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STATE OFFICERS ELECTORAL BOARD

SPECIAL MEETING

August 6, 2010

at

2:39 o'clock p.m.

EXCERPT OF STENOGRAPHIC REPORT OF PROCEEDINGS

had in the above-entitled cause held at the

Thompson Center, 100 West Randolph Street, Room

14-100, Chicago, I l l inois, MR. BRYAN A. SCHNEIDER,

presiding.

BOARD MEMBERS PRESENT:

MR. BRYAN A. SCHNEIDER, Chairman

MS. WANDA L. REDNOUR, Vice Chairman,

via telephone conference

MR. PATRICK A. BRADY

MR. JOHN R. KEITH, Springfield

MR. ALBERT S. PORTER

MR. JESSE R. SMART, Springfield

MR. ROBERT J. WALTERS

via telephone conference

ABSENT:

MR. WILLIAM M. McGUFFAGE

Reported By: Anna M. Morales, CSR, RMR

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1 (Whereupon, the following

2 proceedings commenced at

3 2:41 o'clock p.m.)

4CHAIRMAN SCHNEIDER: I ' l l now

convene the State

5 Officers Electoral Board and ask the clerk to take

6 the roll call for attendance.

7 ADMINISTRATIVE SPECIALIST CALVIN: Mr. Brady?

8 MEMBER BRADY: Present.

9 ADMINISTRATIVE SPECIALIST CALVIN: Mr. Keith?

10 MEMBER KEITH: Present.

11 ADMINISTRATIVE SPECIALIST CALVIN: Mr. McGuffage?

12 Mr. Porter?

13 MEMBER PORTER: Present.

14 ADMINISTRATIVE SPECIALIST CALVIN: Mr. Smart?

15 MEMBER SMART: Present.

16 ADMINISTRATIVE SPECIALIST CALVIN: Mr. Walters?

17 MEMBER WALTERS: Present.

18 ADMINISTRATIVE SPECIALIST CALVIN: Vice

19 Chairman Rednour?

20 VICE CHAIRMAN REDNOUR: Present.

21 ADMINISTRATIVE SPECIALIST CALVIN: Chairman

22 Schneider?

23 CHAIRMAN SCHNEIDER: Present.

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1 (Whereupon, there were proceedings

2 had not herein transcribed.)

3 CHAIRMAN SCHNEIDER: Next item is Consideration

4 of Objections to New Party and Independent

5 Candidate Petitions, and there are a number of

6 items here that we will take together as they raise

7 the same questions of law, not that you all wish

8 not -- I'm sure i t would be a t reat for all of you

9 to hear to my dulcet tones and read every case. Is

10 there a way that we could simply -- Steve, would i t

11 be appropriate to simply reference the agenda for

12 the record?

13 MR. SANDVOSS: Yes. That would be fine.

14 CHAIRMAN SCHNEIDER: Okay. So we'll be

15 considering now Agenda Items 5a through 5cc. The

16 objector in each of those matters is Ms. Meroni

17 against all of the candidates as identified on the

18 agenda.

19 So, Mr. Sandvoss, would you l ike to

20 present these matters to us consolidated as I

21 discussed?

22 MR. SANDVOSS: Yes, Mr. Chairman. These were a

23 series of objections totaling 29 that are before

24 the Board. They all raise the same issue, and the3




1 basis of the objection is that, and I quote, "The

2 candidates' nomination papers are insufficient

3 because they failed to demonstrate and/or provide

4 documentation that the candidate meets the

5 constitutional requirements or laws."

6 That is really the sum and substance of

7 the objection. In some cases, the candidates

8 either themselves or through counsel has filed

9 motions to strike and dismiss or motions for

10 summary judgment. In other cases, no motions were

11 made.

12 The hearing officer in this case,

13 Ken Menzel, recommended that as to the cases where

14 there were motions to strike and dismiss filed that

15 the Board grant those motions on the basis that the

16 petition does not allege any deficiencies that

17 would invalidate any of the candidates' nominating

18 papers. They simply make a claim that the

19 candidate has failed to prove that they meet the

20 constitutional requirements. I t does not comply or

21 comport with the requirements of the 10-8 which

22 states that the objection must specifically state

23 the objection in writing.

24 Also, as to the group of candidates that4




1 did not fi le any motions, Mr. Menzel recommended

2 that the Board invoke Rule 4 of the Rules of

3 Procedure which gives the Board the authority to

4 strike any objection that the Board feels does not

5 comply with Section 10-8 and they can do so on

6 their own motion, and the hearing officer

7 recommends that the Board exercise that power and

8 invoke Rule 4 to strike the objections in their

9 entirety.

10 I concur with the recommendation of the

11 hearing officer on all 29 cases.

12 CHAIRMAN SCHNEIDER: All right. Are there any

13 questions for Mr. Sandvoss? All right, hearing

14 none, we'll turn to the objector, Ms. Meroni. You

15 have seen our process, i f you would l ike to briefly

16 address the Board concerning your cases, please

17 feel free to do so.

18 MS. MERONI: Thank you very much. And I have a

19 motion to start with that is -- you know, I was

20 originally scheduled for this hearing on

21 August 17th. Actually, originally, I was scheduled

22 for July 26th, and then they scheduled me for

23 July 17th -- or August 17th. And then, all of a

24 sudden, Tuesday afternoon, I get this, we're going5




1 to do i t on Friday.

2 Well, my father turned 80 today. So we

3 got a lo t of family in town. My nephew just came

4 back from Iraq. So we have a lo t of family in

5 town. In addition, I have an appointment with my

6 attorney on Monday. So I can't make that

7 appointment. And also I had other plans to contact

8 some of the candidates and I'm now not able to do

9 that. So I do have a brief motion i f I can bring

10 i t to you.

11 CHAIRMAN SCHNEIDER: You may. If you have a

12 copy, you can hand i t to Mr. White, and he will

13 give i t to me.

14 MR. WHITE: Thank you.

15 MS. MERONI: I do have a copy for you guys, i f

16 you want. They're just handwritten because I

17 didn' t have enough time to get i t all done.

18 CHAIRMAN SCHNEIDER: Let 's see what the

19 substance of i t is .

20 MS. MERONI: And i f you just give me until

21 Monday, Tuesday, any day. Today I just cannot

22 possibly get i t all done.

23 CHAIRMAN SCHNEIDER: You're asking what?

24 You're asking for a continuance to another date?6




1 MS. MERONI: Just for another day.

2 CHAIRMAN SCHNEIDER: You understand that these

3 processes by their very nature move extraordinarily

4 quickly. In many instances,i t ' s

advisable to both

5 parties to get the matters disposed of before us as

6 quickly as possible in case either party wishes to

7 seek judicial relief from our decision. So that 's

8 why we move so quickly. I t ' s a very, very

9 expedited process that we have to deal with.

10 So, Mr. Sandvoss, is the matter properly

11 before us today?

12 MR. SANDVOSS: Yes, Mr. Chairman, the matter is

13 properly before the Board. The parties have been

14 notified of the Board meeting. Three days where

15 notice was given to both the objector and the

16 candidates. The notice of the meeting was also

17 made public, posted on the Web si te in conformance

18 with the Open Meetings Act and all procedures

19 adopted that are contained in the Rules of

20 Procedure have been complied with.

21 CHAIRMAN SCHNEIDER: Okay. So at this point in

22 time, i t would be my ruling that we proceed to the

23 cases. They have been properly brought before us.

24 The matters move very quickly. And, again, i t can7




1 often be a courtesy to the parties for us to take

2 care of our work as quickly as possible so i f

3 anyone feels that our decision was improper, they

4 can seek whatever remedies are available.

5 So i t would be the ruling of the Chair

6 then that we proceed to these cases. Mr. Sandvoss?

7 MR. SANDVOSS: I just wanted to add for the

8 record that the recommendation of the hearing

9 officer came in two parts. One was issued on the

10 16th and one was issued on the 20th of July, and

11 the candidates and objector received copies of

12 those on those dates. So this has been known for

13 quite some time is my point.

14 CHAIRMAN SCHNEIDER: Okay. Thank you. I t

15 helps clarify the records.

16 MS. MERONI: I want to respond to that. Am I

17 allowed?

18 CHAIRMAN SCHNEIDER: No, ma'am. I have made a

19 ruling. I'm the Chairman. I have made a ruling

20 that we're going to proceed pursuant to the agenda.

21 If a Board member objects to my ruling, they may

22 make a motion to overrule me.

23 MS. MERONI: Okay.

24 CHAIRMAN SCHNEIDER: So is there -- right now I8




1 have made my ruling. Are we -- i f a Board member

2 objects and wishes to make a motion to overrule my

3 position, now would be the time to do so. Okay.

4 So no Board member seems prepared to overrule my

5 ruling. I ruled that we'll proceed according to

6 the agenda.

7 So now i f you have -- i f you have a

8 discussion on what a lawyer would call the merits

9 of your case, why we should grant your objection,

10 i f you would l ike to -- i f you would l ike to

11 address us on those topics, please feel free to do

12 so.

13 MS. MERONI: Okay. Thank you. I have two

14 documents here that are exceptions to the --

15 exceptions to the hearing officer 's recommendations

16 to invoke Rule 4 and also exceptions to the hearing

17 officer 's counsel. May I give that to you?

18 MR. WHITE: Sure.

19 MS. MERONI: Thank you. May I offer you guys

20 copies?

21 CHAIRMAN SCHNEIDER: They can be included in

22 the record. We'll accept the paper, ma'am, but

23 there 's processes and time lines for this. So now

24 is your chance, i f you have a statement to make to9




1 us , i f you have -- i f you would l ike to argue, i f

2 you would l ike to make a presentation about i t .

3 I t ' s not a time to submit paper to us and expect us

4 to have readi t

because, obviously, we're here to

5 consider the case.

6 We'll allow Mr. White to accept i t and

7 place i t in the record, but i t is not necessarily

8 timely filed according to our rules.

9 MS. MERONI: Could you clarify to me which rule

10 that is because I actually, you know, couldn't find

11 anywhere in the rules on what the time frame was

12 for exceptions. I did see the other three-day

13 rules which I followed.

14 CHAIRMAN SCHNEIDER: Ma'am, I have made my I15 think my position is quite clear. You saw how we

16 handle these cases. Now is your time, i f you would

17 like, to address the Board. We're giving you every

18 courtesy. If you would l ike to address the Board

19 on the merits of your objections, please feel free

20 to do so. We're here. If you have some statements

21 to make, that 's fine, and arguments. You see

22 sometimes Board members have questions. Now is the

23 time to do that, and we're happy to hear those

24 arguments.10




1 MS. MERONI: And am I arguing the merits of my

2 objection or am I arguing against the

3 recommendations by the officers?

4 CHAIRMAN SCHNEIDER: Both.

5 MS. MERONI: Okay. Which would you l ike to

6 hear f irst?

7 CHAIRMAN SCHNEIDER: They seem to go together.

8 You have presented objections to people's

9 candidacies.

10 MS. MERONI: Yes, I have.

11 CHAIRMAN SCHNEIDER: If you would l ike to make

12 arguments why we should grant those objections,

13 please feel free to do so now.

14 MS. MERONI: Great. Okay. So, you know, I

15 appreciate the courtesy there because I'm trying to

16 make sure that I understand your processes because

17 i t ' s fairly hard to find evidence when you are not

18 accustomed with the processes.

19 First of all , we have the issue of the

20 merits, and then I guess I will go into the

21 exceptions. The objections that I made are based

22 on the fact that the State of I l l inois fai ls to

23 provide any documentation. They do not ask for or

24 produce or allow to be posted any proof that1 1




1 candidates are constitutionally eligible to be on

2 the ballot.

3 Now as I understand i t , the Board has two

4 different roles. One is to advise the General

5 Assembly, and one is also to run the elections and

6 the processes. And in my objection, I was very

7 clear that I stated the reason that I oppose the

8 candidates, and I presented these objections, is

9 because there is no evidence provided that they're

10 constitutionally eligible other than the fact that

11 some of them signed the statement of candidacy.

12 And so then that would allow people to

13 say, as some of the objections have, that I did not

14 impugn their signature. But tha t ' s asking me to do

15 the impossible. You see, how can I impugn

16 somebody's signature i f there 's no record provided

17 in the process for which I can rely on to say,

18 well, maybe this person is eligible or not? If I

19 want to find out i f they're registered to vote, I

20 can go down to the state and I can look i t up. I f

21 I want to find out where they live, I have

22 recourse. If I want to find out i f they obeyed the

23 campaign finance and reporting laws, I have

24 recourse.12




1 There's no recourse for finding out i f

2 somebody is constitutionally eligible to be on the

3 ballot. And i t ' s kind of interesting because the

4 Constitution requires this in terms of must and

5 shall . I t doesn't say, well, you know, you

6 probably should be. And what we have as a process

7 here is a system that puts i t to the luck of the

8 draw.

9 Now when I came -- and so here I have five

10 days. Oh, my gosh. In my whole l i fe, I get five

11 days to take a look at the candidate slate and find

12 out i f I should object. And you want me to have

13 grounds to object. But i f there 's no evidence to

14 present i t in the public records, you're asking me

15 to do something tha t ' s a due process issue.

16 Furthermore, I'm alleging that this is a

17 civil rights violation. And when we get a l i t t l e

18 bit deeper into these two reports here, I will

19 discuss that even further, but --

20 CHAIRMAN SCHNEIDER: You may wish to discuss

21 that. Like I say, everything kind of goes

22 together. So please make your arguments.

23 MS. MERONI: I'm trying to be logical as much

24 as I can because i t ' s kind of a big topic and i t13




1 took me a long time for me to research i t and to

2 study i t --

3 CHAIRMAN SCHNEIDER: Okay.

4 MS. MERONI: -- and to come to an understanding

5 that I l l inois --

6 CHAIRMAN SCHNEIDER: Few more minutes, please.

7 Continue.

8 MEMBER SMART: Can I ask her, the

9 qualifications for candidates, tha t ' s not up to us.

10 Our role is to follow the laws and the Constitution

11 of the United States, not to add to them or take

12 away from them. And you're implying that we should

13 set qualifications. If you're a citizen of the

14 State of I l l inois and over a certain age, my

15 understanding is you're qualified to run for

16 anything you want to. I t ' s up to the voters to

17 choose that.

18 Why are you wanting to change that

19 procedure? And i f you are, you should do that with

20 the legislation and not with us.

21 MS. MERONI: May I respond?

22 CHAIRMAN SCHNEIDER: Yes, please do.

23 MS. MERONI: The answer to that question is you

24 lef t out one requirement in the Constitution and14




1 that is that they have to be a U.S. citizen. And

2 there is no document -- i f you are asking me to

3 prove that these candidates are qualified or not,

4 the basis of these objections are that I didn' t

5 prove i t , but I can't prove something that doesn't

6 exist, can I?

7 And so I'm not asking for a change in the

8 law. The law states what i t states. But the

9 Constitution states that everyone that is on my

10 ballot needs to be a U.S. citizen.

11 And I'm shocked, shocked to find out that

12 nobody checks in the process. And I'm even more

13 astounded to find out that a candidate that failed

14 to sign the statement of candidacy would be deemed

15 to be allowed on the ballot unless objection

16 thereof. And I made objection thereof, and i t was

17 stated that my objection wasn't solid enough.

18 But the objection stated clearly that he

19 had failed to establish himself as being

20 constitutionally eligible. And i f he didn' t sign

21 the statement of candidacy, he didn' t establish i t .

22 And the other thing that I 've come to

23 understand is that the I l l inois Board doesn't

24 implement any standards of apparent conformity.15




1 And this is the second time this has happened where

2 candidates have been available to be on the ballot

3 without being in apparent conformity to the

4 I l l inois law. So I'm al i t t l e

bit confused as to

5 whether or not the law is being practiced

6 discriminately.

7 And I want to get back to the point about

8 my civil rights. You see, i f I have to make a

9 choice -- because I'm afforded the absolute right

10 to object to candidates. Nobody contested my

11 timeliness and nobody contested my interest; and my

12 interest was specifically stated to protect and to

13 cause for the I l l inois and U.S. Constitution to be

14 upheld. And nobody contested my right or my

15 standing to do that. You only contested that I

16 didn' t present specific enough information.

17 And my answer to you is how can I do that?

18 When I got the f i r s t 32 -- when I got the names, by

19 the way, and we have I have withdrawn the

20 objection on three. So there 's only 26 that are in

21 the record currently. When I got those names, I

22 didn' t know i f some of them were male or female,

23 le t alone what record do I have to establish i f

24 they're qualified to be on my ballot. And, yet,16




1 I'm given this time to object, but I'm not given

2 the information for which that I can get the

3 information to do so.

4 I would ask the Board, what would you l ike

5 me to state and do to prove that my ballot is

6 constitutional or that my candidates are eligible?

7 So we have a civil rights issue because I

8 have to look at people and say, Do they have an

9 accent? Do they have a funny name? What is their

10 ethnicity? At the time that I had the five-day

11 challenge, many of the candidates didn' t even have

12 a Web si te up yet. So where do I go to get that

13 information? I have no answer to that. So there 's

14 no Web si te up. If I don't know them personally, I

15 have to either make a blind objection or I have to

16 make one based on profiling.

17 And that is a civil rights violation

18 against me because I don't want to profile. I want

19 to know through must and shall terms i f the

20 candidates on my ballot are eligible.

21 Now we have basically two different types

22 of responses. And the f i r s t one I will go through

23 is Mr. Menzel's hearing recommendation to grant the

24 motions to strike and dismiss. Before I do that, I17




1 want to state that any candidate --

2 CHAIRMAN SCHNEIDER: Couple more minutes,

3 ma'am, on your presentation. That would bring you

4 up al i t t le

over ten minutes. So you see how we've

5 handled the other cases. So just keep that in mind

6 as you are thinking through how you want to use the

7 rest of your argument time with us.

8 MS. MERONI: Well, I fel t that earl ier you had

9 said I would have time to present my case and now

10 I'm feeling you're cutting me short.

11 CHAIRMAN SCHNEIDER: I'm not cutting you short.

12 MS. MERONI: I'm objecting to that.

13 CHAIRMAN SCHNEIDER: Objection is noted and

14 overruled and we'll proceed.

15 MS. MERONI: I'm feeling, you know, kind of a

16 hostil i ty from you, sir .

17 CHAIRMAN SCHNEIDER: Oh, there's absolutely no

18 hosti l i t ies . I'm trying to help you keep your --

19 MS. MERONI: Every time I do something, i t ' s

20 just l ike you want to shut me up.

21 CHAIRMAN SCHNEIDER: No. We've heard your

22 presentation. You mentioned you wanted to turn to

23 the examiner's report. So that 's fine. Please do

24 so.18




1 MS. MERONI: I will do so. One of the options

2 that I made for all -- because I recognize the

3 difficulty of this problem. The I l l inois General

4 Assembly has not done their job. The I l l inois

5 State Board of Elections has not done their job.

6 You have not recommended that we have a security

7 issue related to our ballots that anybody basically

8 -- right now, Mickey Mouse could sign up and get on

9 there as long as nobody objects to i t .

10 Nobody has done their job in that regard.

11 And I recognize that. I'm sympathetic to i t . But

12 what I don't understand is what we're going to do

13 about my ballot in November. Because when you guys

14 turn down -- and I fully understand that my options

15 of winning here, my chances of winning in this

16 Board is very small. Okay. But when you turn i t

17 down, the consequences are going to be that I'm

18 going into court.

19 And I'm here to say our country right now

20 is in a huge problem. Chicago is , too. Is there a

21 way that we can avoid court? I would l ike to try

22 to do that as part of our conversation today.

23 And I also want to talk to some of these

24 candidates and say, i f you -- i f the Board makes19




1 this decision today and you decide that, yes, you

2 are going to -- you are going to hold these

3 objections up, then you've now got all of these

4 candidates that all they had to do was show me a

5 birth cert if icate and I would withdraw my objection

6 to them and they would not have to go on to the

7 next leave of civil court.

8 And I know you may not be able to forcibly

9 say present your cert if icates , but you could

10 recommend i t . There's nothing in your policies and

11 procedures that would prohibit that.

12 Now going specifically to the two

13 recommendations. The f i rs t one related to

14 Mr. Mendel. He does a couple of things in here

15 that are really bizarre. First of all , Mr. Moore,

16 Mr. Officer, Mr. Estil l did not fi le any motions to

17 strike and dismiss. So he's just kind of clumped

18 everybody together and said that they're going to

19 recommend that they grant the motions to strike and

20 dismiss when there was no motion made.

21 So either he didn' t read my case or he

22 made a mistake. I don't know. But how can he

23 recommend for a motion to be accepted that was

24 never presented. That's one issue.20




1 know you don't set laws. I know you're not going

2 to address constitutional issues. That's not

3 really your role potentially. But this is an issue

4 of process. I want to have a ballot that I know is

5 valid. I can't do that going to the General

6 Assembly.

7 You want me to go to the next one?

8 CHAIRMAN SCHNEIDER: Couple more minutes.

9 Couple more minutes.

10 MS. MERONI: All right. Another thing they

11 say, and i t ' s just another one of his bizarre

12 statements. Whenever my remedy is not stated.

13 So I don't get that. If my remedy is that i f

14 they're not presented, they will be declared

15 insufficient and not in compliance with the State

16 of I l l inois . What is the remedy? If your remedy

17 papers -- i f your candidate papers are found to be

18 insufficient, what's the remedy? You're not put on

19 the ballot.

20 So him saying I didn' t write the words

21 "put on the ballot" to me is just absurd because

22 obviously you're not put on the ballot.

23 Another thing that I take great exception

24 with, and I want addressed in this court -- in this22




1 hearing is he complains -- he juxtapositions and

2 says that my appeal is rambling. He says that i t ' s

3 frivolous and unwarranted. He did not address the

4 issue that I have stated in here that for whatever

5 reason we don't know, nobody in this room here can

6 verify that a single candidate running in I l l inois

7 is constitutionally eligible except the four that

8 gave me birth cert if icates . That's i t .

9 Now i f we want to go to the second

10 objection, the Rule 4 issue, oh, boy, here the

11 state argues against i tse lf . I t says to me and the

12 other one that, oh, my gosh, you know, these guys

13 signed the statement of candidacy and since they

14 signed the statement of candidacy, you haven't

15 impinged their signature, which of course I can't

16 because there 's no evidence to present because

17 there 's none available, so how do I?

18 So then he says to me, well -- sorry, I

19 lost my train of thought. And the candidacy said

20 that i f I don't present i t -- oh, gosh, sorry. He

21 says that we should accept the Rule 4 because my

22 motion was, for whatever the crazy reasons that

23 they were, but the fact is that they're arguing

24 against themselves because Mr. Patterson didn' t23




1 sign the statement of candidacy. So he is not

2 legally qualified. But because you guys don't

3 enforce any apparent conformity standards, he could

4s t i l l

get on the ballot very much l ike Alan Keyes

5 got on the ballot in the las t election.

6 I'm furious with Mr. Menzel for making

7 racial overtones in my answer here, and I wish to

8 take profound and deep exception to that. I am

9 saying that my civil rights are violated, and

10 Mr. Menzel somehow puts his story in and claims

11 that i t ' s frivolous without a single statement of

12 what was frivolous about my -- as a citizen, taking

13 my personal time and l i fe to investigate 32

14 candidates to find out i f they're eligible to be on

15 my ballot, to find out I can' t get one bit of

16 information, and how is that frivolous.

17 CHAIRMAN SCHNEIDER: All right. Okay. I think

18 we understand your objections. I think I 'd maybe

19 now think about a conclusion kind of, i f you have a

20 conclusion on your position. A couple minutes for

21 that maybe, at the most, and then we'll see i f

22 there 's any questions for you.

23 MS. MERONI: The part of the claim is I don't

24 allege a deficiency and, again, I think you have24




1 heard my point that you can' t allege a deficiency

2 when there 's no evidence that is available to know.

3 And the fact that there 's a lack of

4 processes is a due process issue against me.I t ' s

5 not an issue related to whether or not just the

6 candidates have rights. I have rights here, too.

7 And my right is to have an objection period. And

8 that objection period has been truncated because

9 there is no evidence available and i t ' s virtually

10 impossible.

11 Now what happens when you try to go

12 backwards and confirm that the candidate is

13 eligible? You can't . Why? Because I lack

14 standing. I took all of you to court, you know. I

15 took you to court in March, and I asked for a TRO

16 against certification of the election results; and,

17 at that hearing, your representatives said I had to

18 go through your processes.

19 So here I go. I get up. I do all the

20 hard work that i t takes to go through your

21 processes, and then I'm told that there is no

22 process within your process to verify whether or

23 not my ballot is constitutionally eligible. That's

24 a big issue.25




1 CHAIRMAN SCHNEIDER: So for those reasons you

2 would l ike us to grant your objections, correct?

3 MS. MERONI: I would l ike you to set aside and

4 deny the recommendation of the hearing officer. I

5 would l ike to have hearings conducted and/or a

6 reach-out to the candidates because I really am not

7 l i t igious. I don't want to go to court. I will .

8 I promise you. No matter what i t takes.

9 Someone died for me today. And someone

10 died for you and you and you. And when they die,

11 they gave their l i fe for our Constitution. And

12 every day when I want to quit, I wake up in the

13 morning and I realize that not one person today,

14 but several died for us.

15 And we have a constitutional crisis in

16 this state, and i t ' s going to come back. Do you

17 know why? Because you also don't define legally

18 qualified.

19 CHAIRMAN SCHNEIDER: Okay, ma'am. Thank you.

20 So you would l ike us to not abide by the

21 recommendations and you would l ike us to grant your

22 petitions for objections; is that correct?

23 MS. MERONI: I would l ike to have a hearing.

24 CHAIRMAN SCHNEIDER: Okay. You have restated26




1 that. I was trying to help you clarify. I think

2 that that 's your position.

3 So are there any questions then for

4 Ms. Meroni on her objections and her arguments?

5 Okay. There's no questions.

6 At this point in time, i f there 's any

7 representatives here for any of the candidates to

8 whom Ms. Meroni has objected who wish to address

9 the Board, you may do so at this time. There's a

10 large number of candidates. So we'll have to again

11 ask you to be brief, just l ike we did Ms. Meroni.

12 So okay, s ir , in Springfield, if you could

13 please stand up, sort of come closer, a l i t t l e bit

14 closer and state your name for the record, please.

15 MR. ESTILL: My name is Steven Estil l ,

16 E-s- t - i - l - l .

17 CHAIRMAN SCHNEIDER: And you are a candidate?

18 MR. ESTILL: Yes.

19 CHAIRMAN SCHNEIDER: You are in 10 SOEB GE 550.

20 MR. ESTILL: Well, i t seems to me that

21 Ms. Meroni objected primarily, said I was running

22 for governor and l ieutenant governor, but being new

23 at this, I didn' t know that I couldn't just run for

24 governor. And they say as a write-in candidate,27




1 you can. So I got on for l ieutenant governor.

2 And she made a statement at one point I

3 believe i t was in the Springfield paper July 1st

4 that she would not stoop so low as to take

5 objections to the 25,000 signatures an independent

6 needs. Well, i t seems to me l ike that 's the only

7 thing that they're objecting to.

8 And I'm a legal citizen. I wasn't dropped

9 off by some space ship. I got a driver 's license.

10 I got a birth cert i f icate . If anybody wanted my

11 birth cert i f icate , they could have i t . I would

12 give them a copy of i t . I was never asked.

13 And all I want to do is I want a chance to

14 go before the judge and state my case. I feel l ike

15 I got a better chance with one person than a whole

16 bunch of people. I can ' t afford a lawyer. I'm

17 running -- i t ' s an experiment in progress. I feel

18 the system is so flawed that we need somebody to

19 emphasize something more than money because people

20 that get in, they get in because of money.

21 CHAIRMAN SCHNEIDER: Sir, s ir , okay. The

22 recommendation of our hearing officer was that

23 Ms. Meroni 's objection be overruled. So i t sounds

24 from your argument that you would be in agreement28




1 with that?

2 MR. ESTILL: Yes.

3 CHAIRMAN SCHNEIDER: Are there any questions

4 for Mr. Estill?

5 MS. MERONI: Yes, I have one.

6 CHAIRMAN SCHNEIDER: No, ma'am. We do the

7 questioning.

8 MS. MERONI: I thought I get to respond.

9 CHAIRMAN SCHNEIDER: This i sn ' t a debate.

10 MS. MERONI: The other guys got to talk to each

11 other.

12 CHAIRMAN SCHNEIDER: No, that was okay. Okay.

13 MS. MERONI: I just want to make one statement

14 to Mr. Estil l .

15 CHAIRMAN SCHNEIDER: In rebuttal, you have

16 20 seconds.

17 MS. MERONI: Mr. Estil l , i f you want to just

18 send me a copy of your birth cert if icate, I will

19 remove my objection and then you don't have to go

20 to court.

21 CHAIRMAN SCHNEIDER: Thank you. Thank you.

22 Thank you. Thank you. Sir, I am in charge of the

23 meeting. So she's got to speak.

24 So we're now going to see i f there 's any29




1 other candidates that wish to address the Board.

2 Okay. Sir, do you wish to address us?

3 MR. CRUMPTON: Mr. Chairman, just for the

4 record, Attorney Randy Crumpton on behalf of

5 Willie Boyd. I stand on my motion.

6 CHAIRMAN SCHNEIDER: Okay. Thank you. So

7 Mr. Sandvoss, has your -- are there any questions

8 for this gentleman?

9 Hearing none, Mr. Sandvoss, has your

10 recommendation changed?

11 MR. SANDVOSS: No, Mr. Chairman. My

12 recommendation has not changed.

13 CHAIRMAN SCHNEIDER: Okay. At this point in

14 time then, i t would be appropriate for any

15 discussion on the Board or motions?

16 MEMBER BRADY: I move that we accept the

17 recommendation of the hearing officer to grant the

18 motions to strike in those cases where the motions

19 were filed and the concurrence of the General

20 Counsel in those cases; and where there were no

21 motions granted -- pardon me, f iled, I move that we

22 accept the recommendation of the hearing officer

23 and the General Counsel that the Board act on i t s

24 own authority to strike those objections.30




1 CHAIRMAN SCHNEIDER: Is there a second?

2 MEMBER PORTER: Second.

3 CHAIRMAN SCHNEIDER: Moved by Mr. Brady,

4 seconded by Mr. Porter. Is there any discussion on

5 the motion?

6 Hearing none, the clerk will call the

7 roll .

8 ADMINISTRATIVE SPECIALIST CALVIN: Mr. Brady?

9 MEMBER BRADY: Aye.

10 ADMINISTRATIVE SPECIALIST CALVIN: Mr. Keith?

11 MEMBER KEITH: Aye.

12 ADMINISTRATIVE SPECIALIST CALVIN: Mr. McGuffage?

13 MEMBER McGUFFAGE: (Member Porter) Aye.

14 ADMINISTRATIVE SPECIALIST CALVIN: Mr. Porter?

15 MEMBER PORTER: Aye.

16 ADMINISTRATIVE SPECIALIST CALVIN: Mr. Smart?

17 MEMBER SMART: Aye.

18 ADMINISTRATIVE SPECIALIST CALVIN: Mr. Walters?

19 MEMBER WALTERS: Aye.

20 ADMINISTRATIVE SPECIALIST CALVIN: Vice

21 Chairman Rednour?

22 VICE CHAIRMAN REDNOUR: Aye.

23 ADMINISTRATIVE SPECIALIST CALVIN: Chairman

24 Schneider?31




1 to go consult with your advisors, legal and

2 otherwise, to determine i f there 's any further

3 action that you would l ike to take.

4 MS. MERONI: Point of clarity, please.

5 CHAIRMAN SCHNEIDER: So we've disposed of the

6 matter. I appreciate you -- I appreciate you being

7 here with us today and the courtesies I hope you

8 appreciate that we've extended to you, and we're

9 going to move on to our other business at this

10 point.

11 MS. MERONI: I need a point of clari ty, please.

12 CHAIRMAN SCHNEIDER: No, ma'am. There's no

13 point of clarity. The Board has heard your

14 arguments--

15 MS. MERONI: I can't walk out of here without

16 understanding your motion, what transpired.

17 CHAIRMAN SCHNEIDER: You may consult with your

18 advisors, legal and otherwise, i f you need to

19 understand what actions and rights you have from

20 this point.

21 MS. MERONI: I can't ask Mr. Brady a question

22 about his motion?

23 CHAIRMAN SCHNEIDER: I'm absolutely saying

24 that. That's what I'm saying.33




1 MS. MERONI: Can I ask you the question?

2 CHAIRMAN SCHNEIDER: No, actually not. We've

3 taken our action. We've taken our action. The

4 Board has now acted and you can consult with your

5 consultants.

6 MS. MERONI: Did your action exclude the three?

7 CHAIRMAN SCHNEIDER: Ma'am, okay. Our action,

8 as I have tried to explain to you actually, the

9 cases that we acted on today are identified on our

10 agenda. Okay?

11 So we're now going to proceed to our other

12 business, and I will ask you to please go back into

13 the audience. All right.

14 MS. MERONI: I object to your decision because

15 I did not receive clarity.

16 CHAIRMAN SCHNEIDER: I'm going to ask you to go

17 back to the audience so that we can proceed to our

18 other business.

19 MS. MERONI: Is my objection acknowledged and

20 noted, please?

21 CHAIRMAN SCHNEIDER: I'm going to ask you to go

22 back to your seat. Thank you very much. Okay.

23 (Whereupon, there were proceedings

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