Mozart, String Quintets in C Major & G Minor (1788)

Recording: Franz Beyer

& the Melos Quartet (1987)

Hold Assignment II until the Break

DQ64: Who is Ordinary Reader?

Some Commentators: Ordinary Reader of Protected Category in Question

• How Show Fact-Finder?

DQ64: Who is Ordinary Reader?

Some Commentators: Ordinary Reader of Protected Category in Question

• How Show Fact-Finder? – Expert Testimony– Members of Group– Focus on Stereotypes/Cultural Symbols

DQ64: Who is Ordinary Reader?

Some Commentators: Ordinary Reader of Protected Category in Question

• Statutory & Policy Arguments (Pro and Con): ALPS

DQ64: Who is Ordinary Reader?

Some Commentators: Ordinary Reader of Protected Category in Question

• Note: Courts have split

DQ64: Who is Ordinary Reader?

Should definition vary with publication in which ad appears:

• Ordinary NY Times Reader?

• Ordinary NY Post Reader?

ANNOUNCEMENTS

• ASSIGNMENT II: SUBMIT AT BREAK

• ASSIGNMENT III– Pick up ad at break– Qs?

ANNOUNCEMENTS

• ASSIGNMENT II: SUBMIT AT BREAK• ASSIGNMENT III• UNIT IV ONLINE

– Not Doing Standing– Definitional Qs– Statutory Drafting

• In-Class Group Exercise on Thurs 10/12• Review Substantive Material for Midterm• Techniques for Assignment IV & Final Exam

ANNOUNCEMENTS

• ASSIGNMENT II: SUBMIT AT BREAK

• ASSIGNMENT III

• UNIT IV ONLINE

• INFO MEMO #3– Assmt I Comments & Models– Old Exam Qs Covering Unit IV Material– Groups for 10/12 Drafting Exercise

ANNOUNCEMENTS

• ASSIGNMENT II: SUBMIT AT BREAK

• ASSIGNMENT III

• UNIT IV ONLINE

• INFO MEMO #3

• FORM FOR SCHEDULING MAKE-UP CLASS

Mt. Aconagua, Argentina

DQ65: ANDES

Most/Least Problematic: a) “ Divorced white professional female

seeks roommate”

b) “ Spanish speaker preferred”

c) “ Perfect for Singles or Couple”

d) “ Walking distance to shopping”

e) “ Convenient to Knights of Columbus”

DQ66: Human Models

• Every court that has addressed issue has held use of human models can violate 3604(c).

• Not particularly controversial today

DQ66: Human Models

• Courts hold use of human models can violate 3604(c)

• Statutory Arguments in Support– No language to contrary– Models can “indicate a preference”– Non-Binding HUD Reg (24 CFR §109)

DQ66: Human Models

• Courts hold use of human models can violate 3604(c)

• Policy Arguments in Support– If discouraging applicants, should ban– Pictures can be stronger than words– Completely within control of advertiser.

DQ66: Human Models

• Courts hold use of human models can violate 3604(c)

• Policy Arguments in Support– If discouraging applicants, should ban– Pictures can be stronger than words– Completely within control of advertiser.

• Best Counterarguments?

DQ66: Human Models (Andes)

• Cases all involve race or familial status

• Possibility of human model claim based in “Handicap”?– What might you do with a multi-photo ad

campaign to avoid claim of dispreference based on “handicap”?

DQ66: Human Models (Andes)

• Cases all involve race or familial status

• Possibility of human model claim based in “Handicap”?– What might you do with a multi-photo ad

campaign to avoid claim of dispreference based on “handicap”?

– Should human models caselaw be extended to include “handicap”?

DQ67: Evidence in Saunders• 68-photo brochure; virtually no Afr-Am models

(face of ads + common sense)

• Expert testimony re effects of racial composition of ads

• Testimony re reaction by members of group

• Evid. of Ds intent: notes re draft of brochure – Note Q’ing where “best places for blacks” would be– Note re use of models in picture of swimming pool

• “shd we use blacks in this area?”• “Yes (not in water per J.H.”)

DQ67: Saunders (Andes)

Suppose D argues:

We should be allowed to manipulate race (etc.) to make most of our target audience comfortable, so long as we’re not sending exclusionary messages.

OK under statute?

DQ67: Saunders Remedy:Possible Arguments by Plaintiff

• Re Injunction:– fraud– only put in Afr-Am models right before trial– underlying violation– general reluctance to comply

DQ67: Saunders Remedy:Possible Arguments by Plaintiff

• Re Injunction:– fraud– only put in Afr-Am models right before trial– underlying violation– general reluctance to comply

• Re Proportional Representation: – Given history of resistence, fair remedy– Only way to guarantee won’t be manipulated

DQ67: Saunders Remedy

Note that even with fairly unsympathetic large repeat offender, court is reluctant to impose very strong remedy.

DISCUSSION GROUPSSPRING DQ 68-69-70Canepa, BernardCanepa, Bernard Frazer, Amanda Hager, LaurenKim, Michael Potu, SwethaZarin, GregoryLEFT FRONT

FALL: DQ 68-69-70James, Robert Lomax, ChrisMeisels, EstherMeisels, EstherMoskowitz, OrenOhayon, CoreyLEFT REAR

SUMMER: DQ 69-70-68Harrison, Stacy Mroczek, AshleyNuzum, RobertOppenheimer, Daniel Tankha, NeenaWolgin, MichaelWolgin, MichaelRIGHT FRONT

WINTER: DQ 70-68-69Drude, Rachel Drude, Rachel McGinn, ShannonMuller, ErikaSteinman, Rebecca Townsend, HenryRIGHT REAR

DQ68. Saunders holds discriminatory adverti-sing doesn’t violate §1982. Assume Ps appeal that decision.

Arguments for each side based on statutory language & what you know of Congress’s intent?

In fn1, court says this statutory question is essentially irrelevant to the result in Saunders anyway. Can you think of a situation where it might matter?

•DQ69. Developer advertising new houses (“Fungible Estates”) built on the edge of a major city, runs ads on billboards which say:

We At The New Fungible Estates Development (Located at 17000 175th Ave) Believe That The Fair Housing Act is a Violation of Your Consti-tutional Rights to Property and Association.

Does this violate the FHA?- Start w Ordinary Reader Test- Discuss Facts/Context That Might Matter

DQ70. How do the Wisconsin and Miami Beach provisions on

advertising differ from §3604(c)?

• Create a list of differences for each.

• Try to identify situations where the differences in language would yield different results?

DISCUSSION GROUPSSPRING DQ 68-69-70Canepa, BernardCanepa, Bernard Frazer, Amanda Hager, LaurenKim, Michael Potu, SwethaZarin, GregoryLEFT FRONT

FALL: DQ 68-69-70James, Robert Lomax, ChrisMeisels, EstherMeisels, EstherMoskowitz, OrenOhayon, CoreyLEFT REAR

SUMMER: DQ 69-70-68Harrison, Stacy Mroczek, AshleyNuzum, RobertOppenheimer, Daniel Tankha, NeenaWolgin, MichaelWolgin, MichaelRIGHT FRONT

WINTER: DQ 70-68-69Drude, Rachel Drude, Rachel McGinn, ShannonMuller, ErikaSteinman, Rebecca Townsend, HenryRIGHT REAR