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ecrets of the !a"i#Bell$% &im 'entura ( Dr. )oseph *arrell

www.americanantigra+it%.comMarch ,0th- ,00

The Nazi-Bell is the dead relic of a bygone era. An unfinished icon of a war come and gone. Or is

it?

Once again cast in the spotlight with the release of Dr. oseph !arrell"s ## Brotherhood of the Bell

the story this time ta%es on a more ominous tone as new details emerge including rumors that the

remote test site has been une&pectedly purchased and scheduled for demolition.

'e (oin !arrell on a (ourney to unco)er the war"s most compelling mystery o)er *+ years in the

ma%ing,

AAG: I’d like to start out with a bit of background information. Can you tell me about yourself, some ofthe books that you’ve written in the past I’d like to learn about what drives you as an authorand what first inspired you to take on the challenging sub!ect of the "a#i$%ell

&arrell: 'ell, by academic training and background, I’ve always dealt with ancientte(ts and been trained to notice things. %ut when I was younger, I )uicklydeveloped an interest in *hysics. I read +instein’s and Infeld’s +volutionof *hysics when I was in the th grade. -hat started a lifelong interest in thesub!ect which I try to stay abreast of by reading papers and books in boththe mainstream and alternative/ areas of *hysics as much as I can.

0ost of my books deal with *hysics in some way shape or form andwith the peculiar interface between 1istory and *hysics, seeking to answermysteries of 1istory with *hysics speculation. I’ve written 2 books in this

alternative physics3history area thus far. *lus I have a new one comingout sometime in the ne(t 4$or$5 months.

AAG: "ow culturally speaking, books on "a#i secret$weapons may seem a little dated. 6et some of the biggest 1ollywood blockbusters in the last few years have been ''II movies such as &lags ofour &athers/ and 7aving *rivate 8yan/. 'hat is it about the 7econd 'orld 'ar that continuesto captivate us And why doesn’t 9ietnam, the Gulf 'ar, or even 'orld 'ar I provoke thesame reaction

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&arrell: -hat’s a great )uestion and one, I think, that a lot of people ask. 0y own intuition is that it hassomething to do with the clear$cut moral and spiritual aspect of that war. It was a war betweenreal Good and real +vil. -he ;aiser’s Germany was not, after all, ultimately out to con)uer the'orld/ and e(terminate whole peoples or to turn them into slaves. %ut "a#i Germany was.

And I think, too, that 'orld 'ar II fascinates us because it was the first truly modern war.&rom the technological standpoint, most of our modern weapons $$ e.g., smart bombs, missiles,radar stealth technology, television$guided bombs, even computers and directed energy weapons

$$ have some prototypical antecedent that dates from that war. And much of it was traceable to "a#i and Allied secret weapons pro!ects.

+ven from the standpoint of military doctrine, I think that there is a fascination because theGermans really invented modern mobile combined arms maneuver warfare and the basic conceptof firepower attrition. 7o I think that there’s any number of ways or reasons that we find the 'arso fascinating.

AAG: In terms of research for the book, I understand that you consulted e(tensively with defense !ournalist Igor 'itkowski who is also a primary source for "ick Cook’s coverage of this topic in-he 1unt for <ero *oint. Can you tell us about working with 'itkowski and what came out of

that collaboration

gor itkowski: Defense#1ournalist who $roke

the Bell stor% in &ruth a$out the underwaffe

&arrell: 6es I did. Igor and I e(changed some letters and emails as I was writing the book and swappinginformation and brainstorming ideas $$ many of which did not actually make it into the book atall. =ike you, I have a tremendous respect for 'itkowski’s work in his book the -ruth About the'underwaffe. And we both share the opinion that it was certainly worth the >?@ we paid to getit. Igor is very easy to work with and considers his sources and evidences very rationally and

carefully.

ne thing I think that he and I would both be agreed upon is that there is certainly more workthat can $$ and should $$ be done on the "a#i %ell story, as your own articles on that sub!ect alsoindicate. I think he and I now are both sort of re$grouping and considering where to go fromhere. Bo we pursue the historical line and aspect of the story or the technological and physicsone I think in a story like this it’s difficult to disentangle the two and that any further work onthe sub!ect will be along the lines that Igor and I pursued in our books.

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AAG: "ow your 77 %rotherhood of the %ell covers more than !ust the %ell. 'hat are some of the othersecret weapons that you describe in the book And are there any revelations about new devicesthat might surprise us

&arrell: 'ell, actually I don’t speak a great deal about other German secret weapons in the 77%rotherhood of the %ell other than to reference some of the intercontinental rockets that theywere developing plus some discussion on their over$the$hori#on phased array radars that theyalso developed as guidance systems for them. -hat in itself is a revelation because the standard

Allied =egend about German radars was that it wasn’t as sophisticated as Allied radar and so onIn some respects, that is true. %ut in others $$ such as these -8 radars $$ it is not.

I also mention these radars because it’s my belief that they played a role in their late$'ar8A0 radar absorbent material $$ i.e., stealthD e(periments where I believe they discoveredaspects of wave$mi(ing and phase con!ugation by multi$beam interferometry on some of their8A0 material. f course, your readers will recogni#e those same elements in the presentationsof scalar ph%sics that 2ol. &om Bearden has been making over the years.

-his fact $$ plus certain things about the %ell itself $$ indicate to me that the "a#is may have been deliberately seeking or doing research into various aspects of scalar physics as well as the

related ideas of +orte mechanics and torsion fields and so on.

AAG: "ow in terms of breakthrough propulsion, there seems to be a lot of confusion about 9ictor7hauberger’s research, the 9ril, the Coanda$+ffect 7aucers at *eenemunde, and of course the "a#i %ell. Can you help us better understand the delineation between these separate pro!ects and perhaps help us to understand why the "a#i’s would run so many overlapping secret$pro!ectsconcurrently

&arrell: -his is really an e(cellent )uestion. -he short and simple answer is that the %ell is not in anyway similar to 7chauberger’s research, the purported research of the pre$'ar 9ril Gesellschaft,or even the Coanda +ffect saucer research associated with various names and the *eenemuende

rocket research center.

-here is some resemblance between 7chauberger’s research and the %ell in that both pro!ects$$ in my presentation of the physics of the %ell $$ involved a well$developed vorte( mechanicsand vorticular theory of the medium. And in that respect, I suspect that there was some liaison between the pro!ects.

-hough I don’t go into this at all in the book, I’d like to speculate a bit here on what I thinkthat liaison may have been. %oth 7chauberger’s pro!ect and the %ell fell under the aegis and !urisdiction of the 'affen 77. -here are strong indicators that both pro!ects were part of 77bergruppenfuehrer 1ans ;ammler’s super$secret black pro!ects empire head)uartered out of

the 7koda 0unitions 'orks’ engineering pro!ect at *ilsen, C#echoslovakia.

%ohemian C#echoslovakia was, of course, at that time a 8eich *rotectorate/ and was underthe direct !urisdiction of the 77. 'hich made it the perfect place to head)uarter and coordinatesuch black pro!ects. 0ost people don’t know it, but one aspect of ;ammler’s black pro!ectsempire was its coordination via a think tank/ of scientists that he recruited for these pro!ects.-his department actually published and circulated its own -op 7ecret !ournal/ of their scientific papers to each other. In other words, these scientists were e(pected to brainstorm and Ethinkoutside the bo(E and to map out the technologies trees necessary to bring various technologies tofruition.

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I believe that this is precisely what we see with the various "a#i saucer pro!ects. 'hat we’reseeing is not absence/ of coordination or an inefficient duplication of effort/ but rather thesteps in a technology tree that had been worked out towards the ac)uisition of field propulsionmachines.

'e see the Coanda +ffect saucers which we may interpret in this speculative conte(t as akind of 0ark I/ or first step. -hen there are 7chauberger’s devices,which are based on his

understanding of what he called implosion/, which on e(amination are devices relying on thecreation of vortices, feedback loops, and so on which would be a 0ark II/ $$ a step along theway toward the %ell.

At the top of this tree is the %ell itself $$ a pro!ect overseen by Br. 'alther Gerlach of "obe*ri#e$winning fame. Gerlach’s specialty was, of course, gravitation, magnetic spin andresonance, and so on.

7o one sees here the theoretical brains that can make sense of it all. - he pro!ects overlap/.in other words. because they were meant to overlap with each stage designed to research certainaspects of a problem.

In this light $$ again speculating here in this interview for the first time on this )uestion $$ I believe the real purpose of the Coanda +ffect saucer research was not so much to create a craft based upon it as to research the lift and drag problems associated with such a craft for use in later pro!ects. If they could be made practical devices in their own right along the way, then so muchthe better.

-he 7chauberger research would then have been to research aspects of vorte( creation as amotive power for such devices. I n fact, I think in this regard that it is interesting that the7chauberger pro!ect was started around F5 after the 0ark I/ research was well under way.-his research would have been the ideal e(perimental conte(t in which to research and test

certain concepts of vorte( mechanics. -hen of course, there is the last step $$ the %ell itself.

I should also stress that I speak more about the ;ammlerstab and its method of operation/ inthe pre)uel to the 77 %rotherhood of the %ell $$ a book called 8eich of the %lack 7un. Again, atthe risk of being redundant, I don’t view these as separated/ pro!ects but as interrelated pro!ectssince they bear the signature of the ;ammlerstab’s modus operandi of mapping out technologytrees and putting into place the practical pro!ects necessary to bring their ideas to fruition.

Anyone approaching the sub!ect of "a#i secret weapons has to bear this in mind that whilethe various pro!ects e.g., sound cannon, wind and tornado cannon, disintegration and death rays,and lasers, grasers, +0* devices, endothermic bombs, fuel$air bombs H all of itD is not a messy

or inefficient s)uandering of resources or duplication of effort since these pro!ects werecoordinated at an e(tremely high level by the 77 which oversaw all patents applications in the8eich.

AAG: Br. +ric Bavis speculated that the "a#i %ell was a centrifuge for refining nuclear materials minedin the nearby mountains and not any type of propulsion system or advanced physics pro!ect.Boes his speculation answer all of the unresolved )uestions associated with the %ell pro!ect

&arrell: -hat is an interesting observation because it is an observation I myself made in my book 8eichof the %lack 7un. "a#i uranium enrichment centrifuge technology is one of the little known



aspects of their secret weapons research. %ut in point of fact, the "a#is brought this technologyto such a state of perfection that one may safely say that this method of uranium enrichment is auni)uely German/ one.

It is my belief that the "a#is used this technology $$ and von Ardenne’s modifications ofcyclotrons with mass spectrometer separation tanks much like =awrence’s beta calutrons in thenited 7tatesD $$ in a large uranium enrichment plant at Auschwit#. [tealthkater note: read

a$out the li+es of 4awrence- 5ppenheimer- and &eller in Brotherhood of the Bom$ 67 doc

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I get into this story in 8eich of the %lack 7un. %ut it is an essential story for the %ell sinceGerman success with centrifuges would have given them the necessary e(perience in dealingwith high rpm rotation machinery and the close precision tolerances that were necessary in suchdevices. -his, of course, was an essential component in the %ell as well which consisted of highrpm counter$rotating cylinders in a modified plasma focus/ device.

7o yes, I believe that there is a connection between the %ell and their centrifuge technologyand their atom bomb program.

Dense lasma *ocus: a modern +ersion of

what the !a"i#Bell is speculated to ha+e looked like.

-hat being said, there are 4 other connections to their atom bomb pro!ect as well. -he first isthe %ell’s scientific pro!ect head $$ Br. 'alther Gerlach himself, who is by F also in charge

of the 8eich’s nuclear research. %ut the %ell is Gerlach’s special baby/ as it were.

I present a certain amount of evidence in the book from the &arm 1all -ranscripts plus Igor'itkowski’s research that indicate clearly that Gerlach was investigating some very esotericareas of physics indeed $$ areas that could only have been associated with the %ell. And it issignificant that only Gerlach was subse)uently interred and interrogated by the 7A after the%ritish were through with him at &arm 1all. -he rest of the scientists including 1ahn, Biebner;orsching, 1artek, and 1eisenberg were allowed to return to Germany. nly Gerlach wasthought to be valuable enough to )uestion further.

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In itself, this is significant because Gerlach’s area of e(pertise $$ once again $$ was notrelated to nuclear or )uantum physics at all but to areas associated with magnetic resonance, particle spin, gravitation, and so on.

-he other connection is with the %ell’s fuel/ itself $$ the mysterious li)uid compound called;99 <erum =,=> itself. I devote a whole chapter !ust to this aspect of the problem in the bookIn a nutshell, though, I believe this EJerum 242E to have been an isotope of 0ercury which alsocontained other elements most likely themselves radioactive isotopes in solution or chemical

composition with this 0ercury isotopeD and even speculate that these substances might have been isomers. -hough it should be noted that if isomers were present in the compound, it wouldhave been in e(tremely minute amounts given the technological difficulty of isolating them atthat time.D

%ut even if this e(tremely speculative notion is not actually the case, there is a certain bit ofcoincidental evidence that at least one element possibly also present in this compound may have been &horium for it is a little known fact that one the "a#is literally scoured +urope anddenuded it of almost all of its -horium. -his fact led to a post$'ar Allied in)uiry into this whichcame to a dead end. "o real answers were ever found as to what happened to this -horium norwhat the "a#is were really doing with it. 7o it’s my suspicion that it may have been a needed

element in this EJerum 242E compound.

1ere is where I believe 'itkowski’s analysis breaks down a bit $$ though it is true as far as itgoes. -he 0ercury component of the compound would, of course, be ideal for plasma researchwhich self$evidently the %ell was designed to do. %ut how does one e(plain the possible presence of other isotopes

0y speculation is $$ and again it is very speculative $$ that the "a#is may have also beentrying to access certain other effects with these materials via the stress that the %ell created inthem. -hese effects might be analogous to something like the 0ossbauer +ffect which is used in part in the cohering of gamma ray emissions and so on. -hus the strange effects that the %ell had

on !ellifying/ various organic materials and its initial and )uite deadly effects on humans andanimals might be e(plained by some such mechanism.

And I believe $$ and present a certain amount of speculative reasoning in the book $$ thatthese effects may be related to the torsion field effects or longitudinal electric wa+es in themedium itself that I believe the "a#is were really after. *ut this way, then. -he %ell was earlyon recogni#ed by the "a#is as having not only a potential for field/ propulsion but also aweapons potential that would have made the hydrogen bomb look like a kitchen match[tealthkater note: sounds eactl% like what &om Bearden has $een preaching a$out with

his &esla#$ased longitudinal scalar stuff 67 doc pdf 894 . Must $e a ?trick? to it- howe+er-

or else e+er%$od% would $e doing it.]

And all of this, incidentally, was right up Gerlach’s alley for as I also present in the book,Gerlach had actually written a short article in a pre$'ar German newspaper $$ many years beforethe "a#is came to power in fact $$ on what sorts of ama#ing things might be done with 0ercurywhen sub!ected to high electrical and magnetic stress. [tealthkater note: read a$out the

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AAG: ne of those biggest unresolved )uestions is what happened to 1ans ;ammler after the 'ar. Ifhe managed to get away $$ and get away with the %ell $$ then why haven’t we seen any hints ofthis technology or ;ammler himself in last half$century

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&arrell: 'ell, that is $$ allowing for inflation $$ the K trillion dollar )uestionL "ick Cook, 'itkowskiand I all present evidences in our books that would seem to indicate that General ;ammlerdisappeared $$ along with the %ell and most of its pro!ect documentation $$ into the bowels ofsome post$'ar American pro!ect.

%ut there is also a certain body of evidence uncovered by %ritish researcher Geoffrey %rooksthat indicates that ;ammler and the %ell wound up in @rgentina at the plasma physics

laboratory that General *eron built for fleeing "a#i physicists in %ariloche province inArgentina. 'hile initially I followed 'itkowski and Cook’s idea that it disappeared into the7A, lately I lean more toward the idea that the %ell remained in independent "a#i hands.

"ow as for the )uestion about why haven’t we seen or heard more about this technologysince the 'ar, in fact I think we have heard about it and I present this evidence in a chapter in8eich of the %lack 7un and also repeated it $$ in slightly condensed form, $$in 77 %rotherhood ofthe %ell.

And that episode is the Aecks$urg 8*5 crash in Becember of FK2 in *ennsylvania. nany number of data points, the %ell and the ;ecksburg acorn/ are similar from their shape to the

dimensions recorded by eyewitnesses for both ob!ects to the peculiar sound both ob!ects madeand so on.

%ut for me the clincher is this. -he ;ecksburg Acorn/ was supposedly seen by aneyewitness at 'right$*atterson airbase. According to research done by ;ecksburg researcher7tan Gordon, this eyewitness worked for a local construction company in Bayton where one dayshortly after the incident an order was placed for thousands of ceramic $ricks.

"ow this is interesting because 'itkowski’s research made it clear that the %ell was housedand tested in an underground chamber that was constructed from ceramic bricksL 7o in otherwords, we have not only the same dimensions and shapes recorded for the two ob!ects but also

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I think this is highly significant and suggestive since the ;ecksburg accounts pre$date thedescriptions of the %ell uncovered by 'itkowski. In other words, the possibilities of collusion between the 4 stories is almost nil.

It is also intriguing to me that by any account, the American military showed up in;ecksburg so )uickly after the ob!ect there had crash$landed. In other words, the military wasready to go and $$ it would seem $$ merely waiting to find out e(actly where the ob!ect came

down in order to recover it.

-o my mind then, the parallels between the two ob!ects is significant and a possibleconnection $$ or even identity $$ between the two should not be too readily dismissed. If this isso, then it puts a new spin not to coin a pun D on the )uestion of what happened to ;ammler andthe %ell. &or if the %ell was not in American hands at the end of the 'ar, then by the time of;ecksburg, it or a similar device was recovered by themL

AAG: Is this a dead story r is somebody actively trying to keep this technology a secret A friend ofmine visited the %ell test$site in 4@@K and was told by the local villagers that a business

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conglomerate had bought the test site and would be demolishing it to build a factory on the site.In my friend’s case, he decided to )uit asking )uestions and move on to another pro!ect. Bo youthink that was simple paranoia r do the proverbial walls have eyes

&arrell: "o, I don’t think it’s paranoia at all. I do think there is evidence $$ and I go into this e(tensivelyin the book $$ that someone somewhere is using active measures/ including so$called wetoperations/ to maintain the secrecy surrounding the technology.

+ven on the view that the %ell is merely/ a field propulsion device relying on torsion fieldsor electro$longitudinal waves in a kind of hyper$relativity $$ that would be a technology wellworth protecting for it implies the engineerability of local space$time curvature. nce we havesaid that, we open *andora’s %o( to the use of the same type of technology to engineer or stresslocal space$time for weaponi#ation i.e., destructiveD purposes. And that, of course, would $$ to be repetitive here again $$ make a hydrogen bomb look like a kitchen match.

7o yes, anyone having access to such technology would seek to suppress it for 4 reasons. -omaintain their monopoly. And to prevent a proliferation nightmare beyond the wildesnightmares of Cold 'ar think$tank wargamers from occurring.

In a certain sense, I guess what I am saying is that given 0ankind’s propensity for warfareand destruction, such a technology would have to be suppressed. %ut however one looks at it, Idon’t think suppression can ever be a successful strategy, simply because the type of physics the%ell represents will inevitably get out. After all, your own website has numerous references tovarious physicists and engineers $$ people like %earden, Bering, and so on $$ whose theories I believe play directly into the theoretical development that I believe lies behind the %ell.

AAG: "ow in terms of conspiracies, the part that bothers me is that neither the 7A nor the 8ussiansseem to have this technology. 7o if something is still going on, where is it, who has it, and whyhasn’t it ever gone public 0aybe this leads back to the )uestion of where 1ans ;ammler fledto after the 'ar

&arrell: 'ell, to some e(tent I have answered this already. If my ;ecksburg speculations are true, thensomething like the %ell clearly ends up in American hands by FK2 if it was not already inAmerican hands at the end of the 'ar.

%ut as I mentioned previously, I am increasingly inclined to the view that the %ell simplydisappeared into the labyrinth of post$'ar independent "a#i research conducted in places like7outh America and under the nominal oversight of "a#i$friendly governments like *eron’sArgentina or $$ later $$ *inochet’s Chile.

"a#i connections and influence in the vast =atin American drug cartels and their criminal

activities would have provided a nearly ine(haustible supply of funds. *lus accomplish at thesame time a strategic goal of weakening a former enemy $$ namely the 7A.

-he reason I incline increasingly to this independent and continuing "a#i/ development forthe %ell is simply $$ as you say $$ the fact that the technology and science simply seems to havedisappeared entirely.

AAG: In addition to ;ammler, you’ve raised a number of )uestions about German scientists such as von%raun and Bebus. -hey came to the 7A as Eperation *aperclipE scientists. And what madethem valuable was their knowledge of these "a#i secret$weapons programs. Can you tell us

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which of them were prominent in your research and what you found about their activities duringand after the 'ar

&arrell: h wow. Another e(cellent and provocative )uestion.

'ell to me, beyond Gerlach himself, the most interesting of these characters has always beenDr. Aurt De$us. Bebus is intriguing for the speculative possibilities that he represents,becausehe ends up, of course, as a senior administrator in "A7A of the ;ennedy 7pace &light Center

during the Apollo program. As an administrator, then, this means that he has his fingers inalmost every pie there is inside "A7A and thus has a very clear picture of what’s really goingon.

-his is intriguing, then, for yet other reasons. As I make clear in 77 %rotherhood, Bebus wasan ardent "a#i, and nearly created chaos in the %ell pro!ect by denouncing a fellow engineer tothe Gestapo. e of the firms involved with the %ell, the Allgemeine +lektricitNts GemeinshaftA.G. had to intervene to free the man whom Bebus had denounced to allow the pro!ect tocontinue.

It is due to this intervention that we know that the %ell was given its own uni)ue

classification. -he highest classification, in fact, in the -hird 8eich. A classification that madethe %ell not only a Geheime 8eichsache but also ;riegsenscheidend or 'ar Becisive/. Aclassification found in absolutely no other secret pro!ect in all of "a#i Germany including itssuccessful fuel$air and atom bomb pro!ects.

%ut beyond this, Bebus is interested for what his specialty in 7cience was and for hisconnection both to von %raun’s *eenemOnde rocket team and to the %ell pro!ect. Connectionswhich were $$ in each case $$ direct.

'ith Bebus, then, we have one of those overlaps/ that is so characteristic of the;ammlerstab. Bebus was the man who designed the powerplant for the %ellL "ow this is very

intriguing to me because his specialty was the measurement of etremel% high +oltage directcurrent discharges. 7hades of "ikola -eslaL

I find this very suggestive for I present evidence in the book $$ based on 'itkowski’sobservations $$ that the %ell may have also been a pulsed device utili#ing 19 BC pulses, It is afact made more interesting because the "a#is apparently built an entire power plant very near the%ell’s test sites in lower 7ilesia. A fact that would possibly indicate another connection to theuse of BC electricity in the device since close pro(imity to such a power source would have beenre)uired if BC were used, much like +dison’s BC power plants would have had to have been placed every few miles or so for practical electrification along BC lines.

%ut whatever one makes of these speculations, Bebus is interesting of course because heends up as a senior administrator in a space flight center in "A7A during the Apollo programAnd his specialty is not even rockets at allL I suggest in the book that this is because there mayhave been a hidden or alternati+e technolog% involved in the =unar +(cursion 0odule =+0Dthat got us && the 0oon.

*lease don’t get me wrong here. I’m not one of those Apollo was hoa(ed/ people at all. Iam not even remotely sympathetic to such views. %ut I do share the concern that I don’t reallysee the signatures of a rocket taking off from the 0oon in those films of the =+0s taking off. Itdoesn’t look like an acceleration that is geometric enough to be a rocket. It !ust sort of pops up/

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and off it goes at more$or$less it looks to meD like uniform velocity. -hough I must admit Ihaven’t actually done any measurements or not to see if this is the case. I am merely reportingwhat my eyes see and my mind tells me based upon those perceptions.

7o lacking this geometric enough/ signature of a rocket’s acceleration, we might be dealingwith an alternative technology $$ i.e., a field propulsion technolog% $$ in getting us && the0oon. And the presence of Bebus in "A7A in his position would be the perfect place both to place someone who was once involved in such a pro!ect as well the perfect place to put someone

in order to keep that technology )uiet.

In short, the E*aperclipE "a#is in "A7A reconstructed as much of that technology as theycould and used it to get us off of a 0oon which they possibly knew to be more massive than popularly reported which $$ if that was the case $$ would have made a return vehicle basedmerely on rockets impractical.

AAG: As I understand things, in 77 %rotherhood of the %ell you challenge the notion that E0a!estic$4Ewas founded in response to a & crash in 8oswell and instead speculate that they weresomehow a product of American worries about these "a#i technologies, right Can youelaborate a bit of this notion

&arrell: 'ell, it’s an idea that I elaborate on in both in 8eich of the %lack 7un and in the 77 %rotherhoodof the %ell. %asically I do not )uestion the 8oswell crash or the 0P$4 Cooper$Cantwheeldocuments. I accept them as givens/ in order to make an academic argument $$ i.e., to presentan alternative e(planation of the crash and the documents’ own contents.

As such, many people do not really understand what I’m trying to do and misinterpret it. Inshort, my method is to e(amine the internal evidence of the documents themselves by way of acomparison to known "a#i secret weapons pro!ects such as the Coanda effect saucers and so on.And to compare these known technologies with the technological descriptions found in thedocuments themselves.

-he long and short of it is that the documents do not describe a technology e(otic enough to be e&traterrestrial . -hough they do describe a technology e(otic enough to be "a#i. -hus thedocuments themselves also allude time and again to the involvement of the *aperclip/ people inthe assessment of the crashed vehicle.

7o in my view, what really would have set the alarm bells ringing in the American militarywas if something "a#i had crashed there. &or it would mean that the former defeated/ enemywas alive, well, and continuing its pro!ects somewhere out there. n this view, then, the +-/line $$ at least as far as 8oswell is concerned $$ would merely have been a final deeply embeddedlayer of disinformation. A final deep cover/ story to cover up the e(otic though still terrestrialD

and "a#i nature of what was recovered there.

AAG: 6ou know, I think Br 7trangelove/ effectively made the point that e($"a#i scientists had theirown agendas. And letting them work in our Government after the 'ar might have someunintended conse)uences. In ;ubrick’s film, 7trangelove mistakenly calls our *resident 0ein&Ohrer/ on 4 occasions, suggesting that these scientists had their own agendas regardless ofwhich government they worked for. Any thoughts on this

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&arrell: I believe I’ve answered this in some respects with my ;ecksburg and 8oswell speculations. %utto e(pand on it a bit, E*aperclipE was but the tip of the iceberg in post$'ar "a#i penetration ofvarious departments of the American Government.

'e must remember that long before *resident -ruman had even signed the "ational 7ecurityAct of F which created the CIA and "7AD, their civilian character and charter was alreadyseverely compromised by the fact that the CIA’s predecessor the 77D had taken overElock,stock,and barrelE General 8einhard Gehlen’s &remde 1eere st or &oreign Armies +ast/

$ the 'ehrmacht’s military intelligence on the +astern frontD inside of the 7oviet nion and+astern +urope.

&rom a certain standpoint, then, the entire 7oviet perations and Analysis/ desk of the CIAwas staffed almost entirely by "a#is who remained under Gehlen’s direct control. And theAmerican who did this wonderful service/ for our country was none other than 77 <urichstation chief @llen Dulles. I’ll let your readers work out the connections and implications fromthere because it’s horrifying.

AAG: %efore this interview, we had a few interesting conversations on topics relating to ''II secretweapons. It seems that references to '.A. 1arbinson’s *ro!ekt 7aucer series keep coming up

+specially in reference to his fictional novel Genesis/ which speculates that the worldwidewave of & sightings that started in F might actually have been from "a#i technologydeveloped near the end of the 'ar. 1ow do you think this fits with your speculation about theorigin of 0a!estic$4

&arrell: 'ell, it fits )uite well with it. In fact, one thing that I find rather unusual is that so manynovelists seemed to be ahead of the curve of more factually$based researchers on this )uestion&or e(ample, years before 'itkowski’s research was published in fact, $$before even the Germanreunification itself $$ the famous novelist Bean ;oont# wrote a novel called E=ightningE. It isabout a German secret weapon which is a time#tra+el/ machine.

'hile that sounds rather e(traordinary and fanciful, it is ;oont#’s descriptions of hisfictional time machine that give one pause for he describes a rotating cylinder using tremendouselectrical power which gives off some e(treme electrostatic displays and effectsL "ow I find thata little too coincidental to be coincidental. 1ow did ;oont# know this or come up with this

1arbison’s *ro!ekt 7aucer novels are another case in point, as you observe. %ut what I findvery interesting with his novels is that there is no real parallel with the %ell while there are plentyof parallels with the Coanda +ffect and 7chuaberger devices. %ut 1arbison is interesting precisely because his novels present the view that this type of research was continued by someindependent group of "a#is after the 'ar.

-hen there’s 0artin Caidin’s novel E-he 0endelov ConspiracyE in which, again, anindependent group of somewhat cranky scientists pursues their independent technologicaldevelopment of saucers.

"ow here’s the decisive point. -he only hard evidence that e(ists tends to point to the line ofcontinued "a#i post$'ar research3development and not to any other group. -his evidence onceagain, consists of:

D -he disappearance of the %ell, its documentation, and General ;ammlerQ



4D -he establishment of a plasma physics research lab in %ariloche province in Argentina byGeneral *eron. A facility established for his "a#i scientists. 7uch a laboratory would be congruent with the type of physics and engineering involved with the %ellQ

5D General ;ammler and the %ell disappear, apparently, in a massive K$engined Punkers 5F@heavy$lift airplane $$ a plane capable of flying non$stop from +urope$to$ArgentinaQ

D Geoffrey %rooks’ evidence based allegedly on e(amination of classified Argentinegovernment documentsD that ;ammler and the %ell did indeed fly into ArgentinaQ

and finally and no less important,

2D the probable disappearance of the "a#i financial mastermind 0artin %ormann $$ de factoand most probable chief of any post$'ar "a#i International/$$ into 7outh America asthe research of =adislas &arago AftermathD and others indicated. And %ormann’s andthe post$war "a#i International’s/ deep financial penetration into various corporationsand also into criminal syndicates.

-here’s your money supply.

0y belief, then, is that if there was a continued and independently coordinated and controlled "a#i development of their wartime black pro!ects, that this was probably done not only in totally

independent pro!ects but also inside/ of the black pro!ects of other nations using those nations’own compartmentali#ed security features against them and to cloak their own covertlycoordinated activities. 'hen one thinks about it, it would not be all that difficult to do. And italso supplies another source of funding.

AAG: Interestingly, in 1arbinson’s later novel Inception/, he speculates that secret$weapons andadvanced propulsion technology have been around for decades before the 'ar. And thatGermany’s involvement during the 'ar came only from being fertile ground in which to develope(isting technological concepts. Bo you think there’s any merit to that notion

&arrell: 6es, I definitely do think there’s merit to it. And in fact, present evidence that the %ell pro!ect

may have been the legacy of secret research actually begun under the 'eimar 8epublic and $$again $$ under the aegis of 'alther Gerlach.

As Col. -om %earden has never tired of pointing out, one of the seminal papers for scalar/ physics was the paper ;5n the artial Differential Cuations of Mathematical h%sics> byrenowned h%sicist C.&. hittaker. It is a paper which I have and have read repeatedly.

It is as breathtaking as %earden makes it out to be. %ut what I think he misses to a certaine(tent is the significance of where it was published. In athematische Annalen in Germany.

7o we have a very fertile conceptual and socio$scientific climate inside Germany with figures

like Gerlach, -hirring who was actually AustrianD, +instein, 1ilgenberg, ;rafft, and so on whocan look at certain e(periments $$ or for that matter, certain tensor epressions in +instein’s late4@sR and early 5@sR versions of his nified &ield -heory $$ and conclude that locally engineerablestresses in space$time H a kind of h%per#relati+it%/ H was possible via certain types of plasmaand electromagnetic phenomena.

'ith 1ilgenberg, particularly, we have an entirely worked out vorticular theory of themedium that is an alternative to relativisitic physics and therefore would have been of interest tothe "a#is. And Gerlach, of course, would certainly have had the mental prowess capable ofdressing up +instein’s &- $$ or even of e(tending it $$ and making it presentable to the "a#is.

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AAG: 'hat does strike me about this pre$'ar secret weapons/ notion is that nified &ield -heoryresearch became well$known with ;alu#a$;lein -heory in F4 which was one of +instein’sown inspirations in trying to unify gravitation with the other forces. Boes it seem difficult toimagine military$scientists attempting applied physics pro!ects during the 'ar that migh produce effects like those described in the %ell e(periment

&arrell: h no, not at all. In fact, not !ust ;alu#a$;lein but there is also 9aclac 1lavaty’s K dimensionale(tension of it S if I recall correctly, it was K dimensions. 7omeone like Gerlach could certainly

have e(tended these theories and additionally would have been able to appreciate thelongitudinal wave work of -esla or, for that matter, would have understood the enormoussignificance of 'hittaker’s paper. And his student, of course, was 1ilgenberg.

AAG: I understand that you’re a deeply spiritual man with a *hB in *atristics $$ the study of early pre?th CenturyD Christianity. As someone with a deep and abiding spiritual faith, is it difficult towrite about topics involving the type of evil that the "a#i’s seem to have embodied

&arrell: "o. Tuite the reverse, actually. In a way, it’s almost a moral imperative to write about it and towarn people of the nastier and destructive implications of these types of technologies. %y thesame token, I’m not a =uddite and don’t believe technologies like this can or should be

suppressed.

7imilarly, though, it gives me a perspective from which to appreciate the possible ethically$sound reasons why various elites would wish to suppress such technologies. &or they are $$ as Ihave already averred $$ capable of spawning a proliferation nightmare of weapons far moredangerous than hydrogen bombs and $$ from a certain standpoint $$ weapons much easier todesign, engineer, and assemble.

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Any physics based on these types of stresses in the medium or in local space$time curvature$$ whether one calls it Etorsion physicsE or Escalar physicsE or E)uantum potential physicsE orwhatever $$ has the potential for weaponi#ation of !ust horrendously destructive capabilities.

I’m trying to let people know that in addition to the many good benefits that such a physicswould have $$ benefits many others have written about $$ that this physics also has some verydisturbing negative potentials as well. And that to handle them, we should have some spiritualenlightenment or maturity. It is in a way similar to +instein’s activism in his later life for he also

had his religious and philosophical foundations. And these, in turn, gave him some uni)ueinsights into the ethical problems posed by modern physics.

AAG: Is it possible that the public’s fascination with "a#i secret$weapons might be a type of copingmechanism to let us avoid having to emotionally deal with the evils of that 'ar Certainly''II embodied depravity on an entirely new level. And I wonder if perhaps some of themythology surrounding secret$weapons might not be a means of avoiding the cold, hard realityof the atrocities that occurred during that period. Is it more comfortable for us to think ofscientists in white coats building &’s than to think of groups of starving prisoners huddled inwar camps and being slaughtered in numbers too large to count

&arrell: 'ell, it might be possible to imagine that. And perhaps that forms some of the motivations forsome people. %ut if so, they are massively misinformed. As I point out in both books $$ but particularly in 8eich of the %lack 7un $$ the "a#is were able to fulfill the massive laborre)uirements of their atom bomb program and other secret weapons pro!ects with concentrationcamp slave labor which was, of course, unfortunately e(pendable.

'hat we must absolutely recogni#e is that all "a#i secret weapons including the %ell were purchased at an enormous and incalculable cost in human suffering and misery and not !ust theirrockets. -his is why their atom bomb pro!ect was so easy to portray as an inept, bunglingmiserly$funded effort when in fact it was none of those things.

AAG: I’d like to close by asking where people can buy a copy of 77 %rotherhood of the %ell as well aslearning about any plans or ideas for future books that you might working on. 'hat’s ne(t fromPoseph &arrell,and when do you e(pect we’ll see it

&arrell: 0ost %arnes3"obles around the country carry it. And if they do not, they can special order itAnd of course, Ama#on.com carries it. r people can contact the publisher Adventuresnlimited *ress directly at $?@@$?$2 or online. If they contact the publisher directlythere’s a @U discount on 5$or$more books.

I !ust finished a new book called -he Cosmic 'ar: Interplanetary 'arfare, 0odern *hysicsand Ancient -e(ts which should be out by the fall of 4@@. I am also scratching some notes

down for a couple of ideas for 4 different books. ne is kind of a se)uel to %rotherhood and theother has to do more with hidden political histories of the 7econd 'orld 'ar.

-he Cosmic 'ar more$or$less e(tends the method I’ve used in my other books of takingmodern conceptions in alternative physics and using them to e(amine some ideas in ancientte(ts.

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Dr. oseph . !arrell is an internationally-%nown author and researcher in Tesla studies and esoteric

technology. /e is the author of se)eral boo%s on topics from 0gypt to ''11 and is a retired

2ni)ersity rofessor specializing in the study of atristics 3the study of pre 4 th 5entury5hristianity6. !or additional information$ contact him )ia email at 7ardas89aol.com.

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-itolo: 7ecrets of the nified &ield: -he *hiladelphia +(periment, the "a#i %ell, and the Biscarded

-heoryAutore: &arrell, Poseph *.*re##o: V 2,2Categoria: %ody, 0ind 3 7pirit: &s 3 +(traterrestrials8ilegatura: *aperback Bati: 5K p.Q ill.Anno: 4@@?+ditore: Adventures nlimited *ress

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7e)uel to the 77 %rotherhood of the %ell. 'hat do the 7econd 'orld 'ars two most famous secret pro!ects $$ the *hiladelphia +(periment and the "a#i %ell $$ have in common Alternative history andscience researcher Poseph *. &arrell asks this )uestion and comes to stunning conclusions.

8e!ecting the nonsense that has become associated with both pro!ects and documenting his case fromscientific sources newly$discovered declassified 'ar Bepartment documents eyewitness testimonies&arrell maintains that both pro!ects originated in careful considerations of +insteinRs celebrated and nowdiscarded nified &ield -heory. 1e demonstrates the breathtaking conclusions of wartime Americanand German scientists and engineers: while incomplete- it ne+ertheless was engineera$le.

Indice e argomenti trattati

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*reface. -ensors, -orsion, and 'ringing an Aluminum Can

A. A %rief 1istory of the nified &ield -heory Cra#e of the F4@Rs and F5@Rs%. -he -orsion -ensor

. -he 0eanings of E-orsionE4. 'ringing an Aluminum Can5. -he 0istake in nified &ield -heories and -heir Biscarding by Contemporary *hysics

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. %ut 7ome +ngineers -ook "otice Anyway4. A =ittle$;nown 1ungarian Genius and the &orgotten 9erification: Gabriel ;ron and +insteinRs

nified &ield -heoryA. Introduction%. A %rief %iography of Gabriel ;ronC. -he -heme of ;ronRs 'ork: -he -ensor Analysis of +lectrical 0achines

. -ensors before ;ron and the 8eception of ;ronRs 'ork4. ;ron on -ensors and -heir +lectrical +ngineering Applications: 1is %asic 0ethod

5. -he -ransformation -ensor and +lectrical 0achines. 8otating 0achines, 7ystems, and -orsion

B. 7ummary and Conclusions5. -hree 8outes to the Boomsday 'eapon: Tuantum *otential, -orsion, and 9ortices: ne -heory

0any -echnical ApplicationsA. A Consideration of the *ractical 8esearch *lans to be *ursued in the *hiladelphia +(periment

and the %ellRs *ro!ekt ;ronos*hase ne*hase -wo

%. -he 7ignificance of the %asic 0ethod *reviously utlined

*A8- -': -1+ A0+8ICA" 71I* A"B -1+ ACCIB+"-A= BI7C9+86

. &irst Bisclosure: -he E9aroE +dition of 0orris PessupRs -he Case for the &sA. A %rief 1istory of the 9aro Annotated +dition%. -he Contents of the 9aro Annotated +dition

. Gray %arkera. 1is *reface b. A "ecessary -angent: %arkerRs wn 7trange 7tory

4. -he Actual "8 Introduction to the 9aro +dition5. PessupRs Ideas in -he Case for the & and 7ome 9aro Annotations

a. -he Anti)uity of 0an

b. 0egaliths and =evitationc. Pessup and a 9aro Annotation Concept: Interplanetary 'ar and the +(ploded *lanet

1ypothesisd. Pessup on the *aleoancient 9ery 1igh Civili#atione. PessupRs EInvisible 7oliditiesE and the 9aro Commentf. -he Artificiality of 0arsR 7atelliteg. 7oviet E7calarE 8esearchh. Close *ro(imate rigin of &si. -he *hiladelphia +(periment Itself, and Its 'ithdrawa

C. Conclusions2. 7econd Bisclosure: Charles %erlit# and -he %ermuda -riangle

A. -he Interview with PessupRs &riend, Br. 0anson 9alentine. Pessup on EControlled 0agnetismE and ptical Invisibility4. 9alentine as the 7ource for %erlit#Rs ;nowledge of PessupRs Ideas on Controlled 0agnetism5. 9alentine on PessupRs EInvisible 7oliditesE. 9alentineRs Accont of PessupRs 9ersion of the *hiladelphia +(periment

%. -he Clues and -heir ImplicationsK. -hird Bisclosure: Charles %erlit#, 'illiam 0oore, and -he *hiladelphia +(periment: *ro!ect

InvisibilityA. General bservations%. An Additional Betail Concerning PessupRs 7uicide

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C. -he 7trange 0eeting in Colorado 7pringsB. +instein

. 1is 'artime +mployment by the 7 "avy4. +insteinRs nified &ield -heory of F4?

+. -he 1istory of the 77 +ldridge&. -he 0oore$E8inehartE InterviewG. -he -homas -ownsend %rown Connection1. AllendeRs 7henanigans

I. 'hat 7tarted it All: -he =etters of Carlos 0iguel Allende to Br. 0orris ;. Pessup. -he 7econd Allende =etter4. A %rief Analysis of the =etter5. -he -hird Allende =etter. A %rief Analysis of the -hird Allende =etter2. &inal -houghts

. -he Corum *roof of Concept +(periment: -he Importance of nanticipated "on$=inear +ffectsA. -he Conceptual 1istory of the *hiladelphia +(periment According to the Corums and Baum

. -eslaRs 0eeting with &B84. Arnold 7ommerfeld and +lectromagnetic 8adar 7tealth

a. 0agnetic *ermeabilities of -wo 0edia

b. +lectromagnetic *hase Con!ugations, *hase Con!ugate 0irrors, and -emplatesc. %ack to 7ommerfeld: *ermeability and Bielectric Constant

%. -he Corum$Baum +(periment and its 8esults. Initial 7urface Impedance 0easuremants and its 8esults4. A 7econd +(periment

C. -he Corum$Baum Analysis of the 0oore$E8inehartE InterviewB. -he Corum$Baum Analysis of the -orsion -ensor: A 7peculative %asis for AllendeRs

Invisibility and -eleportation Claims, and the Importance of nanticipated "on$=inear+ffects

?. -he 1istory of the 77 +lebidge B+$5D and Carlos Allende, 8econsidered: r -he 7trangeCase of the 8esearchers 'ho 'ere "ever 1eard &rom Again

A. -he 0issing =ogbooks and the %road utlines of -heir 8econstruction of the EAt 7eaE -est%. -he *u##le of the &urusethRs 0issing =ogbooksC. -he Convoy G7$2Rs EAfter ActionE 8eport and the &urusethRs 7ecret =ogsB. 0ore on the ConvoyRs EAfter ActionE 8eports

. And the EGreen 9ery 7tarE4. E8omping AheadE5. And +rasing =og +ntries. 8omping Ahead, nescorted

+. *ulling it All -ogetherF. Conclusions, Cover$ps, Cabals, and Connections

*A8- -18++: -1+ "A<I %+== A"B -1+ I"-+"-I"A= '+A*"

@: -he Allies 0iss the ClueA. -he ;ammlerstab and Its 7urvival: 0issing the Clues of the 7hape of the *ost$'ar "a#i

International%. -he 7cattered Clues to the 7cience

. -he 0otorstoppmittel, or E0ethod to 7top 0otorsE4. -he Gut Alt Golssen &acility5. -he 1ar# 0ountain E-ime 0achineE 8umor

C. A "ecessary and Intriguing -angent



. -he E7wastika -ensor,E r, E1ow +insteinRs -orsion -ensor 0ay 1ave &ound a 1ome in the'affen 77E

A. -he 7wastika as a 7implified 7chematic of 8otating 7tresses in the 0edium or &abric of7pace$-ime

. A 7implified E-ensorE Analysis of the 7wastika 'ith Apologies to 0athematicians and*hysicistsD

%. A 1ypothesi#ed 7cenario: Br. Gerlach Boes a 1ard 7ell of -orsion to the 77C. -he Implications of the -orsion -ensor: -he E*rimitive 0achineE of the %ell: -he -wo

Counter$8otating Cylinders in the %ell, and -heir *robable Configuration. A %asic 8eview of the Bimensions and perating *arameters of the %ell4. -he nified &ield -heory, the -orsion -ensor, and Igor 'itkowskiRs Idea of the *lasma

&ocus5. 8ationali#ations for the *resence of 8adioactive +lements in Compound 7olution with

0ercury in EJerum 242E, and for the se of ltra$1igh 7peed 0echanical 8otation inthe %ell

. 8ationali#ation for the se of 1igh 9oltage BC Bischargea. And a *eculiar Connection to the *hiladelphia +(periment: A 9aro Annotated

+dition CommentaryB. A 7peculative 7olution to the Involvement in the %ell *ro!ect of the 0ysterious Br. +li#abeth

Adler of the niversity of ;Wnigsberg, and Its 8elationship to Another *ossible-heoretical and Conceptual &oundation for the %ell

+. Gerlach %usies 1imself with %ismuth and &erromagnetism4. -he Bisturbing *arallels: -he %ell, the 7hip, and the 7uppression

A. Conceptual and *arameter 7imilarities%. 7imilarities of %iological +ffectsC. -he 0ost Bisturbing 7imilarity: -heir BisappearanceB. -wo Curious -hings

. -he "- *hoto with 9on %raun4. -he C#ech Incident

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