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Maybe your Philosophy 101 textbook was dry as a bone and
your philosophy class (MWF 11 a.m.–12 p.m.) was a good
opportunity to doze. But don’t hold that against Simon
Critchley. Though he’s professor and chair of philosophy
at the New School for Social Research in New York, he’s not
like the prof you had. His latest book, The Book of Dead
Philosophers, unpacks three thousand years of philosophical
history by explaining how “190 or so” philosophers have kicked
off. And this, surprisingly, is a lively read—life affirming and
morbidly funny. — A N d R e A M i l l e R
Why a book on dead philosophers?
Philosophy began with a death. Socrates walked around Athens
asking questions no one had ever asked before. Difficult, univer-
sal questions about the nature of things: What is justice? Beauty?
Truth? People answered Socrates’ questions and he picked apart
their answers, but he didn’t provide answers himself, just a series
of perplexities. For that he was executed by the authorities. The
philosopher always has their eyes on death. Focused on questions
of finitude, he’s already in a sense half dead himself. To philoso-
phize is to learn how to die in the right way, at the right time. This
is what the philosophical tradition keeps coming back to.
is there such a thing as a good death?
I think so. Dignity is key. Most people now die in a drug-in-
duced state, and in some cases this interferes with dignity. In
the past, a lot of people died in pain, but that wasn’t necessarily
bad. A great example is Epicurus. He died in enormous pain, yet
he endured and died with tranquillity. This was essential to his
teaching: do not fear death.
These days, the overwhelming issue is not dying in pain,
not being a burden to anybody else. So there’s a sense that you
should drug people, pacify them. Yet there are people in the
modern age who have done other things—Freud, for instance.
He had twenty-seven operations for cancer of the mouth and
refused to take painkillers because, he said, he’d rather think in
pain than not think at all.
How else has the culture of death changed over time?
In the past, deaths were often group acts—
the dying were surrounded by friends. And
death was something that was meditated
on throughout life. It wasn’t something
one tried to run away from. Our cul-
ture denies death in a dramatic way,
particularly in the U.S., where most
people have never even seen a corpse. Looking at
the history of the philosophical death can get people to
look at the skull beneath the skin—to focus on the one certainty
in life, apart from taxes, which is that life ends.
Has any other society denied death to the extent we do?
Societies have denied death in different ways, but we’re so ex-
treme it’s difficult to think of a precedent. We shuffle dying off
as something that happens to other people, not to us. We see
death as obscene. The Victorians had difficulties with sex but
they had a powerful death culture and were very good at com-
memorating it. We’re the opposite. We can talk about sex until
we’re blue in the face but we cannot face death. We’re terrified
of it. This is strange in an overwhelmingly Christian culture,
because Christianity is a meditation on death. It’s about learn-
ing to die in a certain way. Longevity wasn’t something of much
value in early Christianity—a brief life was often a more worthy
life. The denial of death is the overwhelming desire for longevity
at all costs, and the gods people believe in are the gods of medi-
cal technology. I’m not against that but we should be thinking
about the issue more carefully.
What about the classical Chinese philosophy of death?
Confucianism was all about the right manners and the
right behavior, so the Confucians were obsessed with rituals
around death. Daoists rejected that, thinking death was a
passage from one state to another: We’re human beings, we
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become worm food, and then we might
become something else. Who knows?
The Daoist Chuang Tzu laughed and
banged on a tub after his wife died, say-
ing, “My wife has left me.” Then a friend
said, “How can you possibly laugh when
your wife is dead?” “We lived together,”
Chuang Tzu said. “We had children.
We had a wonderful time. now she has
transformed. Why should I be sad?”
The Confucians were appalled by this
because it seemed to show no respect
for the dead.
Tell me about Japanese death poems.
On the verge of death, Zen monks write
a haiku or short elegiac poem. They pro-
nounce it, and then set aside their ink
brush, cross their arms, straighten their
back, and die—often in the meditative
position. It’s pretty impressive [laughs].
An example of one of these poems is “the
joy of dew drops in the grass as they turn
back to vapor.” There’s a wonderful story
of a Zen Buddhist monk from the twelfth
century who preached to his disciples and
then sat in the Zen position and died.
When his followers complained he died
too quickly, he revived and harangued
them for a bit longer. Then he died five
days later. This was about controlling the
moment of his death.
Which philosopher’s death appeals to you
most?
I like Wittgenstein’s. He was diagnosed
with cancer a month or two before he
died and he treated the news with great
relief. He then moved in with his doctor
and struck up a firm friendship with his
doctor’s wife, Mrs. Bevan—going to the
pub with her every night. He died the
day after his birthday, but on his birth-
day Mrs. Bevan gave him an electric
blanket and she said, “Many happy re-
turns.” Then Wittgenstein said, “There
will be no return.” There’s something so-
ber and funny about that, which I think
is important. It’s important to maintain
a certain lightness toward death. To face
up to it and replace the terror with so-
ber humor.
You wrote another book called On Humor.
What’s the connection for you between
philosophy and comedy?
Philosophy asks you to look at the world
as if you were from another planet and
to question everything—the nature of
reality, the external world, other people.
That’s like comedy—great comedy, not the
dreary stand-up routines you usually see.
At their best, both comedians and philoso-
phers shake out your prejudices. jokes can
liberate and elevate us and even change the
situation we find ourselves in.
We fear our own deaths, but there’s also the
problem of dealing with the deaths of loved
ones. How do philosophers help us work
with that?
Badly. The question of death was re-
ally posed for me through the death of
my father and friends. But the philoso-
pher’s death is about my death and me
dying calmly, with dignity. This doesn’t
get at the difficulty of our response to
the death of those we love. That’s why in
The Book of dead Philosophers I spend
the time on early Christian philoso-
phers—they had the best sense of grief.
now I’m working on a book about the
nature of love, particularly the nature
of mystical love. Philosophy has a lot of
wisdom about what the world means,
and that’s fantastic, but it doesn’t have
a rich enough vocabulary for the ques-
tion of love. ♦
The Victorians had difficulties with sex, but they had a powerful death culture and were very good at commemorating it. We’re the opposite. We can talk about sex until we’re blue in the face, but we cannot face death.