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NE78A Detail Specs Clarifications and Updates

Clarifications and Updates to the NEW SII Caliber NE78A:

The movement has a 28,800 VPH Frequency, same as the Valjoux 7750 and not 36,000, we

will adjust all Specs relating to this movement. All NE78A calibers are made in JAPAN. This

caliber does have a 45 hour power reserve. The watch (mainspring) is fully wound by

turning the crown 55 times. If you plan to use a watch winder for this model, the rotary

speed can be set at 30rpm, and will be fully charged within 60 minutes. Watch does contain

34 Jewels.

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03-09-2011, 07:51 AM

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That's cool. Thanks for the update.

Where did the confusion of 36,000 VPH originate anyway?

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Thanks Eyal that clears things up a bit. Is there a reason why the chrono hand mimmicks a

quartz? Thanks.

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***NE78A Detail Specs Calcs and Updates***

Thanks for the informative update re: the NEW SII Caliber NE78A movement.

Have a good one.

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03-09-2011, 08:27 AM

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Wow bpm r the same as Val 7750. But the price is certainly less

I can live with that

I'm n now on the 2 tone

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Thanks for the update, Eyal!

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36,000 or 28,800 bpm, who really cares?

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03-09-2011, 12:10 PM

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Interesting...It still a great looking watch...I tried to 'google' the

movement specs and came up with nothing..is the NE78A

movement used in any other brands Seiko or otherwise..Are

there any independent sources that can corroborate this vph

discrepancy..Who first reported the NE78A movement as being

3600 and how was that info misconstrued..Thanks Eyal for

setting the record straight..

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Sounds like the SII version of the Cal8R28.

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Does'nt seem like anything special anymore,would rather have a val. 7750 now.

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Ur right

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Does'nt seem like anything special anymore,would rather have a val. 7750 now.

Great looking watch but not special as originally represented

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Glad to see this is cleared up... I remember when I first saw it air, I noticed the chrono-hand

wasn't sweeping anywhere as smooth as a 36,000 bph movement should, so I'm not too

surprised to hear this. I imagine that early purchasers of the Ocean Speedway with this

movement might be a little disappointed when they see this.

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36,000 or 28,800 bpm, who really cares?

People that originally bought the Ocean Speedway with this particular movement thinking

that they were getting a 36,000 bph movement probably care, because I know I would.

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Where did the confusion of 36,000 VPH originate anyway?

It probably originated from people noticing that the chrono-seconds hand wasn't sweeping as

smooth as it should be for an advertised 36,000 bph movement at the time.

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The real question is why wasn't this oversight caught at the

timepieces debut??

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I'll take my speedway DD over this one all day long,now thats a special watch

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Does this movement feature a vertical clutch an column/pillar wheel? These are what to me,

seperate it from something like a 7750. If it does indeed have a clutch, this may explain the

skipping behavior if it was slipping or badly adjusted?

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Thanks for the Heads Up on the beat count. I still think that speedway is the best looking

new version yet, auto or quartz.

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I for one appreciate the honesty and the correction. I was considering this piece and I am

not sure how the info effects my decision.

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I appreciate honesty as well..its the timing I question...Why

weren't the correct specs on the movement not know or

communicated through proper channels at the timepieces

debut and how many geeks bought the watch thinking the VPH

was one thing when it was actually another..Not an

unreasonable question in my book..

Still in all a beautiful timepiece and I do appreciate Mr. Eyal

Lalo making amends with respect to the movements VPH..It

shows professionalism and that he is a good sport..I'm sure he

is an incredibly busy man with his job and his family..and few if

any CEO's would come out and make this statement...

Well done Mr. Lalo

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So what's up with the chrono seconds hand? Is it suppose to studer like that? The chrono

seconds hands operation was the true reason people did not purchase this watch. Even if it

operates at 28,800 bph it should have a very smooth sweeping chrono seconds hand; has

anyone that has purchased this watch received one with a smooth operating chrono seconds

hand? I'm just asking, I would like to know.

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03-09-2011, 05:46 PM

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I believe it is as smooth as the second hand on my Pro Diver with the SW200.

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Who cares?

Quote:

Originally Posted by AclayPS3

Glad to see this is cleared up... I remember when I first saw it air, I noticed the chrono-

hand wasn't sweeping anywhere as smooth as a 36,000 bph movement should, so I'm not

too surprised to hear this. I imagine that early purchasers of the Ocean Speedway with this

movement might be a little disappointed when they see this.

People that originally bought the Ocean Speedway with this particular movement thinking

that they were getting a 36,000 bph movement probably care, because I know I would.

It probably originated from people noticing that the chrono-seconds hand wasn't sweeping

as smooth as it should be for an advertised 36,000 bph movement at the time.

I would have cared, very much so !!!

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good lookin out thanks for the update

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03-09-2011, 06:36 PM

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I was happy to see Invicta posted a correction on the movement. I would think someone in

Invicta knew the correct VPH when the movements were purchased. Appears there's a

communications problem somewhere in the organization i.e., the correct specs weren't given

to the marketing department. Someone dropped the ball. It's good that the correction came

from Invicta first, then being discovered later and disclosed.

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03-09-2011, 06:50 PM

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Seriously....why does Invicta keep on claiming things that's not correct and then

when enough arguments are raised all over watch forums, then a "clarification

thread" comes up correcting the initial claims.

It has happened in the past with FF, Tritnite, Swiss Made controversy, sandstone

dials, etc.

For once, please stop claiming things which are not.......its no surprise most people

outside ShopNBC circle and this forum, will never touch any Invicta by a mile.

As much as I defend this brand on other watch forums, these things don't help in

any way.

To think people unknowingly believed this was a "v7750 equivalent".

On top of that, I believe Jim mentioned that this movement may have been more

expensive to implement than V7750. Any links to support that?

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Can't argue with da man n red above. It does take away some of the impressiveness of the

watch. When Jim starts his piece w a moment of silence for watch with such high beats u

think that should b accrate info

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36,000 or 28,800 bpm, who really cares?

I do and its a deal breaker for me.

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I'm just wondering how many people will send them back because of this discrepency,they

are still within the shops 30 day return policy

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I'm just wondering how many people will send them back because of this discrepency,they

are still within the shops 30 day return policy

It's a good question, and we'll never know. For one thing, WGs were not the majority of the buyers for these models; we rarely are.

Though, it seems like we are a huge forum with thousands and thousands of members, we only have a handful of active members

and our collective buying power likely pales in comparison to the huge segment of the viewers that ShopNBC can reach out to.

In this forum particularly, we have Invicta "die hard" fans that will

not be significantly swayed by this new development. If the watch looks good and tells time to within reasonable accuracy (a subjective

criteria), they will keep the watch and cheer that more may be in the works in the future.

But, there are a number of collectors that were probably heavily

influenced by the perceived "exclusivity" (something oftentimes touted on ShopNBC sales) of owning a movement with 36,000 VPH.

The watch was heavily marketed on this particular oddity. So, for those folks, this will devalue - if that's the right word - this watch in

their eyes.

For me, purchasing a new - relatively "untested" movement - would

not be a consideration at this juncture. However, the watch design is

very nice and I congratulate current and future owners. But, I won't be one of those fortunate few. I'd rather wait and see what else

develops out of this new movement and Invicta.

I'm actually surprised that this oversight was not caught earlier. I

mean, the actual watch was presented on ShopNBC as having a 36,000 VPH movement. Anyway, congrats to the owners of this

watch and I wish them lots of luck with them. Those watches look

great.

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Just finished reading your comments and asked my self what else I would add, and realized

you nicely/rationally covered all the bases, at least from my point of view. That said, all I've

got to say is - here, here.

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When the movements were ordered ahead of time from Seiko's

subsidiary..was Invicta made aware of the movements VPH at

the time the sale was contracted??

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Invicta, why not just buy the movement from Zenith? I know they still supply to Parmigiani

so you should still be able to get them. Then you can 100% make a 36,000 VPM watch.

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The more I read on this site n on the net I'm feeling mis lead n deceived. I re watched jims

initial video on shop n between what he n mike say this is wrong on mAny levels

Without sounding like a hater I feel deceived

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Very well said. I agree with you. For those that care about exclusivity this is a big deal or

possible deal breaker.

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Just finished reading your comments and asked my self what else I would add, and

realized you nicely/rationally covered all the bases, at least from my point of view. That

said, all I've got to say is - here, here.

Thanks, Brad.

Quote:

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When the movements were ordered ahead of time from

Seiko's subsidiary..was Invicta made aware of the movements

VPH at the time the sale was contracted??

Jon

Though it would certainly put Invicta "off" the proverbial hook to assume that maybe they were not informed as to what they were

purchasing, I would imagine that a) Invicta must truly delve into what they are buying when they purchase and b) Invicta surely has

at least a couple of watch makers test one, or two, of the watches for

QC's sake.

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Sorry . . . to hear about this significant mistake.

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Unfortunately, those who purchased this watch for its "high beat" movement, but who don't

belong to watch forums or happen to read an updated spec sheet on ShopNBC's website will

never know that their watches aren't quite as advertised unless they happen to watch future

presentations with updated info.

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Quote:

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When the movements were ordered ahead of time from

Seiko's subsidiary..was Invicta made aware of the movements

VPH at the time the sale was contracted??

Jon

Do you think they would order a high end movement without first knowing the VPH? That

was the main selling point of the watch the 36,000 VPH. I'm sure this question was asked

prior to purchase.

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I don't know Jerry, if they (Invicta) new at the time they bought

the movements the correct VPH..then they must have known

the specs on said movement.. PROVIDED the seller gave

Invicta the correct specs including the correct VPH....I'm

hoping that it is a communication error and not something

else..

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I don't know Jerry, if they (Invicta) new at the time they

bought the movements the correct VPH..then they must have

known the specs on said movement.. PROVIDED the seller

gave Invicta the correct specs including the correct VPH....I'm

hoping that it is a communication error and not something

else..

Jon

Jon,

There are many unanswered questions. Unless Invicta supplies additional information all our

posts are just speculation. Hopefully we'll get additional information from TeamInvicta or

Invicta shows on SNBC.

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I hope so too, Jerry..Speculation and insinuation without

knowing all the facts is dangerous....I, as well as every other

geek, would like to know all the facts..(especially those who

purchased the Speedway for the VPH alone) The VPH was

made very clear as a key attribute of the movement.. And I

believe is one of the main reason why at least some geeks

purchased the watch..

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Do u really think

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Jon,

There are many unanswered questions. Unless Invicta supplies additional information all

our posts are just speculation. Hopefully we'll get additional information from TeamInvicta

or Invicta shows on SNBC.

I'm sorry but I doubt u will get an explanation rather just a correction. I'm sorry but listening

to Jim Tim n mike bestow such accolades to this watch on prior shows how could expect

anything in terms of a reason behind this rouse

It troubles me that a company I defend love n havevinvested better than 15k into could not

n would not provide the utmost accurate information of there product especially when there

hype was about the movement

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Well the proverbial cats out of the bag..the ball is in Invicta's

court..let see what they do with it...I will afford them every

opportunity to explain this issue...but I am not going to hold my

breath..Eyal made the first step..will see..

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Originally Posted by jwin66

I don't know Jerry, if they (Invicta) new at the time they

bought the movements the correct VPH..then they must have

known the specs on said movement.. PROVIDED the seller

gave Invicta the correct specs including the correct VPH....I'm

hoping that it is a communication error and not something

else..

Jon

Jon, I have the feeling that whatever official explanation we'll get here will either a) state that it was essentially no one's fault, or b) it

was caused by someone so low level in either organization that there is really no one to "fry" over this anyway. There will be no refunds

and I doubt that there will be too much made of this in the next few ShopNBC shows.

In any case, if anyone here purchased one, and it works for you, at

least you got a nice looking automatic chronograph that you'll probably really like to wear anyway. Unless you purchased this

mainly due the 36,000 VPH marketing hype and the alleged collectivity of the time piece as a result, you will probably not even

notice the difference. So, enjoy your watch.

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Originally Posted by jwin66

..Eyal made the first step..will see..

Jon

And, that was probably a very well advised thing to do. As the

movement is a creation of Seiko, sooner or later, the true specfications would have been available through Seiko's website

anyway and the "cat would have been out of the bag" regardless. This was the best way for WGs to find out, I guess.

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03-09-2011, 10:37 PM

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It seems to me that Invicta and/or the Shop need to send out a letter to everyone that

purchased this watch to ensure they are aware of this error. The 36K VPH was sold far too

heavily to just let this go with a post to us.

I already sent mine back because it was defective but I DID buy mine for the exclusivity of

the movement specifically. I would have mine on the way back to the Shop tomorrow having

read this post. As far as the buyers NCEngineer referenced that bought theirs for the same

exclusivity and have no way of being told otherwise this is very unfair to them. If they then

find out later about the error and they weren't given the opportunity to return the watch I

believe many of them will be beyond furious. They all have the right to know.

I just hope that Invicta and ShopNBC step up and do the right thing for all of these

customers. I know they do this sort of thing because I received a correction letter in the past

regarding a gold bracelet I had purchased.

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I want to add that I will have this movement in my collection someday but I will wait to see

what else Invicta decides to put it into.

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03-09-2011, 10:41 PM

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Like I said I'm not going to hold my breathe over this

one..Personally the Reserve Ocean Speedway Is a nice piece

with a robust movement and case and bracelet design...I don't

expect that Invicta will start pointing fingers at any one within

the company as to why this discrepancy was not made

apparent.

As to whether or not the High VPH (higher than the VAL7750-

according to Tim and Mike presentation) will be a deal breaker

or not for some geeks that's up to them..

Jon

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Yesterday, 07:51 AM

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I would have purchased this timepiece if I did'nt just already purchase the speedway DD the

week before,knowing this recent info I am glad I did'nt.I was one of the lucky one that had

no problems with my DD cosmetic or mechanical.I for one would have sent the Seiko based

watch back,In my opinon this is no longer a special timepiece as was stated on Shopnbc

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Yesterday, 09:09 AM

jwin66 Senior Member Super Geek

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It surely is a terrific timepiece..but any geek purchasing said

model with the knowledge that the VPH was 3600 instead of

28800 should be entitled to a refund no questions

asked..regardless of what or who caused the problem...If I

bought the watch, or anything else for that matter, and the

product specs were different than what was advertised I would

send that item back...

Jon

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Yesterday, 09:11 AM

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That's good stuff! Thanks!!

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#49

Today, 12:20 PM

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Quote:

Originally Posted by TeamInvicta

Clarifications and Updates to the NEW SII Caliber NE78A:

The movement has a 28,800 VPH Frequency, same as the Valjoux 7750 and not 36,000,

we will adjust all Specs relating to this movement. All NE78A calibers are made in JAPAN.

This caliber does have a 45 hour power reserve. The watch (mainspring) is fully wound by

turning the crown 55 times. If you plan to use a watch winder for this model, the rotary

speed can be set at 30rpm, and will be fully charged within 60 minutes. Watch does

contain 34 Jewels.

Thank you, Team Invicta

Thanks for the info!