpfinanciallysustainthemwhentheirlifekindofgotflippedonitshead.IfeellikeI'vebeenreallyfortunatebecausetherearen'talotofcompanieswhoarewillingtotakeagambleonsomeonewhohasspecialneedsIguesswe'llsay.SoIwork100%remotely.I'moneoftheonlyremoteemployeesatHoneyBookandRisingTide.ObviouslyIdon'ttakecallseveryotherFridaybecauseI'mhookeduptoaninfusionandIliketallieditoutlastyearanditwaslike,ohman,likesevenhourstimes52...or26yeah.Imeanit'salotofhourseveryyearthatIspendneedingflexibility.
KaitM.: AndIthinkwhatI'velearnedisthatitisreallypossibletoprovidethoseaccommodationsandIhopethatmorebusinessesseethevalueinflexibility.Sothatwaythere'salittlebitmoresecurityforpeoplewhomightwanttheirentrepreneurialdreamtobeasidehustlesotheycanhavethingslikehealthinsurance.SoobviouslyI'mlookingatitthroughascopethat'salittlebitdifferent.Lookingatlongtermsecurityandaregularpaycheckandhealthinsurance.Buthavingthatopportunityhasjustshownmethatyou'reabletoadapttosomanydifferentthingsthatyoudidn'tthinkyou'dbeabletoadaptto.IneverthoughtIwouldworkfulltimeagainwhenIlostthatjobforsomebodyelse.IthoughtIcouldonlyeverworkformyself.Sotobeabletoshowmyselfandtoshowothersthatitispossible.Therearen'tatonofpeoplewhoareouttherewhoarewillingtodoit.Butmaybewecanchangethat.
KaitM.: Butalsoseeingjusthowvaluableitistohavesomethingthatyoucanbuildandsustainyourself.Sothatwayyou'reneverfeelinglikeyou'reinapositionthatyoucan'ttakecareofyourself.Soit'sbeenreallyinteresting.Sorry,IfeellikeI'mgettingveryexistentialonthat.
JenniferS.: Holdononesecond.Thisisweird.I'mgettingacallonmycomputersoIfeellike.Okay.
KaitM.: Thathappenstomethough.DoyouuseGoogleVoice?
JenniferS.: NothatwasmyiPhoneconnectedtomycomputer.
KaitM.: Oh.That'ssoweird.
JenniferS.: FaceTime.Yeah,anyways.
KaitM.: You'reaverypopularlady.
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JenniferS.: It'satelemarketer.
KaitM.: Butyeah.
JenniferS.: Existentialtopic.
KaitM.: Myexistentialtopic.Ithinktosummarizeit,theTLDRsinceIwaskindoframblingthere.IthinkthemostimportantthingthatyoucanfindinlifeorthatIfoundisbeingabletohaveapurposeandsometimesitlooksdifferentthanwhatyouexpecteditto.Ineveranticipatedgoingbacktoworkfulltime.ButIfoundalotofcreativepurposeandalotofrelationshipsthataresoinvaluabletomethathavehelpedmegrowinsomanyways.SoI'mreallyhappytobeopentothewaythatlifekindofleadsuptherethroughworkevenifit'snotthewayweanticipated.Foralotofpeopleit'skindoftheoppositemaybeandstartingtheirownbusinessandthenfindingthatcomraderyandleavingthatfulltimejob.Butitcangobothways.Andit'sokaytostillworkfulltimeifyouneedthathealthinsuranceandyoureallylovewhatyoudo.
JenniferS.: Yeah.Awesome.Kait,thankyousomuch.Thatwasamazing.AllofyourinsightsandperspectivesaresoinspiringandhelpfulandIjustappreciateyousomuch.
KaitM.: Thankyouforhavingme.Thiswasreallyfun.
JenniferS.: Yeah,andIhaveonelastquestion.IthinkIsaidthatlasttime.Butwherecanpeoplefindyouonlineiftheywanttolearnmoreandfollowalongwithyourjourney?
KaitM.: [email protected]'slarkspurandlaurel.com.ButIalsoblogabouthealthandartandallthatgoodstuffatkaitmasters.comsoyoucanfindmeanyofthoseplaces.
JenniferS.: Perfect.AndI'lllinkallofthoseintheshownotessopeoplecanfindthem.
KaitM.: Thankyou.
JenniferS.: Allright.Thankyousomuch,Kait.
JenniferS.: IhopethatmyconversationwithKaitencouragedyouinsomeway.Whetherthat'sthevalueofworkwithfreshgratitudeortobetterperspectivetakepeoplewhohaveexperiencesdifferentthanyourown,ortogetinvolvedwithsomethingthat'snearanddeartoyourheart.IknowthatI'vegleanedalotfromKateandherwisdom.Ifyouwanttogetinvolvedintheconversation,askaquestionorsharesomethingthatyoulearnedpleasehopovertofemenineforesight.com.Lookintheshownotessectionofthepodcastsothatyoucanleaveacommentonthispost.There'sgoingtobelinkstoalloftheresourcesreferencedaswellasacompletetranscriptionoftoday'sshow.ThisissocoolbutKaitactuallyrequestedthatwetranscribethispodcastsothat
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peoplethatcan'thearandlistentothepodcastwouldbeabletoreadthepodcastandshecouldshareitwithherfriendsinthedeafcommunity.Iloveherheartsomuchandhowitexudesoutofeverythingshedoes.
JenniferS.: Sopleasejumpintothatconversationandagaindon'tforgettohitthatsubscribebuttonsothatyoucanlistentoournextinterview.Thankyou.Haveawonderfulday.
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