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nlafferty Hello everyone - tonight's #meded chat is on interprofessional educationThu Jun 23 13:00:44 PDT 2011

MedEdAMA Neat! @EinsteinMed RT @dianakost@FutureDocs: #Medstudents Create Free MedTranslation App for Barriers to Care http://t.co/JlcXUeM#mededThu Jun 23 13:01:12 PDT 2011

alasdairforrest @nlafferty Interprofessional education is a good topic for tonight's #mededThu Jun 23 13:01:37 PDT 2011

hipp0campus RT @alasdairforrest: @nlafferty Interprofessional education is a good topic fortonight's #mededThu Jun 23 13:01:45 PDT 2011

nlafferty @alasdairforrest Hi Alasdair - good to have you with us, will be interesting to hearyour thoughts on interprofessional education #mededThu Jun 23 13:02:41 PDT 2011

kevfrost @nlafferty: Hello, hospital pharmacist educating (in a sense :) people on goodantibiotic use #mededThu Jun 23 13:02:47 PDT 2011

Neil_Mehta @nlafferty I am lurking... may get a chance to post #mededThu Jun 23 13:03:42 PDT 2011

nlafferty @kevfrost Hello - teaching on good antibiotic use is a priority with us so will beinterested to hear how you approach this #mededThu Jun 23 13:04:02 PDT 2011

nlafferty @Neil_Mehta Hello Neil - good to have you lurking #mededThu Jun 23 13:04:41 PDT 2011

Neil_Mehta Am trying to set up a curriculum for chronic disease care where med students, pharmstudents and SW students collaborate #meded
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Thu Jun 23 13:06:10 PDT 2011

amcunningham I am having connection issues! Anne Marie, GP in Cardiff #mededThu Jun 23 13:06:59 PDT 2011

MhairiHepburn hello! #mededThu Jun 23 13:07:32 PDT 2011

alasdairforrest Alasdair Forrest, medical student (until graduation tomorrow) @DundeeUniv . #mededThu Jun 23 13:07:42 PDT 2011

nlafferty @kevfrost Do you link with infectious diseases teaching re teaching on prudentantiobiotic prescribing or with patient safety agenda #mededThu Jun 23 13:08:26 PDT 2011

amcunningham @jvalaball@GPL41@welsh_gas_doc@topknife1@drsarahjonas#meded chat nowon interprofessional learning if you're interested :)

Thu Jun 23 13:08:27 PDT 2011

alasdairforrest @Neil_Mehta SW involvement would be interesting. Had some of that in my final-yearaddictions special study module, but nowhere else. #mededThu Jun 23 13:08:36 PDT 2011

nlafferty @MhairiHepburn Hi Mhairi we're chatting about interprofessional education tonight#mededThu Jun 23 13:09:00 PDT 2011

DrDLittle #meded have used interprofessional learning in simulation with med students and

nursing studentsThu Jun 23 13:09:15 PDT 2011

amcunningham @gradmedchris@LizzyFerret@D_Rodders@fidouglas#meded chat oninterprofessional education now if you're interested:)Thu Jun 23 13:09:33 PDT 2011

kevfrost @nlafferty#meded both in different contexts, according to the roles that different staffmembers play.Thu Jun 23 13:09:53 PDT 2011

MhairiHepburn @alasdairforrest graduation tomorrow? wow! hope you have a great day, andcongratulations! #mededThu Jun 23 13:09:57 PDT 2011

nlafferty @DrDLittle#meded same here at Dundee - we have a new ward simulation facilitywhich support thisThu Jun 23 13:10:09 PDT 2011

Neil_Mehta @alasdairforrest US Health care system is so complex that the SW plays a key role tohelp navigate it.#mededThu Jun 23 13:10:25 PDT 2011

amcunningham Any nurses, midwives, OTs, SWs, physios out there who'd like to join out #meded chaton interprofessional education now? #mededThu Jun 23 13:11:16 PDT 2011
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Neil_Mehta @alasdairforrest#meded Glad to hear that (I think) ;-)Thu Jun 23 13:11:22 PDT 2011

nlafferty @kevfrost Do you use the PAUSE website to support any of your teaching #mededhttp://bit.ly/jp8guAThu Jun 23 13:11:26 PDT 2011

kevfrost @nlafferty#meded i.e. discouraging broad spectrum antibiotic use to docs encouragesbetter diagnostics (they have to think what theyre 1/2Thu Jun 23 13:11:32 PDT 2011

amcunningham So wondering if any of you have had experience of IPE? How did it go? #mededThu Jun 23 13:12:07 PDT 2011

Neil_Mehta @nlafferty@kevfrost#meded Did not know about PAUSE - just bookmarked itThu Jun 23 13:13:01 PDT 2011

celticchickadee RT @amcunningham: Any nurses, midwives, OTs, SWs, physios out there who'd liketo join out #meded chat on interprofessional education now? #mededThu Jun 23 13:13:05 PDT 2011

amcunningham @AndyRKett have you remembered that we're talking about IPE on #meded chattonight? :)Thu Jun 23 13:13:09 PDT 2011

LizzyFerret @amcunningham Thanks, Will lurk a wee bit :) #mededThu Jun 23 13:13:09 PDT 2011

LizzyFerret RT @amcunningham: Any nurses, midwives, OTs, SWs, physios out there who'd liketo join out #meded chat on interprofessional education now? #mededThu Jun 23 13:13:27 PDT 2011

topknife1 #meded interesting topic. Tough issue! Limited experience though find people tend totribalise everything! Nurses v docs etcThu Jun 23 13:13:51 PDT 2011

alasdairforrest @amcunningham Had fairly useful IPE with nursing students in early years, and goodIPE with dental students. #mededThu Jun 23 13:14:00 PDT 2011

amcunningham @mariawolters@arripay@RhiannonBluemel@NurseMcGinty talking IPE on #mededchat just now if you'd like to join!Thu Jun 23 13:14:02 PDT 2011

nlafferty @Neil_Mehta@kevfrost#meded - I think it's about to be updated - it's a bit oldfashioned looking now, but we use if with our 4th yrsThu Jun 23 13:14:02 PDT 2011

kevfrost @Neil_Mehta@nlafferty#meded Neither did I! #embarassedface Not seen it on anyBSAC communications.Thu Jun 23 13:14:46 PDT 2011
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carlylou @amcunningham I'd join but i've never had any interprofessional education! #mededThu Jun 23 13:15:12 PDT 2011

amcunningham I would have to say that IPE does not have a strong presence in Cardiff... #meded butmay be stronger in new curriculum #mededThu Jun 23 13:15:40 PDT 2011

alasdairforrest Is there any better way for a medical student to learn oral examination than to betaught it by a dental student, as I was? #mededThu Jun 23 13:15:57 PDT 2011

Neil_Mehta @amcunningham#meded On Wards today eavesdropped a nurse teaching a nursestudent about IV lines - I learned a lotThu Jun 23 13:15:59 PDT 2011

egosyntonically RT @amcunningham: Any nurses, midwives, OTs, SWs, physios out there who'd liketo join out #meded chat on interprofessional education now? #mededThu Jun 23 13:16:11 PDT 2011

topknife1 #meded I never got much from IPE as a student due to tribal behaviour. Easy trap tofall intoThu Jun 23 13:16:24 PDT 2011

amcunningham What are the benefits of IPE? When is the right time? #meded#mededThu Jun 23 13:16:34 PDT 2011

alasdairforrest @Neil_Mehta Many of the ward skills of 20-30 yrs ago are hidden from us, and onlynurses can teach newbies like me. #mededThu Jun 23 13:16:58 PDT 2011

amcunningham @carlylou well watch and learn:) #meded#mededThu Jun 23 13:16:59 PDT 2011

amcunningham RT @topknife1: #meded I never got much from IPE as a student due to tribalbehaviour. Easy trap to fall into #mededThu Jun 23 13:17:21 PDT 2011

welsh_gas_doc Too many 'chips-on-shoulders' and tribalism amongst specialties for IPE to really takeoff #mededThu Jun 23 13:17:25 PDT 2011

alasdairforrest @topknife1 You can still be tribal and hate the other side and have IPE. Maybedefeats the point, but still could work. #mededThu Jun 23 13:17:44 PDT 2011

nlafferty @amcunningham I suspect IPE could be improved in most places #mededThu Jun 23 13:17:50 PDT 2011

alasdairforrest RT @cringlem: #meded IPE. It's good up to a point. Fab as part of CRM andteamwork. Good in Life Support. Not good for academic topics.Thu Jun 23 13:18:09 PDT 2011
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welsh_gas_doc I worry that IPE will mean topics are aimed at lowest common denominator. We've allbeen on ALS courses where this happens. #mededThu Jun 23 13:18:10 PDT 2011

amcunningham @topknife1 I remember one day shortly after I came to Cardiff- virtually in fresherweek and already identities establishing #meded#mededThu Jun 23 13:18:12 PDT 2011

kevfrost @amcunningham#meded I know 1 prescribring course where the pharmacists feltthey were disadvantaged because it was "designed for nurses"Thu Jun 23 13:18:19 PDT 2011

DrDLittle @amcunningham really well with multiprofessional sim, added a whole newdimension. Works best when at roughly same level #MededThu Jun 23 13:18:23 PDT 2011

alasdairforrest RT @welsh_gas_doc: I worry that IPE will mean topics are aimed at lowest commondenominator. We've all been on ALS courses where this happens. #mededThu Jun 23 13:18:28 PDT 2011

nlafferty @MhairiHepburn We should take a look at that #mededThu Jun 23 13:18:34 PDT 2011

amcunningham @welsh_gas_doc medical specialties? #meded#mededThu Jun 23 13:18:38 PDT 2011

LizzyFerret RT @welsh_gas_doc: Too many 'chips-on-shoulders' and tribalism amongstspecialties for IPE to really take off #mededThu Jun 23 13:18:53 PDT 2011

NHS_GP @amcunningham Do we need to teach students how to be a doctor / nurse ... beforetrying to cross train? #mededThu Jun 23 13:19:02 PDT 2011

amcunningham @DrDLittle at same level? of course? is it better postgrad? #meded#mededThu Jun 23 13:19:07 PDT 2011

DrDLittle Worked less well with med students and qualified nurses for example@amcunningham#mededThu Jun 23 13:19:09 PDT 2011

topknife1 @amcunningham#meded much better as postgrad with people you know already.Think we all have IPE every day in workThu Jun 23 13:19:11 PDT 2011

amcunningham RT @topknife1: @amcunningham#meded much better as postgrad with people youknow already. Think we all have IPE every day in workThu Jun 23 13:19:25 PDT 2011

LizzyFerret @welsh_gas_doc So true! #mededThu Jun 23 13:19:30 PDT 2011

Lizz Ferret RT @welsh_gas_doc: I worry that IPE will mean topics are aimed at lowest common
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denominator. We've all been on ALS courses where this happens. #mededThu Jun 23 13:19:31 PDT 2011

amcunningham RT @NHS_GP: @amcunningham Do we need to teach students how to be a doctor /nurse ... before trying to cross train? #mededThu Jun 23 13:19:44 PDT 2011

topknife1RT @welsh_gas_doc: I worry that IPE will mean topics are aimed at lowest commondenominator. We've all been on ALS courses where this happens. #mededThu Jun 23 13:19:47 PDT 2011

welsh_gas_doc Simulator training with anaesthetists, ODPs and theatre nurses and assistants doeswork quite well though. #mededThu Jun 23 13:20:10 PDT 2011

Neil_Mehta #meded if we remember we can learn something from anyone - and a bit of respectand courage to start a conversation = IPE will happen.Thu Jun 23 13:20:12 PDT 2011

hullodave @amcunningham A lot of reaction seems to be "Why do I need to know this? It's notwhat I'm going to do." Which is a shame. #mededThu Jun 23 13:20:13 PDT 2011

amcunningham @NHS_GP I think that is a good point- you need to be heppy in your own skin beforeunderstanding another? #ipe#mededThu Jun 23 13:20:24 PDT 2011

kevfrost @topknife1@amcunningham certainly all our mandatory training is interprofessional(although rarely medics present) #mededThu Jun 23 13:20:44 PDT 2011

amcunningham RT @kevfrost: @amcunningham#meded I know 1 prescribring course where thepharmacists felt they were disadvantaged because it was "designed for nurses"Thu Jun 23 13:20:46 PDT 2011

alasdairforrest @cringlem W/ dentists for H&N and thorax anatomy, and with nurses for some basicward skills in 1st yr, like handwashing & life supp #mededThu Jun 23 13:21:15 PDT 2011

amcunningham RT @hullodave: #meded#ipe A lot of reaction seems to be "Why do I need to knowthis? Its not what Im going to do." Which is a shame. #mededThu Jun 23 13:21:51 PDT 2011

DrDLittle RT @welsh_gas_doc: I worry that IPE will mean topics are aimed at lowest commondenominator. We've all been on ALS courses where this happens. #mededThu Jun 23 13:21:52 PDT 2011

nlafferty @alasdairforrest did you do the IPE ethics stuff - curious to know what that's all about#mededThu Jun 23 13:21:58 PDT 2011

kevfrost @hullodave#meded I remember many saying this when I was a pharmacyundergraduate about specialisms within pharmacy :)

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amcunningham @hullodave how could it be improved? #mededThu Jun 23 13:22:15 PDT 2011

doseofnuxvomica @welsh_gas_doc: Simulator training with anaesthetists, ODPs and theatre nursesand assistants does work quite well though. #meded < yesThu Jun 23 13:22:17 PDT 2011

alasdairforrest @amcunningham@NHS_GP Does it matter if one half uses medical model and otherhalf of room nursing model? Does it cause problems? #mededThu Jun 23 13:22:19 PDT 2011

DrDLittle yes, an important point. @welsh_gas_doc#mededThu Jun 23 13:22:35 PDT 2011

amcunningham @alasdairforrest@NHS_GP half of room? was which purpose are these model?working or learning? #mededThu Jun 23 13:23:11 PDT 2011

welsh_gas_doc The week of nursing that med students do (in Cardiff) is pretty pointless; do nursingstudents follow the on-call F1? No. #mededThu Jun 23 13:23:13 PDT 2011

LizzyFerret @nlafferty@alasdairforrest the only ethics thing I remember doing is the "travellingtheatre company" think. Utterly cringeworthy! #mededThu Jun 23 13:23:20 PDT 2011

alasdairforrest @nlafferty I did indeed. I liked that, but the views varied did divide up between nursingand medical students! #mededThu Jun 23 13:23:42 PDT 2011

amcunningham @LizzyFerret was travelling theatre company about domestic violence and gp notbeing helpful? might have seen #mededThu Jun 23 13:24:08 PDT 2011

alasdairforrest @cringlem Ethics and ward work, like TPR and handwashing, and some IPcommunication, all in pre-clinical years. #mededThu Jun 23 13:24:16 PDT 2011

carlylou #meded this is really interesting I've never had formal IPE (I'm a nurse) but have learntso much from working with people and asking QsThu Jun 23 13:24:26 PDT 2011

amcunningham @welsh_gas_doc would it be useful if nursing students did follow the f1? #mededThu Jun 23 13:24:40 PDT 2011

LizzyFerret @welsh_gas_doc completely agree. I've raised this before; think it's pointless. #mededThu Jun 23 13:24:41 PDT 2011

topknife1 #meded simulator training in postgrad setting works. Everyone understands role in theteam. As student too much conflict about leadershipThu Jun 23 13:24:51 PDT 2011

nlaffert @alasdairforrest Was that the same as @lizzyferret described with the theatre
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company #ipe#mededThu Jun 23 13:25:03 PDT 2011

NHS_GP RT @welsh_gas_doc: The week of nursing that med students do (in Cardiff) is prettypointless; do nursing students follow the on-call F1? No. #mededThu Jun 23 13:25:15 PDT 2011

LizzyFerret@amcunningham no it was something about a HIV+ve student, their status and being"outed". #mededThu Jun 23 13:25:39 PDT 2011

carlylou @welsh_gas_doc perhaps they should though? To see the realities of the job ifnothing else (& know what to bleep for & what not) #mededThu Jun 23 13:25:48 PDT 2011

amcunningham @topknife1 does doctor always lead a resus team? #mededThu Jun 23 13:26:09 PDT 2011

alasdairforrest @cringlem Absolutely agree. #mededThu Jun 23 13:26:17 PDT 2011

welsh_gas_doc RT @carlylou: @welsh_gas_doc perhaps they should though? To see the realities ofthe job if nothing else (& know what to bleep for & what not) #mededThu Jun 23 13:26:21 PDT 2011

drsarahjonas @amcunningham great as part of work team, did paeds ward teaching today multi-prof really effective, but need base knowledge of role #mededThu Jun 23 13:26:40 PDT 2011

alasdairforrest @amcunningham In our IPE, did usually see nursing students ask medical students'advice, actually. #mededThu Jun 23 13:26:46 PDT 2011

amcunningham @LizzyFerret I wonder why theatre doesn't seem to work... too confrontational?#mededThu Jun 23 13:26:48 PDT 2011

welsh_gas_doc @amcunningham@topknife1 In theory, no. In practice, yes. #mededThu Jun 23 13:26:54 PDT 2011

neil_howie_uk @amcunningham#Meded I took part in an inter professional learning week last year,with a simulation of a cas (cont) http://deck.ly/~mbuKSThu Jun 23 13:27:11 PDT 2011

amcunningham RT @cringlem: #meded#ipe it's only good when we have to DO the same things. It'sno good when it's about depth of knowledgeThu Jun 23 13:27:23 PDT 2011

alasdairforrest The best IPE I've had was seeing MDTs work in areas where doctors are small part ofteam, such as Addictions clinic. #mededThu Jun 23 13:27:40 PDT 2011

amcunnin ham RT @drsarahjonas: @amcunningham great as part of work team, did paeds ward
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teaching today multi-prof really effective, but need base knowledge of role #mededThu Jun 23 13:27:57 PDT 2011

amcunningham RT @alasdairforrest: @amcunningham In our IPE, did usually see nursing studentsask medical students' advice, actually. #mededThu Jun 23 13:28:10 PDT 2011

LizzyFerret@amcunningham perhaps; tho also the issue of fictional role play & characteradoption - not everyone is an AmDram fan! #mededThu Jun 23 13:28:17 PDT 2011

nlafferty @alasdairforrest Respiratory system have introduced mock MDTs in 2nd year -students thought it was good #mededThu Jun 23 13:28:39 PDT 2011

DrDLittle @welsh_gas_doc did that as a 3rd year in Manchester. After first day it was a waste oftime #mededThu Jun 23 13:28:40 PDT 2011

amcunningham I know some unis try to do 'virtual' IPE... I've seen it presented at conferences!.. mightthat work? #mededThu Jun 23 13:28:51 PDT 2011

alasdairforrest @nlafferty We did mock MDT in GI, but all participants were medical students! Wasn'tso useful. #mededThu Jun 23 13:29:20 PDT 2011

amcunningham @LizzyFerret ok- the one I saw was professional actors... obviously different #mededThu Jun 23 13:29:21 PDT 2011

amcunningham @nlafferty how do they manage the mock MDT? do med students role-play other teammembers? #mededThu Jun 23 13:30:04 PDT 2011

alasdairforrest @amcunningham In Scotland, we do an HAI programme that is multidisciplinary. Verymuch nursing-based, which encouraged resentment. #mededThu Jun 23 13:30:08 PDT 2011

neil_howie_uk It certainly helps in IPE when all involved know the basics about the other professions,the IPE I did no one knew what a PA was (1/) #mededThu Jun 23 13:30:11 PDT 2011

drsarahjonas @alasdairforrest Agree I have had great IPE in CAMHS teams where medics smallpart #mededThu Jun 23 13:30:13 PDT 2011

doseofnuxvomica RT @carlylou: @welsh_gas_doc perhaps they should though? To see the realities ofthe job if nothing else (& know what to bleep for & what not) #mededThu Jun 23 13:30:39 PDT 2011

MhairiHepburn like the sound of mock mdts with students from different disciplines- might be hard 2organise though? has anyone done this? #mededThu Jun 23 13:30:42 PDT 2011

nlaffert @amcunningham#meded In Queensland they used VPs & had med, nursing & AHP
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students work through them & then co (cont) http://deck.ly/~wQ2xiThu Jun 23 13:30:49 PDT 2011

neil_howie_uk ...It meant the IPE kept stopping and starting as roles were explained (2/2) #mededThu Jun 23 13:30:55 PDT 2011

alasdairforrest Is formal IPE to be valued more than the constant informal IPE that goes on as part of

clinical attachments? #mededThu Jun 23 13:31:13 PDT 2011

LizzyFerret In a prof capacity Ive found IPE good when it had a ward/team based focus, as astudent w the cohorts of "diff sides" its less useful #mededThu Jun 23 13:31:27 PDT 2011

nlafferty @amcunningham You would need to ask @dundeechest - I just heard it was verysuccessful #mededThu Jun 23 13:31:29 PDT 2011

alasdairforrest @MhairiHepburn Mock MDTs would be particularly useful in Psychiatry teaching, withSW and psych nurses. #mededThu Jun 23 13:31:59 PDT 2011

welsh_gas_doc @Andywebster: agree just done trust induction where I was taught what a bacteriaand a virus...hardly good use of consultant time. #mededThu Jun 23 13:32:13 PDT 2011

alasdairforrest RT @welsh_gas_doc: @Andywebster: agree just done trust induction where I wastaught what a bacteria and a virus...hardly good use of consultant time. #mededThu Jun 23 13:32:26 PDT 2011

nlafferty @amcunningham Also students have attended MDT meetings with @dundeechestand again found it really good learning experience #mededThu Jun 23 13:32:40 PDT 2011

amcunningham RT @LizzyFerret: In a prof capacity Ive found IPE good when it had a ward/teambased focus, as a student w the cohorts of "diff sides" its less useful #mededThu Jun 23 13:32:55 PDT 2011

kevfrost @alasdairforrest certainly the MDTs I've been to have been very educational. Typically3 docs,2 nurses and 3-10 others #mededThu Jun 23 13:33:02 PDT 2011

cringlem @Andywebster: agree just done trust induction where I was taught what a bacteriaand virus.....hardly good use of consultant time. #mededThu Jun 23 13:33:34 PDT 2011

neil_howie_uk @nlafferty@amcunningham@dundeechest Agreed, MDTs in Psych placements wereVERY informative and made sense of it all #mededThu Jun 23 13:33:45 PDT 2011

nlafferty RT @kevfrost: @alasdairforrest certainly the MDTs I've been to have been veryeducational. Typically 3 docs,2 nurses and 3-10 others #mededThu Jun 23 13:33:45 PDT 2011

amcunnin ham @neil_howie_uk so how can you learn roles of others... do you think that happens
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well? #mededThu Jun 23 13:33:49 PDT 2011

alasdairforrest IPE cannot proceed on the falsehood that depth of knowledge required by differentprofessions is the same. That prevents engagement. #mededThu Jun 23 13:33:51 PDT 2011

MhairiHepburn2 make it work it needs 2 b planned by teachers from different disciplines working2gether not just one discipline teaching others #mededThu Jun 23 13:34:04 PDT 2011

loriblack #meded I've really enjoyed all the IPE we've had. Haven't necessarily learnt as muchfrom it though.Thu Jun 23 13:34:05 PDT 2011

drsarahjonas #meded not sure about mock MDTs - think it took me until a while into HO jobs to workout what a doctor did - let alone anyone else....Thu Jun 23 13:34:17 PDT 2011

amcunningham @alasdairforrest@MhairiHepburn still not quite getting the mock think... ie wiothstudents? #mededThu Jun 23 13:34:49 PDT 2011

alasdairforrest RT @drsarahjonas: #meded not sure about mock MDTs - think it took me until a whileinto HO jobs to work out what a doctor did - let alone anyone else....Thu Jun 23 13:34:56 PDT 2011

hullodave @amcunningham Not sure. Highlighting future clinical relevence, early introduction ofother professionals into simulation training? #mededThu Jun 23 13:35:15 PDT 2011

amcunningham @loriblack when do you think you've had IPE? #justasking :) #mededThu Jun 23 13:35:16 PDT 2011

LizzyFerret RT @alasdairforrest: IPE cannot proceed on the falsehood that depth of knowledgerequired by different professions is the same. That prevents engagement. #mededThu Jun 23 13:35:21 PDT 2011

silv24 RT @drsarahjonas: #meded not sure about mock MDTs - think it took me until a whileinto HO jobs to work out what a doctor did - let alone anyone else....Thu Jun 23 13:35:34 PDT 2011

neil_howie_uk @amcunningham I think there needs to be a list & description of all roles circulatedbefore IPE or an opportunity to meet 1st #mededThu Jun 23 13:35:40 PDT 2011

kevfrost Agree with what people are saying about IPE. Great when a common learningoutcome and starting from similar level of understanding #mededThu Jun 23 13:35:45 PDT 2011

loriblack #meded@amcunningham wouldn't virtual learning get rid of the hands-on nature ofthings like nursing placement? Making it less memorable?Thu Jun 23 13:35:47 PDT 2011

trixiebelle121 RT @welsh_gas_doc: Simulator training with anaesthetists, ODPs and theatre nurses
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and assistants does work quite well though. #mededThu Jun 23 13:36:05 PDT 2011

nlafferty @amcunningham@MhairiHepburn - for lung cancer mock MDTs I think the studentstook on different roles in the healthcare team #mededThu Jun 23 13:36:05 PDT 2011

alasdairforrest@amcunningham Exactly: we have a SW school & a nursing school @DundeeUniv .No other university in Scotland does. Good opportunity! #mededThu Jun 23 13:36:12 PDT 2011

hullodave @kevfrost Same in medicine about specialisms individuals aren't interested in. Can'timagine it'll ever stop. #mededThu Jun 23 13:36:14 PDT 2011

carlylou @alasdairforrest I think there is a depth of knowledge about diff things - that's why wehave different professions in the 1st place #mededThu Jun 23 13:36:45 PDT 2011

amcunningham @loriblack I guess people think of IPE as usually learning together, rather than justlearning about each other... #mededThu Jun 23 13:37:14 PDT 2011

DrDLittle Keep forgetting the bloody hashish. #mededThu Jun 23 13:37:24 PDT 2011

alasdairforrest @carlylou Quite right! Advanced nursing model is just different, not poorer in contentthan medical model. #mededThu Jun 23 13:37:25 PDT 2011

nlafferty @loriblack I think the VPs highlighted how medical and nursing students viewed thepatient quite differently #mededThu Jun 23 13:37:31 PDT 2011

welsh_gas_doc @DrDLittle Use Tweetchat, it adds the hashtag automatically #mededThu Jun 23 13:37:52 PDT 2011

DrDLittle Bloody autocorrect I meant hashtag NOT hashish #MededThu Jun 23 13:38:10 PDT 2011

neil_howie_uk @amcunningham#Meded It didn't help that the IPE required us to take on roles thatwere not our own at times (cont) http://deck.ly/~6bZiPThu Jun 23 13:38:13 PDT 2011

kevfrost @hullodave#meded but could we apply strategies to teach surgery towannabePsychiatrists to teach understanding of social work to physios?Thu Jun 23 13:38:14 PDT 2011

MhairiHepburn @amcunningham im thinking mock mdt with students of various disciplines- they'regiven story of mock pt & discuss the case together #mededThu Jun 23 13:38:18 PDT 2011

loriblack @nlafferty ah! Interesting! #mededThu Jun 23 13:38:28 PDT 2011
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alasdairforrest RT @MhairiHepburn: @amcunningham im thinking mock mdt with students of variousdisciplines- they're given story of mock pt & discuss the case together #mededThu Jun 23 13:39:02 PDT 2011

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Thu Jun 23 13:41:54 PDT 2011

DrDLittle Our 5th yrs did some IPE with pharmacy students but both groups had very differentneeds so session didnt work v.well #MededThu Jun 23 13:42:20 PDT 2011

neil_howie_uk @kevfrost it wasn't ideal and I think just badly organised. need multiple trainingproviders to come together #mededThu Jun 23 13:42:21 PDT 2011

hullodave @welsh_gas_doc I think that;s definitely true. Do you think it could be made useful?#mededThu Jun 23 13:42:35 PDT 2011

carlylou #meded our undergrads all do IPE ... But most units just use it as free labour to do anaudit or whatever - not sure how useful it is as edThu Jun 23 13:44:01 PDT 2011

welsh_gas_doc IPE only has a place in a simulator setting; not people pretending to be anotherprofession, or something that they're not. #mededThu Jun 23 13:44:01 PDT 2011

neil_howie_uk @alasdairforrest#meded difficult isn't it. At wolves we had PAs, nurses (all branches)midwives, social workers, NPs.Thu Jun 23 13:44:13 PDT 2011

DrDLittle @ClaireW62 what was format? #MededThu Jun 23 13:44:15 PDT 2011

nlafferty @AndyRKett I'm not sure what year of study these students were in Queensland. Ithink there is a big push on #IPE in Australia #mededThu Jun 23 13:44:16 PDT 2011

CommPharm RT @Neil_Mehta: #meded if we remember we can learn something from anyone - anda bit of respect and courage to start a conversation = IPE will happen.Thu Jun 23 13:44:21 PDT 2011

kevfrost #meded If I recall Nottingham Uni has joint lectures on disease management betweenpharmacy and medicine. Don't know extent of integration.Thu Jun 23 13:44:23 PDT 2011

amcunningham Is a problem with IPE that all students want to learn about the other roles... instead ofjust learning together? #mededThu Jun 23 13:44:31 PDT 2011

anaesthetists JAW welcomes all members of the multi-disciplinary team with an interest inanaesthesia! #mededThu Jun 23 13:45:23 PDT 2011

neil_howie_uk @amcunningham#meded Bham has all professions over 3 uni's, Wolves wasisolated, IPE needs to be locally tailored then?Thu Jun 23 13:45:25 PDT 2011

amcunningham @adrenalizer what did the physios and nurses think of the session? were thedisappointed too? #meded
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Thu Jun 23 13:45:34 PDT 2011

DrDLittle @welsh_gas_doc absolutely, that isn't IPE that is role play, and is almost alwaysuseless #MededThu Jun 23 13:45:43 PDT 2011

ClaireW62 @DrDLittle Yr 5 Medicine & Yr 4 Pharmacy students working in small groups -together - on a case led basis. Session leader excellent #mededThu Jun 23 13:46:09 PDT 2011

Neil_Mehta In US due to the concept of ACOs and PCMHs interdisciplinary care is finally cominginto vogue #mededThu Jun 23 13:46:22 PDT 2011

amcunningham @DrDLittle IPE is generally thought to be about professions learning together... likesimulator training... #mededThu Jun 23 13:46:34 PDT 2011

alasdairforrest @neil_howie_uk We have great teaching from pharmacists, but no students withwhom to do IPE. Nowhere in Scotland it could happen. #mededThu Jun 23 13:46:45 PDT 2011

jwebbery @amcunningham you can observe very different learning cultures, behavioursbetween the Ps in IPE #mededThu Jun 23 13:46:46 PDT 2011

amcunningham RT @ClaireW62: @DrDLittle Yr 5 Medicine & Yr 4 Pharmacy students working insmall groups - together - on a case led basis. Session leader excellent #mededThu Jun 23 13:47:03 PDT 2011

boygeekdrone The consensus reached by my friends was that IPE was horrible and always turned tomedic bashing. #MedEdThu Jun 23 13:47:32 PDT 2011

DrDLittle @amcunningham would be useful for all HCPs to know more about what other HCPsdo, not sure IPE is the best way of doing that #MededThu Jun 23 13:47:34 PDT 2011

nlafferty @alasdairforrest Pharmacy students in Aberdeen wonder if they do IPE with medicsthere? #mededThu Jun 23 13:47:47 PDT 2011

amcunningham @jwebbery have you experience of IPE or leading IPE? #meded wonder if needs'sophistication' to pick up on subleties?Thu Jun 23 13:47:49 PDT 2011

amcunningham RT @DrDLittle: @amcunningham would be useful for all HCPs to know more aboutwhat other HCPs do, not sure IPE is the best way of doing that #MededThu Jun 23 13:47:58 PDT 2011

Subintellectual IPE is a description, not a prescription. Simplistically it means nothing, but may be aframework for delivering valuable content #MededThu Jun 23 13:48:06 PDT 2011

nlafferty @AndyRKett What's been your experience overall of IPE as a nursing student #mededThu Jun 23 13:48:32 PDT 2011
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kevfrost @alasdairforrest#meded no pharmacy students? Robert Gordon Aberdeen andStrathclyde have school of pharmacyThu Jun 23 13:48:35 PDT 2011

amcunningham @BoyGeekDrone#meded what format did you sessions take? what were you learningabout?Thu Jun 23 13:48:43 PDT 2011

alasdairforrest @nlafferty At RGU, while medics at Aberdeen. No nursing students at Aberdeeneither! Nursing school at Glasgow closing, too! #mededThu Jun 23 13:48:46 PDT 2011

twchat @welsh_gas_doc if #meded is a regular chat, feel free to add it to Twitter Chat Schedhttp://bit.ly/chatlist Editable docThu Jun 23 13:49:06 PDT 2011

AndyRKett are all IPE session useful are those that take part fully prepared to make the mostfrom them #MededThu Jun 23 13:49:09 PDT 2011

Neil_Mehta #meded if we have to work together to care for patients, we have to learn how to dothat togetherThu Jun 23 13:49:09 PDT 2011

alasdairforrest @kevfrost Yes, but none at same institution as medical students. Would take someorganisation, I fear! #mededThu Jun 23 13:49:11 PDT 2011

silv24 @amcunningham we had three sets of online IPE - variety of students discussing apatient journey using Blackboard #mededThu Jun 23 13:49:19 PDT 2011

neil_howie_uk @alasdairforrest Is this where technology comes in? IPE on a PBL type case wichmixed groups across Scotland? #mededThu Jun 23 13:49:27 PDT 2011

amcunningham @Subintellectual have you any experience of IPE? #mededThu Jun 23 13:49:32 PDT 2011

welsh_gas_doc @twchat: @welsh_gas_doc if #meded is a regular chat, feel free to add it to TwitterChat Sched http://t.co/sk1ESnd Editable docThu Jun 23 13:49:35 PDT 2011

ClaireW62 @DrDLittle I agree - whole thing depended on session leader #mededThu Jun 23 13:49:38 PDT 2011

amcunningham ah!! RT @silv24: @amcunningham we had three sets of online IPE - variety ofstudents discussing a patient journey using Blackboard #mededThu Jun 23 13:49:46 PDT 2011

nlafferty @alasdairforrest Ah my mistake I thought pharmacy was at Aberdeen not RGU!#meded Midwifery at Dundee closing too!
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Thu Jun 23 13:49:50 PDT 2011

leonardkish RT @Neil_Mehta: #meded if we have to work together to care for patients, we have tolearn how to do that togetherThu Jun 23 13:49:54 PDT 2011

DrDLittle @silv24@amcunningham was that useful? #MededThu Jun 23 13:50:05 PDT 2011

amcunningham @silv24 wonder if it was your med school I saw the presentation about... was it anyuse? #mededThu Jun 23 13:50:14 PDT 2011

silv24 @amcunningham have to admit that many of us didn't find it useful, often lead to fairlystereotypical views being expressed #mededThu Jun 23 13:50:54 PDT 2011

amcunningham @Neil_Mehta but at what stage should we start that learning? do the bulk of it?

#mededThu Jun 23 13:50:56 PDT 2011

ross71521 When we did IPE, everyone was too junior to really get anything from it. We were alljust students back then. #MedEdThu Jun 23 13:50:58 PDT 2011

neil_howie_uk @amcunningham@silv24 That sounds a great way to get over the distance issues.#mededThu Jun 23 13:51:03 PDT 2011

AndyRKett @nlafferty some sessions were very good but i missed many due to being onplacement #mededThu Jun 23 13:51:08 PDT 2011

alasdairforrest @neil_howie_uk Did video-link. Inter-university education between final-year medicshas been tricky, too! #mededThu Jun 23 13:51:15 PDT 2011

Neil_Mehta @amcunningham#meded as usual you ask tough que! Progressively increasingamount through the curriculum?Thu Jun 23 13:52:07 PDT 2011

amcunningham @silv24 hmmm pity.. wonder what we can do to make better... I think better f2f ifpossible... or on twitter! #ipe#mededThu Jun 23 13:52:11 PDT 2011

neil_howie_uk @alasdairforrest No substitute for face to face work then! #mededThu Jun 23 13:52:13 PDT 2011

amcunningham @Neil_Mehta I am the woman of the tough questions!! :) #mededThu Jun 23 13:52:40 PDT 2011

loriblack @amcunningham I would agree that students more want to learn about roles thanlearn together. Difficult to address that problem #mededThu Jun 23 13:52:43 PDT 2011
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nlafferty Haven't St George's also used Second Life for IPE? #meded - I'm not sure about thevalue of 2nd LifeThu Jun 23 13:52:45 PDT 2011

alasdairforrest @neil_howie_uk Tribalism galore! We do placements with Glasgow & Edinburghstudents, and feel different in our skillset to them, too! #mededThu Jun 23 13:52:55 PDT 2011

cringlem Multi disciplinarily teaching French to 15yr old. Trust me it doesn't work #ipe#mededThu Jun 23 13:53:16 PDT 2011

amcunningham @silv24 yes, can't remember but very likely to have been warwick.. how did 'doctorbashing' manifest online? #mededThu Jun 23 13:53:24 PDT 2011

Neil_Mehta @amcunningham Haha probably should not use the #meded hashtag for this post?Thu Jun 23 13:53:42 PDT 2011

DrDLittle #meded thinking back, I didn't do any formal IPE as a student.Thu Jun 23 13:53:45 PDT 2011

nlafferty @patlockley Do medical students get involved in this with them? #mededThu Jun 23 13:54:17 PDT 2011

silv24 @amcunningham I found I learnt most about other professions during my clinicalplacements - you get to see their roles in action #mededThu Jun 23 13:54:18 PDT 2011

amcunningham RT @silv24: @amcunningham I found I learnt most about other professions during myclinical placements - you get to see their roles in action #mededThu Jun 23 13:54:35 PDT 2011

alasdairforrest RT @silv24: @amcunningham I found I learnt most about other professions during myclinical placements - you get to see their roles in action #mededThu Jun 23 13:54:37 PDT 2011

amcunningham @silv24 I very much agree that in practice is where it should happen.... maybe weshould try and build in more #mededThu Jun 23 13:55:06 PDT 2011

alasdairforrest @nlafferty Come to think of it, I think social work is closing here too! #mededThu Jun 23 13:55:08 PDT 2011

kevfrost @silv24: I found I learnt most about other professions during my clinical placements -you get to see their roles in action #meded


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nlafferty @alasdairforrest Gosh, I hadn't heard that, will need to check. #mededThu Jun 23 13:55:40 PDT 2011

cathieb IPE can happen between diff institutions. Nurse, medic & pharm students recent IPEward sim exercise in Dundee - acute medicine #mededThu Jun 23 13:55:57 PDT 2011

amcunningham @silv24 so people were leaving those comments on blogs or some kind of text-basedaccount/reflection? #mededThu Jun 23 13:56:14 PDT 2011

Neil_Mehta @nlafferty SL maybe better than nothing but nothing like face2face. Still the anonymitymight make for interesting research #mededThu Jun 23 13:56:30 PDT 2011

alasdairforrest @cathieb Didn't know that! #mededThu Jun 23 13:56:30 PDT 2011

nlafferty RT @cathieb: IPE can happen between diff institutions. Nurse, medic & pharmstudents recent IPE ward sim exercise in Dundee - acute medicine #mededThu Jun 23 13:56:42 PDT 2011

AndyRKett i am currently watching a program, they are talking about the importance of the porteras an essential member of a life saving team #meded.Thu Jun 23 13:56:43 PDT 2011

amcunningham @cathieb hello Cathie! What's your experience of this? What do you students think?pros and cons? #mededThu Jun 23 13:56:55 PDT 2011

doctorrah @DrDLittle#meded George's had 1st term combinedmedics/biomed/physio/nurses/radiographers when I was there (2001). Nice idea, didn'twork.Thu Jun 23 13:57:16 PDT 2011

nlafferty @cathieb What did your students think of the Ward Sim? I watched one of thesessions & thought it was fantastic! #meded#IPEThu Jun 23 13:57:26 PDT 2011

alasdairforrest I even found there was heavy contempt for being taught by a senior nurse orpharmacist, let alone learning with students. :( #mededThu Jun 23 13:57:46 PDT 2011

scottishphil83 @amcunningham best IPE we had was simply sharing lectures with pharmacystudents - made us realise they knew more than we did! #mededThu Jun 23 13:57:57 PDT 2011

amcunningham @doctorrah nice idea? but how did it work in practice? ist year is pretty early for #ipe Ithink .... #mededThu Jun 23 13:57:59 PDT 2011

amcunningham RT @scottishphil83: @amcunningham best IPE we had was simply sharing lectureswith pharmacy students - made us realise they knew more than we did! #mededThu Jun 23 13:58:06 PDT 2011
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silv24 @amcunningham it was on Blackboard with a discussion thread for each week whereyou would post, then write a reflection after #mededThu Jun 23 13:58:14 PDT 2011

LizzyFerret RT @silv24: @amcunningham I found I learnt most about other professions during myclinical placements - you get to see their roles in action #mededThu Jun 23 13:58:19 PDT 2011

cathieb @alasdairforrest Recent partnership between Dundee, Abertay & RGU. Studentsworked well together to assess & treat acutely ill pt. #mededThu Jun 23 13:58:58 PDT 2011

MhairiHepburn @silv24#meded needs supervised closely then, and ppl told NOT to do that,emphasise respecting other professions INCLUDES THE DOCTORSThu Jun 23 13:59:01 PDT 2011

alexwintermute #meded I think you know my thoughts on med students working at least some time asa HCA. every medic I've asked who's done it recommends it!Thu Jun 23 13:59:11 PDT 2011

amcunningham @silv24 ok... how did people respond to this.? you did get to meet the other people f2fat some stage didn't you? #mededThu Jun 23 13:59:15 PDT 2011

carlylou #meded seems like there are 2 issues here 1) needing to understand & appreciateothers roles & 2) functioning & learning as a clinical teamThu Jun 23 13:59:28 PDT 2011

LizzyFerret @nlafferty@cathieb@alasdairforrest feedback from recent transition block studentswas Ward Sim was very good :) #meded

Thu Jun 23 13:59:38 PDT 2011

kevfrost @doctorrah#meded we had joint lectures with biomedical science in y1/y2. Just beingin the same room didn't result in any IPE.Thu Jun 23 13:59:39 PDT 2011

amcunningham RT @carlylou: #meded seems like there are 2 issues here 1) needing to understand &appreciate others roles & 2) functioning & learning as a clinical teamThu Jun 23 13:59:40 PDT 2011

scottishphil83 @amcunningham IPE at a postgrad level works. ALS: nurses doctors working well

together in teams. why doesnt work at undergrad level? #mededThu Jun 23 13:59:42 PDT 2011

alasdairforrest @cathieb Very interesting. I missed that entirely, filling my final year with sedatepsychiatric placements. #mededThu Jun 23 13:59:45 PDT 2011

AndyRKett @alexwintermute completely agree with this have met many doctors how have donesome time as HCAs #mededThu Jun 23 13:59:56 PDT 2011

nlafferty @alasdairforrest Took place in the new Dow extension in Clinical Skills - amazingwatching everything in the AV control room #mededThu Jun 23 14:00:08 PDT 2011
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alexwintermute RT @welsh_gas_doc: I worry that IPE will mean topics are aimed at lowest commondenominator. We've all been on ALS courses where this happens. #mededThu Jun 23 14:00:09 PDT 2011

amcunningham @Subintellectual I think people do think they can learn... but complaints seem to beabout artifice... #mededThu Jun 23 14:00:43 PDT 2011

nlafferty @alasdairforrest Disappointing to hear that :( #mededThu Jun 23 14:00:45 PDT 2011

doctorrah @amcunningham#meded Was rubbish tbh. We got too little hard science whilst egnurses were baffled by details of autonomic nervous systemThu Jun 23 14:01:00 PDT 2011

MykelO RT @scottishphil83: @amcunningham best IPE we had was simply sharing lectureswith pharmacy students - made us realise they knew more than we did! #mededThu Jun 23 14:01:18 PDT 2011

LizzyFerret @silv24@amcunningham I actually think that sounds like a nightmare :S Would muchprefer face to face. #mededThu Jun 23 14:01:31 PDT 2011

AndyRKett @amcunningham we also did 1st year IPE @doctorrah#ipe#mededThu Jun 23 14:01:35 PDT 2011

silv24 @amcunningham we didn't meet face to face. I just tried to be as positive as I couldwith it to be honest #mededThu Jun 23 14:02:13 PDT 2011

amcunningham I@Subintellectual but usuallyt intention seems to be not to learn from each other butwith each other... perhpas just poor delivery? #mededThu Jun 23 14:02:17 PDT 2011

amcunningham @silv24 I know you would:) #mededThu Jun 23 14:02:28 PDT 2011

cathieb @nlafferty Sorry I'm late! Informal feedback v positive. I facilitated some sessions andlearning continued after scenarios finished. #mededThu Jun 23 14:02:41 PDT 2011

drowens88 We did IPE at southampton. It's now being dropped in the final year. It's still used in1st and 2nd year. Everyone hates it! #mededThu Jun 23 14:02:43 PDT 2011

nlafferty @LizzyFerret@cathieb@alasdairforrest I heard the students thought the Ward Simwas good too and the scrubbing up theatre etiquette #mededThu Jun 23 14:02:46 PDT 2011

amcunningham @AndyRKett how did it go? success? what worked? what could be better? #mededThu Jun 23 14:02:56 PDT 2011
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alexwintermute RT @AndyRKett: @alexwintermute completely agree with this have met many doctorshow have done some time as HCAs #mededThu Jun 23 14:03:02 PDT 2011

welsh_gas_doc Too often, an IPE session will turn into a "lets bitch about those lazy, arrogant docs"session. All been on ALS courses like that! #mededThu Jun 23 14:03:12 PDT 2011

amcunningham @drowens88 everyone? all specialties?? #mededThu Jun 23 14:03:25 PDT 2011

nlafferty @cathieb That's really good, I found it fascinating as an observer - a lot of planningmust have gone into it #mededThu Jun 23 14:03:35 PDT 2011

LizzyFerret @nlafferty@cathieb@alasdairforrest yeah the theatre etiquette thing good too :)#mededThu Jun 23 14:03:37 PDT 2011

AndyRKett @amcunningham worked well it depends how you look at it our medics start clinicalplacement from day one so much better appreciation #mededThu Jun 23 14:03:50 PDT 2011

alexwintermute RT @alasdairforrest: IPE cannot proceed on the falsehood that depth of knowledgerequired by different professions is the same. That prevents engagement. #mededThu Jun 23 14:03:57 PDT 2011

amcunningham @AndyRKett ah! that could be important... what did you actually do together? #mededThu Jun 23 14:04:19 PDT 2011

alexwintermute RT @DrDLittle: Keep forgetting the bloody hashish. #mededThu Jun 23 14:04:33 PDT 2011

AndyRKett @amcunningham an introduction in first year to the concept of MDT is essential otherwise lead to problems later on #mededThu Jun 23 14:04:39 PDT 2011

amcunningham @AndyRKett ok- that makes sense... how was it done? in lectures? small groups?#mededThu Jun 23 14:05:12 PDT 2011

alasdairforrest @AndyRKett Took me a long time to work out what different AHPs and nurses did,actually! #mededThu Jun 23 14:05:14 PDT 2011

AndyRKett @amcunningham we had a scenario of a patient with complex problems and we hadto decide as a group how to solve them #mededThu Jun 23 14:05:17 PDT 2011

OsteoA RT @kevfrost#meded If I recall Nottingham Uni has joint lectures on diseasemanagement between pharmacy and medicine. Don't know ext...Thu Jun 23 14:05:45 PDT 2011
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