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12/10/2015 Specious In Seattle Forbes http://www.forbes.com/2008/06/25/seattlesupersonicsnbabizsportscx_mw_0625seattle.html 1/4 FREE Webcast: 8 Billionaire Predictions for 2016 Help | Connect | Sign up | Log in 6/25/2008 @ 2:35PM Specious In Seattle The city of Seattle is in federal court trying to keep new team owner Clay Bennett from moving the SuperSonics basketball team to Oklahoma City. In the ongoing trial, the city has called witnesses ranging from economists to superfans to talk about the financial and emotional impact of the Sonics leaving Seattle. Pity for the fans that Seattle’s based so much of its case on the dubious math of economist Lon S. Hatamiya–former California secretary of trade and commerce under Gray Davis. At the heart of Hatamiya’s claims–and the case against moving–is that the Sonics support 1,200 to 1,300 jobs in Seattle and are responsible for $188 million in local economic activity. This looms large, both in the current trial and in future litigation that would determine damages to the city should the team leave. The city claims the Sonics have to honor the two remaining years of their lease because Seattle paid $74 million in renovations to the arena over the last 10 years. But when you dig into the numbers, you see Hatamiya’s tossed an air ball. Let’s start with the jobs claim. An NBA season has only 41 home games. The average basketball game lasts two and a half hours, so including time the arena is open before, during and after the game, that’s seven hours per game. Even if an usher, hot dog vendor or ticket seller worked every game–which is uncommon–it comes out to only seven full workweeks a year. Based on research from University of Washington professor William Beyers and GMA Research, a Bellevue Wash., marketing firm, KeyArena businesses directly employ 385 parttime workers, who would lose seven weeks’ salary over the course of a year. Given that Seattle’s metro area unemployment is 3.7%, according to the U.S. Bureau of Labor Statistics, flat from a 3.7% mark at this time in 2007, it’s highly likely that those 385 people will be able to find seven weeks of work should the Sonics leave. That leaves 206 fulltime KeyArena employees who would be affected by the Sonics leaving, assuming that KeyArena doesn’t book more concerts, events or alternate sports during the 41 days they lose as the result of a Sonics move. For the 206 fulltime employees to all lose their jobs because of a Sonics move, KeyArena would have to completely shut down. As a barometer of scale and economic impact, the average WalMart store Matt Woolsey 0 Tw eet 0 0 0 0 New Posts +7 posts this hour Most Popular Forbes Inv estm ent Gu Lists TopPaid Musicians Video Down With Debt

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Specious In SeattleThe city of Seattle is in federal court trying to keep new team owner ClayBennett from moving the SuperSonics basketball team to Oklahoma City Inthe ongoing trial the city has called witnesses ranging from economists tosuperfans to talk about the financial and emotional impact of the Sonicsleaving Seattle

Pity for the fans that Seattlersquos based so much of its case on the dubious mathof economist Lon S Hatamiyandashformer California secretary of trade andcommerce under Gray Davis

At the heart of Hatamiyarsquos claimsndashand the case against movingndashis that theSonics support 1200 to 1300 jobs in Seattle and are responsible for $188million in local economic activity This looms large both in the current trialand in future litigation that would determine damages to the city should theteam leave The city claims the Sonics have to honor the two remaining yearsof their lease because Seattle paid $74 million in renovations to the arena overthe last 10 years

But when you dig into the numbers you see Hatamiyarsquos tossed an air ballLetrsquos start with the jobs claim An NBA season has only 41 home games Theaverage basketball game lasts two and a half hours so including time thearena is open before during and after the game thatrsquos seven hours per gameEven if an usher hot dog vendor or ticket seller worked every gamendashwhich isuncommonndashit comes out to only seven full workweeks a year

Based on research from University of Washington professor William Beyersand GMA Research a Bellevue Wash marketing firm KeyArena businessesdirectly employ 385 partshytime workers who would lose seven weeksrsquo salaryover the course of a year Given that Seattlersquos metro area unemployment is37 according to the US Bureau of Labor Statistics flat from a 37 markat this time in 2007 itrsquos highly likely that those 385 people will be able to findseven weeks of work should the Sonics leave

That leaves 206 fullshytime KeyArena employees who would be affected by theSonics leaving assuming that KeyArena doesnrsquot book more concerts eventsor alternate sports during the 41 days they lose as the result of a Sonics moveFor the 206 fullshytime employees to all lose their jobs because of a Sonicsmove KeyArena would have to completely shut down

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employs 350 people and the partshytime employees work 20shyhour weeks yearround

To get to 1200 or 1300 jobs Hatamiya who declined to comment for thisarticle has to count every person who sold a bottle of water to a Sonics fanduring a game or a beer to a fan after a game and even then yoursquore just talkingabout a few hours a weekndashhardly the difference between an existing ornonexisting job There can be no doubt that if the Sonics leave bars andrestaurants around KeyArena will suffer on the 41 nights the Sonics wouldhave played in their neighborhood but itrsquos hard to see how the city stands tolose $188 million as Hatamiya claims

The existence of the Sonics does not change disposable family income inSeattle Residents of the city and the surrounding suburbs will still havemoney to spend They might spend it on groceries or a Seattle Mariners gameon a new suit or a few more movies a year Seattle residents will spend thesame amount of money with or without the Sonics itrsquoll just be in differentparts of town

The theory of disposable income as a zero sum game with regards to sportshas been proved empirically again and again in peershyreviewed economicstudiesndashmost notably by Andrew Zimbalist an economist at Smith Collegeand Roger Noll an economist at Stanford

Close to 650000 Sonics fans attended games last year The only question iswhether the minority of them who came from outside Seattle and indeedoutside of King Countyndashwhich includes more than 50 suburbsndashwill decide tostop spending their cash on businesses and entertainment in Seattle or KingCounty because their basketball team left

Thatrsquos a tough slog and it hasnrsquot been proved true in any American city Itrsquod betragic for sports for the Sonics to leave their loyal fan base but therersquos noeconomic argument to keep them

Of course the joke is really on Oklahoma City While Bennettrsquos economistBrad Humphreys from the University of Alberta argued down the Zimbalistand Noll line that a team doesnrsquot add jobs or have a significant economicimpact Bennett convinced Oklahoma City to drop $120 million in publicmoney on an arena The rationale You guessed it economic impact As far ascorporate welfare goes thatrsquos not a bad trick

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employs 350 people and the partshytime employees work 20shyhour weeks yearround

To get to 1200 or 1300 jobs Hatamiya who declined to comment for thisarticle has to count every person who sold a bottle of water to a Sonics fanduring a game or a beer to a fan after a game and even then yoursquore just talkingabout a few hours a weekndashhardly the difference between an existing ornonexisting job There can be no doubt that if the Sonics leave bars andrestaurants around KeyArena will suffer on the 41 nights the Sonics wouldhave played in their neighborhood but itrsquos hard to see how the city stands tolose $188 million as Hatamiya claims

The existence of the Sonics does not change disposable family income inSeattle Residents of the city and the surrounding suburbs will still havemoney to spend They might spend it on groceries or a Seattle Mariners gameon a new suit or a few more movies a year Seattle residents will spend thesame amount of money with or without the Sonics itrsquoll just be in differentparts of town

The theory of disposable income as a zero sum game with regards to sportshas been proved empirically again and again in peershyreviewed economicstudiesndashmost notably by Andrew Zimbalist an economist at Smith Collegeand Roger Noll an economist at Stanford

Close to 650000 Sonics fans attended games last year The only question iswhether the minority of them who came from outside Seattle and indeedoutside of King Countyndashwhich includes more than 50 suburbsndashwill decide tostop spending their cash on businesses and entertainment in Seattle or KingCounty because their basketball team left

Thatrsquos a tough slog and it hasnrsquot been proved true in any American city Itrsquod betragic for sports for the Sonics to leave their loyal fan base but therersquos noeconomic argument to keep them

Of course the joke is really on Oklahoma City While Bennettrsquos economistBrad Humphreys from the University of Alberta argued down the Zimbalistand Noll line that a team doesnrsquot add jobs or have a significant economicimpact Bennett convinced Oklahoma City to drop $120 million in publicmoney on an arena The rationale You guessed it economic impact As far ascorporate welfare goes thatrsquos not a bad trick

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Conferences2015 Forbes 400 Summit onPhilanthropy

2015 Forbes Womenrsquos Summit

2015 Forbes Asia The NextTycoons

2015 Forbes ReinventingAmerica The AgTech Summit

2015 Forbes Under 30 Summit

2015 Forbes Global CEOConference

2015 Forbes CMO Summit

2015 Forbes Healthcare Summit

2016 Forbes CIO Summit

EducationForbes School of Businessat Ashford University

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2015 Forbes Asia The NextTycoons

2015 Forbes ReinventingAmerica The AgTech Summit

2015 Forbes Under 30 Summit

2015 Forbes Global CEOConference

2015 Forbes CMO Summit

2015 Forbes Healthcare Summit

2016 Forbes CIO Summit

EducationForbes School of Businessat Ashford University

NewslettersForbes Investor

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2015 Forbescom LLCtrade All Rights Reserved Terms and Conditions Privacy Statement Market Data by Morningstar AdChoices

BUSINESS INVESTING TECHNOLOGY ENTREPRENEURS OPED LEADERSHIP LIFESTYLE LISTS

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