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Multimedia Roundtable 3
A discussion with community and team members
Hosted at Wikimania 2013:Room M108
08/08/2013
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10:00 am - Introductions
10:15 am - Overview & goals
10:45 am - New feature ideas
11:45 am - Multimedia priorities
12:00 pm - Roundtable ends
* All times above are Hong Kong local time (UTC+8)
Roundtable Etherpad:epl.wikimedia.org/p/multimedia-roundtable-3
Roundtable agenda
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• Your real name
• Your user name
• Your country
• When you joined
Add your user name on Roundtable Etherpad:epl.wikimedia.org/p/multimedia-roundtable-3
Introductions
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Community members:
Susanna Ånäs
Jean-Frédéric Berthelot
Maarten Dammers
Benoît Evellin
Andrew Gray
Andrew Lih
Daniel Mietchen
Daniel Schwen
… and others
Participants
Susannaanas
Jean-Frédéric
Multichill
Trizek
Andrew Gray
Andrew Lih
Daniel Mietchen
Dschwen
(see next page)
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Participants
Wikimedia team:
Fabrice Florin Fabrice Florin (WMF)
Mark Holmquist MarkTraceur
Ryan Kaldari Kaldari
Rob Lanphier RobLa-WMF
Erik Moeller Eloquence
Luis Villa LVilla (WMF)
See more participants on Etherpad:
epl.wikimedia.org/p/multimedia-roundtable-3
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Overview
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View
Contribute
Curate
Use
Engage
Multimedia workflows
find / view media files
create / upload files / info
review, discuss, edit
insert media in articles, projects
organize media campaigns
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View
Contribute
Curate
Use
Engage
Activities by user group
~500M visitors
~20k uploaders
~1k patrollers/admins
~80k active editors
~30 campaign organizers
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Insert mediaUpload Sparrow
...
...
Spar.jpg
Multimedia Map - WorKflows by user group
gallery/list
Wikipedia~ 800k files
Commons~ 17M files
articlefile info
watchlist
Watchlist1. ...2. ...
campaign
Wiki Loves Birds
Big birds
log / new / search
New files* abc* def
upload
search
Search1. ...2. ...
uploaded100%
~ 385k files/mo.
category
Birds of
overwritten11%
~ 42k files/mo.
deleted8%
~ 31k files/mo.
categorized?
overwrite deletecategorize
Contributors~ 20k / month
visual editor
use
media viewer
used~ 40%?estimate
share
= pain point
= minor flow
edit
tagged?
tagdiscuss
edited?
TOOLS
PAGES
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Insert mediaSparrow......
Spar.jpg
Multimedia Map - WorKflows by user group
gallery/list
Wikipedia~ 800k files
Commons~ 17M files
articlefile info
watchlist
Watchlist1. ...2. ...
Big birds
search
Search1. ...2. ...
uploaded100%
~ 385k files/mo.
category
Birds of
overwritten11%
~ 42k files/mo.
deleted8%
~ 31k files/mo.
categorized?
overwrite deletecategorize
Curators~ 1k / month
visual editor
use
media viewer
used~ 40%?estimate
share
= pain point
= minor flow
edit
tagged?
tagdiscuss
edited?
TOOLS
Upload
campaign
Wiki Loves Birds
upload
PAGES
log / new / search
New files* abc* def
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Insert mediaUpload Sparrow
...
...
Spar.jpg
Multimedia Map - WorKflows by user group
gallery/list
Wikipedia~ 800k files
Commons~ 17M files
articlefile info
watchlist
Watchlist1. ...2. ...
campaign
Wiki Loves Birds
Big birds
upload
search
Search1. ...2. ...
uploaded100%
~ 385k files/mo.
category
Birds of
overwritten11%
~ 42k files/mo.
deleted8%
~ 31k files/mo.
categorized?
overwrite deletecategorize
visual editor
use
media viewer
used~ 40%?estimate
share
= pain point
= minor flow
Editors~ 80k / month
edit
tagged?
tagdiscuss
edited?
TOOLS
PAGES
log / new / search
New files* abc* def
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Insert mediaUpload Sparrow
...
...
Spar.jpg
Multimedia Map - WorKflows by user group
gallery/list
Wikipedia~ 800k files
Commons~ 17M files
articlefile info
watchlist
Watchlist1. ...2. ...
campaign
Wiki Loves Birds
Big birds
upload
search
Search1. ...2. ...
uploaded100%
~ 385k files/mo.
category
Birds of
overwritten11%
~ 42k files/mo.
deleted8%
~ 31k files/mo.
categorized?
overwrite deletecategorize
Readers~ 500M / month
visual editor
use
media viewer
used~ 40%?estimate
share
= pain point
= minor flow
edit
tagged?
tagdiscuss
edited?
TOOLS
PAGES
log / new / search
New files* abc* def
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Insert mediaUpload Sparrow
...
...
Spar.jpg
Multimedia Map - WorKflows by user group
gallery/list
Wikipedia~ 800k files
Commons~ 17M files
articlefile info
watchlist
Watchlist1. ...2. ...
campaign
Wiki Loves Birds
Big birds
upload
search
Search1. ...2. ...
uploaded100%
~ 385k files/mo.
category
Birds of
overwritten11%
~ 42k files/mo.
deleted8%
~ 31k files/mo.
categorized?
overwrite deletecategorize
Contributors~ 20k / month
Curators~ 1k / month
Readers~ 500M / month
visual editor
use
media viewer
used~ 40%?
share
= pain point
= minor flow
Editors~ 80k / month
edit
tagged?
tagdiscuss
edited?
TOOLS
PAGES
log / new / search
New files* abc* def
Source: Wikimedia Foundation - CC-BY-SA
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Here are some of the major pain points in our media ecosystem:
• viewing experience doesn't match expectations
• contributions / upload tools need improvements
• file curation is scattered and doesn't scale well
• finding and adding files on articles is still hard
• campaign organizers need better tools
Key issues
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Here are product goals under consideration for fiscal year 2013-14:
• improve the viewing experience
• enable seamless contributions/uploads
• develop curation / feedback tools
• help editors find / add files on articles
• support campaign organizers
Goals
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What do you think of these goals?
Are we missing any key issues?
Write them down on Etherpad:epl.wikimedia.org/p/multimedia-roundtable-3
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Feature ideas
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Media viewer
File notifications
File feedback
Media finder
Campaign tools
Feature ideas
We are discussing these feature ideas with community and team members:
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Multimedia Map - View images (current)
Wikipedia Commons
Sparrow......
article file info
Spar.jpg
Goal: As a visitor, I want to view images in large size, to see them better and learn more.
visitor full size
CURRENT
Issues:• cluttered• no context• duplicate• no edits• external links
where am I ?
what's allthis stuff?
Issues:• no context• no links
• dead end
file info (original)
Spar.jpg
Issues:• confusing• cluttered• duplicate• external site
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Multimedia Map - Media Viewer (proposed)
Wikipedia Commons
Sparrow......
article media viewervisitor full size
PROPOSED
Features:• large image• on same page• simple icons• no clutter• clarity
I get itnow
I like the big picture !
Features:• image focus• immersive• go back
file info (original)
Spar.jpg
Features:• landing welcome• media viewer option• go back
Sparrow
• large image• on same page• simple icons• no clutter
Media Viewer
Solution: View large images on same page, with richer experience.
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Multimedia Map - Media Viewer (article view)
Purpose: View large images on same page, with richer experience.
Golden-crowned SparrowThe Golden-crowned Sparrow (Zonotrichia atricapilla) is a large
American sparrow found in the western part of North America.
Contents
1 Systematics
2 Description
2.1 Similar species
3 Distribution and habitat
4 Behavior
4.1 Feeding
Wikipedia
Main page
Contents
Featured content
Current events
Random article
Donate to Wikipedia
Wikimedia Sop
X
Zonotrichia atricapillSource: Alejandro Erickson via FlickrThe Golden-crowned Sparrow is a large American sparrow found in ... More
Media Viewer
‹ ›
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Multimedia Map - Media Viewer (first release)
Purpose: View large images on same page, with richer experience.
full screen closeinfo
X
titlesource/author
image size based on
screen size
Zonotrichia atricapillSource: Alejandro Erickson via Flickr
Media Viewertoolbar
‹ › arrows let yousee more imagesfor this article, gallery or category
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Multimedia Map - Media Viewer (info view)
Purpose: View large images on same page, with richer experience.
info (highlighted - click again to see image)
X
Zonotrichia atricapilla.jpgAuthor: Alejandro Erickson Source: Bird InstituteDate: 12 April, 2012, 15:10Format: JPEG, 4928 x 3264 px / 3.8 MbLicense: CC-BY-SA 2.0
Description: A Golden-crowned sparrow in British Columbia ... More >
Categories: Birds of British Columbia, Zonotrichia atricapilla ... More >
This file is hosted on Wikimedia CommonsView file info page >
Uploaded by Smallbones via Flickr
Media Viewer - File Infotoolbar
click on thumbnailto see the large image
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Media ViewerMOCKUP
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Purpose: • Provide a richer multimedia experience to match user expectations• Display images in larger size, on the same page as the thumbnail
Users: • All users, including 500M 'readers/viewers'
Features:• Show images in larger, media viewer panel when you click on them• Include a description and credit below the image, link to file page• Option to go to next image if it is part of a category or collection
Media Viewer
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File NotificationsSCREENSHOT
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Purpose: • Inform file creators when something happens to their files• Make contributors aware of what's happening on Commons
Users: • All Commons contributors or curators
Features:• File Upload Complete (for large files)• File Marked as Reviewed• File Tagged for Maintenance• File Marked for Deletion• File Rated/Featured• File Page was Edited
File Notifications
• File was Used in Article (requires cross-wiki)• File was Overwritten• File was Deleted• Congrats on your 1st upload
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SCREENSHOT
File Curation
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Purpose: • Curate new files to identify useful media for Wikipedia • Make it easier to tag files or nominate them for deletion
Users: • All Commons patrollers (and Wikipedia curators?)
Features:• A list where editors can preview files that need to be reviewed• A review tool that helps editors curate files more easily• Repackage existing tools in a better UI ('Nominate for deletion')
See also:• Image patrol notes
File Curation
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File Feedback (thumbs-up/down)
SCREENSHOT
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SCREENSHOT
File Feedback (comparison)
See demos:• Which is better?• Highest rated files
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Purpose: • Surface useful files, rated by quality
Users: • Commons or Wikipedia users
Features:• A quick rating tool to tag files that seem useful • Can be thumbs-up/down -- or compare 2 images• Sorting / filtering tools for ranking lists or galleries by rating
See also:• File feedback notes• Prototype notes
File Feedback
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SCREENSHOT
Insert Media Tool
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Purpose: • Make it easier to add multimedia on Wikipedia articles• Help find quality media files and place them quickly Users: • Any Wikipedia or Commons user
Features:• Expand the Visual Editor's 'Insert Media' tool• Support extended search by category, rating or review status• Easier to sort or filter recommended images in VE
Media Finder
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Purpose: • Invite more users to join campaigns (e.g. Wiki Loves Monuments)• Make it easy for campaign organizers to set up campaigns• Make it easy for users to participate in campaigns -- and stay engaged Users: • Any user with a camera/phone -- and campaign organizers
Features:• Tools for organizers to set up and customize campaigns• To-do lists with clear assignments for contributors to follow• Leaderboards and recent contributions to keep participants motivated
Campaign Tools
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Conclusions
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Which ideas seem most promising?
Write your notes on Etherpad:epl.wikimedia.org/p/multimedia-roundtable-3
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What prioritiesdo you recommend
for multimedia?
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How did this roundtable work for you?
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