nysbcf tournament selection process presented by chris loftus and the t.a.b

NYSBCF NYSBCF Tournament Tournament Selection Selection ProcessProcess

Presented by Chris Loftus and the T.A.B.

QuestionQuestion

What system can be used to ensure that a statewide tournament circuit best takes in to account population distribution, geographic balance, safety, and fishery diversity while still providing the top fishing opportunities NY has to offer?

ProposalProposal

• Simple and fair method for Simple and fair method for tournament rotationtournament rotation

• Effective process to rate fisheries on Effective process to rate fisheries on a scale of when we really want to a scale of when we really want to fish them fish them

Something to considerSomething to consider

• This is a state level circuit. With that This is a state level circuit. With that comes:comes:– Higher level of competitionHigher level of competition

– More focus on ability to locate fishMore focus on ability to locate fish

– Increased need for versatilityIncreased need for versatility

– Greater commitment of time and Greater commitment of time and expenseexpense

Unique Aspects of New Unique Aspects of New YorkYork

• Large in sizeLarge in size

• Triangular or “T” shapeTriangular or “T” shape

• Vast number of world class fisheriesVast number of world class fisheries

Demographics of NYSBCFDemographics of NYSBCF

• State can be divided into 6 unique State can be divided into 6 unique sections each having a unique sections each having a unique “personality”“personality”

• Membership density is not evenly Membership density is not evenly spreadspread

• Fishery density does not follow Fishery density does not follow population densitypopulation density

BUFFALO AREA7 Clubs

132 Members11.7%

ALBANY AREA10 Clubs

172 Members14.8%

CENTRAL3 Clubs

246 Members21.2%

ROCHESTER AREA6 CLUBS

78 MEMBERS6.7%

NORTH COUNTRY4 CLUBS

55 MEMBERS4.7%

NY METRO18 CLUBS

419 MEMBERS36.1 %

BUFFALO AREA7 Clubs

132 Members11.7%

ALBANY AREA10 Clubs

172 Members14.8%

CENTRAL3 Clubs

246 Members21.2%

ROCHESTER AREA6 CLUBS

78 MEMBERS6.7%

NORTH COUNTRY4 CLUBS

55 MEMBERS4.7%

NY METRO18 CLUBS

419 MEMBERS36.1 %

FASTEST GROWING AREAS SINCE 2000

Fishery Locations Fishery Locations

• State can easily be divided into 4 State can easily be divided into 4 sectionssections

• Each section having 2-5 viable Each section having 2-5 viable tournament locationstournament locations

• Viability being considered 10,000+ Viability being considered 10,000+ acres or 30+ linear milesacres or 30+ linear miles

Club Team Location Club Team Location SelectionSelection

• Based on Geographic RotationBased on Geographic Rotation

• 4 Year Rotation4 Year Rotation– Rochester/Buffalo AreaRochester/Buffalo Area

– Albany/MetroAlbany/Metro

– North CountryNorth Country

– Syracuse AreaSyracuse Area

Point Tournament Point Tournament SelectionSelection

• One from each of the following:One from each of the following:– Albany/MetroAlbany/Metro

– Syracuse AreaSyracuse Area

– Rochester/Buffalo AreaRochester/Buffalo Area

• Remaining tournament from rotation Remaining tournament from rotation of Albany/Metro, Syracuse Area, and of Albany/Metro, Syracuse Area, and North Country North Country

Chautauqua Lake

Canandaigua

Seneca LakeNiagara / Erie

Keuka Lake

Sodus / Ontario

Cayuga

Oneida

St. Lawrence

North Champlain

South Champlain

Lake George

Sacandaga

Mohawk

Hudson RiverChautauqua Lake

Canandaigua

Seneca LakeNiagara / Erie

Keuka Lake

Sodus / Ontario

Cayuga

Oneida

St. Lawrence & Ontario

North Champlain

South Champlain

Lake George

Sacandaga

Mohawk

Hudson River

Selection MatrixSelection Matrix

• Process to evaluate fisheries based on:Process to evaluate fisheries based on:– Fishery QualityFishery Quality

– Location to population densityLocation to population density

– Safety (Big Water - Weather Issue)Safety (Big Water - Weather Issue)

Slot 1 Slot 2 Slot 3 Slot 4

Fishery Quality 60% 50% 45% 35%

Location to Anglers 30% 40% 45% 35%

Safety 10% 10% 10% 30%

1st Tournament Fishing Rating Location Weather Threat Overall RatingCayuga 5 4 3 4.7St. Lawrence (Clayton) 5 3 3 4.6Champlain (Chazy) 5 3 2 4.5Chataqua 5 1 4 4.5Erie 5 1 1 4.2Lower Lake Champlain 4 5 4 4.1Lake Geoge 4 5 4 4.1Onieda 4 4 2 3.8Keuka 4 3 3 3.8Ontario (Sodus) 4 3 2 3.7Seneca 4 3 2 3.7St. Lawrence (Ogdensburg) 4 2 3 3.7Great Sacandaga 3 5 3 3.2Mohawk 2 5 5 2.6Hudson 2 5 4 2.5Canandaigua 2 3 4 2.3

2nd Tournament Fishing Rating Location Weather Threat Overall RatingLower Lake Champlain 5 5 4 4.9Cayuga 5 4 3 4.4Onieda 5 4 2 4.3Hudson 3 5 4 3.9St. Lawrence (Clayton) 4 3 3 3.5Great Sacandaga 2 5 3 3.3Mohawk 1 5 5 3Ontario (Sodus) 3 3 2 2.9Champlain (Chazy) 3 3 2 2.9Lake Geoge 1 5 4 2.9Chataqua 4 1 4 2.8St. Lawrence (Ogdensburg) 3 2 3 2.6Keuka 2 3 3 2.5Seneca 2 3 2 2.4Canandaigua 1 3 4 2.1Erie 2 1 1 1.5

3rd Tournament Fishing Rating Location Weather Threat Overall RatingLower Lake Champlain 4.7 5 4 4.75Cayuga 4.7 4 3 4.2Onieda 4.7 4 2 4.1Hudson 2.3 5 4 3.7Mohawk 2.0 5 5 3.65St. Lawrence (Clayton) 4.3 3 3 3.6Champlain (Chazy) 4.3 3 2 3.5Ontario (Sodus) 3.7 3 2 3.2Lake Geoge 1.0 5 4 3.1Great Sacandaga 1 5 3 3Canandaigua 2 3 4 2.65Keuka 2 3 3 2.55Seneca 2.0 3 2 2.45St. Lawrence (Ogdensburg) 2.3 2 3 2.25Chataqua 3.0 1 4 2.2Erie 3.0 1 1 1.9

4th Tournament Fishing Rating Location Weather Threat Overall RatingMohawk 4 5 5 4.65Hudson 3 5 4 4Lower Lake Champlain 3 5 4 4St. Lawrence (Clayton) 5 3 3 3.7Lake Geoge 2 5 4 3.65Champlain (Chazy) 5 3 2 3.4Onieda 4 4 2 3.4Cayuga 3 4 3 3.35Canandaigua 3 3 4 3.3Great Sacandaga 1 5 3 3Keuka 3 3 3 3Erie with Niagera option 5 1 3 3Ontario (Sodus) 3 3 2 2.7St. Lawrence (Ogdensburg) 3 2 3 2.65Chataqua 3 1 4 2.6Erie 5 1 1 2.4Seneca 2 3 2 2.35

Key Issues not coveredKey Issues not covered• LogisticsLogistics

• SponsorshipSponsorship

• Calendar rotationCalendar rotation

• Rotation with in a regionRotation with in a region

• These constraints are to be the final These constraints are to be the final considerations by the TD and TAB in considerations by the TD and TAB in assembling the scheduleassembling the schedule

Have we answered the Have we answered the Question?Question?

Is this a system that can be used to ensure the only true statewide tournament circuit in NY best takes in to account population distribution, geographic balance, safety, and fishery diversity while still providing the top fishing opportunities NY has to offer?

Question and AnswerQuestion and Answer• Question - Last year more of the tournaments were near Question - Last year more of the tournaments were near

our homes. Why are you favoring the east again with the our homes. Why are you favoring the east again with the schedule?schedule?

• Answer - Some years the schedule may have more Answer - Some years the schedule may have more tournaments close to your house and other years all tournaments close to your house and other years all tournaments may be 2 hrs or more from your house. This tournaments may be 2 hrs or more from your house. This system will keep the schedule balanced, but with 15+ system will keep the schedule balanced, but with 15+ tournament sites in New York to chose from this circuit is tournament sites in New York to chose from this circuit is not likely to feel like the “home court” circuit. Remember not likely to feel like the “home court” circuit. Remember this is the next step up from local competition. This this is the next step up from local competition. This amount of commitment may not be for everyone. We do amount of commitment may not be for everyone. We do hope that for those looking to fish a true state level circuit hope that for those looking to fish a true state level circuit we are providing a system that is fair and a circuit that we are providing a system that is fair and a circuit that will be enjoyable and rewardingwill be enjoyable and rewarding

Question and AnswerQuestion and Answer

• Question - I believe the Lower Niagara River should be Question - I believe the Lower Niagara River should be added to Western Region?added to Western Region?

• Good question! We used the criteria of 10,000 acres Good question! We used the criteria of 10,000 acres or 30 linear miles as a minimum criteria. Although the or 30 linear miles as a minimum criteria. Although the lower Niagara river does not meet the 30 mile criteria lower Niagara river does not meet the 30 mile criteria the western basin of Lake Ontario does meet the the western basin of Lake Ontario does meet the 10,000 acre criteria. This question will be brought 10,000 acre criteria. This question will be brought back to the next TAB meeting to be discussed in back to the next TAB meeting to be discussed in depth. We will than get back to you with either a depth. We will than get back to you with either a response that the lower Niagara river was added or response that the lower Niagara river was added or the reason why it was not.the reason why it was not.


• Question - Why did you not include Black Lake in the North Question - Why did you not include Black Lake in the North Country Region.Country Region.

• Answer - Fair question. The black and white answer would Answer - Fair question. The black and white answer would be it did not meet the 10,000 acre criteria. At the same be it did not meet the 10,000 acre criteria. At the same time we need to realize that just as body weight is not the time we need to realize that just as body weight is not the only measure of a person’s health, surface acreage is not only measure of a person’s health, surface acreage is not the only measure of a fisheries ability to handle a 100 boat the only measure of a fisheries ability to handle a 100 boat tournament. More important is the amount of shallow tournament. More important is the amount of shallow flats. Black lake does have lots of shallow flats. It also has flats. Black lake does have lots of shallow flats. It also has lots of fish holding aquatic vegetation. Therefore at the lots of fish holding aquatic vegetation. Therefore at the next TAB meeting we will come back and look at adding next TAB meeting we will come back and look at adding Black Lake to the list.Black Lake to the list.


• Question - I do not agree with a rating for one of the Question - I do not agree with a rating for one of the lakes. How do I encourage the TAB to change this lakes. How do I encourage the TAB to change this rating?rating?

• Answer - Send your TAB rep and TD an e-mail. Provide Answer - Send your TAB rep and TD an e-mail. Provide supporting information on why you think it should be supporting information on why you think it should be changed. If possible attach tournament results. Your e-changed. If possible attach tournament results. Your e-mail will be reviewed at the following TAB meeting. mail will be reviewed at the following TAB meeting. Your TAB rep will than get back to you with information Your TAB rep will than get back to you with information on the decision that was made.on the decision that was made.


• Question - How many suggestion are given to those of Question - How many suggestion are given to those of you on the TAB.you on the TAB.

• Answer - Speaking for the two TAB representative Answer - Speaking for the two TAB representative attending the December meeting the answer would be, attending the December meeting the answer would be, we received 3 e-mails over the last 12 months. In each we received 3 e-mails over the last 12 months. In each of those 3 cases the e-mails were brought to the TAB of those 3 cases the e-mails were brought to the TAB meeting. The proposals were discussed in-depth. meeting. The proposals were discussed in-depth. Decisions were made, then communicated back to the Decisions were made, then communicated back to the sender. I wish we got more feed back. I hope that all sender. I wish we got more feed back. I hope that all members realize that the message board is not a members realize that the message board is not a method of communicating to the TAB. The correct method of communicating to the TAB. The correct method is though direct e-mail or phone contact. method is though direct e-mail or phone contact.


• Question - Believe T2 and T3 in selection matrix need Question - Believe T2 and T3 in selection matrix need to be adjusted. Fishery quality is a bigger part of my to be adjusted. Fishery quality is a bigger part of my decision process for the 2nd and 3rd tournament.decision process for the 2nd and 3rd tournament.

• Answer - After facilitating several discussions on this Answer - After facilitating several discussions on this selection matrix with various Federation members I selection matrix with various Federation members I would agree with you. I will bring this point back to would agree with you. I will bring this point back to the other TAB member for further discussion. This is the other TAB member for further discussion. This is one of the good things about using a process like this one of the good things about using a process like this to select tournaments. It provides a method for the to select tournaments. It provides a method for the TAB to get feed back, make adjustments, than monitor TAB to get feed back, make adjustments, than monitor how the system performs.how the system performs.


• Question - What does the tournament director do if Question - What does the tournament director do if they run into issues with scheduling in a given region?they run into issues with scheduling in a given region?

• Answer - They pick the tournament from the fringe of Answer - They pick the tournament from the fringe of the next region(s). For example if a tournament site the next region(s). For example if a tournament site in the central regions backs out at the last minute, no in the central regions backs out at the last minute, no other site in that region is available, than Seneca other site in that region is available, than Seneca would become the next choice. This is because would become the next choice. This is because although in the western region it is on the fringe of the although in the western region it is on the fringe of the central region.central region.


• Question - In your Seneca example would the Seneca Question - In your Seneca example would the Seneca choice count against the central or the western choice count against the central or the western region.region.

• Answer - Wow, good question. Honestly that is one Answer - Wow, good question. Honestly that is one detail that we did not yet think through. Instead of detail that we did not yet think through. Instead of trying to guess what the groups consensus would be I trying to guess what the groups consensus would be I would prefer that we get back to you after our next would prefer that we get back to you after our next TAB meeting. TAB meeting.


• Question - Can this method be used to better leverage Question - Can this method be used to better leverage NYSBCF marketing and sponsorship $? Will it allow for NYSBCF marketing and sponsorship $? Will it allow for more long range planning?more long range planning?

• Answer - With out a doubt. This method will enable Answer - With out a doubt. This method will enable the TD to look out several years in the scheduling the TD to look out several years in the scheduling process. Imagine how your purchasing power process. Imagine how your purchasing power increases when you can come to a town with a increases when you can come to a town with a contract for 3 tournaments over a 4 or 5 year period.contract for 3 tournaments over a 4 or 5 year period.


• Why tie the metro population with tournament Why tie the metro population with tournament locations as far north as Ticonderoga?locations as far north as Ticonderoga?

• Answer - You are correct in your inference that this Answer - You are correct in your inference that this region is the longest from point to point. The Metro region is the longest from point to point. The Metro Region makes up a very big population of our angler Region makes up a very big population of our angler base yet the only tournament site large enough to base yet the only tournament site large enough to meet the criteria for a state level tournament is the meet the criteria for a state level tournament is the Hudson. Instead of setting up a situation where every Hudson. Instead of setting up a situation where every tournament in a region was held on the same location tournament in a region was held on the same location we decided to increase the size of the region to we decided to increase the size of the region to include 5 bodies of water.include 5 bodies of water.


• Open questions to the floorOpen questions to the floor

• If you have any questions at this If you have any questions at this point please feel free to contact point please feel free to contact your TAB representativeyour TAB representative

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