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9honest work Special epo t by Do the Math columnist Dave Reeveson the wacky and vi olent soap ope a that is li e du ing harest on a Humboldt County pot a m. A two k by A ik Rope , with photog aphy by Daniel Chambe lin.

22way to go ohioOlive Hall takes tea with Te P etende s Ch issie Hynde and James Walbou ne o an hou at a Hollywood hotel.Nu said. With photog aphy by Lau en Bilanko.

36pearl diving Ian Nagoski epo ts on Ame ican eco d labels and blogsecove ing musical jewels in inte national wate s.

41 american beauties Leon Kaga ise was a teetotaling amateu photog aphe who captu ed the bucolic vibes o the now- o gottencount y music estivals that ou ished along the Mason-Dixon line in the '50s and '60s. Awa d-winning jou nalist Eddie Dean tells his sto y and sha es some o his ext ao dina y photog aphs in this expanded exce pt om his new book, Pu e Count y.

58unite & conQuer Music and dance collective We A e the Wo ld leap and swing th ough thei post-minimal techno gothic jungle. Photog aphy by Jeaneen Lund, with design by Alia Penne .

62tips on how to enJoythe upcoming depressionwenty-sided die? Check. Lib a y ca d? Check. F ostymug o homeb ew? Check. You a e now p epa edto surive nancial apocalypse. Joseph Remnant ca tooni es Gabe So ias guide to the high li e du ingthe G eat Bottoming Out.

Columns4Im Just SayinCo ond nc f o o dnd v ill nc o on a hcon ib o c n c ivi i , lpl icC i w v l h lJi C lBl ck.

6Advanced Standing by Greg ShewchukWh dow k ?Wh dok bo dingdo fo ?Ill ionb Jo hr n n .

13The Analog Life byErik Davise ikD vi on h l of lowingdown n nci ll ,g onoic ll nd

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15Weedeaterby Nance KlehmB c i ,dig ion ndold-tiki ch nfolk gic.Ill ionb m g nmcGinl .

17Applied Magic(k)by The Center forTactical MagicD h nd c ion,v ni hing ndb ni hing,B h ndOb .

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To know the truth of ones Self as the sole Reality, and to merge and

become one with it,is the only true Realization.

Ramana Maha shi

to make the most o a ee o m li est le that as nottied to an location o emplo e . Ou oal a s un atan cost. I still elt m sel set apart om the socialstanda ds. I sou ht somethin outside o mone andca ee and elationships, but I asnt su e hat it as.

I took to booze and d u s, and ound m sel spiral-in to a ds a sel -dest ucti e, nihilistic ie o the o ld. Happ - o-luck as I ma ha e seemed, I asstill a oun man ounde in in dis-ease, a ession,and ustration. Yet skateboa din as al a s the eo me. It helped me endu e, and it p o ided an outlet.I ound it con usin to be a oun Ame ican om ab oken home in a sick societ . I nothin else, skate-boa din as m connection to an objecti e ealit .

In m mid 20s, bloated and dis usted ith m sel ,I started to chan e m trajectory. M ascination ithEaste n m sticism and martial arts nall took hold ith some eal practice, and I started connectin thedots bet een hea en and earth. I made a hol pil-ima e into the ocean and cau ht some ate a es.

I started eatin o ganic ood, takin he bal medicine,and a e 10 ea s o lasses a nd contacts, stopped ea in co ecti e lenses on m e es. I tu ned a a

om the mate ial o ld and ocused on the spi itualmeanin in li e. I ode a ound on m skateboa din the middle o the ni ht in Ko eato n, Ne Yo k and ok o, seekin ans e s to the m ste ies o theuni e se, m head spinnin ith a ious metaph si-cal philosophies and ma ical inte p etations.

I had eat insi hts, I eall did. I lea ned aboutb eath, and its elationship to the cosmic dance. I

lea ned about ra it , acceleration, and the ene eticsimila it to lo e. I lea ned about ph sics, elaxation,balance, a a eness, and con dence. E ery time Istepped on a skateboa d I ould ha e e elations anddisce n m ste ious t uths. I ot bette at skatin but Ididnt ha e an uidance, I didnt ha e an oundin .It ould take anothe decade o stud , ailu e, and

askin o help o me to cut th ou h the chaos andeach a stable unde standin o ho thin s o k. Iound some mento s and lea ned some humilit , andI lea ned about m sel .

Im in m 30s no . I ha e a 12-step sponso , nota skateboa d compan sponso . I do oga and t aiji,pra and meditate. I ha e ratitude that I am stillali e, and I try and sha e some o the beaut thatI ha e ound. I started Te Land o Plent , a skate-boa d oundation o kids. I think the skateboa dis a per ect in ention, the quintessence o huma nachie ement. Skateboa din is an Ame ican art o m,and it has been in uenced b the most transcendentacts I ha e encounte ed: the su n o ate a es,compassionate elationships, and the stud o the sel .

Skatin is m practice, m discipline. It is asubstantial context o the li e expe ience. It is asel -supportin communit o artists, enga ed inun, non- iolent, ze o-emission, independent ph sical

education. And no that I am old and expe iencedenou h to unde stand the c cles o time, it makesper ect sense as a mind-bod , authentic spi itualpractice. E ery time I etu n to m skateboa d I con-tinue to eal-ize: to make eal m expe ience o li e.

Bhaga an Das once called India Dha ma Bhumi:the land o eli ion, and Ame ica Ka ma Bhumi: theland o action. In this land o action, e a e calledto exp ess ou sel es and sha e ou insi ht. Tis is m story, and I cant help but onde ho man othe people sha e a simila path. Realit is he e o us toembrace. Te a e ou choose to ide ill not be the

same as an one elses a e. But i ou choose to ideit, ou ma nd hat ou a e lookin o , o the t uthis no he e to be ound but in ou o n heart.

L.A.-based columnist G eg Shewchuk is the di ecto o the Land o Plenty Skateboa d Foundation.thelando plenty.o g

What are We Skating toWardS?

advanced s tandingby gregory shewchuk

One indication that I am not quite an enli ht-ened bein is m tempe I can et ery an ry and lose touch ith m hi he pu pose. Asmuch as I enjo skateboa din , hen thin s a enot oin ell I occasionall lose m shit: t h o m boa d, punch m sel , sc eam at the hea ens, andcu se m sel o e en tryin to ide the thin . Its notal a s un and games. In addition to the ph sicalchallen e, skateboa din can be hi hl emotionaland o en takes me to the ed e o some ery unpleas-ant eelin s: doubt, ustration, dep ession, seethin an e . Yet I keep comin back to m boa d, to olla ound and del e deepe into the p ocess. A e 20 ea s o side alk su n , I e started to unde stand hat I am lookin o .

I ecei ed m st skateboa da SimsKamikazein thi d rade in the rapidl de elopin subu b o Columbia, Maryland. I as a child ith ato . I pla ed on m skateboa d, hun out ith iends,ode bikes and built ramps a nd listened to music andpla ed ideo games. As I ente ed middle and hi hschool and became mo e independent and ph sicall capable, skateboa din became mo e o a li est le.

I didnt t into an particula mold. I as artistic,but didnt take art ery se iousl . I had an intellectualmind, but didnt ca e o school. I as ath letic, butdistanced m sel om o ganized sports and the jock/coach/spectato mentalit . Skateboa din became a a o me to be outside, ha in un, hile still bein c eati e and independent and cu ious. I did not likebein told hat to do a nd on a skateboa d, peoplekept thei distance. Mean hile I had un and otexe cise and tra eled up and do n the coast ithiends, chasin ad entu e.

When I le o school in Cali o nia, skateb oa din continued to help me nd an identit a nd establishm p io ities. It in o med m art, m itin , m taste in music. It helped me meet ne iends andet a ound and sta inspi ed. I d opped out o school

a e a ea , and then had a ho ible ca accident. Iractu ed m skull, had holes d illed in m head, and

as a esult I had m st spi itual expe ience. In ah pe -conscious and bliss ul state, I sa the p om-

ised land. I ould ne e be quite the same a erwa ds.E entuall I healed and ot back into skatin . M best iends e e skate s, and to ethe e ente edthe eal o ld and ot i nto business. I chose not too into the skateboa d industry, eelin that I had amo e indi idual path to pu sue. I ended up startin an inte net compan ith a skate iend, p ima il

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In 1996 Cali o nians passed a P oposition called215 that allo ed a citizen to o to a docto to etcerti ed as demented enou h that a ederall

banned e etable substance kno n as a Joint is theonl emed . Te Docto ets a hund ed dolla s. TeCitizen ets a numbe , a little patch, and i thin s oa certain a du in the Bush Obama chan eo e , aee ide to a Special Federal Camp.

Te distinction bet een States Ri hts and FederalLa has led to some li el debates, most notabl Te Wa o Northe n A ession (1861-1865), a e hich it as deemed that, in spite o the Constitution,Feds make the La s and States shut up. So so ry Cali o nia, eed is still illegal in the US. Tis hasc eated a situation he e G o e s, thinkin the canculti ate legal eed behind thei P op 215 pe missionslip, et obbed b Federal A ents. Te G o e cantcall the She i , and the numbe at the UN is al a sbus .

I the p oduction o eed e e legal, t immin eed in Humboldt ould be a lot like the seasonal job o stompin ine in France. It is not legal, sot immin eed in Humboldt is like cookin meth inKentuck . What can I tell ou about oin to o k on a eed a m that the G o e , Te imme s andTe Lando ne ont kill me o ? So c iminals a eespeciall tense about ettin put in ca es b men ith uns.

Fo the sake o this story I ill posit that e ery G o e is, due to certain sk ill sets and p edilections,essentiall the same kind o u . All G o e s ha eth ee shitt houses but dont li e an he e in pa -ticula ; all G o e s a e t i e hippies ho lea ned

to d ink in the A m and dont like to ha e a boss;all G o e s ha e a t uck, a do and an ex- i l iend ith an axe to ind; etc. I dont kno i c ime makescliches come t ue o i its the othe a a ound, butI ould uess that a a iation o the ollo in dramais acted out in emote camps ac oss Humboldt e ery ea at harvest time.

Te st ni hts at the camp e e the loudest ni hts.It as umo ed that a Mexican gan as pistol hip-pin and obbin o e s a ound the alle . So thenei hbo s ould let o a shot, and ed ollo suit,lettin the theo etical Mexican gan kno that the hole mountain stood in a stead state o eadinesso madness. It had et to da n on me hat as sh about the Mexican gan umo because a e a da o cop atch eports and te ible music on radio stationKMUD, m brain as ashed o all sense. I as ead to belie e an thin .

Te main camp consisted o a eclaimed methtraile , an outdoo kitchen and a dryin shack madeo some ound ood: exactl the same as one o thosetobacco shanties ou see slouchin haphaza dl a ound the South, except it eeks o skunk. Outsidethe dryin shack as the kitchen: a eestandin gas jet no mall used to ry tu ke s, a Coleman t obu ne campin sto e and a gas ill, all co e ed b an elegant ta p oo . Te li in oom as comp isedo se eral onk chai s a ran ed in ont o a e pitcut into the oad leadin do n to the een house.

I conside ed m sel luck to be passin a bottlea ound out in the oods hile the sta s skateda ound the sk . Te dirt oad out in the middle o

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up the e. ime asnt eall m t ip an mo e. Temonoton o country li e ea s the chat out o ou.Te oup d oned on, lued to the radio, stoppin hene e the helicopte s passed too close.

Tin s happened. Te must ha e. Te G o e and I ould et d unk and shoot the place up to keepthe camp sa e om maniacs. We ot ood at unnin the escape oute at ni ht d unk as hell because Io et h . Oh eah, because it p o ed ood trainin

hen the G o e ent to to n and the Ex-Gi l iendsho ed up and the shit hit the an.

I as enjo in m ole as the cook ea l onee enin , b ibin the imme s ith hot chai and iedtu ke s iss sand iches hen the Ex sho ed up.

Whe e the uck is Te G o e ? He ent to to n.When is he oin to be back? We dont kno .Oka then, I uess Ill a it.Te Ex-Gi l iend took the stran est spot in the

a ea, up at the top o the epit du into the oad. Teimme s did thei best to not eel th eatened as Te

Ex-Gi l iend lo ded o e them, seethin .Wh dont ou o ait some he e else? sa id the

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the characte e osion o the untold iches Id soon eapo this o k, I ot in the tent and ell a sleep quickl . Id eamt o a hite o l, bi as me, hootin in the hallso a eat library.

Sometime late I oke to the sound o some-thin b eakin sticks and mumblin . Mexicans?Ex-Gi l iends? I had no a o tellin as I as pistoldea and blind unde the rain . Remembe in om Spanish class that Mexican gan s ne e lea e

itnesses to a n the othe s that a Mexican gan iscomin , I jumped out o the tent, butt naked, hopin o the element o su p ise. M ashli ht beam oze aa n and he mothe , crackin thei pistol hips.

Lo siento. And so I slept the est o the ni ht t ull , o the

camp as set up on a ell-tra eled dee trail.

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Da n as cold, as the sun couldnt penetrate theed ood canop . Gettin out o a a m sleepin ba to shi e in the lon shado s is al a s a matte o ill and black co ee. As I t ud ed up the hill to thekitchen in the main camp, I paused at one o the e b eaks in the thick o est to catch a limpse o theone ie allo ed om the hidden hollo , out o e the Humboldt o eathed at the base o the dry b o n hills belo .

Te imme s e e al ead at o k ith KMUDon the camp radio as I put a pot o ate to boil onthe blue jet o the tu ke rye . All the imme s e est on omen ith independent st eaks that ende them unemplo able in the eal o ld. Te a e theG o e s Ne Gi l iend (o cou se), a Lesbian Couple,and some badass ca e au lait chick om L.A. ith Jimi Hend ix hai . Te Lesbian Couple e e p os,ne e missin a minute o t immin at the standa drate o 250 dolla s pe pound. Yea s o scissorwo k had izened thei e es back in thei heads so the looked like t o little possums utzin ith the eed.Te L.A. imme and the Ne Gi l iend e e ne tothe trade, so the took time to eat b eak ast.

Te onl accepted topics o con e sations inHumboldt a e hats ou si n, hat ou cant eat o hat d eam ou had. I told them about the hite o lbecause Im ob iousl an omni o ous Sco pio. Teemme o the Lesbian Couple allo ed that hite o ls

e e ha bin e s o ood ortune hile he i l stolem co ee ate to make oatmeal o he do .

We had to listen to KMUD radio o theCommunit Sa et and A a eness Report p o ided b Te Ci il Liberties Monito in P oject ho atchedo an bi mo es b la en o cement. Paranoiabecomes mo e insidious hen ramed b the destitu-tion o listenin to Legalize It o the ele ent hund edth time.

We had been listenin to te ible music o da s hen, nall , the came on the radio and announced:Tis is KMUD ith a Citizens Watch Report. Te ea e th ee police t ucks ith A Vs on the back head-

in up Goose C eek Road. Oka ? Repeat: citizens atch has just ot a call om a conce ned citizen.Te said the e e headin up Goose C eek Roadabout th ee minutes a o.

Tats ou oad, the G o e s Ne Gi l iendpointed out.

Te Lesbian Couple seem nonplussed but the L.A.imme and the Ne Gi l iend ot up and started

o ryin , ead to un.Te Lesbian Couple sh u ed. Its a lon oad.Te sound o helicopte s thunde ed o e the alle .

Te G o e bu st out o the eclaimed meth traile :Didnt ou hea the radio? he asked, th o in ate on the e, sendin up a bi pu smoke si nal. Tehelicopte s passed o e , on to bi e thin s.

Te G o e s actions e e stran e because hehad all the P opostion 215 Medical Ma ijuana ca ds.Te ule o thumb as that the local D.A. ont busto less than 99 plants and the local she i ont doan thin the D.A. doesnt like. Te G o e also saidthat he thou ht a mom and pop operation like ou s

as unlikel to be busted, but then the G o e alsothou ht that his Ex-Gi l iend as oin to be cool,and that hadnt stopped he om sho in up andactin like a maniac.

Te pale ace and bipola dart o the Ex-Gi l iendse es ga e he that ea l Manson Famil b io. He pants e e belled a ound he eet so she alked onheels, he eas strai ht blonde hai parted in themiddle. You could see the ein in he o ehead jump hen she elled at the G o e , sc eamin at him o t o hou s meane than a soap opera. And then shele . We all b eathed a si h o elie and lau hed at hat had been a tense situation. Ten she came back and cau ht us lau hin .

Ha ha, Im eal unn huh? Dont ou e e uckin lau h at me. She ot in m ace and I a eed ithhe , antin no part o it.

You ot that, siste ? She called the L.A. imme siste because shes kind o black, like b othe Obama. Dont e e lau h at me. Do ou kno that ou e t immin m eed i ht no ?

Te L.A. imme shot back, Ten ou kno that ou should be he e doin the o k instead o stand-in a ound uckin me up. It is dan e ous to pull aimme out o the ocus equi ed to sit and snip in a

lopsided camp chai all da .Lets just talk about hats on m plate, siste .Im not ou siste , the L.A. imme shot back.Yes, ou a e. And I ill call ou that, siste . Lets

talk about hat ou ot on ou plate.Tis aint Oprah. Fuck a ound and ca ll me siste

again. See hat h appens.Te Ex-Gi l iends e es bul ed and she th eatened

to do hat e eryone told he she should ha e donea lon time a o. Lea in just hat that as to ou ima inations. And then she le . We lau hed, qu ietl this time, lest she etu n.

Te Ex-Gi l iends sudden appearance cast a pallo e the camp and t he G o e s excuse o Dont o ry about he , shes just insane as little com ort,conside in hat she could do ith just a phone callto the i ht La En o cement A enc . Soon e ery plane in the sk as Feds.

So the G o e deli e ed the boile plate pep talk o skittish pot camp emplo ees:

La u s ont, as a u le, ollo an one into the oods o ea o boob traps. So, just h it the oodsand the ont ollo ou. Ill sho ou the escapeoute, but ou ont need it.

Te escape oute ollo ed the ex tension o the dee path he e m camp as and then ran do nhill o e a se ies o ences and th ou h a ull ash he e oucant stop unnin o else oull slide and all. Teno e a ence and thou h some poison oak onl to comeout at the Lando ne s contraband eenhouse.

Ten ou o out to the oad and act like ou ethe e to see hat the helicopte is ci clin about.

Helicopte o us?O a plane. I uarantee that hen CAMP comes

it ill be ith a spotte . Te come in lo and ci clea ound in hat the call a death spiral.

Since e e e in the nei hbo hood, the G o e thou ht this mi ht be a ood occasion o me to meetthe Lando ne , ho as as ste eot pical as the esto the cast o characte s on the a m. Te Lando ne is in a iabl a man li in in the oods alone becausesome heartless ench has stolen his c ops e ery ea .Te p oblem is so p e alent that ma n o e s hostill mess ith omen insist on blind oldin thei dates be o e b in in them back to thei camps. Somee en ha e a no i l iend ule, ha in i en up on enches in eneral. Tis leads to a cultu e almost asde oid o omen as hip-hop. Which is h u s likethe Lando ne happen.

Ou Lando ne is one o the old school o e s,and looks e ery bit o it: six- e, 270 pounds, about 60 ith a shoulde -length bo l cut tied do n ith a ban-danna, Maga ita ille i ebeate , annel shirt, Dais

Duke shorts ith his balls han in out, tube socksand hi h top chucks. He is kno n to be a bad man.Te G o e is essentiall a sha e c oppe to the

Lando ne and o es him 35 pe cent o the harvesttake. So Te G o e and Te Lando ne traded ma -ket umo s om to n o panic pounds sellin o ei hteen hund ed dolla s, a belo the accepted PotFa m Bu eau Co-Op p ice o th ee thousand. Couldthese jump ca petba e s make the bottom all out?Could it be that this hole eed-costin -as-much-as-old thin is just anothe Cali o nia bubble?

A i l ea in ubbe boots and a peacoat and a hite dude ith d eadlocks a ed to us.

Tis u , hes a ood t imme .A dude that can t im? said the G o e .Yeah, he has a i e, the Lando ne o e ed b

a o explanation. E eryone kno s men cant t im.Its one o those pat ia chal eneralizations like hitemen cant jump o i ls cant skate hich p o esitsel t ue o en enou h that e en P oposition 8-t pesaccept it.

Back at the camp the G o e spent his time doin bon hits, marvelin at ho he must ha e at least 40pounds o ood eed (thou h he as a raid to tall it up and kno o su e just et). He as li in thed eam bet een calls om the Ex-Gi l iend.

Te G o e ould han up h is cell phone andupdate us, Te e she oes th eatenin me again. I ish she ould stop it.

Whats she sa in ?Oh, shes like shes oin to come up he e and k ill

all o us, hed lau h, d inkin the neck o a bottle o Jack Daniels.

Am Goodmans Democrac No eport pla edtape o some ool eporte ettin stomped b a copho se at the RNC. Tis made the G o e mad enou hto sub ert the dominant paradi m b ettin a oundto harvestin some mo e eed. Without Democrac No ettin Northe n Cali o nia hippies moti atedis like he din cats, i cats ent e ery he e ithckle untrained do s.

Te G o e took me and his do M st e back upto the eenhouse. He cut plant tops and placed themon st in s. Ten I plucked the emblematic se en-n e ed ma ijuana ate lea es until m latex lo es

e e unked ith pollen. Yes, the buds e e all thosema ijuana o ds like c ip, juic and dank.Go et a loss eed po no at the 7-11 i ou ant toead ja on about the a chitectural int icacies o abubba OG kushtop because Im o e it. Its a eed. Itshouldnt cost as much as old o put people in jail.

I hauled the buds om the eenhouse to the dryin oom and hun them on st in s to cu e o t im-min . Back and orth o man da s and ni hts. Da sbu ned a a into eeks. I dont kno ho lon I as

Te Landowne is inva iably aman living in the woods alonebecause some hea tless wench has stolen his c ops eve y yea .Te p oblem is so p evalent that many g owe s who still messwith women insist on blind old-ing thei dates be o e b ingingthem back to thei camps.

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in m ace because, bitch, I ill pounce on ou, I dontca e i ou do ha e scisso s in ou

Te L.A. imme , bein used to the a the dothin s in L.A., leapt om he seat and e up thebank into a u ry o i l ht. She ent upside theEx-Gi l iends head a nd knocked he do n.

Whos a bitch no ? asked the L.A. imme .Te L.A. imme alked a a om the tussle

ith just a patch t o n out o the shoulde o he lon johns. Te L.A. imme took the ciga ette p o e edb the no smitten lesbians and lit it up hile theEx-Gi l iend peeled he sel up om the dirt.

ry and cuss me again, said the L.A. imme .I ant a do-o e , the Ex-Gi l iend mumbled. I

asnt ead .Bette et out o he e be o e I teach ou some

mo e manne s.Te emme lesbian imme told the E x, Cant

ou eel that this ene gy is not o kin he e i htno ?

Te Ex-Gi l iend as dazed enou h that I couldhe d he do n the oad, shooin he like a stra co e ery time she anted to tu n back. Te oad ell o steepl om eithe side and the e as no he e o he to un back but th ou h me, and doubtin thequalit o m me c , she t ud ed on. I elt like a mantakin a do o that nal alk.

Te Ex-Gi l iend ot to the ence he e he b o n ca sat, blockin the gate. Te nal steps tohe ca had the in o esolution in thei heels asshe rabbed he cellphone and dialed. I a lked back nonchalantl until I hea d he on the phone tellin someone di ections to the camp

Goin , eah i ht on Goose C eek, the thi d pull-out on the i ht ith a no t espassin si nI ha ebeen assaulted es, I am still he e no .

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L.A. imme , ho had tucked he hai a a unde the camou a e hood o he jacket.

Well ou could take the id e back up, the Lando ne s ept his a msat the e e da kenin o est, o , i ou let me catch the do s, Ill i e ou aide.

Te Lando ne peeled the ta p o a de elict Che elle in the a d.Tis ca is eal li e, he said. Te Che elle as modi ed ith a home-

made ea box o shin sheet metal i eted in unde the dashboa d. I takethe doo panels out and un this ucke all the a to the East Coast e ery ea . He tu ned the ke and the ca arted up a cloud o blue exhaust andthen oa ed. His do s jocke ed o position on his lap a s the Che elle spitra el all the a up the steep oad.

Te L.A. imme hid in the back unde a blanket as e s erved past thegate he e the Ex-Gi l iend as still pa ked. She ran into the oad othin at the mouth, beatin on the Lando ne s ca and sc eamin Tis mano s ma ijuana!

Jeezus. Its about time o he to lea e the count , said the Lando ne .He took us to the t o-lane oad and d opped us o at the si n he e e

a eed to meet the Ne Gi l iend. A cop, a e t uck and an ambulancesc eeched a ound the curve ith si ens lit.

We called the Ne Gi l iend to tell he that e made it. Te G o e took

the phone om the Ne Gi l iend.Whe e is it?I t ied to tell him he e the stash as. It as ha d to communicate

because he as o ied. Wo ied that the raccoons ould et into the eed. Wo ied that the meth-head nei hbo mi ht nd a ea s orth o o k and sell it o nothin . Ten the G o e ould ha e to kill e erybod to p o e a point.

It as do n that cut bank b the stump, take a i ht and contou ac ossthe hill until ou hit a c eek bed, unde some e ns.

Yeah, oka . When ou et to to n, et ou t uck o the oad. You kno ,cops look o dirt t ucks comin o the back oads.

Te desc iption o a imme siste ith a h a o and ass-kickin le shad the cops out in d o es. I ot the L.A. imme tucked into a hotel o themain st ip. We t ied to clean o the th ee eeks o oods and aited o the G o e to un the gauntlet into to n. Finall he sho ed up, lth ithn e nail scratches all a ound his neck.

I couldnt nd the t uck and u ed oud le to n ith the eed.I le it in the bush, like I said. And ou told me to hide the t uck.Well, I looked o the eed out the e o a hile. Tis time the innu-

endo as ha de to miss.Its the e.I uess it is, i ou e he e. Te G o e sat do n hea il and p oduced

a bottle o hiske om his jacket. I noticed that he had his pistol tucked inhis belt. He pou ed us all d inks.

Shit, me and the Lando ne thou ht ou e e lon one ith the eedand the t uck.

A ash o e et must ha e e iste ed on the aces o me and the L.A.imme because the G o e lau hed at us.

ell ou hat, ha e a d ink. And li e it up, oddammit! he elled, slin -in Johnn Walke Blue all a ou nd on the ca pet. I ou e onna et intothe game ou ot to li e it up, because hen the come th ou h that doo its all onna chan e.

We spent the ni ht d inkin and atchin indo s, talkin business ith the G o e in a oom ull o suitcases and uns. Te lo e o eas mone has been the uin o man a poo bo and b mo nin ou kno I as one.

So call the cops and tell them to bust me. ell them that Im comin southi ht no ith some o that dank Humboldt OG bab shit train eck kush ush . ell them the ca nt miss me. Im on the 101 ith a dan e ousimme om L.A. i ht no . Im in a hite an, a dirt blue o ota t uck

and a sedan ith hollo doo s. Doesnt matte hat Im d i in , eall .T o up oadblocks, pull e erybod o e and let the courts sort it out.Ten bust e eryone o de in pizza a e ten oclock. Bust all the tu ke ba bu e s. Get those skinhead pi s om Ri e side up in a helicopte to look o dan e ous o e s and send these o e s indoo s he e the belon .

Do e ery bit o that ze o tolerance shit and lets et this eed p iceup om the p ice o old to the p ice o platinum because Im tryin to li e.

Dave Reeves has a sho t sto y t itled Bottle to T ottle published in the oLette s Collection o Art and W itin

. Also he is expecting to have a movie heco-w ote with La y Cla k called Shame in p oduction by Ma ch, but unde - stands that eve yone in this town lies to him about shit like that so he will jumpth ough hoops like a little t ained dog.

capitalisms endless Bi Ban -like expansion, aneno mousl po er ul a e o trans o mation thatin some manne o anothe oats almost all o ou boats. I this immense o o nested eedback loops,p oduction net o ks, and capital o s starts to slo ,then thin s dont just mello out. Te start to allapart, like a Chinese ac obatscratch that, Ame ican ac obat hose spinnin plates lose thei momentumand ine itabl all to the oo e en as the poo ello keeps his balance. Tat means amilies et pushedinto po ert , small businesses close, poo olks o desperate and ich olks e en mo e sel sh and mean.

But an economic slo do n also means a temporalslo do n, and, in the i ht measu e, that mi htnot be such a bad thin . A lot o us spend ou da slike zombies on speed, poundin ca eine, schizo-ranticall multitaskin , t itte in and icke in ,and the eb sac i cin hat is eall a rathe b ie span on this lo ious ball o disquiet to the insatiabledemands o o k, consumption, sel -imp o ement,

and technolo ical mediation. Is it eall so ho ibleto ima ine the ju e naut do n-shi in o once, atleast enou h o olks to step back, take a b eath, ande-assess? Certainl the planet ouldnt mind i eall just pulled o e to a est stop o a couple o ea sbe o e bucklin back in and oo in it to a ds theeat Sin ula it the technolo ists p edict.

Slo time could be seen as elastic time. Once ou slo do n enou h, ou can see all the thin sthat need help and ca e, and ou ha e mo e time toattend them, and mo e time to c eati el espondto di culties and constraints. I the slo do n isnot too catast ophic, it ill carve out mo e oom intime and space o indi iduals and communities totake esponsibilit o thei li es and localities ando some o the m iad rass- oots solutions thatal ead exist to take oot. Te e ont be as muchmone oatin a ound, but the e ill be mo e humanhou s and human needs, includin cultural needsthat mi ht etu n to the o e as somethin mo e thandi ital distraction. Ma be music is about to et eall ood again.

So the next time ou hea about the slo do n,think instead o slo ood. Fo med in support o e ional ood traditions and against homo enizedindust ial pseudo- ub, the slo ood ideology is alsoa eaction to the di ital, push-button, time-sa in lo ic o ast ood. In othe o ds, the slo ood sceneis a conscious attempt to esto e the depth, meanin ,and complexit o the enti e ood c cle, om a msto amil meals, and to do so partl th ou h changing

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the analog lifeby erik davis

Y ou can ha dl blame an one o eelin theea and panic that helped d i e Octobe s nea nancial meltdo n. Scannin the head-lines o the ne s eeds, ou e es eeted a stead pulse o bumme lin o. Global Recession. G eatDep ession. Financial Collapse. Se ious o ds o se ious times. But the e as anothe phrase I keptstumblin ac oss, less apocal ptic certainl but stilldeli e ed ith a im atalism, that st uck me di e -entl . Te econom , e e e a ned, as sho in si ns o a si ni cant slowdown.

Slo do n? I dont kno about ou, but I coulduse a bit o a slo do n i ht about no . ake thin seas , not un a ound so much, ma be poke a oundthe ga den and est in that uita . Hold a nei hbo -hood potluck, lea n eme enc esponse, can sometomatoes. I ha ent nished ebuildin the o ce, a ndha ent e en cracked Te Man Without Qualities .

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he e a e th ee undamentals that uide thistime o descent into northe n-hemisphe e da k-ness. Te inte season is one o decline and

decomposition, acti it belo ound and eneralshado iness. Te undamentals that uide us a e:

ev hing co in o hi wo ld h ng .ev hing w n o b dig d.ev hing ow ow d oil.

everythingcomesinto thisworldhungry.

Bacte ia a e the li in st uctu e assistin all li eo ms includin ou sel es. Te a e the p imary alchemists trans o min st uctu es o li e into othe st uctu es. Bacte ia shall om he eon be kno n asbeasties.

All matte is constantl , biochemicall alte in asenz mes al ead p esent in an o ganism b eak do nom ithin, and mic oo ganisms, namel beasties

(but sometimes un i too) settle in to eat and exc ete,trans o min a pea on ou counte , a pile o lea eson the side alk, o an animal co pse into a lo el pileo biolo ical oo o soil on the spot he e the pea /lea es/co pse o me l ested. It is the end o theline in one a , but the be innin o anothe too. Inothe o ds, the snake eats he o n tail. Its natu esnatu e.

Beasties make milk into cheese, uit juice into inega and ine, e etables into pickles, beans intomiso. Fe mentation is basicall makin a habitat in hich bene cial bacte ia and/o un i can set upshop, eat and exc ete until the un out o thei oodsou ce, o ou deem it time to stop them because the ine o cheese o pickles a e ead . Shoot, ithoutthese beasties it ould be di cult to th o a part .

everythingwantsto bedigested.

Demonstration No. 1: ake a sli htl b uiseduit, o peelin s o uit (not a o eous piece o uitsa e that o eatin ) and place it in a lass ja .

Add suga . Sc e on the top and shake it a bit. Te

bacteria, digeStion and oLd-timekitchen foLk magic

mixtu e needs to b eathe, so emo e the lid and placea ra o e the ja and secu e it ith a ubbe banda ound the in o the ja . Place in a da k, oom-temperatu e space so the beasties can eat in peace. A e ten da s, taste the mixtu e. I ou like it, strainout the uit and put in the id e, hich ill slo thee mentation p ocess.

You ha e just made un lte ed p o-biotic uit-scrap inega .

Secu in and p ocessin ood o stora e usedto consist o simple, sometimes labo -intensi e, butenti el pet ochemical- ee p ocesses: slo e apora-tion, smokin , e mentin , and p eservin in oil/ inega /hone /salt/alcohol o in-the- ound stora e.Tese lo -techie but completel sa e methods e eused extensi el until the m id 19th century, henkitchen olk ma ic as displaced b pasteu ization,the p ocess that ueled mode n e m theory. Tisparadi m shi sa ed li es, but it also cont ibuted toou eneral ea o soil, ou bodies and ou bodies aste. And pasteu ization, ith its equisite applica-tion o hi h heat, kills the ood beasties that helpkeep ou ra ood sa e and health . We otta keep ou inte nal ga dens o beasties th i in ! Eat... Exc ete...Eat... Exc ete...

Demonstration No. 2: Chop e ies, ild eens,

oots, o hate e ou ant to pickle. Make a b ine ith non-chlo inated ate and sea salt. B ine shouldbe nea l saturated ith salt, just like ocean ate .oss the dense mate ial (i.e. oots, ga lic clo es) intothe b ine and and s i l it a ound a bit. Drain the

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applied magic(k)by the center fortactical magic

One o the oldest themes inma ic(k) is that o death andesu ection. Recu in in theo i in sto ies o nume ous eli ions,death and esu ection also pla edan important ole in the initiationce emonies o ea l shamans ac ossthe lobe. B st descendin into thedepths o sickness, disease, and e endeath itsel a Sibe ian shaman ouldmake alle iances ith spi it allies hocould be called upon to help t he li -in . But in o de to do so, the shaman ould ha e to survi e the o deal andetu n to li e be o e s/he could act asan inte mediary.

Anth opolo ists ha e observedsimila tendencies in shamanicinitiation th ou hout eo raphicall di e ent cultu es. Althou h the story o Jesus Ch ist is pe haps ou societ smost amilia example, schola s o o ld eli ion a e quick to point outthat man aspects o the Ch ist story a e e ected in ea lie eli ious belie ssu oundin such deities as Osi is,Dion sus, and Mithras to name buta e o the mo e notable, e ionalexamples. Ho e e , the list o d in -and- isin ods numbe s ell into thedozens and extends ac oss the o ldmap to include the likes o Quetzalco(Aztec), Odin (No se), Ishta (Mesopotamia), Julun ul (Abo i inal Australian), and ra olta (Holl ood).

While arantinos esu ection o

ra olta mi ht not quali him as a od orth o the a o ementionedpantheon, themes o death andesu ection ha e lon pla ed outon the sta es o popula cultu e andentertainment. Ea l per o me s inNati e Ame ica and in ancient Egypt

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Tu ston, the eat Vaude ille ma icianand maste Mason, took the anishin act a step urthe b int oducin thethe anishin Arabian steed ollo eda e ea s late b the anishin automobile alon ith its passen e s.Mo e than simpl illustratin thetechnolo ical trajectory o transporta-tion, Tu stons anishes demonstratedto his audience that coins, ca s, o othe s mbols o mate ial ealth possess a alue that is not lastin . Late ma i-cians ailed to eco nize the potentialo multiple le els o s mbolic ele anceand ocused onl on scale as a dete -minin acto o thei illusions b anishin elephants and ate bu alo.

Ho e e , the same cannot be saido Da id Coppe elds amed anish-in o the Statue o Libert . With 1984loomin and Ronald Reagan bus con- ju in his o n oodoo economics thedisappearance o Lad Libert p obabl should ha e spooked audiences mo ethan it did. Clea l mo e p opheticthan Tu stons anishin ho se,Coppe elds anishin Libert shouldha e been ega ded not as p ime timeentertainment but as a di e a nin o politics to come. I t eated as an omen, e can at least take com ort in the actthat Coppe elds illusion is ultimatel a estoration and not simpl a anish.I so, and the m stical ision holdst ue, e can expect the etu n o ou ci il liberties, cell phone p i ac , andpe haps e en the eein o those ho

ha e been disappea ed b o e nmentcontracted extrao dinary enditionai cra and in the CIA-operated sec etp isons ab oad.

In sta e ma ic, anishes ma el on a ran e o methods to achie e thedesi ed e ect. Te use o mi o s,trap doo s, sec et compartments, anddoubles mi ht be used to esto e anassistant to a health state. Whilepolitics also utilizes no short suppl o uses, deceptions, and misdi ections, ittakes much mo e to etu n to a health state. Althou h e itnessed the an-ishin o Geo e Bush om the WhiteHouse in January o 1993, e e e ledumbst uck hen a second Geo eBush eappea ed in the O al O ce in2000. Unlike the shamanic ascensionom the underwo ld that a o ds m s-

te ious ne po e s o helpin t eat theailments o othe s, this hellish etu n as accompanied b t o a s, anexplodin national debt, a de astatin economic crash, and m ste ious ne po e s o o e nment surveillanceand the executi e branch.

Tank ull the curtain call has comeo that sad act. Te sta e has beeneset and e a e no ea e l a aitin the next Bush anishin act om thehalls o o e nment. Hope ull thistime its a pe manent disappearance. And pe haps hen the curtain oesup on this next act ell itness theesu ection o the lon -dead spi ito democrac that has ecentl be un

hauntin ou hopes and d eams again.Undoubtedl , politicians and

o e nments ill continue to per o mmuch as the ha e in the past. Yet, themass mobilization a ound the Obamacampai n has i en the audience ne clues in dete minin the outcome o thesho . Te close o the Obama/McCainelection ep esented a political shi inmo e a s than one. Fo the st timein ei ht ea s (i not lon e ), peoplepou ed into the st eets not to p otest anact o o e nment but to celebrate one.Te jubilation ent a be ond part politics because the t iumph ent notonl to the Democrats. People couldeel thei o n political po e. Whethe o not Obama li es up to his campai np omises and ou hi hest expecta-tions emains to be seen; et, the eal ictory he e is the empo e ment o the rass oots to accomplish a majo political mission. Hope ull , the nextei ht ea s b in s the political utopianequi alent o unico ns and demonssha in the last slice o birthda cakeunde a shimme in rainbo . But i it doesnt, e no ha e a oad map o o ganizin that doesnt just look likeanothe eekend ma ch ith placa dsand puppets in the nancial dist ict o a majo met opolis. On the contrary,the mobilization a ound Obama as idesp ead, sustained, contextual, andmedia-sa . It utilized multiple out-each strate ies, c eati e tactics, and amodel o undraisin that accumulated

millions o small donations into a mega-und o mani estin a collecti e ision.

And no that e see hat e canaccomplish, the es no eason h eshould stop the e. Te sho must o on locall , nationall , loball . O else ema nd ou sel es sittin once again ina da k theate a aitin the esu ectiono ou political ni htma es.

Fo this next act, its time o theaudience to take the sta e and per o ma anishin act o ou o n b banishin the Bush/Chene cabal once and o all. We ecommend that the White Housebe ull cleansed ith sa e, and ga licshould be hun in all doorwa s and indo s. Furthe , e ha e p o ideda do-it- ou sel exo cism o m o ead-e s to use in cleansin all co uptin in uences that ma be possessin theemainin politicians in D.C. Muchlike the shaman ho gains his healin abilities b passin st th ou h thet ials o sickness, e, too, ha e su e edcollecti el o e the last ei ht ea sand a e no in a position to eme e ith ne ound po e s o esto in thehealth o ci il societ th ou h c eati einitiati e.

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Ch issie H nde is in Holl ood on a short p omotional tou o the United States to p omote the ne P etende s album, B eak Up the Conc ete, hich comes ith a piece o seedpape that ill o o e s. H nde likes to joke that the pape con-tains hi h-qualit cannabis seeds, but m e e ish expe iments ha e ielded nau ht, pe haps because the soil in m nei hbo hood isplaste sand and the ate is pu e chlo ine bleach. Just the sorto un een conditions o cit li e that H nde ants to b eak up. Accompan in he on this t ip is the P etende s b illiant ne ui-ta ist, James Walbou ne, esh o o stints pla in ith Te Po uesand Je ry Lee Le is. Walbou ne, a conta iousl excited B it in hislate 20s, is about to join us he e in thei hotel oom, and H nde ants to make su e Im oin to b in him into the con e sation hen he a i es. Tis magazine is di e ent, so ou dont ha e to

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acoustic sets in radpla ed at Amoeba at the McCabes GTe b ie shook up I met them shortl Joness local radiotook the sta e and the top button o happearance e e delo ie . Te sho s e eo eous as e e , andto emembe one o

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ou l ics ha e as man non sequitu s as a Beckettpla Walbou ne ould imp o ise thei a back tothe son .

Ch issie H ndes oice as a ite and a sin e isa hell o a thin . You could talk about the dramaticran e o a oice that can snee You e onna makesome plastic su eon a ich man and b eak ou heart ith Kid on the same album, o ou couldtalk about he expert cont ol o tone and pitch andthe e ect o he oice on an audience, o ou couldtalk about he ocal t emolo, hich immediatel distin uishes he om othe ock sin e s ou couldtalk about all these thin s, and I hope that ou ill,but the cold act emains: ou band ill ne e , e e be able to pull o attooed Lo e Bo s. Fo m part,I suspect that H ndes per o mances a e so emotion-all a ectin because she has ne e i en up on theha d o k o tryin to ima ine a public domain in hich she and he art and he bandmates and he audience mi ht mo e per ectl coexist. On t hei 1984eco din o H ndes son M Cit Was Gone, theP etende s depict hat it eels like to etu n homeand nd ou sel in an u ban- ene alized hostto n, he e all local distin uishin ma ks ha ebeen erased o pa ed o e , and e eryone o ks atthe same shoppin mall. I ima ine that i the late,eat radical en i onmentalist Ed a d Abbe e e

still abo e ound, he ould be me il histlin thene P etende s son B eak up the Conc ete hile jackhamme in up eat chunks o the inte state andth o in bee cans heedlessl o e his shoulde .

H nde he sel ote about ock music o NMEb ie in the ea l '70s, ha in mo ed to Londonom Ak on, Ohio, he e she as bo n Septembe

7, 1951. In the initial punk ea s, she as a comradeo the Clash, the Sex Pistols and Mot head. Teo i inal P etende s took shape in sum me 1978 hen H nde, d umme Martin Chambe s, bassistPete Fa ndon and uita ist James Hone man Scotteco ded the Stop You Sobbin sin le ith Nick Lo e. Te bands debut album, P etende s , hichollo ed in 1980 on Si e Reco ds, contained the

hit Brass in Pocket. Shortl a e H nde, Scott andChambe s kicked Fa ndon out o the band in 1982,Scott died o d u - elated causes; Fa ndon died theollo in ea , also om ha d d u s. Te di e ent

e sions o the P etende s H nde has led since then

continue to de elop a sin ula ision o ock and ollthat makes the e gae, soul, country and este nand punk en es sound continuous. I ou li e inthe United States and ha e an FM radio, then ouha e hea d Back on the Chain Gan and Brassin Pocket, and, i ou a e luck enou h to ha e anantenna that picks up deep cuts, then ou e hea d

M stery Achie ement too.H nde has been a staunch ad ocate o animal

i hts and e eta ianism since at least 1969, henshe became in he o ds a ai l dou e eta ian,and is a longtime PE A supporte and acti ist. In1989, at a G eenpeace p ess con e ence, a eporte asked H nde hat she had done o the en i on-ment; she said, I e ebombed McDonalds. A McDonalds in Milton Ke nes, En land as subse-quentl bombed. Asked hethe she e ets ad o-catin iolent p otest o t he U.K.s Independent in2004, H nde eplied, Well, that depends on hat ou e p otestin about. In the case o McDonalds, e e talkin about a compan that makes its mone out o animal slau hte . So ou ha e to steam in the e,uns a-blazin . You cant talk them out o it, can ou?Sometimes ou e o ced to use o ce.

B eak Up the Conc ete is the st ne P etende s

album in six ea s. H nde sa s that Shan i-LaReco ds chie Ste e Bin app oached he just as she as about to th o in the to el, sa in , Lets try it. You dont need a p oduce , just o in and o k.Usuall hen I hea a ne eco d ith ockabill licks on it, I each o the nea est hand un, but

hen I hea d James Walbou nes pla in on B eakUp the Conc ete, I eached o m Kleenex box. In Walbou nes hands, the ockabill idiom has nothin to do ith the li ht entertainment, lite bee nos-tal ia cult that is still popula in some Ame icansubu bs. Te pain, jo , enz and shee numbe o su p isin ideas Walbou ne is able to communicatein his pla in ou ht to make an bod think t iceabout pop en es commonl assumed to be dead. Walbou ne made his st appearance on eco d asa teena e , on Pete B untnells 1999 album No mal

o B idgewate , and subsequentl o ked ith thePe nice B othe s and Son Volt, hose E ic He oodpla s pedal steel uita on Conc ete. North Londonpunk Nick Wilkinson is the P etende s ne bass-ist, and on the album, le endary session dude JimKeltne named b Neil Youn as one o his th eea o ite d umme scommands hat I hope at this

point in his ca ee is a ery com ortable, e onomicd um th one. O i inal P etende s d umaniac MartinChambe s ill etu n hen the band tou s next ea .Catch em: Te ule.

Back at the hotel, e e tryin to ha e tea. H ndeis ea in a -shirt ith detou ned Coca-Cola lo oeadin Enjo Ak on. At the Amoeba i , H nde o ethe same Tink Rubbe t-shirt she ea s in the B eakUp the Conc ete line s

ARTHUR: So the Tink Rubbe shirt is that anothe Ak on shirt?

CHRISSIEHYNDE: Oh, its all these Ak on shirts.Im so t o pumpin Ak ons p o ile at the moment. Well, ou kno , I e ot a egan estaurant the ethe Ve i e ranean.

A: Ho s it doin ?

CH: Amazin , its a phenomenon, its a bi success. Noone could belie e it. E eryone said, Dont do it, oulllose e erythin .A: Cuz the thou ht it as the on place o it?CH: Well, the thou ht that, kno , most e eta -ian estaurants o unde and, eah, its in Ak on, Ohio,the e asnt one e eta ian estaurant. Its ull e ery ni ht and people absolutel lo e it.A: G eat set at Amoeba este da . It seems like the e

e e some intense people up ont.CH: Yeah, but ou kno i ou e been a ound o a hile, ou collect them a e a hile. What can ou sa ?But the e a e the all i ht ones ho I mean the eans, kno , ithout them e ouldnt, et cetera. Butthen the e a e some ho, kno , its not unn . Someollo ed us to the hotel last ni ht, and the had a bi

stack o [ eco ds] Oh, but e e bi ans, and the anted me to si n all this stu . I said, Ykno hatdont bu an mo e o m eco ds. Ykno , dont be aan, oka ? Dont be a an. Cuz the e e l in to us.

JAMESWALBOURNE: You kind o o ded it a littlebette at the time [ laughs ].A: Do ou mean hen Ch issie said at the in-sto e, Did ou e e think ma be ou e al ead dead?

CH: Oh, no, that as some othe thou ht. Ha e ou?

A: Whats that?

CH: Tou ht ma be ou e al ead dead?

A: Oh, su e.

CH: Oh, oka , ell, its ob iousl somethin oin a ound. I mean, e did all that si nin [at Amoeba] and

that as nice, but then the come ith a stack o stu ...JW: Eba .

CH: See, I dont mind people sellin stu on Eba andmakin mone out o me. But ou kno , i I dont ha ethat much time and the es a queue o like, ho e e

solos, one o them is the son Almost Per ect hichI thou ht sounded like Weste n s in ; thats h itsounds so ucked up. I hea d it as Weste n s in , andthats hat I had in m mind. As o the est, I pla mo eockabill , I ould uess. [ to Hynde, on the balcony ] Youout o a ciga ette?

CH: No, Im just ettin the ashtra .

A: You can smoke in he e, Im a smoke listen to me,he e I am tellin ou that ou can smoke in ou o nhotel oom, thats ho Ame icanized I am.

CH: Tats ho craz its ettin . No, I mean, e e los-in it he e, actuall .

A: I hea d on the radio toda that e ery month in B itaina ound 60 pubs a e oin unde , that pubs a e just clos-in . [ Walbou ne looks g ie -st icken ]JW: Yeah, the a e.CH: Well, ou kno hats happenedthe e becomegast o-pubs. So, hat the e done, because pubs ell,actuall , James, co ect me i Im on he e

JW: Oh, its so dep essin .

CH: Yeah, I kne it ould be dep essin . Hes a ealpub u .JW: Its close to m heart.CH: I think the used to be mo e o , like, o kin men,and omen didnt eall o in them, p obabl , henthe started.

JW: Back in the 70s, no he e.

CH: In the 70s? Well, Im talkin about a little urthe back than that. When I a i ed, in the 70s, ou couldntet a lass o ine in a pub. And i ou asked o atequila, the didnt e en kno hat ou e e talkin aboutit as like askin o a cup o co ee some he e,the onl had po de ed co ee.

he othe thin thats inte estin about pubs ellthe es a lot inte estin about pubs, just the names o them a e inte estin but i ou e e to ask a Londoncabbie a di ection, o e he e the ould sa , Its onthe co ne o La Cienega and hate e , he eas the ethe di ect ou b , ou kno , Its b the Do and Bone.Te ha e a di e ent s stem o e the e, and the pubsa eal important part. But hats happened? Womenstarted oin ; I think that kinda chan ed the ibration.

JW: It as an escape, o a man, I think, an escape omthe omen. Tats hat it as.CH: A te ou e e o kin , i it as in a coal mineo hate e it as, ou could et to ethe and elaxlike a hal a house bet een oin [to o k] and home,p obabl .JW: he e become like ba s. Gone a e the ca pets,and the dartboa ds a e one. One up nea he e I li eecentl ot id o all the pool tables.

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man people, 75, 100 and e e si nin , then its hatthe En lish call takin the piss. So these u s came[to the hotel] and said Ooh, e ot pushed to the end, e couldnt et in, o somethin , and[to Walbou ne] ou lo ed that, ou hadnt seen that be o e, had ou? TeEba Special.

JW: No, I ha e, thats hat pisses me o ith it.

CH: Cuz it seems to be modi ed e ery ea one ea its just a ca d, no its ettin mo e and mo eitsrameable. No , its all ead to o into a rame. But, like

I said, I dont mind someone makin a little bit o mone ,but dont ou kno , e e e chased b someone hohad a stack o eco ds he anted us to si n. So I si nedone, and I said, Oka , chee s, thanks o comin out,and he oes, Te e all di e ent. And I o, Well, I eotta et to anothe radio station, and he as pissed

o ! He ollo ed us th ou h ed li hts.A: People eel entitled.CH: Well, the e not. So, ou kno hat? u n thatdial. When the P etende s come on, tu n it o . I ontbothe ou, ou dont bothe me. Unless ou anna ha ethe kind o exchan e that e all li e o , hich is hat[le endary Sti Reco ds ock and oll sin e ] W ecklessE ic desc ibed as a sec et bet een the audience andthe artist. Ykno , he e its eall pe sonal and ou eellike the est o the o ld dont kno about it. Tats h e e the e.

A: Hes eat, I sa him last ea . With, I think, hisi l iend

CH: His i e, no . Te missus. Yeah, the ne albums

eat. We sa him in Penns l ania. We e e in one stu-dio, and the e e in the othe , and e sort o bumpedinto them. Yeah, e e bi ans, and thats hat he saidto me oncethat the e needs to be, like, this sec etbet een I mean, I e spent mo e time in m li e asthe audience than I ha e as the artist, thats o su e.

But the e a e certain thin s ou dont do to stran e s. I ouldnt do that to a stran e . I ou think ou kno me,then h didnt ou al ead ead that Im not a ery nicepe son, and ill tell ou to uck o ?

A: I think I emembe John L don sa in in an intervie that he mo ed he e because people le him alone.CH: Hes a compulsi e lia . He mo ed he e because hecould be a bi shot and ha e ba beques and li e in thesun and ha e a p i ate s immin pool.

A: It sounds to me like the ne eco d as mostl eco ded li e, is that i ht?

JW: Its all li e. Actuall , the es p obabl an acoustico e dub

CH: Acco dion o e dub, an acoustic

JW: But thats it.

CH:Its li e. All the mistakes a e in the e.

A: James, is it ai to characte ize some o ou pla in as like Weste n s in ?

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CH: Te used to ha e pinball machines, and then the ot id o those, and then the ot Space In ade s, andno the e ettin tele isions. Gast o-pubs, and the eeall un b Australians and Ki is and stu . Which isne, but its chan ed the a o o hat it as. I mean,I as ne e eall a pub pe son, but bein almost likean honorary u m sel I dont c oss the line, I donthan out ith the u s hen I kno Im un antedbutI can eall app eciate hat the ethos o the pub as,and hat a shame it must be that its oin JW: You kno its oin on hen the es not a dart-boa d in the e. Reall , to be honest. Tat as the laststra .

A: Was that a ocal point o the pub? E erybod pla eddarts?JW: No, no, not eall , but the e as al a s one the e.Te e as al a s one, and no the e one.

CH: No the e too loud, and its bad musicits all on . E erythin is all on .

JW: You can ask an bod , the ll sa the same. Its alldisappea ed, the best thin s about London.

A: So hat do o kin people do?CH: Get a seholedabsolutel uckin ARSEHOLED.JW: Te e a e pubs, but the pubs just a ent nice to oto no its like oin to a hotel ba , o an ai port ba ,eall .

CH: Especiall in London, its become this bin e d ink-in cultu e. So ou et, like, a ga le o sc eamin i ls.

Ykno , nobod likes that. But then, as m dau hte pointed out, she oes, But, Mom, i i ls didnt d ink,u s ould ne e et laid. [ laughte ] Its nice hen

ou dau hte can ll ou in.A: Could ou tell me about the Robert Kidne son onthe ne album?

CH: He is a u omI dont kno i hes om Ak ono Kent, some he e in northeaste n Ohioand hen I as 16, the e as a co eehouse he e ou could sco epot and stu , and I used to sneak out and o the e onthe eekends. It as called the Berth, and he used to belike the esident sort o sin e /songw ite . And he oulddo some like Jesse Colin Youn son s and stu , but Ithou ht he as amazin then. But then he ot in thisband called the Numbe s Band, 15.60.75. 1

M b othe e ry as the musical one in the amil the called him Benn hen he as a kid, a e Benn Goodman, and he as eall into jazz. Hes the one thattold me ock and oll ouldnt last. Its the one time thathe eall made me cry, but I tortu ed him mo e thanhe tortu ed me. An a , so e ry ot in the band, andthe Numbe s Band has been pla in o , like, 40 ea s.Real excellent musicianship, eal, eal hi h standa d, somusical, but the e ne e le Kent. Te still ha e thei amilies and stu , ou kno , he eas us ou ha e too o a certain amount i ou ant to eall o out intothe o ld, on the oad, o most people do.

So Bob Kidne has been itin son s o the Numbe sBand and pla in ith them all these ea s. One o thelast times I sa them, I noticed that the did this ne son much di e ent than the a that e e doneitand I said to e ry, Would Bob ha e a eco din o that son ? cuz I as just about to come out he eand e e e just onna o in to eco d. So he sent methisI ish I had it to pla ou, this o eous demo o him. It almost sounds like hes itin the son as hesoin . Its eal blues . And e all lo ed it. It as eat topla it o Jim Keltne , hes oin Wo ! And Im think-in , its so nice that Bob can et hisI dont mean hisdue because hes on a P etende s eco d, but his duethat people like Jim Keltne can hea him and think sohi hl o him. And Jack Kidne is one o the best ha ppla e s in the o ld.

CH: Bob E ans.

JW: Denn s, thats e ery he e. Te onl a ou cantell is om a Wafe House, i its do n south, cuz the enot an he e else eall .CH: E en t uck stops used to be hen I st ot in aband, e lo ed it hen e ot to a t uck stop, cuz oucould bu eall cool belt buckles, a shirt and stu , ande en those ha e become like st ip malls almost. Butagain, I think the es a t end in the othe di ection no . And ma be people a e bein mo e o ced to do that. Idont anna et into the easons h , because I hate totalk about oil o an thin , I think its too dis ustin e ento talk about.

A: Not e en a little bit, o A thu ?CH: Well, oka .

A: Ykno , the es that line in B eak Up the Conc ete he e ou sa e as so o ied bout them d oppin the bomb / e didnt notice he e ou enem as eall comin om. Whos the enem to oumen o indus-

try, o hat?CH: Yeah. Well, e can see hats happened no iththe stock ma ket, hed e undin and all that. About 15 ea s a o, I started thinkin Whe e did all this mone come om? Han on a minute. When I e up, I ne e sa a old atch; ou ne e sa people ith Po sches, Imean, oud hea d o them. And suddenl the es all thismone e ery he e, e eryone had so much. I think in the

80s it sort o came to a c escendo. And no London is just carved up b people in Fe ra is, and eal expensi e[ca s]I nd it all ery po no raphic.

A: Do people d i e SUVs in London?

CH: Yeah, but the became eall unpopula . People ould put hate notes on them and stu .

A: Oh, ood.

CH: And no , people dont ant them he e eithe . But,o example, James doesnt d i e; he doesnt ha e alicense and cant d i e.

[ Walbou ne twists himsel into a g otesque o an utte ly helpless pe son. Hynde laughs. ]CH: I ou e in London, and ou e been tou in o 10 ea s, since he as 18, and ou e on the oad kno ,

ou dont need to d i e. You et to London, ou cantake the Unde ound, ou ouldnt ha e time o ou ouldnt think about it, cuz ou dont ha e to. And thatseems like that should be ou choice, i ou annad i e o not. But Ame icans, i ou dont d i e, the essomethin on ith ou. You ha e to ha e a ca . Andto me that sho s somethin is eall on ith thes stem.

A: Do ou see a connection ith e eta ianism the e?

CH: One hund ed pe cent. One hund ed pe cent.

A: I mean, aside om the c uelt issue, the es some-thin o ensi e about the idea o e erybod bein ableto li e like a Roman empe o all the time, eastin andha in all this stu .

CH: Oh, its ho ible.

JW: ell him about the bic cle.

CH: Dan Mathe s [PE A Senio Vice P esident], e e e talkin about it the othe da , and he made astatement that I think is eall a ood one to summa izethe hole situation: A e eta ian d i in a Humme hasless impact on the en i onment than a meat eate on abic cle.

We e e in a estau ant this a te noon a te e did Jones s Jukebox, and James C om ell [acto and eganacti ist] alked in, and I e o e to him and th e m a ms a ound him and said Tank God e ha e ou. Ata PE A gala, o e 10 ea s a o, he ga e this eat speech.He said, No one ho calls himsel o he sel an en i on-

Jack pla sI dunno, the ha e saxophones and ke -boa ds and thin s, and then the es Bob hos ery blues , and he eall ets out the e. Hes ot this kind o h pnotic. . . its ery intense. Very intense. Te came toLondon and the did somethin ith Pe e Ubu, and the called it 50 Yea s o Painit as 50 ea s combined o Pe e Ubu and them, the d been to ethe 50 ea s [com-bined]. And it as so intenseI tu ned to the people I as ith and said, Make that 50 ea s and 38 minutes.[ laughte ]A: Ho does Ak on seem these da s? Is it dep essed, o hat?

CH: Its tu nin a co ne . on oppe, one o ou localpeople in the do nto n a ea hos bu in old build-in s and esto in them and stu , said Te called it

dest o ed themsel es ith thei o n eed no .

JW: I as talkin to [Sex Pistols d umme ] Paul Cook about this at dinne . I dont think the es much o aeco d industry le in London, o En land, so much. Itseems like the e in eal t ouble. I think the inte netis the mainlea nin ho to ma ket CDs, books, cuznobod s bu in the thin s. You can o back to in l,ma be, and try to make that somethin that people ill ant, but I dont think kids a e eall bu in music.

CH: Te es still that expe ience o oin into a smalleco d sto e, and bein able to spend the a e noon inthe e, and kind o sea ch and hunt it do n and nd it, hich is again a kind o eal pe sonal expe ience

JW: And its somethin to do.

CH: and music lo e s lo e to do that, and I think despite the calamities that e e in, those a e t ends hich I see as bein ery positi e.JW: A lot o the eco d shops ha e one in Londonespeciall . I used to o do n and spend all da lookin

th ou h [ mimes inding an amazing LP ]. Most o themha e one. Its eall ei d. He e, tooits like Amoeba, Vi in, and thats it.

A: Te es a couple specialt shops le .

CH: But in Ak on, Ohio, the es one called I think Squa e Reco ds in the Hi hland Squa e a ea.

JW: Te e about, the es just not man o them.

CH: I think the es a s in back to a d that, becausepeople like it. And once ou et those smalle com-munities, ou et

JW: but ith Eba , nobod ants to o out because ou dont ha e to. You dont ha e to sea ch hich isthe eat thin about it. Its the excitement o ndin that eco d thats b illiant.

A: Yeah, I ound m st P etende s eco d in a th isto e, Lea ning to C awl on in l o like cents. Ip obabl o e ou mone on that. [ laughte ]

CH: Keep it, keep it. But these a e the thin s that madeit excitin . You local radio station, he e the disc jocke

as hat I ould desc ibe as kinda like ou local u u, ho could tu n ou on. Like e did Jones s Jukebox toda , and he pla ed e o six eco ds I didnt kno hat the e e, and the e e ne eco ds, and the e e eall ood. Hes a eat disc jocke .

In the 80s, hen I came back to the States ith theP etende s, I as de astated hen I sa hat radio hadbecome. It had all become ery co porate, and he e ou had to o o ood radio as to o on colle e sta-tions. M unde standin no is that those colle e DJsa e oin mo e into independent radio stations, so allthat seems to be oin in the i ht di ection again, kindo comin back.

A: Is that hat B eak Up the Conc ete is about?CH: Oh, eah, totall . Its just about the hole a itsone. Tat son and that idea as bo n o tou in , andthats all oud see, just conc ete and ca s.

JW: Cracke Ba els.

CH: Ykno , he es the countryside? Whe es the land? Whe es the trains?

A: Yeah, the e ional di e ences ha e kinda e aporatedtoo, it seems like.

CH: otall .JW: Unbelie able. Its all C acke Ba els o Wa leHouses i ou e do n south.

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mentalist can put thei hand on thei heart and sa Iman en i onmentalist i the e not a egan. Finall thisconnection, and this is hats been makin me craz o ea s, amon st othe thin sthese en i onmentalists,the can talk een, the can talk a bi talk, but the onethin the eall can do to pull the plu and to start toheal the situation and ed ess the squande in o the o lds esou cesthe still ill pa someone to put abolt in one o those beauti ul animals heads, and callhimsel an en i onmentalist. Without the e eta ianthin , none o this is oin to be possible, cuz thats theutu e. And its the past. People sa [meat-eatin ] isho e e al a s done it, and thats just anothe lie.I ou bea in mind that little country called India, o example.

A: I kno ou e said in the past that ou dont like p o-motin eco ds, is that i ht?CH: Yeah, I e said that man times.A: And is part o that that ou dont like ma ketin ? O the son Te Nothin Make , thats such a beauti ul

son , a lo e son to a u ho doesnt make an thin ,and ho isnt d i en to emake the o ld in his o nima e.

CH: Yeah, thats exactl hat its about. Ykno , m thin is to make the eco d, and then I p omote it b oin onsta e ith the band and pla in it. hats allI ot into this o . I asnt tryin to p omote m sel , I asnt tryin to be somebod , I just anted to be in aband. he i st thin I said to m [ne ] eco d com-pan is, Im not doin an p ess. But, o cou se, then e made the eco d, and I think the eco d is orth o bein out the e, because I eall di the band, thechemistry, the hole thin , and I anna o out and tou .

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And the hole idea o m estaurant as to put it in thedo nto n a ea, to try to b in mo e li e into the do n-to n. It seems to me that Ak on sho s the a the t endis oin in the cities that lost thei industry and lost thei do nto n a eas, and hat happened ith mall cultu eand st ip malls and e erythin . Te es no etail do nthe e o an thin , and un ortunatel , the a the seem

to esto e most Ame ican cities no is b puttin up abaseball stadium in the do nto n a ea. All sports ba sand stu .A: Yeah, e en hen the es al ead a per ectl ood sta-dium to use.

CH: Usuall , eah. But the t end to independentthats h James and I a e out he e at the moment, e metthese eco d dist ibuto s. I dunno h , the eco d com-pan set it up. But these a e the eal music lo e s, hoha e independent eco d sto es, and e talked o a lon time, and e eall ot the imp ession that in l is eall comin back, tu ntables. And ou hole thin is to think small, and think in that small communit , because thats he e eat music has al a s been bo n. Ma be thin sa e also di e ent because o the inte net, and all that, Idont unde stand that so ell. But as a as communit ou kno , the eatest thin i ou e in a ock band isi the es some kind o a scene. In London, du in thosepunk da s, e eryone as in a band o tryin to et aband to ethe . And that makes ou eel, e en i ou eonl tra elin ith a e bands, its still like ou e in atra elin ci cus o a un ai o somethin .

A: Whats ou imp ession o the eco d industry theseda s? Ob iousl , the bi u s a e in some sort o t oublebecause o music do nloadin CH: Well, the e ent ery ast o the ma k hen allthat started chan in . I think the had a alse senseo ho the e e. And the kind o mone the e espendin on certain artists as so obscene, that the e

And I certainl ha e done man tou s on the back o a dud, he e ma be the eco ds e ent so ood; oune e kno hen the planets a e lined up i ht, it justhappens.

Tat as the idea [ o the H nde/Walbou ne p omotionaltou ], to just o into mainl , i possible, independentradio stations. We e done all sorts no I mean, e eonl been doin it o a couple o eeks, but just to oout to those, talk to the DJ, the pla a e eco ds and e do a couple son s li e. Cuz to me thats keepin iteal. And I also as a ictim o the 80s, and made somehideous ideos; e all kind o ot dra n into that.JW: Its eat hen ou can pla li e, like theReplacements o somethin , instead o pla in like, Idont kno , Stin o somethin . But, ou kno , thatsthe opposite

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A: So, James, ou e makin a solo eco d?

CH: E eryone that hea s James ants to o k ith him.Ste e Bin , ho sort o o e sees Shan i-La Reco dssaid, Well, hats his stu like? I said, I actuall ha ent hea d him m sel . And he oes, Well, I e seenhim pla , and I e hea d enou h ell si n him. Justlike that.A: A e ou sin in , too?JW: Yeah, me and m b othe Rob. We e tryin to dothe b othe thin sin in to ethe , kno .

A: Like the Delmo e B othe s, ha mon sin in ?

JW: Well, it aint the Delmo e B othe s, but e sin inou local pub e sin old E e l B othe s tunes, andtry to lea n to sin to ethe like that.A: Te es al a s somethin s eet about the sound o t o b othe s sin in to ethe .

JW: It is di e ent. It is eall ery di e ent. I dont kno hat to sa , its a di e ent thin .

A: You ot to o k ith Je ry Lee Le is hats helike?

JW: Hes eat, actuall , hes in eall eat o m. Hecame in e ery da on time, and eall enjo in it, kno ,cuz K is K isto e son as the e doin back ound ocals, and e had Ben Keith and Rick Rosas om Neil Youn s band pla , and then me and Kenn Lo elace ould pla to ethe , and Je ry Lee ould come and sitthe e and pla ead the l ics, and e did stu like

C ipple C eek, and Whiske Ri e . Hes just eat.Ten he ould pla House o Blue Li htsit as anamazin expe ience, and I as nervous as hell oin in. Hes one o m he oes, and e all kno the sto ies, kno . But he as nothin [like that], he as a s eetu , he as eat. It as a eat expe ience.

CH: I couldnt ait to see James hen he ot back, so I ent up to see him in Mus ell Hill, and I said, ell meabout it! And he oes, Well, at one point he said, Pick it o me, bo . And e e e like, Wo !!! And then thenext da he oes in and sa s hat did he sa ?JW: hen he comes up to me: James, I didnt meanan thin b callin ou bo .

[ eve ybody laughs ] I said, [ b ightly ] Oh, I dont mind!Fuckin ell, I can just stop pla in no , thats hat Ithou ht, eall . Amazin so eat.

CH: Ste e Bin b ou ht Je ry Lee to the Ak on Ci icheate hen I as openin the Ve e e anean, andthe tied it in ith some othe Ak on e ents in the do n-to n. And I said I eall need a bi name in the Ci icTeate o this, and Dan Mathe s, the ice p esidento the PE A o ganization, int oduced me to Ste e hen e e e pla in last ea ith ZZ op. So I kind o hadmet Ste e a little bit, and I could see that Ste e eall ot ock music. So I said to Dan, Please help me nd aceleb it , cuz m estaurants openin , and e e doin all this, and he comes back to me and oes, I spoke toSte e, and he said What about Je ry Lee Le is? And I as like WOW. So Je ry Lee and his hole band a i ed,pla ed about e son sit b ou ht the oo o o theCi ic Teate . E erybod as just blo n a a . It as thecoolest thin e e .

And that eall planted the seed o me, toothats henI started thinkin about this othe di ection, this othe sound I as oin to et. Tat happened e en be o e Imet James.

A: It makes me hope ul in a a . Ma be i eco dsbecome mo e about people independentl p oducin

one side, Nick on the othe side, and thats ne o me.Cuz I eel that m ole in the band is to set up the uita pla e , so I need a eal uita he o the e, kno , ho ants it. Who ants the i ls, ho ants theI dunno, hat do ou ant?

JW: Well done, ca ry on [ laughte ]. Nothin mo e to add.CH: What I ant out o it is that I look into the audienceand I can see in thei aces that the e lookin up at theband, not at me. I cant stand bein that much the ocalpoint o it. I anna ead e ie s he e the talk aboutthe uita pla e and the band. I cant stand it henits me. I it as just me and a uita , ou ne e ouldha e hea d o me. So hen I look in thei aces and Ican tell the e thinkin hat I used to think, he e ou look up at a band and ou think, Wo , that u isSO FUCKING COOL. Whe e i ou e e a uita pla e , oud anna be that uita pla e ; i ou e e a d um-me oud anna be that d umme . O at least oudthink, oh, that makes me anna et onsta e. Cuzthats the excitementthats the thin that W ecklessE ic said, its like a sec et bet een the audience and theper o me . Its a ery intimate thin .A: Althou h ou e ound up in a position he e ou eusuall pla in la e enues, i ht?

CH: Well, mainl because e e been supportin bi acts. But I anna put an end to that because I cant

stand thei cate in an mo e. I cant stand it! I cant ointo the cate in and ha e, like, ibs andI just cantdo it an mo e.

JW: I like clubs.

CH: Oh, the e eat.

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A: Te e a e ood acoustics in toilets.

CH: Not al a s, but the es a ibe.

A: Oh, ou mean clubs. I as ima inin like a iantbath oom ith tiles.

CH: Tat ould be per ect.

JW: No, the e a ul, toilet tou s. But its ood bein close to people, I like that.CH: It makes it mo e su p isin and di e ent o theband. You ha e to ha e to be able to see the audience.Its supposed to be a lau h, isnt it. You e not on displa to sho ou irtuosit .

JW: Unless ou e Sat iani, I uess. Yngwie Malmsteen.A: Did ou stud at Kent State? We e ou a studentthe e?

CH: I as a student the e.

A: but ou didnt stud ?

CH: Well, I studied, but I had m o n cu iculum. I as mo e stud in men and substances b the time Iot the e. I as a eal late de elope in some a easp obabl not in substances.

A: But ou e e the e hen the shootin happened?

[ On the Kent State campus in May o 1970, the NationalGua d ended a student p otest o the Vietnam Wa , andthe Nixon Administ ations ecent decision to extend thewa into the neut al count y o Cambodia, by opening eon demonst ato s. Fou people we e killed, nine wounded.C osby, Stills, Nash and Young immediately eco ded andeleased Neil Youngs Ohio in esponse to the massac e.

Richa d Nixon e e ed to the incident as the Kent Statething in his 1977 interiews with David F ost. ]CH: Uh-huh.A: I al a s onde ed i that had an thin to do ith oulea in the country.

CH: Not eall , no.

A: I ima ined it ould be ha d to t ust the US o e n-ment a e that.

CH: Well, I asnt particula l disillusioned, becauseI didnt ha e that man illusions. I anted to see the o ld; I didnt ant to bu a ca so I could et to o k to pa o m ca I could see that as onna be a bi trap. I thou ht it mi ht be nice to et out o Ohio cuzit had no do nto ns, no ibe, no he e to o. I lo edEn lish music. All m li e I as in lo e ith that En lish ibe, I as a eal An lophile. So, hen I as 22, I had

a bunch o di e ent jobs, and I t ied Kent State, and I as kind o han in in some c o ds o people that Ishouldnt ha e been messin a ound ith, and it aseelin like it as ettin a little dan e ous o me. And,

kno , I as dep essed. So I just thou ht He , lets oto En land.A: And ou just picked up and le ?

CH: Yeah, I had about 500 dolla s on me. I sa ed upsome mone and ent o e the e.A: Does Boots o Chinese Plastic ha e an thin to do ith D lans Boots o Spanish Leathe ?

CH: Yeah, its kind o a nod to that. And the a thin sha e chan ed, and Im pe sonall tryin not to p omoteleathe .A: Ri ht, the object o ou desi e ea s boots o Chineseplastic.

CH: Well, that son has all sorts o di e ent thin s init. Tese son s, I dont like to eall try to explain thembecause, kno , I dont kno hat its about. It has a i-ous philosophical [traditions]it uns th ou h Buddhism, Vaishna ism, Ch istianit and Islam. Someone asked me,Wh isnt Judaism ep esented? and I said, Well, themost amous Je in history is e e ed to, Jesus Ch ist. And that philosophicall the all ha e a lot in common ith each othe . Te Chinese plastic is a statement onthe p esent o ld, that e erythin s made in China, and e bu ou shoes at Pa less. Althou h, I ha e a niceassortment o Stella McCartne s. I am a ock sta , so

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JW: Ykno , its kind o one, isnt it, eall ?

CH: Well, its oin .

JW: Im not talkin about the Billboa d op en.

CH: Its slo l happenin , kno , this lo-

JW: I just made an album in a couple o eeks ithRic Menck om the Vel et C ush and Matthe S eetand Joe Pe nice om the Pe nice B othe s. We did itall ou sel es on a little ha d d i e thin , pla ed all theinst uments. Ykno , it costs nothin .

A: Tats i ht.

JW: You ha e to nd someone to put it out, I uess, still.O ma be not, but thats still he e it ets ha d.CH: Yeah, but at least people a e doin it that a .People a e su p ised that this P etende s album asmade in less than t o eeks, but that doesnt meanthat its just th o n to ethe . Te es a eat inte pla bet een the musicians and a eal ood chemistry.Te es a lot o o k and thou ht that ent into it, andit happened ast because it could.JW: We pla ed the son s o e in di e ent st les, justtryin to et the i ht eel.

CH: Te e e lea nin the son s.JW: Tat Rosalee one ent om bein a eall soone to, in the end, e erybod as so pissed o ith it,so at Keltne s count-o , E ic [He ood] came out iththat i and e did it. It as kind o o ganic like that.CH: We a era ed t o son s a da . Wed o in and ed sorta estle em to the oo . Wed come back and ed all listen. I as the onl one in m head, eall , soI ould ma be sa No no no no no no no, this is all on . Cuz no one quite kne . And I didnt ha e an notes o an thin , it as done so quickl . Like on B eak

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