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Hull 2 1/20th Skeleton Kit 1/20th scale (4') top and 1/35th scale (27.5") models side by side. Hull2 Skeleton Kit is now available again in both 1/20th scale (4' long) and 1/35th scale (27" long) versions. I have finished the design of the Hull2 1/20th scale Hull skeleton kit and I have also finished the 9 pages of instructions with lots of photo's about how to build it, I have increased the number of parts to 122 see the pricelist for details. Based on my years of research, many books, photographs and the few available original drawings that I have managed to get hold of I spent many thousands of hours recreating and redrawing the original boat plans (which is an ongoing project) and based on these plans I have developed the new, more accurate, 1/20th scale (4' or 1220mm long) and the 1/35th scale (27.4" or 697mm long) model hulls available as laser cut rib sets of approximately 122 pieces. Please don't ask me for Autocad files as refusal sometimes offends! The laser cut 1/20th scale kit includes 20 ribs, transom, laminated main keel, laminated wing prop shafts and separate rudder keels, breakaway laminated deck runners which includes the deck opening upstand, motor mounts, servo mounts, a large battery box and a laminated stand. These parts are cut from very fine grade 2mm (5/64") thick GL3 Birch ply from UPM in Finland and are supplied on 8 separate sheets that are 300mm x 400mm (1' x 1'4"), this makes a 16mm (5/8") thick stack that can be shipped as a flat cardboard box by airmail and will weigh around 1.3Kg (3 pounds). This is an important consideration as I am in Australia! The long keels when made up, are laminated as 4 thicknesses of 2mm ply with 6 thicknesses at the prop shafts and rudders, the deck runners are 2 thicknesses, the individual short pieces are fitted together end to end with staggered jigsaw like joints. All individual kit parts join together into slots or recesses and make for a very strong but lightweight hull frame that is fairly easy to build. The motor mounting board is designed to take every type of motor that I currently have or have previously used in Hull 1 and can be set up as either a geared or direct drive arrangement. You will need to supply the long chine and gunwale timbers and the hull covering materials as well as the running gear. The chine and gunwale are 4mm (5/32") square section material as full lengths (1200mm plus or 4' plus) of balsa or harder wood such as Ramin or Spruce and you can cover the hull in whatever you like, I am using 2 layers of 0.8mm (1/32") Birch ply which I have laser cut into 1/20th scale 6" wide planks, just like the real thing which was covered in two layers of 1/2" Mahogany planks with waterproofed muslin cloth between the layers. Model Hull 2 varies from Model Hull 1 in the following ways: 1. The motors are mounted close to the original location and are much further aft (rearward) than in Hull 1, this means that the prop shafts are much shorter and can be bought as complete 8" types rather than having to make them up yourself. I have allowed for both 6.35mm (1/4") or 8mm outside diameter prop shafts. Moving the motors means that the boat will be balanced better as the batteries will be further forward in front of the motors. 2. The hull 2 shape has a much more concave profile in the sides and bottom which is as close to the original Elco PT103 class 80' hull drawings as I can get it.

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  • 5/8/2015 ModelHull2

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    Hull21/20thSkeletonKit

    1/20thscale(4')topand1/35thscale(27.5")modelssidebyside.

    Hull2SkeletonKitisnowavailableagaininboth1/20thscale(4'long)and1/35thscale(27"long)versions.

    IhavefinishedthedesignoftheHull21/20thscaleHullskeletonkitandIhavealsofinishedthe9pagesofinstructionswithlotsofphoto'sabouthowtobuildit,Ihaveincreasedthenumberofpartsto122seethepricelistfordetails.

    Basedonmyyearsofresearch,manybooks,photographsandthefewavailableoriginaldrawingsthatIhavemanagedtogetholdofIspentmanythousandsofhoursrecreatingandredrawingtheoriginalboatplans(whichisanongoingproject)andbasedontheseplansIhavedevelopedthenew,moreaccurate,1/20thscale(4'or1220mmlong)andthe1/35thscale(27.4"or697mmlong)modelhullsavailableaslasercutribsetsofapproximately122pieces.Please

    don'taskmeforAutocadfilesasrefusalsometimesoffends!

    Thelasercut1/20thscalekitincludes20ribs,transom,laminatedmainkeel,laminatedwingpropshaftsandseparaterudderkeels,breakawaylaminateddeckrunnerswhichincludesthedeckopeningupstand,motormounts,servomounts,alargebatteryboxandalaminatedstand.Thesepartsarecutfromveryfinegrade2mm(5/64")thickGL3BirchplyfromUPMinFinlandandaresuppliedon8separatesheetsthatare300mmx400mm(1'x1'4"),thismakesa16mm(5/8")thickstackthatcanbeshippedasaflatcardboardboxbyairmailandwillweigharound1.3Kg(3pounds).ThisisanimportantconsiderationasIamin

    Australia!

    Thelongkeelswhenmadeup,arelaminatedas4thicknessesof2mmplywith6thicknessesatthepropshaftsandrudders,thedeckrunnersare2thicknesses,theindividualshortpiecesarefittedtogetherendtoendwithstaggeredjigsawlikejoints.Allindividualkitpartsjointogetherintoslotsorrecessesandmakeforaverystrongbutlightweighthullframethatisfairlyeasytobuild.ThemotormountingboardisdesignedtotakeeverytypeofmotorthatIcurrentlyhave

    orhavepreviouslyusedinHull1andcanbesetupaseitheragearedordirectdrivearrangement.

    Youwillneedtosupplythelongchineandgunwaletimbersandthehullcoveringmaterialsaswellastherunninggear.Thechineandgunwaleare4mm(5/32")squaresectionmaterialasfulllengths(1200mmplusor4'plus)ofbalsaorharderwoodsuchasRaminorSpruceandyoucancoverthehullin

    whateveryoulike,Iamusing2layersof0.8mm(1/32")BirchplywhichIhavelasercutinto1/20thscale6"wideplanks,justliketherealthingwhichwascoveredintwolayersof1/2"Mahoganyplankswithwaterproofedmuslinclothbetweenthelayers.

    ModelHull2variesfromModelHull1inthefollowingways:

    1.Themotorsaremountedclosetotheoriginallocationandaremuchfurtheraft(rearward)thaninHull1,thismeansthatthepropshaftsaremuchshorterandcanbeboughtascomplete8"typesratherthanhavingtomakethemupyourself.Ihaveallowedforboth6.35mm(1/4")or8mmoutsidediameterprop

    shafts.Movingthemotorsmeansthattheboatwillbebalancedbetterasthebatterieswillbefurtherforwardinfrontofthemotors.

    2.Thehull2shapehasamuchmoreconcaveprofileinthesidesandbottomwhichisasclosetotheoriginalElcoPT103class80'hulldrawingsasIcangetit.

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    3.ThepropellershaftsareparalleltoeachotherliketheoriginalfullsizeboatandnottaperedoutwardslikeHull1whichgivesmoreroomforlargermotorsuptoSpeed700/775size.Seethiscurrentarticleonmotors:www.rcboatmodeler.com/pdf/MEGA_MOTOR_GUIDE.pdf

    4.ThewingruddersaresplayedoutwardsattheafthullbottomangleliketheoriginalElcoboats,thisshouldhelptheboatturnbetterbyhelpingthebowtonot"digin"orhavethesterntryingtoliftwiththeparallelruddersinatightturnduetotheangleofthehullinthewaterasitleansintotheturn.

    5.Hull2isveryaccuratelylasercutsothereisaheaplessdrudgeworkinvolvedinbuildingit,forthosethathavenotbuiltHull1thereisaLOTofworkjustcuttingoutribsandmakingupthepropshafts,gearboxetcandtheendresultshouldbeamuchmoreaccuratelighterand"tighter"hull.ThewholeHull2

    skeletoncanbeputtogetherinacoupleofdays!

    Iamworkingonthesuperstructurekit(s)currentlyandrevisingthetorpedorolloffrackkitwhichwillalsobeavailableshortly.

    Iwilldoanextrememodelsoonish(butpleasedon'tholdyourbreath).Thismodelwillhaveall69+1ribswithVeedrivegearboxesandPackardenginesbutImayproduceitasahalfhulltoshowofftheinterior.

    Thisisanexampleofthelayoutofthelasercutskeletonkitforthenew'Hull2'at1/20thscale.

    (ThereisstillquitealotofwastematerialleftsoIamaddingextrapiecesthatIcanincludethatcanalsobecutfrom2mmply.)

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    Thisisthe1/20thSkeletonkitfinished,sandedandreadyforplanking.

    FinishingtheSkeletonKitintoaboat

    IlookedattheavailableplankingmaterialsandthepriceandIdecidedtomakeupsome1/20thscale6"planking(7.62mmwide)usingthelasercutter,Iwasgoingtousescale0.6mmbirchplybutit'sjustalittlebittooflimsysoIsettledon0.8mmwhichifscaleduptothefullsizeboatwouldmaketheoverall

    coveringthickness(twolayers)32mmorabout11/4"thick,whichifyouconsidertheoriginalboathadtwolayersof1/2"plankingandalayerofmuslinclothandglueinbetweenitwouldhavecomeoutthickerthan1"anywayandwithsomesandingthecoveringwillgetsomewhatthinner.Iget39stripsoutofa300x400mmsheetandeachstripisaprettygoodlengthtodotwostripsat45degreesorsoonthehullsurfaces,that'sabout15linealmetresor50linealfeetof

    plankingpersheet.Iusedabout8sheetstodotheentirecoveringintwolayers.

    TheFirstLayer

    Plankonesidestartingnearthebow,whereitmeetsthechine,gluetheplankstotheribsandchinetimbersbutNOTtoeachotheronthefirstlayer,thiswillleavesomeflexibilityfortheplankstomoveinbetweentheribswhenthesecondlayerisaddedlaterattheoppositeangle.Generallyitworksbesttoplank"upwards"sothatthegluerunsdownonthelastplanksostartnearabottomcornerbutyoudon'twanttostartrightattheboworalloftheafttimberswill

    wanttobebenttofitagainstthelastoneasthetwistintheplanksatthehollowbowmakesthemiddleoftheplankseemfatter.Itdoesn'treallymatterifyoucanseedaylightbetweentheplanksonthefirstlayerjustallowtheplankstofindtheirowncurve.Icuttheexcessplankingoffatthechinewithagoodpairofsidecutters(nailclippersshouldworkalso).Thereshouldbeabout110stripspersidedependingontheangle,Iendedupwith3or4moreononeside,notimportantontheinnerlayers.IletthehullshapechoosetheanglewherethewoodwantedtogonearthebowandthenmadesurethatIcouldgettwostripsoutofeachlengthofplankingwithouttoomuchwaste.Iftheangleischosencorrectlythestripswillbefairlystraightendtoendwithjustatwisttotakeupthehullshape.Thenfileorsandoffthechinetothebottomshape,thebowtotheoppositesideshapeandthetransomflush.Thevariouslayersofplankingwillalternatelyoverlapatthejoinededgesmakingforverystrongjoints.Iusedmediumsuperglueandpressurefrom4or5fingerstoholdtheplankingin

    place.ThereisaLOToftimerequiredherebutveryrelaxing!

    Andrememberifyoudon'tglueyourfingerstothehullinlotsofplaces,you'reprobablynotusingenoughglue!

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    Sandthechineedgetomeetthehullbottomshape.

    Oncethesidesareplankedandedgesanded,startonthebottomplanking,againIstartedfromthelongestpiecesnearthebowandworkedforwardsandthenaft.

    IamveryhappywiththestrengthandtheshapeofHull2,it'salreadylookingfabulous!

    Asyougetfurtheraftitbecomesapparentthatsandingthefirstsideplankingofftothekeelangleisnotgoingtoworkontheaftendduetotheshallowanglesinvolvedsoafterabouttherib25positionIstartedsawingtheplanksthroughusingapencillineandahobbysawandthenusingtheremainingplankhalfon

    theotherbottomside,ifsawnthroughcarefullytheresultingbuttjoinisaperfectangle

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    Forwardofrib25sandtheplankingofftothekeelshapeandoverlapthekeeljoin.

    Asyoupassthevariouskeelcutoutsforpropshaftsandruddersetc.cutsmallerholesoutoftheplankingsothatyouknowwheretheyarelater.Cutthepropshaftholesmoretosternthanyouthinkortheywillbetoofarforward.

    Onceyouhavefinishedbothsidesandbottomplanking,trim,fileandsandalltheedgestothehullshape.Don'troundtheedges,keepthemreallysharp,particularlythekeelatthebowaswehavetoputonmoreplankingyet.Ifiledoffoneflatsideofacorksandingblockasaprogressivecurveandthensuper

    gluedsomefairlyroughsandpapertoittomakeasandingblockasimilarshapetothebowshape.Iamreallypleasedwiththishull!

    Oncethetransomissandedapplyplankingreallyneatly,buttjoinedattheangleshown,Therewillbeonlyonelayerofplankinghereasthereisnoneedfortwolayersduetothesolidwaterprooftransom.Cutouttheexhaustpipeholesasyougowithascalpel,littlecutsatatime.

    LayerTwo

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    Oncethebottomandtransomarecoveredwithonelayerofplankingandsandedoffstartonlayertwoonthesides.Startattherearfulllengthandworkbacktothetransomandthenplankforwards.IchosetheplankanglebasedonacoupleofpicturesthatIhaveinbooksandthemovie"GiantKillers",whichisamovieoftheElcoboatconstructionin1943,anditisalsobasedoneachfullstripbeingabouthalfthelength(~200mm)ofthelasercutstripsthatImadesothatthereisverylittlewastage.Thiscomesoutveryclosetotheoriginalboatplankingangle.Runalineofgluedowntheedgeofthelastplankandanother

    linejustinfromwherethenewplankwillendandalongthechinejoinline.

    Thisisthebowwithbothsidesdoubleplanked,theplankingangleisnotbadbutifthestripswerelongeritwouldhavebeenmoreaccurateatthebow.

    Oncethesidesaresandedofftothechineedgeyoucanstartonthesecondlayerofbottomplanking,againIstartedwitha"half'lengthofplanking(~200mm)nearthebowandIwillplanktothebowandthentothestern.

    Thisisthehullalldoubleplankedwithjustalightsand.

    Thereareapproximately110stripspersurfaceand25stripsonthetransomsoallupthereareinexcessof900stripsofplankingand2x2ozbottlesof"Flash"mediumcyanoacrylatesuperglue(NHP322)..

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    InordertofillupmostofthegapsbetweentheplanksandregluetheoddstripthatwasalittlelooseononesideImadeupaverythin5050solutionofPVAwoodglueandwaterandpaintedthewholesurfaceofthehull,thissolutionsoaksrightinbetweenthestripsofwood,Ithenmadeupaslightlythicker

    solutionandpaintedittwicemore,aboutadayaparttoletthepreviouscoatdryfully.Oncedrythehullcanbesandedagainandthenpainted.Iwillprobablypaintthishull'ForestGreen'asIintendtomakeitintoPT109.IwanttoleavesomeevidenceoftheplankingsoIdon'twantthesurfaceperfectlysmooth,Iwanttobeabletoseetheplankjoinsbutitdoesneedtobewaterproofobviously!Ifyouwantamoresmoothfinishyoucouldmixsomesandingsawdustin

    withthefinalPVAsolutionwhichwillactasafiller.

    Thisisthehullfilledandsandedandremovedfromtheassemblyboard(left,inmydiningroom)comparedtopicturesoftheoriginalhull(right,inElco'sFactory)fromVictorChun'sbookandItriedrealhardtogettheperspective,anglesandlightingthesame.BasedonthesecomparisonsIreckontheoriginalplankingwasprobably5"wideandnot6"wide.Itrimmedupthesideplankingaroundthedecklevelwithathincuttingbladeina"Dremel"andthensanded

    flushwiththeribtops.Anadvantageoflasercuttingisthatitleavestheedgesbrownsoyoucanseeyou'vesanded.

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    Thesetwopicturesshowthebuildingrunnersstrippedoffleavingtheupstandsectionthroughthecenteroftheboat,thedeckingwillgoaroundtheupstandwhichistheretoprovideabasetoholdthesuperstructureonandtostopwatergettingintothehullwhenunderway.

    Thisisthe8"propshaftandtheuniversalcouplingsthatIwillbeusinginthe1/20thscaleHull2,thebrasspartsofthecouplingsareavailableineverysizeyoumightneedtosuitanymotororpropshaftsize,shownhereare4mm,5mmand3.18mm(1/8")Ibelievetheseareavailableallovertheworldandare

    brandedas"RadioActive"inAustralia.

    Propshafts,newcaststrutsandcastruddersfitted,therewillbethreemorestrutsfurtheruptheshafts,fittedlater.Icutthepropshaftoutertubesdownto110mm(4.33")long,droveoutthebearingfromtheshortleftoverendusingthebluntendofadrillbitthatjustfittedtheinsideofthetubeandpresseditintothenewshortertube.Iwasgoingtomountthemwiththepropshafttubeendsstickingoutoftheboatwithsquarecutendsandnotfittheextrastrutsbutthendecidedthatthatwouldlookcrap,soIthenpushedthebearingsfurtherupthetubesandcutthetubesatanangletomatchthehullopeningssothatthebrasstubewouldbeflushwiththehull,easierthanIthoughtactually.IthenfittedthestrutsandtubesoneatatimeusingAralditeandinsertedalongpieceof4mm

    diameterstainlesssteelpianowiretolineupthestrut,shafttubeandthroughthemotormounttokeepitallinlinewhilethegluecured.Thecentrestrutneededalittle"fitting"intothehullasitsanglewithrespecttothehullisveryslightlydifferenttotheoutsidestruts.

    Makesureyoudon'tepoxythetemporary4mmshaft!!!

    YoumayalsonoticethatIhavethreedifferentpropellersfitted,twodifferentshape35mmtypesanda40mm,allRaboesch,IhavefittedthemwithalocknutastheyarealllefthandpropellersbutonceIhavedecidedonthetypetouseIwilluseananaerobicgluetolockthemontotheshaftsandgetridofthenutas

    itjustdoesn'tlookright.

    Ihaveboughtsomenew40mmprops,twomoreofthe15606whichistheclosestshapetotheoriginalboat,a4bladedtypewhichRaboeschrecommendforfastboatswhichisaRHtypeasIwanttotrythecenterproprotatingintheoppositedirectiontotheoutsidepropsandIalsofoundacutelittle4bladed20mmpropforthe1/35thHull2modelwhichhasanM3thread,thereisalsoa3bladedversionbutthebladearealookedabittinysoIwilltrythreeofthesefirst!

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    ThehullcoveringhasbeenslightlycountersunkandthenrepaintedattherudderholesastheruddertubeshaveOringsthatIwantedtokeepinplacebetterthanjustsquashingthemoutofshape,particularlythemiddleoneonthemainkeel..

    Testmotorsanduniversalsfitted,threedifferentmotors,twobrushlessandone700sizebrushmotor.

    Allthreeruddersfittedwithtillerarmsconnectedwithuniversalcouplings,threadedrodandadualballcouplingatthecentrearm.Istillneedtocoupletheservototherudderlinkageanditwouldbereallyhelpfulifthetillerarmshada'T"shape,ImayhavetomakeupsomethingasIdidinboat1.

    Adrawingandphoto'softhepropshaft,Imademinefromthe8"long"RadioActive"onesthatIbought(photodoesnotshowthecorrectlength,justatrial).ThebrasstubeMUSTcomeoutthroughthehullplankingsotheopeningcanbesealedproperly,fromasandingandfinishingperspectivethebrassis

    probablyeasiertosandthanthebirchply,soitcanbesandedflushoryoucanfillthegapifitisslightlybelowthesurface.Thecentretubeneedstobefiledto

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    anangleoneachsidetomaketheshapeofthekeel.

    17thJune2005Hull2Inthepoolwith3AXIBrushlessmotors

    That'ssomeseriouswater

    TheseshotsarewiththreeAXI282010brushlessmotors,two40mm3bladeLHpropsandone40mm4bladeRHprop,twoJiaBao40AbrushlesscontrollersandoneKontronic40Acontroller,sonoreverseyet.

    Iamverypleased,thisboatisveryhardtoholdandIhaveafeelingitisgoingtogolikeabatoutofhell!!!Thatroostertailistwiceashighastheboatandittookmeawhiletomopupthemess!

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    Thisiswhatmadeallthemess,Imadeafanononeofthemotorsbuttheydon'tseemtogethotanyway!

    BobKoskisentmeapictureofhisfullyplankedHull2beingthoroughlyscrutinisedbyhismarineinspector"Mippsey"

    BobisintheUSandforcoveringhebought0.8mmFinnishBirchPlyfrom"AircraftSpruceandSpecialties"andusedastandardBalsasplitterwitha#11ExactoBladetomakethestrips,heglueditwithmediumCAandalsousedanoldmonokotehotirononmediumheattoirontheplyintoshapewhichhesaid

    relaxesthewoodandallowsittofiteasierandkeepsmuchoftheglueoffyourfingers.

    Nowthedecktoplankornottoplank?TheElcomovie"GiantKillers"oftheoriginalconstructionshowsafullhalfwidth,80'lengthofscarfjoinedplysheetbeingbroughtinbyoveradozenmenandlaiddownontheboatsdeckandthenscrewedintoplacewithmanythousandsofscrewsbutmanyphoto'softheboat'sdeck'sshowlineslikeplanking.AlsothereisapictureinVictorChun'sbookthatseemstoshowplankingonan80'boat.Wasthedeckplankedover

    theplymaybe?

    (C)Copyright2004,2005JohnDrain