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Rationality questions concerning Poncelet’sclosure theorem

Jaap Top

Bernoulli Institute & DIAMANT

June 19th, 2018

(math colloquium, Groningen)

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Jean-Victor Poncelet

(1788–1867)

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1812-1814 Poncelet was prisoner of war in Russia

During this time he wrote texts (7 notebooks) on projective

geometry, published in 1862

But already in 1822 he published a book loosely based on his

notebooks

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pictures from the 1822 book:

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Definition: consider a polygon with sides

`1, `2, . . . , `n

and vertices

P1 = `n ∩ `1, P2 = `1 ∩ `2, . . . , Pn = `n−1 ∩ `n.

It is called “Poncelet figure ” if conics C,D exist such that all

Pj ∈ C and all `j tangent to D.

It is called “trivial Poncelet figure ” if moreover either n = 2k−2

is even and Pk ∈ C ∩D, or n = 2k− 1 is odd and `k is tangent to

both D and C.

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Theorem. Given smooth conics C 6= D. If a nontrivial Ponceletfigure using C,D exists and consisting of n vertices, then forevery P ∈ C there is one having P as vertex. If it is nontrivialthen it also has exactly n vertices.

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Poncelet’s “proof” led to disputes, but Jacobi (1828, using el-

liptic functions) published in Crelle a new and complete proof:

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Carl Gustav Jacob Jacobi (1804–1851)

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• The result has consequences for discrete integrable systems(“QRT-maps”, book by Duistermaat), and to “billiard balltrajectories on an elliptical table”:

(picture by Alfonso Sorrentino)

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• In 1976 Phillip A. Griffiths published a purely algebraic geo-

metric proof of Poncelet’s result (“Variations on a theorem

of Abel”)

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• aim of today’s talk: show how the algebraic geometric ap-proach motivates number theoretic questions.

• For this, we first sketch the proof by Griffiths;

• next, we show how over Q it naturally leads to a reformulationof a famous result on torsion points of elliptic curves;

• then we “turn the proof around” and construct examplesstarting from an elliptic curve with a given torsion point;

• finally we show that the proposed reformulation of the torsionpoints result is in a sense more general. . .

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joint work with Johan Los and Tiemar Mepschen (bachelor’s

projects), Majken Roelfszema (master’s project), and Nurdagul

Anbar

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Sketch of proof. Given conics C,D ⊂ P2 .

Lines ` ⊂ P2 tangent to D are the points of the “dual conic” D∨.

In this way

X := {(P, `) : P ∈ C, ` tangent to D, P ∈ `}

defines an algebraic curve embedded in C ×D∨.

Throughout, we restrict to the general case, namely where C

and D intersect without multiplicities (hence in 4 points).

The curve X comes with additional structure:

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The morphism X → C given by (P, `) 7→ P has degree 2: for

almost all P , there are precisely 2 lines `, `′ containing P and

tangent to D.

The morphism X → D∨ given by (P, `) 7→ ` also has degree 2:

almost all tangent lines ` to D at Q intersect C in precisely two

points P, P ′.

The two involutions of X given by, respectively, τ : (P, `)↔ (P, `′)and σ: (P, `) ↔ (P ′, `) each have 4 fixpoints (since we assume

#C ∩D = 4).

Hence X has genus 1, comes with two involutions, and the quo-

tient by any of them has genus 0.

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Fixing any point on X, it becomes an elliptic curve E.

Having as quotient a curve of genus 0, the involutions must be

given as τ :x 7→ x1 − x resp. σ:x 7→ x2 − x for certain x1, x2 ∈ E.

The composition τσ therefore equals x 7→ (x1−x2)+x, translation

over x1 − x2 ∈ E.

If a Poncelet figure with edges `j and vertices Pj would exist for

C,D, then τσ acts as

(P1, `1) 7→ (P2, `2) 7→ . . . 7→ (Pn, `n) 7→ (P1, `1),

so (στ)n = id. This implies the closure theorem!

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Now number theory, which means we take C,D (and hence X

and the involutions σ, τ) defined over Q.

Natural questions:

1. What are the possibilities for ord(στ) i this case?

2. Starting from an elliptic curve E/Q with a rational point of

order n, how to obtain a Poncelet figure with n vertices and

C,D over Q from it?

3. Construct, given a possible n, an example X/Q with X(Q) = ∅and ord(στ) = n.

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1. What are, over Q, the possibilities for ord(στ)?

Thm. Given X/Q of genus 1, and involutions σ, τ ∈ AutQ(X)

such that n := ord(στ) <∞. Then n ∈ {1,2,3,4,5,6,7,8,9,10,12}.

The proof uses the “jacobian” of X/Q plus a famous 1977 result

by Barry Mazur.

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2. Obtain Poncelet figures over Q from an E/Q?

Construction: Start with E/Q with rational points t and p, and

t of exact order n.

Aim: rewrite as a curve X as earlier, coming from conics C,D

over Q, such that the sets {ap+mt : 1 ≤ m ≤ n} correspond to

Poncelet figures {(Pm, `m) ∈ X(Q) : 1 ≤ m ≤ n}.

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Example: elliptic curve E with point t = (0,0) of order 5

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Start: put E : y2 + uxy + vy = x3 + vx2 and t = (0,0) ∈ E.

E is an elliptic curve; in particular, an abelian group.

Involutions on E: σ: p 7→ −p and τ : p 7→ t − p; composition τσ is

translation over t.

Quotient by σ is E → P1 given by (x, y) 7→ c := x.

Quotient by τ is E → P1 given by (x, y) 7→ b := (y + v)/x.

Then b, c satisfy b2c+ ubc− vb− c2 − vc− uv = 0.

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Now turn this into a curve X ⊂ C ×D∨:

First use b to parametrize a conic C, say

b 7→ Pb :=

(b2 − 1

b2 + 1,

2b

b2 + 1

).

Next we construct rational functions α(c), β(c) such that the

lines `c : y = α(c)x+ β(c) are the points of a dual conic D∨:

The desired condition Pb ∈ `c should come from the equation

b2c+ ubc− vb− c2 − vc− uv = 0 we found.

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This works if one puts

α(c) =c2 + vc+ c+ uv

v − uc, β(c) =

c2 + vc− c+ uv

uc− v.

The corresponding lines `c are tangent to the conic D (enveloping

curve) given by

(v2 + 2v + 1− 4uv)x2 + (2uv + 2u+ 4v)xy + u2y2

+(8uv − 2v2 + 2)x+ (2u− 2uv + 4v)y= 4uv − v2 + 2v − 1.

This finishes the construction!

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Example. (n = 9)

E : y2 − 47xy − 624y = x3 − 624x2.

In this case t = (0,0) ∈ E has order 9 and

p := (−6,90) ∈ E has infinite order.

Hence this yields Poncelet figures with 9 vertices, all Q-rational.

Explicitly, with C : x2 + y2 = 1 and D given by

270817x2 + 56066xy + 2209y2 = 544126x+ 61246y − 273313,

one obtains from (p + mt)m≥1 on E the Poncelet figure with

points . . .

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(3960/3961,89/3961)↓

(3843/3845,124/3845)↓

(2952/2977,−385/2977)↓

(17472/17497,935/17497)↓

(24/25,7/25)↓

(1155/1157,68/1157)↓

(12/13,5/13)↓

(39456/39505,1967/39505)↓

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Many similar examples, including ones with points in a fieldQ(√m) and up to 18 vertices, are in the bachelor’s theses of

Johan and of Tiemar, and in our paper:

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3. Examples over Q with X(Q) = ∅ and στ of given order n.

(This is part of the master’s project of Majken Roelfszema.)

First attempt: find Poncelet figures with n vertices, starting from

two circles C : x2 + y2 = 1 and D : (x − δ)2 + y2 = ρ defined

over Q.

So need δ, ρ ∈ Q such that this results in Poncelet figures with

precisely n vertices, and such that moreover X(Q) = ∅.

Some 18th(!!!) century literature helps here . . . . . .

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(Classical) Thm. C : x2 + y2 = 1 and D : (x − δ)2 + y2 = ρ

yield a Poncelet figure with n ∈ {3,4,6,8} vertices if and only if

n=3:

ρ =(δ2 − 1)2

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n=4:

ρ =(δ2 − 1)2

2(δ2 + 1)

n=6:

ρ =(δ2 − 1)2

4δ2

n=8:

ρ =(δ2 − 1)2

The n = 3 case was shown in 1746 by William Chapple, and versions of the

other cases appeared in two papers (1797 and 1802) by Nicolaus Fuss.

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Using the (standard) rational parametrization of the circle C, the

curve X turns out to be birational to the one given by

y2 = (x2 + 1) · ((δ2 − ρ+ 1)x2 + 4δx− δ2 + ρ− 1) · ρ.

The involutions σ, τ act on this model as well; Chapple and Fuss

in fact provide necessary and sufficient conditions on δ, ρ such

that any divisor P − σ(τ(P )) on X is torsion of order n. This

observation leads to a simple modern proof.

Given δ, ρ ∈ Q, one readily decides using the above model whether

X(Qp) = ∅ for some prime p (or even X(R) = ∅).

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Example n = 3

C : x2 + y2 = 1

D : (x− 2)2 + y2 = 94

X can be written as

y2 = (x2 +1) ·(

9916x

2 − 18x+ 9916

)Then X(Q2) = ∅, hence also

X(Q) is empty.

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Example n=6

C : x2 + y2 = 1

D :(x− 1

2

)2+ y2 = 9

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Here, same X as above.

So X(Q) = ∅ and AutQ(X) con-

tains a dihedral group of order 6

as well as one or order 12 . . .

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Example n=5

C : x2 + y2 = 1

D : (x− 3)2 + (y − 1)2 = 8116

X:

y2 = (x2 +1) ·(63x2 − 192x+ 127

),

X(Q2) = ∅, so again no rational

points over Q.

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Example n=10

C : x2 + y2 = 1

D :(x− 3

10

)2+(y − 1

10

)2= 81

160

Here same X as n = 5 example,

So AutQ(X) contains a dihedral

group of order 10 as well as one

or order 20 . . .

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The given examples motivate and illustrate a small result:

Proposition: Let C,D be conics over Q such that the corre-

sponding X/Q and σ, τ ∈ AutQ(X) satisfy ord(στ) = n is odd.

If C and D have an axis of symmetry in common, and this axis is

defined over Q, then there are also involutions σ′, τ ′ ∈ AutQ(X)

such that σ′τ ′ has order 2n.

(An algebraic proof in the special case of two circles is due to

B. Mirman (2012). We present a geometric argument here :)

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Idea of proof:

Let µ denote reflection in the

common symmetry axis. Then

µ ∈ AutQ(X) has fixed points,

and commutes with σ and τ .

Hence σµ “is” translation over

a point of order 2.

So because n is odd, the com-

position (σµ)(στ) has order 2n.

This finishes the proof.

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Corollary. A Poncelet figure of odd order n ≥ 7 coming from

conics C,D over Q which have an axis of symmetry defined over

Q in common, does not exist.

Proof. Indeed, using the proposition, the Jacobian of the associ-

ated genus 1 curve X would be an elliptic curve E/Q, containing

a rational torsion point of order 2n ≥ 14. This is impossible by

Mazur’s 1977 theorem.

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So to obtain an “order 7 or order 9 example over Q” we need to

avoid the symmetry that the earlier examples have.

Example n=7:

C : y = x2

D : x2 − 23xy + 1

13y2 = −52

81

This results in

X : y2 = 1053x4 − 9126x3 + 13689x2 + 8788.

In this case X(Q13) = ∅, hence in particular there are no Q-

rational points.

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To conclude, by searching in some families of pairs C,D, and

also by ‘twisting’ appropriate examples, we constructed X/Q of

genus 1 with X(Q) = ∅, admitting involutions σ, τ ∈ AutQ(X)

such that ord(στ) = n, for each n ∈ {1,2,3,4,5,6,7,8,10,12}.

Remaining challenge:

what about the only case left, namely n = 9??, i.e.,

Find X/Q of genus one with X(Q) = ∅ and AutQ(X) containing

a dihedral group of order 18 . . .

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