property talk october 2012
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A House’s
Story
Hunting for the past of yourhome and property
A talk for Avondale Library, 21 September 2011
by Lisa J Truttman
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This is 1 Canal Road, Avondale.
Property files and LIM reports from Auckland Council
As at 7 October 2012 (prices sighted on website)
Property file on CD: $30 - $98, depending on whetherordered personally or via internet, and whether urgent ornon-urgent.
LIM (Land Information Memorandum):
►Urgent service - $355► Standard service - $255
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What is included in a LIM?► A LIM provides some or all of the following:
► information on special land features or characteristics including potentialerosion, inundation, hazardous contaminants etc. known to the Council
► information on private and public stormwater and sewerage drains asshown in Auckland Council's records
► information relating to any rates owing in relation to the land
► details of approved permits and consents
► details of operative and proposed zoning, road widening, height restrictions,view and tree protection, and any Historic Places Trust listing
The LIM may also include other information concerning the land which AucklandCouncil considers, at its discretion, to be relevant.
But …
If you don’t want all that, if you just want to get anidea …
►How old the house is …►Who owned it, and what did they do …
►Who lived there, and what did they do …
Here’s what you can try, and possibly save money.
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Books on New Zealand early
architecture help to identifyapproximate periods when housesmay have been built on theiroriginal sites.
Old New Zealand Houses 1840- 1940 by Jeremy Salmond includesinformation on two-roomed andfour-roomed cottages, villas,transitional villas, and bungalows,amongst others.
I would expect 1 Canal Road todate from sometime between 1870and 1910. Further information onthe property would be required tonarrow this down, or confirm/refutethe assumption.
Where is it?
To find street address, and find legaldescription, certificate of title reference …
Go to local council GIS webpages
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GIS sites
►Geographic Information System
►Territorial authorities around the country(but not yet all of them) have GIS pagesand program on their websites for freepublic use
timespanner.blogspot.com
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GIS sitesNorth Island
Far North Maps
Whangarei District Council GIS Maps
Auckland Council GIS Viewer
Environment Waikato Maps:Go to Districts tab, select, and it will take you there.
Bay of Plenty Regional Council Maps
GIS sitesNorth Island
Gisborne District Council Map TV
Taranaki Regional Xplorer
Palmerston North Geo Guide
Wanganui District Council Exponare
Porirua City Council
Wellington City Council maps
Kapiti Coast District Council Map Images
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GIS sitesSouth Island
Tasman District: Top of the South Maps
Marlborough District Council: Dekho Maps
Environment Canterbury (Canterbury Regional Council)
Dunedin City Council webmaps
Queenstown Lakes District Council maps
Invercargill City Council Xplorer
Auckland Council website
If you know the exact address:
http://www.aucklandcouncil.govt.nz
then go to Rates and Property Search on themenu.
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Auckland Council website’s GISviewer
If you don’t know the exact address:
http://www.aucklandcouncil.govt.nz
then enter “GIS viewer” in the search bar
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1 Canal Road, Avondale
CT = 398398 (Digitised title)
Legal Description: Lot 1 DP 399911
2008
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2006
1959
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1940
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Land Information New Zealandhttp://www.linz.govt.nz/survey-titles/land-titles-plans
(From LINZ website):
Land titles and plans are the most commonly requested types of land records. Landtitles may also be called computer registers, Certificates of Title, CTs or property titles.
To order a copy of a land title or plan you need to:• Know what type you need
• Check the costs• Identify the land district
• Get the reference• Fill out the form
• View your TIFF or JPG files(if receiving records electronically)
Land Information New ZealandSearch Fees
Title Searches …
subdivision plans …
viewing documents such as application files …
transfers…
leases …
mortgages (current, and only up to 10 years old if discharged) …
$15.
Per document or instrument.
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Land Information New ZealandTitle Searches
When ordering titles, ALWAYS ask for “historical searchcopy”, even when requesting the current version.
The default title given on request is simply the front page,which provides few details. Historical search copy willprovide a scan of the older handwritten version, pre-digital
system.
A title with numbers only as a reference is a digital title only,with no historical image until you request the previous title.
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1927 – Alice Ohomenes, wife of Frank Ohomenes, master mariner
1937 – John Worstenholm Shearer,land agent
1941 – John Deakin Shearer & Arnold Clayton Newcomb
1970 – Borge Thomsen, panel
beater from Helensville2000 – Karl-Heinz Schradt
Watch for “transmission” usedinstead of “transfer” – denoteschange of owner after a death.
1887 – Richard Beck, gentleman,from Mt Albert
1899 – Joseph May, Waiuku, andJames Alexander Pond, analyticalchemist, Auckland
1899 – Albert Knight, gardener, Avondale
1907 – Alice Ohomenes
Titles show land was subdivided in1927, from ½ acre to ¼ acre. Otherpiece (rear) sold to Charles Lincoln.
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DP 847, the originalsubdivision of 142acres byJohn Bollard of Avondale
Records at Archives New Zealand
The old Auckland Provincial District – held at Auckland office, Archives New Zealand, 95 Richard Pearse Drive, Mangere
Archwaywww.archway.archives.govt.nz/
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In Archway …
Go to Advanced Search …
Records …
Enter A1660 for Accession reference
And deeds volume forRecord reference
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Who lived there in the past?
Reference 2-V450, Sir George Grey Special Collections
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Who was
Richard Beck (1887 owner)? Clippings from Papers Past
Died 21 February 1899
Who was Albert Knight (1899 owner) ?
William Knight (c1866-1933) lived on Rosebank Road by around February 1896,and was a gardener. (Auckland Star notices) Albert Knight appears to have been ason of his.
In 1899, Albert Knight appears in the papers – the year he buys 1 Canal Road.
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Who was Captain Francis Ohomenes(owner from 1907) ?
So, the question is: how old could the house be?
Hawera & Normanby Times , 21 July 1922
He was a gardener as well, with prize-winning kumaras. Possibly naturalised asearly as the 1870s. Boats owned by the family were, like his Avondale property, inthe name of his wife Alice (d.1934). Wises Directory for 1915 shows both theOhomenes and Albert Knight living along the same part of Rosebank Road.
http://www.aucklandcouncil.govt.nz/councilarchives
Phone (09) 307 7792
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• 1908 City of Auckland map• Burgess Rolls for the City of Auckland 1872-1873, 1882-1984 and 1890-
1992• Cemetery & burial records for Otahuhu and Waikaraka• Property and rates books for Parnel (1873-1875)l, Mt Albert (1867-1884)
and Auckland Ciity (1880)• Bicycle & Bootblack Register 1910-1918• Auckland City Council Engineers Department Register of Employees 1901-
1930•
City of Auckland Licensing District Register of Applicants 1901-1920• Lock Hospital Register Book 1883-1886• Publicans' Licences 1900-1962• Register of Licences: Drivers, Porters, Carriages, Carters 1895-1899• Valuation rolls: Eden Terrace (1883-1903), Karangahape district (1882-
1883), Orakei (1912, 1920), Otahuhu (1886-1908), Parnell (1897-1901),Ponsonby (1882-1883), Remuera (1898-1901), Tamaki West (1920),Newton (1886-1888)
• Auckland City Council Wage Book for Men in Service in World War I 1916-1919
• War Memorials and Honour Boards
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1905-1906 Avondale Rates Book
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Relatives of the family have comeforward since I first presented this talk
and confirmed that Albert Knight hadthe house at 1 Canal Road built in the1890s.
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Council valuation field sheets► Available to view at Council Archives
►The old Auckland City has comprehensivecoverage, but is restricted by time (from1912 at the earliest) and date of amalgamation of each area (Avondale, forexample, became part of the City in 1927)
► Varying amounts of information for otherroad board/borough areas
Mt Eden Borough Council
MEB 155 Valuation Rolls (from 1913) Valuation rolls list valuation number, occupier, name and address, descriptionand situation of property, owners name and address, and rateable value. Listsare in order by street names.
Mt Roskill Road Board / BoroughCouncil
MRB 112 Rate books (from 1915)Series contains rate books which records valuation roll number, occupiers nameand address, description of property, unimproved rateable value, consolidatedrate, water, refuse collection, and sanitation fees, and total. Rates are groupedby street name.In 1974 the Mount Roskill Borough Council converted to a computerised ratingsystem and annual printouts were not kept.
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Auckland City Council Valuation
field sheets
Hip-roofed villa
Weatherboard, iron roof
Approximately 50 years old as at 1945(estimate by valuer)
Outbuildings: garage, wash house
Subsequent building permits:4/3/1949 £80 to erect laundry
1 Canal Road is a corner site, with thehouse facing Rosebank Road, so could havefound on either file for Canal Road or file forRosebank Road. I found it under50 Rosebank Road. Later, it wasrenumbered to 136 Rosebank Road, andlater still, 1 Canal Road.
Watch for this happening with lists like postaldirectories over time.
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Auckland Council
Archivesaperture cards
andproperty plans
Property area conversions
For those of you from the metric age:
40 cubic perches = 1 rood
4 roods = 1 acre
I prefer to keep the old system of acres/roods/perches in place when writingabout property history, but you can convertto metric square metres, hectares etc onvarious websites, such as this one:
http://www.millarmerrigan.com.au/tool-kit
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Currency value conversions
Time and again I see histories where thewriter, seeing that someone was paid, forexample, 5 shillings a day in 1890, simply
either converts that straight to decimalcurrency (50 cents) or doubles it to $1.
Both methods are incorrect.
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Currency value conversionsThe government told you in 1967 that 2 shillings
became 20 cents, but that is the only time thevalues were like that.
Use an inflation calculator, such as the one
provided by the Reserve Bank on their website:
http://www.rbnz.govt.nz/statistics/0135595.html
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Other leads / sources► Aperture Card collection, Central Auckland Research Centre, Auckland Library
► Postal directories: Wises, Leightons, Cleaves. Central Auckland ResearchCentre, Auckland War Memorial Museum Library have volumes and microfiche.
► Valuation rolls, some held in Council archives, most in Archives NZ
► Local historical societies, local histories, names and cemetery databases
► Historic photographs: Sir George Grey Special Collections, National Library inWellington, Auckland War Memorial Museum Library.
► Newspapers, especially the increasing (and most welcome!) coverage onPapers Past.
Thank you
for listening.My email: