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Ramses, Cleopatra, Nefertiti:

Original Egyptians Were Black? NAIRALAND NIGERIAN FORUMS

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A NAIRALAND NIGERIAN FORUM DISCUSSION 07

i asked an arab egyptian boy at school about black people being the real Egyptians and he told

me that has not been proved yet and it is still a contentious claim and not yet accepted by their

government, (what rubbish!!!!! ) please does anyone have the answers??

ibis:

to the best of my knowledge, the original Egyptians ie the great pharaohs who brought us the

great Egyptian civilization, hieroglyphics etc where black people. this is stuff the west is so

tripped about and flock into Egypt to see every day, and the arabs who are now who we know as

the "egyptians" are busy takin all the glory

It is absolutely true that the ancient pharaohs were black, however this goes against the grain of

stereotype so dont expect whites and arabs to believe you when you say so even when the

Egyptians themselves recorded this fact both in vivid paintings, hieroglyphics,, mummies and

sculptures.

Cleopatra is the only one who i think still remains contentious as there are conflicting theories

about her race. All the other pharaohs were black.

There is one thing everyone is clear on - the ancient Egyptians were NOT arab! The so-called

arab part of Egypt is confined to urban centers like Cairo and Alexandria - other areas reveal

ancient Egypts black history.

Re: Ramses, Cleopatra, Nefertiti: Original Egyptians Were Black? by toshmann(m): 3:11pm On

Oct 03, 2007

@david

source pls

Re: Ramses, Cleopatra, Nefertiti: Original Egyptians Were Black? by Jen33(m): 9:56pm On Oct

03, 2007

Toshmann did you REALLY ask for a 'source'??

Well, here are sources of various kinds, not just one. Happy reading and viewing!

Ancient Egyptian ethnographic "mural of the races" found in the tomb of Rameses III -

Monuments from Egypt and Ethiopia by Karl Richard Lepsius (German: "Denkmaler aus

Agypten und Athiopian" . French Egyptologist Champollion found similar murals in other

royal tombs.

Left to right are the Egyptian, the Semite, Other Africans, and last the 'Nahasu' (barbarian)

(white caucasian).

http://www.nairaland.com/82638/ramses-cleopatra-nefertiti-original-egyptians#1553111

http://www.nairaland.com/toshmann


http://www.nairaland.com/jen33


Black Africa in the ancient world was called Ethiopia.

"One Picture is worth more than ten thousand words." - Chinese Proverb

Catechism: "The Egyptians called their country Kemet or Black country."

Here's what the Ancient Egyptian language has to say (Ref: EHD, page 787b.):

Note: words inside brackets are the determinatives or word classifiers along with

their English meanings.

Kem, kame, kmi, kmem, kmom = to be black

Kememu = Black people (Ancient Egyptians) in both Ancient and modern

Egyptian (Kmemou).

Kem [khet][wood] = extremely black, jet-black

Kemet = any black thing. Note: "t" is silent - pronounced Kemé

Kemet [nu][community, settlement, nation] = Black nation = Ancient Egypt.

Kemet [Romé][people] = Black people. Ancient Egyptians.


King Tutunkahamun (found in his tomb)


Queen Tiye (King Tut's mother)

Kemit [Shoit][books] = Black books, Ancient Egyptian literature.

Kem wer [miri][large body of water] = The Great Black sea (The Red sea). This sea is neither

black nor red, this is in reference to which nation, Black or Red, at a particular time, controlled

this body of water.

(Interestingly, the ancient Egyptian word for water (miri) is the same used by Igbos (miri), and

similar to Yorubas (o-mi).

Many other such linguistic connections abound.

Kemi fer = Black double house; seat of government. Note: by reference to Wolof again, we

know that to make a plural of per or house, the "p" becomes an "f" or fer. Thus fero=great houses

(double), it is not pero as Budge writes.


In Ancient Egyptian, the ordinary adjective always follows the noun it modifies, whereas a

sanctified adjective usually comes before its noun. The sanctified adjectives are:

Kem -- Black

Suten - Royal

Nter --- Holy, Sacred

Examples:

Kem ti = Black image, sacred image : ti oubash = white image

Kem ho = Black face/title of a god : ho oubash = white face

Kem ta = Black land, holy land : Ta deshret = Red land (also; Ta Sett)

Nefertiti. This was the result of an experiment by British experts who inputed the skull remains

of the ancient queen into a cutting edge computer program to reproduce a version of her original

features.

Reportedly, the British experts nearly fell of their chairs in shock when the computer produced

the image above.

According to the Ancient Egyptians, the second Egyptian ruling ethnic/class's ancestral

homeland was Punt (Somalia). They referred to this land as "Ta Nteru" ('Land of the gods'). To

emphasize their Puntite origins, the Egyptians portrayed the Puntites in the exact same manner in

which they portrayed themselves.

This new ruling ethnic/class called themselves "Mesnitu" ('Metalw

workers/blacksmiths'), and was also referred to as "Shemsu Hor" ('Followers of Horus').

These Mesnitu had overthrown the original ruling ethnic/class, the Anu (those belonging to

Osiris's ethnic group; and yes, Osiris was a real life personage), who had previously established

its domination over all of Egypt through military conquest and political unification. Their place

of origin was "Ta Seti" ('Land of the Bow') in the Sudan. Gradually tradition would identify both

Somalia and the Sudan as "Ta Khent" ('Land of the Beginning' or 'Ancestral land').

The answers to the questions "Where did the Ancient Egyptians come from?" or "What race

were the Ancient Egyptians?" have already been given centuries ago, by the Ancient Egyptians

themselves.


It isn't a surprise, however, that such relevant information on Ancient Egypt by the Ancient

Egyptians themselves, is never mentioned in contemporary books about Ancient Egypt.

Just in case the Ancient Egyptians were confused or possibly mistaken as to what they were, here

are some observations from,

The Ancient Chronicles

The KJV Bible

And the sons of Ham; Cush (Nubia), and Mizraim (Egypt), and Phut (East Africa), and Canaan

(Palestine). And Cush begat Nimrod: he began to be a mighty one in the earth. He was a mighty

hunter before the LORD: wherefore it is said, even as Nimrod the mighty hunter before the

LORD. And the beginning of his kingdom was Babel, and Erech, and Accad, and Calneh, in the

land of Shinar. Genesis 10:6-10

And they (the sons of Judah upon entering Canaan) found fat pasture and good, and the land

was wide, and quiet, and peaceable; for they of Ham had dwelt there of old. I Chronicles 4:40

Israel also came into Egypt; and Jacob sojourned in the land of Ham, They forgat God their

saviour, which had done great things in Egypt; wondrous works in the land of Ham, and terrible

things by the Red Sea. Psalms 105:23, 106:21-22

And the lord said, like as my servant Isaiah hath walked Unclad and barefoot three years for a

sign and wonder upon Egypt and upon Ethiopia. For I am the LORD thy God, the Holy One of

Israel, thy saviour: I gave Egypt for thy ransom, Ethiopia and Seba for thee. Isaiah 20:3, 43:3

And the sword shall come upon Egypt, and great pain shall be in Ethiopia, when the slain shall

fall in Egypt, and they shall take away her multitude, and her foundations shall be broken

down. Ezekial 30:4

(Pharaoh's daughter) I am black, and comely, O ye daughters of Jerusalem, as the tents of

Kedar, as the curtains of Solomon. Song of Solomon 1

Ethiopia and Egypt were her strength and it was infinite. Nahum 3:9

Kebra Nagast (Ethiopian bible - "The Glory of Kings"

Solomon has taken a wife not of his color, who is moreover black, for he has married the

daughter of Pharaoh.


The Greek Chronicles

Herodotus (Called 'The father of history' by western historians.

Origins of the Oracle of Dodona

At Dodona, however, the priestesses who deliver the oracles have a different version of the story:

two black doves, they say, flew away from Thebes in Egypt, and one of them alighted at Dodona,

the other in Libya (Africa), The story which the people of Dodona tell about the doves came, I

should say, from the fact that the women were foreigners, whose language sounded to them like

the twittering of birds, As to the bird being black, they merely signify by this that the woman was

Egyptian. -book II

Colchians are of Egyptian Descent

But it is undoubtedly a fact that the Colchians are of Egyptian descent, My own idea on the

subject was based on the fact that they have black skins and wooly hair, and secondly, and more

especially, on the fact that the Colchians, the Egyptians, and the Ethiopians are the only races

which from ancient times have practiced circumcision. -book II

Aristotle

''Those who are too black are cowards, like for instance, the Egyptians and Ethiopians. But

those who are excessively white are also cowards as can be seen from the example of women, the

complexion of courage is between the two -Physiognomy'' 6

Diodorus of Sicily

Origins of the Egyptians

''The Ethiopians say that the Egyptians are one of their colonies, which was led into Egypt by

Osiris. They claim that at the beginning of the world Egypt was simply a sea but that the Nile,

carrying down vast quantities of loam from Ethiopia in its flood waters, finally filled it in and

made it part of the continent, They add that the Egyptians have received from them, as from

authors and their ancestors, the greater part of their laws.'' -Universal History, book III

Colossi of Memnon

These are two colossal seated statues of Pharaoh Amenhotep III in western Thebes. At dawn, the

northern statue emitted a whistling sound. Ancient Greeks who visited the statue called it the

'vocal Memnon', thinking the figure represented the Homeric character Memnon, singing to his

mother Eos, the goddess of the dawn.

Memnon was an Ethiopian king who went to troy to help Priam, his uncle, and was killed by

Achilles.


To the Ancient Greeks; Egyptian - Ethiopian - same thing.

Ancient clues found in Egypt:

(I sure know whites or 'arabs' don't use these)

When visiting Egypt today, this is what we see of The Sphinx of Giza.

This is what Vivant Denon saw in 1798 before the Sphinx was defaced.

"Israel also came into Egypt, the land of Ham." (Psalm 105: 23).


Pharoah Menkaure (Third Dynasty)


King Usekafe


Egyptian priest


Man from Old Kingdom


Egyptian priest 2nd dynasty


King Nyamare Amenhemet (2nd Dynasty)


Pharoah Hotepsekhami


Pharoah Djoser


Queen Hatshepshu


Pharoah Peri Anku IVth


Rameses II


King Amenehmet III ''The dreadlocked Pharaoh''.

Toshmann, if you need more ''sources'', let me know!

One last thing. Because of the western/arab conspiracy to shield the truth of the African nature of

Ancient Egypt, you will notice that many of the statues have their noses chiselled off, or sawn

off. But the stubbornly negroid base of the noses displays the truth.

Many of the practices of the Egyptians which western historians term ''strange'' are actually

African customs. Circumcision, the divinity of kings, matrilineal succession, bride price, pouring

of libation, festivals, naming ceremonies, elaborate burials, to name a few.

Of course if you look around the world, who are the only people who practise these things in

their entirety till today, not black Africans?


Egypt fell to foreign hands first with the invasion of the Greeks, led by Alexander 'The Great',

who sacked the country and had thousands of Africans migrating southwards. This is why many

traditions in West Africa ascribe a Nile Valley origin of one form or another to their histories.

Many African groups have the tradition of having migrated from the land of the great river,

Following Alexander's conquest in 30 BC, Ptolemy, the Greek, became ruler of Egypt.

By then the pyramids were already ancient relics, having been constructed between 5000 to 2000

BC.

So you may find recent Greek like sculptures of 'Egyptian' aristocrats, such as Cleopatra, but

these are from what is known as the Late Period, starting from a few years BC, when Egypt had

fallen under Greek rule.

Then in 600AD, Egypt was overrun by Arabs, leading to further emigration of blacks

southwards.

It is believed by Yorubas that this was the period Oduduwa led his people down to Nigeria, to

escape the Islamic hordes bent on converting them away from their religion,

This is why Cairo, Alexandra etc today are Arab cities, with no real connection to the history of

the place.

And this is why outside of those two cities even today in Egypt, you're more or less in black

Africa.

Re: Ramses, Cleopatra, Nefertiti: Original Egyptians Were Black? by davidylan(m): 11:00pm

On Oct 03, 2007

Thanks Jen33, the obvious clue lies in the systematic defacing of the noses of most of the

sculptures in existence today including the sphinx.

Re: Ramses, Cleopatra, Nefertiti: Original Egyptians Were Black? by toshmann(m): 11:34pm

On Oct 03, 2007

@jen33

you win

@david

knowledge can only improve when shared. now i know better. asking for source wasn't to insult

ur intergrity but to get me better informed


http://www.nairaland.com/davidylan


http://www.nairaland.com/toshmann


by the way. . . . .king tut was black?

was he not the "boy king" who ruled from age 9- age 18 or so? was he black? chei, BBC don kill

me. i watched a documentary on king tut and they showed a whitey

Re: Ramses, Cleopatra, Nefertiti: Original Egyptians Were Black? by davidylan(m): 12:20am

On Oct 04, 2007

toshmann:

@david

knowledge can only improve when shared. now i know better. asking for source wasn't to insult

your intergrity but to get me better informed

Nah, i didnt take it that way. i was thinking it would take me ages to start showing u proof until

Jen33 helped me out. no offence taken at all. I first saw most of my proof on Discovery channel

documentaries on King Tut, Tutankhamen and Queen Nefertiti.

toshmann:

by the way. . . . .king tut was black?

was he not the "boy king" who ruled from age 9- age 18 or so? was he black? chei, BBC don kill

me. i watched a documentary on king tut and they showed a whitey

Of course the bust made of King Tut depicts a white man. Ancient Egyptian sculptures and

hieroglyphics however contradicts that.

Re: Ramses, Cleopatra, Nefertiti: Original Egyptians Were Black? by beneli(m): 12:04pm On

Oct 04, 2007

I think its about time our intellectuals became more interested in getting some of this kind of

stuff out to a wider audience. Because this is the only way we can start re-engineering the

mindset of our people.

You see, as long as the majority of our people continues to believe the errors about our ancient

history, which our detractors want us to believe, then we will continue with the kind of primitive

and embarrasing intranecine bitching that we prefer to engage in.

We have become the laughing stock of every other race as we continue to trudge along,

generation after generation, under the oppressive weight of the slave mentality that has gripped

us for many centuries. And which will keep us as the defeated people that our detractors want us

to remain.

Guys! our ancestors built the Pyramids and the Sphinx and gave birth to a civilization which

others have so passionately tried to erase from the memory of mankinds history, and almost




http://www.nairaland.com/beneli


succeeded.

Ancient Egypt is a testament to what we have been and what we can be.

Think about it.

Think about what an internalising of such truth can do to the psyche of our leaders. Think about

what it would do to the mentality of the youth in the ghettos of shame where our detractors try to

subjugate us to once we come to them in search of the crumbs from their benevolent colonial

tables; Colonial tables of those who have so tried to efface us.

Think about it.

And don't you now see how it can transform us and why the world would prefer for us to see

ourselves only the way they want us to be seen; as victims of slavery and colonisation born out

of their "altruistic" desire to set us free from our self-destructive savagery?

Methinks that this is the kind of stuff that those who are responsible for developing the

educational curricula in our schools back home should start finding ways to teach our children;

And let them who make movies start developing scripts, which tell of our proud past, let those

who write tell these stories because no one else will do it for us.

Our detractors may call it propaganda or whatever they wish:

I would prefer to call it what it is; the renaissance of the race who gave the world the Pharohs.

Re: Ramses, Cleopatra, Nefertiti: Original Egyptians Were Black? by Jen33(m): 5:15am On Oct

05, 2007

Well spoken, beneli.

Re: Ramses, Cleopatra, Nefertiti: Original Egyptians Were Black? by Horus(m): 10:59am On

Oct 05, 2007


http://www.nairaland.com/jen33


http://www.nairaland.com/horus


Mummy of Maihirpre

In March, 1899 (exactly one year after his discovery of the cache tomb of Amenhotep II) Victor

Loret ordered his workmen to make a series of sondages in an area of the Valley of the Kings


(Egypt)between the tombs of Tuthmosis I (KV 38) and Amenhotep II (KV 35.) He eventually

uncovered a shaft, approximately twenty six feet deep, with a small chamber cut into one side.

Loret descended the shaft, entered the chamber, and made another remarkable find: the first

essentially intact tomb ever found in the Valley of the Kings. Inscriptional evidence indicated

that the small tomb (KV 36) belonged to a man named Maihirpre. His funerary equipment

constituted the most complete assemblage of such objects found in the Valley up to that time,

and would remain so until Theodore Davis discovered the tomb of Yuya and Tuyu in 1905.

Obviously of 18'th Dynasty derivation, the exact date of the burial is still disputed, and

evidence from the tomb can lend support to several different dating schemes. A linen wrapping

found on Maihirpre's mummy bears the cartouche of Hatshepsut. Influenced by the presence of

this cartouche, Steindorff speculated that Maihirpre might have been a companion of Tuthmosis

I, Hatshepsut's father. Quibell also based his conclusions on the Hatshepsut cartouche (as well as

on pottery considerations) but argued that the tomb should be dated to the time of Tuthmosis III,

and Daressy accepted Quibell's dating in his Fouilles. Today, some researchers believe that the

linen wrapping with the Hatshepsut cartouche was a kind of antique, old in Maihirpre's lifetime,

because other objects in KV 36 clearly point to periods later than that of the female Pharaoh. One

of these, a beautiful glass vase, has been dated to the reign of Amenhotep II on stylistic grounds.

In his 1908 Guide to the Cairo Museum, Gaston Maspero also dates Maihirpre's burial to the

reign of Amenhotep II, a view which was shared by Hayes, G. E. Smith, and Cyril Aldred.

However, Maspero changed his mind in the 1915 edition of his Guide, in which he dated KV 36

to the time of Amenhotep III, a date which was also accepted by Rex Engelbach. Maspero

probably based his view on a consideration of the box and loincloths of Maihirpre found along

with a fragmentary box of Amenhotep III in 1902 by Howard Carter. Maihirpre's coffins,

sarcophagus and canopic equipment (see below) bear a close stylistic resemblance to the

funerary ensemble of Yuya and Tuyu, and would also seem to derive from sometime during the

reign of Amenhotep III. C. N. Reeves dates KV 36 to the time of Tuthmosis IV, a view also held

by Alfred Lucas and his reviser, J. R. Harris.

Never properly published by Loret, the only account of the discovery written while the objects

were still in situ within KV 36 was penned by Georg Schweinfurth, a botanist, and appeared in

the popular German magazine Vossische Zeitung on May 25, 1899. Three years later, Georges

Daressy published photographic plates of the mummy and the tomb's contents in his Catalogue

General des Antiquites Egyptiennes du Musee du Caire: Fouilles de la Vallee des Rois ([Cairo,

1902,] pp. 281-298) and this long out of print book has remained the only extensive

photographic record of the find ever published. Unless otherwise indicated, the photographs of

Maihirpre and his funerary equipment used on this website are from Daressy's work. They

provide a valuable visual record of an important Egyptological discovery that has been largely

forgotten by the general public today.

Maihirpre's mummy (Pictures) was found resting in a nested set of two coffins contained within

a large rectangular wooden sarcophagus. Schweinfurth reported that thieves had removed some

of the bandages from the mummy, and his statement was confirmed by Daressy, who added the

detail that large sections of bandages had been cut with a sharp instrument which had been


applied with particular force to the bandages of the legs. Reeves dates this illicit activity in

Maihirpre's tomb to the Ramesside period based on the evidence of 20'th Dynasty ostraca found

in the vicinity of KV 36 by Howard Carter in 1902.

In spite of its ill-treatment by tomb robbers, Maihirpre's mummy retained its cartonnage

mummy mask and still had about a dozen different articles of jewelry in place among the tattered

bandages or lying loose in the coffin. Among these were bracelets, collars, plaques, and a scarab.

The embalming incision was still covered with a plain gold plate which the thieves had also

managed to miss.

The mummy itself, which was unwrapped on March 22, 1901, was very well preserved.

According to Daressy, Maihirpre was a young man when he died, probably not much over 20

years of age. Dennis Forbes reminds us that Daressy was not a trained anatomist and that his

estimate of Maihirpre's age at death is "certainly not expert opinion." However, it seems evident

that Maihirpre was far from being elderly. The fact that his teeth are only mildly worn is a good

indication of a young age at death. The ancient Egyptian practice of mixing grain with sand and

grit in order to aid the grinding process produced a kind of bread that was dentally abrasive and

able to wear down the teeth in relatively short order.

Maihirpre's mummy measures 5 feet, 4.75 inches and his skin is dark brown. Daressy believed

that this skin color is not the result of chemical reactions with the embalming materials, and most

writers contend the Maihirpre was at least part Nubian. The curly hair which is so visibly

prominent on the mummy's head would initially seem to confirm Maihirpre's Nubian ancestry.

Maihirpre's ears were pierced, and he was uncircumcised. No wounds or obvious signs of illness

appear on his body that might help to indicate the cause of his death, but, as Dennis Forbes

points out, Maihirpre has never been examined by an experienced anatomist. The skin was

missing on the soles of his feet, but this probably occurred during the embalming process.

Maihirpre bore several important titles. He was referred to as a "child of the k3p," a title

normally used to designate a foreign prince who had been raised from an early age in Egypt. This

practice, which came into vogue during the New Kingdom, helped to cultivate a sense of loyalty

toward Egypt in the children of vassal-state rulers. He also bore the important title "fanbearer to

the king" and was one of the earliest people to hold this designation. Dennis Forbes points out

that this title was often held by the Viceroy of Kush himself. Maspero speculated that Maihirpre

may have been the son of Tuthmosis IV or Amenhotep III and a Nubian concubine, but no hard

inscriptional evidence supports this. It is hard to imagine a son of the Pharaoh, even by a lesser

concubine, who would not unambiguously proclaim his half-royal parentage in one of his

personal titles.

Source-1: http://www.geocities.com/royalmummies/Maihirpre/Maihirpre.htm

Source-2: http://cuip.uchicago.edu/~jhawkins/1999/Ancientmummies.html

Source-3: http://www.homestead.com/wysinger/maiherperi.html


Oct 12, 2007

http://www.geocities.com/royalmummies/Maihirpre/Maihirpre.htm

http://cuip.uchicago.edu/~jhawkins/1999/Ancientmummies.html

http://www.homestead.com/wysinger/maiherperi.html




King Tutankhamun

King Tutankhamun

Some of you have seen this before I'm sure, and for those that haven't, that is the face of King

Tutankhamun. It's[b] NOT[/b] an artistic representation, but rather a complete reconstruction


based on his physical remains using SCIENTIFIC METHODS.

That means they used his bone structure, ethnicity and many other factors to create a[b]

REALISTIC [/b]depiction of what he looked like in life.

Also, this work was the collaboration of Scientists from America and Europe.

You can find out how they did it here:

http://www.sciencemuseum.org.uk/antenna/tutankhamun/

Re: Ramses, Cleopatra, Nefertiti: Original Egyptians Were Black? by naija_diva(f): 7:55pm On

Oct 12, 2007

i dont' care what anyone says, egyptians are black. just because they are light doesn't mean a

thing. black comes in all shades.

Re: Ramses, Cleopatra, Nefertiti: Original Egyptians Were Black? by davidylan(m): 9:16pm On

Oct 12, 2007

the Egyptians painted themselves as very dark in complexion, it is those who are uncomfortable

with the facts that the black race may have been the most powerful race on earth at a time they

were still hunting animals with sticks and living in nearderthal caves who struggle so hard to

give the Egyptians lighter skin tones.


Oct 14, 2007

King Tutankhamun and Ankhesenamon

Source: http://www.homestead.com/wysinger/kingtutankhamunshine.html

Re: Ramses, Cleopatra, Nefertiti: Original Egyptians Were Black? by ibis: 8:32pm On Oct 15,

2007

the world tries to make it seem black people only excel in sports and music etc but not

intellectually.

Great brains were behind egypt!!!!!!!!!!

Re: Ramses, Cleopatra, Nefertiti: Original Egyptians Were Black? by Ndipe(m): 9:52pm On Oct

30, 2007

Ironically, Egyptians dont regard themselves as black.


On Oct 30, 2007

Ndipe:

Ironically, Egyptians don't regard themselves as black.

http://www.sciencemuseum.org.uk/antenna/tutankhamun/


http://www.nairaland.com/naija_diva





http://www.homestead.com/wysinger/kingtutankhamunshine.html


http://www.nairaland.com/ibis


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The real Egyptians were not arabs. Those presently calling themselves pharaohs today are

impostors and offspring of the arabs who invaded most of black north africa after the rise of

islam. Beyond Cairo and Alexandria you could as well be any place in Subsaharan africa . . . the

rest of Egypt is populated by blacks. Ever heard of the coptic christians?

Re: Ramses, Cleopatra, Nefertiti: Original Egyptians Were Black? by Ndipe(m): 10:47pm On

Oct 30, 2007

Does the title "Pharoh' still exists in Egypt, or does it?


On Oct 30, 2007

The Egyptian national soccer team is known as the pharaohs.

Re: Ramses, Cleopatra, Nefertiti: Original Egyptians Were Black? by Ndipe(m): 11:53pm On

Oct 30, 2007

Living in the past, can you blame the? Which African leader's, (past or present) last name can be

equated with the Pharoh title?

Nkrumah? Mandela?

Re: Ramses, Cleopatra, Nefertiti: Original Egyptians Were Black? by Horus(m): 12:06pm On

Oct 31, 2007

This image shows a computer reconstruction

of what is believed to be the face of Nefertiti.

Could this be the profile of Nefertiti?

By Tim Friend, USA TODAY

Is this Nefertiti? Two months ago, a team of Egyptologists led by British scientist Joann Fletcher

of the University of York announced that a neglected mummy collecting dust in a nondescript

tomb was actually that of ancient Egypt's most famous female ruler.

In an effort to confirm her identity, two British experts have applied their forensic skills to digital

X-rays of the skull.

Neither Damian Schofield of Nottingham University nor Martin Evison of Sheffield University

knew in advance the identity of their "victim." They specialize in reconstructing human faces

from skulls for murder cases in which the victim is unknown.

Schofield and Evison created a 3-D computer mesh of the skull, then placed a series of markers

to designate where tissue would be added. Next, they added facial muscles to give the face its

full depth and contour. Finally, a graphic artist added skin texture, eye color, lips and the crown.

Schofield and Evison say the reconstruction does not prove the skull belongs to Nefertiti. But

they were surprised at the similarities with Nefertiti's bust, which was made during her lifetime










and is displayed at the Egyptian Museum in Berlin.

Says Fletcher: "I was bowled over by it, to be honest. The face is that of a very strong individual

indeed. She has such a beautiful profile. She is stunning."

Nefertiti's image is one of the most popular today from ancient Egypt. But the real queen was

hated by Egyptian society after her reign ended. An unusually powerful queen, she reigned with

her husband, Akhenaten, who ruled from 1352 to 1336 B.C., during the late 18th dynasty.

Nefertiti may have ruled as pharaoh for three years after his death.

Nefertiti vanished from Egyptian history with no trace of a royal tomb or evidence of a burial.

Source: http://www.usatoday.com/news/science/2003-08-12-nefertiti-usat_x.htm

Re: Ramses, Cleopatra, Nefertiti: Original Egyptians Were Black? by goodbobo: 12:08pm On

Nov 01, 2007

The white world have succedded in making we blacks feel that we are not any force to recorn

with when it comes to intelligence and creativity and the honest but painful truth is that so many

of us believe that . I have a black american friend who just came to Nigeria to spend 3 weeks .

she was so suprised at what she saw . she said over there in the US they were told all sorts of

unbelievable things about africa . she said they were told that on the street of lagos , people go

about begging on the street , lots of starvation and acute poverty . That lagos is very very unsafe

that u can hardly go out . But to her greatest amazement , she enjoyed every bit of her stay in

Lagos .

All the great brains that are black are never reported nor celebrated . Do u know that our own

computer genius Philip Emagweile is one of the greatest brains that worked the surface of the

earth but we only know his cos he is nigerian but who many people worldwide know him they

way other great brains are all known . The truth is , not even the asains can stand the kind of

brains we have . The asians have only been so successful today cos they were able to build on

existing technology . How many discoveries or creations have they been able to make

themselves .There is even another very very great brain i just found out . His name is Dr. Mark

Dean , a black man

u can read more about him here :

"America's High Tech "Invisible Man"

By Tyrone D. Taborn

You may not have heard of Dr. Mark Dean. And you aren't alone. But almost everything in your

life has been affected by his work.

See, Dr. Mark Dean is a Ph.D. from Stanford University. He is in theNational Hall of Inventors.

He has more than 30 patents pending. He is a vice president with IBM. Oh, yeah. And he is also

the architect of the modern-day personal computer. Dr. Dean holds three of the original nine

patents on the computer that all PCs are based upon. And, Dr. Mark Dean is an African

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American.

So how is! it that we can celebrate the 20th anniversary of the IBM personal computer without

reading or hearing a single word about him? Given all of the pressure mass media are under

about negative portrayals of African Americans on television and in print, you would think it

would be a slam dunk to highlight someone like Dr. Dean.

Somehow, though, we have managed to miss the shot. History is cruel when it comes to telling

the stories of African Americans. Dr. Dean isn't the first Black inventor to be overlooked

Consider John Stanard, inventor of the refrigerator, George Sampson, creator of the clothes

dryer,

Alexander Miles and his elevator, Lewis Latimer and the electric lamp.

All of these inventors share two things:

One, they changed the landscape of our society; and, two, society relegated them to the footnotes

of history. Hopefully, Dr. Mark Dean won't go away as quietly as they did. He certainly

shouldn't. Dr. Dean helped start a Digital Revolution that created people like Microsoft's Bill

Gates and Dell Computer's Michael Dell. Millions of jobs in information technology can be

traced back directly to ! Dr. Dean.

More important, stories like Dr. Mark Dean's should serve as inspiration for African-American

children. Already victims of the "Digital Divide" and failing school systems, young, Black kids

might embrace technology with more enthusiasm! if they knew someone like Dr. Dean already

was leading the way.

Although technically Dr. Dean can't be credited with creating thecomputer -- that is left to Alan

Turing, a pioneering 20th-century English mathematician, widely considered to be the father of

modern computer science -- Dr. Dean rightly deserves to take a bow for the machine we use

today. The computer really wasn't practical for home or small business use until he came along,

leading a team that developed the interior architecture (ISA systems! bus) that enables multiple

devices, such as modems and printers, to be connected to personal computers.

In other words, because of Dr. Dean, the PC became a part of our daily lives. For most of us,

changing the face of society would have been enough. But not for Dr. Dean, Still in his early

forties, he has! a lot of inventing left in him.

He recently made history again by leading the design team responsible for creating the first 1-

gigahertz processor chip, It's just another huge step in making computers faster and smaller. As

the world congratulates itself for the new Digital Age brought on by the personal computer, we

need to guarantee that the African-American story is part of the hoopla surrounding the most

stunning technological advance the world has ever seen, We cannot afford to let Dr. Mark Dean

become a footnote in history. He is well worth his own history book.


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Re: Ramses, Cleopatra, Nefertiti: Original Egyptians Were Black? by naijaking1: 9:18am On

Nov 03, 2007

Very interesting, I watched the director of Egyptian mesuem argue hopelessly about how they

are neither blacl nor white, but Egyptians.

He must be trying to follow his government official position on the issue.


Nov 03, 2007

when white peoples visit Egypt today, the locals immediately recognize them as Khawaaga or

foreigners. On the other hand, African Americans [/b]traveling in Egypt are very often

mistaken for [b]native Egyptians, and are usually referred to as Masri or Egyptians. That is

because, The simple truth is that Egypt is, and always has been a black African nation. Once you

leave the great Arab cities of Cairo and Alexandria, and go into the Nile valley, you are in black

Africa. Now, Egypt has been ruled by an Arab minority since the 9th century A.D., a minority

that is extremely sensitive to race, and one which behaves in the manner chided by Ahmed Ben

Bella, the late president of Algeria - "We (Arabs) have been in Africa for 1200 years, and yet we

still behave as colonialists."This Arab minority control the images you see on television about

Egypt.

Source: http://www.geocities.com/wally_mo/mod_egyptians.html

Young Black Egyptian, Mostafa

Black Egyptian musician, Upper Egypt

Black Egyptian driver, Luxor

Source: http://www.geocities.com/wally_mo/mod_egyptians.html

Re: Ramses, Cleopatra, Nefertiti: Original Egyptians Were Black? by ereyomi: 4:14pm On Sep

04, 2009

thanks for keeping us all informed guys and also very excellent research work. i am definately

proud to be an african!!!.


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Re: Ramses, Cleopatra, Nefertiti: Original Egyptians Were Black? by agathamari(f): 3:34pm On

Sep 05, 2009

i, as well as most children in the US were always taught that eqyptians were/are black. not until i

got to nigeria and was told by numerous nigerians that anyone north of the sahara is not black or

african which confuses me because its on the african continent and therefor would technicaly be

african no? even teh face of africa compitition is for people from subsaharan africa. very odd.

Re: Ramses, Cleopatra, Nefertiti: Original Egyptians Were Black? by Wrex(m): 11:20am On

Feb 20, 2010

Thanks guys for this wonderful info.I am really proud to be an african

Re: Ramses, Cleopatra, Nefertiti: Original Egyptians Were Black? by ezeagu(m): 3:24pm On

Feb 21, 2010

hehe.

Re: Ramses, Cleopatra, Nefertiti: Original Egyptians Were Black? by pleep(m): 3:10am On Feb

22, 2011

cleopatra and most of the pharoes after alexander the great conquered eygpt were not even

eygptians they were greek.

but I know for a fact that the early, true eygptian pharoes where black. nefertiti, and most

egyptian women, for example were completly bald. they mostly wore wool wigs. kinda reminds


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you of african women today no? haha

Re: Ramses, Cleopatra, Nefertiti: Original Egyptians Were Black? by amor4ce(m): 8:07am On

Feb 28, 2011

Imagine what blacks can accomplish if our intelligence was restored. If the past

accomplishments were on the dark side, them we probably deserved what we got We can try

again but this time without divisions like one group claiming to be superior to others.

I've also wondered why nations of the Nile except arab Egypt+Sudan have allowed the latter to

dominate the use of the Nile and let them use their dams to cover/hide/bury Nubian treasures

with water (http://english.aljazeera.net/news/africa/2010/05/2010519183943413127.html).

Here's another resource from National Geographic titled "The Black Pharaohs"

http://ngm.nationalgeographic.com/2008/02/black-pharaohs/robert-draper-text/2

Re: Ramses, Cleopatra, Nefertiti: Original Egyptians Were Black? by adejimota: 5:31am On

Mar 02, 2011

This thread is enlightening

Re: Ramses, Cleopatra, Nefertiti: Original Egyptians Were Black? by vivaladiva(f): 5:52am On

Mar 02, 2011

ok so aunty cleo and uncle ramses were black ehen-----seriously this is pathetic----when black

africans arent interested in archeology or ancient history----when i mean interested i mean going

there n diging up n collecting artefacts and evidence, learning ancient languages n translating

them---- not just gobbling up some crap on the internet put there to make some delluded black

people feel good about themselves-----how many black africans can read the egyptian hyroglifics

(thank mankind for google), how many black africans even go to egypt---not to hussle but purely

out of interest-----oh plsssssssssssss

even if the egyptians where black so bloody fu-ck wat----is that the stimulus we need to make us

sit straight and act right, shiiiiit that was 4000 years ago

wat happened to our history from just 500, 400, 300,200 years ago----where is it documented by

black africans that we can read today and not feel that is tainted by western subjective opinions--

--una think say na by black black---black dey n black sef dey, even if they were blacks, they

clearly had a culture of documenting things that i dont think blacks of west africa were ever

interested in doing,


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http://english.aljazeera.net/news/africa/2010/05/2010519183943413127.html

http://ngm.nationalgeographic.com/2008/02/black-pharaohs/robert-draper-text/2


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