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Existe Dios?Existe Dios?

Debate: Matt SlickDebate: Matt Slickvsvs

EddieEddie TabashTabash

www.carm.orgwww.carm.org

Copyright Matt SlickCopyright Matt Slick


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Dos Tipos de InfinitosDos Tipos de Infinitos

Infinito Real

e

Infinito Potencial


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Infinito RealInfinito Real Un

Inf

in

ito Real es un

a totalidad atemporal quen

oaumenta ni disminuye con el numero de miembros quecontiene.

Ejemplo: El numero de puntos de una linea es un infinito real; noexiste unnumero exacto, numero finito.

Problemas con los infinitos reales:

Consideremos una larga linea de de dominos en el universo. Sisacamos la mitad de esa linea, aun tendremos unnumero infinito.Pero, la mitad del infinito original contiene el mismo numero dedominos que el infinito original. Esto significara que la mitad de latotalidad es igual a la totalidad. Esto no puede ser.

Un reloj infinitamente viejo. El horario hace un recorido del reloj 2veces al dia. El minutero 24 veces por dia. Pero, una cantidadinfinita de tiempo resulta en que tanto el munitero como el horariohan tenido unnumero de rotaciones iguales aunque el minuterotiene 12 veces mas rotaciones que el horario. Esto no puede ser.

Por lo tanto los infinitos reales no existen.


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Cada adicion resulta en un set finito mas largo. Un

infinito potencial se compone de una cantidad finita

que incrementa su numero en el tiempo al agregar

miembros. Ejemplo: Al dividir una linea a la mitad, y luego a la mitad,

y a la mitad nuevamente resulta en una cantidad finita de

divisiones. Es posible continuar haciendo esto, aunque en

cada division

, un

n

umerofin

ito de division

es aun

exista.

Infinito PotencialInfinito Potencial

1/2 1/2 1/2 1/2

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No es posible atravesar un infinitoNo es posible atravesar un infinito

real, 1real, 1 Imaginemos una linea de dominos infinita y

atemporal.

Al atravesar por la linea de dominos, para llegar a

cualquier domino en particular es necesarioatravesar unnumero infinito de ellos para llegar a

cualquier domino.

Pero unnumero infinito de dominos no

pueden ser atravesados, de otra forma

no sera infinito. Es asi, que no podemos

tener un infinito real de dominos.


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No podemos cruzar un Infinito Real, 2No podemos cruzar un Infinito Real, 2

De igual manera, si cada domino representa un segundoy cada domino cayese uno tras otro, representando

sucesivos momentos en el tiempo, la linea de dominos

no podra ser infinita desde el pasado porque

No podra haber existido un primer domino

cayendo. Si no hay primero, no puede haber

segundo, ni tercero, ni los siguientes.

Por lo tan

to, un

inf

in

ito real(unnumero infinito y atemporal)

de sucesivos eventos en el

pasado es imposible.


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Summary Regarding ActualSummary Regarding Actual

InfiniteInfinite An actual infinite ofsuccessive events in the past is

logically impossible because

It would require traversing an infinite number

ofevents which cannot be done.

There would be no first event. Ifthere is

no first event, there cannot be a second, or a third,

and no following series ofevents.

Therefore, there must be a

beginning ofevents.


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Cosmological Argument for GodsCosmological Argument for Gods

ExistenceExistence The universe exists

There are only two optionsavailable to account for theUniverse: It had a beginning or

it did not have a beginning. Ifthe universe had no beginning,

then it is either Eternally Static orEternally non-Static (Oscillating)

Ifthe universe had a beginning, then something brought

the universe into existence. There are only two options available to account for the

cause ofthe existence ofthe universe

First Option: Impersonal Cause ofthe universe

Second Option: Personal Cause ofthe universe.


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Only two options available toOnly two options available to

account for the Universeaccount for the Universe

The Universe had a beginning

or it had no beginning.

Beginning and no beginning is

an antonymic pair.

Antonyms are opposites. Beginning and no

beginning means there is no third option.Therefore, it is not a false dichotomy since no other

options are possible.


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If the universe had no beginning,If the universe had no beginning,

then it is either Eternally Static orthen it is either Eternally Static or

Eternally nonEternally non--Static (Oscillating)Static (Oscillating)


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Eternally Static Universe: TheEternally Static Universe: The

universe has always existed.universe has always existed. This does not agree with Cosmic Microwave

Background Radiation (CMBR) which shows the

universe had a beginning.

The universe always existing would be impossible

since it would mean the universe had an infinite

number ofsuccessive events (atoms moving, stars

forming, etc.), before we got to now. But this is

impossible as we have seen above.

Conclusion: The universe is not infinitely old. It had a

beginning.


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Eternally non Static,Eternally non Static,

or Oscillating Universeor Oscillating Universe The universe forms, collapses, forms, collapses, forever

This does not agree with the 2nd law ofthermodynamics. The

universe, as a whole, is a closed system. There is no known

mechanism for a 100% efficient exchange ofenergy information and reformation.

An eternally oscillating universe would require an infinite

number ofoscillations but this is impossible since it would

mean

the un

iverse had an

inf

in

iten

umber of

successiveevents.

Conclusion: The universe had a beginning and could not have

been eternally oscillating.


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If the universe had a beginning,If the universe had a beginning,

then something brought thethen something brought the

universe into existence.universe into existence.


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There are only two options toThere are only two options to

account for the cause of theaccount for the cause of theexistence of the universe:existence of the universe:


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FirstFirstOptionOption: ImpersonalImpersonal CauseCause ofof

thethe UniverseUniverse

Only two possible options

First Option: The universe brought itselfinto existence

Second Option: The universe was caused

to exist

(Either it caused itself to exist or was caused to exist)


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Impersonal Cause, First option: theImpersonal Cause, First option: the

universe brought itself into existenceuniverse brought itself into existence

This is not possible because in order for an

action to occur, something has to cause the

action

. A cause is itself

an

action

. An

action

results from something that exists prior to it.

But ifsomething has no existence (nothing),

then it has no prior existence, no properties, no

abilities, and cannot perform any actions.Therefore, nothing comes from

nothing and the universe did not

bring itself into existence.


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Impersonal Cause, Second option:Impersonal Cause, Second option:

The universe was caused to exist byThe universe was caused to exist by

an impersonal means.an impersonal means. Whatever caused the universe to exist,

existed prior to the universe.

This existence was ontologically prior (essence/nature),not temporally prior to the universe.

In Mr. Tabashs debate with Phil Fernandez he said at 54:44, We

cant even speak of a cause [of the universe] because there was no time

and space for sequential causation to play out before the big bangoccurred.

Two things to note here:

Mr. Tabash denies temporality before the universe.

Mr. Tabash, by his own admission, cannot offer us a cause of

the universe.


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An impersonal, ontologically priorAn impersonal, ontologically prior

cause either existed in a timeless andcause either existed in a timeless and

changeless state or it did not.changeless state or it did not.

Quentin Smith (an atheist), Professor ofPhilosophy who

is listed under Suggested Links on Eddie Tabashs site

(tabash.com) said, that the cause ofspacetime existstimelessly.

Timeless, Changeless state: An impersonal, ontologically

prior cause existing in a timeless and changeless state

cannot perform an action since it cant suddenly decideto do anything. It just is.

Conclusion: an impersonal, timeless, ontological prior

cause could not have brought the universe into existence.


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NonNon--Timeless, Changing StateTimeless, Changing State

Ifthe impersonal, ontologically prior cause existed innon-

timeless and non-changeless state then whatever caused it to

change is a prior cause which would be a cause external to

itself.

We then must ask what caused that prior cause, and the causebefore that, etc. This would mean that no matter how far back

we go, we would never find the first event. With no first event,

there can be no second, no third, etc., and nothing would ever

happen.

Remember: an infinite regression ofprior causes would mean

there is an infinite regression ofuncaused causes which would

have to be traversed before we found the cause ofthe

universe, but this is impossible since an actual infinite of

successive events in the past is logically impossible.


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Conclusion regarding anConclusion regarding an

Impersonal Cause of the UniverseImpersonal Cause of the Universe Neither the Impersonal-Timeless-Changeless-State or

the Impersonal-Non-Timeless-Non-Changeless-State

can account for the beginning ofthe universe.


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Two options

When we have only two options to account for

something (impersonal and personal) and one of

them is negated, then by default the other is

validated. Since the Impersonal Cause cannotaccount for the beginning ofthe universe, the

only option left is the Personal Cause.

That Personal Cause is God.

IMPERSONAL

CAUSE

PERSONAL

CAUSE


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Second Option:

Personal Cause ofthe Universe

There are only two options to account for a Personal

Being to Act to create the universe: External and

Internal Cause.

An External Cause would only brings the issue ofcausation back to its prior cause, and its cause, for

infinity, which cannot happen since we cannot have an

infinite regression ofcauses.

AnInternal Cause in a Personal Being would be self

determined, a Decision to Act.

Therefore, the Personal Cause ofthe Universe made a

decision to act and created the universe.

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