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growing problem of permanent patients.

Whats a permanent patient? According to the New York Times they are mostlyillegal immigrants

or people who lack insurance or their own housing that the hospital cannot turn away.

The Times defines a permanent patient:

[someone who has] been languishing for months or even y ears inhospitals, despite

being well enough to be sent home or to nursing centers for less-expensive care, because

they are illegal immigrants or lack sufficient insurance or appropriate housing.

Of course, having dozens of patients hanging around that long means these hospitals are absorbing

the bill for millions of dollars in unreimbursed expenses annually.

Unsurprisingly, the majority of these permanent patients are illegal immigrants because, as

mentioned in the above, they have no housing or family in the area.

Medicaid often pays for emergency care for illegal immigrants, but not for continuing care, and

many hospitals in places with large concentrations of illegal immigrants, like Texas, California and

Florida, face the quandary of where to send patients well enough to leave, writes Sam Roberts of the

Times.

What kind of cost are we talking about here?

Care for a patient languishing in a hospital can cost more than $100,000 a year, while care in a

nursing home can cost $20,000 or less [emphasis added], Roberts reports.

Patients fit to be discharged from hospitals but having no place to go typically remain more than five

years, says LaRay Brown, a senior vice president for New York Citys Health and Hospitals

Corporation.

She says that there were about 300 patients in such a predicament throughout the New York City

area alone, most in public hospitals or higher-priced skilled public nursing homes, though a few were

in private hospitals, according to the Times.

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Many of those individuals no longer need that care, but because they hav e no resources and many

have no family here, we, unfortunately, are caring for them in a much more expensive setting than

necessary based on their clinical need, said Brown.

The report goes on to cite an example where one patient from Queens, NY, has been at the Coler-

Goldwater Specialty Hospital and Nursing Facilityfor 13 years because the hospital has no place to

send him.

The patient, who is in his mid-60s, has been there since an arterial disease cost him part of one leg

below the knee and left him in a wheelchair, according to the report.

Or another example:

Five years ago, Y u Kang Fu, 58, who lived in Flushing, Queens, and was a cook at a

Chinese restaurant in New Jersey, was dropped off by his boss at New Y ork Downtown

Hospital, a private institution in Manhattan, complaining of a severe headache. Mr. Yu

was admitted to the intensive-care unit with a stroke.

Mr. Y u remained in the hospital for ov er four y ears until he was transferred last spring to

the Atlantis Rehabilitation and Residential Health Care Facility, a private center in Fort

Greene, Brooklyn, after the federal gov ernment certified him as a permanent resident

under color of law, essentially acknowledging that he could not be returned to China

and qualifying him for medical benefits.

This gentleman cost us millions of dollars, said Jeffrey Menkes, the president of New York

Downtown. We try to provide physical, occupational therapy, but this is an acute-care hospital. Thispatient shouldnt be here.

The fact of the matter is that hospitals in metro areas that host a large illegal immigrant population

are unable to turn away patients who have neither insurance nor proof that they are in the United

States legally two things necessary for discharge purposes and reimbursements, said Chui Man Lai,

assistant vice president of patient services at a New York state hospital.

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treat them until they can be discharged safely, Ms. Lai said. The hospital is required, by law and its

mission, to care for these patients.

But even worse than permanent patients, those who essentially live in hospitals already operating

on thin budgets, are what some refer to as pop drops: grown adults leaving their parents at the

hospitals so that they can go on vacation.

Hospitals are reluctant to complain publicly about such patients for fear of being perceived as

callously seeking to dump nonpaying patients, writes Roberts. Elected officials are generally loath

to be seen as encouraging illegal immigrants by changing reimbursement formulas. T he issue was

never addressed during the debate over national health care legislation.

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129 1AZCowgirl Mililani Tow n, Hawaii 18 hrs ago

Here's an idea - why doesn't the hospital report these illegals to ICE so their #$%$ can be

deported? ICE regularly conducts raids on restuarants, packing plants, shipping companies,

why not conduct them at hospitals too? ILLEGAL MEANS ILLEGAL. I don't care if they have

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356 6Clumber Augusta, Georgia 20 hrs ago

Hospitals do not 'absorb the costs'. They pass these cost on to those who do pay.
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234 4Jim 19 hrs ago

If they are well enough to leave the hospital they are well enough to be sent back to their own

country. Airplane tickets are an appropriate expenditure under these circumstances.

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201 4Deb Germantown, Maryland 19 hrs ago

How do I change my status to "illegal"?

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125 2Mike M Houston, Texas 19 hrs ago

I'm all for people who want to come to this country and become citizens. I'm not willing to pay

heir way while actual citizens are without health care. Make sure you understand something

here, the description of an illegal immigrant comes very close to the person who kicks you inhe shin and... More

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157 3Quangtheio 19 hrs ago

There's no such thing as free health care (or free anything, for that matter), somebody is

paying for it. In this country, people who work and pay taxes are the ones who provide all the

so-called free services to the ones who can't or don't want to pay. And don't even think that

ust because you... More

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212 6Slappy1 20 hrs ago

Ahh, the benefits of illegal immigration just keep adding up, don't they?

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155 4DD Sims 19 hrs ago

hat I want to know, do any of these illegals take up space for citizens with insurance that

need hospital treatment? If so, then the illegals should be charged with a hospital fraud crime

and be deported.

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173 5Brian 20 hrs ago

lets hear it for free health care. there's alot of states that are making illegal immigration illegal,

alabama is on to something

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186 6Kerryp Knoxville, Tennessee 19 hrs ago

This is NOT new news, illegal and some legal immigrants have been pulling this "stunt" and

others for years. Our school system is also bogged down, our teacher spending 40 minutes

with Gonzales, and five with the rest of the class.

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161 5Schatje 19 hrs ago

The U.S. immigration laws are some of the most lenient worldwide.

In Germany and much of Europe for example, if you are not a citizen and need to be admitted

o the hospital, 25% down is required prior to admittance. If you have an emergency, you willbe stabilized but you can expect to be sued... More

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93 2David Mesa, Arizona 19 hrs ago

Give them to their countries consulate and let them return them home. Surly international law

provides just such a remedy. I know that if arrested a foreign national has the right to

protection of consulate.
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131 5. 19 hrs ago

The problem is that they're illegals. Take care of that problem and there will be no other

problem.

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68 2Gabriel 18 hrs ago

My brother is happily married and he and his wife have 4 children. When the economy took a

dive his wife lost her job ( downsizing) and they are now a family of 6 living on 30k a

year....this includes a mortgage payment. They went to apply for foodstamps and energy

assistance vouchers. Do you... More

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162 8Chris-Delon Kingman, Arizona 20 hrs agoThis why the Average american pays 2000.00 to 4500.00 a ER visit ! Why Health insurance

cost keep going up!! Under International Law why can't the Hospitals go after the Illegal

Immigrants home country ?

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244 4WilliamD Dover, New Hampshire 19 hrs ago

There's a cure for this massive crime wave of illegal immigration - it's called deportation. It's

ime to really put America, and Americans, first.

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139 7James Denver, Colorado 20 hrs ago

simple solution - discharge them!

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40 1Born Fre e Houston, Texas 19 hrs ago

Posting gripes on the internet doesn't do a bit of good. When taxpayers take to the streets

and protest and riot then we will be heard. It's a shame that illegals can mobilize tens of

housands of supporters in a matter of hours. Where is your will to fight for what you believe in.

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132 8No Islam New York, New York 19 hrs ago

lets see, 30 million illegals, at cost of $100,000 each. its only $3 trillion per year.

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19 0EP Chula Vista, California 16 hrs ago

I came into this country legally and went through pains also bringing in my wife later. After

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