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Agenda
.NET Framework & Visual Studio Roadmap Visual Studio design goals
Lap around new features
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.NET Framework 3.5
.NET Framework 3.0 + SP1
.NET Framework 2.0 + SP1
Clarify version confusion
Visual Studio 2008
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Visual Studio 2008 Design Goals Best tool set for Windows Server 2008, Windows Vista & Microsoft
Office 2007 .NET Framework 3.5 design surfaces
Office 2007 support including ClickOnce and VSTO
MFC support for Vista common controls
Improvements for Web Developers
HTML / CSS designer enhancements
Integrated AJAX and JavaScript support
Language advances
.NET Framework multi-targeting support
Improved Data & Language integration in VB / C#
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Lap around VS 2008 & .NET 3.5
Lifecycle Tools,
.NETFramework,
& languages
Services
Windows
Apps
WebApps
OfficeApps
MobileApps
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Visual Studio Enhancements
Side-by-Side support Visual Studio 2008 sideby-side with previous versions
Multi-targeting
Target multiple versions of the framework from a single tool -
Visual Studio 2008
Supports framework versions 2.0, 3.0, and 3.5
Enables only features available in target framework
Toolbox, Project types, References, Intellisense,
Making is easy to upgrade to Visual Studio 2008
Unit Testing
Now available in all editions of Visual Studio Professional
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Multi-targeting with Visual Studio 2008
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Lifecycle Tools Enhancements Team Foundation Server 2008
Built-in support for Continuous Integration
TFS Migration Toolkit
Get latest on checkout
Annotate
Folder Diff
For developers:
Code metrics
Performance hotpathing
Profiler baselining
Much faster unit testing performance
For testers:
Load testing support for AJAX applications
Better UI for load test monitoring / reporting
And much more
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Discover who last changed asection of code and get detailed
change set information
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Language INtegrated Query (LINQ)
New programming model for data access that integrates query
support directly within the .NET languages
Designed to reduce the complexity when working with data
Query operators can be used against any collection
Built-in examples: Select, Where, GroupBy, Join, etc. Extensibility model supports extending/replacing these
Benefits
Work with data in a consistent way, regardless of the type of data
Interact with data as objects Better integration with programming languages
Improved productivity through IntelliSense in Visual Studio
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LINQ Architecture & Components
Objects
XML
.NET Language Integrated Query
C# 3.0 VB 9.0 Others
Relational
LINQ to
Objects
LINQ to
SQL
LINQ to
XML
LINQ to
DataSets
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LINQ to SQL
Application
SQL Server
LINQ to SQL
from c in db.Customers
where c.City == "London"
select c.CompanyName
LINQ Query
SQL Query
SELECT CompanyName
FROM Cust
WHERE City = 'London'
Rows
Objects SubmitChanges()
DML or Stored Procedures
db.Customers.Add(c1);
c2.City = Seattle";
db.Customers.Remove(c3);
INSERT INTO Customers
UPDATE Customers
DELETE FROM Customers
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LINQ To XML
Language integrated query for XML Designed to make XML usable without learning specialized
technologies such as XPath/XSLT
Construct and query XML data with fewer lines of code
Builds on top the standard LINQ query commands
Compose query expressions with multiple data stores
Visual Basic 9 has additional XML capabilities
XML literals XML supported directly in language Property-like XML support simple queries using
conventional VB syntax
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LINQ
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CLR Add-ins Generic framework for hosting add-ins within
applications
Addresses common problems like:
Loading/unloading, sandboxing, isolation, lifetime
management, discovery, activation, backwards compat,forward compat, sharing
HostHostView
Add-InView
Add-In
HostSide
Adapter
Add-nSide
Adapter
Contract
Communication Pipeline
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Visual Studio 2008 & .NET 3.5
Lifecycle Tools,
.NETFramework,
& languages
Services
Windows
Apps
WebApps
OfficeApps
MobileApps
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Services Technologies added in .NET 3.0
WCF Unified programming model and runtime for services
WF - Flexible, declarative workflow runtime and activities
New enhancements in .NET 3.5
Http Programming Model
JSON serialization & ASP.NET AJAX integration
Syndication
Integrated support for WF & WCF (Silver)
Partial Trust
Integrated developer tools in Visual Studio 2008
Add Service Reference Integrated WF Designer
Project & item templates
Autohost & test client
WCF Configuration Editor
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Windows Applications Visual Studio Designer for WPF (Cider)
XAML-based editing directly in the IDE
Changes reflected in the designer in real-time
XAML IntelliSense
Selection Synchronization
ClickOnce deployment support for WPF apps
Project templates, debugger & deployment support
Side-by-side support for Winforms
Creates a seamless designer/developer workflow withExpression Interactive Designer (Sparkle)
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Web Applications Integrated support for ASP.NET AJAX 1.0
Included in the .NET Framework 3.5
ASP.NET AJAX Project Templates
Web Application Projects included in Visual Studio
Javascript IntelliSense & Debugging
Richer HTML/CSS Designer Support Split View (simultaneous source and designer)
Nested Master Page preview in designer
CSS Properties, Manage/Apply Styles windows, and direct styleapplication toolbar
Improved CSS/HTML layout and visualization in designer
New Web data controls:
LinqDataSource, ListView, DataPager
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Web Applications and
JavaScript Debugging
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Office Applications
VS 2008 includes Visual Studio Tools for Office 3.0
Provides integrated visual designers for:
Word and Excel documents and templates
Fluent Ribbon
Task & Action panes Outlook Form Regions
Integrated Workflow & Microsoft SharePoint Support
Data binding in Word Content Controls
Application-level add-ins for most client programs (both 2003 &2007)
Document-level add-ins for Excel & Word 2007
Improved deployment and security using ClickOnce
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Mobile Applications Visual Studio Tools for Devices
Unit Testing for Device Applications
Device Emulator 3.0 Certificate support, Xml config
Broad Platform and runtime Support
.NET Compact Framework 3.5 Support for LINQ (XML, Objects and Dataset)
Windows Communication Foundation
CLR Profiler / Performance Monitor
BCL enhancements: Compression support, Client-sidecertificates, Sound APIs
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Top 10 List1. Visual Studio Multi-targeting
2. LINQ
3. System.Syndication
4. RESTful, JSON, and Workflow Services
5. WPF Cider Designer6. ASP.NET AJAX Integration
7. Javascript Intellisense & Debugging
8. VSTO - Ribbon Designer, Outlook Form Regions,
integrated SharePoint tools9. .NET Compact Framework 3.5 - LINQ, WCF
10. CLR Add-Ins
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What else is in Orcas? Language enhancements
MFC & C++ enhancements for Vistalook & feel
ClickOnce improvements for WPF
apps, alternative browser support and
ISV rebranding
CLR enhancements - Partial trust &Threading
High-performance trace listener
Trace listener that logs events to
Event Tracing for Windows in
Windows Vista WMI Provider Extension 2.0
Anonymous pipes and named pipes
Peer-to-peer network APIs
Windows CardSpace UI & HTTP
support
XSLT Debugger
SQL Server Compact Edition SQL Server Reporting Services
Support
MSBuild parallel/multi-processor &
multi-threaded builds
Client Application Services forLogin/Logout, Role management and
profiles
Profiler support for WCF Applications
Customize and extend code
correctness policies Team editionfor developers
Tools for performance tuning an
enterprise app
Web Test rules improvements
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Resources MSDN developer center
http://msdn2.microsoft.com/en-us/vstudio/aa700830.aspx
Overview of Orcas whitepaper
http://go.microsoft.com/?linkid=6625887
90-day Trial Versions http://www.microsoft.com/downloads/details.aspx?FamilyId=D95598D7-AA6E-4F24-82E3-
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http://www.microsoft.com/downloads/details.aspx?FamilyId=B0155166-B0A3-436E-AC95-37D7E39A440C&displaylang=en
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Express Editions Visual Basic Express Edition productivity tool for first time or casual Windows programming
Visual C# Express Edition provides a great combination of power and productivity
Visual C++ Express Edition provides the horsepower with a finer degree of control than theother Express products
Visual Web Developer Express Edition the easy to use environment for dynamic Web
application development
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Resources - LINQ MSDN Developer Center
http://msdn2.microsoft.com/en-us/netframework/aa904594.aspx LINQ Forum
http://forums.microsoft.com/msdn/showforum.aspx?forumid=123
Channel9 Linq Videos http://channel9.msdn.com/tags/linq
Blogs Scott Guthrie
http://weblogs.asp.net/scottgu/archive/2007/04/21/new-orcas-language-feature-query-syntax.aspx
Charlie Calvert http://blogs.msdn.com/charlie/archive/2006/10/05/Links-to-LINQ.aspx
Community sites
http://www.linqdev.com/publicportal/ http://linqinaction.net/
LINQ Samples 101 samples
http://msdn2.microsoft.com/en-us/vcsharp/aa336746.aspx
Orcas Beta 1 samples
http://msdn2.microsoft.com/en-us/bb330936.aspx
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Resources Cider Cider MSDN Forum
http://forums.microsoft.com/MSDN/ShowForum.aspx?ForumID=169&SiteID=1
Cider Channel9 Wiki http://channel9.msdn.com/wiki/default.aspx/Cider.HomePage
Blogs
James Nakashima http://blogs.msdn.com/jnak/
Brian Pepin http://www.urbanpotato.net/
Chuck Jazdzewski http://www.removingalldoubt.com/
Richard Bailey http://myfun.spaces.live.com/blog/
http://forums.microsoft.com/MSDN/ShowForum.aspx?ForumID=169&SiteID=1http://channel9.msdn.com/wiki/default.aspx/Cider.HomePagehttp://blogs.msdn.com/jnak/http://www.urbanpotato.net/http://www.removingalldoubt.com/http://myfun.spaces.live.com/blog/http://myfun.spaces.live.com/blog/http://www.removingalldoubt.com/http://www.urbanpotato.net/http://blogs.msdn.com/jnak/http://channel9.msdn.com/wiki/default.aspx/Cider.HomePagehttp://forums.microsoft.com/MSDN/ShowForum.aspx?ForumID=169&SiteID=1 -
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Resources Services & Workflow
MSDN Developer Center
http://msdn2.microsoft.com/netframework/default.aspx http://msdn.microsoft.com/webservices/
Forums
http://forums.microsoft.com/msdn/showforum.aspx?forumid=123
Blogs
Matt Winkler http://blogs.msdn.com/mwinkle
Justin Smith
http://blogs.msdn.com/justinjsmith
Vittorio Bertocci
http://blogs.msdn.com/vbertocci
Steve Maine
http://hyperthink.net/blog
Community sites
http://www.netfx3.com
http://msdn2.microsoft.com/netframework/default.aspxhttp://msdn.microsoft.com/webservices/http://forums.microsoft.com/msdn/showforum.aspx?forumid=123http://blogs.msdn.com/mwinklehttp://blogs.msdn.com/justinjsmithhttp://blogs.msdn.com/vbertoccihttp://hyperthink.net/bloghttp://www.netfx3.com/http://www.netfx3.com/http://hyperthink.net/bloghttp://blogs.msdn.com/vbertoccihttp://blogs.msdn.com/justinjsmithhttp://blogs.msdn.com/mwinklehttp://forums.microsoft.com/msdn/showforum.aspx?forumid=123http://msdn.microsoft.com/webservices/http://msdn2.microsoft.com/netframework/default.aspx -
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Resources Mobile Applications
.NET Compact Framework Developer Centerhttp://msdn2.microsoft.com/en-us/netframework/aa497273.aspx
MSDN Forums: Smart Device Developmenthttp://forums.microsoft.com/MSDN/default.aspx?ForumGroupID=11
Blogs
.NET Compact Framework Teamhttp://blogs.msdn.com/netcfteam
David Klinehttp://blogs.msdn.com/davidklinems
Case Studieshttp://www.microsoft.com/casestudies/search.aspx?ProTaxID=1714
http://msdn2.microsoft.com/en-us/netframework/aa497273.aspxhttp://forums.microsoft.com/MSDN/default.aspx?ForumGroupID=11http://blogs.msdn.com/netcfteamhttp://blogs.msdn.com/davidklinemshttp://www.microsoft.com/casestudies/search.aspx?ProTaxID=1714http://www.microsoft.com/casestudies/search.aspx?ProTaxID=1714http://blogs.msdn.com/davidklinemshttp://blogs.msdn.com/netcfteamhttp://forums.microsoft.com/MSDN/default.aspx?ForumGroupID=11http://msdn2.microsoft.com/en-us/netframework/aa497273.aspxhttp://msdn2.microsoft.com/en-us/netframework/aa497273.aspxhttp://msdn2.microsoft.com/en-us/netframework/aa497273.aspxhttp://msdn.microsoft.com/mobility/prodtechinfo/devtools/netcf/ -
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Resources Languages
Visual Basic MSDN Developer Center
http://msdn2.microsoft.com/en-us/vbasic/default.aspx
Blogs
VB Team: http://blogs.msdn.com/vbteam
Paul Vick: http://www.panopticoncentral.net
Forums
http://forums.microsoft.com/MSDN/ShowForum.aspx?ForumID=903
Visual C#
MSDN Developer Center
http://msdn2.microsoft.com/en-us/vcsharp/default.aspx
Blogs
Charlie Calvert:
http://blogs.msdn.com/charlie/archive/tags/Community%20Convergence/default.aspx \
Forums
http://forums.microsoft.com/MSDN/default.aspx?ForumGroupID=9&SiteID=1
http://msdn2.microsoft.com/en-us/vbasic/default.aspxhttp://blogs.msdn.com/vbteamhttp://www.panopticoncentral.net/http://forums.microsoft.com/MSDN/ShowForum.aspx?ForumID=903http://msdn2.microsoft.com/en-us/vcsharp/default.aspxhttp://blogs.msdn.com/charlie/archive/tags/Community%20Convergence/default.aspx%20/http://forums.microsoft.com/MSDN/default.aspx?ForumGroupID=9&SiteID=1http://forums.microsoft.com/MSDN/default.aspx?ForumGroupID=9&SiteID=1http://blogs.msdn.com/charlie/archive/tags/Community%20Convergence/default.aspx%20/http://blogs.msdn.com/charlie/archive/tags/Community%20Convergence/default.aspx%20/http://msdn2.microsoft.com/en-us/vcsharp/default.aspxhttp://msdn2.microsoft.com/en-us/vcsharp/default.aspxhttp://msdn2.microsoft.com/en-us/vcsharp/default.aspxhttp://forums.microsoft.com/MSDN/ShowForum.aspx?ForumID=903http://www.panopticoncentral.net/http://blogs.msdn.com/vbteamhttp://msdn2.microsoft.com/en-us/vbasic/default.aspxhttp://msdn2.microsoft.com/en-us/vbasic/default.aspxhttp://msdn2.microsoft.com/en-us/vbasic/default.aspx -
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Resources VSTO Blogs
VSTO Team Blog http://blogs.msdn.com/vsto2
Eric Carter (VSTO Team Member) - http://blogs.msdn.com/eric_carter/ Andrew Whitechapel (VSTO Team Member) -
http://blogs.msdn.com/andreww/default.aspx
John Durant (VSTO Team Member) -https://blogs.msdn.com/johnrdurant/default.aspx
Paul Stubbs (VSTO Team Member) http://blogs.msdn.com/pstubbs/
Mike Hernandez (VSTO Product Manager)http://blogs.msdn.com/mikeh/default.aspx
Kathleen McGrath (UE Team Writer) - http://blogs.msnd.com/kathleen
Office Zealot Site (Tim Huckaby) -http://www.officezealot.com/VSTO/bloghome.aspx
Visual Studio Tools for Office Developer Center on MSDN
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