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Quantum TimeJohn Ashmead

Quantize time using rules for space, …see what breaks.www.timeandquantummechanics.com [email protected]

4th Feynman Festival, Olomouc 2009

Saturday, December 12, 2009

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`Clearly,' the Time Traveller proceeded, `anyreal body must have extension in four directions: it must have Length, Breadth, Thickness, and--Duration. But through a natural infirmity of the flesh, which I will explain to you in a moment, we incline to overlook this fact. There are really four dimensions, three which we call the three planes of Space, and a fourth, Time. There is, however, a tendency to draw an unreal distinction between the former three dimensions and the latter, because it happens that our consciousness moves intermittently in one direction along the latter from the beginning to the end of our lives.'

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Block universe

Evolving universeSaturday, December 12, 2009

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Galilean Light

If light is going at speed “c” in the first frame,how fast is it going in the primed frame?

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Michelson-morley Expt

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Relativity

• speed of light constant

• laws of physics the same for all observers*

*but definition of simultaneity may differ!

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Relativity

• time and space mix’d: on way into a black hole, they even change places

• block universe naturally static: 80+ pages to define an evolving time.

“Henceforth space by itself, and time by itself, are doomed to fade away into mere shadows, and only a kind of union of the two will preserve an independent reality.” -- Minkowski

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without quantum

mechanics,atoms don’t

exist!

Introducing Quantum TheoryMcEvoy & Zarate

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Quantum mechanics

• space is fuzzy

• time is a parameter

• we build the wave function at the next time instant based on the wave function at the current

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But I canna change the laws of physics, Captain!

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How to combine?

• Strings

• Loop quantum gravity

• Lots of others

All are new physics

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This is often the way it is in physics - our mistake is not that we take our theories too seriously, but that we do not take them seriously enough. It is always hard to realize that these numbers and equations we play with at our desks have something to do with the real world. Even worse, there often seems to be a general agreement that certain phenomena are just not fit subjects for respectable theoretical and experimental effort.-- Steven Weinberg

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Laboratory time

What clocks measure

τ

x

y

ξτx( )

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Quantum wave function

-4 -2 2 4

-1

-0.75

-0.5

-0.25

0.25

0.5

0.75

1

real

imag

inar

y

! t( ) = e" it " 1

e

#$%

&'(e

"1

2

t2

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Quantum time

τ

x

y ψτ t, x( )future

past

present

? ξτx( )

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Relative and absolute quantum time

Berne

Zurich

ψ 0 t0 ,

x( )

ψ 1 t1,

x( )

ψ 2 t2 ,

x( )

ψ 3 t3,

x( )

ψ 4 t4 ,

x( )

ψ 5 t5 ,

x( )

t ≡ tτ + τ

x ≡ xτ − xτ

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Path integralsx

!0 !16

Dx d4xn

n=1

n=N

KT ′′xµ; ′xν( ) = Dx exp −i dτL xµ ,

dxµdτ

⎡⎣⎢

⎤⎦⎥dτ

0

T

∫⎛

⎝⎜⎞

⎠⎟∫

ε ≡ TN

Feynman & Hibbs, Quantum Mechanics and Path Integrals, 1965

ψ T ′′t , ′′x( ) = d ′t d′x KT ′′t , ′′x ; ′t , ′x( )ψ 0 ′t , ′x( )∫

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small & large dimensions

• trip measured in kilometers

• wave function measured in nanometers

• “real” x is total of large and small

• Now, what happens if we take this position for time???

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Double slit

We choose to examine a phenomenon which is impossible, absolutely impossible, to explain in any classical way, and which has in it the heart of quantum mechanics. In reality, it contains the only mystery. We cannot make the mystery go away by 'explaining' how it works. We will just tell you how it works. In telling you how it works we will have told you about the basic peculiarities of all quantum mechanics. - - Feynman

Quantum: A guide for the perplexed -- Al-KhaliliSaturday, December 12, 2009

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double slit experiment

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path integrals

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Feynman diagrams

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Geodesic time

Integrate over observers at

successive times

O3

O2

O1

O0

!p3

!p2

!p1

!p0

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almost no change

• path integrals add sum over paths in time to sum over paths in space

• just 4/3 more algebra

• and a few technical complications which I will not distress you with

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did you break anything

• internal contradictions?

• consistent in appropriate limits?

• should it have been seen already?

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• thanks to a subtlety of relativistic mechanics, the average trajectory is identical for both quantum time & regular time

• quantum time packets do spread more in time

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beam & apparatus must change

• have to send a beam which is changing in time

• through a gate which is open and closed

• normally, we let beams settle down, but now it is fiddly bits at the ends we are interested in

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why bound states?

• Bohr rule: fits evenly around the atom

• what is “fits evenly” in time?

• But only those orbits which “fit evenly” add coherently

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mass is measure of width in time

• larger is wider

• for electrons, is 10 to the -21st seconds (zeptoseconds)

• for photons is zero (so you can’t find effect using only photons)

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coherent interference

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Experimental tests

• Perhaps 300 experiments in Auletta alone

• Interchange time and a space dimension, get a test of quantum time

• We look at a few here

G. Auletta, Foundations and Interpretation of Quantum Mechanics: In the Light of a Critical-Historical Analysis of the Problems and of a Synthesis of the Results,2000

S. K. Lamoreaux, A Review of the Experimental Tests of Quantum Mechanics,1992

P. Ghose, Testing quantum mechanics on new ground,1999

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Single slit in laboratory time

G = exp −τG − τG( )22σG

2

⎝⎜

⎠⎟

p = mLτ

ξ̂τ p( ) = 1πσ̂1

24 exp −p − p( )22σ̂1

2 − ip2

2mτ − i m

⎝⎜

⎠⎟

ξ̂D pD( ) = 12πσ̂1

24 exp −pD − P( )22σ̂G

2 −pD − p( )22σ̂1

2

⎝⎜

⎠⎟ exp −i

pD2

2mτ

⎛⎝⎜

⎞⎠⎟

σ̂G2 ≡

σG2 p2

τG2

σ̂1eff( )2 ≡

σ̂G2 σ̂1

2

σ̂G2 + σ̂1

2

x

!G

p

!D

Gate Detector

LG

LD

στ2 =

τD2

p2σ̂1

eff( )2

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And in quantum time

x

!G

p

!D

Gate Detector

LG

LD

χ0 t0 , p( ) = 1πσ 0

24 exp −iEpt0 −t02

2σ 02

⎛⎝⎜

⎞⎠⎟

ρτ t( ) = 1πσ t

2exp −

t −τ( )2σ t2

⎝⎜

⎠⎟

χD tD , p( ) = 1πσ 0

24 exp −iEptD −tD2

2σ 02 1− i τD

mσ 02

⎛⎝⎜

⎞⎠⎟

− imτD

⎜⎜⎜⎜

⎟⎟⎟⎟

σ t2 =

σG2σ 0

2

σG2 +σ 0

2 +1m2

1σ 02 +

1σG2

⎛⎝⎜

⎞⎠⎟τD2 +

σ̂12

p2τD2

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Double slit in time

exp −iEt( ) = exp −i m2 + p2 t( ) = exp −imt − ip2

2mt

⎛⎝⎜

⎞⎠⎟

exp ip2

2mτ

⎛⎝⎜

⎞⎠⎟

t →τ

x

!G

p

!D

Gates Detector

"#1D

= mL2

2tD1

"#D 2

= mL2

2tD 2

"#21

= $m!p2

2"t

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Aharonov-Bohm experiment

x

y

Magneticfield

Solenoid

left path

right path

source

No magnetic field

!"!!"

detector

Δφ = ie dτ x ⋅A x τ( )( )

′τ

′′τ

Aharonov & Bohm, Significance of Electromagnetic Potentials in the Quantum Theory PR 115 p485-491, 1959

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Aharonov-Bohm in time

x

!t

!" #DD

C #C

A

B

V = "V = 0

t

Δφ = ie dτ tΦ x τ( )( )′τ

′′τ

′τ

′′τ

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Lindner’s double slit in time

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Short photon pulse acts like two gates

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review of requirements

• well-defined

• symmetric between time and space

• consistent with known

• testable

• reasonably simple

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uses

• fun with time

• 300+ experiments

• starting point for quantum gravity

• covert transmissions

• quantum computers

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Quantum TimeJohn Ashmead

www.timeandquantummechanics.com [email protected]

idψτ x( )dτ

= −E − eΦ x( )( )2

2m+p − e

A x( )( )22m

+m2

⎝⎜⎜

⎠⎟⎟ψτ x( )

Kτ ′′x ; ′x( ) = Dx exp −i mxj − x j−1( )22εj=1

N +1

∑ − ie x j − x j−1( ) A xj( ) + A xj−1( )2

− im2τ

⎝⎜⎜

⎠⎟⎟∫

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thanks!• Miriam Kelly

• Jonathan Smith

• Ferne Welch

• Graham & Gaylord Ashmead

• Linda Kalb

• Stewart Personick

• Fred Herz

• Host of quasi-willing ears

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• The End of Time - Julian Barbour

• Time Travel in Einstein’s Universe - J. Richard Gott

• Physics of the Impossible - Michio Kaku

• Time Traveler - Ronald L. Mallett

• Time’s Arrow & Archimedes’ Point - Huw Price

• Timeless Reality - Victor J. Stenger

• The New Time Travelers - David Toomey

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