n°- · combustion product stream. for this the appropriate and rejected the standard is sufûcient...
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REASONEDDOCUMENTS
A)CommentsFurnishedbydesirable
suppliers:
A(RDSO’sspecification
no.RDSO/PE/SPEC/AC/0197-2019
(Rev-0)-FinalDraft
specificationfor
fresh.supply
and
returnbelowduct
made
ofMetaAramid/
ParaAramid
fabricwith
siliconrubber
coatingon
bothsides
forRMPU
forLHBEOG/HOG
typeACcoaches
ofIndian
Railways}
lause
Clam
asperRDSOSpec.RDSOIPEISPECIO197-2019(Rev.0)
.Flrm's
comments
Accepted!
RDSOComments
"015-Ml:
SidwalMl:
Ato
2group
MI:PRS
MlsPerfect
R°l°¢t°dN°-
Permacevat.
Techno
Ltd.Consultants
2.1Unlessotherwise
specifiedin
tenderthe
manufacturershall
supplyAgreed
Must
includefor
Agree
nsupply
Agreed
RejectedIn
thisregard.
itis
cleartythe
coatedfabric
completewith
metallicframes
atboth
theendsof
supplyof
onlybnc
also(in
mentioned
inthe
clause.the
ducti.e.
RMPU
side&coach
shellside
asper
RDSO
drawingFabn'c
as
well,in
ers)
incase
theNo.
RDSO/PE/SKIAC/0069—2004
case
onlyfabric
ailwayor
RMPU
(Rev.3).2
nos.each
forflesh
air&
returnair
andone
no.For
isdemanded
by
manutacturerasks
supplyair
perRMPU.
EPDM
(Fireretatdant)
gasketfor
bothbuyer.
for.RMPUandcoach
shellsides
shouldalso
besupplied.
2.2The
materialshouldbesupplied
inthe
widthof
1meter
+/-5%
MIA
N/A
NIA
N/A
Rejected
Thespecification
isfor
bellowduct
made
ofMeta/ParaAramidfabric
and
notthe
fabriconly.
4‘0|S'13501
Determinationof
flammabilityby
oxygen
Agreed
Agre
Agreed
Agreed
N/A
Allare
agreed.‘
index$7941
gmmW
thewater
repellency
Method
fordetermining
resistanceto
IS:391penetration
bywater
offabries
by
hydrostatichead
testIS'1390
Methods
fordetermination
ofpH
valueof
‘aqueousextracts
oftextile
materialsIS:
6911
Stainlesssteel
plate,sheet
and
stripShould
be
TobeRemoved
ASTMD751
RejectedThementionedstandard
isremoved
isthe
tobe
used
fortest
specificationmethods.
5for
generalcoated
fabricandrubber
ASTM
D751
Standard
testmethods
forco
tedproducts
forgeneral
applicationslike
RainWear,
Trampoline
and
others.Regulations
Should
be
TobeRemoved
Tobe
RejectedThestandard
issufficient.
UIC564-2OR
Inpassenger
removed.
Removed
assimilatedveh
serwoes.
EN45545
EuropeanRailway
standardforfire
safetyAgreed
Agreedreed
WA
A"are
339'6"“-.
..
..
NIA
Tobeadded
NIA
Tobeadded
added
RejectedAlready
equivalent
DlN55102-2004
mg?”
F“Wmm
'"Remy
standardEN
45545is
'mentioned
inthe
clause.
Testingof
textiles;simple
tensiletest
on
NIA
Tobeadded
NIA
To
0beadded
RejectedThestandard
issufficient
DlN53857
stflpsof
textiletam.
woven
fabritsand
formeasuringmentioned
ribbonsparameters.
5.1Fabric
ofthe
bellowduct
shallbeMetaAramid
lParaAramid
withAgreed
ParaAramid
notAgreed
notNIA
RejectedProvision
hasbeenmade
siliconrubber
coatingonboth
sides.tested
bylCF.
F.ICF
forboth
typeof
coated
aAramid
fabrics.
againstPO.
/17/5397/5431IF,
d.-12.10.2017
N/A
NIA
NIA
Paraaramid
RejectedThe
specificationis
forto
be
bothpara
andmeta
removed
aramidcoated
fabric.
because
paraaramid
arenot
UV
resistantand
lossesits
performance
8.strength
in
duecourse
oftime.
Para
Aramid
Fabricsare
alsopropensity
toabsorb
moisture,upto
5%
moistureregain
and
alsopara
aramids
havingpoor
compressive
forcesproperties.
5.2Parameters
UnitTest
ptableI
itlgrade
W
Flameretardant
Grade
EN45545
R1IHL-3;R7lHL-2
R1/HL3may
be
theTypographicalError.
Itis
R1/HL1;
R7lHL2.
1
Should
be
R1/HL1;
R7lHL-
Agreed
Itshould
beR1/HL
orR7lHL-1
R1&R7/HL1.
'sighest
firesafety
regulations.
orldwideRolling
R1/HL—1
toR7lHL-2
only8.
beingthe
safetyand
encouraging
theuseof
non-flamable
materialfor
rollingstock
inten‘orapplications,
thereforethis
need
tobemodified
fromHL-3
toLllOMlu
Accepted
(R1/HL1)
Revisedclause
tobe
readasfollows:
Acoe
tablelimitl
rade
R1lHL-1;R7lHL-2
Thickness ASTMD751
must
be
1.2(min)
toadhere
as
per
RDSO
modificationsheet
RDSO/PE/MS/A
CI079-2018.
I||—L
0!Il’.
HL-3would
notbe
possibleto
attainin
MetaAramid
material.
Agreed
Accepted
Revisedclause
tobe
readas
follows:
We
propose
asper
DIN
Rejected Thestandard
mentioned
issufficient
forgiven
TensileStrength
(i).Warp
(ii).Wefl
MPa
ASTM
D751
(Grab
TestMethod)
(i).350
(ii).325
Agreed
Notrequired
parameter.
Wotking
temperaturerange
0690From
to+80
-20Working
Temperature
range
toMeta
andParaaramid
is(-50
degree
to+180
degree).Moreover
heatingair
temperatuuein
case
ofOHP
failureis
more
Resistance
tospreadofflame
Appendix—5
ofUlC564-20R
Class
—A
Shouldbe-50
to+180
TensileWarpNVeft
bedaN/5cm
53857d
passenger
coaches,we
proposefor
DIN53857,
3800/
3570N/
50MM
N/A
Clause
willbe
replacedwith
BreakingStrength.
to+180
as
perearlier
specificationShouldbe
-50to
+180
asper
ModificationSheet
RDSO/PE/M
SlAC/079-
2018
Accepted
(+180)Revisedclause
tobe
readas
follows:
Acoe
tablelimitl
rade
From-20
to+180
Already
covered
withDIN
&EN
Standards
Resistanceto
spreadof
flame
ispan
ofEN
45545-2&
anymaterial
toachieve
theFlame
retardancyEN
levelneed
tobe
asper
ISO
5658-2
forresistance
toflame.
Rejected Thestandard
mentioned
isdetailed
andnecessaryfor
mentionedparameter.
6.Limiting
oxygen
index(min.)
|S:1350128
theheat
releaserate
isdetermined
bymeasureme
ntof
theoxygen
consumption
derivedfrom
oxygen
concentrationandthe
flow
ratein
combustion
productstream.
Forthis
theappropriate
and
RejectedThestandard
issufficient
formeasun'ngmentioned
parameter.
7.Toxicity,
(CIT)Conventionalindex
ofToxicity
(at50
kW/m2heat
flux)
EN45545
8.
Deteriorationof
visibilitydue
tosmoke
Appendix—1
5of
UlC
OR
—2 50.9
oxicityshould
be50.09
recommend
edISO
standardis
ISO5660—1
Itshould
be
$0.1as
toxicityis
importantparameter
and
inolder
FRS
ToxicityFED
was<0501
at15mins
We
recommend
requestfor
ISO5659-
222012as
referencedbyEN
45545-2
forToxicityLevels.
Accepted
Revisedclause
tobe
readasfollows:
TestAoceptabl
method]
eInstrument]
limit/gradeStandardslSpecification
EN45545-2
50.1
Notrequired
Not
required,covered
inDIN5510
&EN45545
Insufficientstandard.
smoke
generationto
be
measured
inaccordance
toEN
Rejected Thestandard
issufficient
formeasuringmentioned
parameter.
9.Waterproofneeel)
Coneteet
ll)Hydroetetlcheedteet
l)is:7941
ll)IS:391
)Weter
shouldnot
leakthrough
cloth.lll)Reeletence
ofwater
fabrics.water
held
Inem
specialproofed
23.
Agreed
Bothteete
usedto
etn
thed
weth
teep
3not
ISO5659-
22012
(asreferencedby
EN
45545-2)
Water
shouldnot
leakthrough
cloth81
resletanceof
waterfabrics,
waterhead
Inem
specialproofed
23.Water
tlghtneeeas
percone
test.The
RejectedThe
standardle euficlent
formeasuring
mentionedparameter.
10
Weight
g/m
ASTMD751
14001100
00itmustbe
1400min
same
as
per
RDSO
modificationsheetRDSO/PE/MS/A
C/079«2018.
relevantspec
forname
isDIN
EN
20011. eight
shouldbe
">14oog/m’"
forbetter
fabricquality.
Agreed
Weightshould
be">1400".
Higherthe
weightbetter
isthe
quality.Weight
depends
onthe
coatingof
silicone,more
thecoating
betteris
theproduct
quality.It
ehouldbe
1400
(minimum)
ee
perthe
oldepeclflcatlon.
ItIe
to
protectcloth
fiber:from
open
environment. We
request
formin
1400only.
As
muchas
thecoating
onfebrlce.would
bebeneficial
forRellweye
forlong
lifeof
thefinal
product.This
Isto
protectthe
AramidFabric
fromenvironment
effects. Awepted
(1300min)
Revisedclause
tobe
readas
follows:
WW
1300(min)
11pH
valueIS:
1390(cold
6.0-8.5Agreed
Agreed
Agreed
reedNIA
Allare
agreed.method)
12UV
resistantAs
per-
Specmcatlon/Type
testof
Specificationreed
NIA
ThereIsno
relevantrelevant
Standardto
beweathering
Speclfled.epeclflcation
mentionedby
standardsprovided.
resistancein
anyone.Theparameter
leweatherometer;
deleted.Standard
SAE
J2527
13
Firebehaviourand
BIN5516
i.84
NIA
Tobeadded
NIA
N/A
Rejected
Thementionedparameter
fireside
effectsof
ii.SR2
anis
alreadycovered
inthe
material&
partsiii.
8T2
specification.Proposal
ofi.
FlammabilityDIN5510
isrejected
classfor
above.ii.
Smoke
fire-
generation
classIt’s
theonly
standardiii.
Dropletclass
withspecific
railway__
14Toxicity.
FractionalDIN5510
<0.01Tobeadded
vehicleSpecification
RejectedThementioned
parameterEffective
Dose
and
importantfor
isalready
coveredIn
the(FED)
preventionof
firein
specification.at
15minutes
case
sub-standard
products
are
used
insideof
passenger
coach.
Itwas
partof
earlierspecification
also
15Breaking
StrengthASTMD751
XDirection-
Tobe
added
AcceptedClause
adjustedin
place3300
of5.2
(3)Le.
tensileY
Direction:strength.
>800
5.3The
testingshall
be
gotdone
fromany
ofthe
NABL
IGovt.Teetlng
fromAgreed
Testingfrom
The
testRejected
The
detailsmentioned
inrecognlzed
laboratoryon
flnlehedcoated
fabricand
theteet
reportlntemetlonal
Internationalreports
fromthe
clauseare
sufficient.complying
withthe
abovepropertlee/paremetere
shallbe
submittedLabs
shouldalso
Recognisedlntemetlonell
toProduction
unIt/RDSO.’
be
acceptableLaboratory
shouldyrecognleed
byProduction
alsobe
eooeptableIebe
(ILAC)Unltel
RDSO.
alongwith
shouldbe
NABLIGovt.considered.
recognizedLaboratories.Example:
lLAC
le
recognitionIn
accordancewith
lSO/lEC17011.
Meet
ofthe
IntemetlonelLabs
areILAC
certifiedjust
likeNABL
InIndia.
5.5The
eervloellte
ofthe
above
bellowduct
materlelunder
actualAgreed
Minimum
Servle
eervloeAccepted
Revisedclause
tobe
readprevalllng
oondltloneon
IRinopenenvironment
shallnot
tobe
leesLife
shouldbe
ofBellow
(60ae
follows:than33months.
Months.
Ale
eunder
months)
caseof
Snp
The
servicelife
ofthe
Fabricwe
lllngabove
bellowduct
underonly
tondltlon
onactual
prevailingof
FIR
oondltloneon
"RIn
open
taenvironment
envlronmentehall
notto
shallnot
be
beless
then60months.
leesthan
42
monthe
(threeand
_half
years).5.6
Supplier/Manufacturer
haveto
declarethe
OEM
ofMetaAramld/
Agreed
RejectedThe
detailsmentioned
inPare
Aramidfabric
withsilicon
rubbercoating
alongwith
theclause
areeutflcient.
documentssubmitted
toRDSO/PUe.
withthe
Illlconrubber
coatingalong
withdocuments
We
toRDSO/PUe.
5.3During,
acceptanceteat,
inspectingauthority
may
askfor
testAgreed
As
eome
testare
Allthe
Tut
AcceptedDurlng,aooeptanoetest.
reportof
above
carrledout
testsfrom
Govt.INABL
accreditedlab
withInternational
reportsinspecting
authoritymay
atexpensesof
fln'n.Standards.
Freehshould
beaek
forprevious
testTest
tobe
validfor
03
reportsof
abovecarried
conductedevery
3years
and
outtest:
fromGovt.
INABL
yearefrom
thedate
Inspectingaccredited
Iebat
expenses
ofApproval
fromauthority
offlrrn.
Alltests
onfabric
RDSO.
Freahtesting
ehouldabide
shallbe
repeatedafresh
forevery
lotwill
theaflereveryayears.
havemajor
priceprototype
escalationon
theapprovals
byeelllng
price.Also
forRDSO&PU
emaillot
sizeit
isfor
eame.lmpractlcal
tomake
Fabricbeing
tests.EN
andDIN
epeclfledmaterial
a.frequenttestingwould
have
O00.!
paoton
roduot.5.9
Finishedfabric
shallbeUV
rayeresistant.
Agreed
Specificationt
AcceptedUV
resistantparameter
IeSpecified.
deleted.
5.10The
Fabricmaterial
shouldbe
HalogenFree
andN0
ChemicalNIA
NIA
Tobeadded
RejectedThe
detailsmentioned
Inresistance
fromAcid,
Alkali,Solvents
andMineral
8.synth
oilsthe
clauseare
notas
perthe
parametersto
be
_teetgd
Inclause
no.5.2
5.11Test
on
siliconcoating
N/A
NIA
Tobeadded
RejectedThe
testof
thefinished
Density134+003g/cm‘
DINENISO11834
productsls
only'
-‘
acceptable.Separate
testsTensile
Strength_>_5.5
MPa
DIN53504
,onrubber
coatingare
not
TensileElongation3200%
DIN53504mm"@333"
pm°f
3.2(l)Satisfactory
Teetreport
ofthe
materlalfrom
anyof
theNABL
Agreed
Testingfrom
The
testRejected
The
detailsmentioned
lnIGovt.
remnlzed
laboratory,oomplylng
theparameters
asIntematlonal
reportsfrom
theclause
aresutflclent.
mentlonedIn
clauseNo.
5.2.Recognised
lntemetlonallLaboratory
shouldyrecognised
alsobe
acceptablelabs
(ILAC)along
withehould
beWW
recognlzed-
__L_aboratorlee.
6.2(li)Declaration
thatduct
willhave
servicelife
of33
monthe
(mln.).In
Minimum
ServiceThe
serviceAccepted
Revisedclause
tobe
readthe
eventof
premature
failure.complete
setof
ductsof
fullcoach
Llfeshould
be42
lifeof
Bellow(60
asfollowe:
(2RMPUI)
shallbe
replacedfree
ofcost.
Months
fromthe
fabricunder
months)
‘date
ofsupply.
Aleoactual
Declaretlonthat
ductwill
Incase
ofSupply
ofprevalllng
haveeervloe
lifeof60
Fabricwe
are
liablecondition
on
months(min).
Inthe
event
onlyfor
Servicelife
open
IRof
premature
failure,of
Fabric3
notfor
environment
completeset
ofductsof
completefabricated
shallnot
befull
coach(2RMPUe)
ehellaeeembly.
lessthan
42
bereplaced
freeof
cost.monthe
(threeand
halfyep).
6.3
Pastsupplyperformance
forsame
appliuots
NIA
NIA
NIA
NIA
Tobeadded
Accepted
Pastsupplyperformance
forRMPU);need
tobeensuredbythe
rprincipals
(ifany)for
same
toensurebestresults
andperforman
cts.applications.
needsto
be
.furnished
toRDSO.
9.1Frameand
thefabric
shallbe
noInformation
Agreed
Agreed
Agreed
Onlyon
theFrame
MarkingAccepted
The
detailson
theframe
preferablyInembossed
pattern:at
backsurface.
Inwouldbe
shallbe
inemboeeed
‘caseof
Stitchedonly
patternandon
fabricshall
a)Nameand
Addreeeol' the
manufacturer.Fabric
oronly
Fabrloeelble
onbe
Inprlnted/
etltched
b)Monthof
themanufacture.
“StIoker/HolograS
Flanges.pattern.
Inthle
regard,the
0)Serial
number
(The
firsttwo
dlgiteehall
Indicatethe
yearof
withdetalle"w‘
arklngdetalle
mentionedIn
the
manufactureand
nexttwo
dlglteshall
Indicatemonth.
Further'Stloked
elbleclauee
aresufficient.
nextfour
digitsehall
Indicatemanufacturing
serialnumber.)
onabrloe
0)Specification
number.10.0
GuaranteeIWarrantyobligation
ofthe
completeItem
shallbe
asAgreed
Agreed
Agreed
WarrantyAooepted(
GuaranteeNVarranty
perIRS
oondltlonof
contract.and
60
obligationof
thecomplete
-Guarentee
months)MMManths
,,
ofFabric
fromdate
ofsupply.
materlalwould
onlybe
possible,when
completebellow
set(along
withSSFrames)le
manufactured&procured
fromus.
Warranteewould
notbe
liableor
applicableIn
caseof
onlybellow
materialla
procuredfrom
us.
3)Commentefurnished
byRallwayelPUe:
ClaueeNo.
Clauseeaper
RDSOSpec.
RDSO/PEISPECIM07
-orthemRallwaye
ICFAccepted!
RDSOcomment-
2010(Rev.0)
Rejected
5.2(1)
FlameRetardant
AgreedR1IHL3
maybe
thetypographical
error.It Is
AcceptedRevised
clauseto
beread
asR1IHL1;R7/HL2
(R1IHL1)follows:
mummy:
__
R1/HL—1;R7lHL-2
5.2(2)
Thickness(mln)
Thlokneeemayvary
basedon
basematerial
AcceptedRevleed
clauseto
be
readas
12:01,
Itmust
dll'ferenoe
ofMeta3Para
aramid.In
placeof
perRDSO
modlflcatlonsheet
RDSO/Pg/MSIACIO79-2013.
be1.2
(mln)to
adhereas
follows:
W101
1.2(min)
5.2(4)
Workingtemperature
rangeWorking
Temperaturerange
tAccepted
Revisedclause
tobe
readan
Paraaramid
le(-50
degree+1
(+180)follows:
Moreoverheating
airto
OHP
fallureI:more
thtW
mustbe
-50to
+13
ModificationShe
I079-From
-20to
+180
2013
5.2(10)
Weight
onbase
Accepted
Revleed
clause
tobe
read
as
ParaAramid.
(1300min)
follows:_100
Itmustbe
RDSO
modificationWage
IAC/079-2013
1300(min)
5.10
Tobeadded
Mounting
arrangements
ofMeta
Aramid
Para
N/A
Accepted
Clause
tobereplacedwith
clause
Aramid
fabn'cshould
beno.
5.9asUV
raysresistant
clausethrough
Rivet/nutbolt
arrangement
onlyhasbeenremoved.Clause
tobe
can
be
detached
readasfollows:
damagingthe
canvas
cloth.Currently
the
.cloth
isaffix
Mountingarrangementsof
Meta
adhesivepastewith
metallicfra
AramidParaAramid
fabricshould
suitableas
itto
bethrough
sealant,rivet/nutbolt
damage
ofcanvas
duringmaintenan
_arrangflnent
only.1.3
Thelane
ofpre-mature
fallureeof
CottonCanvashae
AeInformed
byField
unite.there
hasno
Spec.Calla
forIRS
conditionsonly.
AcceptedNeceeeary
modlflcatlonemade
InWWW
POH
tnPOH
(sothe
.pggmwion
Railways.Ithas
been
theunanimousconsensus
thatoriginal
Germanym
coacheseven
calledfor
Inthe
spec.I:36
months,warranty
months)duct
shouldlast
POH
toPOH
(36monthe)
underafter
almost20y
Thue.It
Iscan
becovered
for72
monthe.prevalent
serviceconditions.
possibleto
ye
0al
life(even
5.5The
eervloelife
ofthe
abovebellow
ductmaterial
morethan
qualityMeta
underactual
prevailingcondltlone
onIR
Inopen
aramid!P
.Hence
ItIs
environmentshall
notto
belees
than33
months.reborn
lifeof
thebellow
ductmate
teast
72months(For
10Guarantee/
Warrantee
2ndPOH)
Inplace
of33